I told myself I wasn't going to purchase another cheap airgun, but then I saw a review and thought wow that's a pretty decent air rifle. I am glad I didn't order one now.
As long people are buying this crap it will be produced. This is why reviews like this are so important, because a lot of guys can spend there money only once on an air rifle. Cheers!
@@DanaKing-uf6oy I watched that video several times since it was released and was hopeful that Umarex corrected the issues over the older model. OTSA’s was a .22 cal and this is a .177. There shouldn’t be a QC difference but who knows?
Your scope has migrated aft and is touching your rail. Mine did the same first time out. The last pellet in will fall out of the magazine upside down. It loads as you initially cock it and makes a distinct sound. Mine while cocking on the return move hung up 3-4 times. Not sure why yet but moving the magazine slightly freed it up. I have the .22 and have several clusters of shots in a 2 “ window at 20 yards. I have around 150 of RWS 14.4 g super dome through it. It was .22 long rifle sounds out of it initially but settled down. I did replace the scope rings with some higher quality ones just because I had them. All in all I am pleased with mine. I view the plastic stock as utility strength I don’t have to worry about getting nicked up. I like your channel and have watched a few. Regards from Texas,
@@swift10falcon Thanks for the comment and info. 👍 When I was editing the video I saw that too. The angle of the camera makes it look like the scope is touching. This reminded me to check it and I just looked and it is not touching. There is still a 1/2” of clearance. I’ve learned to listen for that click sound as the mag gets hung up from time to time. Today I shot it briefly at lunch and discovered the magazine lost most of its tension and wouldn’t self advance the last 5 rounds or so. I just finished taking it apart and reindexing the spring. Ridiculous! I wonder if the accuracy you got is all this gun is capable of? I didn’t think the groups OTSA showed were very good for a fixed barrel gun at 20 yds. I’ve got a hypothesis on why that is and hopefully can test it out tomorrow. If it turns out to be true I’ll send the gun back as the design is inherently flawed and will never be accurate. At least as accurate as I expect it should be at 20 yds. I’m not expecting the moon or stars but I’ve got numerous $60 dollars guns that are far more accurate than this gun has displayed so far. I just was expecting better accuracy for $150 with the fixed barrel configuration. I’ll keep testing and hopefully things will improve. Thanks for checking out my channel! 😀
I have been shooting airguns since the early 70s and always cleaned the barrel of a new one and then only cleaned whenever accuracy fell off (usually a tin or two of pellets).
Idea: switch scopes. I bought a Gamo breakbarrel several years ago. Reviewers got good results shooting it but mine spread pellets on the target just like you are getting shooting your Synergis. I blamed myself. I shot it some over the next three years but I did not like the gun. Long story short, as a last resort I switch the scope to a Hawke scope rated for breakbarrel rifles. Low-and-behold! It holds groups at twenty yards. Always clean the barrel first. It doesn't matter what new shooters do, only a clean barrel gives a realistic test of the gun.
Surprised how underwhelming this new acquisition has been for you given the stellar review by Riddick of over the shelf air guns of this same rifle. I would return to return to Amazon based on the inaccuracy results. This is apparently one of those hit or miss propositions
No off the shelf air guns. He said his was the 22 version..not the .177. But I'm glad he made this video because I was thinking about buying this 177 cal and then the 22 version if this one was any good..probably not now though 😅 maybe he will work on this one and figure out what's the problem with it..
@@greg4161 OTSA’s review looked really promising and I took the chance. I wasn’t impressed with the accuracy he showed but figured some higher quality pellets would provide better results. Perhaps I will find something that works but honestly my heart isn’t in trouble shooting yet another non performing airgun. Its could be as simple as slip shot QC from China on these guns. Some may be good and others no so.
@@airgunsofalaska yeah I can relate to one of these sub $150 rifles, in my case a crosman f4. I took the chance with the purchase based on several promising reviews relative to quality and accuracy. My example however couldn't hit the side of a barn and subsequently discovered had bad barrel
@@greg4161Now that I took a break from this gun I’m interested in doing more investigating but forefront in my mind is that there may be a manufacturing issue causing the problem.
@ I’ve been reading your comments since this gun came out and they are pretty over the top. Are you an employee of Umarex or work in some manner associated with selling this gun? I apologize for sounding accusatory but you promote this gun like you earn commission on it.
@@WalnutandSteel It could be? The reticle was staying still on the target at 20 yds when I moved my head from side to side. But it’s worth looking more closely into. I should probably try a different scope just to eliminate possible problems. Unfortunately I don’t have a ton of enthusiasm to troubleshoot yet another airgun but I likely will anyway. I should change my channel name to Airgun Troubleshooting of Alaska. It seems like 1/2 the new guns I buy have some kind of issue.
It kind of frustrates me that these companies are still packing in these 100 yd paralax scopes when there are awesome and very inexpensive AO scopes available now.
I didn't know Umarex sold an underlever repeater. I also thought the box looked like a Gamo box. I thought it was a Gamo when I saw the thumbnail. I use to want a Umarex Storm but Crosman came out out with their auto bb stuff and my younger brother got me one.
@@jackpotparty58 I waited for a month hoping to see some other reviews but none seemed to come out. Perhaps that’s due to most people being skeptical that it is any good? While I’ve had really good experiences with Umarex CO2 bb pistols, this rifle isn’t in the same league.
Watched twice and I'm feeling bad about how underwhelming it is. 😅 Everything looks so grim in the budget airgun side of the spectrum. I'm definitely going to have build my next one, as mentioned. I just hope Crosman still sells parts. 😮
@ It seems like there’s a better chance of getting a mediocre gun under $150-$200 than a good one. It seems like there’s quality of airguns continues to decline. I didn’t have any luck getting the parts I needed from Crosman last month. Everything I needed was not in stock or no longer available. Hopefully you’ll have better luck. 👍
@@airgunsofalaska Wow really? Thanks for letting me know. I hope they aren't out of 362 pump tubes. I was planning on getting two. One for my next current build and another for a future shorter 66 sized build. (I'll call it a 3662. Lol Get it?) I need to get on it and call them.
@ hopefully they have the parts you need. I came away from my call thinking they were selling what they had on hand in the New York factory and once they was gone we were shit outta luck. Not that they said anything like that or were rude, just that they didn’t say it could be back ordered or call back in a few weeks. I’m very pessimistic about future parts availability from Crosman on their guns based upon what I’ve read about Gamo. Guys have written that Gamo does sell spare parts.
I got the 22 from tractor supply. I was also underwhelmed with the accuracy... Since the purpose of an underlever is better accuracy. I have found that the accuracy is better with sticking the pellet in the barrel and then popping the magazine back on top with nothing in it. It is a really tight fit jamming a pellet in that tiny slot but it is better than pellets hitting all over the place. Basically defeats the purpose of the magazine by adding it that way but I finally got some consistency. I have found the the jsb jumbo monster 25.39 grain gets decent groups by single loading. Plus you need more of a long, cylindrical pellet to slide it in that way easily. The JTS dead center 25.39 grain also is very good but has a few more flyers. So it won't load quickly but it does really pack a punch with those heavy pellets. Also it's quieter inserting the pellets in the barrel and popping the mag back on (empty)... Not sure why it's quieter but it is a little. I have accidentally dry fired this gun and it sounds like a 22! I would like to see a chrono on this gun because it has way more power than the other air guns I own. So, if i could buy a single loader mag that would align perfectly I think it would be decent gun. My conclusion is that most of the inaccuracy comes from that darn mag... Durable steel but doesn't align well with advancing round. Anyways thank you for the review!
@@JohnTripp-d3x I had a lot of difficulty loading pellets by hand and not having them get slightly cockeyed in the breech while doing it. It isn’t practical to load the gun that way and defeats the whole concept of a repeater. I already sent my gun back for a refund. I’m a little miffed that OTSA gave it such a glowing review as that’s what pushed me over the edge to buy it. While it could be the QC is so bad on these guns that he got a good one out of luck and mine was a piece of trash or maybe the .22 is more accurate than the .177? In any case I’m more mad at myself for buying the dumb thing as OTSA’s groups weren’t very good and when you measure a group using your thumb… well, I should have taken that as a red flag. The splatter burst targets he uses also make groups look tighter than they are. They show up great of video but aren’t good for showing precision.
Wise to return it! I also thought the review was promising but I am after accuracy not so much for plinking steel. For that it would be great because it would load fast and the under lever action is fun. I decided to "pull the trigger" on it as well. Partially from that review and because I wanted an underlever. I should have waited longer because your review would have made me change my mind. Tractor supply said no returns on air rifles. Anyways at least it hits hard. I also agree that standard diabolo pellets don't fit well when loading them in the breech but it did improve accuracy. The more expensive/barrel shaped monsters slide in ok. Albeit not as easy as a break barrel and not as accurate :-) So it's basically a dud. I may try that other Chinese under level down the road
@@JohnTripp-d3x Dang! Thats a bummer Tractor Supply wouldn’t take a return. I suspect Umarex’s warranty is garbage and not even worth pursuing. Had I been able to see how the magazine interfaced with the breech and air port I wouldn’t even have considered ordering it. My gut knew better than I did! I was so close to cancelling the 2nd order I’d placed when it was just sitting there for days waiting to ship. That was a sign I didn’t need it. 🤦♂️ It’s too bad it wasn’t like a gen 1 Gamo swarm break barrel where you can remove the autoloading mechanism. I’d have been more inclined to keep it had it offered that option. But at the end of the day I can’t say I’ve even missed it a little bit.
If you return it you may want to check out the barra 1200g break barrel that comes with the .177 and .22 barrels for about $150 .Check out the video by Air gun Detectives .
No, it’s weird, it fires the pellets straight through the magazine like a revolver. Now that I’m thinking about it… yikes! That might be a fatal flaw with this design. If the mag doesn’t index and line up perfectly with the barrel it’ll never be accurate. I’ll try the other magazine and see what happens. Dang. Now that you got me thinking about how this gun functions, I don’t think I want to keep it. It’ll eventually wear and get out of alignment with use over time.
@airgunsofalaska yeah.. set up like that, it's a plinker. The tr5 side lever pushes the pellet, and the mag is a straight clip. It's all out of stock in canada unfortunately.
I agree 100% that you shouldn't have to "re-engineer" an airgun that is brand new to shoot as it should. I have some old airguns with leather seals, bare steel and wood that shoot lights out compared to some recent ones that I have bought for my grandkids. Just crappy quality control and care.
I’d have to sit down and think but dang, my experience with getting poorly performing brand new guns in the under $275 price range has been pretty bad. It seems like I’ve received more bad ones than good.
I cleaned the barrel last night and was surprised it looked no different after cleaning than it did before. I’ve not yet shot it since cleaning but I pulled some pretty nasty looking, black greasy patches out while cleaning.
@ I was thinking about it 1000 fps can be inaccurate can you try a heavier pellet I don’t like the fact that it shoots out of the mag They should have left a single shot
With the mag having 2 layers the aluminum one will expand/contract faster than the steel one with temp changes, might be enough to make it stick in cold. Speaking of which you can get metal mags for your Dragonfly at Krale I need to get some of those. That is a bummer with the accuracy I was wondering if OTSA just got a particularly bad one, glad you can get out this deal easy👍
I really like the magazine. It’s actually my favorite aspect of the gun. I’ve not yet used the magazine in my Dragonfly. Hopefully it’s just something simple like a faulty scope causing my accuracy issues.
Hello again. I m with you on how many project guns do we want? Still sorting the 362. Bolt just wont come back sometimes. But, did buy a Not Chinese break barrel (NOt Gamo either) and it is a peach. Stuffed the stock with felt to cut down noise, didnt need any de burring inside, nice spring, not a bendy Gamo forced in there, Its not blued so will se how that goes, but all steel lock up and breech, and barrel hinge pin threaded at the end so it will tighten. So far so good. Called the Bravo Elite here in Europe and says its made here. Trigger is metala nd looks like the old Gamo triggers, fine with that.Just googled it and isays 140 US Dollars delivered witha bag, 4x cheap but usable scope and pellets(probably not usable, not tried yet. ) So they do exist the decent ones. All the best Keith
Totally agree! It’d be one thing if I was buying these second hand off eBay or something but for brand new it’s disappointing. Sometimes I really like the gun and love the way it feels, shoots, looks and am wanting to go the extra mile to make it work. This gun has none of those qualities for me. I’m regretting the purchase already.
@@airgunsofalaska Thats hard. Maybe put iti on one side and see if you feel like sorting it later.? I have a couple like that already. Good to be so open and homest about it . Keith
@ That’s what I’d like to do but I’d be better off determining the problem now so I can send it back for a refund. My gut had me cancel my order the first time and was telling me to cancel the second time. I’m thinking I should have listened to my gut.
Could be a mag upgraded GAMO CFX...🤭 Even the box looks GAMO, i got already information stress just by looking at it 😅 150 bucks is a lot of money for Chinese tupperware... SEND IT BACK and buy pellets and paper targets instead. Cheers Buddy!
@@rapalaron6348 Right!? I like the concept of repeating under lever but there is nothing else redeeming about this gun. It feels cheap. Looks cheap. And the accuracy I’ve seen so far is on par with a smooth bore BB gun. I did clean the barrel tonight and pulled through quite a few very dirty, black, greasy looking patches. The barrel looked exactly the same as before when looking down it with a light reflecting off white paper at the breech. I’ll give it another test with the cleaned barrel but if accuracy does improve I’m returning it. I at least liked how the CFX looked and felt. This just feels like another cheap looking, plastic covered, generic airgun.
@@vancethennis3868 I ordered it from the JTS website. It wasn’t featured prominently, it actually popped up in a Google search. jtsstore.com/product/arxs46ua-xisico-xs46u-underlever-air-rifle
@@kevanhubbard9673 I was watching the tracking number and the clowns at the store sat on it for over a week before they finally shipped it. It was a third party vendor on Amazon and they took their sweet time. I’m planning to give them a negative review as it shouldn’t take over a week to give the package to the UPS driver.
Yeah, I don’t consider $150 to be a “cheap” airgun. I expect more for my money at this price range. I’ll do some more testing and troubleshooting to see if I can improve accuracy.
I have one of those I ordered mine right off of the Umarex website I got mine right after off the shelf air gun mine is also in 177 I'm about ready to send it back to Umarex cuz there is no way it would ever qualify in the can bottom challenge it is very inaccurate and loud
I had the impact Max Elite that shit fell apart after about 5 600 shots as in the screws busted off inside of the gun. All three of the mounting screws not to mention the trigger is so hard to pull and chief plastic hurt your finger
I have one too, it doesn’t like to be on the bag im using jsb 18 grains, took 300 pellets to break in, shot a quarter size group at 40 off hand. I hold it artillary 3 inches behind front stock bolts
The point is don’t give up on it, try different hikes, I agree with your other video the magazine will be the cause of the inaccuracy because it’s not loading the pellet into the breech just firing it from the mag. Mine is 22 m. And I’m using jsb 18grains
Not hikes holds. I shoot breakers mostly off hand as I never get accuracy when resting it. I may shoot offhand more than the average person so I don’t know maybe that is why but I’m not trying to brag trust me I’m a terrible shot at most things but Ive hunted with a breaker off hand more than anything else in my life. It’s all I know. I don’t upload videos but maybe I’ll make one just for you to see. I didn’t think that was that special.
@ a 3622 is also over 300$ here . Also pass on that one . I wanted it but it’s to expensive for what you get . I will wait for the umarex iconix that’s 60$ cheaper and with a gauge !
@@arkansasboy45 For squirrels a break barrel repeater from Gamo would be a good buy. I ordered my remanufactured Gamo Swarm Hornet in .22 right off their website and it cost around $100 shipped. It’s been extremely accurate, functions flawlessly and has plenty of power for squirrels. It also came with a cheap scope that works just fine out to 20 yds for squirrels. I keep my stored with a loaded magazine so I can grab it and be ready to go with 10 shots. It’s head and shoulders better than this Umarex Synergis Elite.
Wow! that air gun must be related to the Gamo CFX seems it shoots just as bad! I almost pulled the trigger on one of these after seeing off the shelf air guns video but wanted to see a few more review and now I am sure glad I waited and watched your video. And ya it sucks spending so much time trying to get a gun to shoot well it is very frustrating I did that with that with the CFX nad after all that drama with that gun I decided I would not waste that much time on any air gun again. If I was you I would send it back for sure get your money back my friend there are much better air guns out there save up and maybe guve a cometa a try,
@@BravoBassin I sent it back for a full refund weeks ago. I was kind of irritated about how shitty it was because OTSA’s video was enough to nudge me over to ordering it. I actually cancelled the first order as it was taking too long to ship. Then I reordered it and almost cancelled a second time as I kept getting a gut feeling it would suck. I should’ve listened to my gut. 🤣 Plus there was some guy commenting on my channel about this gun and how awesome and amazing it was. I later saw he was also commenting on OTSA’s channel, hyping it up and making bullshit posts about how great his gun was. He was a shill. He went away after I called him out. It’s good you didn’t order one. It’s an overpriced piece of garbage that’ll eventually wear out the breech and shoot like absolute crap. The CFX is a much better made gun in this price range of underlevers.
@@airgunsofalaska Qwll glad you sent it back my friend hate to see you waste your time with a crappy gun. That Norica you got seems to be doing well for you so far. I was poking around the budget guns for the past few days seeing if there were any good sales on one that I might want to try but in the end I talked myself out of buying any. I think I will just keep saving up to buy another weihrauch but I am going to puy a Cometa from Keystone air guns and give one of those a try soon either the 300 or 400 both are around $300 so not terrible in price. I have watched several videos on them and talked to several peopel about them as well even the guys over in the UK seem to like them. Anyway keep the videso coming my friend always enjoy your videos.
@ I’ve read/watched many good things about the Cometa guns. I don’t really have a need for another springer break barrel so I’ve not considered buying one. My one reservation is they seem a bit crudely finished for what they cost. I’d watch your review if you end up getting one. 👍
@@airgunsofalaska Ya I am a big fan of springers as you know so I will be getting one soon. I do wish they would make some nicer and more multi pump air rifles though you know made out of all metal and wood or metal and a nice composit stock. I would pay more for a higher end multi pump. I thought the ceosman anniversary was going to be that gun but as I said I was disapointed in that gun. Kije re make the crosman 760 in all metal and wood. or bring back the sheridan in all wood and metal stuff like that would be great. And make a better budget under lever which would be nice as well.
is that another chinesium airgun? you should try the hatsan factor sniper long,that rifle is crazy and is accurate as hell....bro stay away from the chinesium airguns,do you remember what almost happen to my friend?
@@MaverickShooter9 yes 👍 it’s another Chinesium gun that so far is living up to all the poor quality stereotypes. Sometimes I find gems in this price range that were made in China but I need to go back and count, I think most of the time I’ve ended up with guns that are not desirable. This is a gas ram gun so I’m not concerned about it exploding like a poorly built PCP. I‘m not sure if the Hatsan you mentioned uses the sliding barrel configuration but I specifically avoided that style of gun because I didn’t think a movable barrel was a good idea. I’ve also not had great experiences with Hatsan products so they are not a brand I ever look at anymore.
I cleaned the barrel last night and the patches were covered with black, greasy muck. But the barrel looked no different before and after cleaning. I’ve not yet shot it to see if it is improved.
@@rquest3059 not at all impressive. I don’t think I have the desire, interest or patience to figure out what’s wrong with it or test dozens of pellets hoping to find something it likes. Perhaps this will be my final foray into new production, Chinese made guns. A guy is much better off but a quality German gun like you have.
Wow ? You saved me some money , thought about getting the 22 , but now um nah . It seems Gamo has the best mag system and no I'm not sponsored by Gamo to say that . Just my experience and my opinion . Cant say I'm a fan of anything Umarex nor do I own one . They source out some of there airguns and put the Umarex name on it . Remember the Hatsan Proxima ? Wood stock underlever mag fed around 500.00 and some change . Offered in three calibers . A lot of negative reviews on that one .
@@joedokes8641 That’s good to hear. 👍 I’m going to test it some more but I don’t have a lot of faith things are going to improve. I called out this guns biggest fan in the comments and David Hamlin has not responded. I think we had a Umarex employee shilling for the gun in both OTSA’s and in my comments. I’ve never seen any gun owner write things so over the top about any gun and then do it over and over and over. 😂🤣 Pathetic! I’m not familiar with the Proxima but anything put out by Hatsan immediately makes me skeptical. This Synergis Elite doesn’t have the same level of quality that my 10+ year old, made in Taiwan, Umarex CO2 pistols possess.
@@dannyarmata8878 I’m not familiar with Umarex aside from owning a few old CO2 pistols that have been excellent. My impression is Umarex sells rebranded guns under its name or has agreement to sell certain models exclusively and those are made by different companies. I don’t know who Crosman uses to manufacture its Chinese MagFire guns but this Umarex reminds me a lot of my MagFire in the way it looks and has been constructed.
@@ryansumners3153 I’m going to do the simple things first and if that doesn’t work I’ll try testing my new hypothesis on what the issue is. If that proves to be true the gun and design is fatally flawed but it’s way too early to think that…. yet.
It’s really irritating how bad airguns have gotten. It seems like half the new airguns I buy that cost under $275 are inaccurate junk. This one will be returned if a barrel cleaning and scope swap don’t improve accuracy.
@ My Umarex Emerge .177 Break Barrel took a dump and blew out a seal after only 25 shots…returned for a full refund. Make Airguns Great Again in the USA 🇺🇸.
Wow what a disappointment! It seems these Chinese underlevers all have poor quality control. Only 2 things I would try and then send it back. One is to scrub/clean that barrel very well. 2) Swap that scope off. It reminds me of the crap scope I got included with my Gamo Bone Collector 2. It jumped around like that. After a tin of pellets and being very frustrated, I put my known good scope from my Benjamin Trail. I put it on my B. C. and bingo. That was the problem. I got a bad scope out of the box that couldn't handle the recoil. Gamo replaced the scope but I had to pay the $25 shipping, sucks. I put a BSA Outlook on it and the B.C. is now very accurate!
@@airgunsofalaska Cool Brother make sure you check all the stock screws are tight and stay tight too! I guess the JTS Artisan wood stocked 10x Stonewolf underlever is not on your list? It is an upgraded Xisico XS46U but with a gas ram! LOL
@ When I checked them last night all three screws were snug. When I cinched them down even more the cheap plastic stock started showing white stress marks. I don’t see myself buying the Stonewolf. No matter how many times I tell myself “no more China made airguns” I end up buying something and usually regretting it after I shoot it. The Xisico was definitely one of the rare wins. I think my Dragonfly Mk1 may be a win as well but only after chamfering the breech.
@@airgunsofalaska I get it. I have 2 air gun paper weights and 2 more that are only good for plinking. It looks like the accurate nice shooting underlevers are not available in the budget price range! All we want is the underlever air gun to have power to be a small game hunter to about 40 yards and more accurate than a break barrel.
I see myself giving this a few more shooting sessions before boxing it up and returning it. That’s pretty bad… usually I have more patience and am more enthused about trying to figure out the issue. I took 15 shots with it at lunch on the newly cleaned barrel and the groups were still total garbage. One magazine has already diminished in spring tension and no longer advances properly. I think that can be corrected my reinfecting and preloading the spring. But really? Not even 24 hours of ownership and I’m already working on it!? Not impressed.
I've had a lot of disappointment with umarex. I've wasted too much money on their products. Its a shame because the do have some nice looking replicas. That being said the only umarex airgun that still shoots is my saa colt pellet.
Well, honestly, their Notos is really great, but I feel like their break barrels I’d just stay away from. Their Umarex Emerge that my friend Travis from Oh Shoot sent me shoots okay, but it’s a $200 gun, and I really think it’s dookie.
@@gboutdoors5198It appears that Umarex sources guns from different manufacturers in different countries. I’m thinking some are good and some not so good.
If I saw someone in Walmart looking at BB guns for their kid, I'd say, 'Man, don't get those stupid budget break barrels! They have recoil, they are hold-sensitive, and they are inaccurate. So I'd say get a Daisy 880, or like a Crosman 760 or Crosman 2100. I think budget break barrels are gimmicks, but idk; there are some gems out there, but honestly, they are never sold in Walmart.
They’d be better off with either one of those pneumatics. I have had really good luck with my Gamo Swarm Hornet but from the comments I read about Gamo, they seem to have QC issues as well.
@ I don’t generally bother with Chinese made break barrel airguns. I took a gamble on my Daisy 1101S based upon lots of favorable reviews and comments from viewers and I’ve been really pleased with it aside from the atrocious trigger. I was kind of thinking a fixed barrel underlever would be a safer bet with questionable Chinese QC but… perhaps not with this one.
@@airgunsofalaska Yeah, I mean they always find a way to mess something up. I heard that sometimes, for cheaper costs, they do not follow the building plans of the company and use cheaper materials without telling the company. Maybe thats why its hit or miss 🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷
@@gboutdoors5198 I’ve read those exact same things. It appears it all depends upon the company who is farming the work out to them. If the company doesn’t pay attention the quality suffers. I’m getting really tired of the crap shoot Chinese made guns can be. I think I need to go back to avoiding them.
@@maniacalmonster2293 UA-cam starts monetizing channels when they hit 1000 subscribers and receive a certain amount of viewer time. It’s a really cool system. You get money directly from UA-cam. You don’t need to beg for sponsors or shill products unless that’s what the person wants to do. Whatever money or product that comes from that arrangement is separate from UA-cam.
@ it all depends on how many views a video gets and length of time people watch the video. They also don’t pay out immediately when you hit 1000 subscribers. They wait until you get over $100 before sending you any money. That might take a couple months depending upon how popular your channel is. Basically you aren’t going to make enough to quit your day job. 😄 But it does provide some fun money for just doing what you like.
I told myself I wasn't going to purchase another cheap airgun, but then I saw a review and thought wow that's a pretty decent air rifle. I am glad I didn't order one now.
As long people are buying this crap it will be produced. This is why reviews like this are so important, because a lot of guys can spend there money only once on an air rifle. Cheers!
I got a Notos recently and let me tell you, that lil guy is great
@@cesarvarela5438 I’ve read and watched many good things about the Notos.
Hi buddy..i have to say that i would not buy that rifle but that said we all have thank you for taking the time and money to point out the potholes..
Ha ha, I’m like a public service announcement. 🤣😂 Hopefully it’s something simple causing the problem like the scope is messed up?
Our airgun wingman
@@HenkBuchel Ha ha!
Off the shelf air guns did a video on your new one ,he actually praised it over the older version
@@DanaKing-uf6oy I watched that video several times since it was released and was hopeful that Umarex corrected the issues over the older model. OTSA’s was a .22 cal and this is a .177. There shouldn’t be a QC difference but who knows?
@davehimlin2374 so far I’m not at all impressed with it. The magazine I used in the video quit working today. Awesome.
@ Wow ,are you thinking about sending it back or reviewing it some more?
Awesome video
Thanks!
what a nice shotgun you got right there
Ha ha! 😂 Right!?
Your scope has migrated aft and is touching your rail. Mine did the same first time out. The last pellet in will fall out of the magazine upside down. It loads as you initially cock it and makes a distinct sound. Mine while cocking on the return move hung up 3-4 times. Not sure why yet but moving the magazine slightly freed it up. I have the .22 and have several clusters of shots in a 2 “ window at 20 yards. I have around 150 of RWS 14.4 g super dome through it. It was .22 long rifle sounds out of it initially but settled down. I did replace the scope rings with some higher quality ones just because I had them. All in all I am pleased with mine. I view the plastic stock as utility strength I don’t have to worry about getting nicked up. I like your channel and have watched a few. Regards from Texas,
@@swift10falcon Thanks for the comment and info. 👍
When I was editing the video I saw that too. The angle of the camera makes it look like the scope is touching. This reminded me to check it and I just looked and it is not touching. There is still a 1/2” of clearance.
I’ve learned to listen for that click sound as the mag gets hung up from time to time. Today I shot it briefly at lunch and discovered the magazine lost most of its tension and wouldn’t self advance the last 5 rounds or so. I just finished taking it apart and reindexing the spring. Ridiculous!
I wonder if the accuracy you got is all this gun is capable of? I didn’t think the groups OTSA showed were very good for a fixed barrel gun at 20 yds. I’ve got a hypothesis on why that is and hopefully can test it out tomorrow. If it turns out to be true I’ll send the gun back as the design is inherently flawed and will never be accurate. At least as accurate as I expect it should be at 20 yds. I’m not expecting the moon or stars but I’ve got numerous $60 dollars guns that are far more accurate than this gun has displayed so far. I just was expecting better accuracy for $150 with the fixed barrel configuration.
I’ll keep testing and hopefully things will improve. Thanks for checking out my channel! 😀
I have been shooting airguns since the early 70s and always cleaned the barrel of a new one and then only cleaned whenever accuracy fell off (usually a tin or two of pellets).
Idea: switch scopes. I bought a Gamo breakbarrel several years ago. Reviewers got good results shooting it but mine spread pellets on the target just like you are getting shooting your Synergis. I blamed myself. I shot it some over the next three years but I did not like the gun. Long story short, as a last resort I switch the scope to a Hawke scope rated for breakbarrel rifles. Low-and-behold! It holds groups at twenty yards. Always clean the barrel first. It doesn't matter what new shooters do, only a clean barrel gives a realistic test of the gun.
Good idea and I’ll do just that. Swapping for a different, known good scope will be a quick & easy way to eliminate potential causes.
Surprised how underwhelming this new acquisition has been for you given the stellar review by Riddick of over the shelf air guns of this same rifle. I would return to return to Amazon based on the inaccuracy results. This is apparently one of those hit or miss propositions
No off the shelf air guns. He said his was the 22 version..not the .177. But I'm glad he made this video because I was thinking about buying this 177 cal and then the 22 version if this one was any good..probably not now though 😅 maybe he will work on this one and figure out what's the problem with it..
@@greg4161 OTSA’s review looked really promising and I took the chance. I wasn’t impressed with the accuracy he showed but figured some higher quality pellets would provide better results. Perhaps I will find something that works but honestly my heart isn’t in trouble shooting yet another non performing airgun. Its could be as simple as slip shot QC from China on these guns. Some may be good and others no so.
@@airgunsofalaska yeah I can relate to one of these sub $150 rifles, in my case a crosman f4. I took the chance with the purchase based on several promising reviews relative to quality and accuracy. My example however couldn't hit the side of a barn and subsequently discovered had bad barrel
@@greg4161Now that I took a break from this gun I’m interested in doing more investigating but forefront in my mind is that there may be a manufacturing issue causing the problem.
@ I’ve been reading your comments since this gun came out and they are pretty over the top. Are you an employee of Umarex or work in some manner associated with selling this gun? I apologize for sounding accusatory but you promote this gun like you earn commission on it.
do you think some of that error could be attributed to paralax error from the scope? I have been finding that a lot in short range air rifle shooting.
@@WalnutandSteel It could be? The reticle was staying still on the target at 20 yds when I moved my head from side to side. But it’s worth looking more closely into. I should probably try a different scope just to eliminate possible problems.
Unfortunately I don’t have a ton of enthusiasm to troubleshoot yet another airgun but I likely will anyway. I should change my channel name to Airgun Troubleshooting of Alaska. It seems like 1/2 the new guns I buy have some kind of issue.
It kind of frustrates me that these companies are still packing in these 100 yd paralax scopes when there are awesome and very inexpensive AO scopes available now.
@@WalnutandSteelI’ll swap to a different scope and see what happens. 👍
I didn't know Umarex sold an underlever repeater. I also thought the box looked like a Gamo box. I thought it was a Gamo when I saw the thumbnail.
I use to want a Umarex Storm but Crosman came out out with their auto bb stuff and my younger brother got me one.
@@jackpotparty58 I waited for a month hoping to see some other reviews but none seemed to come out. Perhaps that’s due to most people being skeptical that it is any good?
While I’ve had really good experiences with Umarex CO2 bb pistols, this rifle isn’t in the same league.
Watched twice and I'm feeling bad about how underwhelming it is. 😅
Everything looks so grim in the budget airgun side of the spectrum. I'm definitely going to have build my next one, as mentioned. I just hope Crosman still sells parts. 😮
@ It seems like there’s a better chance of getting a mediocre gun under $150-$200 than a good one. It seems like there’s quality of airguns continues to decline.
I didn’t have any luck getting the parts I needed from Crosman last month. Everything I needed was not in stock or no longer available. Hopefully you’ll have better luck. 👍
@@airgunsofalaska Wow really? Thanks for letting me know. I hope they aren't out of 362 pump tubes. I was planning on getting two. One for my next current build and another for a future shorter 66 sized build. (I'll call it a 3662. Lol Get it?) I need to get on it and call them.
@ hopefully they have the parts you need. I came away from my call thinking they were selling what they had on hand in the New York factory and once they was gone we were shit outta luck. Not that they said anything like that or were rude, just that they didn’t say it could be back ordered or call back in a few weeks.
I’m very pessimistic about future parts availability from Crosman on their guns based upon what I’ve read about Gamo. Guys have written that Gamo does sell spare parts.
Nice one!!! Does it really give 1200 fps?
Lower power is better - less recoil,smoother action,easier to cock,more accurate.
@@redpillnibbler4423 very true
I would not want a 177 pellet going that fast it will destabilize the pellet
@@gboutdoors5198 agree 👍🏻
@openfieldtarget I don’t know for sure as I’ve not chronied it yet. It does seem to shoot hard and fast. I’ll plan to check.
I got the 22 from tractor supply. I was also underwhelmed with the accuracy... Since the purpose of an underlever is better accuracy. I have found that the accuracy is better with sticking the pellet in the barrel and then popping the magazine back on top with nothing in it. It is a really tight fit jamming a pellet in that tiny slot but it is better than pellets hitting all over the place. Basically defeats the purpose of the magazine by adding it that way but I finally got some consistency. I have found the the jsb jumbo monster 25.39 grain gets decent groups by single loading. Plus you need more of a long, cylindrical pellet to slide it in that way easily. The JTS dead center 25.39 grain also is very good but has a few more flyers. So it won't load quickly but it does really pack a punch with those heavy pellets. Also it's quieter inserting the pellets in the barrel and popping the mag back on (empty)... Not sure why it's quieter but it is a little. I have accidentally dry fired this gun and it sounds like a 22! I would like to see a chrono on this gun because it has way more power than the other air guns I own. So, if i could buy a single loader mag that would align perfectly I think it would be decent gun. My conclusion is that most of the inaccuracy comes from that darn mag... Durable steel but doesn't align well with advancing round. Anyways thank you for the review!
@@JohnTripp-d3x I had a lot of difficulty loading pellets by hand and not having them get slightly cockeyed in the breech while doing it. It isn’t practical to load the gun that way and defeats the whole concept of a repeater. I already sent my gun back for a refund. I’m a little miffed that OTSA gave it such a glowing review as that’s what pushed me over the edge to buy it. While it could be the QC is so bad on these guns that he got a good one out of luck and mine was a piece of trash or maybe the .22 is more accurate than the .177?
In any case I’m more mad at myself for buying the dumb thing as OTSA’s groups weren’t very good and when you measure a group using your thumb… well, I should have taken that as a red flag. The splatter burst targets he uses also make groups look tighter than they are. They show up great of video but aren’t good for showing precision.
Wise to return it! I also thought the review was promising but I am after accuracy not so much for plinking steel. For that it would be great because it would load fast and the under lever action is fun. I decided to "pull the trigger" on it as well. Partially from that review and because I wanted an underlever. I should have waited longer because your review would have made me change my mind. Tractor supply said no returns on air rifles. Anyways at least it hits hard. I also agree that standard diabolo pellets don't fit well when loading them in the breech but it did improve accuracy. The more expensive/barrel shaped monsters slide in ok. Albeit not as easy as a break barrel and not as accurate :-) So it's basically a dud. I may try that other Chinese under level down the road
@@JohnTripp-d3x Dang! Thats a bummer Tractor Supply wouldn’t take a return. I suspect Umarex’s warranty is garbage and not even worth pursuing.
Had I been able to see how the magazine interfaced with the breech and air port I wouldn’t even have considered ordering it. My gut knew better than I did! I was so close to cancelling the 2nd order I’d placed when it was just sitting there for days waiting to ship. That was a sign I didn’t need it. 🤦♂️
It’s too bad it wasn’t like a gen 1 Gamo swarm break barrel where you can remove the autoloading mechanism. I’d have been more inclined to keep it had it offered that option. But at the end of the day I can’t say I’ve even missed it a little bit.
I swear beak barrels are so funny their marketing tactic is slap FPS everywhere.
Yeah, it’s unfortunate that they are so focused on a high FPS number. I’d much rather have accuracy.
If you return it you may want to check out the barra 1200g break barrel that comes with the .177 and .22 barrels for about $150 .Check out the video by Air gun Detectives .
Does it probe the pellet like the magfire?
No, it’s weird, it fires the pellets straight through the magazine like a revolver.
Now that I’m thinking about it… yikes! That might be a fatal flaw with this design. If the mag doesn’t index and line up perfectly with the barrel it’ll never be accurate.
I’ll try the other magazine and see what happens. Dang. Now that you got me thinking about how this gun functions, I don’t think I want to keep it. It’ll eventually wear and get out of alignment with use over time.
@airgunsofalaska yeah.. set up like that, it's a plinker. The tr5 side lever pushes the pellet, and the mag is a straight clip. It's all out of stock in canada unfortunately.
I agree 100% that you shouldn't have to "re-engineer" an airgun that is brand new to shoot as it should. I have some old airguns with leather seals, bare steel and wood that shoot lights out compared to some recent ones that I have bought for my grandkids. Just crappy quality control and care.
I’d have to sit down and think but dang, my experience with getting poorly performing brand new guns in the under $275 price range has been pretty bad. It seems like I’ve received more bad ones than good.
@@airgunsofalaska that is the sad state of manufacturing these days. China don't care!
Thank the Chinamen for that!
Thats a bummer I was looking forward to this I even had it in my cart
Maybe the barrel will lead in?
I cleaned the barrel last night and was surprised it looked no different after cleaning than it did before. I’ve not yet shot it since cleaning but I pulled some pretty nasty looking, black greasy patches out while cleaning.
@ I was thinking about it 1000 fps can be inaccurate can you try a heavier pellet
I don’t like the fact that it shoots out of the mag
They should have left a single shot
@ I’ll need to chony it to see what it’s shooting at. The heaviest pellets I have are 13 gr and it shot those terribly as well.
With the mag having 2 layers the aluminum one will expand/contract faster than the steel one with temp changes, might be enough to make it stick in cold. Speaking of which you can get metal mags for your Dragonfly at Krale I need to get some of those. That is a bummer with the accuracy I was wondering if OTSA just got a particularly bad one, glad you can get out this deal easy👍
I really like the magazine. It’s actually my favorite aspect of the gun.
I’ve not yet used the magazine in my Dragonfly.
Hopefully it’s just something simple like a faulty scope causing my accuracy issues.
Thanks for the honest review,that means a lot.Have you checked out the review by Air gun Detective and see what pellet that he was shooting?
Not yet, I didn’t realize he’d done a review, I’ll check it out. Thanks!
@ I think that he did the older version
@ That’s what I thought too. I didn’t see a video from him about the Elite model.
Hello again. I m with you on how many project guns do we want? Still sorting the 362. Bolt just wont come back sometimes. But, did buy a Not Chinese break barrel (NOt Gamo either) and it is a peach. Stuffed the stock with felt to cut down noise, didnt need any de burring inside, nice spring, not a bendy Gamo forced in there, Its not blued so will se how that goes, but all steel lock up and breech, and barrel hinge pin threaded at the end so it will tighten. So far so good. Called the Bravo Elite here in Europe and says its made here. Trigger is metala nd looks like the old Gamo triggers, fine with that.Just googled it and isays 140 US Dollars delivered witha bag, 4x cheap but usable scope and pellets(probably not usable, not tried yet. ) So they do exist the decent ones. All the best Keith
Totally agree! It’d be one thing if I was buying these second hand off eBay or something but for brand new it’s disappointing.
Sometimes I really like the gun and love the way it feels, shoots, looks and am wanting to go the extra mile to make it work. This gun has none of those qualities for me. I’m regretting the purchase already.
@@airgunsofalaska Thats hard. Maybe put iti on one side and see if you feel like sorting it later.? I have a couple like that already. Good to be so open and homest about it . Keith
@ That’s what I’d like to do but I’d be better off determining the problem now so I can send it back for a refund. My gut had me cancel my order the first time and was telling me to cancel the second time. I’m thinking I should have listened to my gut.
@@airgunsofalaska I ll go with that for sure. Keith
Could be a mag upgraded GAMO CFX...🤭 Even the box looks GAMO, i got already information stress just by looking at it 😅 150 bucks is a lot of money for Chinese tupperware... SEND IT BACK and buy pellets and paper targets instead. Cheers Buddy!
@@rapalaron6348 Right!? I like the concept of repeating under lever but there is nothing else redeeming about this gun. It feels cheap. Looks cheap. And the accuracy I’ve seen so far is on par with a smooth bore BB gun.
I did clean the barrel tonight and pulled through quite a few very dirty, black, greasy looking patches. The barrel looked exactly the same as before when looking down it with a light reflecting off white paper at the breech.
I’ll give it another test with the cleaned barrel but if accuracy does improve I’m returning it. I at least liked how the CFX looked and felt. This just feels like another cheap looking, plastic covered, generic airgun.
Have you tried a different scope. That one may not be holding zero.
I’ve not yet tried that but I agree, that’ll be my next step. I just shot it the way it came out of the box.
Where did you get your Xisico from? Amazon
@@vancethennis3868 I ordered it from the JTS website. It wasn’t featured prominently, it actually popped up in a Google search. jtsstore.com/product/arxs46ua-xisico-xs46u-underlever-air-rifle
It would have been great if you had spent a little more time explaining about the gun itself, is it a gas spring for example?
Maybe it took so long to get to you as perhaps it was sent by ship or by land via Canada rather than air freight?
@@kevanhubbard9673 I was watching the tracking number and the clowns at the store sat on it for over a week before they finally shipped it. It was a third party vendor on Amazon and they took their sweet time. I’m planning to give them a negative review as it shouldn’t take over a week to give the package to the UPS driver.
Is the scope holding zero?
That’s something I’m going to have to verify. The issues could be caused by the scope.
You are right, $150 is a lot of money. It is about half a bag of groceries.
Yeah, I don’t consider $150 to be a “cheap” airgun. I expect more for my money at this price range.
I’ll do some more testing and troubleshooting to see if I can improve accuracy.
I have one of those I ordered mine right off of the Umarex website I got mine right after off the shelf air gun mine is also in 177 I'm about ready to send it back to Umarex cuz there is no way it would ever qualify in the can bottom challenge it is very inaccurate and loud
Dang, yours is inaccurate too? I’ve been regretting this purchase and won’t hesitate to send it back.
I had the impact Max Elite that shit fell apart after about 5 600 shots as in the screws busted off inside of the gun. All three of the mounting screws not to mention the trigger is so hard to pull and chief plastic hurt your finger
I have one too, it doesn’t like to be on the bag im using jsb 18 grains, took 300 pellets to break in, shot a quarter size group at 40 off hand. I hold it artillary 3 inches behind front stock bolts
@@adamrichie741 I’d like to see a video of that.
@@adamrichie741 Quarter sized group offhand at 40 yds. 🤣😂😆
Well I’m sitting with my elbow on my knee, not standing. Okay maybe a little bigger than a quarter but not much like barely outside if I place it over
The point is don’t give up on it, try different hikes, I agree with your other video the magazine will be the cause of the inaccuracy because it’s not loading the pellet into the breech just firing it from the mag. Mine is 22 m. And I’m using jsb 18grains
Not hikes holds. I shoot breakers mostly off hand as I never get accuracy when resting it. I may shoot offhand more than the average person so I don’t know maybe that is why but I’m not trying to brag trust me I’m a terrible shot at most things but Ive hunted with a breaker off hand more than anything else in my life. It’s all I know. I don’t upload videos but maybe I’ll make one just for you to see. I didn’t think that was that special.
Don’t complain it’s over 300$ here in the shops 👍😂yep not on my list
@@Relaxbadkneeadventures oh wow, that’s crazy! Totally not worth that kind of money.
@ a 3622 is also over 300$ here . Also pass on that one . I wanted it but it’s to expensive for what you get . I will wait for the umarex iconix that’s 60$ cheaper and with a gauge !
For the money, what is a good airgun that will last me? I have a bad squirrel problem. They are getting into my attic and I can't have that.
@@arkansasboy45 For squirrels a break barrel repeater from Gamo would be a good buy. I ordered my remanufactured Gamo Swarm Hornet in .22 right off their website and it cost around $100 shipped. It’s been extremely accurate, functions flawlessly and has plenty of power for squirrels. It also came with a cheap scope that works just fine out to 20 yds for squirrels. I keep my stored with a loaded magazine so I can grab it and be ready to go with 10 shots.
It’s head and shoulders better than this Umarex Synergis Elite.
@airgunsofalaska Unfortunately they are out of stock or else I would get one. They look like a good product. What about the Swarm Hunter for $149?
@ I just looked it up and it comes with a wood stock which is awesome. I think it’d be a really nice airgun. 👍
Wow! that air gun must be related to the Gamo CFX seems it shoots just as bad! I almost pulled the trigger on one of these after seeing off the shelf air guns video but wanted to see a few more review and now I am sure glad I waited and watched your video.
And ya it sucks spending so much time trying to get a gun to shoot well it is very frustrating I did that with that with the CFX nad after all that drama with that gun I decided I would not waste that much time on any air gun again.
If I was you I would send it back for sure get your money back my friend there are much better air guns out there save up and maybe guve a cometa a try,
@@BravoBassin I sent it back for a full refund weeks ago. I was kind of irritated about how shitty it was because OTSA’s video was enough to nudge me over to ordering it. I actually cancelled the first order as it was taking too long to ship. Then I reordered it and almost cancelled a second time as I kept getting a gut feeling it would suck. I should’ve listened to my gut. 🤣
Plus there was some guy commenting on my channel about this gun and how awesome and amazing it was. I later saw he was also commenting on OTSA’s channel, hyping it up and making bullshit posts about how great his gun was. He was a shill. He went away after I called him out. It’s good you didn’t order one. It’s an overpriced piece of garbage that’ll eventually wear out the breech and shoot like absolute crap. The CFX is a much better made gun in this price range of underlevers.
@@airgunsofalaska Qwll glad you sent it back my friend hate to see you waste your time with a crappy gun.
That Norica you got seems to be doing well for you so far.
I was poking around the budget guns for the past few days seeing if there were any good sales on one that I might want to try but in the end I talked myself out of buying any.
I think I will just keep saving up to buy another weihrauch but I am going to puy a Cometa from Keystone air guns and give one of those a try soon either the 300 or 400 both are around $300 so not terrible in price.
I have watched several videos on them and talked to several peopel about them as well even the guys over in the UK seem to like them.
Anyway keep the videso coming my friend always enjoy your videos.
@ I’ve read/watched many good things about the Cometa guns. I don’t really have a need for another springer break barrel so I’ve not considered buying one. My one reservation is they seem a bit crudely finished for what they cost.
I’d watch your review if you end up getting one. 👍
@@airgunsofalaska Ya I am a big fan of springers as you know so I will be getting one soon.
I do wish they would make some nicer and more multi pump air rifles though you know made out of all metal and wood or metal and a nice composit stock.
I would pay more for a higher end multi pump.
I thought the ceosman anniversary was going to be that gun but as I said I was disapointed in that gun.
Kije re make the crosman 760 in all metal and wood.
or bring back the sheridan in all wood and metal stuff like that would be great.
And make a better budget under lever which would be nice as well.
is that another chinesium airgun? you should try the hatsan factor sniper long,that rifle is crazy and is accurate as hell....bro stay away from the chinesium airguns,do you remember what almost happen to my friend?
@@MaverickShooter9 yes 👍 it’s another Chinesium gun that so far is living up to all the poor quality stereotypes. Sometimes I find gems in this price range that were made in China but I need to go back and count, I think most of the time I’ve ended up with guns that are not desirable.
This is a gas ram gun so I’m not concerned about it exploding like a poorly built PCP. I‘m not sure if the Hatsan you mentioned uses the sliding barrel configuration but I specifically avoided that style of gun because I didn’t think a movable barrel was a good idea. I’ve also not had great experiences with Hatsan products so they are not a brand I ever look at anymore.
Every time I get a knew air rifle the barrel is getting cleaned I dont want to play with that nasty muck screwing up my accuracy.
I cleaned the barrel last night and the patches were covered with black, greasy muck. But the barrel looked no different before and after cleaning. I’ve not yet shot it to see if it is improved.
@@airgunsofalaska Well I hope that helps also thats nasty lol
It's not very impressive, I kinda think it's quality control issues. I'll stick with my RWS 48. All steel and wood, very heavy but shoots great.
@@rquest3059 not at all impressive. I don’t think I have the desire, interest or patience to figure out what’s wrong with it or test dozens of pellets hoping to find something it likes.
Perhaps this will be my final foray into new production, Chinese made guns. A guy is much better off but a quality German gun like you have.
Wow ? You saved me some money , thought about getting the 22 , but now um nah . It seems Gamo has the best mag system and no I'm not sponsored by Gamo to say that . Just my experience and my opinion . Cant say I'm a fan of anything Umarex nor do I own one . They source out some of there airguns and put the Umarex name on it . Remember the Hatsan Proxima ? Wood stock underlever mag fed around 500.00 and some change . Offered in three calibers . A lot of negative reviews on that one .
@@joedokes8641 That’s good to hear. 👍 I’m going to test it some more but I don’t have a lot of faith things are going to improve. I called out this guns biggest fan in the comments and David Hamlin has not responded. I think we had a Umarex employee shilling for the gun in both OTSA’s and in my comments. I’ve never seen any gun owner write things so over the top about any gun and then do it over and over and over. 😂🤣 Pathetic!
I’m not familiar with the Proxima but anything put out by Hatsan immediately makes me skeptical. This Synergis Elite doesn’t have the same level of quality that my 10+ year old, made in Taiwan, Umarex CO2 pistols possess.
The zelos and Gauntlet are good but none of their cheap stuff is
@@dannyarmata8878 I’m not familiar with Umarex aside from owning a few old CO2 pistols that have been excellent. My impression is Umarex sells rebranded guns under its name or has agreement to sell certain models exclusively and those are made by different companies. I don’t know who Crosman uses to manufacture its Chinese MagFire guns but this Umarex reminds me a lot of my MagFire in the way it looks and has been constructed.
Umarex zelos is just artemis's snow peak that was never brought to America
@@dannyarmata8878 Ahhh… it sounds like I was on the right track in my thinking?
In my 35 years of shooting airguns I have never had good luck with anything umarex Just saying
@@ryansumners3153 I’m going to do the simple things first and if that doesn’t work I’ll try testing my new hypothesis on what the issue is. If that proves to be true the gun and design is fatally flawed but it’s way too early to think that…. yet.
Many guns are a hit and miss from all makers these days. Return it if unhappy.🤠🇺🇸
It’s really irritating how bad airguns have gotten. It seems like half the new airguns I buy that cost under $275 are inaccurate junk. This one will be returned if a barrel cleaning and scope swap don’t improve accuracy.
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My Umarex Emerge .177 Break Barrel took a dump and blew out a seal after only 25 shots…returned for a full refund.
Make Airguns Great Again in the USA 🇺🇸.
I'm sure you'll figure it out..something else to play with..not worth the price i think ..oh well.
Definitely not worth the price unless accuracy improves. I’m getting tired of troubleshooting brand new airguns that don’t work properly.
We need a real airguner that produces air rifles. That would be so cool! maybe, thats why FX makes good air rifles; because they actually care.
So far I’ve found I can’t go wrong with made in Germany airguns. I’ve got an FX Air handpump and it has worked flawlessly for the past 14 years.
@@airgunsofalaska Wow 14 years thats crazy! I also agree german air rifles are said to be top quality!
Wow what a disappointment! It seems these Chinese underlevers all have poor quality control. Only 2 things I would try and then send it back. One is to scrub/clean that barrel very well. 2) Swap that scope off. It reminds me of the crap scope I got included with my Gamo Bone Collector 2. It jumped around like that. After a tin of pellets and being very frustrated, I put my known good scope from my Benjamin Trail. I put it on my B. C. and bingo. That was the problem. I got a bad scope out of the box that couldn't handle the recoil. Gamo replaced the scope but I had to pay the $25 shipping, sucks. I put a BSA Outlook on it and the B.C. is now very accurate!
Great ideas and will do!
@@airgunsofalaska Cool Brother make sure you check all the stock screws are tight and stay tight too! I guess the JTS Artisan wood stocked 10x Stonewolf underlever is not on your list? It is an upgraded Xisico XS46U but with a gas ram! LOL
@ When I checked them last night all three screws were snug. When I cinched them down even more the cheap plastic stock started showing white stress marks.
I don’t see myself buying the Stonewolf. No matter how many times I tell myself “no more China made airguns” I end up buying something and usually regretting it after I shoot it. The Xisico was definitely one of the rare wins. I think my Dragonfly Mk1 may be a win as well but only after chamfering the breech.
@@airgunsofalaska I get it. I have 2 air gun paper weights and 2 more that are only good for plinking. It looks like the accurate nice shooting underlevers are not available in the budget price range! All we want is the underlever air gun to have power to be a small game hunter to about 40 yards and more accurate than a break barrel.
I see myself giving this a few more shooting sessions before boxing it up and returning it. That’s pretty bad… usually I have more patience and am more enthused about trying to figure out the issue. I took 15 shots with it at lunch on the newly cleaned barrel and the groups were still total garbage. One magazine has already diminished in spring tension and no longer advances properly. I think that can be corrected my reinfecting and preloading the spring. But really? Not even 24 hours of ownership and I’m already working on it!? Not impressed.
About as accurate as my Chinese made Daisy Powerline 880.
Ha ha! My Chinese made Daisy 880 is way more accurate at 20 yds than this Umarex. Hopefully I can find some improvement or I’ll return it.
I've had a lot of disappointment with umarex. I've wasted too much money on their products. Its a shame because the do have some nice looking replicas. That being said the only umarex airgun that still shoots is my saa colt pellet.
i avoid umarex products
@@toddhunter5693 While I’ve had really good experiences with their BB pistols I can’t say the same with this rifle.
Well, honestly, their Notos is really great, but I feel like their break barrels I’d just stay away from. Their Umarex Emerge that my friend Travis from Oh Shoot sent me shoots okay, but it’s a $200 gun, and I really think it’s dookie.
@@gboutdoors5198It appears that Umarex sources guns from different manufacturers in different countries. I’m thinking some are good and some not so good.
If I saw someone in Walmart looking at BB guns for their kid, I'd say, 'Man, don't get those stupid budget break barrels! They have recoil, they are hold-sensitive, and they are inaccurate. So I'd say get a Daisy 880, or like a Crosman 760 or Crosman 2100. I think budget break barrels are gimmicks, but idk; there are some gems out there, but honestly, they are never sold in Walmart.
They’d be better off with either one of those pneumatics.
I have had really good luck with my Gamo Swarm Hornet but from the comments I read about Gamo, they seem to have QC issues as well.
@@airgunsofalaska Oh Yea thats why I have such a hard time with budget break barrels it seems like you have to hit the lottery
@ I don’t generally bother with Chinese made break barrel airguns. I took a gamble on my Daisy 1101S based upon lots of favorable reviews and comments from viewers and I’ve been really pleased with it aside from the atrocious trigger.
I was kind of thinking a fixed barrel underlever would be a safer bet with questionable Chinese QC but… perhaps not with this one.
@@airgunsofalaska Yeah, I mean they always find a way to mess something up. I heard that sometimes, for cheaper costs, they do not follow the building plans of the company and use cheaper materials without telling the company. Maybe thats why its hit or miss 🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷
@@gboutdoors5198 I’ve read those exact same things. It appears it all depends upon the company who is farming the work out to them. If the company doesn’t pay attention the quality suffers. I’m getting really tired of the crap shoot Chinese made guns can be. I think I need to go back to avoiding them.
This airgun is trash. Trust me when i say this buy name brand that is not overly complicated and poorly engineered.
@@wyattcareymotivation I’m 100% in agreement! 👍😀
UA-cam will pay you if you only have 3k subscribers??
Not talkin trash.. Didnt know it.
@@maniacalmonster2293 UA-cam starts monetizing channels when they hit 1000 subscribers and receive a certain amount of viewer time.
It’s a really cool system. You get money directly from UA-cam. You don’t need to beg for sponsors or shill products unless that’s what the person wants to do. Whatever money or product that comes from that arrangement is separate from UA-cam.
@airgunsofalaska so at basic, 1000 subs and they start monetizing... can you give me a ballpark of what they pay start off like that?
@ it all depends on how many views a video gets and length of time people watch the video. They also don’t pay out immediately when you hit 1000 subscribers. They wait until you get over $100 before sending you any money. That might take a couple months depending upon how popular your channel is. Basically you aren’t going to make enough to quit your day job. 😄 But it does provide some fun money for just doing what you like.
Wast of money
@@Gold-d9x totally agree 👍