I just had a gig Saturday outside. I had my canopy, a cooling fan, a actual outdoor fan, and a stand and my Mac still overheated. Lucky I had my USB to cover but the distortion was horrible. I needed this video last week! So I could if took my PC!
They abandoned production for the the last 2 years with the development and support for the 16 inch Macbook Pro. A simple firmware would fix most of this issue.
I did an event outside last month in the humid south. No tent, no fans, and no real air movement because I was wedged in the corner privacy gating and a bricked house. I was playing tunes and video mixing to two tvs from an alienware. No issues. The event lasted 6 hours. 400p till 10p. The sun didn't set until 815ish. I like my Macs but the heat down here is on another level. I lived and learned. Good information!
Hey Terry, recently discovered your channel and love your videos. A couple of things. I've been a mobile DJ now for about 12 years now, in the Caribbean - Trinidad and Tobago to be specific - so we know about heat! I've used both PC's and Macs. I love Macs though and I had a MacBook Pro 2011 as my main DJ workhorse over that time, until it recently died. One of the main things I discovered over the years is that the thermal paste on MacBooks does degrade quickly, as the MBP is worked. My cpu went from low usage in the early days to 99% despite upgrading to SSD, 16GB Ram and so on to try to counteract. So I would point the finger at thermal paste. I just got a MacBook Air M1. This is the best laptop I ever owned. It runs all the DJ software (Serato is my first choice) with no issues. I was worried from some reviews that it could not handle streaming from OBS and run Serato at same time, but no issues! The MBA M1 does not even get hot with Serato/OBS/other software all running and most importantly - no audio latency, stutter or overheating at all. I used to have a dual setup with an iPad to run Streamlabs OBS and only DJ software via the MBP, now the MBA M1 runs everything like a champ! #RiddimDojo
I own a Prime 2. End of July I was the house DJ for an outdoor concert from 10am to 10pm. Luckily I was in a gazebo. But overheating of equipment could have been an issue. But I’m happy to report that the Prime 2 had zero issues.
Switching from Serato to Rekordbox has lessened the CPU usage on my (2) 2015 MacBook Pros. Have always used a cooling fan base for outdoor events and no heat issues. I still use a tent or stay shaded as much as possible. Sometimes I bring a floor fan for those extra hot days. Work around, sure. But I would do the same if I need to run my backup PC Lenovo. No sweaty balls either 😂
In Israel you can go over the most famous DJs and they use only the 2015 and lower. Why? Because this is the last gen that had the 2 fans and can deal with the heat here. The best tips I can give from my experience is pretty much what Jesse said and get a backup one which can handle heat well. Also you can download Macs Fan Control which is awesome for cranking up the fans whenever you need it by 2 clicks.
Man in Las Vegas, NV good lawd don't get me start it. I been looking into getting a XMG for just a DJ laptop now I really can't wait to save up to get this asap! For real. Thank you for that test review in the heat!
Been watching my Macs overheat since 2011. Tip: #1: turn off your discrete video card if at all possible. Tip #2: a lot of times (especially with the new 16" Macs it's the actual USB-C port that's hot and not the whole computer. (had my 16" crash on me twice during a twitch stream in an air conditioned basement 🥴) so Tip #2.5 i guess? leave any and all ports unused that you can. at home i run one cable out to a hub and it's been working well. Tip #3: this is egregious but if you gotta play outside i keep about 10 of those lunch box ice blocks (like 5 bucks at target for 4) they are gel in thick plastic and don't produce a lot of moisture as they warm up. place them right under the ports and rotate them at long gigs. (this also means you're showing up to outdoor gigs with a cooler...but what are ya gonna do?) last but not least if you use an external drive (like me) the drive can also get hot 🥴 so that goes on a cool pack too. oh!!! bonus tip: keep your computer COLD as long as possible. if that means in your car with AC, if that means in the cooler or even the shade and ice cold chasis has bought me some extra playing time. ok i'm done. stay cool friends!
Strictly PC guy here. I do many outdoor gigs in the heat. My laptop only overheated one time on me. It was in direct sunlight at the time on a hot 100 degree day. Other than that one time, it's never let me down.
I was running with that same exact issue, however I also had a boatload of dust and grime blocking air to the fans.. we all DJ in different environments and our MacBooks need to be maintained and cleaned. Plus now I also use a laptop cooler fan and has helped a lot.. 👍
I use a mac all day for production and graphics - but I use 3 windows laptops for my Serato rig - 2 redunant mirror computers on standby - all bought for cheaper than 1 macbook pro. it just always runs smoother with serato no matter the temperature. external fans always help regardless.
Ive deejayed summer pool parties in 100° weather with my 2012 MBP and didnt have problems.. I think that tank will burst into flames b4 it stops working.. Wish apple still made badass/reliable with all the "pro" ports we need! HDMI, several USB A & C, magsafe charger, etc.. How do the denon prime gear hold up in the heat? Might just ditch the laptop for outdoor events if Im not spinning videos..
Great test! Yes, the M1 is very different. I haven't had any heat issues in comparison to my 2018 MacBook Pro (the fans on that thing start as soon as I start Serato! LOL). I agree that fans and cooling pads are only a workaround.
I own a 2020 MBP 13 inch and have never had an issue with overheating. And I'm running Serato on an internal hard drive and also running Serato Video and Tidal at all of my events. I've played at venues in direct sunlight for hours with no issues. I also have a cover on my computer that keeps it even hotter. I wonder if this is an issue with the larger MBP's? Or maybe you have a dead fan or something? Bro.. I hope you find out what's going on. That would scare me. Have you tried sending it in for repair?
Do you have a keyboard cover on the MacBook? I’ve never had an issue using the MacBook outside and I live in the South. I have a MacBook Pro I9. I also have all other programs turned off bedsides the DJ software. I am using rekordbox. Great video Terry!
Thank you for this video. Newer DJ & I had a 4th of July event at a pool and my Mac Macbook Pro was randomly struggling 15 min into a 4-hour gig. The CPU in serato was running high for no reason. Had to do the whole gig from my iPhone. Was not a happy camper😡 I thought it was because of the heat considering where I was set up. ANY VIDS ON THE WORKAROUNDS YOU MENTIONED? Just in case I get another pool gig soon. I’ll look into getting a fan, I haven't heard or seen the ice bag trick. Thanks a Bunch, Bro
I recently had issues with my Mac in the heat. I've been considering using my PC laptop as back up. My question to you is ,how do keep both library on you Mac and PC libraries in sync and update? My goal would be to have my Mac (main laptop) exactly the same as my PC (back up). Thanks
Do you keep a laptop fan with you for hot days in your cable bag? One of the flat USB ones you put under your machine? That would seem like the easiest first option whether you have a PC or Mac.
Nah it has something to do with the serato app,apple is still the best but it just the app,like when I Dj with the MacBook but I use virtual Dj or record box,I don’t have any issue of laggin,it only happenes on serato
Great work again CT I do trust the outcome of this test. But in all fairness I would like to see how both computers performed if the controllers were swapped. To eliminate that the controller's drivers are pushing the CPU out of the comfort zone.
@@dwai1967 that is true for the audio interface part, given that the audio interface part is "class compatible". The HID part which makes the Rane One capable to control Serato always requires some kind of driver (I think this is build into Serato).
Hi Terry. Thanks for the video. As usual, an amazing job. I'm a PC lover but I know how Mac is better in a million ways. About heat conditions, what do you think about a Stand Alone unit? I don't have one but I'm thinking about getting one (Denon Prime maybe). Do you think they wiull have heat issues? Cheers.
Question, was this a problem on scratch live from 2000s to when Dj Pro was released? I played a gig on Scratch Live when the heat was high 90s and didn't have any issues on an old MacBook pro.
I am moving on from mac to PC and plan on purchasing an XMG DJ 15 after this wedding season ends. Mainly just to not wanting to have to use a usbc hub in order to run my controller and soundswitch simultaneously. Ill hold onto my 2013 mbp for most of my everyday tasks though.
I have Macs and PC's and love both for different reasons. As much as I love my Macs, I had to install Fan Control bc Apple has prioritized aesthetics and sound(or silence) over function so Macs get VERY hot before the fans actually kick on... That being said...I still use my Macs for all my DJing and music production
Let's not forget about the DJ hardware as well. DDJ-1000 is mostly plastic and the Rane One is mostly metal. Both have a certain limit whenever it comes to operating in either extremely hot/cold temperatures.
I had the same issue 2 weeks in a row at 2 different outdoor events located in San Bernardino (in 95-100 degrees) with my 2017 MacBook Pro. I ended up getting a laptop cooling fan which I sat on top of a ice packs which worked out but I have to agree with you. I might have to start taking my PC to the outdoor events when its hot.
Really interesting vid, experienced something similar even here in the uk during a garden gig ! I wish the new Macs had the connectivity of the old ones I don’t think I could justify buying a PC I’m an apple guy … what do I do ???
Thanks for the video. I played under a white tent and outside for my first outdoor event a few weeks ago with a HP Laptop. My Laptop was almost too hot to touch so, I put a dinky fan on it and it cooled it. I never felt my Laptop get that hot before. It's good some people are reporting in that their M1 Macs are not overheating. I was looking at those but, I didn't like the 13 inch screen size. If Mac ever comes out with a bigger screen size then I may buy one. I noticed at 2:31 that your the lip on your Pro X tray was aiming the other way. I can't do that with my Denon MCX8000 Pro X case because of the way the the foam is underneath. I wish I could do that. That lip is in the way of using a mouse and it feels a little sharp and uncomfortable resting my hand on it. I take the removable wood stip from the front and use it to prop my laptop up on and I use the lip so, my laptop doesn't slide towards me. I no longer use a mouse so, I will just live with it.
I have done an all Day Funk Fest outside in the heat. And 8 hrs in I had NO issues with my PC. It was 90° out and so hot that I had an electric fan blowing on me to keep from passing out.
I have a lenovo gaming laptop it works very well in high heat I recommend i also use a 5quade fan because 97%of my gigs are in backyards and 3%indoors being i live in Texas it's hot here 24/7 from April to December the low temp is 80 so I needed something that would peform thanks for keeping it real
I usually have a USB table fan (for both me and my gear) under the laptop stand... I know it's not ideal but it's just one extra peripheral. and it makes a huge difference
highly recommend using a MSI Gaming Laptop for djin. i have the GL6 and never once had any issues. i run serato and pioneer ddjsr2 i also can run anything in the background and still no issues or over heating,..
I've been using the Razor blade 15 2021 model. It's a beast. Running rekordbox, OBS and streaming with 2 cameras to twitch and mixcloud on a hotsummers day in the garden. Only drawback the laptop is heavy but the cooling solution is beast.. Upgraded it the moment it got delivered to my house stuck a 1tb M2 ssd in it. Which hold my music Another option to dj's Also has a dedicated gpu and not apu The problem with these machines is sharing resources
Thanks for a great video, I'm in Vegas and I can't do anything outside, I've got pictures of me with my mac in a bus tub of ice just to get it to play, still couldn't mix, but at least audio was not glitchy. Just grabbed the new M1 Max 16". Gonna see how it performs next season
Get a 2015 MacBook Pro, those are built to handle heat or spend the extra money and get a new M1. I had the same issues with my 2020 MacBook Pro, and I recently purchased two 2015’s. I live in Palm Springs so we get super hot weather and the older MacBooks work well. MacBooks with intel processors are meant to be in air conditioned environments.
Sooner or later, try a microsoft surface...until now it never overheated on me and I use a lot for long time in hot environments. Its fast as an PC, but the best thing is that top notch touchscreen. I never go back to a laptop. Its just so convenient, that its a pc but has every pro of a tablet without its drawbacks. An again, that touchscreen is speeds up the whole process of using the software interface, which keeps stress level so much more down, and opens up time windows for other fancy shit haha :D
So far I’ve been lucky with my 2015 MBP and this is the reason I didnt pull the trigger on a newer MBP (pre M1) bc Ive heard so many horror stories. Like you CT I love my Mac but didnt wanna fork out 3k plus until Apple released a better product. We’ll see what the M1 pro models have in store, if it isnt up to snuff I’ll be looking into the XMG.
As far as I’ve heard the XMG is not available in the US. Would luv to purchase one soon. Do you Cleveland have a connect to the company that sells this pc seeing that you own one. Awesome video great information ✌️
It's my understanding that a "business" can purchase one in the states. Surely a business account of some sort is the key. I thought about asking a business friend see if he can get one for me.
My 2018 MacBook Pro overheated on me june 19th in the park it as 103 or more me and another dj where tented no direct sun she had a windows hp it never once struggled My macbook pro did exactley what yours id doing in the garage hp made a believer out of me i dj using mp4 video what specs on a hp should i be looking for. Thanks for putting the time in effort in this video im suscribed & notified .... Dj Skidd Abilene Tx
What year MacBook is this? It's possible it would benefit from the CPU thermal paste being replied if it's an older model. It's an easy fix that in some situation can cause a 8-10C temperature reduction.
@@ClevelandTerry ok. Probably not the case then unless there was an issue from when it was put together. There is a way that you can make the entire bottom of your Mac a large heat spreader to pull more heat from the CPU. But it makes it uncomfortable if you ever sit with it on your lap. But this is a great out of the box type demonstration between the 2 laptops. 👍
i did much fiddling on my mac including compressing files i use with Serato.Other tweaks were done but when broadcasting i use just my mac and my dj rig and i use fans on full blast both inside the Mac and a portable external machine too.I also switch off all un needed software and wire myself to the internet to insure a better uninterrupted broadcast.Macs currently get very hot and i have to do all these things to make sure i dont get that god awful crunchy sound while broadcasting.Today the new Mac book pro range is being officially announced.Making a cooler Mac would be good especially in Summer where it turns into a small heater in my booth which is quite a small area.My Mac Is not the butterfly key hot mess but a generation or two later but heat is still an issue when doing cpu intensive work so i keep my internal fans full on when using Serato studio , obs, etc.
To keep it short and simple, I own a 2021 macbook pro 13 inch touch bar. I've had the fans repaid once before. I was outdoors underneath a tent at an outdoor event. I must admit it was blistering hot. And I heard a familiar sound it glitching( the computer) immediately place a bag of ice underneath the computer and was able successfully about to complete my task. But for the money spent on these units why aren't they more reliable? Ijs!
I DJ using my 2018 MacBook Air with 1.6 ghtz Intel core I5 with 8GB of Ram and freezes up at all my outdoor events and I had a laptop cooling pad and it didn’t work. I might look into getting a PC
Hey! I'm from Australia where heat is a major part of life. I run a PC but I was just wondering if Mac engineer their machines to work under hot conditions in countries that are known as bloody hot!
Been using built up HP laptops for years w/o heat problems here in Sunny Hot on 🔥 California. At the most I run a laptop fan underneath it. I have had my screen black out due to direct sunlight on it but it kept running fine and once shaded the screen returned to normal. I'm outside for 2/3 of my gigs.
When i do run a Digi Laptop setup i have run a ASUS Gaming Laptop with Massive funs so i was in good shape and only running a Vestax VCI300 - fun controller and i prefer the cue Loop option as opposed to a seperate loop
I've been using my Macbook pro from about 2011 until last year when the GPU died. Having looked at the MacBook prices now, I can't justify spending that amount of money, when can get an XMG that will surpass the Mac spec wise for more than half the price! I do however still prefer Mac OS and the one touch track pad.
Hey friends…you can stop giving me tips lol. I know ALL the workarounds. The issue is simple, they’re ALL still a workaround. I said it in the video, very clearly, but it never hurts to say it agin. If you wear a size 10 shoe, but you really want to wear a size 8 so you cut the back of the shoe off and now your heel is hanging out the back. That’s a workaround, and a silly one to boot. Just giving you some perspective. You can do what you want. I’d rather not bring twelve fans and an icebox but I’m me and you’re you. It’s ok. You don’t have to be butt hurt about an opinion.
Curious George here... I noticed you also had your Prime Go with you over the weekend... did you have any issues with it in the heat? If not have the laptop issues given you at least 1 notion to use a Prime 4 during those types of gigs? I haven't heard how the standalone units hold up in the heat... Love the channel!
Definitely have had this exact issue recently at a couple of gigs smh……one time had to turn off all the “extra stuff” in Serato (PNT, high resolution, etc) and was able to make it thru…..the second time barely got thru doing a sound check and it wouldn’t even load the waveforms had to run to Walmart to get a fan then it finally worked I guess after it cooled down……that’s seems to be the trick unfortunately because last time I had an outside gig I immediately had the fan running and didn’t have any problems the whole gig
I understand the objective of this video but I'd like to point that 1. They are two different CPUs. 2 The Macbook Pro 16" equipped with i9(TDP 45W) is known for having heat limitations while the i7 inside the XMG has a lower energy design (TDP 15W). 3. The XMG is made specifically and optimized for djing while the Macbook Pro targets audio/photo/video/production/editing and is more like a workstation. I think it would be more reasonable to compare the XMG DJ 15 to a future Macbook Pro 14/16 M1. On the other hand, your video is extremely useful to show that PCs can deliver great performance when it comes to djing, sometimes even better than powerful and expensive Macs.
True, but MacBooks are notorious for heat issues regardless of model. Comparing an xmg with a quad core i7 should pair up nicely with a quad core i7 MacBook if we really want to get scientific. The M1s are another animal altogether.
Dude I’m so glad you did this video… I geek out at this temp challenge stuff… great video..I had outdoor gig in parking lot 104 degree weather… Solution… Use a Big ass fan and Popup cover shade… to get air in whole system… I use a non-laptop PC😎… with three case fans running full speed….Yes I rented a 6500watt Honda generator … and the PC fans were turnt to max in bios settings. I could not take any chances… Good video my brotha!!!!
man i'm in the caribbean and my mac is struggling now with the temperatures we are seeing down here . i stream my live online radio show at 1pm which is really midday and the mac distorts and in one session it shut down . switch to my lenovo pc which is just an entry level laptop which still struggled but was more stable than the mac , and with out the overheating issue.
Here's the million dollar question? So that specific PC you have is built for djs and optimized for the beating . Will this apply to any decent PC on the market? I see tons of djs who use PC complain about overheating. So is their anything special under the hood of that particular machine your using that may differ from an average PC?
It all about heat dissipation. Some computers try to be macs and close all the necessary ports up or put an overpowered processor in the case which can’t be cooled effectively but the xmg is great for heat, I’ve heard the razor is great too. The issue is, at least with pc you have the option of different materials and vents. That doesn’t exist on Mac, maybe with the M1s but I have not tried one yet. I’ll see if I can find someone rocking one and do some testing.
Thanks for this video! I think I’m going to start using my PC at gigs! I been having a problem with my 2015 MacBook Pro i7 glitching in Serato and sound. I’m indoors but maybe it is the heat on hot nights!
In my contract I require cover over all of my equipment and performers. Temperatures must be between 45-85 degrees. It might sound bougie but I’m protecting myself and my equipment from all types of weather. No one is going to freely reimburse you for damaged equipment or care about your heat exhaustion unless you make them.
Bet reapplying thermal paste can help. That Chassis is just too thin for a high powered i7 or i9 and i bet apple lets the processor run wide open generating more heat and the heat has nowhere to go. The XMG uses a i7 but its a lower wattage i7 and it doesn't generate as much heat. Thats why very few PCs have issues performing in high heat. Typically Higher powered i7's are in thicker heavier chassis like video game laptops. Or the thinner laptops that has a higher powered processor gets throttled so it will not generate as much heat. Thanks for the video.
I just got a MacBook pro found out it is from 2012 took it to Apple store to get updated to being up to Rekordbox specifications I downloaded Rekordbox software successfully the problem I'm having is I installed the audio driver for my Ddj 800 no audio through monitors or headphones have you encountered this issue
I’ve always had good luck with PC and Mac. I’ve had friends with Macs have me to come mix in their studios for there and they had way more problems with their computers than I had. Then they would come to my studio and see me mixing sessions in PT with high track counts on a Toshiba desktop replacement laptop with no problems. And they still criticized me… ( I had a souped up G4 in a rack too ) 🤦🏾♂️ I use whatever is working for me especially if the money is coming in… but my friends will almost jump me over this ongoing PC-Mac debate.. 🤦🏾♂️ I swear I don’t get it.
While my MacBook pro fans were being repaired I bought a macbook air. I believe it was a m2 version. It barely broke a sweat. I mean it never got warm. So maybe I should go with that option.
I just had a gig Saturday outside. I had my canopy, a cooling fan, a actual outdoor fan, and a stand and my Mac still overheated. Lucky I had my USB to cover but the distortion was horrible. I needed this video last week! So I could if took my PC!
Go look at my comment for the fix. It should help you.
My M1 hasn't given me heat issues so far, may be just once, and the fan kicked in. It's been a great system thus far. I wish they came in the 16" size
They abandoned production for the the last 2 years with the development and support for the 16 inch Macbook Pro. A simple firmware would fix most of this issue.
I did an event outside last month in the humid south. No tent, no fans, and no real air movement because I was wedged in the corner privacy gating and a bricked house. I was playing tunes and video mixing to two tvs from an alienware. No issues. The event lasted 6 hours. 400p till 10p. The sun didn't set until 815ish.
I like my Macs but the heat down here is on another level. I lived and learned.
Good information!
Hey Terry, recently discovered your channel and love your videos. A couple of things. I've been a mobile DJ now for about 12 years now, in the Caribbean - Trinidad and Tobago to be specific - so we know about heat! I've used both PC's and Macs. I love Macs though and I had a MacBook Pro 2011 as my main DJ workhorse over that time, until it recently died. One of the main things I discovered over the years is that the thermal paste on MacBooks does degrade quickly, as the MBP is worked. My cpu went from low usage in the early days to 99% despite upgrading to SSD, 16GB Ram and so on to try to counteract. So I would point the finger at thermal paste. I just got a MacBook Air M1. This is the best laptop I ever owned. It runs all the DJ software (Serato is my first choice) with no issues. I was worried from some reviews that it could not handle streaming from OBS and run Serato at same time, but no issues! The MBA M1 does not even get hot with Serato/OBS/other software all running and most importantly - no audio latency, stutter or overheating at all. I used to have a dual setup with an iPad to run Streamlabs OBS and only DJ software via the MBP, now the MBA M1 runs everything like a champ! #RiddimDojo
I own a Prime 2. End of July I was the house DJ for an outdoor concert from 10am to 10pm. Luckily I was in a gazebo. But overheating of equipment could have been an issue. But I’m happy to report that the Prime 2 had zero issues.
Switching from Serato to Rekordbox has lessened the CPU usage on my (2) 2015 MacBook Pros. Have always used a cooling fan base for outdoor events and no heat issues. I still use a tent or stay shaded as much as possible. Sometimes I bring a floor fan for those extra hot days. Work around, sure. But I would do the same if I need to run my backup PC Lenovo. No sweaty balls either 😂
I have a 2015 MBP also and I find that Rekordbox makes it run way hotter and uses alot more CPU than Serato.
It’s funny that everyone experiences it differently
In Israel you can go over the most famous DJs and they use only the 2015 and lower. Why? Because this is the last gen that had the 2 fans and can deal with the heat here. The best tips I can give from my experience is pretty much what Jesse said and get a backup one which can handle heat well. Also you can download Macs Fan Control which is awesome for cranking up the fans whenever you need it by 2 clicks.
Man in Las Vegas, NV good lawd don't get me start it. I been looking into getting a XMG for just a DJ laptop now I really can't wait to save up to get this asap! For real. Thank you for that test review in the heat!
Been watching my Macs overheat since 2011. Tip: #1: turn off your discrete video card if at all possible. Tip #2: a lot of times (especially with the new 16" Macs it's the actual USB-C port that's hot and not the whole computer. (had my 16" crash on me twice during a twitch stream in an air conditioned basement 🥴) so Tip #2.5 i guess? leave any and all ports unused that you can. at home i run one cable out to a hub and it's been working well. Tip #3: this is egregious but if you gotta play outside i keep about 10 of those lunch box ice blocks (like 5 bucks at target for 4) they are gel in thick plastic and don't produce a lot of moisture as they warm up. place them right under the ports and rotate them at long gigs. (this also means you're showing up to outdoor gigs with a cooler...but what are ya gonna do?) last but not least if you use an external drive (like me) the drive can also get hot 🥴 so that goes on a cool pack too. oh!!! bonus tip: keep your computer COLD as long as possible. if that means in your car with AC, if that means in the cooler or even the shade and ice cold
chasis has bought me some extra playing time. ok i'm done. stay cool friends!
Strictly PC guy here. I do many outdoor gigs in the heat. My laptop only overheated one time on me. It was in direct sunlight at the time on a hot 100 degree day. Other than that one time, it's never let me down.
Yes. Great video I agree. I have used my PC I live in Florida during the heat I have never had an issue. I also have a fan under it just to make sure.
I use Dell G3 Gaming PC, it has a fat fan and huge vents.. I live in AZ, done tons of gigs in the 100 degree heat.
I was running with that same exact issue, however I also had a boatload of dust and grime blocking air to the fans.. we all DJ in different environments and our MacBooks need to be maintained and cleaned. Plus now I also use a laptop cooler fan and has helped a lot.. 👍
I use a mac all day for production and graphics - but I use 3 windows laptops for my Serato rig - 2 redunant mirror computers on standby - all bought for cheaper than 1 macbook pro. it just always runs smoother with serato no matter the temperature. external fans always help regardless.
Video that i was finding its really helpfull...and i face this issue all the time .
great video! Same here I have a pc for the outdoor and any gig stuff and use my mac only in the studio
Ive deejayed summer pool parties in 100° weather with my 2012 MBP and didnt have problems.. I think that tank will burst into flames b4 it stops working.. Wish apple still made badass/reliable with all the "pro" ports we need! HDMI, several USB A & C, magsafe charger, etc.. How do the denon prime gear hold up in the heat? Might just ditch the laptop for outdoor events if Im not spinning videos..
Great test! Yes, the M1 is very different. I haven't had any heat issues in comparison to my 2018 MacBook Pro (the fans on that thing start as soon as I start Serato! LOL). I agree that fans and cooling pads are only a workaround.
I own a 2020 MBP 13 inch and have never had an issue with overheating. And I'm running Serato on an internal hard drive and also running Serato Video and Tidal at all of my events. I've played at venues in direct sunlight for hours with no issues. I also have a cover on my computer that keeps it even hotter. I wonder if this is an issue with the larger MBP's? Or maybe you have a dead fan or something? Bro.. I hope you find out what's going on. That would scare me. Have you tried sending it in for repair?
Do you have a keyboard cover on the MacBook? I’ve never had an issue using the MacBook outside and I live in the South. I have a MacBook Pro I9. I also have all other programs turned off bedsides the DJ software. I am using rekordbox. Great video Terry!
Thank you for this video. Newer DJ & I had a 4th of July event at a pool and my Mac Macbook Pro was randomly struggling 15 min into a 4-hour gig. The CPU in serato was running high for no reason. Had to do the whole gig from my iPhone. Was not a happy camper😡 I thought it was because of the heat considering where I was set up. ANY VIDS ON THE WORKAROUNDS YOU MENTIONED? Just in case I get another pool gig soon. I’ll look into getting a fan, I haven't heard or seen the ice bag trick. Thanks a Bunch, Bro
I recently had issues with my Mac in the heat. I've been considering using my PC laptop as back up. My question to you is ,how do keep both library on you Mac and PC libraries in sync and update? My goal would be to have my Mac (main laptop) exactly the same as my PC (back up). Thanks
External Hard Drive (SSD) and make sure it is on the formate of = exFAT
Great video, what year is you Mac. I have a late 2015 or 2016 and don't encounter this problem.
Do you keep a laptop fan with you for hot days in your cable bag? One of the flat USB ones you put under your machine? That would seem like the easiest first option whether you have a PC or Mac.
Nah it has something to do with the serato app,apple is still the best but it just the app,like when I Dj with the MacBook but I use virtual Dj or record box,I don’t have any issue of laggin,it only happenes on serato
What serato settings are you running the computer at?
Adjusting the refresh from 60 to 30 FPS helps a lot and increasing the buffer helps a bit.
Same setting on both computers. Different outcomes.
Great work again CT
I do trust the outcome of this test. But in all fairness I would like to see how both computers performed if the controllers were swapped. To eliminate that the controller's drivers are pushing the CPU out of the comfort zone.
But Macs are audio compliant therefore don’t need drivers for the audio device. Or did that change?
I actually have had the same outcome on both controllers. Calamitous gig log was using the 1000, sundays event was using the Rane one.
@@dwai1967 that is true for the audio interface part, given that the audio interface part is "class compatible".
The HID part which makes the Rane One capable to control Serato always requires some kind of driver (I think this is build into Serato).
CT what is the name of the PC laptop that you recommend? That will not over heat outside? And that is compatible with Serato DJ
Love the rant at the end 😂
Upgraded from 2015 Mac Pro to 2020 M1 Mac Pro, absolutely no issues!
Hi Terry. Thanks for the video. As usual, an amazing job. I'm a PC lover but I know how Mac is better in a million ways. About heat conditions, what do you think about a Stand Alone unit? I don't have one but I'm thinking about getting one (Denon Prime maybe). Do you think they wiull have heat issues? Cheers.
My prime go has performed perfectly in the heat, in direct sunlight. I would expect the same should apply to the entire prime series.
Question, was this a problem on scratch live from 2000s to when Dj Pro was released? I played a gig on Scratch Live when the heat was high 90s and didn't have any issues on an old MacBook pro.
I am moving on from mac to PC and plan on purchasing an XMG DJ 15 after this wedding season ends. Mainly just to not wanting to have to use a usbc hub in order to run my controller and soundswitch simultaneously. Ill hold onto my 2013 mbp for most of my everyday tasks though.
I have Macs and PC's and love both for different reasons. As much as I love my Macs, I had to install Fan Control bc Apple has prioritized aesthetics and sound(or silence) over function so Macs get VERY hot before the fans actually kick on... That being said...I still use my Macs for all my DJing and music production
Man that is the true and that's what happened to be outside I thought something wrong with my equipment
Let's not forget about the DJ hardware as well. DDJ-1000 is mostly plastic and the Rane One is mostly metal. Both have a certain limit whenever it comes to operating in either extremely hot/cold temperatures.
Curiois - from your Instagram post. So how did your Prime Go do in the Heat? Was it any better?
Prime was perfect.
I had the same issue 2 weeks in a row at 2 different outdoor events located in San Bernardino (in 95-100 degrees) with my 2017 MacBook Pro. I ended up getting a laptop cooling fan which I sat on top of a ice packs which worked out but I have to agree with you.
I might have to start taking my PC to the outdoor events when its hot.
Really interesting vid, experienced something similar even here in the uk during a garden gig ! I wish the new Macs had the connectivity of the old ones I don’t think I could justify buying a PC I’m an apple guy … what do I do ???
Thanks for the video. I played under a white tent and outside for my first outdoor event a few weeks ago with a HP Laptop. My Laptop was almost too hot to touch so, I put a dinky fan on it and it cooled it. I never felt my Laptop get that hot before.
It's good some people are reporting in that their M1 Macs are not overheating. I was looking at those but, I didn't like the 13 inch screen size. If Mac ever comes out with a bigger screen size then I may buy one.
I noticed at 2:31 that your the lip on your Pro X tray was aiming the other way. I can't do that with my Denon MCX8000 Pro X case because of the way the the foam is underneath. I wish I could do that. That lip is in the way of using a mouse and it feels a little sharp and uncomfortable resting my hand on it. I take the removable wood stip from the front and use it to prop my laptop up on and I use the lip so, my laptop doesn't slide towards me. I no longer use a mouse so, I will just live with it.
I have done an all Day Funk Fest outside in the heat. And 8 hrs in I had NO issues with my PC. It was 90° out and so hot that I had an electric fan blowing on me to keep from passing out.
I have a lenovo gaming laptop it works very well in high heat I recommend i also use a 5quade fan because 97%of my gigs are in backyards and 3%indoors being i live in Texas it's hot here 24/7 from April to December the low temp is 80 so I needed something that would peform thanks for keeping it real
Have u tried a legit laptop cooler under the mac. I am a PC user through and through. But a cooler may help u to keep using the mac
I answered that in the video.
@@ClevelandTerry yeah I saw that in the end ur explanation. Which makes sense. It's another thing to carry too.
This is great! I thought I was hot the day I came over to your place😂
Recently I was running virtual DJ 2021 and the same shit happened to me in a Gig 🙈 using a Mac, since that day I’m carrying a PC, Thanks, Tarry 👍🏼
I usually have a USB table fan (for both me and my gear) under the laptop stand... I know it's not ideal but it's just one extra peripheral. and it makes a huge difference
Had to start using a computer fan for my Mac book to sit on top of really helps
highly recommend using a MSI Gaming Laptop for djin. i have the GL6 and never once had any issues. i run serato and pioneer ddjsr2 i also can run anything in the background and still no issues or over heating,..
I've been using the Razor blade 15 2021 model. It's a beast. Running rekordbox, OBS and streaming with 2 cameras to twitch and mixcloud on a hotsummers day in the garden.
Only drawback the laptop is heavy but the cooling solution is beast.. Upgraded it the moment it got delivered to my house stuck a 1tb M2 ssd in it. Which hold my music
Another option to dj's
Also has a dedicated gpu and not apu
The problem with these machines is sharing resources
Thanks for a great video, I'm in Vegas and I can't do anything outside, I've got pictures of me with my mac in a bus tub of ice just to get it to play, still couldn't mix, but at least audio was not glitchy. Just grabbed the new M1 Max 16". Gonna see how it performs next season
how's did your M1 perform in the vegas heat? thinking about getting one.
I went with a PC. A gaming one with tons of fans, after watching this I'm glad that I did. Or if all else fails bust out the rx3 with a usb
Buy a Cooling station goes below Mac even outside I have no issues. Buy the type with 6 fans. The Zalmann made out of aluminum excellent and quiet.
Thanks for sharing this info.
Get a 2015 MacBook Pro, those are built to handle heat or spend the extra money and get a new M1. I had the same issues with my 2020 MacBook Pro, and I recently purchased two 2015’s. I live in Palm Springs so we get super hot weather and the older MacBooks work well. MacBooks with intel processors are meant to be in air conditioned environments.
Sooner or later, try a microsoft surface...until now it never overheated on me and I use a lot for long time in hot environments. Its fast as an PC, but the best thing is that top notch touchscreen. I never go back to a laptop. Its just so convenient, that its a pc but has every pro of a tablet without its drawbacks. An again, that touchscreen is speeds up the whole process of using the software interface, which keeps stress level so much more down, and opens up time windows for other fancy shit haha :D
I use a surface pro as a backup to my 2012 MBP
So far I’ve been lucky with my 2015 MBP and this is the reason I didnt pull the trigger on a newer MBP (pre M1) bc Ive heard so many horror stories. Like you CT I love my Mac but didnt wanna fork out 3k plus until Apple released a better product. We’ll see what the M1 pro models have in store, if it isnt up to snuff I’ll be looking into the XMG.
As far as I’ve heard the XMG is not available in the US. Would luv to purchase one soon. Do you Cleveland have a connect to the company that sells this pc seeing that you own one. Awesome video great information ✌️
It's my understanding that a "business" can purchase one in the states. Surely a business account of some sort is the key. I thought about asking a business friend see if he can get one for me.
@@ScojoDak hi Scott that’s crazy they would sell so many more units without that stipulation in place
My 2018 MacBook Pro overheated on me june 19th in the park it as 103 or more me and another dj where tented no direct sun she had a windows hp it never once struggled My macbook pro did exactley what yours id doing in the garage hp made a believer out of me i dj using mp4 video what specs on a hp should i be looking for. Thanks for putting the time in effort in this video im suscribed & notified .... Dj Skidd Abilene Tx
What year MacBook is this? It's possible it would benefit from the CPU thermal paste being replied if it's an older model. It's an easy fix that in some situation can cause a 8-10C temperature reduction.
2019 16 mbp. 8 core 32gb ram 2tb
@@ClevelandTerry ok. Probably not the case then unless there was an issue from when it was put together.
There is a way that you can make the entire bottom of your Mac a large heat spreader to pull more heat from the CPU. But it makes it uncomfortable if you ever sit with it on your lap.
But this is a great out of the box type demonstration between the 2 laptops. 👍
I’ve had to plug in an external fan for my Mac book pro, when it’s over heated in the past, it sucks but it works.
i did much fiddling on my mac including compressing files i use with Serato.Other tweaks were done but when broadcasting i use just my mac and my dj rig and i use fans on full blast both inside the Mac and a portable external machine too.I also switch off all un needed software and wire myself to the internet to insure a better uninterrupted broadcast.Macs currently get very hot and i have to do all these things to make sure i dont get that god awful crunchy sound while broadcasting.Today the new Mac book pro range is being officially announced.Making a cooler Mac would be good especially in Summer where it turns into a small heater in my booth which is quite a small area.My Mac Is not the butterfly key hot mess but a generation or two later but heat is still an issue when doing cpu intensive work so i keep my internal fans full on when using Serato studio , obs, etc.
To keep it short and simple, I own a 2021 macbook pro 13 inch touch bar. I've had the fans repaid once before. I was outdoors underneath a tent at an outdoor event. I must admit it was blistering hot. And I heard a familiar sound it glitching( the computer) immediately place a bag of ice underneath the computer and was able successfully about to complete my task. But for the money spent on these units why aren't they more reliable? Ijs!
Peace champ, I'm glad I chose correctly. This video confirmed that. Thanks champ...
I DJ using my 2018 MacBook Air with 1.6 ghtz Intel core I5 with 8GB of Ram and freezes up at all my outdoor events and I had a laptop cooling pad and it didn’t work. I might look into getting a PC
Hey! I'm from Australia where heat is a major part of life. I run a PC but I was just wondering if Mac engineer their machines to work under hot conditions in countries that are known as bloody hot!
Been using built up HP laptops for years w/o heat problems here in Sunny Hot on 🔥 California. At the most I run a laptop fan underneath it. I have had my screen black out due to direct sunlight on it but it kept running fine and once shaded the screen returned to normal. I'm outside for 2/3 of my gigs.
When i do run a Digi Laptop setup i have run a ASUS Gaming Laptop with Massive funs so i was in good shape and only running a Vestax VCI300 - fun controller and i prefer the cue Loop option as opposed to a seperate loop
I've been using my Macbook pro from about 2011 until last year when the GPU died. Having looked at the MacBook prices now, I can't justify spending that amount of money, when can get an XMG that will surpass the Mac spec wise for more than half the price! I do however still prefer Mac OS and the one touch track pad.
Hey friends…you can stop giving me tips lol. I know ALL the workarounds. The issue is simple, they’re ALL still a workaround. I said it in the video, very clearly, but it never hurts to say it agin. If you wear a size 10 shoe, but you really want to wear a size 8 so you cut the back of the shoe off and now your heel is hanging out the back. That’s a workaround, and a silly one to boot. Just giving you some perspective. You can do what you want. I’d rather not bring twelve fans and an icebox but I’m me and you’re you. It’s ok. You don’t have to be butt hurt about an opinion.
Curious George here... I noticed you also had your Prime Go with you over the weekend... did you have any issues with it in the heat? If not have the laptop issues given you at least 1 notion to use a Prime 4 during those types of gigs? I haven't heard how the standalone units hold up in the heat... Love the channel!
@@tpoole01 prime was perfect. No issue with heat whatsoever
I used Mac at my gigs but Indoor partys - I didn't know this I guess I have to go back to the shop... I'm very greatfull of that information... Place
This is good, but I would want to try a direct sunlight test. I do so many out door events.
Definitely have had this exact issue recently at a couple of gigs smh……one time had to turn off all the “extra stuff” in Serato (PNT, high resolution, etc) and was able to make it thru…..the second time barely got thru doing a sound check and it wouldn’t even load the waveforms had to run to Walmart to get a fan then it finally worked I guess after it cooled down……that’s seems to be the trick unfortunately because last time I had an outside gig I immediately had the fan running and didn’t have any problems the whole gig
thanks For This Video I was Going to Buy The Same Mac Specs, But Lemme Just For An M2
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I wonder if you could do a cold test. The same way.
Hahaha I did the same test a few days ago. Yeah my HP left my apple in the dust. It was sweating like a hostage
I understand the objective of this video but I'd like to point that 1. They are two different CPUs. 2 The Macbook Pro 16" equipped with i9(TDP 45W) is known for having heat limitations while the i7 inside the XMG has a lower energy design (TDP 15W). 3. The XMG is made specifically and optimized for djing while the Macbook Pro targets audio/photo/video/production/editing and is more like a workstation. I think it would be more reasonable to compare the XMG DJ 15 to a future Macbook Pro 14/16 M1. On the other hand, your video is extremely useful to show that PCs can deliver great performance when it comes to djing, sometimes even better than powerful and expensive Macs.
True, but MacBooks are notorious for heat issues regardless of model. Comparing an xmg with a quad core i7 should pair up nicely with a quad core i7 MacBook if we really want to get scientific. The M1s are another animal altogether.
Dude I’m so glad you did this video… I geek out at this temp challenge stuff… great video..I had outdoor gig in parking lot 104 degree weather… Solution… Use a Big ass fan and Popup cover shade… to get air in whole system… I use a non-laptop PC😎… with three case fans running full speed….Yes I rented a 6500watt Honda generator … and the PC fans were turnt to max in bios settings. I could not take any chances… Good video my brotha!!!!
Its not a great idea 😕 this was dumb he knew that u need a fan..
@@SUPAROCKINDJSMASH what? Did you watch the video ?
man i'm in the caribbean and my mac is struggling now with the temperatures we are seeing down here . i stream my live online radio show at 1pm which is really midday and the mac distorts and in one session it shut down . switch to my lenovo pc which is just an entry level laptop which still struggled but was more stable than the mac , and with out the overheating issue.
I wonder if You can adjust the fan effect in settings?
Hey what year is the MacBook?
Here's the million dollar question? So that specific PC you have is built for djs and optimized for the beating . Will this apply to any decent PC on the market? I see tons of djs who use PC complain about overheating. So is their anything special under the hood of that particular machine your using that may differ from an average PC?
It all about heat dissipation. Some computers try to be macs and close all the necessary ports up or put an overpowered processor in the case which can’t be cooled effectively but the xmg is great for heat, I’ve heard the razor is great too. The issue is, at least with pc you have the option of different materials and vents. That doesn’t exist on Mac, maybe with the M1s but I have not tried one yet. I’ll see if I can find someone rocking one and do some testing.
Run a Mac Mini out of a modified cooler. You have to run a monitor but it works.
Thanks for this video! I think I’m going to start using my PC at gigs! I been having a problem with my 2015 MacBook Pro i7 glitching in Serato and sound. I’m indoors but maybe it is the heat on hot nights!
When was the last time you had it cleand
@@CDRivera2010 I haven’t it cleaned out the two years I have had it!
In my contract I require cover over all of my equipment and performers. Temperatures must be between 45-85 degrees. It might sound bougie but I’m protecting myself and my equipment from all types of weather. No one is going to freely reimburse you for damaged equipment or care about your heat exhaustion unless you make them.
To me Seems like you need to replace the termopaste on your Mac
I was having issues with the same thing with the 2015 MacBook.Heat a big issue
How do you feel about the PC compared to the Mac now 1 year later ?
Or did u compare it to a M1 or m1 max MBP yet ?
amazing VIDEO
Bet reapplying thermal paste can help. That Chassis is just too thin for a high powered i7 or i9 and i bet apple lets the processor run wide open generating more heat and the heat has nowhere to go. The XMG uses a i7 but its a lower wattage i7 and it doesn't generate as much heat. Thats why very few PCs have issues performing in high heat. Typically Higher powered i7's are in thicker heavier chassis like video game laptops. Or the thinner laptops that has a higher powered processor gets throttled so it will not generate as much heat. Thanks for the video.
OMG! Ive been wondering about this Mac heating up
can you do the same with a surface pro?
Yes
I just got a MacBook pro found out it is from 2012 took it to Apple store to get updated to being up to Rekordbox specifications I downloaded Rekordbox software successfully the problem I'm having is I installed the audio driver for my Ddj 800 no audio through monitors or headphones have you encountered this issue
bruh, punctuation cuz...
I've always used a fan regardless of if I'm using my PC or Mac. I agree that Macs are worse at heat dissipation.
I’ve always had good luck with PC and Mac. I’ve had friends with Macs have me to come mix in their studios for there and they had way more problems with their computers than I had. Then they would come to my studio and see me mixing sessions in PT with high track counts on a Toshiba desktop replacement laptop with no problems. And they still criticized me… ( I had a souped up G4 in a rack too ) 🤦🏾♂️ I use whatever is working for me especially if the money is coming in… but my friends will almost jump me over this ongoing PC-Mac debate.. 🤦🏾♂️ I swear I don’t get it.
I use either the XDJ-XZ or the Prime Go, that way, my MacBook Pro doesn't overheat 😎😎
now if we can only get our hands on that xmg here in the states
While my MacBook pro fans were being repaired I bought a macbook air. I believe it was a m2 version. It barely broke a sweat. I mean it never got warm. So maybe I should go with that option.
no fans in the air, ya?
Nope
So, I just got the XMG pro 15 audio...
Ladies and gentlemen... We got him!!! 🤣
I run video at every gig and when it super hot like up here in Sacramento it’s a nightmare.. Serato starts cutting off instantly
I've been using a program to control my macbook fan. SMC fan control