Are I.T. Degrees and Certifications Useless?
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- Опубліковано 3 лис 2019
- Let's break down the misconception that getting a degree or certification is a guarantee that you will get a job in I.T.
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Not useless. They get you past the HR guy.... which is the hardest part.
Altair Ibn-La Ahad this guy has motive to discourage degrees to sell his courses, it’s so obvious
From my experience, my degree and certs did not get me any of my jobs in I.T. It just helped me get past HR’s resume filter. I landed all my jobs on work experience and customer service skills.
I just took the A+ 220-1001 in August and the 220-1002 in October and passed both on the first try. I got the certification because of changes that are occurring at work. It definitely helped, but you are right; the real reason I'm getting to move into this new area is because of my long list of accomplishments in doing IT for 21 years.
This is so true !!!
I started to feel that way but once I switch things up on my resume and made things more detailed I started to get more responses. Now I’m hired by a company that reached out as soon as uploaded the updated resume !
Big salute to you again zack . It absolutely happing with me right now .
He’s absolutely right. A good resume an a likable personality will get you far.
Yup. I'm pretty good at resumes, can turn on my personality for 30 minutes interview, and just landed a job. But I have no certs or degree, just an internship
@@nopedefinitelynotnahthatsnotme sheesh motivating me just from that news 💯
Hey Zach. I have been a follower of yours for about a year or so, and I think this winter is the season for me to finally dive headfirst into everything: the training, the interviews, the study material, exam-taking, etc... I originally wanted to have a CCNA cert, but after watching your video on A+ and talking to another guy from work (who has both, and was recently hired by Boeing) I've been convinced that I need to take the A+ cert. All this to say thank you so so so MUCH for your amazing work. I really hope that this channel continues to keep churning out quality videos. Keep it up brother, you're a Godsend ;)
(Also, be looking for that community member money in a couple of months from now! It's about time I coughed it up LOL)
Hey Alex thank you very much for the kind words!
I'm happy you are moving in a direction that you feel good about! Good luck to you in your future!
@@Itcareerquestions Thank you for your kind words and response! I did just think of a question concerning study materials. I know you've been mentioning ITPro.Tv for a while now-is that course alone enough to pass the A+ cert exams, or do you still recommend the combo of your perviously recommended books *plus* the protv sub? TIA!
Multiple resources are always going to be in your best interest. Whether you combine up ITProTV & Professor Messer videos. Or Professor Messer videos and Books.
Utilize every available resource that you can.
Many of the leading training sites out there offer free trials, check them all out and see which one you like the best.
Honestly being able to obtain a security clearance along with certs is what got me the job also being a Veteran
Companies like booze allen or boeing only look for security clearance. Your prior job could be a plumber, but if you have a clearance they will hire and train you for IT.
I have an Associates Degree and a A+ Certification and I haven't found a job yet in 9 months. I had 10+ interviews, but since I had almost no experience with the interviewing process I must have missed out on 4 or 5 jobs just because of little reasons, such as not having good answers to questions or just not knowing how ask them great questions. Other reasons were not a great fit or them choosing not to hire anyone and tight budgets. I keep looking and I've learned so much over the past 10 months such as my About Me question and communication without feeling like it's a disection when it's really just a conversation.
The A+ isn't enough. I recommend getting the N+, S+, and CCNA at a minimum. Apply for Level 1 help desk position. Continue to level up your skills. Get experience with Linux, specific cloud certs such as AWS, Azure, GCP, IBM. Also, consider in-demand skills in the blockchain. Show that you can build and troubleshoot a basic network to include a cloud setup. Show that you can set up a secure blockchain network. Go to Meetups where there will be startups looking for talent. That's low hanging fruit.
@@EdTowel-ww7yh That's exactly what I'm currently doing. I'm weeks away from attempting the Network+. Just reviewing over the exam objectives briefly and another cycle of Messer's video until I will attempt the N+. From there I will work on getting my drivers license as I think that is currently my Achilles heal. Then if I don't have a job then, I will try to get another internship, as I'm guessing the one year I currently have of an IT Intern may not be enough.
Did you get a job
I have a question to anyone who might know the answer to this. I have been into amateur i.t since I was 15 now 20. I recently got my A+ cert/network+ and working on security+ at the moment. But the thing is I have no highschool diploma but do have a trade in the i.t field since I love technology. I do plan on getting my ged for sure next year after I get my security+ cert. How hard would it be to land an i.t job for my situation? I have not seen anyone to be in my wierd situation.
This practice is undermining the industry. There will be a reckoning as more people find out and choose not to enter the field. If someone invests their time and money to get certs and degrees and people aren't calling back, then the industry deserves what it gets.
Im a senior in college, information systems major, no valid IT job history. Seeing This video kinda made me feel discouraged now...
Why would you feel discouraged I gave you some solid tips on ways to overcome some of the biggest issues you could potentially face.
why ? your 2 or 4 year degree counts as experience. apply apply apply
I’m going to give you a resume tip right now. If you have built computers or networks for friends and family, list it as experience. If you fixed mom’s WiFi, freelance network administrator - built, tested, configured, and troubleshot network connectivity issues for SOHO networks. Use your experience, word it professionally, and don’t lie.
I'm a senior in college as well, thought I wouldn't get IT jobs after my first 3 years of college. Through all of that I've been studying certs and schooling. I got my first IT job at my college just doing basic helpdesk stuff. I then got an internship opportunity through a professor that recommended me to it. I got my CCENT this October and got an MSP job from my internship. Getting the CCENT helped me get the job but the biggest thing I would say that helped me get that job is NETWORKING (not computer networking). Putting yourself out there asking for jobs/opportunities helped me get both of my IT jobs. Get a basic IT job at your college, it may suck but experience is experience. Two years ago I never would've thought I would be where I'm at right now. Certifications show that you are willing to learn so I wouldn't say they are useless. They also teach you fundamental skill. Ask your professors, family members, or look up opportunities for interships/job offers.
I fundamentally believe that if you get to the interview, they're generally already comfortable with you skillset. I really focus on the social aspect, smiling, being engaging, asking good questions, seeming curious and interested or passionate. I'm super introverted though, I leave the interview and basically collapse lol its torture, but I just got two offers and accepted 1 with this strategy. I have no degree or certs, but an 8 month internship as work experience
Im an experienced & very technical IT recruiter wanting to transition into a hands on technology role. I understand technology well. From infrastructure and operations to software and applications. I've placed hundreds of developers, QAs, BAs, PMs & a variety of DevOps pros. I have also placed countless help desk people, System Admins, System Engineers, IT directors, Network Engineers & Cyber Sec pros (Red&Blue). How would you approach my transition if you were in my shoes?
(1) Consider getting with a startup that will value your varied experience. Big corporations most likely won't because they love mindless drones that will only do one thing for cash. (2) Try to get a transitional role such as a scrum master or cloud provider account manager - get the AWS Practitioner cert and competitor equivalents. .
Luck also plays role.
Anticipating the answer: they'll help you get a foot in the door for an interview, after which you have to actually demonstrate that you know the things the certifications suggest you know, but the slip of paper means a whole lot less than the knowledge that slip of paper is supposed to mean you have.
is a associates degree better than a+? is a associates degree enough to get a interview or do i need a+ to get interviews. i haven't been successful landing interviews at all so hopefully this degree I am getting will help me get a job
Your desk looks like my kitchen table...open computers and parts everywhere 😆
i really expected more. You will do better next time? Thanks for all the other great and informative videos!
What else were you expecting?
As a rule, if it requires you to go into massive amounts of debt for a *possible* "foot in the door" don't do it. This translates to how most IT degree programs work. Stick with certifications and pay out of pocket until you can get your employer to pay for them. Also, obviously, experience is king.
I was expecting the content to be congruent with the title. No biggie....thanks for all you do.
Understood. Thank you for clearing that up and I can understand. I should probably change the title up some.
I think what I was going for was that they can be useless if you dont put in the other work to help make them shine. I probably could have drove that home a little better.
My apologies for letting you down. I will see what I can do next time to be more precise and clear. This type of feedback is extremely helpful to this channel, thank you again.
@@Itcareerquestions I studied hospitality and I achieved all I wanted to. I am now studying for my CCNA and CEH. I am 23 and I actually love the hard work that comes with IT. I never knew I had to study this hard lol
Maybe they're limited to only their geographic location?
Hey man, I’m a student at southern miss finishing up a degree in computer networking. I find myself hating computers, iv done the ccna material, python, C++, Bash,SQL,html, windows server , Linux server, CGI. The list goes on with these classes. I find myself forgetting most of what I learned as it’s always off in to the next complex thing and I’m a type of person that if I don’t use it, I lose it. So coming to an end at my BS degree in computer networking at southern miss, do have any input as to what type of jobs someone like me should try to apply for. I’m not really into computers, there boring as hell but it’s going to be a better pay hopefully more than working minimum wage. Should of been a nurse.
Change your career and find something you love to do. Don't force yourself to do what you don't enjoy doing. Maybe with your IT skills find a job and continue doing schooling on a subject you would enjoy.
I've actually gone in the reverse direction from the medical field into computers. Not knowing more about your personality, I will only say that it's not always greener on the other side of the fence. In the medical industry, everything is tightly controlled and there's virtually no innovation or creative thinking. It becomes rote and confining after a certain point. Burn out is very high and common. Consider a position that will take advantage of your education while appealing to whatever it is you're looking for out of life. The money will follow. If you think your degree will get you high pay ... you might want to rethink that.
Don't base your interest in computers off of school. lol. School makes you hate everything (I speak from experience). I had literally no interest in computers until I looked around my town and saw a lot of my friends getting really nice IT jobs. So, I started tinkering with some old PCs I picked up cheap online. After a bit, I began offering my IT services to folks around town. A great IT job opened up, I put in for it, got it, and it's been an absolute blast.
School is a lot of curriculum...it gets old. Jobs is all hands-on. Every day is a new job for me, and I learn something new to boot!
I am an accounting major thinking about IT.
I feel so burned out by college but if I choose IT. I know I have a a good current full time job for an IT resume as a WISP installer.
Of course this particular knowledge of WISPs is not applicable for much of the IT feels but i have to interact with customers every day and have experience troubleshooting what is going wrong with our equipment ext.
What work you are doing now
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Tell me who I need to talk to and I'll make it happen.
@@Itcareerquestions alright perfect!!!!!!
@@Itcareerquestions Hey I could set it up anytime just lmk my teacher said he would love to have you here to talk about Jobs. I can give you his email but can I dm you threw somthing like facebook or Instagram?
@@GravityStation shoot me an email zach@itcareerquestions.com
Hello everybody
I need help from the community that is in the field to help me out a little.
Long story short.
I am a passionate computer lover since a little kid. With the pass of time I have been learning different subjects (Linux, Networking, bash scripting, a little of programming in Ruby, etc...) I used Kali Linux in the past and are very familiarized with the command line.
But I mean with a lot of time and years because I learn all this stuff just because I like it and as a hobby.
Now years later I decided that I want to become a Pentester.
Well, but the little problem is that I don't have any kind of IT certifications or BS.
I watched the past videos on where you talk about the best Cybersecurity Certs and I do my research too.
But despite all of that I am still not sure where to start.
I have all the basic knowledge to start just studying Cybersecurity right through.
But the question here is that I don't have any "proof" of it, like with certs or work experience, things like that.
So... what do you recommend me guys, what do you think that is better if I want to start working on the cybersecurity pentesting field?
Do some basic certs like CompTIA Linux+, Network+ (To proof that knowledge) and then the cybersecurity certs?
Or
Just go right through and take my OSCP and start my path right away?
NOTE: Taking in mind that I didn't have any IT work experience or certs.
I am asking this because I am afraid of putting a lot of effort, time and money to get my OSCP and get no job at the end because due to lack of experience or curriculum. :(
Certifications help you get your foot in the door to start your career. A degree will help you later on in your career especially to get that high salary senior role 💰💰
Most click baity you've done to date, looking forward to the video.
All the bait clicks!
@@Itcareerquestions You have a good thing going dont be .....
@@keithbarber8775Click bait was unintended.
Employers value experience over education and certs. I have desktop support and system administration experience, Unix certs, A+, and Security+. I can’t even get an entry level cyber security position because they all want previous experience.
This is the main problem in IT industry. I believe that employers are looking for the ideal IT candidates that can fulfill their present IT environment. Some employers may not aware of the study contents (e.g. new/enhanced technology and/or features introduced in the latest software/hardware) in the latest relevant IT certification.
Do you get a job
They all useless mate, no one hires you without prior experience.
Hey you want a tier 1 helpdesk job? Where's your 20 years of customer service/helpdesk experience with 5 references? We'll call you back if you're selected.
Yes.. end of video.. learn that shit hands on
I only take the AWS certifications because my company pays them for me. I'd never waste money on this shit. I have some certs but I'm sure none of them were helpful to land where I am. Shit, when I was hiring people I didn't even look at their certs or degrees, the interview and practical exams were everything. I couldn't care less where they studied, which courses they took, blah blah blah.
The message that degrees and certs are useless is wrong. The best way to get into a big employer is through an internship. You won’t qualify for an internship without a bachelors degree. Quit sending negative vibes about degrees.
Watch the video before you leave a comment.
I did. Get a clue.
Oh cool then you just don't know how to comprehend words.
I.T. Career Questions idiot
Youre calling me an idiot two weeks after I told you that you couldn't comprehend what I said in the video. Bruh...you're either trolling or slow.