no but literally saying jj shouldn’t put his pain on kiara after he got home to an eviction notice but being ready to forgive rafe and ward after they killed multiple people is crazy to me. Thank god Nathan is here bc he’s the only one who always speaks facts and makes sense
"they did the pope and kie thing for one season and said this isn't what the fans want, so let's put her with jj cause he's the only one left" this is not true, people ONLY wanted jj and kiara right after season 1. i don't think you guys understand how much they blew up (even more than john b and sarah) so much that they were even asked about in interviews.
not having empathy for jj's situation and his tendency to self sabotage is pretty disappointing. he immediately regretted what he said but he thinks pushing kie away is the only choice because he doesn't think he's good enough. meanwhile, we have rafe who some of you (not all) have shown more understanding towards when he's just not a good person. sorry that's just crazy to me!
also why is everyone looking at nathan weirdly everytime he literaly says something logic. he's right about cleo? she doesnt go to school so she can help heyward and make money to save in the process. like i dont get it why is that weird
@@officialtoiletpaper they literaly say something about a character and then when its something else they say another thing , like constantly contradicting themselves lmao
Nathan, I formally apologize for the attacks on the previous videos lmao. you seem to understand jiara and jj the most at this point. and trust me, we all wish the pope/kiara storyline didn't happen.
the same here, in previous reactions, i often didn't understand nathan, meanwhile i share his opinion on almost all points. Not only in terms of Jiara, but also with the other characters.
i definitely agree that the pope/kie storyline was unnecessary. it was very random and the thing is they weren't even a couple, the writers basically just made them hook up to show they weren't compatible. i wish they would've just focused on building jj and kie's relationship since early season 2 instead but it is what it is... despite the complaints, i actually like the way they developed kie and jj's relationship this season. also jj definitely lashed out at kie and obviously that's not right and she didn't deserve it but also given his backstory and the situation he's in currently, it's understandable. he's self-sabotaging and thinking he's not good enough for her. kie was still really patient and understanding, honestly props to her for the way she handled that.
honestly I think pope and kie was supposed to be more than just a hookup but the fans hated them and tbh they had no chemistry so the writers gave up on it. wish they noticed it sooner too
@@sabahk yeah the writers were probably not 100% sure on what to do with relationships at first that’s why they decided to make all the guys have a crush on kie however they initially planned on pairing kie and pope together but no one was feeling them together in s1 and instead everyone was shipping jj and kie so they quickly gave up on that idea and thought about putting jj and kie together already in s2 but from what i heard they still decided to go through with their original pope/kie storyline in s2 but instead of a love story they kind of did it to prove they weren’t compatible which seems pretty pointless to me.
I heard that writers were originally going to pair Pope and Kie and JJ with Cleo but later heard how much fans shipped JJ and Kie since season 1. So the original pairing got scrapped. Which makes sense because their chemistry is better.
nah bc ain’t no way ppl are comparing billy and jj. billy was proven to be a racist from the show, dacre (billy’s actor), and caleb (lucas’ actor). he’s also shown scenes of him being abusive towards max (and most likely other ppl). If the show and the actors a part of the show have said billy is racist. he’s racist. i feel for billy as a kid, no one deserves to be abused. but just because of his past doesn’t mean you should ignore his actions. jj is just a kid who got abused and treated badly most of his life. but all he did was call kie a “kook” honestly anyone comparing them. pls just shut up lmao.
I agree that I ultimately wish Pope and Kiara wouldn’t have happened, but it did because the creators didn’t fully know what they wanted to do with all the relationships yet. Once Jiara blew up and they decided to explore that going into season 2, they had to finish the story between Kie and Pope, and I think they honestly did a pretty good job handling it and ending it as best as they could. The creators wanted to put JJ and Kie together in season 2, but didn’t because they needed to give some time between Kie and Pope, and I think that was a good decision. It also allowed for Jiara to be more of a slow burn, because there were a lot of hints about them in season 2 and even some in season 1. Season 3 just feels right for them to finally get together. Honestly, Jiara and Cleope have so much chemistry and such great stories, that Pope and Kie seem like a distant memory at this point. I just love the angst between Jiara as well. It’s totally understandable that JJ would initially push Kiara away. He’s lived his whole life thinking he doesn’t deserve anything good, let alone someone like Kie. Even though he’s had a crush on her since the first season, he never dreamed she would ever like him back. It’s definitely something he’ll continuously have to work through going forward. Realizing that he actually does deserve to be happy. I love that Kie doesn’t ever give up on him either. She makes it known that she understands and that she will always fight for him. They just make so much sense as a couple. The actors who play them also ship Jiara, just so you guys know.
rudy does not ship jiara 💀 he seems like he hates it every time he's asked about it, plus i don't think madison really likes it either, she's said in the past she would like it a girl too come in fr kiara...i think she just plays up to jiara because it's her job to promote it
@@bamonfans53 rudy doesnt hate it , it doesnt take to be a genius to see how stressed he is everytime he's in an interview cause he's scared to say something thats gonna get hate to his girlfriend. like she gets harassed badly like sooo badly thats why. he's very careful when he talks about it and you can see it. he's so anxious he doesnt even come on social media anymore and do maximu efforts to not interact with the girls if he can
@@faithlovesthemusic the actors have been talking about how it'd be interesting to explore jiara since s1. madison said she was proud of what her and rudy created this season with jiara. they definitely don't hate jiara, it's a fictional ship... what they do hate is when people can't separate reality from fiction and ship them irl or hate on their partners. doesn't help that people overnanalyze every single thing they do or say. like if rudy is a bit more quiet in an interview? ppl start commenting "omg he isn't friends anymore with madison!" or "omg he hates jiara" like honestly ppl need to stop with these wild assumptions and actually listen to what the actors themselves say.
Scenes that pointed to how JJ feels about Kie: 1x01 when he damn near pressured John B to ask Kiara out bc he couldn’t stand to see Kie being all soft & caring towards John B after his father disappeared 1x04 when JJ smiled after John B tells him that Kie rejected his kiss 1x10 when JJ looked heartbroken after he sees Kie kissing Pope 2x03 when JJ damn near pressures Kiara to give Pope a chance bc he believes Pope is a good guy for her (but then we see him look heartbroken when Kie kisses Pope on the cheek goodnight) 2x8 when JJ tells his dad “did you have to go after her like that? Everything I have you freaking ruin” after he sees how upset Kie was being in the car w/ Luke 2x10 when JJ quite literally jumped in front of a knife for Kie All these scenes have one thing in common. JJ thinks Kie is too good for him & he could never deserve her so he pushed her on to his two best friends who he considers to be worthy & better than he ever could be. JJ’s character really breaks my heart bc he is the first one willing to risk everything he is & has for his friends/family. So pure-hearted & yet he sees himself as this lowlife loser. Kie knows this & I think maybe that’s why she never pushed him, until now bc that one month being alone on the island probably made JJ the most relaxed & himself he’s ever been making him more open to letting himself be more accepting to Kiara’s signals. Once they got back, he got a taste of his reality & lashed out on the main thing that made him happy on the island. Sad af 😔
@@UriosEditz no one cares even if they didnt even looked at each other once the entire serie , they got a whole month and a half on a deserted island its more than enough to catch up feelings
you putting season 1 scenes like the writers weren't literally planning on putting cleo with jj over kiara, so they clearly couldn't have been 'hinting' at anything
@@bamonfans53 yup wasnt planned for s1 but they ended up putting hints without even noticing which is so funny to me. cause even the guy who plays pope said that he read the script and thought kie liked jj. like how do you put things like that without paying attention to it. also jj and cleo yeah those two would'v ended dead on an island lmao
and the guy at his right side lmao looked like he wanted to cry during the scene in front of jj's house , he was looking shocked lol , the contrast was so funny
kind of unrelated but can we just take a moment and appreciate how absolutely gorgeous kie (and madison) looked this episode? don’t get me wrong, she’s always beautiful but she is serving looks this season.
JJ really has it the worst, I feel so bad for him. Coming home to an eviction notice is the last straw. He literally has lost everything and now his home. I wish the storyline with Pope and Kie wouldn't have happened. I just feel like Kiara and JJ have more chemistry and are more alike. We can't really count John B and Kiara's kiss because first of all he was the one who kissed her and she backed away immediately. Plus, he started a relationship with Sarah pretty soon after that. It was more of a flirty let's see if we can be more than friends, but I don't think that he had strong feelings for her. Pope obviously did and Kiara wanted to try to like him because it's him, he's her friend and a good guy but ultimately she didn't have those types of feelings for him, which she let him know right after. It's understandable for Pope to be upset or hurt but like Kiara said they had already talked about it and decided to stay friends. JJ also talked to Pope, so I don't see anything wrong with it. JJ deserves happiness and so does Kie.
Y’all are forgetting they are in high school! Have you seen That 70’s Show? Gossip Girl? 90210? One Tree Hill? Vampire Diaries?!?! Everyone knows in high school tv shows there are large friend groups that mix & match until they know for sure who are just friends & who are the couples. Bc realistically that is what happens in high school lol, it’s just biology. There are 3 guys you think are trustworthy, attractive, & caring. One kisses you & you feel sick bc that’s like your brother (John B), the other one you kiss bc he says he loves you & maybe you can love him but no matter how hard you try there are no feelings (Pope), & the last one just takes your breath away but he’s reckless & a little broken so you just know you’ll get hurt but you catch feelings anyways (JJ). From a girl’s perspective, we always become friends w/ a guy to get to know him, but only a few come out of the friend zone. Kie allowed Pope out of the friend zone for one night & immediately put him back in. W/ JJ it’s looking like he’s been out of the friend zone since the island & he’s going to stay out by the way Kie keeps looking at him🤷🏾♀️
to some of the people in the comments…comparing jj and billy pisses me off it’s just so wild. billy is quite literally racist. just because they both come from an abusive household does NOT make them similar at all. jj has literally don’t nothing wrong thats just crazy woah.
@@XxCørpsegirlXxhow he is not racist pls tell me ? did u not see the clear asf racism to lucas “ there’s certain type of people u stay away from & that kid is one of them” & then the ep after when he found max at hoppers w lucas & goes straight to lucas & attacks him he didn’t even look or care abt dustin & mike he went straight to lucas saying he’s dead BILLY WAS A WHOLE 18 YEAR OLD ATTACKING LUCAS WHO WAS A CHILD HIS MULLET TOLD ME EVERYTHING THAT I WOULD HATE HIM & HE WAS JUS HORRIBLE AS A PERSON. POOR MAX JE WAS HORRIBLE TO HER & STILL IS EVEN BEING DEAD
@@XxCørpsegirlXxhow? explain how what he did to lucas wasn’t racist ? CRICKETS…bc it was clear racism & ur just embarrassing yourself & openly admitting ur racism if ur defending one
yeah nathan ur valid, i wish the pope/kie storyline didnt exist either. I think the writers didn't know they fucked up until they realized no one was shipping them and everyone was shipping kiara and jj which they weren't initially going for. They had to find a way to wrap up that storyline in season 2. Cleo was supposed to be for JJ originally (which is crazy to think about now) as annoying as it is, I try to look past it and enjoy jiara for what they are now
man, i felt so bad for john b, i'm ngl. boy was traumatized watching his father murder those guys and then have to help get rid of the bodies. and i agree, the pope/kie thing was pretty unnecessary. i can understand it from the angle where maybe the writers wanted to show a relatonship that DIDN'T work out because that's real. you don't always end up with the right person from the start, so i like to think of it that way.
as someone who loves jiara i’m getting tired of seeing the same comments every video💀 i’m pretty sure they know that jiara was being hinted at since season 1 yall have said it multiple times. If they don’t want to ship it they don’t HAVE to. You can’t force them to like something just because you like it and it’s popular 💀
i totally am aware i don’t know you guys fr fr… however, the treatment y’all give nathan lately is off putting considering he’s literally almost always right 😐
some of y'all's opinions really makes me question how y'all would react to certain things in life. Not sympathizing or even realizing jj's pain is really disappointing, agree with everyone else on agreeing with Nathan
That's a good ass point... if Ward felt bad for what he did then why not give the cross back to Pope's family. He literally fucked them over and they're poor.
@@migwigpee0796LITERALLY THEY WERE THE ONLY UNPROBLEMATIC ONES THIS SZN I KMEW THEY WERE GONNA CARRY & POPE HAS ALWAYS BEEN MY #1 CHARACTER SINCE SZN 1 & AS SOOM AS CLEO CAME IN THE SHOW IN SZN 2 I LOVED HER everyone was like “she gives weird vibes blah blah” LIKE HOW? SHE LITERALLY SAVED & HELP SARAH & JOHN B AND SAVED THE POGUES ON THE BOAT LIKE POPE & CLEO GET NO APPRECIATION THEY ARE UNDERRATED & POPE ALWAYS BEEN IGNORED BY FANS SINCE SZN 1
I kinda agree with what you said about jj and kie Nathan , like I ship them but it would’ve been so much better if they did it kind of differently yk , i wanna say sum else about them but ion wanna spoil so I’ll say it later on
nathan dont think too much about the pope/kie storyline. i get where you are coming from. but just take it as you know 2 teenagers whose attempt to be together failed ? like take it as a teenager thing and i promise its not weird like that
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I'm again with Nathan in this episode. I also think they should never have started the Pope Kiara thing. Yes, Kie is dope and beautiful. So I don't blame the guys. But she should have just remained a friend, one of the Pogues in season 1 with the potential to get a love interest and then see who it is in season 2. And then the producers would have noticed that many viewers love the chemistry between Jiara. Why was the kiss between John B and Kie necessary? Also just to create tension between Sarah and Kie, but in the end the kiss was never a question anyway. And Cleo is hired by hayward, totally beautiful and plausible to me too
@@meskoulaikrame6988 same, I just have to say something but I’d rather say it in hella small comments than a whole ass novel 💀💀 this is my fav channel, been a fan since 2021 so I get hella into the discussions
most people would agree and it kind of sucks that he got so much screentime. the pogues were also all separated for the most part which didn't help. for me jj, pope, cleo and kie were the highlights of the season.
God, they all give me a headache except Nathan who only says things as they are and with logic, the others contradict themselves all the time as well as saying nonsense things and justifying unjustifiable acts (Rafe) it is disappointing to see that they feel more compassion for Rafe than for JJ. Simply unintelligible and it's already tiring. It is one thing to give your opinion but at least give it in a way that makes sense xd
In short, I think that everything they say is illogical, they should see the interviews of the cast where they comment on each chapter, to see if that is how they open their eyes and their minds, which is that they have it too closed
Ok I love Nathan more after this reaction and why must ppl call anyone hypocrites none of you guys are y’all just have blonde moments thank you for having empathy for JJ Nathan his the best character besides Cleo i love all of them but JJ has done so much for the group same with Sarah yet gets hurt i love JJ even when his wrong I only tolerate rafe because the character is played by Drew starkey I’m on the fence with the comparing JJ and billy though I mean if you take billy being a racist out the question then yes definitely agree with davion about them being in similar situations but since his racist I can’t agree
Sarah Cameron daddy issues are shown so perfectly in the show, going from daddy’s little girl to daddy issues. If Ward didn’t choke Sarah, they could of have a bond like Chris Argent and Allison Argent (Teen Wolf) bcz that was the best father-daughter relationships that was ever portrayed, their relationship literally was developing. Daughters don’t talk to their mothers the way they talk to their dads. Sons are always the mothers favorite. Barry’s the only person Rafe could forgive that quickly 😏 Like why was Rafe so fast to forgive Barry for what he did? Maybe he has a little crush 😉
nathan if we being honest john b n his friends was already into some deep shit 💯 u can't keep saying "look what his dad is putting him into" when they was already into deep shii before he came back
This is true however if you, your friends, and dad almost died over something it’s about time to stop looking. Big John barely said two words to John B that wasn’t about gold. You don’t put your child’s life at risk plus he was gone a year it seemed like he could’ve spent at least one day with his son without it being about gold.
@@shniyacarter9496 if thats the case him and his friends should've stopped after the first time when he almost life his life in and out of jail , they all got shot at and so on , n im not commenting on what he did im replying bc he just keep saying he putting him in danger when him n his friends put they self in it , just like in the end of this season they going right back into doing the same shii again gor season 4
@@bmgdann1023 i dont agree with you but the last line made me laugh am not gonna lie. also tbh maybe for kiara and pope its true but john b and especially jj ? the kid doesnt even have something to eat so honestly the best for him was too look for the gold since he has nothing to lose
Nathan, not gonna lie homie but Davion ate you up w/ that JJ & Billy comparison 💀 both raised by abusive fathers & yet they both turned out to be different bc JJ learned how to love by being friends w/ John B since the 3rd grade. Billy had no one but himself until the very end :/
No he did not LMFAO 💀 You cannot compare a RACIST to a kid who lashed out because he came home to nobody and the worst thing he said was calling kiara a KOOK 💀 That 3rd grade ass insult
@@JustUs his dad was ALSO racist so he clearly learned from him just like he learned how to be abusive! It all starts within the household🤷🏾♀️ JJ is a thief & he also fights ppl too so let’s not act like he’s a saint☝🏾
@@Spicytamale02 jj is a thief cause thats kid with literaly nothing. he barely gets a full meal per week and its when he steals. what do you expect him to do ? let himself die ? he cant even do sht or get help in outer banks cause the entire population hates his father. also where did he ever fight someone unprovoked ? everytime it was to defend himself or defend his friends.
@@Spicytamale02 the things JJ has done simply cannot be compared to billy’s actions. We all know billy’s racist, based on the car scene he had with max and her being on the verge of tears clearly shows us he’s abusive and let’s not forget he literally tried to run over mike lucas & dustin just to scare his sister then proceeded to laugh about it in her face. JJ may not be a saint but he definitely isn’t crazy like billy. And if anything y’all should know this since they have the same problem.. how come JJ at least knows what respect is and yet billy chooses to do the opposite? y’all make no sense whatsoever.
Wait so Nathan you can understand Jj lashing out but you don’t understand billy from stranger things, thank you davion for pointing that out Nathan you a hypocrite my man and Billy was only 18 years old
@@bootaeful7252 when did billy ever abuse max you can say he emotionally abused but he didn’t hit her and let’s not forget every time she did something that the dad didn’t like he would get beat up for it I’m not excusing his actions but I can understand that’s all
@@Chasejones2004 yeah lets not minimise emotional abuse maybe ? emotional abuse is as bad if not worse than physical abuse. jj called kie a rich kid lmao. shouldnt have said that yes but nothing to be so worked up over
Having more empathy for Ward and Rafe than JJ is a WILD choice. lol
Literally
no but literally saying jj shouldn’t put his pain on kiara after he got home to an eviction notice but being ready to forgive rafe and ward after they killed multiple people is crazy to me. Thank god Nathan is here bc he’s the only one who always speaks facts and makes sense
"they did the pope and kie thing for one season and said this isn't what the fans want, so let's put her with jj cause he's the only one left" this is not true, people ONLY wanted jj and kiara right after season 1. i don't think you guys understand how much they blew up (even more than john b and sarah) so much that they were even asked about in interviews.
not having empathy for jj's situation and his tendency to self sabotage is pretty disappointing. he immediately regretted what he said but he thinks pushing kie away is the only choice because he doesn't think he's good enough. meanwhile, we have rafe who some of you (not all) have shown more understanding towards when he's just not a good person. sorry that's just crazy to me!
the amount of side eyes nathan gets from them is too funny 😭😭 he speakin the truth tho for most of the times
no cause i was feeling bad for him lmao
He speaking truth most of the time . We just have different perspectives. - cam
@@JustUs oh fs and we love that
also why is everyone looking at nathan weirdly everytime he literaly says something logic. he's right about cleo? she doesnt go to school so she can help heyward and make money to save in the process. like i dont get it why is that weird
literally. it makes sense for her to help out if she’s living there like??💀
@@officialtoiletpaper they literaly say something about a character and then when its something else they say another thing , like constantly contradicting themselves lmao
Nathan, I formally apologize for the attacks on the previous videos lmao. you seem to understand jiara and jj the most at this point. and trust me, we all wish the pope/kiara storyline didn't happen.
hi liv , also yes i feel so bad now lmao cause he seems to really appreciate them and their characters , i get where he's coming from now
the same here, in previous reactions, i often didn't understand nathan, meanwhile i share his opinion on almost all points. Not only in terms of Jiara, but also with the other characters.
Nathan, the only one who has empathy with JJ, thank you
its so heartbreaking to think about the fact that jj spends probably more than a week sometimes without eating....he literaly has nothing.
Why do they disregard Nathan all the time?? He’s right majority of the time stop giving him weird looks jeez
Because it's funny
i definitely agree that the pope/kie storyline was unnecessary. it was very random and the thing is they weren't even a couple, the writers basically just made them hook up to show they weren't compatible. i wish they would've just focused on building jj and kie's relationship since early season 2 instead but it is what it is... despite the complaints, i actually like the way they developed kie and jj's relationship this season.
also jj definitely lashed out at kie and obviously that's not right and she didn't deserve it but also given his backstory and the situation he's in currently, it's understandable. he's self-sabotaging and thinking he's not good enough for her. kie was still really patient and understanding, honestly props to her for the way she handled that.
honestly I think pope and kie was supposed to be more than just a hookup but the fans hated them and tbh they had no chemistry so the writers gave up on it. wish they noticed it sooner too
@@sabahk yeah the writers were probably not 100% sure on what to do with relationships at first that’s why they decided to make all the guys have a crush on kie however they initially planned on pairing kie and pope together but no one was feeling them together in s1 and instead everyone was shipping jj and kie so they quickly gave up on that idea and thought about putting jj and kie together already in s2 but from what i heard they still decided to go through with their original pope/kie storyline in s2 but instead of a love story they kind of did it to prove they weren’t compatible which seems pretty pointless to me.
I heard that writers were originally going to pair Pope and Kie and JJ with Cleo but later heard how much fans shipped JJ and Kie since season 1. So the original pairing got scrapped. Which makes sense because their chemistry is better.
They wrote the first season before having input from the fans. I don’t think Jiara was considered a possibility then at least that’s what I’ve heard.
“I’m sorry I don’t understand a racist” TELL EM NATHAN TELL EM!!!
nah bc ain’t no way ppl are comparing billy and jj.
billy was proven to be a racist from the show, dacre (billy’s actor), and caleb (lucas’ actor). he’s also shown scenes of him being abusive towards max (and most likely other ppl). If the show and the actors a part of the show have said billy is racist. he’s racist. i feel for billy as a kid, no one deserves to be abused. but just because of his past doesn’t mean you should ignore his actions.
jj is just a kid who got abused and treated badly most of his life. but all he did was call kie a “kook” honestly anyone comparing them. pls just shut up lmao.
I agree that I ultimately wish Pope and Kiara wouldn’t have happened, but it did because the creators didn’t fully know what they wanted to do with all the relationships yet. Once Jiara blew up and they decided to explore that going into season 2, they had to finish the story between Kie and Pope, and I think they honestly did a pretty good job handling it and ending it as best as they could. The creators wanted to put JJ and Kie together in season 2, but didn’t because they needed to give some time between Kie and Pope, and I think that was a good decision. It also allowed for Jiara to be more of a slow burn, because there were a lot of hints about them in season 2 and even some in season 1. Season 3 just feels right for them to finally get together. Honestly, Jiara and Cleope have so much chemistry and such great stories, that Pope and Kie seem like a distant memory at this point.
I just love the angst between Jiara as well. It’s totally understandable that JJ would initially push Kiara away. He’s lived his whole life thinking he doesn’t deserve anything good, let alone someone like Kie. Even though he’s had a crush on her since the first season, he never dreamed she would ever like him back. It’s definitely something he’ll continuously have to work through going forward. Realizing that he actually does deserve to be happy. I love that Kie doesn’t ever give up on him either. She makes it known that she understands and that she will always fight for him. They just make so much sense as a couple. The actors who play them also ship Jiara, just so you guys know.
yes exacyly they wanted to start from season 2 but kie and pope kissed at the end of s1...that would'v looked so bad
rudy does not ship jiara 💀 he seems like he hates it every time he's asked about it, plus i don't think madison really likes it either, she's said in the past she would like it a girl too come in fr kiara...i think she just plays up to jiara because it's her job to promote it
I don't really think the actors like Jiara.
@@bamonfans53 rudy doesnt hate it , it doesnt take to be a genius to see how stressed he is everytime he's in an interview cause he's scared to say something thats gonna get hate to his girlfriend. like she gets harassed badly like sooo badly thats why. he's very careful when he talks about it and you can see it. he's so anxious he doesnt even come on social media anymore and do maximu efforts to not interact with the girls if he can
@@faithlovesthemusic the actors have been talking about how it'd be interesting to explore jiara since s1. madison said she was proud of what her and rudy created this season with jiara. they definitely don't hate jiara, it's a fictional ship... what they do hate is when people can't separate reality from fiction and ship them irl or hate on their partners. doesn't help that people overnanalyze every single thing they do or say. like if rudy is a bit more quiet in an interview? ppl start commenting "omg he isn't friends anymore with madison!" or "omg he hates jiara" like honestly ppl need to stop with these wild assumptions and actually listen to what the actors themselves say.
Scenes that pointed to how JJ feels about Kie:
1x01 when he damn near pressured John B to ask Kiara out bc he couldn’t stand to see Kie being all soft & caring towards John B after his father disappeared
1x04 when JJ smiled after John B tells him that Kie rejected his kiss
1x10 when JJ looked heartbroken after he sees Kie kissing Pope
2x03 when JJ damn near pressures Kiara to give Pope a chance bc he believes Pope is a good guy for her (but then we see him look heartbroken when Kie kisses Pope on the cheek goodnight)
2x8 when JJ tells his dad “did you have to go after her like that? Everything I have you freaking ruin” after he sees how upset Kie was being in the car w/ Luke
2x10 when JJ quite literally jumped in front of a knife for Kie
All these scenes have one thing in common. JJ thinks Kie is too good for him & he could never deserve her so he pushed her on to his two best friends who he considers to be worthy & better than he ever could be. JJ’s character really breaks my heart bc he is the first one willing to risk everything he is & has for his friends/family. So pure-hearted & yet he sees himself as this lowlife loser. Kie knows this & I think maybe that’s why she never pushed him, until now bc that one month being alone on the island probably made JJ the most relaxed & himself he’s ever been making him more open to letting himself be more accepting to Kiara’s signals. Once they got back, he got a taste of his reality & lashed out on the main thing that made him happy on the island. Sad af 😔
Those are not proofs
@@UriosEditz no one cares even if they didnt even looked at each other once the entire serie , they got a whole month and a half on a deserted island its more than enough to catch up feelings
you putting season 1 scenes like the writers weren't literally planning on putting cleo with jj over kiara, so they clearly couldn't have been 'hinting' at anything
@@bamonfans53 yup wasnt planned for s1 but they ended up putting hints without even noticing which is so funny to me. cause even the guy who plays pope said that he read the script and thought kie liked jj. like how do you put things like that without paying attention to it. also jj and cleo yeah those two would'v ended dead on an island lmao
@@meskoulaikrame6988 so like we said, they didn't have feelings before
Broo the way Davion sat up during the Kie and jj scene lolll too funny
and the guy at his right side lmao looked like he wanted to cry during the scene in front of jj's house , he was looking shocked lol , the contrast was so funny
kind of unrelated but can we just take a moment and appreciate how absolutely gorgeous kie (and madison) looked this episode? don’t get me wrong, she’s always beautiful but she is serving looks this season.
JJ really has it the worst, I feel so bad for him. Coming home to an eviction notice is the last straw. He literally has lost everything and now his home. I wish the storyline with Pope and Kie wouldn't have happened. I just feel like Kiara and JJ have more chemistry and are more alike. We can't really count John B and Kiara's kiss because first of all he was the one who kissed her and she backed away immediately. Plus, he started a relationship with Sarah pretty soon after that. It was more of a flirty let's see if we can be more than friends, but I don't think that he had strong feelings for her. Pope obviously did and Kiara wanted to try to like him because it's him, he's her friend and a good guy but ultimately she didn't have those types of feelings for him, which she let him know right after. It's understandable for Pope to be upset or hurt but like Kiara said they had already talked about it and decided to stay friends. JJ also talked to Pope, so I don't see anything wrong with it. JJ deserves happiness and so does Kie.
Y’all are forgetting they are in high school! Have you seen That 70’s Show? Gossip Girl? 90210? One Tree Hill? Vampire Diaries?!?! Everyone knows in high school tv shows there are large friend groups that mix & match until they know for sure who are just friends & who are the couples. Bc realistically that is what happens in high school lol, it’s just biology. There are 3 guys you think are trustworthy, attractive, & caring. One kisses you & you feel sick bc that’s like your brother (John B), the other one you kiss bc he says he loves you & maybe you can love him but no matter how hard you try there are no feelings (Pope), & the last one just takes your breath away but he’s reckless & a little broken so you just know you’ll get hurt but you catch feelings anyways (JJ). From a girl’s perspective, we always become friends w/ a guy to get to know him, but only a few come out of the friend zone. Kie allowed Pope out of the friend zone for one night & immediately put him back in. W/ JJ it’s looking like he’s been out of the friend zone since the island & he’s going to stay out by the way Kie keeps looking at him🤷🏾♀️
to some of the people in the comments…comparing jj and billy pisses me off it’s just so wild. billy is quite literally racist. just because they both come from an abusive household does NOT make them similar at all. jj has literally don’t nothing wrong thats just crazy woah.
Billy is not racist 😂😂😂
@@XxCørpsegirlXx yes he is ur ignorance is showing
@@XxCørpsegirlXx yes he is.😂 whar are you talking about
@@XxCørpsegirlXxhow he is not racist pls tell me ? did u not see the clear asf racism to lucas “ there’s certain type of people u stay away from & that kid is one of them” & then the ep after when he found max at hoppers w lucas & goes straight to lucas & attacks him he didn’t even look or care abt dustin & mike he went straight to lucas saying he’s dead BILLY WAS A WHOLE 18 YEAR OLD ATTACKING LUCAS WHO WAS A CHILD HIS MULLET TOLD ME EVERYTHING THAT I WOULD HATE HIM & HE WAS JUS HORRIBLE AS A PERSON. POOR MAX JE WAS HORRIBLE TO HER & STILL IS EVEN BEING DEAD
@@XxCørpsegirlXxhow? explain how what he did to lucas wasn’t racist ? CRICKETS…bc it was clear racism & ur just embarrassing yourself & openly admitting ur racism if ur defending one
yeah nathan ur valid, i wish the pope/kie storyline didnt exist either. I think the writers didn't know they fucked up until they realized no one was shipping them and everyone was shipping kiara and jj which they weren't initially going for. They had to find a way to wrap up that storyline in season 2.
Cleo was supposed to be for JJ originally (which is crazy to think about now)
as annoying as it is, I try to look past it and enjoy jiara for what they are now
I think this is the quietest I've ever seen Cam be during a reaction 😂
man, i felt so bad for john b, i'm ngl. boy was traumatized watching his father murder those guys and then have to help get rid of the bodies.
and i agree, the pope/kie thing was pretty unnecessary. i can understand it from the angle where maybe the writers wanted to show a relatonship that DIDN'T work out because that's real. you don't always end up with the right person from the start, so i like to think of it that way.
as someone who loves jiara i’m getting tired of seeing the same comments every video💀 i’m pretty sure they know that jiara was being hinted at since season 1 yall have said it multiple times. If they don’t want to ship it they don’t HAVE to. You can’t force them to like something just because you like it and it’s popular 💀
Like they're really waiting for a new reaction to drop just to copy paste their comment. It's not that serious...let them have their opinion
@@xapokalypse exactly
Bro you guys need to upload more outer banks man, stress having to wait a week for each episode, hella entertaining to watch 😂
i totally am aware i don’t know you guys fr fr… however, the treatment y’all give nathan lately is off putting considering he’s literally almost always right 😐
some of y'all's opinions really makes me question how y'all would react to certain things in life. Not sympathizing or even realizing jj's pain is really disappointing, agree with everyone else on agreeing with Nathan
That's a good ass point... if Ward felt bad for what he did then why not give the cross back to Pope's family. He literally fucked them over and they're poor.
JJ best character in the show hands down. Gotta fell bad for him
Seeing Rafe go from being scared of little ol’ Barry to now threatening him while staring him down 🥵
how does davion feel bad for rafe and billy but not for jj
Madness
Pope x Cleo chemistry ⚛️ the best duo
Honestly🔥🔥
Carried the whole season Fr
@@migwigpee0796LITERALLY THEY WERE THE ONLY UNPROBLEMATIC ONES THIS SZN I KMEW THEY WERE GONNA CARRY & POPE HAS ALWAYS BEEN MY #1 CHARACTER SINCE SZN 1 & AS SOOM AS CLEO CAME IN THE SHOW IN SZN 2 I LOVED HER everyone was like “she gives weird vibes blah blah” LIKE HOW? SHE LITERALLY SAVED & HELP SARAH & JOHN B AND SAVED THE POGUES ON THE BOAT LIKE POPE & CLEO GET NO APPRECIATION THEY ARE UNDERRATED & POPE ALWAYS BEEN IGNORED BY FANS SINCE SZN 1
I 100% agree that pope and kie's mistakes happened was entirely up to the directors, I just pretend it didn't happen and move on
I kinda agree with what you said about jj and kie Nathan , like I ship them but it would’ve been so much better if they did it kind of differently yk , i wanna say sum else about them but ion wanna spoil so I’ll say it later on
13:12 I swear davian be looking for any excuse to defend billy
nathan dont think too much about the pope/kie storyline. i get where you are coming from. but just take it as you know 2 teenagers whose attempt to be together failed ? like take it as a teenager thing and i promise its not weird like that
I get with the one dude was saying about how they added the pope thing
You guys should react to shadow and bone! It’s so good and the second season just came out
Not me still waiting on the 3rd Harry Potter reaction 😭 Please don't forget about me
I just watched this season for Rafe and Barry. I'm being dead serious 😂
It’s The CRACK ship ❤😂
(not seriously but it’s fun to think about)
LMFAO this was the shortest discussion ever
You guys should react to The Crow (1994) starring Brandon Lee, he is Bruce Lee son.
Brandon Lee tragically got shot on the set of the movie due to a prop gun with a piece of left over blank bullet residue, the crew thought Brandon was playing joke when scene was over and when he was laying on the floor he wasn’t moving but when they got closer they saw it was serious and rushed Brandon Lee to the hospital, the doctors did everything they could but it was too late Brandon Lee passed away at the age of 28.
Some scenes aren’t Brandon it’s his body double Chad Stahelski, Chad is the director of the John Wick franchise. The director of The Crow Alex Proyas had too cut and add new scenes for the movie because of happened to Brandon. They also CGI Brandon Lee face on too Chad face and the makeup artist made a face mask of Brandon face for chad to wear. All scenes were they don’t show Brandon Lee face it’s Chad
Brandon was supposed get married to his fiancée Eliza Hutton after The Crow finished filming.
After Brandon was supposed to get married Brandon was going to a sign a two-year deal to continue The Crow storyline. The Crow is comic book/graphic novel created by James O'Barr.
Before entering the Marines, O'Barr's fiancée Beverly had been killed by a drunk driver.
While living in Berlin in 1981, O'Barr began work on his comic The Crow as a means of dealing with his personal tragedy.
O'Barr was further inspired by a Detroit newspaper account of the murder of a young couple over a $20 engagement ring.
In The Crow, the protagonist, Eric and his fiancée Shelly are murdered by a gang of criminals. Eric then returns from the dead guided by a supernatural crow, to hunt their killers.
After his discharge from the Marines O'Barr continued his painting and illustration as well as doing various odd jobs.
The Crow sat on a shelf for seven years but at last he found a publisher with Gary Reed of Caliber Press.
The first miniseries was published in 1989. The Crow has since sold more than 750,000 copies worldwide.
This movie has the best soundtrack of all time according to Rolling Stones magazine, Revolver Magazine etc. and the movie score is amazing as well.
Ima start watching outer banks 😮
I'm again with Nathan in this episode. I also think they should never have started the Pope Kiara thing. Yes, Kie is dope and beautiful. So I don't blame the guys. But she should have just remained a friend, one of the Pogues in season 1 with the potential to get a love interest and then see who it is in season 2. And then the producers would have noticed that many viewers love the chemistry between Jiara. Why was the kiss between John B and Kie necessary? Also just to create tension between Sarah and Kie, but in the end the kiss was never a question anyway. And Cleo is hired by hayward, totally beautiful and plausible to me too
Also, I was live-commenting while watching y’all’s reaction lolol sorry (not sorry) for the multiple comments 🤭
you are not alone i commented like 30 times lmao like i cant help myself comment on something i dont agree with
@@meskoulaikrame6988 same, I just have to say something but I’d rather say it in hella small comments than a whole ass novel 💀💀 this is my fav channel, been a fan since 2021 so I get hella into the discussions
@@meskoulaikrame6988 yeah same
Tbh John Bs dad is so boring like I’m not interested in their storyline at all
most people would agree and it kind of sucks that he got so much screentime. the pogues were also all separated for the most part which didn't help. for me jj, pope, cleo and kie were the highlights of the season.
God, they all give me a headache except Nathan who only says things as they are and with logic, the others contradict themselves all the time as well as saying nonsense things and justifying unjustifiable acts (Rafe) it is disappointing to see that they feel more compassion for Rafe than for JJ. Simply unintelligible and it's already tiring. It is one thing to give your opinion but at least give it in a way that makes sense xd
In short, I think that everything they say is illogical, they should see the interviews of the cast where they comment on each chapter, to see if that is how they open their eyes and their minds, which is that they have it too closed
You may be highly misunderstanding what were saying . We ADORE JJ. Just were a glass half full type people and we enjoy villainous characters- cam
@@JustUs I said that in general not only this video reaction but yeah keep enjoy (I don't speak english so I don't know if I wrote that good, sorry)
YAYYYYY BOUT TO WATCH THIS
Ok I love Nathan more after this reaction and why must ppl call anyone hypocrites none of you guys are y’all just have blonde moments thank you for having empathy for JJ Nathan his the best character besides Cleo i love all of them but JJ has done so much for the group same with Sarah yet gets hurt i love JJ even when his wrong I only tolerate rafe because the character is played by Drew starkey I’m on the fence with the comparing JJ and billy though I mean if you take billy being a racist out the question then yes definitely agree with davion about them being in similar situations but since his racist I can’t agree
whens the ep 5 reaction coming out?
Sarah Cameron daddy issues are shown so perfectly in the show, going from daddy’s little girl to daddy issues. If Ward didn’t choke Sarah, they could of have a bond like Chris Argent and Allison Argent (Teen Wolf) bcz that was the best father-daughter relationships that was ever portrayed, their relationship literally was developing. Daughters don’t talk to their mothers the way they talk to their dads. Sons are always the mothers favorite.
Barry’s the only person Rafe could forgive that quickly 😏 Like why was Rafe so fast to forgive Barry for what he did? Maybe he has a little crush 😉
guys is episode 5 on patreon yet or not ? and if its not when is it going to be available
Watch the vampire diaries pleaseeeeee
they already did
John b’s dad is so annoying
NATHAN IS 89% NEVER WRONG ESPECIALLY ABT BILLY HOW ARE YALL COMPARING BILLY TO JJ WHEN THERE 2 DIFFERENT CHARACTERS WHO DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING SIMILAR
Finally
Let’s go
JJ lowkey wanna be me. smh
nathan if we being honest john b n his friends was already into some deep shit 💯 u can't keep saying "look what his dad is putting him into" when they was already into deep shii before he came back
This is true however if you, your friends, and dad almost died over something it’s about time to stop looking. Big John barely said two words to John B that wasn’t about gold. You don’t put your child’s life at risk plus he was gone a year it seemed like he could’ve spent at least one day with his son without it being about gold.
@@shniyacarter9496 if thats the case him and his friends should've stopped after the first time when he almost life his life in and out of jail , they all got shot at and so on , n im not commenting on what he did im replying bc he just keep saying he putting him in danger when him n his friends put they self in it , just like in the end of this season they going right back into doing the same shii again gor season 4
@@bmgdann1023 i dont agree with you but the last line made me laugh am not gonna lie. also tbh maybe for kiara and pope its true but john b and especially jj ? the kid doesnt even have something to eat so honestly the best for him was too look for the gold since he has nothing to lose
Nathan, not gonna lie homie but Davion ate you up w/ that JJ & Billy comparison 💀 both raised by abusive fathers & yet they both turned out to be different bc JJ learned how to love by being friends w/ John B since the 3rd grade. Billy had no one but himself until the very end :/
No he did not LMFAO 💀 You cannot compare a RACIST to a kid who lashed out because he came home to nobody and the worst thing he said was calling kiara a KOOK 💀 That 3rd grade ass insult
@@JustUs his dad was ALSO racist so he clearly learned from him just like he learned how to be abusive! It all starts within the household🤷🏾♀️ JJ is a thief & he also fights ppl too so let’s not act like he’s a saint☝🏾
@@Spicytamale02 jj is a thief cause thats kid with literaly nothing. he barely gets a full meal per week and its when he steals. what do you expect him to do ? let himself die ? he cant even do sht or get help in outer banks cause the entire population hates his father. also where did he ever fight someone unprovoked ? everytime it was to defend himself or defend his friends.
@@Spicytamale02 the things JJ has done simply cannot be compared to billy’s actions. We all know billy’s racist, based on the car scene he had with max and her being on the verge of tears clearly shows us he’s abusive and let’s not forget he literally tried to run over mike lucas & dustin just to scare his sister then proceeded to laugh about it in her face. JJ may not be a saint but he definitely isn’t crazy like billy. And if anything y’all should know this since they have the same problem.. how come JJ at least knows what respect is and yet billy chooses to do the opposite? y’all make no sense whatsoever.
@@booklover007 hi i never watched stranger things so can you tell me more about that guy being a racist like what did he exactly do ?
Wait so Nathan you can understand Jj lashing out but you don’t understand billy from stranger things, thank you davion for pointing that out
Nathan you a hypocrite my man and Billy was only 18 years old
JJ and Billy are a crazyyyy comparison billy is racist and a abuser JJ was also abused but decided to not also abuse someone else unlike billy.
Billy and Jj are literally two different people.
@@bootaeful7252 i didnt know who billy was , so now am even more pissed. comparing an abuser to a victim of abuse. yeah no lmao
@@bootaeful7252 when did billy ever abuse max you can say he emotionally abused but he didn’t hit her and let’s not forget every time she did something that the dad didn’t like he would get beat up for it I’m not excusing his actions but I can understand that’s all
@@Chasejones2004 yeah lets not minimise emotional abuse maybe ? emotional abuse is as bad if not worse than physical abuse. jj called kie a rich kid lmao. shouldnt have said that yes but nothing to be so worked up over
Hi @Just Us