The first shot I ever took with a high-powered rifle was the 270, 125 grain. I was 12 and coyotes were after the new colt. My mom wouldn't do it, so she woke me up. I took aim at about 90 yards and blew the first one in half. I was aiming at the ears and hit him in the spine of the shoulder. I was hooked. I love the 270.
@@brendansullivan9162 And I’m pretty sure he has the characters in the story reversed. His mom told him to shoot the coyote but he got nervous and peed his pants while crying uncontrollably , so his mom bitch slapped him and took the rifle from his weak little hands and dropped the yote.
Just FYI: according to Hornady, the 270 Win 140 gr SST Superformance & 270 Win 130 gr. CX Superformance have about the same energy as the .308 Win tested in this video. Also, in these cartridges, the .270 will retain more energy at longer ranges; had the test been run on steel plates at 50, 75, 100, ... yards, results would have been different (and the .270 130 gr Interlock also catches up and then passes the .308 150 gr Interlock's energy at +/- 200 yards).
If you're shooting a 150gr in a 270 Win, you're doing it wrong. It's a flat shooting cartridge that can buck the wind with the 130gr. Go up to the 150gr, it's nothing more than a 30-06.
I’ve shot numerous elk with 150 grain Hornady Nossler partition bullets and dropped those elk in their tracks with one shot. I’ve never shot beyond 300 yards. With the 308, I find significant bullet drop and unreliable accuracy shooting 150 grain bullets. Which means I’ve had to shoot more times with the 308 to put down an elk. Don’t know why this is the case based on your video, but I do know my .270 is much more reliable for one shot kills.
For hunting especially as a hand loader the 270 is super hunting cartridge, more case capacity and higher velocity and higher BC bullets. Inside 300 yards there is not much practice difference but at 500 yards the 270 is going to out perform the 308.
No way! You know the 270 is junk. But, knowing that, I'd be willing to take it off your hands for a few bucks---just because I could use it for a tent stake.
@@maddog8004 don virtue signal . I grew up on pronghorn meat . Shooting 270 since 10 yrs old at every range muley elk pronghorn whitetail turkey if you wanna shoot a turkey in the head at long range I recommend a properly loaded 270 round, same as a pronghorn heart at 450- 500, plumb ethical with a properly loaded 270 ,not even a thing. No good to cast aspersions to some people who shoot alot 600 is no different than 300 to another guy snd then theres the thousand yard being the same as the 600 . Bullet energy more a limiter than accuracy but you dont need alot if you clip the arteries off the top of the heart, I-like to eat them.
A large 150 pound pronghorn heart is about the size of a fist. About roughly a 3 inches Diameter. 1 MOA at 600 yards is a little over 6 inches you tell me that you ethically hunt with ½ MOA shoots? I do care for the animal I shoot my boundary's are different and you do you but my kills never walked more than 100 yards (wild boar heart clip) and 90 % drop into the shoot. My current go to rifle is a Blaser R8 in 30/06 with about .75 Moa on the bench. Hunting, my max distance for that rifle is 1.5 MOA. but don't be offended this is my hunting ethic not yours I guess@@cedarhatt-vx8kf
Thank you for the testing. 130gr 270 is my favorite cartridge because it easily achieves 3000+ fps which just seems like a nice speed to me, although I am not shooting at armored targets. Today I shot one of my new Remington "Core-Lokt Tipped" cartridges at a Tide Pods container full of water sitting on a cement block; many thanks to Tide for making the best bright orange targets! The target not only exploded upward, but it smashed the cement block under it! Yes I do have it on video...
Yep, velocity gets a bullet to the target, but it's mass that pushes it through. Two 150 gr bullets traveling at similar velocity and having similar construction will penetrate to the same depth.
@@YourLocalShooter The 7.62x39 is not easy to get here in Germany... That's why I only have the NATO calibers and 30-30Win, for example... The Russian cartridge is certainly good just because of the high bullet weight - so I guess you're right.. .
@@hansrichter5607 Got it, sorry didn’t know your from germany. I am a American. I am blessed my forefathers gave there life’s to establish a free country where I have the right to buy firearms of multiple calibers and multiple types.
@@hansrichter5607 5.56 is no slouch by any means. I have both, a rifle chambered in 5.56 and another in my favorite cartridge 7.62x39mm. The iron sights on a ak47 are amazing once you have establish proficiency with them, but when you are first starting out you will have a hard time figuring your trajectory and hold for the desired range you are shooting. 5.56 is more forgiving. Once you add a red dot on a ar15 and a ak47 there is no difference. You can easily hit out to 500 yards with a ak47 with a attached red dot or a ar15 with a red dot sight.
I agree with most comments, shoot again with identical bullet weights and types. You have too many variables going on simultaneously with mismatched bullets to make a blanket .270 vs 308 comparison.
My two favorite cartridges in my favorite bullet weights for them. I hand load both on the mild side. The 308 with 150gr Winchester Power Point & the 270 with the Speer Grand Slam (I have a stockpile of Grand Slams that I will never shoot through 😊).
If I remember correctly you said that the 270 was shooting a 130 grain projectile and the 308 was using a 150 grain projectile. A 20 grain difference between them doesn't seem like a lot, but a heavier projectile will always have more penetration than the lighter grain projectile.
The reason .308 penetrated better comes down to energy and momentum. The .270 gives up 200 ft pounds of energy and is 6 shy of .308 in momentum (57.11 vs. 63.56). Newtonian Laws of Motion can’t be ignored. The .308 just has more gas to get things done and it’s harder to stop once it gets going.
Carlphilly, I never said anything about 308 being faster than 270. I was talking physics not velocity. What’s your point? Adam at WhoTeeWho is fun to watch, but it’s an apples and oranges comparison to what was shown in this video.
@@CARLPHILLYNothing rigged here. Hornady probably loads these 2 cartridges to different pressures. I really expected the .270 to have a couple hundred fps more than it had, but that's factory ammo. These comparisons aren't very scientific, but you should apologize to BB for accusing him of fraud
My first time here.I,m an old reloader and hunter but I,m 91 now and hunting and reloading comes from good people like you. I have used both rifles on deer’ I,ve anchored all deer (3) with the 270 add none (8) with the 308 ,for woods hunting I would suggest the 308 ,for hunting out west you may be better served with the 270. As an aside I was impressed with you speaking voice,it could be cultivated for many uses. Good luck with all your endeavors.
That's insane velocity for a .308. Must be Superformance or reeeeaaally hot handloads. Standard .308 150 gr velocity should be around 2800 fps. If you're gonna use an uber-hot .308 load, do the same for the .270. I want to say the .270 Superformance 130 gr is around 3200 fps. Not really an apples to apples comparison with the ammo used.
I know years ago the guys always shot the 270 against the 06, and could always shoot through more steel with the 270 , so not sure what happened here, I'm sure they probably had both rounds loaded to the max back then
I noticed his 308 interlocks were hot loads 2966 fps normal 150 are only 2820 fps. He slipped in hot loads againt the 270. Just check the specs he cheated!@@robertboyd3863
Depends on whether the deer are hiding in a junkyard, a cousin keeps a bunch of California compliant cast bronze projectiles in most calibers she uses for certain situations.
That is interesting to be honest, because I made it through 1/2 mild steel but looked closer to 5/8 with a 130g federal non-typical from 70feet. I do have picture proof too. The rifle I used was a Winchester XPR cambered in 270win which I believe has a 22inch barrel but could be 24. And for those reading the comment the plate I shot was angled
Can you say ".308 for the win"?! This is why I love .308 and have used it successfully in multiple applications since I was 14 years old, (I'm 63 for the record).
That .308 may have only 7.5% more muzzle (kinetic) energy (0.5*mass*velocity^2), but it has 11% more momentum (mass*velocity). I've seen indications on other channels that momentum seems to make more difference in penetrating a hard target while kinetic energy makes more of a difference in wound potential. One thing that also gets neglected in all these calculations is the rotation energy and rotational inertia. They get neglected because they are very difficult to determine, but both contribute to the ballistics and impact conditions.
Here In East, tn the 270 is the staple of hunting cartridges. I've shot it and 308 ALOT and I'll take the 270 majority of the time. Don't let half inch steel plates with 130 gr full you.. try it in 150 gr
Thank you these videos help me out a ton. I only have a few years experience with 2A and there is so much to learn when you have no one to show you. I went 2A when Joe stole the office.
BS "stolen election" has nothing to do with ballistics, and has zero proof behind it, in any of the 100+ actions... BTW, what "well regulated militia" do you belong to?
I was on the fence between the 6.5 Grendel and a .308 upper. you have helped me finally decide that get the .308. I just wish they all took the same primer size.
The 6.5 Grendel and 308 uppers do not fit on the same lower. One is AR10 and the other is AR15. You might want to base the upper you pick based on the lower you have.
@@kevinreichert3254 thanks. I am aware that they are different lowers. I was wanting to save money and just get an upper that would fit to an existing lower and also not have to buy another primer size. However after reading and watching some of the videos I decided to get a dedicated ar10 multi cal lower and a box of 5k unis genix LRP's. At least I have a good amount of D073-04, .30 cal molds and gas check makers.
@@bananaballistics I need something to smack the coyotes at 650 to 700 yards from my porch. I am tired of losing my goats. I think overall the reloading options for the .308 and the performance is worth the extra for an ar 10 multical lower.
Definitely....both in 150gr. 270 with 150gr and harder points like Game Kings may also be a good comparison.Due to the high speed of the 270, you simply need harder points for both and test again! Shall be interesting to know!
For the 308 those are Hornady Superformance numbers. Hornady advertises 2820 fps and 2649 ft-lb with a 24 inch barrel for all ammo except for their Superformance line.
That’s what I was thinking as well. I’m thinking he is hand loading and loaded the 308 hot while loading the 270 at average speeds. Load SST’s and the 270 goes through and maybe beats the 308. My testing on AR500 steel has 5.56 leaving a dimple at 3300fps. My 22-259 gets half way though at 3600 and blows right through at 3800. 200 fps would make a huge difference.
Been shooting .300 Win Mag for over 30 years so I totally agree with this assessment. I knew it was an awesome round long before stumbling up on this video, great video guys.
Hum. Have always expected 3000-3100 FPS w/ .270 while .308 can w/ selected loads reach 2900 FPS, but normally it comes in at 2800 FPS. Never had problems with either round penetration on medium game like deer, etc. Would suggest using same bullet construction and typical weights used for hunting. Very much enjoy these posts. Look forward to seeing them.
I have both cartridges and like them both. The 308 is a Savage 11VT with heavy barrel and the 270 is a Thompson Center Dimension with a "hunting" type of barrel. My personal experience is that the 270 is less picky about ammo than the 308. And I reload both calibers. Other people may have different experiences, I get that. I have owned three different 308's and three different 270's. The 270 is my go-to for hunting (even when I had 308's that were made for hunting). My current 308 is mostly for punching paper and steel at long ranges.
This reinforces my decision on the .308 i chose as my primary bolt rifle. My other considerations were the 6.5 creedmoor and .270. The .308 (7.62x51) was used for battle, for a reason. I'll probaly get a 6.5 still and have a few options.
A friend of mine's whole family uses 6.5 Creedmoor for deer hunting. They killed about 20 deer last year. Granted it was basically brush hunting. But they didn't lose any deer. I usually deer hunt with a .308 Win. It always works for me.@@danadouglass9028
Get a .30 06, I got a .308 and I like it a lot but it drops like a cannon ball. If you want a super flat shooting cartridge that kicks as much as a .308 but has way more energy then get a 7mm remington. Take my word for it. Then get a .308 after.
7mm Rem Mag is great round. I have one one. And have had a few over the years. It is a flat shooting beast. One reason I like the .308 is the bullet drop. It drops quickly and you don't have the concern of hitting something unintended further out. I won't use a straight wall cartridge unless I absolutely have to. They are not .308 level performers. .30-06 and 7mm Rem mag are vicious on deer. @@YourLocalShooter
Thanks for the interesting video. I have just bought my first 308 (waiting for it to arrive) and I ordered 180 grain soft points for hunting. I always prefer a heavier bullet for hunting deer and larger game. Better sectional density. Some folks think I am a bit nuts though, because I want the heavier bullet in the 308 to actually slow it down. I hunt in the northern rural woodlands mostly, and I don't want to waste any meat with a high velocity round at some of our most common distances (20 to 60 yards shots are common) But the occasional field or power line is more distance than my old eyes (or 30-30) can handle, so I thought it time for a scoped rifle.
@@grisher111 270 is faster than 308. My point was to slow the bullet down, not speed it up. That's why I choose 180 grain in the 308. Too many deer taken at very close range up in these here parts. 20 to 70 yards average, I have personally never taken a deer past 55 yards. 270 is too much. That's why I don't own one. Great caliber for other parts of the country though. But occasionally I see a deer out at 100-150, even 200 yards at the edge of a field or power line. That's the only time I would want any scoped rifle at all, and the 308 is great for it. Otherwise my 30-30 lever gun with open sights is the best ticket.
I usually shoot 165gr bullets in my .308 for deer hunting. I like the idea of 180s though. The bullet should retain more weight and mushrrom better. When I do load 180s I will use round nose bullets. Good luck with your hunt.
Both, my favourite cartridges. But these cartridges were designed for different purposes... now you know why the 308 was NATO'S choice... for military purposes. For hunting purposes, bushveld the 308... open plains semi-desert the 270... but either is still a good choice as I ain't never seen any animal wearing a bullet proof vest or steel plate armoury... 😅😂😅😂 a 150gr in 308 is magic round.... To me, the two most important factors in hunting are:- Nr.1 confidence in your rifle.... if you are not confident with your rifle... get rid of it ASAP. 2ndly, bullet placement.... remember you are aiming at a target, heart or brain, inside the visible or outer target. Angular shots need a different point of entry... Happy hunting 😊
I'm from Australia and know a guy who is a deer hunting fanatic here and he hates the .270 with a passion, he does most of his hunting with an old .303 SMLE which is ballistically similar to the .308 Also I think you have a voice that would make an awesome radio broadcaster 😅
YES!!! I commented on your other video about testing the .270 and other hunting rounds. Great video!!! I wonder how the .270 would fare with 150 grain with and without steel tips. Thanks for another great video. Please keep em coming!!!
An apples to apples comparison would be using an even heavier bullet in .308 in order to have the same sectional density as the 130 grains, 270. That weight would be 158-160 grains in 30 caliber. which is an odd weight for a 30 cal hunting bullet and penetrate an even thicker plate. Your test is very good and conclusive.
The case capacity of standard .270 brass is 11gr more water volume at 67gr total than than the .308 at 56gr, so if you handload you should theoretically be able to push a .270 bullet of similar weight a great deal faster than you'd be able to with a .308 bullet. Obviously it depends on the powder and all that, but all else being equal, the .270 has the potential to push similar bullet weights faster than the .308, and thus also be able to penetrate steel better.
Only true to an extent. The more you neck down a cartridge the more energy potential you lose. Just compare .243 Winchester to .338 Federal. Same case capacity and operating pressure but nearly twice the energy with the .338. Also true for .25-06 and .338-06. Same case capacity but the .338 is massively more powerful.
@@MrDan1509 I wouldn't say that. The 300 Win Mag is pushing a 220 grain bullet at 2,900 feet per second. The .308 is pushing a 168 grain bullet at 2,700 feet per second. Even at the muzzle that's significantly more than 25% more power. Take that to 300 yards and that Win mag has much less drop and drift and is approaching twice the energy. At 1,000 yards it's like a prime Mike Tyson vs a drunk guy at the bar. The Win Mag is in a league well above .308.
It is so much fun, watching the new generation learn things about guns as if it’s the first time it’s ever been discovered, I love it. I am less interested, and their lack of knowledge of history, that we’ve already discovered all the stuff along long ago, but it is fun to see that they are learning it by themselves is a good thing. It is funny as hell but it’s a good thing.
Lots of cartridges beat it on paper, but reality is a mean bitch to all of them. I think the .308 is more than enough gun than most people will ever need, and I'm actually more of a .30-'06 fan.
@@joshrandall3632I like the 06 but there is just something special about a Savage 99 in 308. The ultimate North American woods rifle… and does ok in more open country as well
Interesting. I shoot 160 gr Nossler partition for Moose and Elk. At 50 yards the 160 gr punches a clean hole through a 5/8 steel plate. The 270 is my go-to rifle for anything I hunt in my home of British Columbia, from 130 gr for deer to 160 for bears and other big game. Thanks for the comparisons you do, I really enjoy them!😁
As a kid I started hunting deer with an old 12ga shotgun with the old pumpkin balls, then I bought an old 303 British infield with all the wood that came on it with the bayonet on it, the clip held 9 shots, and it took me a few times to figured out that it was a snipper stile Riffel it had three levels of sites on it and I got real good with it was knocking down deer 6-8 hundred yards but the gun was so heavy it was not the gun to walk around in the woods all day it was the gun for a prop in a deer stand or a tripod, then my grandfather gave my his 308 Winchester model 94 simmy automatic 5 shot clip with a 40 power scope, oh my God it is a badass gun and at least half the weight of the 303 and just as deadly in the same range I have shot deer through trees when they were trying ti hide behind them, sorry for rambling guys love my 308's I have three different models of gun that are 308 best cal.I have ever shot good video god bless all stay safe
I have shot them both and personal preference is .308 in Bolt gun… Proper Sighting devices … proper ammo for the mission … like are we hunting Texas Hill Country White Tails or Elk ..
Momentum (p) is the physical measurement that best describes penetrative characteristics. This is mass x velocity. A bit different than kinetic energy and tends to favor more massive rounds over faster rounds. Powder grains in each of the cartridges should also be standardized.
What charts you looking at. THATS IMPOSSIBLE. THE 30 CALIBER IS BIGGER, HAS MORE MUZZLE ENERGY AND THE 150 GR RETAINS MORE ENERGY IN LE OF ITS GREATER SECTIONAL DENSITY AND VELICITY.
Before I watch The 270 is my favorite flatter shooting i use 150 gr. when i Hung up the Lever 30-30 I have been a 270 ,Browing a Bolt Browning semiautomatic Bar Ruler .Reguardless i will be keeping The 270 . Thanks .
You know you should test the new 6.8x51/ 277 Fury, by Sig, in the near future. The Army's primary reason for wanting to change rounds is body armor penetration so let's see it in the sled.
I’m actually interested to see if it lives up to the hype. When I read up on it and the new rifle, it was a great sales pitch….. it I want to see what it can really do
As soon as I saw the velocity comparison it was easy to see that .308 would win. Close to the same velocity with a much heavier bullet means better penetration.
Except the velocities are very suspect in my book. The 308’s velocity is 150 fps faster that what Hornady lists for the Interlock. The velocity is consistent with Hornady’s fastest load, the SST. If he shot the 270 at SST velocities, it would be 3200 fps.
The 30 Cal is King of the deer woods! ive used a .308 since i was 12 so for the last 23 years and it does the job every time! i totally expect the .270 to penetrate deeper because the faster speed and less surface area, but nope the OL .308 does it again!...30 Cal KING!
.270 is better for longer range hunting by comparison. But they're both relative to each other power wise. The. 270 is only slightly more powerful, and by that, I mean just barely. A 150 grain .270 is only about 50 to 100 foot lbs more powerful than a 150 grain .308. So it's negligible at best! Overall, I like .308 Winchester more because of the more versatile grain weights, and the fact I'm a sucker for 30 calibers and prefer em' over any other caliber size.
Go for the 30-06 and a 270. you got more oomph (technical term for "hurtin") in the 30-06 but nicer long shots with the 270 and you only have to stock one brass.
I've been shooting since I was 8 or 9 years old so 50 yrs or so, spent 10 years in the military. I'm not an expert but people get so carried away with caliber and ballistics, bottom line rounds like 30-30 308 3.06 are all old but good all round calibers that are easily sourced pretty much anywhere. And if I had only 3 choices for long firearms in my house it would be a 308, .22 and 12 gauge. End of the day its a personal preference.
I’m a huge fan of both these cartridges! I’ve killed so many deer with both, I’ve lost count. But I will tell you, the 270 kills better, without a doubt. The majority of the whitetails shot with the 270 drop dead, or only take a few steps. The ones shot with 308, the majority of them have run, or have made it considerably further before dropping. Just my observation.
Might be related to other factors like angles and shot placement. You can easily see from these results that the .308 makes a bigger hole. And at least in this test, penetrated more.
Another great video Double B. ❤ I like both cartridges. The 308 always seems to win every contest tho. Keep this highly intellectual content coming steady. What are you doing for Halloween? You need a bloody lab coat, a monocle and steth.
It would be interesting to see the difference between them if a monolithic bullet was used. A solid copper bullet non expanding for a true apples to apples comparison. The energy is more with the 308 but it also has a larger area to push through. Eliminate the variables in bullet construction such as jacket thickness and internal lead hardness.
The test results surprised me. I thought the 270 would have a bigger punch. I wonder if the 270 would have punched through the 5/8 steel with a heavier bullet.
I know years ago the guys would compare the 270 with the 30-06 and they always got the 270 to shoot through more than they could the 06 , would shoot at the web on a piece of railroad track , I daresay they were reloading both as hot as they could .
@robertboyd3863 I agree. I do think a bullet selection, as in armor piercing round, will be difficult to beat when it comes to penetration. AP rounds exist for the 30-06. I'm not sure for the 270.
@@tyronekim3506 Back years ago my buddy and his friend bet a case of beer over which would go farther into a tree, needless to say my friend slipped an armor piercing round into his 06, the guy never did figure out how he got beat so bad, used to buy them all the time for next to nothing
For those that think the 270 shoots higher bc bullets then the 308, well thats not the case anymore. Comparing hornady eldx bullets from each caliber we find the 270 has a 145 grain with a bc .536 and sectional density of .270 compared to the 178 grain eldx 308 bullet, with a bc of .535 and a sectional density of .268 😂😂 nearly identical, and you can push the 178 up to 2700fps plus
Not sure what load the.270 was at, but I recall from ballistic charts, more muzzle energy than you showed? And, quite a light bullet... might be a better comparison with ball ammunition, not subject to breakup? Anyway, it's what it is, for your test...
Up the 270 to the 150 gr. For a more balanced comparison. And run the test again. What is the distance from the target to the bench? Would love to see the results then.
I have both calibers but I really like the .270 for hunting, why???? I've taken deer, pronghorn, black bear and elk with it. The 308 is okay but I grab the 270 always when I head out for deer size animals. Thanks for sharing it was very informative. Two thumbs up. 👍👍
In Italy for mountain and open plains for me 27o with 130grains is the winner When in the bush or wood 3o8 with 165 graind is preferable 270 perfect fot deer up to 60 kilograms while 308 is for wildhogs up to 150kilograms. For formal shooting prone 155 grains Sierra make 35 millimeters groups
There is lots of data from experiments in WWII when folks got into the physics of penetrating armour as if peoples lives depended on it! In general for solid armour piercing shot, energy and thus velocity was king but the cross sectional area of the projectile was also a factor. Larger shot was somewhat helpful, even at the same or similar speeds. Thus there was a caliber progression from 37 mm..to 57mm to 75 mm to 76mm to 90mm in the American antitank cannon effort with the Russians going all the way up to 128mm. I have formulas somewhere. I'll look them up. It has not much to do with how projectiles will act in less hard targets.
Just caught this.. Great test! I own both calibers and, on the one hand, I have no gripes really. Most hunters Field thier respective rifles with these loads: 130gr. in the .270Win, and 150/165 gr. in the .308Win. , sort of copying the original 150gr. load with the .308. I do agree, though, with a "head to head" test. 130gr in both, or, 150gr in both, and let the chips fall as you shoot. I understand the "Ideal" load comparison here of factory original to factory original loadings. This is fair, because its "what's on the shelf"....... As a recreational shooter, target shooter, and HUNTER, who is a RELOADER as well, then I make sure I have a loading/load history for what I am shooting. OK, this gets deep and very Nerdy with a few of my shooting/hunting/reloading buddies, but what the Hey, It keeps me on the range working the 2A, and at home with my family! 😆! Head to Head testing results removes any questionable static effects. You really don't have any, so eh', its almost a moot point.. lol! I firmly believe that if you had "comparable" off the shelf rounds of .270 Win and .308Win , past the 130/150gr. rounds to say 180gr. There may be penetration, and complete penetration of the 1/2", 5/8" plates. (Taking in account for unlimited money and time, both of which are extreme luxuries in the gun world we live in... lolol 😆😆😆!) Anyway, still a great test, as both cartridges are "matched" as loaded, both by power, and thier flat shooting at distance here. Both have thier "edge" here, and are held at bay by thier loading with the steel plate.
If I'm hunting deer, or elk, either cartridge would be fine. My deer rifle is a .270 Win, but i also love the .308 Win. as a man stopper. I would not want to be hit with either one, as i would be dead. BTW, I use Nosler Partitions as my only bullets while hunting. They are the best you can load.
As a hand loader I would love to see a comparison of the various Nato loads. I've got magnetic pills between 130gn to 150. Then there's all the goofy heavy 208gn amax over RL17 to 110gn lighting fast varmint loads.
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Yes, absolutely. Using a 150gr out of the 270 win would have made a big difference.
Talk too much
No, using a 165 grain in the 308 would have been equivalent
This was confusing normal interlocks for 150 308's are 2820 FPS and he was running a hot load of 2960 fps.
.270 with 130 gr should be around 3000 fps out of a 24" barrel. 2960 fps with a 150 gr out of a .308 is right around NATO spec, definitely a hot load.
For some reason he had an agenda?
These old cartridges still rock. Tried and true. I love both of them.
Agree 100%! 👍
Me shooting a 3006 ????????????
Could not agree more! They're both still capable cartridges and have their usefulness.
The first shot I ever took with a high-powered rifle was the 270, 125 grain. I was 12 and coyotes were after the new colt. My mom wouldn't do it, so she woke me up. I took aim at about 90 yards and blew the first one in half. I was aiming at the ears and hit him in the spine of the shoulder.
I was hooked. I love the 270.
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You didn’t blow it in half 😂
@@brendansullivan9162 And I’m pretty sure he has the characters in the story reversed. His mom told him to shoot the coyote but he got nervous and peed his pants while crying uncontrollably , so his mom bitch slapped him and took the rifle from his weak little hands and dropped the yote.
@@brendansullivan9162I did have a friend hit one with a 30/30 like that..
Could put both fists though it...
Only skin holding it together...
Youre childhood was amazing
Just FYI: according to Hornady, the 270 Win 140 gr SST Superformance & 270 Win 130 gr. CX Superformance have about the same energy as the .308 Win tested in this video.
Also, in these cartridges, the .270 will retain more energy at longer ranges; had the test been run on steel plates at 50, 75, 100, ... yards, results would have been different (and the .270 130 gr Interlock also catches up and then passes the .308 150 gr Interlock's energy at +/- 200 yards).
Right on the money, .270 all the way
Excellent Calibers , I have both but the 308 is the stronger of the two.
Ah huh except Hornady also do a superform load for the 308 which ends up pissing all over the 270 superform load.
Ya but this guy was STRUGGLING with accuracy haha. I shoot .270 knowing the benefits of velocity
Exactly right the 308 is for guys that don't shoot long distance.
150 grain on both would have made a better comparison
Definitely could’ve depending on the velocity of it
If you're shooting a 150gr in a 270 Win, you're doing it wrong. It's a flat shooting cartridge that can buck the wind with the 130gr. Go up to the 150gr, it's nothing more than a 30-06.
I shoot 110 grain hollow points out of my .270. Long reach and they are drt
I’ve shot numerous elk with 150 grain Hornady Nossler partition bullets and dropped those elk in their tracks with one shot. I’ve never shot beyond 300 yards. With the 308, I find significant bullet drop and unreliable accuracy shooting 150 grain bullets. Which means I’ve had to shoot more times with the 308 to put down an elk. Don’t know why this is the case based on your video, but I do know my .270 is much more reliable for one shot kills.
My 270 always puts them down my buddies 308 they ran forever
For hunting especially as a hand loader the 270 is super hunting cartridge, more case capacity and higher velocity and higher BC bullets. Inside 300 yards there is not much practice difference but at 500 yards the 270 is going to out perform the 308.
No way! You know the 270 is junk. But, knowing that, I'd be willing to take it off your hands for a few bucks---just because I could use it for a tent stake.
@@grisher111 i DONT actually own a 270
So what are you hunting with a 270 past 300 Yaards ???
@@maddog8004 don virtue signal . I grew up on pronghorn meat . Shooting 270 since 10 yrs old at every range muley elk pronghorn whitetail turkey if you wanna shoot a turkey in the head at long range I recommend a properly loaded 270 round, same as a pronghorn heart at 450- 500, plumb ethical with a properly loaded 270 ,not even a thing. No good to cast aspersions to some people who shoot alot 600 is no different than 300 to another guy snd then theres the thousand yard being the same as the 600 . Bullet energy more a limiter than accuracy but you dont need alot if you clip the arteries off the top of the heart, I-like to eat them.
A large 150 pound pronghorn heart is about the size of a fist. About roughly a 3 inches Diameter.
1 MOA at 600 yards is a little over 6 inches you tell me that you ethically hunt with ½ MOA shoots?
I do care for the animal I shoot my boundary's are different and you do you but my kills never walked more than 100 yards (wild boar heart clip) and 90 % drop into the shoot. My current go to rifle is a Blaser R8 in 30/06 with about .75 Moa on the bench. Hunting, my max distance for that rifle is 1.5 MOA. but don't be offended this is my hunting ethic not yours I guess@@cedarhatt-vx8kf
Thank you for the testing. 130gr 270 is my favorite cartridge because it easily achieves 3000+ fps which just seems like a nice speed to me, although I am not shooting at armored targets. Today I shot one of my new Remington "Core-Lokt Tipped" cartridges at a Tide Pods container full of water sitting on a cement block; many thanks to Tide for making the best bright orange targets! The target not only exploded upward, but it smashed the cement block under it! Yes I do have it on video...
I've hit over 3200 with my 110s... I've reloaded so many 270 loads. 110-180gr
i would like to see the test repeated with a 150 gr interlock in the 270
Same here
Same here.
Yep, velocity gets a bullet to the target, but it's mass that pushes it through. Two 150 gr bullets traveling at similar velocity and having similar construction will penetrate to the same depth.
I agree that would also be a good comparison
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Whew, good to know! If our population of 1/2 inch steel plates ever gets out of control around these parts, I guess I might need a .308. 👍
That one got me laughing!😂
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Or for stray military death robots... soon
Obviously a 270 fan here lol
@@MrJames-dk3my yes, they are awesome. Same 150 grain would have been more “scientific” or 130 tsx in both.
I love the .308/7.62x51 cartridge. Many of my favorite rifles are in this calibur
Yes 5,56x45 and 7,62x51!
@@hansrichter56077.62x39mm is better then 5.56 within 300 yards.
@@YourLocalShooter The 7.62x39 is not easy to get here in Germany... That's why I only have the NATO calibers and 30-30Win, for example... The Russian cartridge is certainly good just because of the high bullet weight - so I guess you're right.. .
@@hansrichter5607 Got it, sorry didn’t know your from germany. I am a American. I am blessed my forefathers gave there life’s to establish a free country where I have the right to buy firearms of multiple calibers and multiple types.
@@hansrichter5607 5.56 is no slouch by any means. I have both, a rifle chambered in 5.56 and another in my favorite cartridge 7.62x39mm. The iron sights on a ak47 are amazing once you have establish proficiency with them, but when you are first starting out you will have a hard time figuring your trajectory and hold for the desired range you are shooting. 5.56 is more forgiving. Once you add a red dot on a ar15 and a ak47 there is no difference. You can easily hit out to 500 yards with a ak47 with a attached red dot or a ar15 with a red dot sight.
I agree with most comments, shoot again with identical bullet weights and types. You have too many variables going on simultaneously with mismatched bullets to make a blanket .270 vs 308 comparison.
Talk all day and you're not going to get a 270 owner to give up his gun.
My two favorite cartridges in my favorite bullet weights for them. I hand load both on the mild side. The 308 with 150gr Winchester Power Point & the 270 with the Speer Grand Slam (I have a stockpile of Grand Slams that I will never shoot through 😊).
If I remember correctly you said that the 270 was shooting a 130 grain projectile and the 308 was using a 150 grain projectile. A 20 grain difference between them doesn't seem like a lot, but a heavier projectile will always have more penetration than the lighter grain projectile.
LOL, don't use reason and logic here...
🤔 why 556 is better on steel than 7.62x39?
@elmasloco6538 it's not.
@@dannytravis7118 you probably new to the gun world son but believe me it is 100% better ✌️👍
@@dannytravis7118 ua-cam.com/video/R7eTVYttpgY/v-deo.htmlsi=JOYgvX8KWlC29zEl
The reason .308 penetrated better comes down to energy and momentum. The .270 gives up 200 ft pounds of energy and is 6 shy of .308 in momentum (57.11 vs. 63.56). Newtonian Laws of Motion can’t be ignored. The .308 just has more gas to get things done and it’s harder to stop once it gets going.
Thank you for bringing up momentum. That is something I failed to mention.
Carlphilly, I never said anything about 308 being faster than 270. I was talking physics not velocity. What’s your point? Adam at WhoTeeWho is fun to watch, but it’s an apples and oranges comparison to what was shown in this video.
Yah not rigged. Grain weight isn't all telling. Chamber pressure and bullet weight have alot to do with it also.
@@CARLPHILLYNothing rigged here. Hornady probably loads these 2 cartridges to different pressures. I really expected the .270 to have a couple hundred fps more than it had, but that's factory ammo. These comparisons aren't very scientific, but you should apologize to BB for accusing him of fraud
but down range, the .270 passes the .308 as the .308 sheds velocity faster it also gives up energy and momentum faster.
My first time here.I,m an old reloader and hunter but I,m 91 now and hunting and reloading comes from good people like you. I have used both rifles on deer’ I,ve anchored all deer (3) with the 270 add none (8) with the 308 ,for woods hunting I would suggest the 308 ,for hunting out west you may be better served with the 270. As an aside I was impressed with you speaking voice,it could be cultivated for many uses. Good luck with all your endeavors.
That's insane velocity for a .308. Must be Superformance or reeeeaaally hot handloads. Standard .308 150 gr velocity should be around 2800 fps. If you're gonna use an uber-hot .308 load, do the same for the .270. I want to say the .270 Superformance 130 gr is around 3200 fps. Not really an apples to apples comparison with the ammo used.
I handload 308. I thought the same thing. 2800 is good velocity for 150s in a 308.
Fraudulent test on his end. .270 is a step above the .308 and the math shows it.
He loaded the .308 extremely hot on purpose
@@hunterjohnson5635 Nope, the 24" truly makes it faster!!
Most 308s only get 2820 out of 24 inch barrel. That has to be superperformance loads
He said he was using the same model bullets for both, Hornady Interlock. Didn't say anything about handloads.
None of my intended targets have mild steel armor but i appreciate the experment and thank you.
Surprised me. I was ready for the exact opposite results. And I am a 308 proponent. Thank you.
I know years ago the guys always shot the 270 against the 06, and could always shoot through more steel with the 270 , so not sure what happened here, I'm sure they probably had both rounds loaded to the max back then
I noticed his 308 interlocks were hot loads 2966 fps normal 150 are only 2820 fps. He slipped in hot loads againt the 270. Just check the specs he cheated!@@robertboyd3863
Depends on whether the deer are hiding in a junkyard, a cousin keeps a bunch of California compliant cast bronze projectiles in most calibers she uses for certain situations.
For the 90 %of the deer hunters that have never shot a deer beyond 250 yards these comparisons of very similar cartridges are pretty meaningless.
@@davidguelette7036I'd go with 98.5%
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That is interesting to be honest, because I made it through 1/2 mild steel but looked closer to 5/8 with a 130g federal non-typical from 70feet. I do have picture proof too. The rifle I used was a Winchester XPR cambered in 270win which I believe has a 22inch barrel but could be 24. And for those reading the comment the plate I shot was angled
Can you say ".308 for the win"?! This is why I love .308 and have used it successfully in multiple applications since I was 14 years old, (I'm 63 for the record).
Good to see the old round putting in work… can u do a 308 test with Barnes 130, 150, 165, and 168 grain bullets.
That .308 may have only 7.5% more muzzle (kinetic) energy (0.5*mass*velocity^2), but it has 11% more momentum (mass*velocity). I've seen indications on other channels that momentum seems to make more difference in penetrating a hard target while kinetic energy makes more of a difference in wound potential. One thing that also gets neglected in all these calculations is the rotation energy and rotational inertia. They get neglected because they are very difficult to determine, but both contribute to the ballistics and impact conditions.
Sectional density is the main factor for penetration !
Rotational figures aren't hard to calculate. They get left out because they are irrelevant.
Here In East, tn the 270 is the staple of hunting cartridges. I've shot it and 308 ALOT and I'll take the 270 majority of the time. Don't let half inch steel plates with 130 gr full you.. try it in 150 gr
.308 and the 30 .06 are the two best overall cartridges out there for the average hunter looking for access to ammo and a reliable shot group.
Thank you these videos help me out a ton. I only have a few years experience with 2A and there is so much to learn when you have no one to show you.
I went 2A when Joe stole the office.
BS "stolen election" has nothing to do with ballistics, and has zero proof behind it, in any of the 100+ actions... BTW, what "well regulated militia" do you belong to?
I was on the fence between the 6.5 Grendel and a .308 upper. you have helped me finally decide that get the .308. I just wish they all took the same primer size.
The 6.5 Grendel and 308 uppers do not fit on the same lower. One is AR10 and the other is AR15. You might want to base the upper you pick based on the lower you have.
308 is a great cartridge. The AR10 is much heavier in most cases, but can be worth it depending on what you’re using it for
@@kevinreichert3254 thanks. I am aware that they are different lowers. I was wanting to save money and just get an upper that would fit to an existing lower and also not have to buy another primer size. However after reading and watching some of the videos I decided to get a dedicated ar10 multi cal lower and a box of 5k unis genix LRP's. At least I have a good amount of D073-04, .30 cal molds and gas check makers.
@@bananaballistics I need something to smack the coyotes at 650 to 700 yards from my porch. I am tired of losing my goats. I think overall the reloading options for the .308 and the performance is worth the extra for an ar 10 multical lower.
Wouldn't be a bad choice, especially at those ranges
Definitely....both in 150gr. 270 with 150gr and harder points like Game Kings may also be a good comparison.Due to the high speed of the 270, you simply need harder points for both and test again! Shall be interesting to know!
For the 308 those are Hornady Superformance numbers. Hornady advertises 2820 fps and 2649 ft-lb with a 24 inch barrel for all ammo except for their Superformance line.
That’s what I was thinking as well. I’m thinking he is hand loading and loaded the 308 hot while loading the 270 at average speeds. Load SST’s and the 270 goes through and maybe beats the 308. My testing on AR500 steel has 5.56 leaving a dimple at 3300fps. My 22-259 gets half way though at 3600 and blows right through at 3800. 200 fps would make a huge difference.
Been shooting .300 Win Mag for over 30 years so I totally agree with this assessment. I knew it was an awesome round long before stumbling up on this video, great video guys.
Interesting results. I am a fan of both, have both and have hunted with both. Neither have let me down ever.
Hum. Have always expected 3000-3100 FPS w/ .270 while .308 can w/ selected loads reach 2900 FPS, but normally it comes in at 2800 FPS. Never had problems with either round penetration on medium game like deer, etc. Would suggest using same bullet construction and typical weights used for hunting. Very much enjoy these posts. Look forward to seeing them.
That 308 has a very spicy load in it! It's almost max from Hodgdon reload data.
Yup. He loaded it way hotter than the .270
Yes he went with the standard 270 load and a hot 308 load.@@hunterjohnson5635
I have both cartridges and like them both. The 308 is a Savage 11VT with heavy barrel and the 270 is a Thompson Center Dimension with a "hunting" type of barrel. My personal experience is that the 270 is less picky about ammo than the 308. And I reload both calibers. Other people may have different experiences, I get that. I have owned three different 308's and three different 270's. The 270 is my go-to for hunting (even when I had 308's that were made for hunting). My current 308 is mostly for punching paper and steel at long ranges.
This reinforces my decision on the .308 i chose as my primary bolt rifle. My other considerations were the 6.5 creedmoor and .270. The .308 (7.62x51) was used for battle, for a reason. I'll probaly get a 6.5 still and have a few options.
308 or nothing
I've heard a lot of deer get lost using 6.5, and some hunt guides wont allow it because of that
A friend of mine's whole family uses 6.5 Creedmoor for deer hunting. They killed about 20 deer last year. Granted it was basically brush hunting. But they didn't lose any deer. I usually deer hunt with a .308 Win. It always works for me.@@danadouglass9028
Get a .30 06, I got a .308 and I like it a lot but it drops like a cannon ball. If you want a super flat shooting cartridge that kicks as much as a .308 but has way more energy then get a 7mm remington. Take my word for it. Then get a .308 after.
7mm Rem Mag is great round. I have one one. And have had a few over the years. It is a flat shooting beast. One reason I like the .308 is the bullet drop. It drops quickly and you don't have the concern of hitting something unintended further out. I won't use a straight wall cartridge unless I absolutely have to. They are not .308 level performers. .30-06 and 7mm Rem mag are vicious on deer. @@YourLocalShooter
Thanks for the interesting video.
I have just bought my first 308 (waiting for it to arrive) and I ordered 180 grain soft points for hunting. I always prefer a heavier bullet for hunting deer and larger game. Better sectional density. Some folks think I am a bit nuts though, because I want the heavier bullet in the 308 to actually slow it down. I hunt in the northern rural woodlands mostly, and I don't want to waste any meat with a high velocity round at some of our most common distances (20 to 60 yards shots are common) But the occasional field or power line is more distance than my old eyes (or 30-30) can handle, so I thought it time for a scoped rifle.
try a solid brass bullet in the 270.
@@grisher111 270 is faster than 308. My point was to slow the bullet down, not speed it up. That's why I choose 180 grain in the 308. Too many deer taken at very close range up in these here parts. 20 to 70 yards average, I have personally never taken a deer past 55 yards. 270 is too much. That's why I don't own one. Great caliber for other parts of the country though. But occasionally I see a deer out at 100-150, even 200 yards at the edge of a field or power line. That's the only time I would want any scoped rifle at all, and the 308 is great for it. Otherwise my 30-30 lever gun with open sights is the best ticket.
I usually shoot 165gr bullets in my .308 for deer hunting. I like the idea of 180s though. The bullet should retain more weight and mushrrom better. When I do load 180s I will use round nose bullets. Good luck with your hunt.
Great video. Thought for sure the .270 was going through. Maybe a slightly heavier .270 just an idea. Love the format of your videos.
Both, my favourite cartridges. But these cartridges were designed for different purposes... now you know why the 308 was NATO'S choice... for military purposes.
For hunting purposes, bushveld the 308... open plains semi-desert the 270... but either is still a good choice as I ain't never seen any animal wearing a bullet proof vest or steel plate armoury... 😅😂😅😂 a 150gr in 308 is magic round....
To me, the two most important factors in hunting are:-
Nr.1 confidence in your rifle.... if you are not confident with your rifle... get rid of it ASAP.
2ndly, bullet placement.... remember you are aiming at a target, heart or brain, inside the visible or outer target. Angular shots need a different point of entry...
Happy hunting 😊
This review and test will be invaluable to me when steel beam hunting season comes and I'll know which rifle to choose. Very helpful.
My grandpa’s signature bullet the 308 Winchester for moose. His favourite for moose hunting.
I'm from Australia and know a guy who is a deer hunting fanatic here and he hates the .270 with a passion, he does most of his hunting with an old .303 SMLE which is ballistically similar to the .308
Also I think you have a voice that would make an awesome radio broadcaster 😅
so if you run across any 270s cheap, let me know. glad to take them off your hands.
I always wanted a .303 British barrell for my T/C Encore. I think it would be a deer killing beast.
YES!!! I commented on your other video about testing the .270 and other hunting rounds. Great video!!! I wonder how the .270 would fare with 150 grain with and without steel tips. Thanks for another great video. Please keep em coming!!!
308 has always been impressive on the Battel field, need I say more, Old Master Gunnery SGT USMC.
An apples to apples comparison would be using an even heavier bullet in .308 in order to have the same sectional density as the 130 grains, 270. That weight would be 158-160 grains in 30 caliber. which is an odd weight for a 30 cal hunting bullet and penetrate an even thicker plate. Your test is very good and conclusive.
The case capacity of standard .270 brass is 11gr more water volume at 67gr total than than the .308 at 56gr, so if you handload you should theoretically be able to push a .270 bullet of similar weight a great deal faster than you'd be able to with a .308 bullet. Obviously it depends on the powder and all that, but all else being equal, the .270 has the potential to push similar bullet weights faster than the .308, and thus also be able to penetrate steel better.
Only true to an extent. The more you neck down a cartridge the more energy potential you lose.
Just compare .243 Winchester to .338 Federal. Same case capacity and operating pressure but nearly twice the energy with the .338. Also true for .25-06 and .338-06. Same case capacity but the .338 is massively more powerful.
It's all in the 30cal round... A 300 win mag only has 25% more power over a 308. The other 75% is all sound and kick..
@@MrDan1509 I wouldn't say that.
The 300 Win Mag is pushing a 220 grain bullet at 2,900 feet per second.
The .308 is pushing a 168 grain bullet at 2,700 feet per second.
Even at the muzzle that's significantly more than 25% more power.
Take that to 300 yards and that Win mag has much less drop and drift and is approaching twice the energy.
At 1,000 yards it's like a prime Mike Tyson vs a drunk guy at the bar.
The Win Mag is in a league well above .308.
It is so much fun, watching the new generation learn things about guns as if it’s the first time it’s ever been discovered, I love it. I am less interested, and their lack of knowledge of history, that we’ve already discovered all the stuff along long ago, but it is fun to see that they are learning it by themselves is a good thing. It is funny as hell but it’s a good thing.
Around here we don't hunt steel-skinned game much, so 270 or 308 do the job fine.
I agree with your assessment. I prefer shooting short cartridges over the longer cartridges. Call me lazy I guess.
308 is just too good. i love hearing ppl always talk about how "this is the round to replace the 308" lol nah maybe next time
barrel life too man. 308s got a lot of good things goin for it.
I like both of these rounds. But I am a .308 Winchester man. Probably my favorite round.
Lots of cartridges beat it on paper, but reality is a mean bitch to all of them. I think the .308 is more than enough gun than most people will ever need, and I'm actually more of a .30-'06 fan.
Totally agree Sir. Same boat here. .308 is great round and I too am more of a .30-06 SPRG fan. @@joshrandall3632
@@joshrandall3632I like the 06 but there is just something special about a Savage 99 in 308. The ultimate North American woods rifle… and does ok in more open country as well
Interesting. I shoot 160 gr Nossler partition for Moose and Elk. At 50 yards the 160 gr punches a clean hole through a 5/8 steel plate. The 270 is my go-to rifle for anything I hunt in my home of British Columbia, from 130 gr for deer to 160 for bears and other big game. Thanks for the comparisons you do, I really enjoy them!😁
As a kid I started hunting deer with an old 12ga shotgun with the old pumpkin balls, then I bought an old 303 British infield with all the wood that came on it with the bayonet on it, the clip held 9 shots, and it took me a few times to figured out that it was a snipper stile Riffel it had three levels of sites on it and I got real good with it was knocking down deer 6-8 hundred yards but the gun was so heavy it was not the gun to walk around in the woods all day it was the gun for a prop in a deer stand or a tripod, then my grandfather gave my his 308 Winchester model 94 simmy automatic 5 shot clip with a 40 power scope, oh my God it is a badass gun and at least half the weight of the 303 and just as deadly in the same range I have shot deer through trees when they were trying ti hide behind them, sorry for rambling guys love my 308's I have three different models of gun that are 308 best cal.I have ever shot good video god bless all stay safe
I have shot them both and personal preference is .308 in Bolt gun… Proper Sighting devices … proper ammo for the mission … like are we hunting Texas Hill Country White Tails or Elk ..
Great video 👍🏻. I thought that the 270 would have gone through the 1/2" plate and not the 308.
Momentum (p) is the physical measurement that best describes penetrative characteristics. This is mass x velocity. A bit different than kinetic energy and tends to favor more massive rounds over faster rounds. Powder grains in each of the cartridges should also be standardized.
Looking at charts the .270 has more muzzle energy and retains a lot more at 500 yards than the .308 with a 150g bullet.
What charts you looking at. THATS IMPOSSIBLE. THE 30 CALIBER IS BIGGER, HAS MORE MUZZLE ENERGY AND THE 150 GR RETAINS MORE ENERGY IN LE OF ITS GREATER SECTIONAL DENSITY AND VELICITY.
My reloading manual. The .270 is a .30-06 cartridge, which has more powder volume than the shorter .308.@@twolak1972
Before I watch The 270 is my favorite flatter shooting i use 150 gr. when i Hung up the Lever 30-30 I have been a 270 ,Browing a Bolt Browning semiautomatic Bar Ruler .Reguardless i will be keeping The 270 . Thanks .
You know you should test the new 6.8x51/ 277 Fury, by Sig, in the near future. The Army's primary reason for wanting to change rounds is body armor penetration so let's see it in the sled.
I’m actually interested to see if it lives up to the hype. When I read up on it and the new rifle, it was a great sales pitch….. it I want to see what it can really do
I believe it is a personal experience and preference. I've been hunting with my .308 for 55 years (I'm 68). It has never let me down.
As soon as I saw the velocity comparison it was easy to see that .308 would win. Close to the same velocity with a much heavier bullet means better penetration.
Except the velocities are very suspect in my book. The 308’s velocity is 150 fps faster that what Hornady lists for the Interlock. The velocity is consistent with Hornady’s fastest load, the SST. If he shot the 270 at SST velocities, it would be 3200 fps.
yup. It's a botched test@@kevinreichert3254
The 30 Cal is King of the deer woods! ive used a .308 since i was 12 so for the last 23 years and it does the job every time! i totally expect the .270 to penetrate deeper because the faster speed and less surface area, but nope the OL .308 does it again!...30 Cal KING!
A.270 is a necked down 30-06. For a better control use the identical bullet weight. Either way both are a good round.
No wrong It uses the same casing as the 30-06 but with a .277 bullet
@@BaconSlayer69 Thats what i said. 🤔
@@rogueldr642smiythe9 u said neck down which means reference to the shell casing not the bullet get it right
@@BaconSlayer69 Sized down goodness sakes its the same case
@@BaconSlayer69 🤓
That’s why I have a Tikka T3 stainless. Best all round cartridge.308
.270 is better for longer range hunting by comparison. But they're both relative to each other power wise. The. 270 is only slightly more powerful, and by that, I mean just barely. A 150 grain .270 is only about 50 to 100 foot lbs more powerful than a 150 grain .308. So it's negligible at best!
Overall, I like .308 Winchester more because of the more versatile grain weights, and the fact I'm a sucker for 30 calibers and prefer em' over any other caliber size.
Go for the 30-06 and a 270. you got more oomph (technical term for "hurtin") in the 30-06 but nicer long shots with the 270 and you only have to stock one brass.
I've been shooting since I was 8 or 9 years old so 50 yrs or so, spent 10 years in the military. I'm not an expert but people get so carried away with caliber and ballistics, bottom line rounds like
30-30 308 3.06 are all old but good all round calibers that are easily sourced pretty much anywhere. And if I had only 3 choices for long firearms in my house it would be a 308, .22 and 12 gauge. End of the day its a personal preference.
I’m a huge fan of both these cartridges! I’ve killed so many deer with both, I’ve lost count. But I will tell you, the 270 kills better, without a doubt. The majority of the whitetails shot with the 270 drop dead, or only take a few steps. The ones shot with 308, the majority of them have run, or have made it considerably further before dropping. Just my observation.
Same results here. Switched from 308 to 270 with much better results
Nonsense
Might be related to other factors like angles and shot placement. You can easily see from these results that the .308 makes a bigger hole. And at least in this test, penetrated more.
You know, the types of ammo you use makes all the difference in the world. Stop hunting deers with match grade ammo in your 308.
You're saying he's lying? Where do you live? LA? NYC?@@larrybulthouse455
Excellent video editing, well done, nice info too..
I will remember this the next time I'm hunting for 1 inch steel plates. Till then I'm sticking to my .270.😊
Really funny, people take this silly video way to serious! Thank you Sir!
Fun video always enjoy your contributions!
Great video. I never talk bad about the 308 even when it is out classed by other 30. Caliber cartridges it will serve well
The .270 has a considerably flatter trajectory. Obviously at the expense of energy, but for a white tale, it’s fine.
Another great video Double B. ❤
I like both cartridges. The 308 always seems to win every contest tho.
Keep this highly intellectual content coming steady.
What are you doing for Halloween? You need a bloody lab coat, a monocle and steth.
You must shoot the same type bullet and weight for a more accurate test. I'll take my 270win over the 308 any day.
It would be interesting to see the difference between them if a monolithic bullet was used. A solid copper bullet non expanding for a true apples to apples comparison. The energy is more with the 308 but it also has a larger area to push through. Eliminate the variables in bullet construction such as jacket thickness and internal lead hardness.
I love my 308 win
There's a reason most of my rifles are chambered in.308. 👍
Great content!! At what distance are you shooting from??
The test results surprised me. I thought the 270 would have a bigger punch. I wonder if the 270 would have punched through the 5/8 steel with a heavier bullet.
I know years ago the guys would compare the 270 with the 30-06 and they always got the 270 to shoot through more than they could the 06 , would shoot at the web on a piece of railroad track , I daresay they were reloading both as hot as they could .
@robertboyd3863 I agree. I do think a bullet selection, as in armor piercing round, will be difficult to beat when it comes to penetration. AP rounds exist for the 30-06. I'm not sure for the 270.
@@tyronekim3506 Back years ago my buddy and his friend bet a case of beer over which would go farther into a tree, needless to say my friend slipped an armor piercing round into his 06, the guy never did figure out how he got beat so bad, used to buy them all the time for next to nothing
@@robertboyd3863That's a good story. He's probably still scratching his head in bewilderment. 😅
For those that think the 270 shoots higher bc bullets then the 308, well thats not the case anymore. Comparing hornady eldx bullets from each caliber we find the 270 has a 145 grain with a bc .536 and sectional density of .270 compared to the 178 grain eldx 308 bullet, with a bc of .535 and a sectional density of .268 😂😂 nearly identical, and you can push the 178 up to 2700fps plus
Not sure what load the.270 was at, but I recall from ballistic charts, more muzzle energy than you showed?
And, quite a light bullet... might be a better comparison with ball ammunition, not subject to breakup?
Anyway, it's what it is, for your test...
Up the 270 to the 150 gr. For a more balanced comparison. And run the test again. What is the distance from the target to the bench? Would love to see the results then.
watched one video then another and another 1 evening you became my go to for choosing the right first deer rifle for my son excellent content cheers
Even though the bullets are the "same" design I'm positive they are actually constructed different.
Be an interesting test with the 308 winchester steel core whats the max it pass through!? Im guessing close to 2" of mild steel!?
I have both calibers but I really like the .270 for hunting, why???? I've taken deer, pronghorn, black bear and elk with it.
The 308 is okay but I grab the 270 always when I head out for deer size animals. Thanks for sharing it was very informative. Two thumbs up. 👍👍
Both of those cartridges are killer. Pun intended. Take either hunting without hesitation although I deer hunt with a AR 6.5 Grendel.
Really good info - thank you.
In Italy for mountain and open plains for me 27o with 130grains is the winner
When in the bush or wood 3o8 with 165 graind is preferable
270 perfect fot deer up to 60 kilograms while 308 is for wildhogs up to 150kilograms. For formal shooting prone 155 grains Sierra make 35 millimeters groups
I love both of these bullets
Really like the .308, good info, thanks
Are use a sierra 130 grand in my 270 and I hand load and I can buzz right through half inch. Thanks
Fred
There is lots of data from experiments in WWII when folks got into the physics of penetrating armour as if peoples lives depended on it! In general for solid armour piercing shot, energy and thus velocity was king but the cross sectional area of the projectile was also a factor. Larger shot was somewhat helpful, even at the same or similar speeds. Thus there was a caliber progression from 37 mm..to 57mm to 75 mm to 76mm to 90mm in the American antitank cannon effort with the Russians going all the way up to 128mm. I have formulas somewhere. I'll look them up. It has not much to do with how projectiles will act in less hard targets.
Just caught this.. Great test! I own both calibers and, on the one hand, I have no gripes really. Most hunters Field thier respective rifles with these loads: 130gr. in the .270Win, and 150/165 gr. in the .308Win. , sort of copying the original 150gr. load with the .308.
I do agree, though, with a "head to head" test. 130gr in both, or, 150gr in both, and let the chips fall as you shoot.
I understand the "Ideal" load comparison here of factory original to factory original loadings. This is fair, because its "what's on the shelf".......
As a recreational shooter, target shooter, and HUNTER, who is a RELOADER as well, then I make sure I have a loading/load history for what I am shooting. OK, this gets deep and very Nerdy with a few of my shooting/hunting/reloading buddies, but what the Hey, It keeps me on the range working the 2A, and at home with my family! 😆!
Head to Head testing results removes any questionable static effects. You really don't have any, so eh', its almost a moot point.. lol!
I firmly believe that if you had "comparable" off the shelf rounds of .270 Win and .308Win , past the 130/150gr. rounds to say 180gr. There may be penetration, and complete penetration of the 1/2", 5/8" plates. (Taking in account for unlimited money and time, both of which are extreme luxuries in the gun world we live in... lolol 😆😆😆!)
Anyway, still a great test, as both cartridges are "matched" as loaded, both by power, and thier flat shooting at distance here. Both have thier "edge" here, and are held at bay by thier loading with the steel plate.
You'd make a great bass singer with a voice like that.
I love the 270 wsm tikka, my favorite gun of all!
If I'm hunting deer, or elk, either cartridge would be fine. My deer rifle is a .270 Win, but i also love the .308 Win. as a man stopper. I would not want to be hit with either one, as i would be dead.
BTW, I use Nosler Partitions as my only bullets while hunting. They are the best you can load.
I like both of these rounds but 308 is my go to. Thanks for the vid.
The art to make a 8 mn video with only 15s real contents.
As a hand loader I would love to see a comparison of the various Nato loads. I've got magnetic pills between 130gn to 150. Then there's all the goofy heavy 208gn amax over RL17 to 110gn lighting fast varmint loads.
It might be a good idea to crono the round used for the tests... Although the 308 is standard for a reason
Varmint hunting in Alaska I use a 308 accelerator 50 grain. These are very fast and right on.
Those are some crazy 308 balistics