Jordan, seriously fair play to you mate. I’m a sparks and also have my own business. To be very honest, I’m extremely fed up of the trade and day by day this feeling is getting worse. For you to not only be doing the work and enjoying it, your also spending even more time filming and editing it. Wish you all the best with your business and UA-cam career.
76 year old electrician, part time these days but still love working on the tools and the satisfaction I get from doing a good job, love your videos and the quality of work you guys do.👏👏👏.
Hi Jordan, although not an electrician by trade, I do watch and enjoy every video. Great team of installers, keep us all smiling, witty, cheeky but turning out consistent quality work..perfect.! Cheers, Alex.
Is nice to see you on the tools Jordan. I worked at an Australian Govt building construction fire research lab. The fire separation integrity is something that so many trades don't give a toss about, from domestic to commercial. That cutting of the ceiling is shocking. I also question the polystyrene beads. If fire got into the cavity they'd probably go wooshka.
In WA the fire integrity of the domestic switchboard was the main item picked up by the Western Power inspectorate. They're recently relented as there has never been a domestic switchboard fire that has spread into the property!
in most of Europe it became illegal to use PS as insulation in the late 1980s or early 90s (depends on country), because of the fire hazard. And while it's been replaced by proper insulation in most places, since the PS foam is terrible insulation as well, in the UK old installations will remain until it becomes necessary to pull it out. Many houses built before between WW2 and the 1973 oil crisis merely had a cavity between the inner and outer walls, to act as the only form of insulation - and this goes for all of Europe - so some chose to blow the cavities full of PS beads to provide some kind of insulation. In Denmark they instead used proper insulation mats chopped up into tiny pieces, which is a lot safer and more efficient, but don't know if it was done in any other places.
I love watching your channel Jordan!, I am a QS but have been an Electrician for over 30 years, mostly on commercial. I love when you find "shocking" or "mad" wiring, as I mainly think that you have seen nothing (not a criticism, you have probably just been lucky) compared to some of the commercial or industrial installations I have come across over the years, its difficult not to become desensitised to some of it. Keep up the 5 star life!!
23:29 Funny to hear that! Sjongejongejonge is a Dutch expression when you're very amazed/frustrated by something or struggling with something. Your impression was quite good :-). I hope you understand! Cheers from the Netherlands
I once came across twin and earth deterioration when installing a new bathroom. Behind the walls were sheets of polystyrene insulation and the old cables had been sitting against it for years. It wasn’t all the way through to the conductors but the outer sheath looked like it had melted at parts
I had a Thai worker cut a hole in cement board to fit a outside socket for a friend on a outside wall it was a cement board and the internal wall plaster board filled with polystyrene beads for insulation . When I arrived at the job all the beeds were out of the wall in that location. I bagged as many as we could recover. He did not attempt to stop the flow. The Thai worker got the job to fill the cavity from the roof space very hot and sweaty. The joys of Electrical work in Thailand. Love the vids. A fountain of Knowledge.
Whilst I never saw any plastersizer issues I did see issues with washing up liquid! In the 80s I was looking after multiple estates in south east London constructed from preformed concrete. In one particular estate we started to see ring mains going down regularly. We found when pulling the cables out the insulation on the single core was completely liquified. it was found that when the cables were installed they did not put conduit in the walls. They simply hale preformed "conduits" in the concrete. to get the cables pulled through they used to use washing up liquid! 20 or so years later this broke the cables down causing issues. Residents used to complain of goo oozing out of sockets or in some cases "fizzing" in the walls. The resolution was to rewire using preformed skirting trunking.
The expression "Tjonge jonge jonge....." is an understatement for the loose connection block. Inside the board is a "tjonge jonge jonge" situation, it's more used if you wonder why some did something in a certain way. Greetings from the Netherlands.
Tsjonge jonge indeed. Always surprised to see where you find the consumer unit. Being Dutch, we always find it in the same place, right above the meter, within 3 meters from the front door.
I can’t agree with you more Jordan. There is something really satisfying about working on the tools and seeing what you’ve actually done at the end of the day. Fault finding and fixing issues is without doubt the most satisfying, and you always have a happy customer as they can now use there upstairs lights, or take a hot shower etc. It’s instant feedback.
The cavity is full of insulation good luck not getting any touching cables. If that concerned why not drill larger hole and put some copex, trunken, conduit or whatever in to prevent any issues .. you made issue about it then don’t negate it .
I dont know how I missed this one Jordan but I had to laugh when the bead insulation started to pour out of the cavity. I had the same happen when fitting a cooker back box and the breeze block crumbled. I had to shove a card board box up against the wall until I could get a back box in and foam it up. It looked like it had snowed in the kitchen.
Well, "sjonge jonge jonge" (translates to something like "oh dear oh dear") is surely appropriate here! Good thing for the customer Artisan is there now to do their trademark quality job!
Polystyrene beads:- What about drilling a much larger diameter hole and feeding a large diameter insulated fibrous shroud and feed that through, then inside that, insert and feed through the power cables you wish to use?
The dutch expression "sjongejonge" means pretty much "boy o boy". You said it exactly right, making it clear to anybody that's an expression of being surprised in a bad way by some dodgy stuff you just found. :)
So I started my business what I was 22 a couple of years ago now, and went from evening and weekends to full time in February this year and have loved it since. It’s been class so far and in all honesty seeing how you’ve grown as a business over time has got me really excited for the future, and hoping that it continues to g the way it currently is! Always a pleasure to watch the videos you guys out out, I guess even when you’re qualified with a few additional courses I still finding myself learning new things on here! Have a great new year gents 🍻
Dave Bruce , hi, when going through the cavity, can you drill slightly larger so you can put a length of plastic conduit all the way through to protect cables from insulation pellets?
Me coming from a 35 amp main fuse in the Netherlands. Funny to see the difference between countries. My greatest culture shock is the placing of the meter outside and the main fuse box just placed wherever there's space. How different with the "metercloset" in the Netherlands
It depends on the age of the property. Many new builds have a meter cupboard outside to house the meter and incoming fuse... older properties have it inside the house, usually in a cupboard under the stairs or the likes :)
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Our meters in the US have always been on the outside. Since we have changed over to smart meters all reading is done remotely from the main offices. Also, most homes have a 200 amp main breaker.
@ At least your panels are built to a conservative industrial standard and will probably be good for 50 years. Here it is a race to the bottom. Before the recent requirement for metal enclosures, some consumer units were little better than tupperware sandwich boxes. And equally flammable. And you can get MCBs for the budget ranges for around £2
I'm not an electrician but it happened few times to find some old device still in the box with the original polystyrene packaging and the cable was "melted" into the polystyrene. This is why is best to bag the item before putting it in contact with the packaging and coincidentally this is actually how you find most new devices
the insulating beads jam a long nozzle with expanding foam in there early into the job quick squirt then wait a bit, once it dries drill through that should stop the beads coming down.
Fascinating. I served my time in the 60s 14th edition. It was during the changeover from the likes of 7029 to 2.5mm squared and ft lbs became Newtons per metre squared etc. While the craft side of the job is still broadly the same, the inspection and testing has moved on considerably, as have the regs. I left the trade in 1971, eventually becoming a rocking horse maker for 30 years.
The way you handled that drill bit I see the rumour is true, that your starting your own Fracking Company. 😀😁😂 Regarding the leaching, definitely sleeve across cavities. What to do with the beads afterwards. Collect them all up go into the loft and drop them into the cavity or drill another hole and put the Hoover on blow 😁 The effect looks a bit like black spot on a sycamore leaf. I wonder if JW has looked into it. 🤔
love your enthusiasm for your trade. I'm a 63yr old Plasterer that gets very disappointed with the standard and lack of pride in the youngsters in the trade now. Really enjoy your vids . thanks. ps watched your Electric van vid and would definitely NOT be getting an Electric powered van. lol
In Germany we avoid the plasticizer migration by using a piece of this white rigid conduit so the cable is not in direct contact with the polysterene. They are also made of PVC, but since they're rigid, they contain no plasticizer and so cause no trouble. About that dutch expression, I would say roughly something like "oh Boy!"
Does this actually affect the PVC? I've seen it happen a few times and as far as I could tell it was only melting the polystyrene, the PVC was fine. Plasticiser leeching out of PVC is a normal process but usually doesn't hurt cables much, they just become a bit harder to strip if you're doing any alterations later on. I've worked with PVC cables as old as the late 1950s and they were all perfectly fine, unlike the older VIR.
Great job tidying that dogs dinner up in the cabinet Jordan! It's always difficult when you have to tidy things up temporary when you know you'll be back later to rip it all out again. But, regs are regs.
Hi guys, I really enjoyed this video. I’d like to say that I’m enjoying watching lee’s videos I really think you have a great team. Keep up the great entertainment and merry Christmas. Kind regards Robert in Australia
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Hey I'm a learning electrician who's finished studying. I'm now working on site with a qualified electrician doing my NVQ. I'm looking in to buying an electrical MFT. I seen a video of you unpacking the Fluke 1664 FC is that a good Tester to buy?
Great video as always and good quality work. If a job is worth doing correctly it's worth taking the time on it.👍 My dad is a spark and from being 12/13 years old i was helping him on sites during school holidays. It has been reminding me of some of the things that he taught me from watching the videos.
My distribution board connecting over 50 years as an Industrial electrician was quality,if you want a sample of my work go to Norfolk and Norwich Hospital where I connected a few
I retired 3 years ago and all my old boards were pretty smart, i fitted a flue for a hob exracter at 4 " and those bloody beads filled the garden, no hole saws in those days so hammer and chisel.
Am i glad i live in the Netherlands!Were we have one cupboard for everything.Gasmeter,watermeter and electrics,etc..😁😁 But we are special because we also switch the blue wires..Not just the brown.
never seen plastersizer used as wall insulation before as it is very flammable. in old houses here we can find sawdust used as insulation, usually there is glasfiber wool and rockwool in later installations.
Awesome to see the Boss Man on the tools again,I bet you were lovin it Jordan,it's been a while,I think we need a Jordan & Cory video for old time sake hey?sounds like a plan my good Man!😉😁
I was working in a loft once that had polystyrene ball insulation. The cable insulation had become sticking to touch. I told the homeowner and got the usual reply when I give bad news 'no one else has said that'.
I’m never convinced that allowing a person outside your house to isolate your electrical supply is a good thing? I think I’d like a steel door and padlock on mine… but I’m from Manchester!
Go over to some parts of Australia - the whole consumer unit is often outside in an open porch secured by - nothing! Water valves similarly often in the open. Guess they are more honest over there - despite the convict past!
@@barrieshepherd7694 When there well located, sometimes it's around the far corner of the house accessible via a narrow garden between the house and a fence. And yet the reg's only require the meter and the main service fuse to be outside!
Why not install the new board with 3 circuits initially, the ev charger and two feeders to the old panels, then take out those feeder circuits when you move everything out of the old panels.
Ah polystyrene cavity insulation joy o joy. Normally sleeve it through the wall, beads have a habit of eventually coming back out if you don't sleeve and seal. Don't tend to like using tape as depending on the tape it can also cause issues over time with insulation. That said worst one I came across was 16mm tails on an 80 Amp incomer with bead insulation in the wall un-sleeved - after 5 years the DNO fuse had popped due to the installation being at almost constant maximum demand the heat combined with the polystyrene had caused the insulation on the tails to for want of a better word melt and then directly short out. Only seen it that bad once, never since but this is going back 15 years now see the odd one but no where near as bad, just dimpled and the balls stuck to it.
Hi Jordan! I'm Dutch and your 'Sjongejongejonge' is absolutely brilliant... as if a Dutch person is speaking, perfect accent. So funny. Love your videos, even though I'm not a sparky, they are so fun to watch. Keep up the good work and cheers to your team!
Believe the plasticiser migrates from the polystyrene to the pvc, the polystyrene breaks down and leaves a sticky residue on the outside of the pvc insulation but it doesn’t degrade it.
I now understand why some people give J it tight . There is something annoying about his voice and way he interacts.. but hey everyone different and the guys done well so well done 👏
15:23 That's funny, here in the USA we typically use 6AWG (16mm2) or 4AWG (25mm2) for the Tesla chargers depending on the distance. As small at the Tesla base is to work in is fun with rear entry and even 6AWG wire it become almost impossible with 4AWG and while being stranded, its very stiff still. I would love to be able to use 12AWG (4mm2) or 10AWG (6mm2) cable. However with 11.5KW (48A) we have to use much larger wire. Keep up the good work sir.
Wow... Two panels that was crazy! The cabinet should take off because can't see inside cabinet's wall. Oh well.. Also Very funny Jordon's face smile on window Look like a Snowman. Make me laughed.. Great team work! Thumbs up! Cheers!
Re problem of wall cavities. I like to slide some 20mm PVC conduit through to guide stubborn cables through the cavity as well as protecting them from polystyrene and rodents (maybe). Only problem is a 20mm drill only seems to make a 19mm hole. So I take off-cuts and pass them over my table saw at home, just to put a single 3mm slot in the pipe. This closes up and reduces diam.of pipe when you push it through the wall. Will take 6mm SWA.
Excellent work Artisan team. I’m from the U.S. and I find it so bizarre that you don’t use conduit for exterior ran wires. I know the cables rated for outdoor but why isn’t conduit used? IMO it would look waaaay nicer especially when painted as opposed to a wire with clips.
Why not have the charger for the car nearer the car, to the left of the company fuse, else too close to crosswise wall? Fire-resisting foam will sort out the insulation problem. You are so right I hate lounge-lizard tasks, doing it is better. However you cannot get the staff and to train them slows work. Those you can get want mpre than poorer folk can afford.
That corrugated plastic pipe from the fan unit to the outside is going to be half full of condensed water soon. The fan and pipe should have been elevated to cause condensed water to drain towards the outside and the pipe up from the bathroom (and preferably to the outside) should have been double walled / insulated.
STOP cavity wall insulation falling out - You might like to try drilling 4 holes at 90 degrees to each other around the area where you likely to be working, say 100mm apart in a north/east/south/west configuration then inject Expanding Foam (Fire Rated) if you think it is beneficial to add a fire break then once it has had time to dry, that will keep the polystyrene beads in place. Unfortunately, losing the beads around the area where you’re working not only makes a mess, but you could end up creating a cold spot/possible cause a condensation problem in the future as well degrading the heat retention properties of the house.
Sjonge jonge :) That is a great Dutch expression indeed ;) B.t.w. so interesting to see the different ways electrics are done in neighboring countries. In NL we always feed wires through (mainly rigid) PVC conduit. I also do not often see cables running outside of buildings apart from incidental sunscreen power supplies. Often the conduits are first milled / plastered in then the wires are pulled through it.
I’ve been seeing a lot of flexi-conduit for sale with singles already installed - that’s a lot closer to running cables than the old ways. I assume it’s easier, especially in modern stick built inner walls. We do have actual cables (ymvk/xmvk) but I don’t think they’re allowed to be inside walls…
I will never understand why the UK allows those horrid board placements. There is no other country in Europe where it's legal to supply power to an installation like that. It's "either get a proper mainboard or live in the dark". And yes, doing it the mainland way starts around £600 for the mainboard installation, but then it gets done right, it's properly accessible and safe, and you don't have to chase all over the place looking for different boxes because everything is (and has to be) contained in one place.
no problem in the Netherlands with the insulation. we do not use this type of insulation material for cavity walls. sjongejongejonge, I am always amazed at how much difference there is in electrical installations in different countries. in the netherlands it is out of the woods that individual conductors are installed without protection. keep up the good work guys.
I have had problems with the insulation beads coming out of drilled holes. If I find the cavity is filled with these I inject foam just above the hole to hold the beads in place drill another hole inject there drill though this foam no problems.
Great video Jordan. When doing the R1+R2 with the link lead, you need to null the resistance of the link lead. Not that it made much of a difference in this instance lol.
Hi Ciaran, could you explain what "null the resustance of link lead" is and benefits of doing so/what does it prevent? For non electricians like me to understand more👍
@@TeezerDriz In this video they are using a R1+R2 link lead for handiness. When carrying out continuity tests, you need to null the resistance of the “links leads” before doing the test. You need to do this or else you will also be measuring the resistance of the wire you’re using for the link lead.
Henley blocks with exposed copper seems like a bit of an issue more than the usual run of exposed copper - that’s a cat IV, 60-100A fused electrocution hazard, not “just” a cat II or III one with RCD protection. Yikes.
I am wondering why you never use plastic pipes??Its better outside because off the straigtnes off the pipe.Those plastic bals cant get into contact with the cables etc.etc..Look at that white cable outside!Thats not right!Better with a pipe!Everything is better with a pipe!
All on a 60 amp fuse... wow what a mess. I do like how metal CU, metal boxes, all metal but then install these in particle board / wooden cabinets that are plastic coated! So if there is some sort of event you wouldn't know right away because its enclosed. 💥🤦♂🤷♂ I assume they put a bunch of flammable stuff in the cabinet as well.
@@tobysherring1369 I completely agree with you. Its just funny that they were steel, wood, plastic and then back to steel. Here in the US, a good percentage are located in the wall cavities and are flush mount. That is the norm, unless mounted in a basement and then put surface mount on concrete basement wall for example. There are a few cities like Chicago that require all residential wiring be located in steel conduit throughout the entire house. Luckily here in Texas its just in the walls with NM-B (twin and earth basically).
In regards to putting the new hager board in, perhaps it's worth it in the long run to keep a mini 4 port hager in the vans for temp installs and just change the fuses / trips for each job to save on wasting a new board everytime you need a temp fix, and then you can save new boards for fresh installs, we know Cory's got spare room in his pringles pot for a 4 port so storage won't be an issue, ps id love to go for a drink with you guys one day would be funny as hell
"Sjongejongejonge" means something like "oh boy, oh boy, oh boy" but with a little more angriness behind it. Often used in situations where someone else has screwed up and it ends up being your problem.
Jordan, seriously fair play to you mate.
I’m a sparks and also have my own business. To be very honest, I’m extremely fed up of the trade and day by day this feeling is getting worse. For you to not only be doing the work and enjoying it, your also spending even more time filming and editing it.
Wish you all the best with your business and UA-cam career.
Must admit found lees expression funny, when Jordan was going on about clothing, looked like he was thinking just get on with it 🤣
I found it funny and thought he was thinking " I had to buy it myself"
Great stuff boys
@@aidie26 😂😂 or maybe where's my north face top 😂😂
Oh come on mate don't goof the poorie
76 year old electrician, part time these days but still love working on the tools and the satisfaction I get from doing a good job, love your videos and the quality of work you guys do.👏👏👏.
Hi Jordan, although not an electrician by trade, I do watch and enjoy every video. Great team of installers, keep us all smiling, witty, cheeky but turning out consistent quality work..perfect.! Cheers, Alex.
Thanks Alex
Is nice to see you on the tools Jordan. I worked at an Australian Govt building construction fire research lab. The fire separation integrity is something that so many trades don't give a toss about, from domestic to commercial. That cutting of the ceiling is shocking. I also question the polystyrene beads. If fire got into the cavity they'd probably go wooshka.
In WA the fire integrity of the domestic switchboard was the main item picked up by the Western Power inspectorate. They're recently relented as there has never been a domestic switchboard fire that has spread into the property!
in most of Europe it became illegal to use PS as insulation in the late 1980s or early 90s (depends on country), because of the fire hazard. And while it's been replaced by proper insulation in most places, since the PS foam is terrible insulation as well, in the UK old installations will remain until it becomes necessary to pull it out. Many houses built before between WW2 and the 1973 oil crisis merely had a cavity between the inner and outer walls, to act as the only form of insulation - and this goes for all of Europe - so some chose to blow the cavities full of PS beads to provide some kind of insulation. In Denmark they instead used proper insulation mats chopped up into tiny pieces, which is a lot safer and more efficient, but don't know if it was done in any other places.
Great seeing you back on the job sites, but miss you and Corey working together and the fun you both have while doing excellent informative work.
+1 👍
You might want to sleeve the cable through the wall if you are having a chemical reaction with the insulation.
There is attention to detail, and then there is Artisan Electrics! Love your approach to each job being grade A effort.
Thanks 🙏
I love watching your channel Jordan!, I am a QS but have been an Electrician for over 30 years, mostly on commercial. I love when you find "shocking" or "mad" wiring, as I mainly think that you have seen nothing (not a criticism, you have probably just been lucky) compared to some of the commercial or industrial installations I have come across over the years, its difficult not to become desensitised to some of it. Keep up the 5 star life!!
23:29
Funny to hear that!
Sjongejongejonge is a Dutch expression when you're very amazed/frustrated by something or struggling with something.
Your impression was quite good :-).
I hope you understand!
Cheers from the Netherlands
Haha awesome I knew we had some Dutch subscribers
Yeah you do! How bout that Andersen you promised you’d come and install 😇😂
Perfect pronouncing of a good old Dutch expression of disbelief and horror. Love it
I once came across twin and earth deterioration when installing a new bathroom. Behind the walls were sheets of polystyrene insulation and the old cables had been sitting against it for years. It wasn’t all the way through to the conductors but the outer sheath looked like it had melted at parts
I had a Thai worker cut a hole in cement board to fit a outside socket for a friend on a outside wall it was a cement board and the internal wall plaster board filled with polystyrene beads for insulation . When I arrived at the job all the beeds were out of the wall in that location. I bagged as many as we could recover. He did not attempt to stop the flow. The Thai worker got the job to fill the cavity from the roof space very hot and sweaty. The joys of Electrical work in Thailand.
Love the vids. A fountain of Knowledge.
Whilst I never saw any plastersizer issues I did see issues with washing up liquid! In the 80s I was looking after multiple estates in south east London constructed from preformed concrete. In one particular estate we started to see ring mains going down regularly. We found when pulling the cables out the insulation on the single core was completely liquified. it was found that when the cables were installed they did not put conduit in the walls. They simply hale preformed "conduits" in the concrete. to get the cables pulled through they used to use washing up liquid! 20 or so years later this broke the cables down causing issues. Residents used to complain of goo oozing out of sockets or in some cases "fizzing" in the walls.
The resolution was to rewire using preformed skirting trunking.
The expression "Tjonge jonge jonge....." is an understatement for the loose connection block. Inside the board is a "tjonge jonge jonge" situation, it's more used if you wonder why some did something in a certain way.
Greetings from the Netherlands.
Picobello BV
Tsjonge jonge indeed. Always surprised to see where you find the consumer unit. Being Dutch, we always find it in the same place, right above the meter, within 3 meters from the front door.
I can’t agree with you more Jordan. There is something really satisfying about working on the tools and seeing what you’ve actually done at the end of the day. Fault finding and fixing issues is without doubt the most satisfying, and you always have a happy customer as they can now use there upstairs lights, or take a hot shower etc. It’s instant feedback.
I like fault finding but polishing turds gets boring fast.
A moment to appreciate the cinematography on these videos…..honestly worth the investment in the cameraman!
The cavity is full of insulation good luck not getting any touching cables. If that concerned why not drill larger hole and put some copex, trunken, conduit or whatever in to prevent any issues .. you made issue about it then don’t negate it .
That's why he wrapped the tails in gaffer tape. You only need to prevent contact, not mechanical protection as such.
I dont know how I missed this one Jordan but I had to laugh when the bead insulation started to pour out of the cavity. I had the same happen when fitting a cooker back box and the breeze block crumbled. I had to shove a card board box up against the wall until I could get a back box in and foam it up. It looked like it had snowed in the kitchen.
Nice to see you back Jordan 👌🏻
As a plumber, I very rarely get away with the angle drilling stuff. And on gas, it is forbidden. You sparks are so lucky :P
Great to see your attention to the details, not only looks good it give the customer confidence. 🤓👍
Well, "sjonge jonge jonge" (translates to something like "oh dear oh dear") is surely appropriate here! Good thing for the customer Artisan is there now to do their trademark quality job!
Haha thanks
Oh my, oh my, oh my 🤤
Polystyrene beads:- What about drilling a much larger diameter hole and feeding a large diameter insulated fibrous shroud and feed that through, then inside that, insert and feed through the power cables you wish to use?
Yeah that could work
Sjonge jonge jonge. Wat een zootje. Lekkere video Jordan!
Nice one I’ve been watching for the last 5 years and congratulations on the 100 k
Always good to have the boss giving a little help on site 👍😂😂😂
Thanks a lot
The dutch expression "sjongejonge" means pretty much "boy o boy". You said it exactly right, making it clear to anybody that's an expression of being surprised in a bad way by some dodgy stuff you just found. :)
So I started my business what I was 22 a couple of years ago now, and went from evening and weekends to full time in February this year and have loved it since.
It’s been class so far and in all honesty seeing how you’ve grown as a business over time has got me really excited for the future, and hoping that it continues to g the way it currently is!
Always a pleasure to watch the videos you guys out out, I guess even when you’re qualified with a few additional courses I still finding myself learning new things on here!
Have a great new year gents 🍻
Thanks and congrats on your business too!
Dave Bruce , hi, when going through the cavity, can you drill slightly larger so you can put a length of plastic conduit all the way through to protect cables from insulation pellets?
Cant beat getting out on the tools. Nice to see you and Lee working hard at the coal face. Powerful
When Jordan was looking through the window it reminded me of Harry from home alone when he is peering in looking at Kevin Mcallister 😂
Me coming from a 35 amp main fuse in the Netherlands. Funny to see the difference between countries. My greatest culture shock is the placing of the meter outside and the main fuse box just placed wherever there's space. How different with the "metercloset" in the Netherlands
It depends on the age of the property. Many new builds have a meter cupboard outside to house the meter and incoming fuse... older properties have it inside the house, usually in a cupboard under the stairs or the likes :)
Our meters in the US have always been on the outside. Since we have changed over to smart meters all reading is done remotely from the main offices. Also, most homes have a 200 amp main breaker.
You guys need 200amps as almost everything you use is double the current of the uk.
Ohms law doesn’t lie 😜
@ At least your panels are built to a conservative industrial standard and will probably be good for 50 years. Here it is a race to the bottom. Before the recent requirement for metal enclosures, some consumer units were little better than tupperware sandwich boxes. And equally flammable. And you can get MCBs for the budget ranges for around £2
I'm not an electrician but it happened few times to find some old device still in the box with the original polystyrene packaging and the cable was "melted" into the polystyrene.
This is why is best to bag the item before putting it in contact with the packaging and coincidentally this is actually how you find most new devices
Cable tongue is an absolute god send. I love mine 👍
the insulating beads jam a long nozzle with expanding foam in there early into the job quick squirt then wait a bit, once it dries drill through that should stop the beads coming down.
Nice tip!
Fascinating. I served my time in the 60s 14th edition. It was during the changeover from the likes of 7029 to 2.5mm squared and ft lbs became Newtons per metre squared etc. While the craft side of the job is still broadly the same, the inspection and testing has moved on considerably, as have the regs. I left the trade in 1971, eventually becoming a rocking horse maker for 30 years.
The way you handled that drill bit I see the rumour is true, that your starting your own Fracking Company. 😀😁😂 Regarding the leaching, definitely sleeve across cavities. What to do with the beads afterwards. Collect them all up go into the loft and drop them into the cavity or drill another hole and put the Hoover on blow 😁 The effect looks a bit like black spot on a sycamore leaf. I wonder if JW has looked into it. 🤔
love your enthusiasm for your trade. I'm a 63yr old Plasterer that gets very disappointed with the standard and lack of pride in the youngsters in the trade now. Really enjoy your vids . thanks. ps watched your Electric van vid and would definitely NOT be getting an Electric powered van. lol
great work on the tools , with Jordan and Lee and no verbal direr
Lee looks ecstatic to be there
In Germany we avoid the plasticizer migration by using a piece of this white rigid conduit so the cable is not in direct contact with the polysterene. They are also made of PVC, but since they're rigid, they contain no plasticizer and so cause no trouble.
About that dutch expression, I would say roughly something like "oh Boy!"
Does this actually affect the PVC? I've seen it happen a few times and as far as I could tell it was only melting the polystyrene, the PVC was fine. Plasticiser leeching out of PVC is a normal process but usually doesn't hurt cables much, they just become a bit harder to strip if you're doing any alterations later on. I've worked with PVC cables as old as the late 1950s and they were all perfectly fine, unlike the older VIR.
Great job tidying that dogs dinner up in the cabinet Jordan! It's always difficult when you have to tidy things up temporary when you know you'll be back later to rip it all out again. But, regs are regs.
Thanks for the Unilite code Jordan, bought a few lights the other day and the 25% comes in handy. Especially for a some company like myself
Happy to help!
I love those dummy dimmers, i had one in my old house and it used to confuse the hell out of people.
Hi guys, I really enjoyed this video. I’d like to say that I’m enjoying watching lee’s videos I really think you have a great team. Keep up the great entertainment and merry Christmas. Kind regards Robert in Australia
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Hey I'm a learning electrician who's finished studying. I'm now working on site with a qualified electrician doing my NVQ. I'm looking in to buying an electrical MFT. I seen a video of you unpacking the Fluke 1664 FC is that a good Tester to buy?
Great video as always and good quality work. If a job is worth doing correctly it's worth taking the time on it.👍
My dad is a spark and from being 12/13 years old i was helping him on sites during school holidays. It has been reminding me of some of the things that he taught me from watching the videos.
My distribution board connecting over 50 years as an Industrial electrician was quality,if you want a sample of my work go to Norfolk and Norwich Hospital where I connected a few
Jordan’s Dutch Saying is … I need some Pringles ! 😂😃🎄👍🏻
Haha
I retired 3 years ago and all my old boards were pretty smart, i fitted a flue for a hob exracter at 4 " and those bloody beads filled the garden, no hole saws in those days so hammer and chisel.
Excellent work guys as always, Jordan dusting off the tools 👍
13:26 What a heart warming moment.
Am i glad i live in the Netherlands!Were we have one cupboard for everything.Gasmeter,watermeter and electrics,etc..😁😁 But we are special because we also switch the blue wires..Not just the brown.
nice to see you back on the tools jordan
Always use adaptorflex through the cavity
never seen plastersizer used as wall insulation before as it is very flammable. in old houses here we can find sawdust used as insulation, usually there is glasfiber wool and rockwool in later installations.
Awesome to see the Boss Man on the tools again,I bet you were lovin it Jordan,it's been a while,I think we need a Jordan & Cory video for old time sake hey?sounds like a plan my good Man!😉😁
I was working in a loft once that had polystyrene ball insulation. The cable insulation had become sticking to touch. I told the homeowner and got the usual reply when I give bad news 'no one else has said that'.
I’m never convinced that allowing a person outside your house to isolate your electrical supply is a good thing? I think I’d like a steel door and padlock on mine… but I’m from Manchester!
Go over to some parts of Australia - the whole consumer unit is often outside in an open porch secured by - nothing! Water valves similarly often in the open. Guess they are more honest over there - despite the convict past!
@@barrieshepherd7694 When there well located, sometimes it's around the far corner of the house accessible via a narrow garden between the house and a fence. And yet the reg's only require the meter and the main service fuse to be outside!
Put a piece of pvc pipe through the wall and then put the cabels through the wall so the cabel don't touching the wall cavity insulation
Why not install the new board with 3 circuits initially, the ev charger and two feeders to the old panels, then take out those feeder circuits when you move everything out of the old panels.
Ah polystyrene cavity insulation joy o joy. Normally sleeve it through the wall, beads have a habit of eventually coming back out if you don't sleeve and seal. Don't tend to like using tape as depending on the tape it can also cause issues over time with insulation. That said worst one I came across was 16mm tails on an 80 Amp incomer with bead insulation in the wall un-sleeved - after 5 years the DNO fuse had popped due to the installation being at almost constant maximum demand the heat combined with the polystyrene had caused the insulation on the tails to for want of a better word melt and then directly short out. Only seen it that bad once, never since but this is going back 15 years now see the odd one but no where near as bad, just dimpled and the balls stuck to it.
Please wish all the staff a Merry Christmas for me. Love your vlogs.
Hi Jordan! I'm Dutch and your 'Sjongejongejonge' is absolutely brilliant... as if a Dutch person is speaking, perfect accent. So funny. Love your videos, even though I'm not a sparky, they are so fun to watch. Keep up the good work and cheers to your team!
Haha awesome thanks
Believe the plasticiser migrates from the polystyrene to the pvc, the polystyrene breaks down and leaves a sticky residue on the outside of the pvc insulation but it doesn’t degrade it.
I now understand why some people give J it tight . There is something annoying about his voice and way he interacts.. but hey everyone different and the guys done well so well done 👏
Thanks
15:23 That's funny, here in the USA we typically use 6AWG (16mm2) or 4AWG (25mm2) for the Tesla chargers depending on the distance. As small at the Tesla base is to work in is fun with rear entry and even 6AWG wire it become almost impossible with 4AWG and while being stranded, its very stiff still. I would love to be able to use 12AWG (4mm2) or 10AWG (6mm2) cable. However with 11.5KW (48A) we have to use much larger wire. Keep up the good work sir.
Merry Christmas Jordan & Staff
Nice work done ❤
Wow... Two panels that was crazy! The cabinet should take off because can't see inside cabinet's wall. Oh well.. Also Very funny Jordon's face smile on window Look like a Snowman. Make me laughed.. Great team work! Thumbs up! Cheers!
Re problem of wall cavities. I like to slide some 20mm PVC conduit through to guide stubborn cables through the cavity as well as protecting them from polystyrene and rodents (maybe). Only problem is a 20mm drill only seems to make a 19mm hole. So I take off-cuts and pass them over my table saw at home, just to put a single 3mm slot in the pipe. This closes up and reduces diam.of pipe when you push it through the wall. Will take 6mm SWA.
It’s great to see guys that take pride in their jobs. I really enjoy the videos as I have learnt a lot from them, thank you so much. BillyG
Excellent work Artisan team. I’m from the U.S. and I find it so bizarre that you don’t use conduit for exterior ran wires. I know the cables rated for outdoor but why isn’t conduit used? IMO it would look waaaay nicer especially when painted as opposed to a wire with clips.
Why not have the charger for the car nearer the car, to the left of the company fuse, else too close to crosswise wall? Fire-resisting foam will sort out the insulation problem. You are so right I hate lounge-lizard tasks, doing it is better. However you cannot get the staff and to train them slows work. Those you can get want mpre than poorer folk can afford.
That corrugated plastic pipe from the fan unit to the outside is going to be half full of condensed water soon. The fan and pipe should have been elevated to cause condensed water to drain towards the outside and the pipe up from the bathroom (and preferably to the outside) should have been double walled / insulated.
I am quite impressed! I do see what appears to be service entrance equipment (U.S. term) coming into
a cupboard at times with no metal enclosure.
STOP cavity wall insulation falling out - You might like to try drilling 4 holes at 90 degrees to each other around the area where you likely to be working, say 100mm apart in a north/east/south/west configuration then inject Expanding Foam (Fire Rated) if you think it is beneficial to add a fire break then once it has had time to dry, that will keep the polystyrene beads in place. Unfortunately, losing the beads around the area where you’re working not only makes a mess, but you could end up creating a cold spot/possible cause a condensation problem in the future as well degrading the heat retention properties of the house.
Sjonge jonge :) That is a great Dutch expression indeed ;) B.t.w. so interesting to see the different ways electrics are done in neighboring countries. In NL we always feed wires through (mainly rigid) PVC conduit. I also do not often see cables running outside of buildings apart from incidental sunscreen power supplies. Often the conduits are first milled / plastered in then the wires are pulled through it.
I’ve been seeing a lot of flexi-conduit for sale with singles already installed - that’s a lot closer to running cables than the old ways. I assume it’s easier, especially in modern stick built inner walls.
We do have actual cables (ymvk/xmvk) but I don’t think they’re allowed to be inside walls…
Why is Jordan, sporting a Thomas Nagy Beard ??
😂😂😂
I will never understand why the UK allows those horrid board placements. There is no other country in Europe where it's legal to supply power to an installation like that. It's "either get a proper mainboard or live in the dark". And yes, doing it the mainland way starts around £600 for the mainboard installation, but then it gets done right, it's properly accessible and safe, and you don't have to chase all over the place looking for different boxes because everything is (and has to be) contained in one place.
Great video and your work is outstanding and always so professional. Have a great Christmas guys! 🎄
Thanks a lot!
Nice to see Jordan back on the working videos rather than in the office :)
no problem in the Netherlands with the insulation. we do not use this type of insulation material for cavity walls.
sjongejongejonge, I am always amazed at how much difference there is in electrical installations in different countries. in the netherlands it is out of the woods that individual conductors are installed without protection. keep up the good work guys.
I have had problems with the insulation beads coming out of drilled holes. If I find the cavity is filled with these I inject foam just above the hole to hold the beads in place drill another hole inject there drill though this foam no problems.
Great video Jordan. When doing the R1+R2 with the link lead, you need to null the resistance of the link lead. Not that it made much of a difference in this instance lol.
Hi Ciaran, could you explain what "null the resustance of link lead" is and benefits of doing so/what does it prevent? For non electricians like me to understand more👍
@@TeezerDriz In this video they are using a R1+R2 link lead for handiness. When carrying out continuity tests, you need to null the resistance of the “links leads” before doing the test. You need to do this or else you will also be measuring the resistance of the wire you’re using for the link lead.
Henley blocks with exposed copper seems like a bit of an issue more than the usual run of exposed copper - that’s a cat IV, 60-100A fused electrocution hazard, not “just” a cat II or III one with RCD protection. Yikes.
Hello, why didn't you use a bit of 32mm conduit through the wall skins to prevent the contact with the cables? Regards David Rayner
Tjonge jonge jonge , yes i know what it means 😂. Its like" MAN WTF what a mess" !
I’ve just had Insulate Britain on the phone Jordan and they are not happy 😂
Sjonge jonge jonge jonge! the insulation balls were fun to see...
Your Dutch pronunciation was spot on 👌😎😊
I am wondering why you never use plastic pipes??Its better outside because off the straigtnes off the pipe.Those plastic bals cant get into contact with the cables etc.etc..Look at that white cable outside!Thats not right!Better with a pipe!Everything is better with a pipe!
All on a 60 amp fuse... wow what a mess. I do like how metal CU, metal boxes, all metal but then install these in particle board / wooden cabinets that are plastic coated! So if there is some sort of event you wouldn't know right away because its enclosed. 💥🤦♂🤷♂ I assume they put a bunch of flammable stuff in the cabinet as well.
Where do you stop though with non-flammable materials? The CU's not meant to be fireproof but to contain any fire for longer than plastic.
@@tobysherring1369 I completely agree with you. Its just funny that they were steel, wood, plastic and then back to steel. Here in the US, a good percentage are located in the wall cavities and are flush mount. That is the norm, unless mounted in a basement and then put surface mount on concrete basement wall for example. There are a few cities like Chicago that require all residential wiring be located in steel conduit throughout the entire house. Luckily here in Texas its just in the walls with NM-B (twin and earth basically).
I guess 4 mill. cable will be too thin for 32 amps when placed inside the polystyrene. This could cause overheating issues.
In regards to putting the new hager board in, perhaps it's worth it in the long run to keep a mini 4 port hager in the vans for temp installs and just change the fuses / trips for each job to save on wasting a new board everytime you need a temp fix, and then you can save new boards for fresh installs, we know Cory's got spare room in his pringles pot for a 4 port so storage won't be an issue, ps id love to go for a drink with you guys one day would be funny as hell
Just thinking of cost effectiveness considering it could run up £30 loss each time you waste a new board that could be used in customers house
Yes observer's the migration ,the insulation on the ring cables was bubbly and the polystyrene balls embedded into it as well.
Not keen on mounting a cu and henley block on the kitchen cabinet, just causes issues if changing the kitchen
Some days you just have a "sjonge jonge" day 😭 greetings from a dutch electrician 😁👍
Hello! Was waiting for it 😅
Old boy sparky probably had room to work before that stupid closet was built around it. I'd toss it in aswell if i had to fit it in there.
I would have used a shorter drill first and then the great long one, less chance of it buckling.
Never understand why they do it like that.
"Sjongejongejonge" means something like "oh boy, oh boy, oh boy" but with a little more angriness behind it. Often used in situations where someone else has screwed up and it ends up being your problem.