Oh, and on last thing I forgot to add. Holy jesus, mary and joseph!! My brain cannot comprehend how this woman, 9 months pregnant Jessica Leccia, can look so DAMN GORGEOUS and ABSO-FREAKIN-LUTELY STUNNING!!! Dimples simply kills me....*swoons*
About Gus, he never was truly IN love w/Nat, her loved her but not IN love like w/Harley. He thought he could with time n wanted to do right by his family (Rafe). Nat eventually realizes he doesn't n Gus confesses, so the Liv thing was understandable. He was attracted to her but didn't love her either. This is smthing nobody remembers about Nat. The love of her life didn't love her back, so she's as 'damaged' in the love dept. as Liv and her multiple failures. Otalia is so brilliant!
For some strange reason I liked this episode. natalia seemed to be getting more resolved in her love for olivia, and this was evidenced when Natalia said to rafe "You still have to show me some respect..." I am still not sure how the otalia story will end. I still have my reservations though...lol. Come september whichever way it goes, it will be a storyline worth remembering! We could not have asked for any other persons other than JL and CC to bring chemistry to this storyline. Amen
I quiet agree Frank is one of those blokes who cannot see that Nat loves Olivia so Frank take a hike also rafe show some respect let your mother let your mother and oliviabe together you are nothing in my book butsomeone who is trying to be a big man grow up you jerk.
Exactly!!! Who was the one who even when she didn't have a dime to her name still found the time to check up on everyone and do sweet things for them: visiting Dinah in prison, cooking for Marina the idiot and Mallet in case they didn't have time cause of baby henry, volunteering at the church, getting Daisy to step up at Marina's kidnapped baby baptism. This woman has been nothing but amazing and caring to them, and this is what she gets back?! Screw the whole lot!! They don't deserve Dimples!
"Olivia needs to straighten Natalia out" lol when she said that!!!!!!!!! Shut up Marina!! They looked so cute in the office and the smiles at the end OMG! xxxx
Nat: Loved Nat's trip down Otalia memory lane and telling her she didn't want anyone to doubt their love! Huge THUD!! Liv: finally Liv said again 'I love u'!! Hadn't said it since the spa. Both: I choose you!!! Oh lawd..killin' me here. The head tilt lip gazing thing...OMG, seriously...these little heart attacks hurt, ya know, LOL
Father Riddler: ''u need to man up and help her, not turn your back on her''. Finally the drinking priest says something right. Too bad Rafie isn't listening. Marina-Furtz convo about Olivia 'straightening out' Nat made me LMAO so much. I love our cheeky writers! Rafe: 'You're not the mother I thought I knew'. Well gues what, u're not the son she thought she had, ya know, the one who wants her to be happy...*grumbles* Furtz-Marina-Liv: I wished she would have ripped her a new one.
don´t forget the EVEN IF WE`RE SEPERATE...WITHOUT THE DRAMA -line!! :-) they thought all things through, and still choose each other. my gosh, this scene killed me!!! :-D
Father Ray is the last person that Rafe should talk to. He comes from a Family of Mobsters. I realize as a Priest he has to take a Vow of Silence but he could say, there are alot of couples who didn't work out and they moved on, My Brother Tony married a Woman that he didn't love who lied to him over and over again and although I knew the truth I couldn't tell.
*standing up and waving hello* First time poster. Fell into Otalia last week, and I too did an Otaliafan marathon until 3am. I am absolutely hooked. Checked out AMC - phooey fake. Does not compare to the talent and story Otalia gives us.
Frankenstein and marina are goobers they need to worry about there own relations instead of otalia. I love how nat took a stroll down memory lane to sum up in short sentences on how they ended up together, and olivias like stop i get it, lol and isn't shady baby soo freakin adorable with his smiles;)
I completely agree, Nobra! Frank never put Nat's needs first... marriage was the only way she would sleep with him again, and he knew it. Olivia doesn't think about anything but Nat's needs. It's just perfect that Natalia gets it and is growing more confident w/each asshole that opens their mouth.
I love the term Chappelled! However, let us not forget that it wouldn't work if we were all a little Leccia'd as well. For me I like being tag teamed with all those looks...and the eyes...and the closeness...and the....[departed to watch again]
Dimples is absolutely BEAUTIFUL today, (everyday), but especially lovely today. crazy about the slightly straighter hair with less curls. and for some reason i couldn't stop picturing that hair flowing over Livi, (if u know what i mean). anyway despite all the shittiness they faced today, their smiles for each other in the office just turns it all around!!! I don't get upset anymore by the plot things writers are using to get us thru ML cuz once she's back girlfriends...PROMISED LAND
I agree when whomever said that Rafe shouldn't live with Frank. He's never really lived alone for as long as I could remember, either with Eleni, His Father, His Daughter, Above Company, etc. Also, Frank's got to stop "rescuing" Rafe. He's done enough as it is, IE Helping him get to a "Safer" Prison along with Olivia, Getting Him To A Halfway House, and furthermore, I think Rafe should have spent more time in the Halfway House before rejoining Society. He still has so much to learn.
I think the lack of communication on everyones part is amazing. Everybodies got something to say but no one wants to listen to Liv or Nat. All they want to do is pass judgment on something that they haven't even bothered to really look at. The biggest thing that most are missing is how Liv has changed. She's not about herself anymore she's about what's best for Nat and Rafe and even Frank. But everyone seems to be stuck on the whole "lesbian" drama.
i wouldnt blame olivia if she had thrown that cup of coffee in marinas face. luv the "i choose u....i choose u too and i love u" lines nat- "i know all my best qualities." the way oliv was looking u, i think she wants to know all of your best assets, nat. like nat telling rafe he stills has to respect her. thats right. she brought you into this world and she can take u out.
I think that they showed Reva today talking to Olivia because somewhere down the line Reva may prove to be on there side. Since Olivia gave Jeffery the divorce with no problem they seem to get along better. I think Reva will get a kick out of it when she finds out about them. But won't be judgemental.
My Dad told me once that believing in God does not equal believing in the Bible or even in those who quote it so vehemently. He said that God is perfect but "Man" is imperfect and that that Bible was written by man in all 'his' imperfections: wrath, lust, greed, envy, pride... My Dad was the nicest person you could ever meet and he never once set foot in a church.
LOL sam, I think Nat was saying that that was the way people 'would perceive' it, without it necessarily being true. it was what it 'must look from the outside' and not what happened, cause we all know that post-non-wedding it was Nat running after Liv...'You STOP!'...oh, I'll never forget that moment...*shudders*
Ohh Liv looks like she might just rip Marina open lol. The "I choose you" part got me kind of teary eyed I am a sucker for mush... And I'm not going to comment on Rafe today lol.
rafe makes me laugh. He had premarital sex, his girlfriend has an abortion, and he goes to shoot the DA and lands in jail and then has the nerve to judge his mother for loving someone.
LOL straybarney, I totally agree about Natalia's legs....I was like...OMFG...$@#@....didn't know she was so...ummm...elastic? and making those 'yummy' sounds!!! Oh lord, my brain stopped functioning... *gasps for a cold bucket of water to dump on her head*
Whoa! That was better than I could of imagined.There is so much info in those two clips. Amazing. And Liv well she's a Tiger! She handled two men all night long, then a few hours later wanted Gus! Sh*t she needs this hiatus.. Watching Nat in that chair w/Gus was also oooh lala. Looks as if she was practicing for childbirth back then. Legs are crazy.. I love this s/l Gus may have stayed true to Nat, but Liv that vixen in the end she still got Gus's heart..then his wife. Olivia is Gangsta!
LOL...oh dear, I'm trying to remember. I was sometime before Gus died n Liv was geting sicker by the day, and not getting a new heart. She meets 2 guys at Towers and takes them to her room, LOL...they didn't 'show the action in the sheets, just them dancing (it was a bit hard to see, at least for me) with Liv in the middle, then the morning after waking up. Then Liv being the 'good natured' person she was back then, sent them to the room Dimples was cleaning 4 a special 'turn down' service, LOL
to make cookies. Actions speak louder that words. I don't get it. How could those two loving each other possibly hurt anyone else. The only people acting like Christians and not condemning others is N&O. Marina is a dumbsh*t, Frank is a dweeb, Rafe is a selfish, self centered son of a biscuit who has no room to talk about following rules and Olivia is Natalia's champion. This all is really yanking my chain. Can you tell? he he
Marina is in no position to Judge Natalia. She doesn't have a terrific Track Record. Ben Reade, not to mention Cyrus Foley whose the biggest Con Artist this side of Springfield. Her Husband "Bought" a Baby whose still in love with his Ex.
6:22 Ok... I'm faithful to my Dimples, but... if Liv gives me that " YEAH" as ANY answer... OMG!!! First I drop dead, but after... WHOA!!! I'M IN!! :-b
Olivia looked so womanish today. that's a good thing. Olivia is funny though, you can tell when she thinks a blow is about to come to her she either go get a drink or get very professional. like going behind the desk and clasping her hands like she's getting ready for a business meeting. How can you not love her. such a pro Holla
Rafe's been taught to be a homphobe by the Catholic Church. Father Rafe wants Rafe to help her but he still considers her a sinner because she loves Olivia.
And what's Rafe talking about when he says "she's the one who told him he can't have sex before marriage" Once again assuming she's in some lust filled Olivia trap, instead of recognizing she's in love. All he "saw" was some face touches and hand kisses. But then again seeing Liv and Nat touching each other in any way, and so sensuously at that..would make my mind wander too...
god i love you. that is exactly how i feel. and it took me a long time to come to that conclusion. i love god. i believe in him and is very close to him, i don't like reading the bible and don't believe in it because it contradic it self a lot. I know that god love me and NO matter what any one says i know that he will accept me with open arms i am his/ her child
I'm really feeling so sad 4 Nat n all that she has 2 deal with n sacrifice: getting judged by her pastor n the Church that is so important for her; getting rejected by her son who is the center of her life; put down by the idiot Coopers that she was very fond of; now having 2 quit her job. All the crap is raining on her in some way. I know Liv will have to deal w/Emma but she's financially independent, religion isn't an issue 4her, etc. I just want to hug Dimples n tell her it'll b OK :(
LOL I was quite surprised at Olivia at her statement about sex too!!! WOW, just by her statement, we can clearly see how Olivia truly loves Natalia. It's platonic LOVE~~ Not erotic!! This is the real love between women.
What happened to the 'Whatever makes you happy, makes me happy'? I mean. I don't really understand Rafe. He's acting like they are sinning really badly, but the only thing they have done untill now is feeling something. I didn't know feeling something is a sin. They haven't even really kissed. They haven't slept together. So. Man up and be there for your own mother!
Samkarfran, I know right. I think it was purposeful to drive home the point that, when it comes to same sex relationships; it is believed that your head should be able to control your heart. According to Frank, she followed her heart- her love and look at all the people she has hurt. For me, Frank, Rafe and F. Ray represent all those that think that they should be apologizing to society for their love. This had to get ugly, because the writers have tried to be realistic. This is realistic.
Hey did you guys ever watch the UK Version of Queer As Folk where Nathan's Mother gave Vincent's Mother Money to keep him in her House. I wonder if Natalia gave Frank Money to stay at The House or if Rafe gave Frank Money for Rent.
I am with you on all that, I think Marina needs to let it go more then anybody. Rafe just needs to face reality now! Frank isn't behaving as I thought he would but at least it is better then what I had thought.
come on marina...frank gets pulled back into Nat's life...eeerrr...let me refresh your memory...Frank was the one who showed up at the courtroom and "saved the day" when he offered to be Rafe's tutor when he didn't have to...so...I guess he volunteerly jumped back into Nat's life, right?!
N200 as an Otaliafan friend I know of your commitment to your late sister,that was gay, and your fight for gays to be treated as equally from society as you treat them. I am also glad you choose your friends for who they are. I'm just not sure what these things have to do with my opinion of how Rafe is so turned off by what he "saw" and does not want to "see" anything like it again. His mind interpreted something sexual. From simple touches of love. And People do this often Gay=sex
1. So that slouching, mumblng juevnile at the end was Rafe "man-ing up"? Really?! Poor lickle snookums - all that hand-holding by Otalia must be tough on him after juevy and all. 2. "Frank keeps getting pulled into Nat's life". Is that so Marina? Not Frank purposefully getting involved so that he has some lame reason to keep in Nat's life then?! I'm just saying 3. Rafe's "taking his meds and watching his sugar - he's a good boy". So lame. 4. Father Ray - lay off the collagen man!
Natalia almost marries Frank because she denied herself to suit others. TG she came to her senses. Works 3 jobs to get the kid a good lawyer and was willing to sell her body for him. Stands by him after he gets Daisy preg and also after he shoots a DA. So...how does he repay her unconditional love? He condemns her for loving differently. Fr.BigLips preaches to her about sinning (which commandment prohibits O&L loving each other) and then she and Olivia are the ONLY ones who show up
When exactly did Natalia lie to Rafe? Did he ask her if they were more than friends? WTF? I also wonder about Natalia's finances now that she has quit her job and the economy is bad. Hmmm Frank, Rafe, & Marina... GMAFBA....Thx.
I can't wait until Olivia an Natalia get finally get tired on everyone's sh@t and start telling people how it is and where to go! I'm so tired of them walking on eggshells and worrying about everyone elses feelings. What about what they've sacraficed for everyone else????
One more time... After watch todays ep... I'm pretty sure that CC has googled Bette Porter. I mean... Did you see the way she is dressed?!?! Olivia Dean Porter Spencer!
About Marina...too bad someone doesn't know she blackmailed the social worker into letting her adopt Henry. That's be a nice little tidbit to hold over her holier-than-thou head. That scene bugs me to this day. Is Springfield so small a town that they hold drug evidence in the captain's filing cabinet? With the keys to said cabinet in the captain's desk?
"this is real", "we will figure this out", "Frank is a great guy", "Rafe is a good kid"... please writers, do your job and WRITE, this show bores me to death
if Rafe sat down and listened to his mother, he'd know that Natalia was borderline suicidal over her feelings towards Olivia. If he sat down with her, he would know that she went to Ray, asked for help, prayed til she forgot most of the prayers, SLEPT WITH FRANK to get over her feelings and almost married the dipstick JUST TO KEEP HER SANITY. Sometimes, its better to just go nuts than to be nuts.
Nat and Liv look so beautiful in this episode. They always look great, but this one, both are just gorgeous!
Oh, and on last thing I forgot to add.
Holy jesus, mary and joseph!! My brain cannot comprehend how this woman, 9 months pregnant Jessica Leccia, can look so DAMN GORGEOUS and ABSO-FREAKIN-LUTELY STUNNING!!!
Dimples simply kills me....*swoons*
LOL - partjade! ... ummmm... errr... I must confess, I am obsessed. I am an addict, and I spend WAY TOO MUCH time watching and reading about Otalia!
About Gus, he never was truly IN love w/Nat, her loved her but not IN love like w/Harley. He thought he could with time n wanted to do right by his family (Rafe). Nat eventually realizes he doesn't n Gus confesses, so the Liv thing was understandable. He was attracted to her but didn't love her either. This is smthing nobody remembers about Nat. The love of her life didn't love her back, so she's as 'damaged' in the love dept. as Liv and her multiple failures. Otalia is so brilliant!
"I don't think Olivia will ever straighten Natalia out" - regardless of what I think about Frank, I have to admit this was funny.
Olivia is the only person who pulls out the best in Natalia. Everyone else wants her to be this dependent princesses.
For some strange reason I liked this episode. natalia seemed to be getting more resolved in her love for olivia, and this was evidenced when Natalia said to rafe "You still have to show me some respect..."
I am still not sure how the otalia story will end. I still have my reservations though...lol. Come september whichever way it goes, it will be a storyline worth remembering! We could not have asked for any other persons other than JL and CC to bring chemistry to this storyline. Amen
I quiet agree Frank is one of those blokes who cannot see that Nat loves Olivia so Frank take a hike also rafe show some respect let your mother let your mother and oliviabe together you are nothing in my book butsomeone who is trying to be a big man grow up you jerk.
Exactly!!! Who was the one who even when she didn't have a dime to her name still found the time to check up on everyone and do sweet things for them: visiting Dinah in prison, cooking for Marina the idiot and Mallet in case they didn't have time cause of baby henry, volunteering at the church, getting Daisy to step up at Marina's kidnapped baby baptism. This woman has been nothing but amazing and caring to them, and this is what she gets back?! Screw the whole lot!! They don't deserve Dimples!
"Olivia needs to straighten Natalia out" lol when she said that!!!!!!!!!
Shut up Marina!!
They looked so cute in the office and the smiles at the end OMG!
xxxx
"Well, I don't think Olivia will ever..uhm..'straighten' out Natalia" hahahahaah
Lol! "I don't think Olivia will, ever, straighten natalia out." Nice, very nice.
Nat: Loved Nat's trip down Otalia memory lane and telling her she didn't want anyone to doubt their love! Huge THUD!!
Liv: finally Liv said again 'I love u'!! Hadn't said it since the spa.
Both: I choose you!!! Oh lawd..killin' me here.
The head tilt lip gazing thing...OMG, seriously...these little heart attacks hurt, ya know, LOL
5:17 this scene has no business being that cute 😭🥹
Father Riddler: ''u need to man up and help her, not turn your back on her''. Finally the drinking priest says something right. Too bad Rafie isn't listening.
Marina-Furtz convo about Olivia 'straightening out' Nat made me LMAO so much. I love our cheeky writers!
Rafe: 'You're not the mother I thought I knew'. Well gues what, u're not the son she thought she had, ya know, the one who wants her to be happy...*grumbles*
Furtz-Marina-Liv: I wished she would have ripped her a new one.
don´t forget the EVEN IF WE`RE SEPERATE...WITHOUT THE DRAMA -line!! :-)
they thought all things through, and still choose each other. my gosh, this scene killed me!!! :-D
Father Ray is the last person that Rafe should talk to. He comes from a Family of Mobsters. I realize as a Priest he has to take a Vow of Silence but he could say, there are alot of couples who didn't work out and they moved on, My Brother Tony married a Woman that he didn't love who lied to him over and over again and although I knew the truth I couldn't tell.
*standing up and waving hello* First time poster. Fell into Otalia last week, and I too did an Otaliafan marathon until 3am. I am absolutely hooked. Checked out AMC - phooey fake. Does not compare to the talent and story Otalia gives us.
Frankenstein and marina are goobers they need to worry about there own relations instead of otalia. I love how nat took a stroll down memory lane to sum up in short sentences on how they ended up together, and olivias like stop i get it, lol and isn't shady baby soo freakin adorable with his smiles;)
The old Olivia would have ripped Marina a new one for talkin about Natalia like that... Just sayin.
I completely agree, Nobra!
Frank never put Nat's needs first... marriage was the only way she would sleep with him again, and he knew it. Olivia doesn't think about anything but Nat's needs. It's just perfect that Natalia gets it and is growing more confident w/each asshole that opens their mouth.
I love the term Chappelled! However, let us not forget that it wouldn't work if we were all a little Leccia'd as well. For me I like being tag teamed with all those looks...and the eyes...and the closeness...and the....[departed to watch again]
Dimples is absolutely BEAUTIFUL today, (everyday), but especially lovely today. crazy about the slightly straighter hair with less curls. and for some reason i couldn't stop picturing that hair flowing over Livi, (if u know what i mean). anyway despite all the shittiness they faced today, their smiles for each other in the office just turns it all around!!! I don't get upset anymore by the plot things writers are using to get us thru ML cuz once she's back girlfriends...PROMISED LAND
I agree when whomever said that Rafe shouldn't live with Frank. He's never really lived alone for as long as I could remember, either with Eleni, His Father, His Daughter, Above Company, etc. Also, Frank's got to stop "rescuing" Rafe. He's done enough as it is, IE Helping him get to a "Safer" Prison along with Olivia, Getting Him To A Halfway House, and furthermore, I think Rafe should have spent more time in the Halfway House before rejoining Society. He still has so much to learn.
Pozo, you ROCK! You and Nobra200 together are a force to be reckoned with.
I think the lack of communication on everyones part is amazing. Everybodies got something to say but no one wants to listen to Liv or Nat. All they want to do is pass judgment on something that they haven't even bothered to really look at.
The biggest thing that most are missing is how Liv has changed. She's not about herself anymore she's about what's best for Nat and Rafe and even Frank. But everyone seems to be stuck on the whole "lesbian" drama.
Man I am sooo with you with the good man/good kid stuff, it make me want to scream each time it's mentioned.
LMAO....you are so right!!!! I'd be drooling everytime she hugged me or gave me a kiss...no, I'd actually faint and have a heart attack, LOL...
Frank says" it doesn't seem like you" 2:22 .How the hell would he know, he never "knew" Nat and he "never " will!
i wouldnt blame olivia if she had thrown that cup of coffee in marinas face.
luv the "i choose u....i choose u too and i love u" lines
nat- "i know all my best qualities." the way oliv was looking u, i think she wants to know all of your best assets, nat.
like nat telling rafe he stills has to respect her. thats right. she brought you into this world and she can take u out.
I think that they showed Reva today talking to Olivia because somewhere down the line Reva may prove to be on there side. Since Olivia gave Jeffery the divorce with no problem they seem to get along better. I think Reva will get a kick out of it when she finds out about them. But won't be judgemental.
My Dad told me once that believing in God does not equal believing in the Bible or even in those who quote it so vehemently. He said that God is perfect but "Man" is imperfect and that that Bible was written by man in all 'his' imperfections: wrath, lust, greed, envy, pride... My Dad was the nicest person you could ever meet and he never once set foot in a church.
wow nice play on words there Franky boy. ' i don't think Olivia will ever straighten Natalia out.' ha that is funny.
LOL sam, I think Nat was saying that that was the way people 'would perceive' it, without it necessarily being true. it was what it 'must look from the outside' and not what happened, cause we all know that post-non-wedding it was Nat running after Liv...'You STOP!'...oh, I'll never forget that moment...*shudders*
Ohh Liv looks like she might just rip Marina open lol.
The "I choose you" part got me kind of teary eyed I am a sucker for mush...
And I'm not going to comment on Rafe today lol.
Would anyone agree that it seems like Frank is enjoying his little 'neener, neener' moment with Natalia. Like he's enjoying rubbing her nose in it.
Love CC’s body language.
Totally agree! Frank's been on FIRE with his lil one liners lately LOL
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Crystal giggled at 7:59-8:00!!!! and it was so freakin cute ^_^
In a top/bottom relationship, I always heard the bottoms have all the control and in this clip I can definitely see it. Poor Olivia!!!!
The song for liv and Nat should be I choose you by sara Bailey💋💋🎵❤❤👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
omg frank had the best line lol " i dont think olivia will ever be able to straighten natalia out" yay he can joke now!
rafe makes me laugh. He had premarital sex, his girlfriend has an abortion, and he goes to shoot the DA and lands in jail and then has the nerve to judge his mother for loving someone.
wow....i love how natalia gives the whole otalia mini-synopsis @ 05:54-06:15. lol
And...if Nat is pregnant...how is Rafe going to accept Frank for knocking up his mama prior to the attempt at the vows?
I love that song.
Smack major down!!!!!!! YOU HAVE JUST SAID WHAT I WANTED TO EXPRESS
I'm sick of everyone talking about Rafe like he's a kid. He is 19/20. He isn't 13.
He's 19, an adult in the laws eyes! They all treat him like he's a kid and Frank is a stupid ass
LOL straybarney, I totally agree about Natalia's legs....I was like...OMFG...$@#@....didn't know she was so...ummm...elastic? and making those 'yummy' sounds!!! Oh lord, my brain stopped functioning...
*gasps for a cold bucket of water to dump on her head*
Whoa! That was better than I could of imagined.There is so much info in those two clips. Amazing.
And Liv well she's a Tiger! She handled two men all night long, then a few hours later wanted Gus!
Sh*t she needs this hiatus..
Watching Nat in that chair w/Gus was also oooh lala.
Looks as if she was practicing for childbirth back then. Legs are crazy..
I love this s/l Gus may have stayed true to Nat, but Liv that vixen in the end she still got Gus's heart..then his wife.
Olivia is Gangsta!
Good looking out. Can you say new screen saver?
Good looking out. Can you say screen saver?
GO CC!! Frank and marina hahaha..I bet u didn't expect that!!
LOL...oh dear, I'm trying to remember. I was sometime before Gus died n Liv was geting sicker by the day, and not getting a new heart. She meets 2 guys at Towers and takes them to her room, LOL...they didn't 'show the action in the sheets, just them dancing (it was a bit hard to see, at least for me) with Liv in the middle, then the morning after waking up. Then Liv being the 'good natured' person she was back then, sent them to the room Dimples was cleaning 4 a special 'turn down' service, LOL
"I DON'T THINK OLIVIA CAN STRAIGHTEN NATALIA OUT"... FRANK
Ohh ok interesting..you are still my hero for telling me where to find that clip! Yumm!
to make cookies. Actions speak louder that words. I don't get it. How could those two loving each other possibly hurt anyone else. The only people acting like Christians and not condemning others is N&O. Marina is a dumbsh*t, Frank is a dweeb, Rafe is a selfish, self centered son of a biscuit who has no room to talk about following rules and Olivia is Natalia's champion. This all is really yanking my chain. Can you tell? he he
Marina is in no position to Judge Natalia. She doesn't have a terrific Track Record. Ben Reade, not to mention Cyrus Foley whose the biggest Con Artist this side of Springfield. Her Husband "Bought" a Baby whose still in love with his Ex.
What the f*** is up with the Cooper Family!!!? You go tell her Olivia!!! X3
6:22
Ok...
I'm faithful to my Dimples, but... if Liv gives me that " YEAH" as ANY answer... OMG!!!
First I drop dead, but after... WHOA!!!
I'M IN!!
:-b
is it really possible to mess up hard boiled eggs?
Olivia looked so womanish today. that's a good thing.
Olivia is funny though, you can tell when she thinks a blow is about to come to her she either go get a drink or get very professional. like going behind the desk and clasping her hands like she's getting ready for a business meeting. How can you not love her. such a pro
Holla
What's the name of the song and artist at 6:20?
Rafe's been taught to be a homphobe by the Catholic Church. Father Rafe wants Rafe to help her but he still considers her a sinner because she loves Olivia.
That caught my attention too, but not enough for Fr. Ray to redeem himself.
The advocate?? Which issue?
LOL...was my explanation confusing, stray?! I don't seem to make sense these days...all the evil spoilers have got my head spinning!!! :D
And what's Rafe talking about when he says "she's the one who told him he can't have sex before marriage"
Once again assuming she's in some lust filled Olivia trap, instead of recognizing she's in love.
All he "saw" was some face touches and hand kisses.
But then again seeing Liv and Nat touching each other in any way, and so sensuously at that..would make my mind wander too...
god i love you. that is exactly how i feel. and it took me a long time to come to that conclusion. i love god. i believe in him and is very close to him, i don't like reading the bible and don't believe in it because it contradic it self a lot. I know that god love me and NO matter what any one says i know that he will accept me with open arms i am his/ her child
I'm really feeling so sad 4 Nat n all that she has 2 deal with n sacrifice: getting judged by her pastor n the Church that is so important for her; getting rejected by her son who is the center of her life; put down by the idiot Coopers that she was very fond of; now having 2 quit her job. All the crap is raining on her in some way.
I know Liv will have to deal w/Emma but she's financially independent, religion isn't an issue 4her, etc.
I just want to hug Dimples n tell her it'll b OK :(
Love the mini desk scoots, Liv 7:52 Nat 7:54.
LOL I was quite surprised at Olivia at her statement about sex too!!!
WOW, just by her statement, we can clearly see how Olivia truly loves Natalia. It's platonic LOVE~~ Not erotic!!
This is the real love between women.
when she said i choose you i yelled
POKEMON!!
like a right twat lmaaooo
What happened to the 'Whatever makes you happy, makes me happy'? I mean. I don't really understand Rafe.
He's acting like they are sinning really badly, but the only thing they have done untill now is feeling something. I didn't know feeling something is a sin. They haven't even really kissed. They haven't slept together.
So. Man up and be there for your own mother!
if olivia spencer told me I choose YOU like that... i would pass the fck out!!!
Samkarfran, I know right. I think it was purposeful to drive home the point that, when it comes to same sex relationships; it is believed that your head should be able to control your heart. According to Frank, she followed her heart- her love and look at all the people she has hurt.
For me, Frank, Rafe and F. Ray represent all those that think that they should be apologizing to society for their love. This had to get ugly, because the writers have tried to be realistic.
This is realistic.
why the hell is rafe bringing up the nosex before marriage thing. wasn't he the one that got daisy pregnant.
Can any1 tell me the reason natalia quit her job cos i jst dont get why she wud do tht! Im at wrk investin jst cant help it lol
hahaha totally thought the same thing
LEGENDARY LINES RIGHT THERE
One word on that picture... "WHOA!!!!"
Hey did you guys ever watch the UK Version of Queer As Folk where Nathan's Mother gave Vincent's Mother Money to keep him in her House. I wonder if Natalia gave Frank Money to stay at The House or if Rafe gave Frank Money for Rent.
Fr Ray said one thing right....that Rafe needs to man up and stand by his mom.
I am with you on all that, I think Marina needs to let it go more then anybody. Rafe just needs to face reality now! Frank isn't behaving as I thought he would but at least it is better then what I had thought.
come on marina...frank gets pulled back into Nat's life...eeerrr...let me refresh your memory...Frank was the one who showed up at the courtroom and "saved the day" when he offered to be Rafe's tutor when he didn't have to...so...I guess he volunteerly jumped back into Nat's life, right?!
No their is Olivia (in Soap land) ..LMAO
You are right
N200 as an Otaliafan friend I know of your commitment to your late sister,that was gay, and your fight for gays to be treated as equally from society as you treat them.
I am also glad you choose your friends for who they are.
I'm just not sure what these things have to do with my opinion of how Rafe is so turned off by what he "saw" and does not want to "see" anything like it again. His mind interpreted something sexual.
From simple touches of love.
And People do this often
Gay=sex
1. So that slouching, mumblng juevnile at the end was Rafe "man-ing up"? Really?! Poor lickle snookums - all that hand-holding by Otalia must be tough on him after juevy and all.
2. "Frank keeps getting pulled into Nat's life". Is that so Marina? Not Frank purposefully getting involved so that he has some lame reason to keep in Nat's life then?! I'm just saying
3. Rafe's "taking his meds and watching his sugar - he's a good boy". So lame.
4. Father Ray - lay off the collagen man!
Natalia almost marries Frank because she denied herself to suit others. TG she came to her senses. Works 3 jobs to get the kid a good lawyer and was willing to sell her body for him. Stands by him after he gets Daisy preg and also after he shoots a DA. So...how does he repay her unconditional love? He condemns her for loving differently. Fr.BigLips preaches to her about sinning (which commandment prohibits O&L loving each other) and then she and Olivia are the ONLY ones who show up
Icing... then why do you want to sell me short!!!
When exactly did Natalia lie to Rafe? Did he ask her if they were more than friends? WTF? I also wonder about Natalia's finances now that she has quit her job and the economy is bad. Hmmm
Frank, Rafe, & Marina... GMAFBA....Thx.
againnn
waiting
againnnnnnnn
waiting
afff writer
come onnnnnnnnnnn
I can't wait until Olivia an Natalia get finally get tired on everyone's sh@t and start telling people how it is and where to go! I'm so tired of them walking on eggshells and worrying about everyone elses feelings. What about what they've sacraficed for everyone else????
One more time...
After watch todays ep...
I'm pretty sure that CC has googled Bette Porter.
I mean... Did you see the way she is dressed?!?!
Olivia Dean Porter Spencer!
About Marina...too bad someone doesn't know she blackmailed the social worker into letting her adopt Henry. That's be a nice little tidbit to hold over her holier-than-thou head.
That scene bugs me to this day. Is Springfield so small a town that they hold drug evidence in the captain's filing cabinet? With the keys to said cabinet in the captain's desk?
lol, even back then oliv was considerate and caring for natalia.
Hey... did anybody ask Marina for her opinion?
LOL! Its SOMEONE sat on youtube and recapped it in conversation.
"this is real", "we will figure this out", "Frank is a great guy", "Rafe is a good kid"... please writers, do your job and WRITE, this show bores me to death
She actually works with Olivia at the hotel, as like an assistant manager or something.
Pencil it in folks - August 7th - last day o filming for GL people. Black arm bands all around.
Maybe we should wear rainbow ones in memory of Otalia.
if Rafe sat down and listened to his mother, he'd know that Natalia was borderline suicidal over her feelings towards Olivia. If he sat down with her, he would know that she went to Ray, asked for help, prayed til she forgot most of the prayers, SLEPT WITH FRANK to get over her feelings and almost married the dipstick JUST TO KEEP HER SANITY. Sometimes, its better to just go nuts than to be nuts.