@@jacquelinelowery5589 Exactly Jacqueline!, and hello Diana they were not even written by you. She is a nasty B! because she was insecure as hell, Florence was the best singer and Mary was the real beauty in the group, and if Diana wasnt screwing the boss, Berry Devil Gordy, she would not even have a career
@@jermaphobic8308 did she sing those songs? When in concert the Arisits a lot of the time will sing another artist song. If it's just to give homage or a shout out. It's done all the time.
Gladys was jealous of Diana and is making this story up. Gladys did the same thing with Aretha Franklin claiming Aretha didn't like her. Gladys is phony.
@@asmrlilvezzy6601 Gladys is a smiling liar. Look at how Gladys lied on Aretha Franklin too. How Gladys also made accusations against her ex-husbands Les Brown, Barry Hankerson and even her own son Shanga. The truth is Gladys was a covert bully towards Diana and doesn't know her well. Gladys and the Pips were trouble makers on that tour with the Supremes and at Motown. Gladys is foul.
I grew up listening to them back in the day in real time. Most of the rumors about her turned out to be true including that she got the how she got the lead due to her relationship with Berry. She did get pregnant with his child and try to pass her off as the white man she married. There are all kinds of stories as she toured with other groups on a bus in the 60's. Gladys Knight told a lot of what went on. Diana was a piece of work all right.There were always rumors that Michael Jackson's song Dirty Diana was about her.
she was a class act and would have made it without Barry Gordy or the supremes as she has proven over the years. as far as being a piece of work, that's why she is famous because of her talent and hard work.
Mary Wilson said in her book about the interview when Diana Ross said « there are stand-in’s for Mary Wilson and Florence Ballard but no one can stand in for me », it was the 1* time she ever knew that…
When you’re sleeping with the boss you will definitely be the lead singer shame on Berry Gordy he is wrong for pulling Gladys Knight and the Pips off the tour, and this never ends it keeps repeating
@@dtrn254 this is all true Ms Ross was not a nice person in her early years and it is well Documented When you sleep with the Boss you have his heart and Soul and Ms Ross used that to get what she wanted She was ruthless... have a great day
@@peacefull778 Stop the BS. Your old lies are weak. Diana and Berry were in a real romantic/professional relationship. But if you wanna compare, lets: 😳 1. TINA TURNER slept with and married her first manager (Ike Turner) and then slept with and married her record company head (Ervin Bach at EMI Records) 😳 2. MARIAH CAREY slept with and married the head of her record company (Tommy Mottola at Sony Records) 3. BEYONCÉ slept with and married a record label head and billionaire (Jay Z at Def Jam, Tidal etc...). She is also the daughter of former record label head (Matthew Knowles Music World Entertainment). 4. CELINE DION slept with and married her manager (René Angélil) 5. ASHANTI slept with her record label head (Irv Gotti at Murder Inc.) 6. TEENA MARIE slept with her record company producer (Rick James at Motown Records) 7. VANITY slept with her record company producer (Prince have Warner Bros Records) 8. LIL KIM slept with her record label producer (Biggie Smalls at Bad Boy Records) 9. GLADYS KNIGHT slept with and married a record label head (Barry Hankerson at Black Ground Records) 10. JERMAINE JACKSON slept with and married the daughter of his record company (Berry Gordy at Motown Records). 11. MARY J BLIGE slept with and married her manager (Kendu Isaacs) 12. MICHEL'LE slept with and married her record company head (Suge Knight at Death Row Records) 12. PEBBLES slept with and married her record company head (LA REID) 13. PATTI LABELLE slept with and married her manager (Armstead Edwards) 14. FLORENCE BALLARD slept with and married her own chauffeur and manager (Tommy Chapman) 15. MARY WILSON slept with many 'married' men (Tom Jones, Flip Wilson, Duke Fakir) and married her manager (Pedro) 👉 😳😳😳👀👀👀 Your bullsh**t doesn't add up.
@@dtrn254 for someone to sit and type all that.... said one thing about YOU.. and that is ..You need a life And time for Fun Take care and all the best🙏
@@peacefull778 You've been busted for your bullsh*t. Here are the facts: 😳 1. TINA TURNER slept with and married her first manager (Ike Turner) and then slept with and married her record company head (Ervin Bach at EMI Records) 😳 2. MARIAH CAREY slept with and married the head of her record company (Tommy Mottola at Sony Records) 3. BEYONCÉ slept with and married a record label head and billionaire (Jay Z at Def Jam, Tidal etc...). She is also the daughter of former record label head (Matthew Knowles Music World Entertainment). 4. CELINE DION slept with and married her manager (René Angélil) 5. ASHANTI slept with her record label head (Irv Gotti at Murder Inc.) 6. TEENA MARIE slept with her record company producer (Rick James at Motown Records) 7. VANITY slept with her record company producer (Prince have Warner Bros Records) 8. LIL KIM slept with her record label producer (Biggie Smalls at Bad Boy Records) 9. GLADYS KNIGHT slept with and married a record label head (Barry Hankerson at Black Ground Records) 10. JERMAINE JACKSON slept with and married the daughter of his record company (Berry Gordy at Motown Records). 11. MARY J BLIGE slept with and married her manager (Kendu Isaacs) 12. MICHEL'LE slept with and married her record company head (Suge Knight at Death Row Records) 12. PEBBLES slept with and married her record company head (LA REID) 13. PATTI LABELLE slept with and married her manager (Armstead Edwards) 14. FLORENCE BALLARD slept with and married her own chauffeur and manager (Tommy Chapman) 15. MARY WILSON slept with many 'married' men (Tom Jones, Flip Wilson, Duke Fakir) and married her manager (Pedro) 👉 😳😳😳👀👀👀 Your bullsh**t doesn't add up. To
Wow! Diana Ross told Carson in front of millions of viewers that Motown had stand-ins for Flo and Mary, and right in front of the two of them. Massive insult. I read Mary Wilson's book and now believe everything she wrote: Diana Ross did anything and everything to insult and get rid of her band mates. Wilson even said Diana would spy on the two and report anything she didn't like to Gordy.
Well they don't call her the Original Diva for nothing...but in the end, Diana still had excellent talent who earned all the accolades and paved the way/opened doors for numerous women of color who entered show biz after her.
@@cajayson8301 Absolutely Diana has talent. It's just sad that she's an example of success at the expense of other people. It was a well known fact that Flo was the one with the outstanding singing voice and yet Berry Gordy saw fit to promote only his lover, rather than the girl with the outstanding singing voice. Makes me wonder if what Mary Wilson said isn't true...about Diana wanting everything for herself and not wanting to share with others.
@@TaDarling1 Well a good friend of mine has dealt with Mary on a personal basis and said Mary herself is quite the diva so perhaps both of them are their own worst enemy. As for promoting Diana over Flo, she was anointed well before she started sleeping with Berry. The issue was commercialism: which voice sold more tracks. While Flo had an impeccable singing voice, it was Diana's that brought in the money amidst an era of racial turmoil & discord. Berry thought as a strategic businessman and clearly it worked out in the end with Motown rising as a juggernaut record label with Diana Ross & The Supremes being the most significant factor in that catapult to stardom...and it wouldn't have risen as much had Flo been lead.
We have MANY accounts of Diana's behaviors. From male and female. Now this doesnt take away from her work ethic and talent. It doesnt negate that there may have been some that were jealous of the attention and opportunities. Like Gladys said, you can be the star, just dont stop my opportunities.
Lmao. What 'males and females'? 🤣.... It's the same tired 4 people who were deeply jealous of Diana and wanted her spot (Mary, Flo, Gladys and Patti). Diana was very much LOVED at Motown by the people who mattered 👇: Michael Jackson Stevie Wonder Marvin Gaye Nickolas Ashford Valerie Simpson Smokey Robinson The Temptations Rick James Suzanne dePasse Janie Bradford Claudette Robinson Lionel Richie Berry Gordy etc...etc....etc....
@@damontrent1971 I hate when people say this. Obviously Diana couldn't stop Dionne or Aretha, because of their individual success. But I think she made a serious attempt to end Patti and Gladys. The reality is , is that both Patti and Gladys are AMAZING talents. How many careers of artists with more fragile voices like Diana herself have did she actually end? We may never know! Even Mary Wells said that Berry Gordy used money from her sales to promote the Supremes and it was one of her reasons for leaving MoTown. I bet Diana was behind that. You can accomplish a lot when you are sleeping with the boss.
@@BWP-tv5sy what are you smoking? Aretha and Diana were home girls.... Why is it always the low intelligent black people like you who make dumb ass comments like this? Diana BARELY KNEW Gladys Knight.... And she knew Patti LaBelle even less. As far as Dionne is concerned, Diana never had a beef. Diana is literally one of the most successful entertainers of all time, she DIDN'T travel in the same circles. These women weren't in the same power rooms... The people Diana was associating with didn't want to associate with Patti, Gladys or Dionne. Get this through your head: 'Diana doesn't really know the women and literally has never spent time with them'. Wake up.
I suggest watching “Ashley SaysSo”video about Diana Ross if you want the real tea. Cause this sleeping with the boss thing wasn’t even happening until mid point in Diana’s career. It was not like that in the beginning at all. And not the reason she was chosen as the lead.
@@damontrent1971You could name ALL THE PEOPLE in the world. It doesn't change the FACT that Diana was behaving UGLY AND JEALOUS with doing things like demanding Gladys and the Pips be removed from a tour. AND DIANA CAN'T SING! She's nowhere near the league of Gladys or Patti. You have to TOLERATE Diana's singing.
There’s so many people my intuition says “NOOOO!” Too and it bugs me when others are “you dislike them for no reason, you’re a jealous cunt/you’re a bitch.” And thennnn I turn out to be right and the person is exposed as a bad person! And then, I feel vindicated and get my 7 chuckles! Always follow your intuitive feeling/ “listen to your gut!” It will never lead you astray, you just have to listen to yourself and never doubt. You get those feelings of “I’m gonna walk away” for a reason! And here, we have that example, don’t trust any “prima Donna/DIANA” “diva” (except the 5th Element’s Diva Opra Singa😉😉😛 awwwhaha huh ha huhahuahuaaaaaa!) Also, Nichole Kidman, bad vibes a-bounty!
My mom and aunts met them as well as other Motown artists back in the day. They all said oh Mary was so cute and I liked Flo. I asked about Diana and they all were like ehhh she was okay but....yeah she is something else. She is talented I won’t take that away from her but yeah she is a tad self centered
Lmao 😂🤣 It's the same tired black jealous bitches (as my mother said): Mary, Flo, Gladys and Patti. They all wanted Diana's spot so bad. But they either couldn't sing, were too ugly or didn't have good oratory skills or manners. Diana was very much LOVED at Motown by the people who truly mattered 👇: Michael Jackson Stevie Wonder Marvin Gaye Nickolas Ashford Girl Askey Valerie Simpson Smokey Robinson The Temptations Rick James Suzanne dePasse Mickey Steveneon Janie Bradford Claudette Robinson Cindy Birdsong Holland Dozier Holland Lionel Richie Berry Gordy etc...etc....etc....
Yes… my mom grew up with them in Detroit and said exact thing. Florence was pure talent but Diana was a dirty low down backstabbing jealous dog. Never respected her. She knew who to sleep with to get her insecure boney self to the top.
Actually it did. Jean Terrell stepped in and much success with her replacing Ross. I've always believed Mary's history... Yes it's The Supremes. Being the #1 female group of all time. The Supremes. Period
Lmao 😂🤣 It's the same tired black jealous bitches (as my mother said): Mary, Flo, Gladys and Patti. They all wanted Diana's spot so bad. But they either couldn't sing, were too ugly or didn't have good oratory skills or manners. Diana was very much LOVED at Motown by the people who truly mattered 👇: Michael Jackson Stevie Wonder Marvin Gaye Nickolas Ashford Girl Askey Valerie Simpson Smokey Robinson The Temptations Rick James Suzanne dePasse Mickey Steveneon Janie Bradford Claudette Robinson Cindy Birdsong Holland Dozier Holland Lionel Richie Berry Gordy etc...etc....etc....
Diana is was a very Bratty person, and used Barry with her womanly attributes. She had access to the boss and used it like a weapon of mass destruction. You do not have to destroy people to shine! 🤨
Stop lying. I've been studying Diana Ross for over 40 years... she never placed her hands in front of anybody's face while performing. Stop lying on that woman.
@@LisaLisaCJ '21' likes and not '1' piece of evidence 😂🤣😂. No proof b/c Diana didn't do what you claim. PS - ignorant people 'like' ignorant sh*t all day on YT 👉🤡
Not a surprise-Ross got rid of Florence Ballard like she had Gordy take Gladys Knight and the pips off the tour with the Supremes because GN& T Pips were so popular. Ross was hated by many many people.
Stop lying. Florence Ballard was a belligerent alcoholic and didn't stay long with the group after their major hits came from 1964 to 1967. Holland Dozier Holland weren't interested in Flo's voice and neither was Berry Gordy. No one owed Flo a career she couldn't handle.
@@dtrn254 Because of trauma. She was raped at a young age, and being pushed aside in a group she helped create didn’t help. Knowing that Diana is known to be very hard to work with, none of this helped. It’s not that she couldn’t handle it, the circumstances were never in her favor. Also you’re wrong about her voice, they say she was more talented than Diana, but Diana appealed to white audiences. And that’s what Berry Gordy wanted, but Florence had a voice, where they said if she sung, she had your full attention. Don’t diminish her struggles
@@Unknown-sx5yn Save the lies, Florence Ballard was one of the richest women in America but threw it away because she was jealous of her childhood girlfriend Diana. Flo was also sleeping with her paid chauffeur. She definitely was not a better person than Diana and she was nobody's victim .
@@dtrn254 Wtf are you talking about? You just seem to hate Florence for no reason. I would be mad too if the group I helped start was pushing me aside for someone else. It was jealousy. You’re just speaking non sense. She slept with her chauffeur, okay? Literally adds nothing to the conversation. She shouldn’t be looked down upon for who she sleeps with, that’s her goddamn business.
@@Unknown-sx5yn Florence Ballard was literally one of 'THE RICHEST' women in the world by 1966. This big lie that Flo was a victim more than the majority of black women by 1967 is ridiculous. Flo unfortunately became a text book example of being self-entitled and belligerent with money and fame. She did less work and sadly felt privileged.
VERY good question. I don’t think she would’ve made it as a solo from the beginning. Diana was Berry’s project from ‘67 on. That was the beginning of the group name change and Diana being out front more. They were grooming her for a solo career. Diana once told Berry “if u think it, I’ll do it.
IF I had been either Flo or Mary during that LIVE Johnny Carson interview and the BEYOTCH Diane causally announced that either of us can be "replaced" ON AIR, they would've had to GO TO A COMMERCIAL INSTANTLY because it would've been time for a SERIOUS BEATING.
@@damontrent1971 Ummm…….NO , she WAS NOT. Ross & Gordy had been horizontal repeatedly because she wanted to become “DianA” and leave them in the dust. She was obviously mighty good in the sack as she had his baby. Flo was the other FOUNDING MEMBER along with Mary and she had a hugely superior voice to Ross. She got screwed, completely but not sexually. All due to “Miss” “Ross” and her baby-and-sugar-daddy Gordy.
@@greeneyedwarlock882 Lmao 😂🤣 It's the same tired black jealous bitches (as my mother said): Mary, Flo, Gladys and Patti. They all wanted Diana's spot so bad. But they either couldn't sing, were too ugly or didn't have good oratory skills, manners or expert fashion sense. They were MAD with envy 😡 Diana was very much LOVED at Motown by the people who truly mattered 👇: Michael Jackson Stevie Wonder Marvin Gaye Nickolas Ashford Girl Askey Valerie Simpson Smokey Robinson The Temptations Rick James Suzanne dePasse Mickey Steveneon Janie Bradford Claudette Robinson Cindy Birdsong Holland Dozier Holland Lionel Richie Berry Gordy etc...etc....etc....
@@greeneyedwarlock882 So YOU really want to talk about who was sleeping with who? Let's go 😳👇: 1. TINA TURNER slept with and married her first manager (Ike Turner) and then slept with and married her record company head (Ervin Bach at EMI Records) 😳 2. MARIAH CAREY slept with and married the head of her record company (Tommy Mottola at Sony Records) 3. CHER slept with and married her manager and record producer (Sonny Bono) 4. BEYONCÉ slept with and married a record label head and billionaire (Jay Z at Def Jam, Tidal etc...). She is also the daughter of former record label head (Matthew Knowles Music World Entertainment). 5. CELINE DION slept with and married her manager (René Angélil) 6. JENNIFER LOPEZ slept with record company owner (Sean Combs) 7. ASHANTI slept with her record label head (Irv Gotti at Murder Inc.) 8. TEENA MARIE slept with her record company producer (Rick James at Motown Records) 9. VANITY slept with her record company producer (Prince have Warner Bros Records). Vanity also slept with Motown writer and producer (Rick James). 10. LIL KIM slept with her record label producer (Biggie Smalls at Bad Boy Records) 11. GLADYS KNIGHT slept with and married a record label head (Barry Hankerson at Black Ground Records) 12. JERMAINE JACKSON slept with and married the daughter of his record company (Berry Gordy at Motown Records). 13. MARY J BLIGE slept with and married her manager (Kendu Isaacs) 14. MICHEL'LE slept with and married her record company head (Suge Knight at Death Row Records) 15. PEBBLES slept with and married her record company head (LA REID) 16. PATTI LABELLE slept with and married her manager (Armstead Edwards) 17. MARY WILSON slept with MANY MARRIED MEN around Hollywood (Tom Jones, Duke Fakir, Flip Wilson etc.) Mary also slept with and married her manager (Pedro) 18. FLORENCE BALLARD slept with and married her own paid chauffeur and manager (Tommy Chapman). Tommy would exploit her earnings. 19. TAMMI TERRELL slept with a married man (Davi Ruffin) who already had three children and another girlfriend. So what's your point clown ? 👉 🤡
If beauty was the sole criteria to be the lead amongst the three, in my opinion Mary was ethereal and a much more refined and beautiful woman than Diana Ross had ever been but sadly it was all politics in the end which cost the other two women their careers and in Florence's case her health & her life.
They wanted to make Diana the lead because she was dating Barry. And Diana was smarter, more assertive to get to the top. Its Hollywood, to get to the top it takes more than just pretty face and a good voice. You got to be smart.
@@secrets.295 Of the original Supremes, you can see Diana radiated star quality. Some may argue she's not the prettiest or sing the best but she have that elusive IT factor.
Diana was a star! This does not mean she was the prettiest, could sing the best. This means that Diana could walk into a room and own it. At that time it meant that she could walk into a room with white men and take control. Diana's insecurities manifested privately, but publicly she was The Boss. Mary Wilson went to her grave talking about what Diana did. She could never separate herself from the Supremes because she was stuck in the 60s. The day Diana left the Supremes Mary should have also and went solo. What Diana did was wrong, but at the same time there was not a manual on how to be a young Black female superstar. She wrote the book.
This proves to me nice guys do finish last. Diana didn’t get where she is by bein nice. For example, she lobbied for the role of The Wiz. The director felt she was wrong for the part. She went over his head and went to Universal studios president. Fought for the role and got it. The film flopped, the film sucked, but she got what she wanted. Incredible.
Didn’t the Wiz almost bankrupt Motown’s movie department out in California? I guess the only one who truly accepted Dorothy as a 34 year old was Diana Ross. ‘Cause the rest of us weren't about to lay down our money to see her in that role. Loved the rest of the cast though 💕
So do many of us-- we are not bashing for hate-- but for justice and truth--- being in show business is scary and hard specially back in the 60s for black artists,,, IT was just that Flo lost her life and chance and her dreams.. and her spirit calls from the other side.. What happened.. only the truth -- not bagering or truly hating what was--- God knows and He sees--- but here on earth--- truth must prevail. It is for the betterment of ALL....
@Spanky Applegate I dont have to listen to her interviews because I believe I've seen them all. I'm team Mary, Is that okay with you sir? It's just my choice.
I believe Diana did form a relationship with Gordy to elevate her solo career...in a selfish way. And I'm sure she felt little guilt about what she did to Flo and Mary. However, remember.....they all were pretty young. And we all do things when we're young that we regret later in life as we mature.
Bullshit-she had many opportunities as she matured to right the wrongs she did to others and never did. Mary pointed this out til the end. Ross will always be known for only being for Ross!
@@justty4080 And Diana Ross wasn't the only one that did that it was an lot of singers that did that so stop making it look like it was only Diana Ross that went with the boss to stay paid
Jim Branca right then again ... wrong ... mary did vote because at the end of the day Gordy was going to do it regardless... it was a way to actually tell Mary to stay in her place or she next... then to add ... Flo was ask plenty off times by other artist of Motown if she would feature on one of their recordings and she said no... Flo eve the departure lf Diana Ross still wanted nothing to do with Motown ... You really think in your mind not for one second that Mary never ask Flo to come back or at least make some appearances you are Wrong... It was gordy doing and flo didnt want no parts after what she went through
Egypt PrinceT if you say so it is what it is. cant change the past. when u think about it its not that important tio me. i like all their music. and to me i guess thats all that maters
Don't be stupid. The Supremes were still signed to Motown, Berry Gordy's company when Jean Terrell joined. There was no way in Hell Berry Gordy was going to allow Florence Ballard back into his company to rejoin the Supremes.
Lmao 😂🤣 It's the same tired black jealous bitches (as my mother said): Mary, Flo, Gladys and Patti. They all wanted Diana's spot so bad. But they either couldn't sing, were too ugly or didn't have good oratory skills or manners. Diana was very much LOVED at Motown by the people who truly mattered 👇: Michael Jackson Stevie Wonder Marvin Gaye Nickolas Ashford Girl Askey Valerie Simpson Smokey Robinson The Temptations Rick James Suzanne dePasse Mickey Steveneon Janie Bradford Claudette Robinson Cindy Birdsong Holland Dozier Holland Lionel Richie Berry Gordy etc...etc....etc....
Diana was having a sexual relationship with the boss who was much older than her so he showed his appreciation made here the star and demoted the other two girls as just the backing singers, that is the truth of the matter.
florence ballard was really suppose to be the breakout star of the group. Not only she was a powerhouse vocalist that was comparable to the likes of etta jams, aretha franklin, mahalia jackson and barbra streisand, she also had potential skills in dancing, acting, stand up comedy and songwriting. When Hollywood film executives wanted to do high profile movies for Motown, they immediately wanted Flo as the star but berry told them that diana was the lead singer and thought it was better for her but they rejected it. When they tried to replace Flo when she was sick with walking penumonia at the copa, the owner threatened to cancel them as they saw flo as the banter for the group's live performances. I feel Flo just didn't have the right people around before and after she left the supremes and if that was the case, not do i believe she would still be alive today but her career would be successful knowing her potential
MALCOLM--- Well said. God gave all those girls the greatest potential of talent-- and that IS why they rose so fast-- Yes Diana was the voice that lead in certain songs but NOT ALL.. Shame that Flo - Mary was NOT given the opportunities that was given to Diana.. BG was a very stupid man at the time.. He could not see the forest for the trees ,.
@@fmtalks1543 Right! That is why I got irritated when Ross said that the new Supremes are still singing "HER" songs. Holland Dozier and Holland's songwriting made them stars and when they left, the Supremes had to scramble. Also, what has Ross achieved outside of Motown?
Flo needed some serious grit and tenacity. She should’ve been out for only herself after she started to see the writings on the wall with the Supremes. She should’ve quit ASAP, hired a lawyer to get her out of her Motown contract, signed a new record deal, found an ambitious manager and went IN towards crafting her own identity, brand, and solo career. I think her own demons and lack of confidence is what kept her stuck.
Lmao 😂🤣 It's the same tired black jealous bitches (as my mother said): Mary, Flo, Gladys and Patti. They all wanted Diana's spot so bad. But they either couldn't sing, were too ugly or didn't have good oratory skills or manners. Diana was very much LOVED at Motown by the people who truly mattered 👇: Michael Jackson Stevie Wonder Marvin Gaye Nickolas Ashford Girl Askey Valerie Simpson Smokey Robinson The Temptations Rick James Suzanne dePasse Mickey Steveneon Janie Bradford Claudette Robinson Cindy Birdsong Holland Dozier Holland Lionel Richie Berry Gordy etc...etc....etc....
Florence Ballard could barely speak in complete sentences. A colorist, who didn't like her darker-skinned girlfriend to be seen upfront although she was winning for the team. Florence 'Blondie' Ballard was an insufferable self-entitled, colorist who suffered a nervous breakdown when she wasn't considered desirable. Oh yeah let's talk about colorist Flo shall we 😳
Diana DID NOT want Oprah to bring up the Motown Anniversary Special account re: Diana pushing Mary back to be more in the background. As Oprah is relating the story, you can hear Diana say every so softly: "Oh my god." Oprah was not going to let Diana off the hook with her bad behavior back in the day!
Oprah Did let Diana off the hook!! Why didn't she address Florence being kicked out of the group, how Berry Gordy screwed her over and she ended up being on welfare or how she show boated at florence's funeral.
I had a boss when I worked for the phone company who told me that he previously worked as a road manager for all the Motown acts. His picture is at the Motown museum. He also told me that the reason his hair was gray prematurely was due to dealing with Diana Ross. Interesting.
In my opinion, Diana's best moment was Lady Sings the Blues. Her ego might exceed her talent but that ego made her a star, married her to two billionaires and raised phenomenal children. She has nothing for which to apologize. Diana did Diana.
Donna r we talking the 60s love ... plus i hate when people boost about women getting married to rich man ... To be honest Diana had the choice to marry any man at that time ...
Are you really justifying her spoilt behaviour because she is successful? Wrong will always be wrong. "Diana did Diana"...? What does that even mean?? (I know what you are TRYING to say but its very ignorant). Diana is not exempt from humility because she is a Legend who, as you outlined, has made a successful life for herself and for her children. On her journey to success, she made some awful, bratt-like decisions/ choices, or "mistakes" I suppose, and, probably, it was as a result of immaturity... I mean, she WAS fairly young at the time of these incidents.... but that doesn't change the fact that she was wrong for her behaviour. Even legends make mistakes, even legends have to take responsibility and apologize when they are wrong (although an actual "I am sorry" isn't always the way it has to be done) and it seems, they've grown up and become cordial.... its unfortunate though, that this story will always exist, even after they've grown and moved on. Always be kind to people, you won't want to be the "villain" / "the mean one" in anybody's story, especially if they become super successful....
Lmao 😂🤣 It's the same tired black jealous bitches (as my mother said): Mary, Flo, Gladys and Patti. They all wanted Diana's spot so bad. But they either couldn't sing, were too ugly or didn't have good oratory skills or manners. Diana was very much LOVED at Motown by the people who truly mattered 👇: Michael Jackson Stevie Wonder Marvin Gaye Nickolas Ashford Girl Askey Valerie Simpson Smokey Robinson The Temptations Rick James Suzanne dePasse Mickey Steveneon Janie Bradford Claudette Robinson Cindy Birdsong Holland Dozier Holland Lionel Richie Berry Gordy etc...etc....etc....
Neither Berry nor Arne are billionaires. In fact Diana was worth more than Arne at the time of their marriage (this is after Diane signed the RCA deal and made SOME royalties off the few RCA records that hit). Diana was not as talented as her peers. She had the sound cause Berry saw it as profit for him. But his push led to the tragic implosion of the Supremes and almost forced Motown to be shut down.
Diana Ross said that she is not going to defend what Mary Wilson said about the reason why Berry Gordy pushed her ahead of the other Supremes.And we know that Diana Ross sang lead on all the songs after she was made the official lead singer.Also the other girls could sing lead, but Berry Gordy felt that Diana's voice at that time ,was more commercial,so he went with what worked.Now even though this was the case,he could have let the other girls sing a lead or two, because this would not have taken anything away from Diana Ross, because a lot of people love Diana Ross, and Supremes fans loved Mary Wilson and Florence Ballard.Look at Destiny's Child , Berry Gordy could learn a lesson from them.Even Diana could have spoken up for her childhood friends because the ball was in her court.It seems as though that some people just got stepped on because Berry Gordy focused all his attention on Diana Ross and she still left Motown and found out that no one else is going to put up with the same things that Motown did.
Arthur Moon You are Right! After all of the negative stuff that still Gets f flung around about Miss Ross, and many times In Miss WILSON'S Face, I have always, Always seen her rise to the Defense and chide others for doing that and let them KNOW that She Loves her no matter WHAT the public and the media tries to cause others to perceive. In fact, THIS was the ONLY Time that Mary said this type of thing about her teammate because those In the know, KNOW it's factual and have SAID it. Maxine Powell has ALWAYS said it! I KNOW because I have SAT 'at her feet' while she told me a LOT of things about the industry, and brought the subject up herSELF without any influence. And Flo herSELF has said the EXACT SAME THING way before Mary ever came forth With it. But she's always Speaking UP for the other two in spite of the things the public believes and the media plays on! Miss Ross has not, except to benefit herself. As you can see, she immediately started in on Mary singing 'her songs'... but forgets that Barbara, Louie, Liza and others don't say that when she sings 'THEIR songs'.... and these songs are just as MUCH Wilson's as they are Ross's. They ALL were and ARE SUPREME and WORTHY. And they are WONDERFUL! I continually pray for proper reconciles! I Do!
It seems as though placing blame here and placing blame there we will never get any where.Because what is done is done.These people have made it and no matter what they continue to do or say they have moved on and bask in what ever you have remembered about these stars good or bad.Because when we are dead and gone life goes on.
TheReturnOfStephan1 the video was not to boost up what diana being a star we all knew she was a star , this video was about her being a back stabber, being mean, treating them like she is below them this is what this video about so keep the crab about her being a star we already knew that
TheReturnOfStephan1 i dont hate ross shes my favorite supreme... however i love the other supremes as well ... its proof that diana ross can be a bitch or was a bitch i will personally come back and give u the link when she saids it herself
TheReturnOfStephan1 at the end of the day you keep going around the fact for the way she was towards her peers, the supremes, and everyone else she chewed out for no reason why do you guys think that was ok... yall our like beyonce fans you guys never see the wrong in what they do but our so quick to point out what mary, or flo did why, there our books, stories, people even says it on live camera, etc etc on how she treated the supremes and her peers stop beating around the bush
People forget that Diana Ross was a young tomboy who would hang around the fellas,so to me that means she was already a tough little girl who was competitive.Some at Motown thought Diana;s voice was to nasal sounding and Flo was the better voice and Mary was prettier but Berry Gordy saw dollar signs.Diana was presented an opportunity and she took it and ran with it.
She still was all about money even back in 2000. She wants absolute creative control and was leaving mary out of it. Diana is more than just competitive. She wants to be the boss, even after decades of success it still wasnt enough. Thats not cool to me but then again its Hollywood. I see her in the same way I see Madonna. She knew how to work around the business and turn it into her advantage and no amount of fame is enough
@@secrets.295 Yep! It's her Aeries sun and Taurus moon -- fierce by nature personality that makes her the way she is. She was born to be a star and Gordy saw that ambition in her. She was the least attractive of the group and voice was certainly nasal sounding, but that type of sound she had was marketable to corporate white America back then. Gordy's goal was to break into the mainstream pop market, and boy did his plan work!
@@kilaadams7354 Can u please stop talking about race. Because its annoying. There are plenty of Black women back then that became huge even among white community.
Florence sounded a mess at 24 years old. Motown had to turn her mic down on the recording because she was making the production sound bad. HDH did not want to work with Flo as a lead because they didn't see it for her or Mary's vocals. They had the final say actually, not Berry.
@@DetroitLives313 The assisination of one the most important political figures in world politics and American society should stay with you, with all of us. The decisions that came from his administration shaped the lives of generations. One artist being favored over another, as Ross was over Knight, should not have destroyed her world and it didn't. Her career went onto great success, accolades, and wealth. Allow me to play devil's advocate, if Ross wasn't at Motown, does she honest3believe th
believe that First would have invested in her? I doubt and Knight knows this. He wanted that high polish, glamour, and beauty, of Ross' voice to get him into white echelon of show business. Gladys doesn't have this.
@vic1101ful You have drunk the Kool-AID! You know nothing other than to repeat the age old propaganda. Everyone knows Gladys Knight has always been a better singer and performer than Diana Ross! (Diana Ross admitted that in so many ways herself). Next, Berry Gordy wanted Freda Payne, not Diane Ross! The only reason Freda did not become the first First Lady of Motown is because her mom, Mrs. Farley would not let her sign with Berry Gordy. Diana Ross decided early on to use sex to get herself and the Supremes promoted within the ranks of Motown artists. She all but says so. Go check out her interview for "Inside the Actor's Studio". You cannot convince anyone that she was such a great talent unless they already want to believe that and there are way too many videos that prove that Diana Ross was a average, mundane talent. There were many, many women that were more talented and certainly more beautiful. High polish? Glamour? HA! Diane Ross was gangling, hard looking tomboy. The glamour dimension to the Supremes came from Mary Wilson. Ross use to borrow Wilson's clothes and ended being named the best dressed girl at Cass Tech H.S. in Detroit. This becoming a waste of time since the truth about Diana Ross has been out there for decades now beginning with Mary Wilson's bestseller "Dreamgirl, My Life As A Supreme". So whatever you say now is fantasy, personal opinion based on personal preference.
👍....Ms Diana Ross stayed focused on important things, like her family, her career and her health. Mary was always silly to me and lived her life being so bitter and envious of her childhood friend for succeeding. Smh. Shame.
@@JC-gq2lo that's where Mary and Flo f***** up. They should have been looking at the future like Diana. Mary ad Flo were focused on the WRONG things: petty, youthful nonsense...so was Gladys. They stayed clocking Diana's every move but missed working on themselves. They became stuck and angry.
Mary admitted that Diana's agressiveness made the SUPREMES great. One can't help but wonder just how far do you go in pursuit of greatness(?) They were "childhood friends" from 13 yrs old when all they had was each other and a BIG DREAM. It speaks to "character" when referencing the things she did to get to "superstardom." It's a shame that her selfish insecurity blinded her from her own genuine talent. She had the "gift" Mr. Gordy wanted to support financially; she didn't have to cut her friends' throats. She got what she wanted but to many she will always be on the wrong side of history. Fame, at the cost of hurting anyone you think is in your way, is "devil's work."
Diana Ross was from the projects and wanted more out of life. There is nothing the matter with ambition and she put fourth all the hard work that goes along with it. Berry Gordy didn't have a road map, he was creating the blueprint! We all know by now that the world of showbiz can be cutthroat and you have to have a thick skin on top of being talented. It was the 60's and 70's so Diana Ross had to be twice as good as her white counterparts in order to compete. She and Berry Gordy did that shit! Together they trailblazed and changed the game. You can't accomplish those sorts of things and expect to please everyone. Honestly, I don't get all the disdain toward Diana Ross. Where she started to where she's ended up should be commended, not ridiculed.
Bingo! say it louder for the idiots in the back..they cant hear you. so what she played nice with Barry Gordy , we all have to bend a little to get where we r if its important enough, the important thing is that u arrive and hold onto it, Diana is still standing and thriving which is alot more than u can say for some who have passed on from means other than natural causes. U can never define Diana as a prostitute, it was her brains that got her over the hump not that skinny little body of hers. it was Diana's voice that i took to right off the bat. it stood out amongst the rest.
@@ryensolar4000 u crazy af. Diana has blossom into a beautiful woman and her voice is phenomenal, her success speaks for itself and no one cares about your unfounded allegations, i doubt very seriously that Diana Ross who has been living in the lap of luxury gives a hoot about what u think, i love her voice and her music and it stood out amongst the rest.
I have a 1° and a 2° degree separation from miss Diana Ross. The first is my 9th grade teacher at Mrs. Wilemina Waddell, Who was a high school mate of DR. She was a super fair Creole Black lady. She once the girls in my class, "Oh, we ALL knew when Diane started sleeping with Mr. Gordy!". The 2nd was my roommate from college's mother who grew up in Detroit he was a Caucasian lady and she was attended the same high school. Very mind blowing!
It's written - what is due to Caesar , give it to Caesar.Therefore, I think that Diana has a naturally nice voice . However , I think that every human as an imperfection in their personality and the allegations that are made about hers are just as it is.Not to say that she was right to treat people so unfair.
It's funny that you say that because I've always thought that Diana Ross was a very mediocre singer! I never thought she had much of a singing voice! Shes more of a whispering type singer to me
@@antoniogarrett4888 exactly!!!!! People literally have no brains or backbones. Diana Ross sang like an old woman and she was jealous Gladys Knight gave the crowd a REAL show
Most of these comments are all about the jealousy of Diana Ross... ALL females go off the deep end including gay males can be terrible calculating human beings ... Diana Ross just did it best and won hers fair and square and that eats you all up! GET OVER IT!
I don't agree with how Diana handled herself, but the fact is she was the standout of the act and the one Berry thought could cross over to the white audience and he was right; however, he did not handle Florence's departure the way he should have. Mary was more a survivor than Flo.
Lmao 😂🤣 It's the same tired black jealous bitches (as my mother said): Mary, Flo, Gladys and Patti. They all wanted Diana's spot so bad. But they either couldn't sing, were too ugly or didn't have good oratory skills, manners or fashions. They were MAD 😡👉😡! 🤣 Diana was very much LOVED at Motown by the people who truly mattered 👇: Michael Jackson Stevie Wonder Marvin Gaye Nickolas Ashford Girl Askey Valerie Simpson Smokey Robinson The Temptations Rick James Suzanne dePasse Mickey Steveneon Janie Bradford Claudette Robinson Cindy Birdsong Holland Dozier Holland Lionel Richie Berry Gordy etc...etc....etc....
I think its admirable that she went on Oprah and lampooned herself right along with Miss Winfrey (No offense MISS Ross...LOL). Hey Diana Ross was R&B first diva and the stories are older than most of you guys that has commented. I know them all and guess what, she'still alright with me. Always been a big fan regardless to whom or what! #StillCominOut
At around 3:35 Diana's voice changed. That light sweet voice is an act that comes naturally after soooooo many years. I'm not mad at her. We all must do what we must to survive or 'make it'.
Pardon me---God see s everything--- in your mind --- in your heart--- this goes for ALL of us.. and Diana... you too. Jesus warned us ... don't die in your sins. Not one of us is perfect... we all have faults... Video s do not lie. People do!!
I liked Diana Ross as an artists but I don’t appreciate some of her interviews. She is a legend and is talented. I’d appreciate if she admits to things she’s done when younger that may not show her in the best light. It’s crazy how people will embarrass you publicly yet want to apologize privately. You don’t have to say every horrible thing you’ve done but it just lets me know you weren’t very nice and would step on anyone to get ahead. I don’t think being young unless you’re under 8 years old justifies nasty behavior. Don’t come for me in the comments. For those who are ok with her treatment of her fellow musicians then you would feel differently if it were you.🤷🏾♀️😳🙄
The Supremes weren't even singing on most of those records. It was Diana Ross and the Andantes, professional session singers who did most of the back up work behind Diana Ross.
Once Florence left (and even before when she missed sessions), the Andantes were on most (not all) Supremes recordings. It should be noted that after producers started using miscellaneous background vocalists, fans stopped listening to Supremes records as much…. The “Supremes sound” was gone.
Great point and thank you for mentioning! Lmao 😂🤣 It's the same tired black jealous bitches (as my mother said): Mary, Flo, Gladys and Patti. They all wanted Diana's spot so bad. But they either couldn't sing, were too ugly or didn't have good oratory skills, manners or expert fashion sense. They were MAD with envy 😡 Diana was very much LOVED at Motown by the people who truly mattered 👇: Michael Jackson Stevie Wonder Marvin Gaye Nickolas Ashford Girl Askey Valerie Simpson Smokey Robinson The Temptations Rick James Suzanne dePasse Mickey Steveneon Janie Bradford Claudette Robinson Cindy Birdsong Holland Dozier Holland Lionel Richie Berry Gordy etc...etc....etc....
Say what you want but if you don’t have the will to succeed you’ll be left behind just like everyone else. I’ve learned so much from Diana and I apply it to my daily life.
Even got pissed off because Gladys and her boys were singing circles around Ross, and called and snitched on them..This same type of stuff goes on in church..
Disagree. People offered Flo acting parts, and Berry rejected them because they weren't offering those roles to Diana. Berry could've promoted all three, and made superstars of each. Diana would've still been a megawatt superstar, but it didn't have to be at the expense of Mary, Florence, or the other greats at Motown. Furthermore, had Diana really had the "IT" factor and the others didn't, The Supremes would've never existed beyond the male doo-wop group that had the name first. Only Diana would've been told to come back after graduating high school.
@@channelskip what people? stop lying 🤣 ... Lunatics like y'all make up s*** that people can easily verify is false. Mary and Flo weren't even on most of the Supremes' songs, it was all DIANA. Flo could barely even complete sentences in an interview, she was a poor speaker. no oratory skills. Plus she oversang so badly that are HDH had to tell her to step back from the mic because she was ruining their songs. Any timer a producer tells you to step back it's not a good sign 😳
@@damontrent1971 I wrote what I wrote based on what I have good reason to believe to be valid information. Notice I did it without name-calling and subjective rebuttals. We're done.
I guess all the people talking negative things about Diana Ross here and everywhere else would reject a good job offer in order to please their friends. Berry Gordy was a businessman first and above all. He knew where the money was and who had the most marketable voice. 12 number one singles with the Supremes and 6 more as a solo artist plus an Oscar nomination and a gazillion of other achievements are proof of that. He believed in her more that she even believed in herself. Business is all about money so, their relationship was second to that. There are trains that only come once in a lifetime. If Diana Ross was a guy, we would be thinking of her as a powerful, important man instead of a bitch. Take that offer, you are not offending anyone. If you don't take it, another person will take it for you. They are not going to feel sorry for you, right? Life is hard so, if someone believes in you, don't deny that opportunity.
@rossnumberone2 You missed the whole point. She laid down on her back and opened up her legs wide to get the top job! So no, I would expect women to do that if they are truly qualified for the position. Of course Mr. Gordy knew where the money was, he use to be a street pimp in Detroit. A hustler.
@Spanky Applegate Diana Ross did not have a remarkable voice at all... it was ok at best. She got mega stardom because she was married to the owner of Motown so of course they are going to the best songwriters and best promotion. Which later helped her own solo career because she developed a name for herself. The sad thing is I think she was a girl with insecurities who wanted to be THAT girl that had it all.
Nah come on now. It’s true Diana got picked to lead before they became a couple but Diana was already Berry’s favorite girl by 1962 so he obviously wanted to see fit that her dreams came true no matter what. She probably would’ve stayed had Berry been paying her but according to her sales figures it was never recouped and when she finally did decide to leave she found out she was only worth $250,000 despite six solo number ones.
Oprah needs to be quiet. Diana can be seen throwing her hands in the other Supremes faces. Gladys Knight sing circles around Diana. Everyone is not lying on Diana.
@Anette Richard Oprah's right to rebuke nonsense. Please post links to the video(s)wherein Miss Ross throws her hands in front of the other Supremes' faces. Diana Ross sings just as well as Gladys Knight, but, she usually undersings, especially on record. Here's a link to one of the rare occasions wherein she performs in something close to her full voice: ua-cam.com/video/x9hj8FiDTyI/v-deo.html
TheReturnOfStephan1 The issue is that she called Berry and asked him to send Gladys Knight and the Pips home when they were performing together. That was and still is petty and insecure. It is very well documented. Nuff said as it is old news, but it is true. Ross fans need to acknowledge that she has done some devious things.
@TheRmjr The "issue" is that if this story is true, and I've seen celebrities circulate stories about Diana Ross that weren't, it would, indeed, speak to her(wholly unnecessary)insecurity. However, again, according to Cholly Atkins' autobiography, The O'Jays tried to do the exact same thing to GK&TP, but, I doubt, very seriously, that you'll be as upset by their action, primarily because you envy her, so, you'll look for anything to justify your resentment. Happy hunting!:)
TheReturnOfStephan1 I believe it is true. We are talking about this issue now and Gladys has no reason to lie. Perhaps she has "grown up" now but she was very insecure. And Maxine Powell said she was snooty. These are not all lies. I have my opinion and you have yours. She got her stardom at the expense of others.
To say, that Diana Ross; would stop at nothing to rise to the top, one thought comes to mind, is that she sold her soul for fame. Not to mentioned, her daughter Rhonda Ross; is Berry Gordon; biological daughter, who was told while coming of age; that Berry was her uncle. Last, but not least, Florence Ballard and Mary Wilson; started the group call the Supremes. Diana wasn't even thought of until later. Do the research on Diana, the people at Motown didn't have anything kind, to say about this woman and also, she was sleeping around with various Motown male artists.
@ZARAH1363,, You sound jealous and silly and you are making things up to sound worse ... what have your mother and grandmother done?? and ever worse who you done slept with that we don't know about?
@@dudefromkc6182 Please...Ms. Ross' back-up singers already knew the TRUTH! Diana Ross HAS ALWAYS BEEN MORE BEAUTIFUL & MORE TALENTED. GROW UP & Stop the HATE & RESENTMENT!
weve all heard the stories about Diana, but when youre that talented and driven, its kinda to be expected up to a point, shes the best, shes the mega super duper star who out shines everyone and thats just how it is. it might not be fair on mary and florence obviously, but its like when you got michael jordan or maradona on your team you just gotta give em the ball, get outta their way and let them do their thing / the business. *and it doesnt even matter if /that florence had a better stronger voice than diana, many top singers to, but where it actually really counts- dianas voice is silk, velvet, pure magic, its perfect and no-one can beat it.
Bobby Brown thats not the point... you must haven’t read the other comments, we know she was the star... we speaking on the treatment against the other supremes
@Bobby Brown No they didn't. You must be real young. I was around when the Supremes were very popular. No one in the public was begging for more Diana Ross out front or as a solo artists. It was forced by Berry Gordy and Motown. We never chose Diana......Motown did and in doing so, gave the public no choice!
Notice the Carson show appearance which turned out to be Florence's last appearance on TV with them, when Diana talks about stand-ins for Mary and Florence should they not be able to appear on stage for any given reason...notice how Florence just sits there smiling but Mary chimes in emphatically backing up Diana with so much vigor and enthusiasm as if she is assisting Diana on using the direct vocal expression to Carson as a tool to assure Florence that how they've been messing with her as of that time in both past and later her limited few months future was perfectly normal. Almost as if to 'soft blow' her on any suspicions about her later exit via termination from the group. This demonstrates to me that Mary was very much in on this and knew what Gordy and Diana were doing. She may have done this for pure survival for herself..but..it convinces me that she was part and parcel of this whole scandal regarding Florence.
SASSY-- yes -- it is true Mary admitted it-- she was scared and did not know how to speak her piece like Flo did-- Mary said she did NOT want to lose her place in the singing world and went along just to have the job she wanted.. Today =-- she would not do what she did back then...and when Ross asked her to go on tour for 2 million Mary said NO-- she is not that scared little girl she was back then!!! Ross-- doing some of Gordys ' tricks... ?????
Mary was always being picked on and bullied and obviously put into a corner. She wanted the original group to remain together but that just wasn’t in the cards. It’s sad.
Thank you Egypt PrinceT.......Diane Ross by getting inside Berry Gordy's pants in 1965/66 together systematically turned THE SUPREMES into the Dog & Pony Show of DRATS (Diane Ross And The Supremes). Florence Ballard, Mary Wilson and later Cindy Birdsong became Diane's bookends stage props. With no artistically exposure, this created the friction and eventually in Florence Ballard still never overcoming her sexual assault drove her into the depression that eventually after being ousted from the group causer her, her life. Diane Ross knows that murder is born in the heart.
Like it or not, Diana Ross was a huge talent, the like of which we don't see today. Berry Gordy pulled Gladys Knight off the tour. Remember these girls were in their early twenties at the time, and every artist at Motown was notoriously manipulated by the company. If anyone signed with Motown, they were immediately in debt. Don't be too hasty to pour scorn on Ross. She took The Supremes and Motown to the highest highs in her wake.
She only did that because it was the only way this egomaniac Diane would agree to be on her show. You notice that no one interviews Diana Ross anymore.......
@@DetroitLives313.......lol.... by 2019 Diane Ross has burn all her bridges, all she has left is her Motown "Sunset Boulevard Norma Desmond" existence. She's living in her has-been bubble,
@TWTR4EVER She goes out on stage now wearing home made dresses that look rather cheap. She refuses to even acknowledge Mary Wilson's new book "Supreme Glamour" which is selling like hotcakes!
Diana Ross like other legends always have to live with both the burden and the glory of stories and tales both true and untrue. Ah, such is life. Go to any ordinary job, whether it is a factory or an office or construction and the same tales and rumor are bantered about. Miss Ross happily for millions of people around the world has always had the strong backbone to deal with it and get on with her life, her family and her career. 'Nuff said.
REALITY CHECK --where is Diana today-- she is NOT where she should be-- she is NOT as popular or even with her looks as she should have been-- she is known and still loved by many --- BUT -- there still is that sadness about her being the DIVA...and the loss of life and shunned friendships that were forsaken --cause -- she thought??????? she was gods gift to music--- and it never worked out--- Diana came back to America--- where she should have stayed in the first place-- she learned her lesson the hard way-- like most of us do... God gave the gift of the 3 Supreme s.. . and Diana will always be remembered for that.. God Bless her..
I love Diana Ross! Talent and shine and determination Great performer And all But!!! Mary Wilson Florence Ballard and Cindy Birdsong should have been treated better during those years! When I say better I mean Lead a song See if it would been a hit That would not have taken any thing from Ross!!
It was a pioneering time. Those kinds of risks didnt make sense to Gordys mindset. He had a formula that he felt worked and he wanted to stick with it. He was scared to take that kind of risk with The Supremes. -- it was such a pioneering time that girl groups these days can only learn from some of the mistakes Motown made with The Supremes.
It's fair to say the most successful people in life are usually the most corrupt. Money is the root of all evil. Love is everything. Most of these celebs are hypocrites because they preach LOVE LOVE LOVE during their shows and yet complain when they don't get enough payment! That's all I am saying.
Stop lying Diana didn't do anything to anybody... Mary was always silly and envious. Florence was a belligerent alcoholic who HDH did not want to work with.
@@dtrn254 It was more of a question not a statement, calm down.. people are entitled to their own opinion... we all have issues in life...goodness No one on hear is lying, just their opinions... none of have nothing to do with this. God bless...
@@honeybrowne7381 Re-read what you wrote. You made an accusation implying Diana did something to Flo. That's utterly ridiculous. Flo was emotionally damaged and needed to get out of Show Business to heal yourself. Diana couldn't save Flo, she was only 22 years old herself.
… yes, the strong survive, the strong who are ruthless, ambitious, cunning, backstabbing. Yes, the strong survive and they stand and they walk over the bodies of individuals who wouldn’t lower themselves to a moral standard as that of a snake.
Everybody been saying the samethings for years , ever since the late 60s, not everyone is lying on Diana. Yes she her voice was use more on the hits and she was the permanent lead singer especially after Flo was kicked out but it still didnt give her no reason to be a bitch, she was a star regardless
@Charlisa Henderson The ONLY people who accuse her are those who've caused their own downfalls, and look for others to blame. Gladys Horton of The Marvelettes said, "Diana had no attitude. She's just a girl who spoke mind."
@@TheReturnOfStephan1 Long time no talk, I agree with you not everything is Diana's fault. Florence said herself that she play a medium role in her firing and downfall while saying she trust Diana more than Mary because Flo knew what Diana was all about so Flo never faulted Diana. It all about Flo and Berry for the most part.
![Diana Ross - Barbara Walters Interview [2000]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/eOGdhMf2hK8/mqdefault.jpg)
Diana: “the biggest misconception is that I’m a bitch”
Barbara: “why do people think that”
Diana: “because I’m just like you”
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For her to say Mary is singing "her songs" says it all. She said that as if Mary wasn't even on the track.
😂😂😂😂go watch got2breal you sound like dion.
Mary sang the "Supremes" songs, not your song, Diana. I think you got it a little twisted.
@@jacquelinelowery5589 Exactly Jacqueline!, and hello Diana they were not even written by you. She is a nasty B! because she was insecure as hell, Florence was the best singer and Mary was the real beauty in the group, and if Diana wasnt screwing the boss, Berry Devil Gordy, she would not even have a career
I think she was referring to someday we’ll be together and love child. Mary didn’t sing on those original recordings
@@jermaphobic8308 did she sing those songs? When in concert the Arisits a lot of the time will sing another artist song. If it's just to give homage or a shout out. It's done all the time.
“Y’all the biggest group in the world right now so why y’all worried about us”🤣🤣they had Gladys fucked up
HA! I like the way Gladys said that. I agree too.
Gladys was jealous of Diana and is making this story up. Gladys did the same thing with Aretha Franklin claiming Aretha didn't like her. Gladys is phony.
@@dtrn254 it’s funny then cause she ain’t the only one who has stories of Diana being the jealous type 🤣💀
@@asmrlilvezzy6601 Gladys is a smiling liar. Look at how Gladys lied on Aretha Franklin too. How Gladys also made accusations against her ex-husbands Les Brown, Barry Hankerson and even her own son Shanga. The truth is Gladys was a covert bully towards Diana and doesn't know her well.
Gladys and the Pips were trouble makers on that tour with the Supremes and at Motown.
Gladys is foul.
@@dtrn254 so everybody is lying on Diana??? Everybody??? Get serious
Her body language saids the rumors were true. All those celebrities aren't just makin that stuff up. Diana was a piece of work!
As Gladys said --- she is being nice and not mean-- just telling the truth!!
Diane Ross is and was a self serving BITCH
@@TWTR4EVER Diana was a smart business woman. Stop hating on her. Mary Wilson has a backup singer voice.
I grew up listening to them back in the day in real time. Most of the rumors about her turned out to be true including that she got the how she got the lead due to her relationship with Berry. She did get pregnant with his child and try to pass her off as the white man she married. There are all kinds of stories as she toured with other groups on a bus in the 60's. Gladys Knight told a lot of what went on. Diana was a piece of work all right.There were always rumors that Michael Jackson's song Dirty Diana was about her.
she was a class act and would have made it without Barry Gordy or the supremes as she has proven over the years. as far as being a piece of work, that's why she is famous because of her talent and hard work.
Mary Wilson said in her book about the interview when Diana Ross said « there are stand-in’s for Mary Wilson and Florence Ballard but no one can stand in for me », it was the 1* time she ever knew that…
When you’re sleeping with the boss you will definitely be the lead singer shame on Berry Gordy he is wrong for pulling Gladys Knight and the Pips off the tour, and this never ends it keeps repeating
Gladys is making up this story. Gladys claims everybody doesn't like her she did the same thing to Aretha Franklin.
@@dtrn254 this is all true Ms Ross was not a nice person in her early years and it is well Documented
When you sleep with the Boss you have his heart and Soul and Ms Ross used that to get what she wanted
She was ruthless... have a great day
@@peacefull778 Stop the BS. Your old lies are weak. Diana and Berry were in a real romantic/professional relationship. But if you wanna compare, lets: 😳
1. TINA TURNER slept with and married her first manager (Ike Turner) and then slept with and married her record company head (Ervin Bach at EMI Records) 😳
2. MARIAH CAREY slept with and married the head of her record company (Tommy Mottola at Sony Records)
3. BEYONCÉ slept with and married a record label head and billionaire (Jay Z at Def Jam, Tidal etc...). She is also the daughter of former record label head (Matthew Knowles Music World Entertainment).
4. CELINE DION slept with and married her manager (René Angélil)
5. ASHANTI slept with her record label head (Irv Gotti at Murder Inc.)
6. TEENA MARIE slept with her record company producer (Rick James at Motown Records)
7. VANITY slept with her record company producer (Prince have Warner Bros Records)
8. LIL KIM slept with her record label producer (Biggie Smalls at Bad Boy Records)
9. GLADYS KNIGHT slept with and married a record label head (Barry Hankerson at Black Ground Records)
10. JERMAINE JACKSON slept with and married the daughter of his record company (Berry Gordy at Motown Records).
11. MARY J BLIGE slept with and married her manager (Kendu Isaacs)
12. MICHEL'LE slept with and married her record company head (Suge Knight at Death Row Records)
12. PEBBLES slept with and married her record company head (LA REID)
13. PATTI LABELLE slept with and married her manager (Armstead Edwards)
14. FLORENCE BALLARD slept with and married her own chauffeur and manager (Tommy Chapman)
15. MARY WILSON slept with many 'married' men (Tom Jones, Flip Wilson, Duke Fakir) and married her manager (Pedro)
👉 😳😳😳👀👀👀 Your bullsh**t doesn't add up.
@@dtrn254 for someone to sit and type all that.... said one thing about YOU.. and that is ..You need a life
And time for Fun
Take care and all the best🙏
@@peacefull778 You've been busted for your bullsh*t. Here are the facts: 😳
1. TINA TURNER slept with and married her first manager (Ike Turner) and then slept with and married her record company head (Ervin Bach at EMI Records) 😳
2. MARIAH CAREY slept with and married the head of her record company (Tommy Mottola at Sony Records)
3. BEYONCÉ slept with and married a record label head and billionaire (Jay Z at Def Jam, Tidal etc...). She is also the daughter of former record label head (Matthew Knowles Music World Entertainment).
4. CELINE DION slept with and married her manager (René Angélil)
5. ASHANTI slept with her record label head (Irv Gotti at Murder Inc.)
6. TEENA MARIE slept with her record company producer (Rick James at Motown Records)
7. VANITY slept with her record company producer (Prince have Warner Bros Records)
8. LIL KIM slept with her record label producer (Biggie Smalls at Bad Boy Records)
9. GLADYS KNIGHT slept with and married a record label head (Barry Hankerson at Black Ground Records)
10. JERMAINE JACKSON slept with and married the daughter of his record company (Berry Gordy at Motown Records).
11. MARY J BLIGE slept with and married her manager (Kendu Isaacs)
12. MICHEL'LE slept with and married her record company head (Suge Knight at Death Row Records)
12. PEBBLES slept with and married her record company head (LA REID)
13. PATTI LABELLE slept with and married her manager (Armstead Edwards)
14. FLORENCE BALLARD slept with and married her own chauffeur and manager (Tommy Chapman)
15. MARY WILSON slept with many 'married' men (Tom Jones, Flip Wilson, Duke Fakir) and married her manager (Pedro)
👉 😳😳😳👀👀👀 Your bullsh**t doesn't add up. To
Diana is built for the music industry, she was ruthless lol
The thing is when she left Motown she discovered they had screwed her over financially as well. So she wasn't as special as she thought she was..
Right! But she is a millonaire today and will forever be in the history books.@@DevonahBlackwellT.I.
Wow! Diana Ross told Carson in front of millions of viewers that Motown had stand-ins for Flo and Mary, and right in front of the two of them. Massive insult. I read Mary Wilson's book and now believe everything she wrote: Diana Ross did anything and everything to insult and get rid of her band mates. Wilson even said Diana would spy on the two and report anything she didn't like to Gordy.
Well they don't call her the Original Diva for nothing...but in the end, Diana still had excellent talent who earned all the accolades and paved the way/opened doors for numerous women of color who entered show biz after her.
@@cajayson8301 Absolutely Diana has talent. It's just sad that she's an example of success at the expense of other people. It was a well known fact that Flo was the one with the outstanding singing voice and yet Berry Gordy saw fit to promote only his lover, rather than the girl with the outstanding singing voice. Makes me wonder if what Mary Wilson said isn't true...about Diana wanting everything for herself and not wanting to share with others.
Wow. Had the girls contradicted her on the show it would've been embarrassing. Wonder what happened backstage. Probably nothin.
@@TaDarling1 Well a good friend of mine has dealt with Mary on a personal basis and said Mary herself is quite the diva so perhaps both of them are their own worst enemy.
As for promoting Diana over Flo, she was anointed well before she started sleeping with Berry. The issue was commercialism: which voice sold more tracks. While Flo had an impeccable singing voice, it was Diana's that brought in the money amidst an era of racial turmoil & discord. Berry thought as a strategic businessman and clearly it worked out in the end with Motown rising as a juggernaut record label with Diana Ross & The Supremes being the most significant factor in that catapult to stardom...and it wouldn't have risen as much had Flo been lead.
@@TaDarling1 it's true why can't y'all just believe that?
We have MANY accounts of Diana's behaviors. From male and female. Now this doesnt take away from her work ethic and talent. It doesnt negate that there may have been some that were jealous of the attention and opportunities. Like Gladys said, you can be the star, just dont stop my opportunities.
Lmao. What 'males and females'? 🤣.... It's the same tired 4 people who were deeply jealous of Diana and wanted her spot (Mary, Flo, Gladys and Patti). Diana was very much LOVED at Motown by the people who mattered 👇:
Michael Jackson
Stevie Wonder
Marvin Gaye
Nickolas Ashford
Valerie Simpson
Smokey Robinson
The Temptations
Rick James
Suzanne dePasse
Janie Bradford
Claudette Robinson
Lionel Richie
Berry Gordy etc...etc....etc....
@@damontrent1971 I hate when people say this. Obviously Diana couldn't stop Dionne or Aretha, because of their individual success. But I think she made a serious attempt to end Patti and Gladys. The reality is , is that both Patti and Gladys are AMAZING talents. How many careers of artists with more fragile voices like Diana herself have did she actually end? We may never know! Even Mary Wells said that Berry Gordy used money from her sales to promote the Supremes and it was one of her reasons for leaving MoTown. I bet Diana was behind that. You can accomplish a lot when you are sleeping with the boss.
@@BWP-tv5sy what are you smoking? Aretha and Diana were home girls.... Why is it always the low intelligent black people like you who make dumb ass comments like this?
Diana BARELY KNEW Gladys Knight.... And she knew Patti LaBelle even less. As far as Dionne is concerned, Diana never had a beef.
Diana is literally one of the most successful entertainers of all time, she DIDN'T travel in the same circles. These women weren't in the same power rooms... The people Diana was associating with didn't want to associate with Patti, Gladys or Dionne.
Get this through your head: 'Diana doesn't really know the women and literally has never spent time with them'. Wake up.
I suggest watching “Ashley SaysSo”video about Diana Ross if you want the real tea. Cause this sleeping with the boss thing wasn’t even happening until mid point in Diana’s career. It was not like that in the beginning at all. And not the reason she was chosen as the lead.
@@damontrent1971You could name ALL THE PEOPLE in the world. It doesn't change the FACT that Diana was behaving UGLY AND JEALOUS with doing things like demanding Gladys and the Pips be removed from a tour.
AND DIANA CAN'T SING! She's nowhere near the league of Gladys or Patti. You have to TOLERATE Diana's singing.
My mother once said that she didn't like Diana Ross, and after watching, I agree. My mother watched her in real time during the 60s.
There’s so many people my intuition says “NOOOO!” Too and it bugs me when others are “you dislike them for no reason, you’re a jealous cunt/you’re a bitch.” And thennnn I turn out to be right and the person is exposed as a bad person! And then, I feel vindicated and get my 7 chuckles!
Always follow your intuitive feeling/ “listen to your gut!” It will never lead you astray, you just have to listen to yourself and never doubt. You get those feelings of “I’m gonna walk away” for a reason!
And here, we have that example, don’t trust any “prima Donna/DIANA” “diva” (except the 5th Element’s Diva Opra Singa😉😉😛 awwwhaha huh ha huhahuahuaaaaaa!)
Also, Nichole Kidman, bad vibes a-bounty!
She's a no-talent!! Flo Ballard sang wayyyyy better!!
My mom and aunts met them as well as other Motown artists back in the day. They all said oh Mary was so cute and I liked Flo. I asked about Diana and they all were like ehhh she was okay but....yeah she is something else. She is talented I won’t take that away from her but yeah she is a tad self centered
My mom said the same thing about her, and she also watched her in real time during the 60's
Lmao 😂🤣 It's the same tired black jealous bitches (as my mother said): Mary, Flo, Gladys and Patti. They all wanted Diana's spot so bad. But they either couldn't sing, were too ugly or didn't have good oratory skills or manners.
Diana was very much LOVED at Motown by the people who truly mattered 👇:
Michael Jackson
Stevie Wonder
Marvin Gaye
Nickolas Ashford
Girl Askey
Valerie Simpson
Smokey Robinson
The Temptations
Rick James
Suzanne dePasse
Mickey Steveneon
Janie Bradford
Claudette Robinson
Cindy Birdsong
Holland Dozier Holland
Lionel Richie
Berry Gordy etc...etc....etc....
Florence had the pipes and the beauty. What an Angel.
Exactly
Black people liked her but blacks and whites liked Diana Florence NEVER would have been a superstar
Proof is where?
Yes… my mom grew up with them in Detroit and said exact thing. Florence was pure talent but Diana was a dirty low down backstabbing jealous dog. Never respected her. She knew who to sleep with to get her insecure boney self to the top.
@@lyndad5210 Check out her atlantic recordings. Check out also how many notes she could hit. It's on UA-cam.
The show can’t go on apart from Diana - Wow
🤣🤣🤣
Actually it did. Jean Terrell stepped in and much success with her replacing Ross.
I've always believed Mary's history... Yes it's The Supremes.
Being the #1 female group of all time.
The Supremes.
Period
@@wadeS6366 Thanks for posting 👍 I AGREE I think Jean Terrell did a
Awesome Job 👏🌹⭐
Lmao 😂🤣 It's the same tired black jealous bitches (as my mother said): Mary, Flo, Gladys and Patti. They all wanted Diana's spot so bad. But they either couldn't sing, were too ugly or didn't have good oratory skills or manners.
Diana was very much LOVED at Motown by the people who truly mattered 👇:
Michael Jackson
Stevie Wonder
Marvin Gaye
Nickolas Ashford
Girl Askey
Valerie Simpson
Smokey Robinson
The Temptations
Rick James
Suzanne dePasse
Mickey Steveneon
Janie Bradford
Claudette Robinson
Cindy Birdsong
Holland Dozier Holland
Lionel Richie
Berry Gordy etc...etc....etc....
Damn.
Diana is was a very Bratty person, and used Barry with her womanly attributes. She had access to the boss and used it like a weapon of mass destruction. You do not have to destroy people to shine! 🤨
Diana looking real uncomfortable lol. We have videos of her placing her hands in their faces
Stop lying. I've been studying Diana Ross for over 40 years... she never placed her hands in front of anybody's face while performing. Stop lying on that woman.
@@dtrn254 ain’t nobody lying.
@@iamtrawayne1558 You've never seen Diana Ross act unprofessional on stage ever in your life. Fraud.
@@dtrn254 my 21 likes say otherwise
@@LisaLisaCJ '21' likes and not '1' piece of evidence 😂🤣😂. No proof b/c Diana didn't do what you claim.
PS - ignorant people 'like' ignorant sh*t all day on YT 👉🤡
Oprah messy 😂😂😂
Not a surprise-Ross got rid of Florence Ballard like she had Gordy take Gladys Knight and the pips off the tour with the Supremes because GN& T Pips were so popular. Ross was hated by many many people.
Stop lying. Florence Ballard was a belligerent alcoholic and didn't stay long with the group after their major hits came from 1964 to 1967. Holland Dozier Holland weren't interested in Flo's voice and neither was Berry Gordy. No one owed Flo a career she couldn't handle.
@@dtrn254 Because of trauma. She was raped at a young age, and being pushed aside in a group she helped create didn’t help. Knowing that Diana is known to be very hard to work with, none of this helped. It’s not that she couldn’t handle it, the circumstances were never in her favor. Also you’re wrong about her voice, they say she was more talented than Diana, but Diana appealed to white audiences. And that’s what Berry Gordy wanted, but Florence had a voice, where they said if she sung, she had your full attention. Don’t diminish her struggles
@@Unknown-sx5yn Save the lies, Florence Ballard was one of the richest women in America but threw it away because she was jealous of her childhood girlfriend Diana. Flo was also sleeping with her paid chauffeur. She definitely was not a better person than Diana and she was nobody's victim .
@@dtrn254 Wtf are you talking about? You just seem to hate Florence for no reason. I would be mad too if the group I helped start was pushing me aside for someone else. It was jealousy. You’re just speaking non sense. She slept with her chauffeur, okay? Literally adds nothing to the conversation. She shouldn’t be looked down upon for who she sleeps with, that’s her goddamn business.
@@Unknown-sx5yn Florence Ballard was literally one of 'THE RICHEST' women in the world by 1966. This big lie that Flo was a victim more than the majority of black women by 1967 is ridiculous.
Flo unfortunately became a text book example of being self-entitled and belligerent with money and fame. She did less work and sadly felt privileged.
Why didn’t Berry Gordy just make Diana a solo act from the jump like LA Reid did with Toni Braxton?
VERY good question. I don’t think she would’ve made it as a solo from the beginning. Diana was Berry’s project from ‘67 on. That was the beginning of the group name change and Diana being out front more. They were grooming her for a solo career. Diana once told Berry “if u think it, I’ll do it.
I don’t think she would have made it as a solo act from the beginning.
@@ghanasoul Yes! Destiny's Child's situation is so similar to Diana Ross and the Supremes. Beyonce is the Diana of my era. LOL
Because she wasn’t developed yet o her own! She NEEDED those other girls to hone her craft just like Beyoncé did
You make more money with groups because you charge more
Flo and Mary... great talent.
🤣
IF I had been either Flo or Mary during that LIVE Johnny Carson interview and the BEYOTCH Diane causally announced that either of us can be "replaced" ON AIR, they would've had to GO TO A COMMERCIAL INSTANTLY because it would've been time for a SERIOUS BEATING.
Yep you're explaining exactly why Florence Ballard never made it. Angry and ugly.
@@damontrent1971 Ummm…….NO , she WAS NOT. Ross & Gordy had been horizontal repeatedly because she wanted to become “DianA” and leave them in the dust. She was obviously mighty good in the sack as she had his baby. Flo was the other FOUNDING MEMBER along with Mary and she had a hugely superior voice to Ross. She got screwed, completely but not sexually. All due to “Miss” “Ross” and her baby-and-sugar-daddy Gordy.
@@greeneyedwarlock882 Lmao 😂🤣 It's the same tired black jealous bitches (as my mother said): Mary, Flo, Gladys and Patti. They all wanted Diana's spot so bad. But they either couldn't sing, were too ugly or didn't have good oratory skills, manners or expert fashion sense. They were MAD with envy 😡
Diana was very much LOVED at Motown by the people who truly mattered 👇:
Michael Jackson
Stevie Wonder
Marvin Gaye
Nickolas Ashford
Girl Askey
Valerie Simpson
Smokey Robinson
The Temptations
Rick James
Suzanne dePasse
Mickey Steveneon
Janie Bradford
Claudette Robinson
Cindy Birdsong
Holland Dozier Holland
Lionel Richie
Berry Gordy etc...etc....etc....
@@greeneyedwarlock882 So YOU really want to talk about who was sleeping with who? Let's go 😳👇:
1. TINA TURNER slept with and married her first manager (Ike Turner) and then slept with and married her record company head (Ervin Bach at EMI Records) 😳
2. MARIAH CAREY slept with and married the head of her record company (Tommy Mottola at Sony Records)
3. CHER slept with and married her manager and record producer (Sonny Bono)
4. BEYONCÉ slept with and married a record label head and billionaire (Jay Z at Def Jam, Tidal etc...). She is also the daughter of former record label head (Matthew Knowles Music World Entertainment).
5. CELINE DION slept with and married her manager (René Angélil)
6. JENNIFER LOPEZ slept with record company owner (Sean Combs)
7. ASHANTI slept with her record label head (Irv Gotti at Murder Inc.)
8. TEENA MARIE slept with her record company producer (Rick James at Motown Records)
9. VANITY slept with her record company producer (Prince have Warner Bros Records). Vanity also slept with Motown writer and producer (Rick James).
10. LIL KIM slept with her record label producer (Biggie Smalls at Bad Boy Records)
11. GLADYS KNIGHT slept with and married a record label head (Barry Hankerson at Black Ground Records)
12. JERMAINE JACKSON slept with and married the daughter of his record company (Berry Gordy at Motown Records).
13. MARY J BLIGE slept with and married her manager (Kendu Isaacs)
14. MICHEL'LE slept with and married her record company head (Suge Knight at Death Row Records)
15. PEBBLES slept with and married her record company head (LA REID)
16. PATTI LABELLE slept with and married her manager (Armstead Edwards)
17. MARY WILSON slept with MANY MARRIED MEN around Hollywood (Tom Jones, Duke Fakir, Flip Wilson etc.) Mary also slept with and married her manager (Pedro)
18. FLORENCE BALLARD slept with and married her own paid chauffeur and manager (Tommy Chapman). Tommy would exploit her earnings.
19. TAMMI TERRELL slept with a married man (Davi Ruffin) who already had three children and another girlfriend.
So what's your point clown ? 👉 🤡
@@greeneyedwarlock882 let's not be hypocritical 👇😳:
PATTI LABELLE slept with and married her manager (Armstead Edwards)
If beauty was the sole criteria to be the lead amongst the three, in my opinion Mary was ethereal and a much more refined and beautiful woman than Diana Ross had ever been but sadly it was all politics in the end which cost the other two women their careers and in Florence's case her health & her life.
They wanted to make Diana the lead because she was dating Barry. And Diana was smarter, more assertive to get to the top. Its Hollywood, to get to the top it takes more than just pretty face and a good voice. You got to be smart.
@@secrets.295 Also, Diana's voice is distinct. The other Supremes had similar (albeit better) voices.
@@jamaaliqbal5237 Similar to who, exactly? They certainly didn't sound like each other.
@@secrets.295 Of the original Supremes, you can see Diana radiated star quality. Some may argue she's not the prettiest or sing the best but she have that elusive IT factor.
Diana was a star! This does not mean she was the prettiest, could sing the best. This means that Diana could walk into a room and own it. At that time it meant that she could walk into a room with white men and take control. Diana's insecurities manifested privately, but publicly she was The Boss. Mary Wilson went to her grave talking about what Diana did. She could never separate herself from the Supremes because she was stuck in the 60s. The day Diana left the Supremes Mary should have also and went solo. What Diana did was wrong, but at the same time there was not a manual on how to be a young Black female superstar. She wrote the book.
This proves to me nice guys do finish last. Diana didn’t get where she is by bein nice. For example, she lobbied for the role of The Wiz. The director felt she was wrong for the part. She went over his head and went to Universal studios president. Fought for the role and got it. The film flopped, the film sucked, but she got what she wanted. Incredible.
Didn’t the Wiz almost bankrupt Motown’s movie department out in California? I guess the only one who truly accepted Dorothy as a 34 year old was Diana Ross. ‘Cause the rest of us weren't about to lay down our money to see her in that role. Loved the rest of the cast though 💕
The movie was great!!
@@Mizanthrobe
Apparently people disagree cuz the film was NOT successful. :(
@@Mizanthrobe NOW THE
PEOPLE 🚷 KNOW THE REAL
DIANA, BUT THAT DON'T TAKE
THAT THE MOVIE IS A
CLASSIC NOW DAYS. I HAVE
TO GIVE IT TO HER,🌟🌟🌟🌟.
@@denisetaylor7976 LOL about the film flopping. I used to see it on VHS laying around at Walmart back in the 90's.
Patti and Gladys told the truth about Diana.
It’s probably the age but Diana looked like she was in her late 30s back in the group
I believe it was the fact that she was painfully thin. It aged her.
@@JukuduB that’s true!
I love the supremes and always have. In saying that I love Mary Wilson and Flo.
So do many of us-- we are not bashing for hate-- but for justice and truth--- being in show business is scary and hard specially back in the 60s for black artists,,, IT was just that Flo lost her life and chance and her dreams.. and her spirit calls from the other side.. What happened.. only the truth -- not bagering or truly hating what was--- God knows and He sees--- but here on earth--- truth must prevail. It is for the betterment of ALL....
@Spanky Applegate I dont have to listen to her interviews because I believe I've seen them all. I'm team Mary, Is that okay with you sir? It's just my choice.
@Spanky Applegate Spot on! You said it perfectly.
I believe Diana did form a relationship with Gordy to elevate her solo career...in a selfish way. And I'm sure she felt little guilt about what she did to Flo and Mary. However, remember.....they all were pretty young. And we all do things when we're young that we regret later in life as we mature.
Bullshit-she had many opportunities as she matured to right the wrongs she did
to others and never did. Mary pointed this out til the end. Ross will always be known for only being for Ross!
Duh and she had baby by him to stay paid
@@jl3322 And they all had skeletons in their closet not only Diana Ross
@@jl3322 none of them was perfect so stop making it look like it was all Diana Ross
@@justty4080 And Diana Ross wasn't the only one that did that it was an lot of singers that did that so stop making it look like it was only Diana Ross that went with the boss to stay paid
Ross was a nightmare
Did you work with Miss Ross?
Do you know her personally
mary voted flo out of the group too but she always seems to forget that. and didnt ask flo back when she had to replace jean terrell
Jim Branca right then again ... wrong ... mary did vote because at the end of the day Gordy was going to do it regardless... it was a way to actually tell Mary to stay in her place or she next... then to add ... Flo was ask plenty off times by other artist of Motown if she would feature on one of their recordings and she said no... Flo eve the departure lf Diana Ross still wanted nothing to do with Motown ... You really think in your mind not for one second that Mary never ask Flo to come back or at least make some appearances you are Wrong... It was gordy doing and flo didnt want no parts after what she went through
Egypt PrinceT if you say so it is what it is. cant change the past. when u think about it its not that important tio me. i like all their music. and to me i guess thats all that maters
Don't be stupid. The Supremes were still signed to Motown, Berry Gordy's company when Jean Terrell joined. There was no way in Hell Berry Gordy was going to allow Florence Ballard back into his company to rejoin the Supremes.
Lmao 😂🤣 It's the same tired black jealous bitches (as my mother said): Mary, Flo, Gladys and Patti. They all wanted Diana's spot so bad. But they either couldn't sing, were too ugly or didn't have good oratory skills or manners.
Diana was very much LOVED at Motown by the people who truly mattered 👇:
Michael Jackson
Stevie Wonder
Marvin Gaye
Nickolas Ashford
Girl Askey
Valerie Simpson
Smokey Robinson
The Temptations
Rick James
Suzanne dePasse
Mickey Steveneon
Janie Bradford
Claudette Robinson
Cindy Birdsong
Holland Dozier Holland
Lionel Richie
Berry Gordy etc...etc....etc....
Did she have a choice?
Yeah I don’t think I could’ve been no supreme because me and Diana we would’ve been fighting
Diana was having a sexual relationship with the boss who was much older than her so he showed his appreciation made here the star and demoted the other two girls as just the backing singers, that is the truth of the matter.
florence ballard was really suppose to be the breakout star of the group. Not only she was a powerhouse vocalist that was comparable to the likes of etta jams, aretha franklin, mahalia jackson and barbra streisand, she also had potential skills in dancing, acting, stand up comedy and songwriting. When Hollywood film executives wanted to do high profile movies for Motown, they immediately wanted Flo as the star but berry told them that diana was the lead singer and thought it was better for her but they rejected it. When they tried to replace Flo when she was sick with walking penumonia at the copa, the owner threatened to cancel them as they saw flo as the banter for the group's live performances. I feel Flo just didn't have the right people around before and after she left the supremes and if that was the case, not do i believe she would still be alive today but her career would be successful knowing her potential
MALCOLM--- Well said. God gave all those girls the greatest potential of talent-- and that IS why they rose so fast-- Yes Diana was the voice that lead in certain songs but NOT ALL.. Shame that Flo - Mary was NOT given the opportunities that was given to Diana.. BG was a very stupid man at the time.. He could not see the forest for the trees ,.
@@fmtalks1543 Right! That is why I got irritated when Ross said that the new Supremes are still singing "HER" songs. Holland Dozier and Holland's songwriting made them stars and when they left, the Supremes had to scramble. Also, what has Ross achieved outside of Motown?
Flo needed some serious grit and tenacity. She should’ve been out for only herself after she started to see the writings on the wall with the Supremes. She should’ve quit ASAP, hired a lawyer to get her out of her Motown contract, signed a new record deal, found an ambitious manager and went IN towards crafting her own identity, brand, and solo career. I think her own demons and lack of confidence is what kept her stuck.
Lmao 😂🤣 It's the same tired black jealous bitches (as my mother said): Mary, Flo, Gladys and Patti. They all wanted Diana's spot so bad. But they either couldn't sing, were too ugly or didn't have good oratory skills or manners.
Diana was very much LOVED at Motown by the people who truly mattered 👇:
Michael Jackson
Stevie Wonder
Marvin Gaye
Nickolas Ashford
Girl Askey
Valerie Simpson
Smokey Robinson
The Temptations
Rick James
Suzanne dePasse
Mickey Steveneon
Janie Bradford
Claudette Robinson
Cindy Birdsong
Holland Dozier Holland
Lionel Richie
Berry Gordy etc...etc....etc....
Florence Ballard could barely speak in complete sentences. A colorist, who didn't like her darker-skinned girlfriend to be seen upfront although she was winning for the team.
Florence 'Blondie' Ballard was an insufferable self-entitled, colorist who suffered a nervous breakdown when she wasn't considered desirable.
Oh yeah let's talk about colorist Flo shall we 😳
Diana DID NOT want Oprah to bring up the Motown Anniversary Special account re: Diana pushing Mary back to be more in the background. As Oprah is relating the story, you can hear Diana say every so softly: "Oh my god." Oprah was not going to let Diana off the hook with her bad behavior back in the day!
Oprah Did let Diana off the hook!! Why didn't she address Florence being kicked out of the group, how Berry Gordy screwed her over and she ended up being on welfare or how she show boated at florence's funeral.
I wish they had shown that but it was cut out of the program.
You notice every time Diane was asked a question that went beyond “the script”, she flip her weave? 😂
Yep; it's so hilarious. @@timmy841212
I had a boss when I worked for the phone company who told me that he previously worked as a road manager for all the Motown acts. His picture is at the Motown museum. He also told me that the reason his hair was gray prematurely was due to dealing with Diana Ross. Interesting.
Oooooh, Diana was cold lol
In my opinion, Diana's best moment was Lady Sings the Blues. Her ego might exceed her talent but that ego made her a star, married her to two billionaires and raised phenomenal children. She has nothing for which to apologize. Diana did Diana.
Donna r we talking the 60s love ... plus i hate when people boost about women getting married to rich man ... To be honest Diana had the choice to marry any man at that time ...
😂😂😂😂
Are you really justifying her spoilt behaviour because she is successful? Wrong will always be wrong. "Diana did Diana"...? What does that even mean?? (I know what you are TRYING to say but its very ignorant). Diana is not exempt from humility because she is a Legend who, as you outlined, has made a successful life for herself and for her children. On her journey to success, she made some awful, bratt-like decisions/ choices, or "mistakes" I suppose, and, probably, it was as a result of immaturity... I mean, she WAS fairly young at the time of these incidents.... but that doesn't change the fact that she was wrong for her behaviour. Even legends make mistakes, even legends have to take responsibility and apologize when they are wrong (although an actual "I am sorry" isn't always the way it has to be done) and it seems, they've grown up and become cordial.... its unfortunate though, that this story will always exist, even after they've grown and moved on. Always be kind to people, you won't want to be the "villain" / "the mean one" in anybody's story, especially if they become super successful....
Lmao 😂🤣 It's the same tired black jealous bitches (as my mother said): Mary, Flo, Gladys and Patti. They all wanted Diana's spot so bad. But they either couldn't sing, were too ugly or didn't have good oratory skills or manners.
Diana was very much LOVED at Motown by the people who truly mattered 👇:
Michael Jackson
Stevie Wonder
Marvin Gaye
Nickolas Ashford
Girl Askey
Valerie Simpson
Smokey Robinson
The Temptations
Rick James
Suzanne dePasse
Mickey Steveneon
Janie Bradford
Claudette Robinson
Cindy Birdsong
Holland Dozier Holland
Lionel Richie
Berry Gordy etc...etc....etc....
Neither Berry nor Arne are billionaires. In fact Diana was worth more than Arne at the time of their marriage (this is after Diane signed the RCA deal and made SOME royalties off the few RCA records that hit). Diana was not as talented as her peers. She had the sound cause Berry saw it as profit for him. But his push led to the tragic implosion of the Supremes and almost forced Motown to be shut down.
I guess in business, every one has to take it for one. Take it how u want it. ANYTHING
The stand in comment was very telling.
Flo carried you Diana. You voice sounded great next to hers. Mary ain't lying.
Flo could never get a job after leaving Motown. She didn't have a recording voice plus was too unprofessional. Nobody wanted to work with that.
Flo couldn't carry herself, how could she carry a WOMAN of DIANA caliber....PLEASE.
That's why Diana still single.
God Bless Them All.. #Imteamdiana
Me too!
Diana Ross The Boss was a young lady when those things happened with the Supremes. We all do silly things in our youth.
Diana Ross said that she is not going to defend what Mary Wilson said about the reason why Berry Gordy pushed her ahead of the other Supremes.And we know that Diana Ross sang lead on all the songs after she was made the official lead singer.Also the other girls could sing lead, but Berry Gordy felt that Diana's voice at that time ,was more commercial,so he went with what worked.Now even though this was the case,he could have let the other girls sing a lead or two, because this would not have taken anything away from Diana Ross, because a lot of people love Diana Ross, and Supremes fans loved Mary Wilson and Florence Ballard.Look at Destiny's Child , Berry Gordy could learn a lesson from them.Even Diana could have spoken up for her childhood friends because the ball was in her court.It seems as though that some people just got stepped on because Berry Gordy focused all his attention on Diana Ross and she still left Motown and found out that no one else is going to put up with the same things that Motown did.
Arthur Moon You are Right! After all of the negative stuff that still Gets f flung around about Miss Ross, and many times In Miss WILSON'S Face, I have always, Always seen her rise to the Defense and chide others for doing that and let them KNOW that She Loves her no matter WHAT the public and the media tries to cause others to perceive. In fact, THIS was the ONLY Time that Mary said this type of thing about her teammate because those In the know, KNOW it's factual and have SAID it. Maxine Powell has ALWAYS said it! I KNOW because I have SAT 'at her feet' while she told me a LOT of things about the industry, and brought the subject up herSELF without any influence. And Flo herSELF has said the EXACT SAME THING way before Mary ever came forth With it. But she's always Speaking UP for the other two in spite of the things the public believes and the media plays on! Miss Ross has not, except to benefit herself. As you can see, she immediately started in on Mary singing 'her songs'... but forgets that Barbara, Louie, Liza and others don't say that when she sings 'THEIR songs'.... and these songs are just as MUCH Wilson's as they are Ross's. They ALL were and ARE SUPREME and WORTHY. And they are WONDERFUL! I continually pray for proper reconciles! I Do!
It seems as though placing blame here and placing blame there we will never get any where.Because what is done is done.These people have made it and no matter what they continue to do or say they have moved on and bask in what ever you have remembered about these stars good or bad.Because when we are dead and gone life goes on.
TheReturnOfStephan1 the video was not to boost up what diana being a star we all knew she was a star , this video was about her being a back stabber, being mean, treating them like she is below them this is what this video about so keep the crab about her being a star we already knew that
TheReturnOfStephan1 i dont hate ross shes my favorite supreme... however i love the other supremes as well ... its proof that diana ross can be a bitch or was a bitch i will personally come back and give u the link when she saids it herself
TheReturnOfStephan1 at the end of the day you keep going around the fact for the way she was towards her peers, the supremes, and everyone else she chewed out for no reason why do you guys think that was ok... yall our like beyonce fans you guys never see the wrong in what they do but our so quick to point out what mary, or flo did why, there our books, stories, people even says it on live camera, etc etc on how she treated the supremes and her peers stop beating around the bush
"You can't stand in for me but we have replacements for flo and mary" ... chyle she was a mess
Did she just say everybody has a stand in but me 😂😂😂😂😂 cold then a mug 😂😂😂
I never cared for how Kirshner or Gordy did business. Slimy stuff.
People forget that Diana Ross was a young tomboy who would hang around the fellas,so to me that means she was already a tough little girl who was competitive.Some at Motown thought Diana;s voice was to nasal sounding and Flo was the better voice and Mary was prettier but Berry Gordy saw dollar signs.Diana was presented an opportunity and she took it and ran with it.
She still was all about money even back in 2000. She wants absolute creative control and was leaving mary out of it. Diana is more than just competitive. She wants to be the boss, even after decades of success it still wasnt enough. Thats not cool to me but then again its Hollywood. I see her in the same way I see Madonna. She knew how to work around the business and turn it into her advantage and no amount of fame is enough
@@secrets.295 Yep! It's her Aeries sun and Taurus moon -- fierce by nature personality that makes her the way she is. She was born to be a star and Gordy saw that ambition in her. She was the least attractive of the group and voice was certainly nasal sounding, but that type of sound she had was marketable to corporate white America back then. Gordy's goal was to break into the mainstream pop market, and boy did his plan work!
@@kilaadams7354 Can u please stop talking about race. Because its annoying. There are plenty of Black women back then that became huge even among white community.
@@secrets.295 exactly. Aretha Franklin became famous among blacks and white with her soulful voice.
Florence sounded a mess at 24 years old. Motown had to turn her mic down on the recording because she was making the production sound bad.
HDH did not want to work with Flo as a lead because they didn't see it for her or Mary's vocals. They had the final say actually, not Berry.
What disturbs me the most is that this happened over 55 years ago and your still shook by it?
VIC 110------TRUTH WILL ALWAYS CRY OUT---- FOR JUSTICE.
@vic1101ful There are some still shook by the Kennedy Assassination and that happened over 56 years ago. It depends on what gains your attention.
@@DetroitLives313
The assisination of one the most important political figures in world politics and American society should stay with you, with all of us. The decisions that came from his administration shaped the lives of generations. One artist being favored over another, as Ross was over Knight, should not have destroyed her world and it didn't. Her career went onto great success, accolades, and wealth. Allow me to play devil's advocate, if Ross wasn't at Motown, does she honest3believe th
believe that First would have invested in her? I doubt and Knight knows this. He wanted that high polish, glamour, and beauty, of Ross' voice to get him into white echelon of show business. Gladys doesn't have this.
@vic1101ful You have drunk the Kool-AID! You know nothing other than to repeat the age old propaganda. Everyone knows Gladys Knight has always been a better singer and performer than Diana Ross! (Diana Ross admitted that in so many ways herself). Next, Berry Gordy wanted Freda Payne, not Diane Ross! The only reason Freda did not become the first First Lady of Motown is because her mom, Mrs. Farley would not let her sign with Berry Gordy. Diana Ross decided early on to use sex to get herself and the Supremes promoted within the ranks of Motown artists. She all but says so. Go check out her interview for "Inside the Actor's Studio". You cannot convince anyone that she was such a great talent unless they already want to believe that and there are way too many videos that prove that Diana Ross was a average, mundane talent. There were many, many women that were more talented and certainly more beautiful. High polish? Glamour? HA! Diane Ross was gangling, hard looking tomboy. The glamour dimension to the Supremes came from Mary Wilson. Ross use to borrow Wilson's clothes and ended being named the best dressed girl at Cass Tech H.S. in Detroit. This becoming a waste of time since the truth about Diana Ross has been out there for decades now beginning with Mary Wilson's bestseller "Dreamgirl, My Life As A Supreme". So whatever you say now is fantasy, personal opinion based on personal preference.
She did all that watch her lie
Diana saying “she’s singing my songs”. Girl please.
The Public: Ms. Ross is diva and savage af
Ms. Ross: *JUST BE SURE THEY SPELL MY NAME RIGHT*
👍....Ms Diana Ross stayed focused on important things, like her family, her career and her health. Mary was always silly to me and lived her life being so bitter and envious of her childhood friend for succeeding. Smh. Shame.
@@dtrn254right Diana went in thinking of the future Mary & Flo went in thinking of the now
@@JC-gq2lo that's where Mary and Flo f***** up. They should have been looking at the future like Diana. Mary ad Flo were focused on the WRONG things: petty, youthful nonsense...so was Gladys.
They stayed clocking Diana's every move but missed working on themselves. They became stuck and angry.
Mary admitted that Diana's agressiveness made the SUPREMES great. One can't help but wonder just how far do you go in pursuit of greatness(?) They were "childhood friends" from 13 yrs old when all they had was each other and a BIG DREAM. It speaks to "character" when referencing the things she did to get to "superstardom." It's a shame that her selfish insecurity blinded her from her own genuine talent. She had the "gift" Mr. Gordy wanted to support financially; she didn't have to cut her friends' throats. She got what she wanted but to many she will always be on the wrong side of history. Fame, at the cost of hurting anyone you think is in your way, is "devil's work."
Dirty Diana smh
Diana Ross was from the projects and wanted more out of life. There is nothing the matter with ambition and she put fourth all the hard work that goes along with it. Berry Gordy didn't have a road map, he was creating the blueprint! We all know by now that the world of showbiz can be cutthroat and you have to have a thick skin on top of being talented. It was the 60's and 70's so Diana Ross had to be twice as good as her white counterparts in order to compete. She and Berry Gordy did that shit! Together they trailblazed and changed the game. You can't accomplish those sorts of things and expect to please everyone. Honestly, I don't get all the disdain toward Diana Ross. Where she started to where she's ended up should be commended, not ridiculed.
Bingo! say it louder for the idiots in the back..they cant hear you. so what she played nice with Barry Gordy , we all have to bend a little to get where we r if its important enough, the important thing is that u arrive and hold onto it, Diana is still standing and thriving which is alot more than u can say for some who have passed on from means other than natural causes. U can never define Diana as a prostitute, it was her brains that got her over the hump not that skinny little body of hers. it was Diana's voice that i took to right off the bat. it stood out amongst the rest.
And???? ALL of Motown's stars were/are from the projects. Diana Ross can't even sing and she looked 70 pretty much all her career
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@@curtismichael4703 🤷🏾♂️
@@ryensolar4000 u crazy af. Diana has blossom into a beautiful woman and her voice is phenomenal, her success speaks for itself and no one cares about your unfounded allegations, i doubt very seriously that Diana Ross who has been living in the lap of luxury gives a hoot about what u think, i love her voice and her music and it stood out amongst the rest.
I have a 1° and a 2° degree separation from miss Diana Ross. The first is my 9th grade teacher at Mrs. Wilemina Waddell, Who was a high school mate of DR. She was a super fair Creole Black lady. She once the girls in my class, "Oh, we ALL knew when Diane started sleeping with Mr. Gordy!". The 2nd was my roommate from college's mother who grew up in Detroit he was a Caucasian lady and she was attended the same high school. Very mind blowing!
Oprah ate that interview up
It's written - what is due to Caesar , give it to Caesar.Therefore, I think that Diana has a naturally nice voice . However , I think that every human as an imperfection in their personality and the allegations that are made about hers are just as it is.Not to say that she was right to treat people so unfair.
It's funny that you say that because I've always thought that Diana Ross was a very mediocre singer! I never thought she had much of a singing voice! Shes more of a whispering type singer to me
@@antoniogarrett4888 exactly!!!!! People literally have no brains or backbones. Diana Ross sang like an old woman and she was jealous Gladys Knight gave the crowd a REAL show
At about :27 Diana says in a low voice "oh my god". She can't believe Oprah is going there.
Notice her face , side eyes, throat swallows and tongue moving in her mouth as Oprah lays on the dirt.
@@SassyBratt1 right
I believe Diana was that way, yes people can change. People made her like that too. The music industry made her like that.
well... yes and no. the music industry is what it is. people can choose to sell their souls or not. they don't HAVE to turn into monsters.
Most of these comments are all about the jealousy of Diana Ross... ALL females go off the deep end including gay males can be terrible calculating human beings ... Diana Ross just did it best and won hers fair and square and that eats you all up! GET OVER IT!
Love Diana Ross. Florence had a good voice, but, wasn't a stand out. Mary RIP I hope she had happiness in life.
How would any of us know whether Flo had a stand out voice or not?
@@sherrybirchall8677 I've heard her so call solo work it ant good at all....
Diana is the ultimate Aries, just wants to be first all the time, sees herself as the winner and the one to possess the spotlight.
I don't agree with how Diana handled herself, but the fact is she was the standout of the act and the one Berry thought could cross over to the white audience and he was right; however, he did not handle Florence's departure the way he should have. Mary was more a survivor than Flo.
Lmao 😂🤣 It's the same tired black jealous bitches (as my mother said): Mary, Flo, Gladys and Patti. They all wanted Diana's spot so bad. But they either couldn't sing, were too ugly or didn't have good oratory skills, manners or fashions. They were MAD 😡👉😡! 🤣
Diana was very much LOVED at Motown by the people who truly mattered 👇:
Michael Jackson
Stevie Wonder
Marvin Gaye
Nickolas Ashford
Girl Askey
Valerie Simpson
Smokey Robinson
The Temptations
Rick James
Suzanne dePasse
Mickey Steveneon
Janie Bradford
Claudette Robinson
Cindy Birdsong
Holland Dozier Holland
Lionel Richie
Berry Gordy etc...etc....etc....
A lot of people's lord and savior, Beyonce took good notes from Dirty Diana, trust that
Of course Gordy was good to her especially to the point Diana got her way period and they was messing around during the time
I think its admirable that she went on Oprah and lampooned herself right along with Miss Winfrey (No offense MISS Ross...LOL). Hey Diana Ross was R&B first diva and the stories are older than most of you guys that has commented. I know them all and guess what, she'still alright with me. Always been a big fan regardless to whom or what! #StillCominOut
At around 3:35 Diana's voice changed. That light sweet voice is an act that comes naturally after soooooo many years. I'm not mad at her. We all must do what we must to survive or 'make it'.
Pardon me---God see s everything--- in your mind --- in your heart--- this goes for ALL of us.. and Diana... you too. Jesus warned us ... don't die in your sins. Not one of us is perfect... we all have faults... Video s do not lie. People do!!
0:14 diana like ok girl calm down
I liked Diana Ross as an artists but I don’t appreciate some of her interviews.
She is a legend and is talented. I’d appreciate if she admits to things she’s done when younger that may not show her in the best light.
It’s crazy how people will embarrass you publicly yet want to apologize privately.
You don’t have to say every horrible thing you’ve done but it just lets me know you weren’t very nice and would step on anyone to get ahead.
I don’t think being young unless you’re under 8 years old justifies nasty behavior.
Don’t come for me in the comments.
For those who are ok with her treatment of her fellow musicians then you would feel differently if it were you.🤷🏾♀️😳🙄
Who would have thought that she would be the last Supreme (sans Cindy Birdsong) still standing. RIP Mary & Flo!
Cindy is also one of the last Bluebelles as well RIP Sarah Dash
@@nutinman4u 4 Bluebells. 3 still living.
Hint: Billy Joel song...
@@nutinman4uPatti and Nona are alive and still kicking (very strongly I might add).
The Supremes weren't even singing on most of those records. It was Diana Ross and the Andantes, professional session singers who did most of the back up work behind Diana Ross.
How do you know?
Once Florence left (and even before when she missed sessions), the Andantes were on most (not all) Supremes recordings. It should be noted that after producers started using miscellaneous background vocalists, fans stopped listening to Supremes records as much…. The “Supremes sound” was gone.
Great point and thank you for mentioning!
Lmao 😂🤣 It's the same tired black jealous bitches (as my mother said): Mary, Flo, Gladys and Patti. They all wanted Diana's spot so bad. But they either couldn't sing, were too ugly or didn't have good oratory skills, manners or expert fashion sense. They were MAD with envy 😡
Diana was very much LOVED at Motown by the people who truly mattered 👇:
Michael Jackson
Stevie Wonder
Marvin Gaye
Nickolas Ashford
Girl Askey
Valerie Simpson
Smokey Robinson
The Temptations
Rick James
Suzanne dePasse
Mickey Steveneon
Janie Bradford
Claudette Robinson
Cindy Birdsong
Holland Dozier Holland
Lionel Richie
Berry Gordy etc...etc....etc....
Yeah the ones after In and Out of Love was just Diana.
Say what you want but if you don’t have the will to succeed you’ll be left behind just like everyone else. I’ve learned so much from Diana and I apply it to my daily life.
I agree, but At any cost though ?
Depends on the situation🫤🤣
me too
That's not true, you can rely solely on your talent, if you have it.
You can succeed without stopping others from shining too.
Even got pissed off because Gladys and her boys were singing circles around Ross, and called and snitched on them..This same type of stuff goes on in church..
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.
Ross was destined for stardom. She had the "IT" factor the others didn't.
Disagree. People offered Flo acting parts, and Berry rejected them because they weren't offering those roles to Diana. Berry could've promoted all three, and made superstars of each. Diana would've still been a megawatt superstar, but it didn't have to be at the expense of Mary, Florence, or the other greats at Motown. Furthermore, had Diana really had the "IT" factor and the others didn't, The Supremes would've never existed beyond the male doo-wop group that had the name first. Only Diana would've been told to come back after graduating high school.
@@channelskip what people? stop lying 🤣 ... Lunatics like y'all make up s*** that people can easily verify is false.
Mary and Flo weren't even on most of the Supremes' songs, it was all DIANA. Flo could barely even complete sentences in an interview, she was a poor speaker. no oratory skills.
Plus she oversang so badly that are HDH had to tell her to step back from the mic because she was ruining their songs. Any timer a producer tells you to step back it's not a good sign 😳
@@damontrent1971 I wrote what I wrote based on what I have good reason to believe to be valid information. Notice I did it without name-calling and subjective rebuttals. We're done.
I guess all the people talking negative things about Diana Ross here and everywhere else would reject a good job offer in order to please their friends. Berry Gordy was a businessman first and above all. He knew where the money was and who had the most marketable voice. 12 number one singles with the Supremes and 6 more as a solo artist plus an Oscar nomination and a gazillion of other achievements are proof of that. He believed in her more that she even believed in herself. Business is all about money so, their relationship was second to that. There are trains that only come once in a lifetime. If Diana Ross was a guy, we would be thinking of her as a powerful, important man instead of a bitch. Take that offer, you are not offending anyone. If you don't take it, another person will take it for you. They are not going to feel sorry for you, right? Life is hard so, if someone believes in you, don't deny that opportunity.
@rossnumberone2 You missed the whole point. She laid down on her back and opened up her legs wide to get the top job! So no, I would expect women to do that if they are truly qualified for the position. Of course Mr. Gordy knew where the money was, he use to be a street pimp in Detroit. A hustler.
@Spanky Applegate Diana Ross did not have a remarkable voice at all... it was ok at best. She got mega stardom because she was married to the owner of Motown so of course they are going to the best songwriters and best promotion. Which later helped her own solo career because she developed a name for herself. The sad thing is I think she was a girl with insecurities who wanted to be THAT girl that had it all.
Given Florence Ballard sang the Supremes Songs the Heights Of Phenomena would have overshadowed Motown and barry gordy's Penis!
Nah come on now. It’s true Diana got picked to lead before they became a couple but Diana was already Berry’s favorite girl by 1962 so he obviously wanted to see fit that her dreams came true no matter what. She probably would’ve stayed had Berry been paying her but according to her sales figures it was never recouped and when she finally did decide to leave she found out she was only worth $250,000 despite six solo number ones.
Oprah needs to be quiet. Diana can be seen throwing her hands in the other Supremes faces. Gladys Knight sing circles around Diana. Everyone is not lying on Diana.
Anette Richard So true! All of these are not lies. Thank you for pointing that out.
@Anette Richard
Oprah's right to rebuke nonsense.
Please post links to the video(s)wherein Miss Ross throws her hands in front of the other Supremes' faces.
Diana Ross sings just as well as Gladys Knight, but, she usually undersings, especially on record.
Here's a link to one of the rare occasions wherein she performs in something close to her full voice: ua-cam.com/video/x9hj8FiDTyI/v-deo.html
TheReturnOfStephan1 The issue is that she called Berry and asked him to send Gladys Knight and the Pips home when they were performing together. That was and still is petty and insecure. It is very well documented. Nuff said as it is old news, but it is true. Ross fans need to acknowledge that she has done some devious things.
@TheRmjr
The "issue" is that if this story is true, and I've seen celebrities circulate stories about Diana Ross that weren't, it would, indeed, speak to her(wholly unnecessary)insecurity.
However, again, according to Cholly Atkins' autobiography, The O'Jays tried to do the exact same thing to GK&TP, but, I doubt, very seriously, that you'll be as upset by their action, primarily because you envy her, so, you'll look for anything to justify your resentment.
Happy hunting!:)
TheReturnOfStephan1 I believe it is true. We are talking about this issue now and Gladys has no reason to lie. Perhaps she has "grown up" now but she was very insecure. And Maxine Powell said she was snooty. These are not all lies. I have my opinion and you have yours. She got her stardom at the expense of others.
To say, that Diana Ross; would stop at nothing to rise to the top, one thought comes to mind, is that she sold her soul for fame. Not to mentioned, her daughter Rhonda Ross; is Berry Gordon; biological daughter, who was told while coming of age; that Berry was her uncle. Last, but not least, Florence Ballard and Mary Wilson; started the group call the Supremes. Diana wasn't even thought of until later. Do the research on Diana, the people at Motown didn't have anything kind, to say about this woman and also, she was sleeping around with various Motown male artists.
@ZARAH1363,, You sound jealous and silly and you are making things up to sound worse ... what have your mother and grandmother done?? and ever worse who you done slept with that we don't know about?
The interview at 6:25 made my skin crawl. I'm a huge fan of Diana's music, but THAT made me sick! 🤮🤢
Wow I can't believe she said that right in front of them on national TV
@@dudefromkc6182 Please...Ms. Ross' back-up singers already knew the TRUTH! Diana Ross HAS ALWAYS BEEN MORE BEAUTIFUL & MORE TALENTED. GROW UP & Stop the HATE & RESENTMENT!
I was like Daaaamn
@@DawnMartinOfficial Do you know her personally? You sound absolutely crazy.
I love Diana but that was a very LOW BLOW!! #Sad
Mary was so pretty.
WRITTEN, PRODUCED & EDITED by Mary Wilson !!!!!, LOL !!!!!
Vivian Vandella nope names terry from Michigan ...
weve all heard the stories about Diana, but when youre that talented and driven, its kinda to be expected up to a point, shes the best, shes the mega super duper star who out shines everyone and thats just how it is. it might not be fair on mary and florence obviously, but its like when you got michael jordan or maradona on your team you just gotta give em the ball, get outta their way and let them do their thing / the business. *and it doesnt even matter if /that florence had a better stronger voice than diana, many top singers to, but where it actually really counts- dianas voice is silk, velvet, pure magic, its perfect and no-one can beat it.
Flo was the voice Diana was the sound with her funni voice and funni looking self.
Diana Ross has always been beautiful.
The comments are bitter and annoying like Ntm on Diana Ross
The fact of the matter is that the people made their choice and they chose Diana!!!!
Bobby Brown thats not the point... you must haven’t read the other comments, we know she was the star... we speaking on the treatment against the other supremes
@Bobby Brown No they didn't. You must be real young. I was around when the Supremes were very popular. No one in the public was begging for more Diana Ross out front or as a solo artists. It was forced by Berry Gordy and Motown. We never chose Diana......Motown did and in doing so, gave the public no choice!
Diana let her friends down to become a superstar.
What friends definitely not Flo or mary because they was the jealous ones, nobody could top DIANA.
I could just imagine what she was doing, Diana Ross to get to that point in life. Maybe that’s why she got a kid with the creator of Motown
Notice the Carson show appearance which turned out to be Florence's last appearance on TV with them, when Diana talks about stand-ins for Mary and Florence should they not be able to appear on stage for any given reason...notice how Florence just sits there smiling but Mary chimes in emphatically backing up Diana with so much vigor and enthusiasm as if she is assisting Diana on using the direct vocal expression to Carson as a tool to assure Florence that how they've been messing with her as of that time in both past and later her limited few months future was perfectly normal. Almost as if to 'soft blow' her on any suspicions about her later exit via termination from the group. This demonstrates to me that Mary was very much in on this and knew what Gordy and Diana were doing. She may have done this for pure survival for herself..but..it convinces me that she was part and parcel of this whole scandal regarding Florence.
I agree
SASSY-- yes -- it is true Mary admitted it-- she was scared and did not know how to speak her piece like Flo did-- Mary said she did NOT want to lose her place in the singing world and went along just to have the job she wanted.. Today =-- she would not do what she did back then...and when Ross asked her to go on tour for 2 million Mary said NO-- she is not that scared little girl she was back then!!! Ross-- doing some of Gordys ' tricks... ?????
@@reealitychick True Mary was almost in a state of "Stockholm Sydrome" inflicted on her by the Ross and Gordy bully team. They bullied her.
Mary was always being picked on and bullied and obviously put into a corner. She wanted the original group to remain together but that just wasn’t in the cards. It’s sad.
The music industry will
Chew you up and spit you out
Thank you Egypt PrinceT.......Diane Ross by getting inside Berry Gordy's pants in 1965/66 together systematically turned THE SUPREMES into the Dog & Pony Show of DRATS (Diane Ross And The Supremes). Florence Ballard, Mary Wilson and later Cindy Birdsong became Diane's bookends stage props. With no artistically exposure, this created the friction and eventually in Florence Ballard still never overcoming her sexual assault drove her into the depression that eventually after being ousted from the group causer her, her life. Diane Ross knows that murder is born in the heart.
Like it or not, Diana Ross was a huge talent, the like of which we don't see today. Berry Gordy pulled Gladys Knight off the tour. Remember these girls were in their early twenties at the time, and every artist at Motown was notoriously manipulated by the company. If anyone signed with Motown, they were immediately in debt. Don't be too hasty to pour scorn on Ross. She took The Supremes and Motown to the highest highs in her wake.
All these years later she still called her Miss Ross
LISTEN AGAIN--- Some are saying it with ---SARCASM ...
She only did that because it was the only way this egomaniac Diane would agree to be on her show. You notice that no one interviews Diana Ross anymore.......
@@DetroitLives313.......lol.... by 2019 Diane Ross has burn all her bridges, all she has left is her Motown "Sunset Boulevard Norma Desmond" existence. She's living in her has-been bubble,
@TWTR4EVER She goes out on stage now wearing home made dresses that look rather cheap. She refuses to even acknowledge Mary Wilson's new book "Supreme Glamour" which is selling like hotcakes!
@@DetroitLives313 ...lol......Diane should incorporate in her music repertoire the song "Delta Dawn" is so her.
Sure Berry believed in you Diana because he knew he could sleep with you whenever he wanted to 😩
Diana Ross like other legends always have to live with both the burden and the glory of stories and tales both true and untrue. Ah, such is life. Go to any ordinary job, whether it is a factory or an office or construction and the same tales and rumor are bantered about. Miss Ross happily for millions of people around the world has always had the strong backbone to deal with it and get on with her life, her family and her career. 'Nuff said.
'Sho 'Nuff said la la la., truth be told and still those lying smiln eyes beg you do not believe the truth.
Thank you! Gladys Knight is a smiling liar who has accused everybody from Les Brown to Aretha Franklin of mistreating her. This is Gladys's MO.
REALITY CHECK --where is Diana today-- she is NOT where she should be-- she is NOT as popular or even with her looks as she should have been-- she is known and still loved by many --- BUT -- there still is that sadness about her being the DIVA...and the loss of life and shunned friendships that were forsaken --cause -- she thought??????? she was gods gift to music--- and it never worked out--- Diana came back to America--- where she should have stayed in the first place-- she learned her lesson the hard way-- like most of us do... God gave the gift of the 3 Supreme s.. . and Diana will always be remembered for that.. God Bless her..
thank you - it was a spiritual message..
I love Diana Ross!
Talent and shine and determination
Great performer
And all
But!!!
Mary Wilson Florence Ballard and Cindy Birdsong should have been treated better during those years!
When I say better
I mean
Lead a song
See if it would been a hit
That would not have taken any thing from Ross!!
It was a pioneering time. Those kinds of risks didnt make sense to Gordys mindset. He had a formula that he felt worked and he wanted to stick with it. He was scared to take that kind of risk with The Supremes. -- it was such a pioneering time that girl groups these days can only learn from some of the mistakes Motown made with The Supremes.
Definitely wouldn’t. Diana was real good but she needed a group.
there was an all black comedy show from the 90's called the real mccoy
they did a spot on supremes skit
It's fair to say the most successful people in life are usually the most corrupt. Money is the root of all evil. Love is everything. Most of these celebs are hypocrites because they preach LOVE LOVE LOVE during their shows and yet complain when they don't get enough payment! That's all I am saying.
No, the LOVE of MONEY is the ROOT of all evil.
@@yama5182 lmao I came to comment that but you were first hahaha I hate how every one always leaves out “the love of money...”
@@nikkiloveslife4841 irrelevant.
So the rumors are true about her and Berry Gordy and Eddie Kendricks
Its ashame what they did to Flo..
China Doll C1 what happened with her and Eddie kendricks ?
@@BenMosesGames
Eddie and Diana were a couple when they were the Primes and the Primettes.
Stop lying Diana didn't do anything to anybody... Mary was always silly and envious. Florence was a belligerent alcoholic who HDH did not want to work with.
@@dtrn254
It was more of a question not a statement, calm down.. people are entitled to their own opinion... we all have issues in life...goodness
No one on hear is lying, just their opinions... none of have nothing to do with this.
God bless...
@@honeybrowne7381 Re-read what you wrote. You made an accusation implying Diana did something to Flo. That's utterly ridiculous. Flo was emotionally damaged and needed to get out of Show Business to heal yourself. Diana couldn't save Flo, she was only 22 years old herself.
Just love this clip. It only shows that only the strong survive.
… yes, the strong survive, the strong who are ruthless, ambitious, cunning, backstabbing. Yes, the strong survive and they stand and they walk over the bodies of individuals who wouldn’t lower themselves to a moral standard as that of a snake.
@@Jasper7182009 love it or hate it but that's what it takes to be a survivor. 79 and still going.
@@Jasper7182009essentially, disgusting.
"The strong"...More like the opportunistic and egocentric
@@beatiroide no matter what you call it. Like it or not but the winner takes all.
Flo 💜
Everybody been saying the samethings for years , ever since the late 60s, not everyone is lying on Diana. Yes she her voice was use more on the hits and she was the permanent lead singer especially after Flo was kicked out but it still didnt give her no reason to be a bitch, she was a star regardless
@Charlisa Henderson
The ONLY people who accuse her are those who've caused their own downfalls, and look for others to blame.
Gladys Horton of The Marvelettes said, "Diana had no attitude. She's just a girl who spoke mind."
@@TheReturnOfStephan1 Long time no talk, I agree with you not everything is Diana's fault. Florence said herself that she play a medium role in her firing and downfall while saying she trust Diana more than Mary because Flo knew what Diana was all about so Flo never faulted Diana. It all about Flo and Berry for the most part.