Eastern Christians are generally appalled to have Rupnik's artwork described as blending in "Eastern" styles. They take one look and say, "That crap is _not_ representative of _us_ and the beauty of _our_ artistic tradition. Our stuff looks like icons, not like mere cartoons." (And they were saying this _before_ Rupnik was shown to be a pervert.)
When a person enters holy orders as a novice, seminarian, priest or religious, they say “no” to sex. Therefore anyone at all who makes a sexual proposition to them is ipso facto guilty of harassment. If it’s another cleric, it’s sexual harassment in the workplace. That’s a sacking offence in most jurisdictions. For a cleric, there is no such thing as consensual sex. So it’s irrelevant if Rupnik’s victims were adults or not.
It's worse than you probably know. Yes, Rupnik used his sex with the nuns (and they testified to his actions in Court), but Rupnik also used his sex with normally sacred objects (chalice) & forced these nuns to participate in his perversion. This perverts' art is being promoted in real time from the Vatican. They must be laughing at anyone who is upset with their demonic actions. The Vatican has been taken over. Homosexuality is one of their Crown Jewels. Perversion is close behind. There is talk of the V. Bank & child traf....ing. But there is a remnant of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Someday there will be justice. Christ keeps His promises. 🙏✝️🙏
Thank goodness, finally!!!! I am in Boston, and for one year I have been thinking "Where is Cardinal O'Malley on this?" Finally!!!! Oh, O'Malley will get it DONE. Just sit back now and try to relax. O'Malley's got this. Whew!!! Bergoglio wouldn't dare expunge O'Malley! O'Malley came in, kicked out Law, and got to the bottom of it all!! Yeah!!! (Not that we don't love Vigano!)
The Church (and the world at large) are still reeling from the modern and postmodern art movements. It’s likely that these styles will die out relatively soon (but not soon enough imo)
The U.S. Catholic Church spent $10.6 million on lobbyists to prevent victims of clerical sex abuse from being able to hold their abuses accountable. Spare me the BS about the comission caring at all when the church still actively harms victims today. "According to a new report, the money was doled out from 2011 through 2018 in eight northeastern states where bills to reform statute of limitations laws were either in the works or being considered." “This report lays out what we have known all along - that the Catholic Church refuses to take responsibility for the decades of abuse that took place knowingly under its watch,” said attorney Stephen Weiss, who works for one of the law firms that commissioned the study.
O'Malley has been sitting on his hands instead of cleaning up the filth in the seminaries in Massachusetts which are the worst in the nation he may be a good man but he's no great administrator
Not convinced he is a good man if he does nothing seems like a coward. Also this years ordination he had pagan dancers. Seems to not be catholic anymore and falling into bergoglios religion.
Peace n thx. Tattoos can be form of idolatry, why Leviticus forbids. If use occult, evil symbols, etc still forbidden. Basically way of inviting evil. So, the staff guidelines probably necessary if found more supernatural evil than usual manifested.
Right. Our modern idea of tattoos likely don't look like what we see in Leviticus (rather like other religious cultures of the time). Leviticus 19:28 "You shall not make any cuts on your body FOR THE DEAD or tattoo yourselves: I am the Lord."
People with serious claims against another person or institution should not use the media as their court room. A court room has serious rules to protect both sides. Media should stay out of these allegations. They are not competent to deal with them. They simple cast aspersions without any real proof helping neither side.
Re: The Synodal Way: Hey, Germans: You must not _contradict_ the dogmas of Catholic ecclesiology! But, there's nothing wrong with _bicameralism._ So, Germans, have you considered the following structure/system? - "house #1, the lower house": Lay legislature, in which the bishops are present as observers; - "house #2, the upper house": Bishops' conference, in which the laity are present as observers; To pass and be enacted within any _given_ diocese, a given piece of legislation must... 1. be approved _in forma specifica_ by a majority of the members of _both_ "houses"; 2. be signed off on (not vetoed) by the bishop of _that_ diocese in which the legislation is to be enacted; and, 3. not be vetoed by the pope (acting directly or through a legate/nuncio). Re: Vetos: In the event that a bishop of one diocese vetoes the legislation, his veto may be overridden, but only by a 50%-plus-one vote of one "house" and a 3/5ths vote of the other (or by the Roman Pontiff instructing that bishop to reverse his veto). The veto of the pope cannot, of course, be overturned. This would, I think, satisfy the German desire for lay involvement, without breaking the doctrinal/ecclesiological requirement that: (a.) the bishop of a diocese is monarchical, and a true overseer; (b.) the bishops, not the laity, have the charism of shepherding their flock in their dioceses, including legislatively; and (c.) the Roman Pontiff, both as successor of Peter and as Patriarch of the West, has jurisdiction as per Vatican I.
@@FrancesRobinson-yn2ks: Um, gotta disagree with you there. Catholicism could die out entirely in Germany, and the Asians and Africans would be perfectly capable of re-evangelizing the (then-pagan) German people. There's _infinite_ hope for the Church, with-or-without any given country's population. Or did you mean to say that the _opinions_ of those who favor the Synodal Way are the "only hope?" If _that's_ what you mean, I must ask: Why would that be true? Which of their opinions do you believe the Church can't do without?
Ironically the Rupnik thing is all about "optics", it seems (since Rupnik is a visual artist): it's about LOOKING compassionate (or "pastoral"), not about being compassionate ... much less about being just. Yet another instance of the emotions trumping reason and justice. Because it is unreasonable and unjust to punish the accused UNTIL they are proven guilty. Has Rupnik been proven guilty? Even when/if he is, I'll NOT sign up for the lynch mob, I'll expect for him to be properly sentenced by those who have the authority to do so. And that does not mean the social media vigilantes.
Yes, Rupnik was found to force his sex on his nuns & have them participate in perverted sacramental sex using himself & the Chalice. He is also reported as absolving his victims. The nuns took this to Court. Rupnik was banned from the Jesuits Order, but Francis reversed this & has given him a pass. It's a slap on anyone, not just the nuns, but on anyone who is raised in the Faith.
I've had enough of John doing this into with "in the name of God" etc. It's wrong; it treats the Holy Name frivolously. It's not "cute" and he ought to know better.
Where was O'Malley all these years? Is he losing it?His diocese of Boston was the worst. When Mindzenti of Hungary was austed from living Martyrdom by Paul V1.Americans picked the the good mother of Calcutta as living witness to Christ with the help of John Paul 2, and through him a fast tracked saint.When good mother died and made saint, the promoters of the west forgot Mother Nirmala who took over from Mother Teresa. O'Malley cannot find a successor? Go to India and find a substitute!
But his order is overflowing with aspirants and whichever order you look they are very rich through donations. Hope they know how to manage. Because a priest lack of training does not make him an ideal money manager. Even with finance committees made up of laity things go haywire. Which amazes me.
@@Abraham-uk4xy l think you may not understand the point. Like Peter Waldo St Francis was on a path to Jesus called poverty. A path that no church, protestant or catholic, like very much. One does not get golden chalices with poverty.
@@marshalldarcy7423 i understood well. What Francis was called to was centuries ago. What happens today in the 1st, 2nd, 3order, Capuchins is something else. So much so the friars of the renewal broke off again to reform.
@@Abraham-uk4xyMany of the Franciscans where burned to death by the church under Pope John the 22nd in the 14 century, as where the Waldensians. This was done for the hearsay of "poor use" against the Franciscans. It is my understanding that there where two parts to Francis path, one was personal poverty and the other was "poor use", meaning that if one had a cup it would be a poor cup not a gold one. Many Franciscans caved under the pressure from John the 22nd and those that did not where destroyed in several ways. The truth of this story is hard to find for much of the documentation about St Francis and his life and his order was altered and destroyed by the Church. " en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraticelli " It is interesting that Pope John the 22nd is also the Pope that destroyed the "Knights Templer" , as I understand it.
The current Vatican will be accountable to God for their misdeeds. There is the Universal, ordinary Magisterium & the union of all the Angels & Saints. If you are properly baptized, appeal to the Holy Trinity & the Blessed Virgin Mary". Be Holy for God is Holy." God's got this. 🙏
Made from the finest yaks wool from Kazakhstan - I have to say, its late 70s/early 80s Soviet vibe is so strong, it seems at least as likely the tailor intended it ironically - as he did genuinely believing he was crafting a timeless classic. Nevertheless, even with tongue firmly in cheek, I would say it should be unashamedly paired with a black, pale blue or cream polo neck and a very slimline, stylish - period correct vintage Omega or Patek on the wrist (LONG before they became hideous lumpy things posing as diving equipment) - and its silk lined interior concealing nothing more than a gnarly 9ct gold Dunhill lighter with a wick - and 20 Caffe Creme cigarillos - job done!😂❤
You must like O'Malley. Because if we comments and it's negative but the truth you will delete. Why bother with this topic when you are not interested in the truth?
You are hopeful about nothing. What can one man do? In the past external auditors, consultants and bankers tried to improve the system. They all failed.
![Lp. Сердце Вселенной #60 РОЖДЕНИЕ ЛОЛОЛОШКИ [Финал] • Майнкрафт](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/YoR0pAV9FVQ/mqdefault.jpg)
Eastern Christians are generally appalled to have Rupnik's artwork described as blending in "Eastern" styles. They take one look and say, "That crap is _not_ representative of _us_ and the beauty of _our_ artistic tradition. Our stuff looks like icons, not like mere cartoons." (And they were saying this _before_ Rupnik was shown to be a pervert.)
Tattoos are horrible. No one has ever looked better with a tattoo.
Popeye just wouldn't be Popeye, though...
@@FrJohnBrownSJ He was a Protestant, despite his name (Pope Ye).
@@TP-om8of😂
When a person enters holy orders as a novice, seminarian, priest or religious, they say “no” to sex.
Therefore anyone at all who makes a sexual proposition to them is ipso facto guilty of harassment. If it’s another cleric, it’s sexual harassment in the workplace. That’s a sacking offence in most jurisdictions.
For a cleric, there is no such thing as consensual sex.
So it’s irrelevant if Rupnik’s victims were adults or not.
It's worse than you probably know. Yes, Rupnik used his sex with the nuns (and they testified to his actions in Court), but Rupnik also used his sex with normally sacred objects (chalice) & forced these nuns to participate in his perversion. This perverts' art is being promoted in real time from the Vatican.
They must be laughing at anyone who is upset with their demonic actions.
The Vatican has been taken over. Homosexuality is one of their Crown Jewels. Perversion is close behind. There is talk of the V. Bank & child traf....ing.
But there is a remnant of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Someday there will be justice. Christ keeps His promises. 🙏✝️🙏
I am happy for Cardinal Sean O'Malley for his 80th birthday. He lives in a simple life that he follows the path of St. Francis of Assisi.
What has O'Malley really done in Massachusetts to stop the abuse since 2014 ? Law got kicked upstairs to Rome before the law could arrest him.
Thank goodness, finally!!!! I am in Boston, and for one year I have been thinking "Where is Cardinal O'Malley on this?" Finally!!!! Oh, O'Malley will get it DONE. Just sit back now and try to relax. O'Malley's got this. Whew!!! Bergoglio wouldn't dare expunge O'Malley! O'Malley came in, kicked out Law, and got to the bottom of it all!! Yeah!!! (Not that we don't love Vigano!)
Glad you are encouraged by this.
😂
Everyone needs a place to call home. Simply the best. Better than all the rest.
Why is the Church with such a stellar history of fine art a fan of Rupnik, pervert or not??
The long march through the institutions.
Vatican II .... Felt replaced marble & beautiful stained glass art was replaced with
broken stained glass shards of simplicity.
The Church (and the world at large) are still reeling from the modern and postmodern art movements. It’s likely that these styles will die out relatively soon (but not soon enough imo)
@@russbus1967 From your mouth to God’s ear!
Art might be the only thing the church has a stellar history on.
The U.S. Catholic Church spent $10.6 million on lobbyists to prevent victims of clerical sex abuse from being able to hold their abuses accountable. Spare me the BS about the comission caring at all when the church still actively harms victims today.
"According to a new report, the money was doled out from 2011 through 2018 in eight northeastern states where bills to reform statute of limitations laws were either in the works or being considered."
“This report lays out what we have known all along - that the Catholic Church refuses to take responsibility for the decades of abuse that took place knowingly under its watch,” said attorney Stephen Weiss, who works for one of the law firms that commissioned the study.
O'Malley has been sitting on his hands instead of cleaning up the filth in the seminaries in Massachusetts which are the worst in the nation he may be a good man but he's no great administrator
Well said. Very sad.
No surprise.He is a liberal!
Not convinced he is a good man if he does nothing seems like a coward. Also this years ordination he had pagan dancers. Seems to not be catholic anymore and falling into bergoglios religion.
Agreed. He is on the abuse commission but won't clean up his own patch
@@Abraham-uk4xy
Ya he is most likely one of them and if not just as guilty by protecting them.
That was really good and informative.
Peace n thx. Tattoos can be form of idolatry, why Leviticus forbids. If use occult, evil symbols, etc still forbidden. Basically way of inviting evil. So, the staff guidelines probably necessary if found more supernatural evil than usual manifested.
Right. Our modern idea of tattoos likely don't look like what we see in Leviticus (rather like other religious cultures of the time).
Leviticus 19:28 "You shall not make any cuts on your body FOR THE DEAD or tattoo yourselves: I am the Lord."
what about the victims.....as usual ...hardly anything ! BUT a good defense of o'Mally
I'd like to see Pope Francis wear Rupnik and Zanchetta tattoos.
Honesty in advertising and all that.
You've got a point! 😊
What would the Vatican's policy on Rupnik tattoos be? 🤔
😂 It may become a "thing"!
“Rome Reports “ says Card. O’Malley has resigned everything? I trust you more, but would you clarify?
People with serious claims against another person or institution should not use the media as their court room. A court room has serious rules to protect both sides. Media should stay out of these allegations. They are not competent to deal with them. They simple cast aspersions without any real proof helping neither side.
My earlier post was deleted. Were my questions too inconvenient? Yes.
The age limit of 80 for participation in a conclave makes me think of what a sheer, gigantic and far reaching Mess Paul VI made of the church.
Yes, Paul VI, what a bang up job!
Re: The Synodal Way: Hey, Germans: You must not _contradict_ the dogmas of Catholic ecclesiology! But, there's nothing wrong with _bicameralism._
So, Germans, have you considered the following structure/system?
- "house #1, the lower house": Lay legislature, in which the bishops are present as observers;
- "house #2, the upper house": Bishops' conference, in which the laity are present as observers;
To pass and be enacted within any _given_ diocese, a given piece of legislation must...
1. be approved _in forma specifica_ by a majority of the members of _both_ "houses";
2. be signed off on (not vetoed) by the bishop of _that_ diocese in which the legislation is to be enacted; and,
3. not be vetoed by the pope (acting directly or through a legate/nuncio).
Re: Vetos: In the event that a bishop of one diocese vetoes the legislation, his veto may be overridden, but only by a 50%-plus-one vote of one "house" and a 3/5ths vote of the other (or by the Roman Pontiff instructing that bishop to reverse his veto). The veto of the pope cannot, of course, be overturned.
This would, I think, satisfy the German desire for lay involvement, without breaking the doctrinal/ecclesiological requirement that:
(a.) the bishop of a diocese is monarchical, and a true overseer;
(b.) the bishops, not the laity, have the charism of shepherding their flock in their dioceses, including legislatively; and
(c.) the Roman Pontiff, both as successor of Peter and as Patriarch of the West, has jurisdiction as per Vatican I.
These German guys are the future of The Church! And they may very well be the only hope for The Church.
@@FrancesRobinson-yn2ks: Um, gotta disagree with you there. Catholicism could die out entirely in Germany, and the Asians and Africans would be perfectly capable of re-evangelizing the (then-pagan) German people. There's _infinite_ hope for the Church, with-or-without any given country's population.
Or did you mean to say that the _opinions_ of those who favor the Synodal Way are the "only hope?" If _that's_ what you mean, I must ask: Why would that be true? Which of their opinions do you believe the Church can't do without?
what is the better email address to be in conversation?
Yes, ban those Rupnik tattoos on those Vatican employees. But keep those Rupnik murals coming! 🤔
Right?! Grrrrr
🎉
Ironically the Rupnik thing is all about "optics", it seems (since Rupnik is a visual artist): it's about LOOKING compassionate (or "pastoral"), not about being compassionate ... much less about being just. Yet another instance of the emotions trumping reason and justice. Because it is unreasonable and unjust to punish the accused UNTIL they are proven guilty. Has Rupnik been proven guilty? Even when/if he is, I'll NOT sign up for the lynch mob, I'll expect for him to be properly sentenced by those who have the authority to do so. And that does not mean the social media vigilantes.
Well get ready, because you-know-who laicized Uncle Ted and put him out to pasture therefore not dealing with anything more like uh hum, VICTIMS.
Yes, Rupnik was found to force his sex on his nuns & have them participate in perverted sacramental sex using himself & the Chalice. He is also reported as absolving his victims. The nuns took this to Court. Rupnik was banned from the Jesuits Order, but Francis reversed this & has given him a pass. It's a slap on anyone, not just the nuns, but on anyone who is raised in the Faith.
I've had enough of John doing this into with "in the name of God" etc. It's wrong; it treats the Holy Name frivolously. It's not "cute" and he ought to know better.
Sadly even my parish was hit with the priest pedophile scandal. It was a priest who was before my time so I never saw him.
Where was O'Malley all these years? Is he losing it?His diocese of Boston was the worst.
When Mindzenti of Hungary was austed from living Martyrdom by Paul V1.Americans picked the the good mother of Calcutta as living witness to Christ with the help of John Paul 2, and through him a fast tracked saint.When good mother died and made saint, the promoters of the west forgot Mother Nirmala who took over from Mother Teresa.
O'Malley cannot find a successor? Go to India and find a substitute!
I'm glad it's not up to me
It is my understanding that St Francis of Assisi would not even touch gold.
But his order is overflowing with aspirants and whichever order you look they are very rich through donations. Hope they know how to manage. Because a priest lack of training does not make him an ideal money manager. Even with finance committees made up of laity things go haywire. Which amazes me.
@@Abraham-uk4xy l think you may not understand the point. Like Peter Waldo St Francis was on a path to Jesus called poverty. A path that no church, protestant or catholic, like very much. One does not get golden chalices with poverty.
@@marshalldarcy7423 i understood well. What Francis was called to was centuries ago. What happens today in the 1st, 2nd, 3order, Capuchins is something else. So much so the friars of the renewal broke off again to reform.
@@Abraham-uk4xyMany of the Franciscans where burned to death by the church under Pope John the 22nd in the 14 century, as where the Waldensians. This was done for the hearsay of "poor use" against the Franciscans. It is my understanding that there where two parts to Francis path, one was personal poverty and the other was "poor use", meaning that if one had a cup it would be a poor cup not a gold one. Many Franciscans caved under the pressure from John the 22nd and those that did not where destroyed in several ways. The truth of this story is hard to find for much of the documentation about St Francis and his life and his order was altered and destroyed by the Church. " en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraticelli " It is interesting that Pope John the 22nd is also the Pope that destroyed the "Knights Templer" , as I understand it.
How can we go to heaven without Vatican accountability?
You won't 😢
The current Vatican will be accountable to God for their misdeeds. There is the Universal, ordinary Magisterium & the union of all the Angels & Saints.
If you are properly baptized, appeal to the Holy Trinity & the Blessed Virgin Mary". Be Holy for God is Holy."
God's got this. 🙏
Where’s his funny sports jacket?
Made from the finest yaks wool from Kazakhstan - I have to say, its late 70s/early 80s Soviet vibe is so strong, it seems at least as likely the tailor intended it ironically - as he did genuinely believing he was crafting a timeless classic. Nevertheless, even with tongue firmly in cheek, I would say it should be unashamedly paired with a black, pale blue or cream polo neck and a very slimline, stylish - period correct vintage Omega or Patek on the wrist (LONG before they became hideous lumpy things posing as diving equipment) - and its silk lined interior concealing nothing more than a gnarly 9ct gold Dunhill lighter with a wick - and 20 Caffe Creme cigarillos - job done!😂❤
@@mrkiplingreallywasanexceed8311sounds like he got taken to the cleaners.
Who are you? One of the 4,000 bishops and the Pope that truly represents the Church of Christ?
Losing O'Malley is no great loss
Bergoglio should step down.
Cardinal O'Malley wants to grab a headline on his way out?
Oh no!!! We do NOT joke about Cardinal O'Malley! You are not in Boston or/and are not a Catholic. Try to pay attention. None of this is funny.
You must like O'Malley. Because if we comments and it's negative but the truth you will delete.
Why bother with this topic when you are not interested in the truth?
Not frescoes John, mosaic murals
Oh John.. you know you need to play nice in the sandbox
I live in Massachusetts. In the Archdiocese of Boston. It is time for the Cardinal to retire.
Are they the new Priests for the new church? Mom Mary, Pray for the Holy Body of your Son!
What an asparin
Francis is over 80. Few will weep if he resigns. No?
I hope Francis lives a vert, very long time
He's not well liked much less loved.
He's done so much damage.
@@ConanTheLibrarian-n5qOf course you do!
I will weep tears of joy.
@@Jimboken1Jesus was not well liked in His time either. Being well-liked is not a measure of holiness.
Please stop the cheesy 70s/ 80s TV "don't go anywhere!" business! Thank you.
Watch your back, John -- both you and Elise. smh
You are hopeful about nothing. What can one man do? In the past external auditors, consultants and bankers tried to improve the system. They all failed.
Did he say anything about all the SS "couples"?
At least someone tries to explain how the church is working without the freakish zealotry
John is the Ru Paul of reporting catholic rag talk! Now go away!!!!!!
Cardinal O'Malley has a beard. My Bishop doesn't want the priests to have beards, and he does not have one.
What's wrong with beards?
@@carolynkimberly4021 Nothing. The bishop here doesn't like them. He might say that to the priests, but i bet he would never say it to a Cardinal.
What has O'Malley really done in Massachusetts to stop the abuse since 2014 ? Law got kicked upstairs to Rome before the law could arrest him.