Did you know that 904 isn't a Rolex kind of stainless steel, but is actually pretty regular and not even that extreme? They pretend they invented it, but it's just a bit more corrosion resistant than 316, all while being less scratch resistant.
@@Houman7??? Just look it up dude. All these steel alloys (904L “oystersteel” included) are chemically defined and the qualities of them are all well known
@@patrickcho791 Rolex has never claimed they invented 904L steel and OysterSteel is just a marketing term nothing else. But just saying it’s a bit more corrosion resistant is total B.S. Differences between 904L and 316L are quite significant especially in long term use and durability.
If JLC had bought Patek, it's also entirely possible that the chain of events to make Patek successful again wouldn't have happened. JLC may even have mishandled or even intentionally driven them into the ground.
The first three where fals tho. Rolex wasn't started in Sunny Britain because that doesn't exist. It's rainy Britain. Fact two the law against dancing didn't start swiss watchmaking, the one against jewelry did. Fact 3 they didn't build a watch around a watch. A watch case is not a watch.
I knew Omega had made a dive watch that had an outer case in the 1930s and Blancpain had made the first contemporary dive watch that all dive watch design is based on, not rolex.
I didn't do.vwey badly. I fail a couple. I did know the one about the perfume bottle, actually i wear my pine car freshener around my neck for the very same reason! Works a treat, and I have taped my casio watch to it.
I don't think attributing the ban on dancing to Calvin is quite true. Geneva was a already city of "moral rigorism" before he arrived. It is correct to say that he eventually became its spiritual leader who embraced its tenets (and visa versa). The protestant reformation led to the development and growth of horology.
Brooke and sons was the jeweller, the submarine was made by a watch maker called tavennes. This watch also predates the Rolex oyster by about 10 years so even that was a copy
I dont want to rain on thy parade, but there's one or two things here I want to clarify. Calvin's directives about pleasure, and the pursuit of, INCREASED the number of Horologists in Switzerland, but did NOT begin watchmaking there. For one thing, Heinlin's watches appeared WELL before Calvin was a famous theologian anyone listened to, in fact his first was made four years before Calvin was born....though the link it tenuous anyway, since Heinlin was GERMAN not Swiss... but more over, we know that clockmaking in Switzerland was around for a century before Calvin. In fact, it is commonly declared that Blancpain is the world's oldest Watchmaker, some will argue they went out of business briefly... which is only kind of true.... so it is Vacheron Constantin which is the world's oldest Watchmaker..... but in actuality, it is NEITHER. It is GALLET which is the world's oldest Watchmaker. They originally began making Clocks, and later Watches, in Valley Joux, in Switzerland, LONG before any business laws existed in the country. In the late 18th century, the Swiss government seeking to regulate, and protect the established industry of Swiss Horology required all clock and watch makers, to register their company, providing, name, location, and date of operational commencement. You basically had small factories by then. Basic machine tools, what we might consider production flow that was reminiscent of production lines.... but Gallet were just kind of Grandfathered in, without needing to do this, because they were still operating under licensing issued centuries earlier. Humbertus Gallet, moved from France to Switzerland and registered as a Horologist in FOURTEEN SIXTY SIX. They have been in business ever since. However, in the early 1830s, the then patriarch of the Gallet family, moved their operations to Geneva, so it was THEN they finally had to go through registration process outlined above. So they seem to have only been in business since 1832.... but THAT is only because they were treated, under Swiss law, as INDIVIDUAL tradesmen, with a WROKSHOP, working as a COTTAGE industry, until that point... because that was how they began, and got writ to operate as way back in 1466. Last year, Gallet celebrated 555 years in business... still a family owned operation. This brings us back to Peter Heilin. Whilst it is TRUE that the OLDEST extant watch we have, is a Heinlin watch from around 1505, most experts have very very clearly stated, examining the watch and its place in horological history, that whilst it IS the oldest watch we have, it is NOT likely the FIRST watch made. There is much misinformation about Heinlin, such as he invented the mainspring. NOT TRUE. The mainspring was invented a century before he was born, though indeed, likely in Germany. Which brings me to another point, it was not JEWELERS but LOCKSMITHS who invented the mainspring. It was NOT jewelers, but LOCKSMITHS who began making the very first clocks. We have some significant evidence, in fact, that the use of Pomades for watches, was opportunism, ease of manufacturing, but inspired by 'Clock Medallions'...these were clocks small enough to be worn like a oversized medallion, on a chain or thong around the neck: Think Medieval Flava Flav of Public Enemy. It is likely these existed before 1500. it is also likely watch making was imported from Germany, to Switzerland, sometime before 1500, just like clockmaking was in the very early 1400s. We know the technology of clock making had been shrunk down significantly by 1430, as we have the Mantle clock of Charles the Bold of Burgundy, a German made, mainspring operated, shelf clock, engraved with a dating of 1430. Heinlin's oldest watch, which actually is NOT a pomade watch, that is the second of his watches still around today... dated later....dates to around 1505. Heinlin's oldest extant watch, is, for its time, rather ornate and intricate, and complex. It is highly unlikely it took 75 years to go from the mantle clocks of 1430, to Heinlin's watch circa 1505. We have some sources, and some artistic renderings, showing what appears to be neck wearable clocks, between these dates. These ARE watches. That is all a watch is at heart, a carriable, or wearable clock. So, it is probably more a case of Watchmaking came to Switzerland from Germany, around the mid 1400s, wearable medallion clocks, which were, in essence, watches showed up between then, and the earliest pocket watches of the early 1500s, and it was Locksmiths, not Jewelers, who really pioneered the technology, since there was much more synergy between materials, tools, and skillsets than with Jewelers. Locksmiths made moving parts, used pinions, bearings, springs, in ways Jewelers did not. Later, in the mid 1500s, thanks to Calvin, Swiss Jewelers found themselves low on business, and then joined in on the well established... and theological interference free (it was actually English Monks which began building the first modern mechanical clocks as we know them), field of horology. Also, the first wrist watch on record, was a 'Wristed Watch' gifted to Elizabeth I in 1575. Evidence suggests that in small numbers, custom made bracelet watches for women existed from then onwards. Breguet finally standardizing the form, and offering a model of Bracelet watch for ANYONE, rather bespoke commission, in late 1700s. Indeed, this WAS because women's clothing since even before the Elizabethan era, were noticeably bereft of pockets. MENS coats, however, HAD pocket before the Waist coat. They were NOT as common, not as seamlessly integrated, they looked rather odd, on vestments which had them, before the 1600s, in fact. At least by our standards, but they existed. Indeed, Heinlin's oldest watch was seemingly designed to slip in one. Wristlets were a bit of a different thing. They were designed for men who wanted to have hands free time telling, like cyclists, or balloonists, or military men, to be able to mount their pocket watches on their wrists. At the same time, whilst women did not have pockets, they DID make small pocketwatches for women, nevertheless. Indeed, the aforementioned Gallet, was notable in this regard, as they had at one point, over one hundred and seventy subcompanies, making watches for different markets, at least ten of which specialized in small pocket watches for women. The assumption being the woman could slip it in a purse, or bag, or hem of her dress, of even slip it in her brassier. Of course this was not the best option, so wristlets initially came about to let women mount such a watch on her wrist as if it a normal 'wristed watch' women wore. They became VERY popular in WWI, before the 'Trench Watch' really began to make its way on to soldiers wrists. I mean... not trying to ruin your video or nothing... just saying is all.
It wasn't so much that the people were stanky, it's that shit and animal entrails covered the public streets. They kept a bottle of perfume near their noses in order to sniff it instead of smelling the roads.
Last fact about the highly accurate watch only I didn’t know… rest all I learned by watching videos at the watch finder channel n the hands aka Andrew 😀
Another fun one. Two points of confusion. I thought the first watch was not in a perfume bottle but for some devices to deal with a virulent form of French herpes/pox that resulted in extreme genital pain and ultimately death. Did I misunderstand the other video from Mr. Andrew regarding the murderous origins of the Apple Watch? Second, why is the Omega NTTD Seamaster on the cover image for this video? Not complaining. Glad that it is. It's a great watch. Just asking.
No I got the Seiko dive to the bottom of the mariana trench wrong I thought it was the 5 gill shark, but what do I know, those seiko guys always get it done.😂😂😂
Seiko has a factory underground of the Marina Trench for their Seiko 5. Because 1 of 5 standards is the watch can be produced (not just worn) with 12000m water resistant.
Greetings from St George Utah 👋I have doubts about %75 being true %25 of being false the last question a got me think 🤔 sweet questions definitely second part, let's keep it going guy's..until next time..
I don't know if this is a good or a bad thing, but I got all of the answers right, and I think it's because I spend an inordinate amount of time watching TWF videos. 🤨 Btw, women's watches traditionally were inconveniently small because it was considered to be indecorous for women to be concerned about such manly things as time.
Well, first, there were apparently all of them facts. None of them was 'not a fact' or "false". And second, I already knew at least one of those facts so the title sucks!
Y'all need to give us a second to form our own opinion, but I'll do this anyways... We can't comment and pause it's impossible. 01. True ✔️ 02. False 🚫 03. True ✔️ 04. True ✔️ 05. True (don't eat things that glow) ✔️ 06. True ✔️ 07. True ✔️ 08. True (because the pocket watch) ✔️ 09. True ✔️ 10. False 🚫 8/10 I should have known they were all true...
Number 1. Poor form, old chap. Starting with a trick question of such deviousness. '"Sunny" England' indeed!?! Harrrummpppphhhhh. Later: the half way mark. All true so far. And so the mind games begin.... Luckily Tom didn't notice.
2:22 what's that imperfection on the rolex crown
Did you know that 904 isn't a Rolex kind of stainless steel, but is actually pretty regular and not even that extreme? They pretend they invented it, but it's just a bit more corrosion resistant than 316, all while being less scratch resistant.
Source: dude trust me
@@Houman7??? Just look it up dude. All these steel alloys (904L “oystersteel” included) are chemically defined and the qualities of them are all well known
Yes. Yes I did.
@@patrickcho791 Rolex has never claimed they invented 904L steel and OysterSteel is just a marketing term nothing else. But just saying it’s a bit more corrosion resistant is total B.S. Differences between 904L and 316L are quite significant especially in long term use and durability.
Yes
If Tom was watching Talking Hands like the rest of us. He would have automatically known about the purfume bottle 🤣👏🏾👏🏾
If JLC had bought Patek, it's also entirely possible that the chain of events to make Patek successful again wouldn't have happened. JLC may even have mishandled or even intentionally driven them into the ground.
I knew pretty much all of these things from watching Watchfinder, AMW, Teddy Baldisarre, and Urban Gentry
its bulbasaur, not baldissare
Andrew is so honest that he can never lie, that's why all the facts were true.
The first three where fals tho.
Rolex wasn't started in Sunny Britain because that doesn't exist. It's rainy Britain.
Fact two the law against dancing didn't start swiss watchmaking, the one against jewelry did.
Fact 3 they didn't build a watch around a watch. A watch case is not a watch.
@@juckyvortex XD
The biggest takeaway fact from this is "History be crazy".
I knew Omega had made a dive watch that had an outer case in the 1930s and Blancpain had made the first contemporary dive watch that all dive watch design is based on, not rolex.
Nooooo...all watches copied rolex according to fanboys! 😆
The rotating and locking bezel was done on Weems -pattern pilots watches 20 years before Blancpain. Look up a Weems Longines.
@@dimman77 "impossible! Rolex invented the rotating bezel!" ... fanboys
@@Mega-zi7ys but didn't you know? Rolex invented time itself,
@@drfathertime hahahah 😆 forgot that one! Good one!
I love all the facts and watchmaking history you guys share; please make more videos on history
Man, the Patek at 10:00 is something else! 😍
Sod the fun.. what do you reckon on Rolex entering the pre owned market is what I’d like to know…?
I don't usually care for Panerai but the one at the 7:00 mark is Gorgeous!
"And now JLC don't own one of the biggest and most famous watch companies in the world"......well, technically they do, it's called JLC :S
Gotta say i really enjoyed that one keep em coming!👍
Fun video Andrew and Tom, and I actually learned something!
Loved it! Awesome content.
Well done. Thanks for the laugh and all the knowledge.
I didn't do.vwey badly. I fail a couple. I did know the one about the perfume bottle, actually i wear my pine car freshener around my neck for the very same reason! Works a treat, and I have taped my casio watch to it.
The story of the Radium girls is very tragic 😔
'Radium Girls'...I highly suggest. They were heroes in clock and watchmaking history and they sacrificed their lives to be so.
”Hans Wilsdorf founded Tudor watch company in 1926” true or false?
I don't think attributing the ban on dancing to Calvin is quite true. Geneva was a already city of "moral rigorism" before he arrived. It is correct to say that he eventually became its spiritual leader who embraced its tenets (and visa versa). The protestant reformation led to the development and growth of horology.
Great video, chaps; some real gems in there (to bore the pants off my friends of a non-horological persuasion. Which is most of them)
I got most didn’t know the Submariner one though. Who was the first to make the keyless workings ?
Jaeger LeCoultre.
Wasn’t PP?
It’s broadly correct apart from Seiko, which I imagine was done to provoke a reaction. I wish JLC was higher…
Brooke and sons was the jeweller, the submarine was made by a watch maker called tavennes. This watch also predates the Rolex oyster by about 10 years so even that was a copy
Few know this
@@diavalus most drink the Kool aid
I dont want to rain on thy parade, but there's one or two things here I want to clarify.
Calvin's directives about pleasure, and the pursuit of, INCREASED the number of Horologists in Switzerland, but did NOT begin watchmaking there. For one thing, Heinlin's watches appeared WELL before Calvin was a famous theologian anyone listened to, in fact his first was made four years before Calvin was born....though the link it tenuous anyway, since Heinlin was GERMAN not Swiss... but more over, we know that clockmaking in Switzerland was around for a century before Calvin.
In fact, it is commonly declared that Blancpain is the world's oldest Watchmaker, some will argue they went out of business briefly... which is only kind of true.... so it is Vacheron Constantin which is the world's oldest Watchmaker..... but in actuality, it is NEITHER. It is GALLET which is the world's oldest Watchmaker. They originally began making Clocks, and later Watches, in Valley Joux, in Switzerland, LONG before any business laws existed in the country. In the late 18th century, the Swiss government seeking to regulate, and protect the established industry of Swiss Horology required all clock and watch makers, to register their company, providing, name, location, and date of operational commencement. You basically had small factories by then. Basic machine tools, what we might consider production flow that was reminiscent of production lines.... but Gallet were just kind of Grandfathered in, without needing to do this, because they were still operating under licensing issued centuries earlier. Humbertus Gallet, moved from France to Switzerland and registered as a Horologist in FOURTEEN SIXTY SIX. They have been in business ever since. However, in the early 1830s, the then patriarch of the Gallet family, moved their operations to Geneva, so it was THEN they finally had to go through registration process outlined above. So they seem to have only been in business since 1832.... but THAT is only because they were treated, under Swiss law, as INDIVIDUAL tradesmen, with a WROKSHOP, working as a COTTAGE industry, until that point... because that was how they began, and got writ to operate as way back in 1466. Last year, Gallet celebrated 555 years in business... still a family owned operation.
This brings us back to Peter Heilin. Whilst it is TRUE that the OLDEST extant watch we have, is a Heinlin watch from around 1505, most experts have very very clearly stated, examining the watch and its place in horological history, that whilst it IS the oldest watch we have, it is NOT likely the FIRST watch made. There is much misinformation about Heinlin, such as he invented the mainspring. NOT TRUE. The mainspring was invented a century before he was born, though indeed, likely in Germany. Which brings me to another point, it was not JEWELERS but LOCKSMITHS who invented the mainspring. It was NOT jewelers, but LOCKSMITHS who began making the very first clocks. We have some significant evidence, in fact, that the use of Pomades for watches, was opportunism, ease of manufacturing, but inspired by 'Clock Medallions'...these were clocks small enough to be worn like a oversized medallion, on a chain or thong around the neck: Think Medieval Flava Flav of Public Enemy. It is likely these existed before 1500. it is also likely watch making was imported from Germany, to Switzerland, sometime before 1500, just like clockmaking was in the very early 1400s.
We know the technology of clock making had been shrunk down significantly by 1430, as we have the Mantle clock of Charles the Bold of Burgundy, a German made, mainspring operated, shelf clock, engraved with a dating of 1430. Heinlin's oldest watch, which actually is NOT a pomade watch, that is the second of his watches still around today... dated later....dates to around 1505. Heinlin's oldest extant watch, is, for its time, rather ornate and intricate, and complex. It is highly unlikely it took 75 years to go from the mantle clocks of 1430, to Heinlin's watch circa 1505. We have some sources, and some artistic renderings, showing what appears to be neck wearable clocks, between these dates. These ARE watches. That is all a watch is at heart, a carriable, or wearable clock.
So, it is probably more a case of Watchmaking came to Switzerland from Germany, around the mid 1400s, wearable medallion clocks, which were, in essence, watches showed up between then, and the earliest pocket watches of the early 1500s, and it was Locksmiths, not Jewelers, who really pioneered the technology, since there was much more synergy between materials, tools, and skillsets than with Jewelers. Locksmiths made moving parts, used pinions, bearings, springs, in ways Jewelers did not. Later, in the mid 1500s, thanks to Calvin, Swiss Jewelers found themselves low on business, and then joined in on the well established... and theological interference free (it was actually English Monks which began building the first modern mechanical clocks as we know them), field of horology.
Also, the first wrist watch on record, was a 'Wristed Watch' gifted to Elizabeth I in 1575. Evidence suggests that in small numbers, custom made bracelet watches for women existed from then onwards. Breguet finally standardizing the form, and offering a model of Bracelet watch for ANYONE, rather bespoke commission, in late 1700s. Indeed, this WAS because women's clothing since even before the Elizabethan era, were noticeably bereft of pockets. MENS coats, however, HAD pocket before the Waist coat. They were NOT as common, not as seamlessly integrated, they looked rather odd, on vestments which had them, before the 1600s, in fact. At least by our standards, but they existed. Indeed, Heinlin's oldest watch was seemingly designed to slip in one.
Wristlets were a bit of a different thing. They were designed for men who wanted to have hands free time telling, like cyclists, or balloonists, or military men, to be able to mount their pocket watches on their wrists. At the same time, whilst women did not have pockets, they DID make small pocketwatches for women, nevertheless. Indeed, the aforementioned Gallet, was notable in this regard, as they had at one point, over one hundred and seventy subcompanies, making watches for different markets, at least ten of which specialized in small pocket watches for women. The assumption being the woman could slip it in a purse, or bag, or hem of her dress, of even slip it in her brassier. Of course this was not the best option, so wristlets initially came about to let women mount such a watch on her wrist as if it a normal 'wristed watch' women wore. They became VERY popular in WWI, before the 'Trench Watch' really began to make its way on to soldiers wrists.
I mean... not trying to ruin your video or nothing... just saying is all.
“Sunny England” really. And a brand we all love. Rolex? The same brand which treats most watch lovers like shit
That Panerai in the video 😳😳😲👍🏾👍🏾
as for the waterproof is sort of ... true but they knew if it was waterproof it would be space proof.
Can't get enough about watches, I'm watch mad!
What a fkn LOSER!!
JK lol Me too
When I saw the mic in the beginning I thought I was going to get rickrolled
I see dust on the Rolex crown 😢 the lefty Unbelievable for a Rolex
Please don't looking clickbait titles... your channel it's already too good for that...
Thought I was clever as I knew all these facts, then I realised I'd already watched this video. DOH!
It wasn't so much that the people were stanky, it's that shit and animal entrails covered the public streets. They kept a bottle of perfume near their noses in order to sniff it instead of smelling the roads.
The title of the video kinda gives the game away,,but thouroughly enjoyable lads.
No.1 yes, London
Last fact about the highly accurate watch only I didn’t know… rest all I learned by watching videos at the watch finder channel n the hands aka Andrew 😀
No.10 I'd say yes.
The use of scent holders was not so much because of stinky people, but because toilet waste was thrown out the windows into the streets.
Another fun one. Two points of confusion. I thought the first watch was not in a perfume bottle but for some devices to deal with a virulent form of French herpes/pox that resulted in extreme genital pain and ultimately death. Did I misunderstand the other video from Mr. Andrew regarding the murderous origins of the Apple Watch? Second, why is the Omega NTTD Seamaster on the cover image for this video? Not complaining. Glad that it is. It's a great watch. Just asking.
Pomades
if its 60% swiss its SWISS MADE :-(
So #2 is false right? It wasn't specifically because they banned dancing
No I got the Seiko dive to the bottom of the mariana trench wrong I thought it was the 5 gill shark, but what do I know, those seiko guys always get it done.😂😂😂
Seiko has a factory underground of the Marina Trench for their Seiko 5. Because 1 of 5 standards is the watch can be produced (not just worn) with 12000m water resistant.
No.4 True
These titles and thumbnails are definitely not how I remember this channel, that's for sure.
Yo , lost count
Greetings from St George Utah 👋I have doubts about %75 being true %25 of being false the last question a got me think 🤔 sweet questions definitely second part, let's keep it going guy's..until next time..
True, true, false, true, true, true, true, true, true, true. 9/10 not to shabby, I guess. Got the 3rd one wrong.
I don't know if this is a good or a bad thing, but I got all of the answers right, and I think it's because I spend an inordinate amount of time watching TWF videos. 🤨 Btw, women's watches traditionally were inconveniently small because it was considered to be indecorous for women to be concerned about such manly things as time.
True
9/10
1 Rolex England true (right)
2 swiss band?? ?no?
But rol,ex sucks with only 40hrs of reserve power. Cripes it's 2020s not 1950.
70%, not bad lol
True or false?
Watchfinder has morphed into the Clockbait channel….
No.7 True 😞Got another wrong
#200👍😤no such thing as water or bullet "proof"!! Resistance sure...
1 is false. England isn't sunny.
Na Na Na Na Hey hey goodbye!
Well, first, there were apparently all of them facts. None of them was 'not a fact' or "false". And second, I already knew at least one of those facts so the title sucks!
Rolex makes us Fools , rolex advertise watches that cant be bought in AD retailers
Y'all need to give us a second to form our own opinion, but I'll do this anyways... We can't comment and pause it's impossible.
01. True ✔️
02. False 🚫
03. True ✔️
04. True ✔️
05. True (don't eat things that glow) ✔️
06. True ✔️
07. True ✔️
08. True (because the pocket watch) ✔️
09. True ✔️
10. False 🚫
8/10 I should have known they were all true...
No.9 False Damn, another wrong 😞
@watchfinderandco2 Hi. Thank you. I replied :-)
Did you know that Rolex is Overrated?
And the Daytona is a Copy of the Omega Speedmaster? Now you know.....
And Sub is a Blancpain copy too...
But flat earther Rolex fanboys cannot accept this.
😆
Time is a dead god Cronus 🌹🌑👍 rest in the good news 💐 Okay bye
No.2. No
No.3 False
Yo 3rd!
Thank the gods u dont make shorts at nausieum
*Ad nauseam.
Yo 2nd !!
Sounds like you two are having too much pleasure. You need to be banned😉😂
yo third
3rd
Yo first?
This channel is becoming somewhat repetitive
Number 1. Poor form, old chap. Starting with a trick question of such deviousness. '"Sunny" England' indeed!?! Harrrummpppphhhhh.
Later: the half way mark. All true so far. And so the mind games begin.... Luckily Tom didn't notice.
No.5 True
No.6 True
No.8 True