There's a lot of Palworld designs that seem unique. You can make a comparison for every palworld because there are 1000+ pokemon designs out there. Do we talk about other games with anime looking monsters copying pokemon? What about anime that have monsters based off of animals? With so much design out there, its getting harder to be original.
@@TheTheisson SOME is the key word. Some of them are basically copies. Others AREN'T. Just because some of them are doesn't invalidate the ones that aren't.
The discourse on originality is in every field of creativity. When you consume enough media and maybe even try being on the creating side and start learning about it, you begin to shift the perspective of "this product X is just a copy of Y", toward thinking in tropes, elements of design, patterns, styles etc. The difference between a good product and a masterpiece is essentially if it made a difference, if it is memorable for the times to come, if it created a new genre etc. What i like more about all this, is that the people who made this game, were just some dudes messing around without really knowing what they were doing. They just focused of making something fun in their way. Pokemon has the strength of one of the most lucrative franchises of all time, and yet some nobodies came out and shown everybody that you can indeed have more, if you really wish so.
Based on what I understand of the research on the scientific nature of creativity, it really is a function of memory. Our experiences shape our brain to make connections in certain ways so when we see examples either in the future or from our memory we can complete the image. I think all creativity involves copying to an extent (I personally don’t really care, but since compensation is important in our economy it sucks to have your work plagiarized and we don’t exactly cite our sources for fine arts or cuisine). The best art takes what worked from the past and merges those elements to create a product that is in some way new. The combination is the new part: the individual parts don’t have to be spawned out of thin air for the first time. I really don’t care if this musical lick or chord progression has been used before, but if the combination is an experience I can’t get anywhere else.
@@sugarqbs "Plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery". We're creature learning by experience and repetition, and we're wired to seek patterns, even to a fault: so of course we copy and repeat. Obviously, when the copy is very similiar to the original, it's honest to cite and refer to it. If you don't want to, then at least give it a personal twist to the point that your effort into making it your version is enough to deserve its own identity.
yeah- Like there's some OBVIOUS copied designs, but they are a vast minority. People went into the game with the "Pokémon with guns" mindset so many obviously gravitated to immediately search for any minor detail that may or may not resemble a Pókemon. I have seen some people genuinely think Grizzbolt looks like Pikachu and that's honestly the stupidest shit ever
well... pokemon have been around for long and have been complacent and lazy... just look at their latest releases... cant even optimize day 1... on a platform theyve been on for so long... this should be a wake up call... funny if ever pokemon put survival elements then the discourse will just be a cycle... and ooff please upgrade the graphics pokemon dont stay in the 90s... time to upgrade
Honestly, his fakemon is just bad. Give us designs like Chillet or Depresso. Deviating too much from reality like his faux ballerina shoe ribbon -mon is just bad, plus, it'll be definitely be harder to animate it in 3D.
Just to give an update to this video. Palworld has sold over 8 million copies in it's first week on steam alone. And on steam has an all time peak of 2,101,867 players, which puts at Steams number 2 game of all time right behind Pub G.
Now 12 million copies plus 7 million players on xbox gamepass. It outsold nearly every single gameboy, ds, and 3ds pokemon game. Out did pla and bdsp. And is coming for the scarlet and violet's head. In just under 2 weeks alone. Any pokemon fanboy saying that it'll die out after the hype is just coping. Palworld is here to stay, and pokemon may finally have the rival it's been needing for years.
@@treek10kI love palworld, but it might not be a true competitor, it certainly could be, but that depends on if the devs decide to make another palworld game after they finish/stop developing this one. The developing could simply decide to not make another one. But yes palworld could definitely turn into an established ip.
While I mostly agree with most of the stuff he said, I don't think Palworld copied Pokemon designs wholesale. There are plenty of unique Palworld creatures, but it's just overlooked due to the whole "Pokemon with guns" narrative. Hell, Menasting is a really unique design as far as scorpion creatures go, but some deranged pokefan will still find a way to compare to Pokemon's Skorupi. You can have the most unique creature designs, but once you add a certain "cuteness"-factor to it, and maybe even some pastel colorways, it will always be compared to Pokemon. ALWAYS. And fuck yeah I'd be down for some Palworld merch, mofos. Gimme that Lovander figurine to jar.
In Game Design (I'm a Game Design Student) we often use other games or movies as pillars for our games for examples: A platformer games with the physics of Mario with the roguelike aspect of Deadcells but with the atmosphere of Dungeon and dragons. It's common in the industry and most of the time the more you design the more you will distance yourself from it's original pillars.
Palworld is good because its a combination of many things people love that "other companies" have refused to do right because of money, apathy, or exec overreach, etc. It's a fun cute monster catching game, it's a good survival ark-style game, its a good base builder, it has fun open world exploration (like Elden Ring in many ways tbh). And its really cheap so its extremely competitive with inflation and many people's shrinking disposable income. But should Pokemon be worried? No. Game Freak will make the same trash and still get 10mil copies sold. They have nothing to worry about. But at least those of us who are tired of it have Palworld now.
Its an interesting case because while Palworld does have better reception towards consumers vs Pokemon, its not Palworld that Pokemon has to worry about. The thing that Pokemon truly has to worry about are themselves. Pokemon's most recent game, Scarlet and Violet, sold considerably less than the other games in the franchise like Red and Blue, and even Sword and Shield. It also only barely sold more than Gold and Silver. This is an issue because while Pokemon is one of the highest grosses media entertainment and its latest product isn't selling as well comparatively to its previous entries, that tells them and us consumers that some thing is wrong, especially for it to be on the Switch. There has been tons of games that have released and re-released on the Switch and they sold twice or three time or 4 times better than any other entry in that specific franchise. (Example Mario Kart Wii sold 37 million, while Mario Kart 8 sold 65 million almost twice as much).
You literally have NO IDEA what you are talking about. You do realize the sword shield arceus scarlett violet gap between all 4 games was the shortest in all of Pokemon history, Right?
@@MrStGeorgeIllawarra Sw/Sh, Arceus, and S&V released in November 2019, January 2022, and November 2022.All in the span of 3 years under the public knowledge that Gamefreak has two teams that works on there games and with a vast amount of resources and profits to improve their games. Three of the games that are within the "Golden Age" of Pokemon consist of Platinum, HG/SS, and B/W. All of which on a yearly consecutive matter: September 2008, September 2009, and September 2010. Which also matches the same amount of time they made these games as they did with the Switch games even though back in between 2008-2010 they had less resources/ profits. It seems like its the shortest due to global releases of which they chose to release it on those days specifically instead of delaying but when you look at the Japanese releases they both fit in the span of 3 years. The Golden Age also consist of B2/W2 but the reason why I didn't include it was because after B/W they took a break, the thing that fans of Pokemon has asked Gamefreak to do for years and Gamefreak themselves has reciprocated that notion with a lack of release of 2024.
It's a completely different genre than Pokemon which really does itself well. I'm 27, have had a hard time caring about Pokemon ever since it went 3D on the DS. Palworld is fresh & fun & not ugly, compared to Pokemon which hasn't improved since the 2000's. If Palworld can go the Valheim route I think it could see longevity. But honestly it needs to release content quicker than Valheim does
I was shocked by the dark souls style boss fights, one mistake and you're dead it's a fantastic challenge. I cheese TF out of these bosses for the win and I'm not ashamed because I've gotten countless cheesy deaths. Palworld rules it takes inspiration from a dozen great games and introduces enough original concepts that I'm going to be a fan of this game even if it drops off
I think there is some truth to that. I did hear in an interview one of the pokemon designers was asked to keep designs simple to facilitate animation and make merch. A lot of the digimon design just go too hard lol @@OpheliaTerat
Thanks for the nice structured discussion on Palworld prof! I like how you pointed out the issues and concerns and what you think makes it popular so much. Both the company and the game still have a chance to shape up for later but we'll see if/when that happens. Also, love your drawings of fat bee and ghost pepper💕 And stay away from my pikachu. 😂Thanks for the video prof! Take care! ❤️
Crazy people think Nintendo is going to sue Palworld. As if they wouldn't have done that years ago when they announced development. Nintendo has been able to strike down stuff in matter of days. And competition is always good, though I doubt Palworld will stay relevant more than a year or two unless they continue development.
You made one really important point that I haven't seen very many people talk about much at all so far. Palworld absolutely IS being harmed by their bizarre choice to absolutely steal many key design elements from Pokemon. They did NOT need to do this, they have talented artists, they created several very interesting pals. I do believe this choice, contrary to lando's statement, did actually contribute to the initial boost in sales and interest, but they really didn't need that and it kind of broke my heart a bit to see more and more of the designs as I progressed further in. "POKEMON WITH GUNS" alone, something essentially every one has used in a thumbnail so far is at the very least an attention grabbing statement. It's not the truth at all of course but it's obviously working. I've got a lot of feelings about the video and palworld otherwise but this isn't really the place for that for the most part. Sugimori, Turner, and the rest of the pokemon design team have continued to make many great designs over the years. There are many pokemon I don't actually care for but I can still appreciate the design by itself. Even the Pika-clones, the generally most shit on pokemon designs, have, since Gen 4 at least, contained a lot of actual identity and clarity. Clearly using the mascot as a very base inspiration, but also very much being their own "living" thing. I'm honestly so tired of seeing how casually people are shitting on these artists, using the sledgehammer of "if I don't like a thing it's actually objectively bad" over and over again. People everywhere consistently treat the creators of their enjoyment like complete shit and feel that's a totally fair way to live. Pocket Pair wanted to make a fun game, and they did. I've enjoyed my last week in the game and I expect I'll still be playing it for most of this next week. They made a lot of very unfortunate mistakes and I hope they learn from them going forward. Absolutely hope people drop this "just a couple of guys goofing off" rhetoric as their own actual words, not a shitty discord spread "translation", contradicts that entirely. To end this wall of text no one has any reason to read: Primarina has an amazing design actually. I don't like the pokemon personally, that's really not important in this case. But it is a good design, it absolutely conveys their intent clearly.
Which ones look similar to pokemon? Besides there being a sheep, squirrel or even feminine serpant as those are concepts and if you cant use similar concepts to pokemon who has 1000 pokemon designs than how do you make pokemon like creatures? Because that's what we like is that it's a new game told through the guise of pokemons art style, which is due to the artstyle obviously, similarly to how anime writers copy other anime art styles to tell their own stories to the people who like the art style and feel of those animes. Because the few ones I can see being a rip is like the cinderace one and I legit cant think of any others and if it's simply one design than that honestly could be just a coincidence since it's over a 100 designs vs 1000. And sorry im gonna end up writing a wall of text like you 😂 but one of the lead art designers for the game is a woman who grew up loving pokemon and drew her own fakemon for years, so i genuinely think many of the designs in the game have soul and love behind them, much more than pokemon, which Is a souless company at this point, so I'm sure she took many inspirations from pokemon over the years but they're her own works, and I would assume many of the other ones have love put in by her and the other art designers. Not to mention pokemon stole its designs from dragon quest which is literally the same situation bascially and we all love pokemon so dont just write them off so quickly.
hindsight is always 20/20. They did not know the game was gonna be profitable, let alone be a massive hit. They didn't anticipate the word of mouth would be this positive. They borrowed designs from Pokemon hoping more people will try the game simply because it's Pokemon on PC. That's all there is to it. And creating original monsters take more time and budget.
Not as strong of an argument as the people parroting it seem to think, though. Pokemon has its own aesthetic such that I think rather few ppl would have trouble telling if a creature is from DQ or Pokemon. But Palworld very obviously takes the design language of Pokemon specifically to the point where some pals look like something right out of Pokemon. All that said, I'm not a Pokemon whiteknight or whatever. The main series games have been unsatisfactory for a long time and need to improve. I'm just saying the "but Pokemon did it to Dragon Quest!" argument doesn't hit that hard really.
DQ has a very complex artistic style and a more "monster" aproach with then, while pokemon is being a more simple drawing monsters for everyone. Stop making this comparison, if you don't know how to differentiate inspiration and copy, why bother.
@@matthewlynn6108 ???? So you think someone can steal the LITERAL design concept but as long its in a different art-style it doesn't constitute as copying? If you make a design and I go and copy your design document and what you did I could never replicate your design 1:1 and therefore it would be in my "distinct style". There was no "copying" either way, Palworld uses the Pokemon aesthetic which they were only able to arrive at by taking designs from Dragon Quest that has propagated for decades at this point and been used ad nauseam by Digimon, Yo-KAI Watch, Shin Megami Tensei, etc. etc. for the last 30+ years to the point where every "monster-catching" game has to have their own mascot/Pikachu. In Palworld its LITERALLY only for the sake of Parody, all of the designs being similar to Pokemon only works as a concept because Pokemon exist in the first place and its paying homage to that fact and playing off of it. (giving Pokemon guns, having them work in a factory, hell i still call em pokemon when i play) That is to say Palworld isn't stealing from Pokemon and trying to act like it doesn't exist or compete with it like Yo-KAI watch/Digimon its a nod to Pokemon if anything.
I have a feeling Palworld isn't gonna fall off like you said in this video... it looks like it in creative design, but.. it beat counter strike, almost beats pubg.. these are games that are always played on steam, the #1 platform that is a bit too expensive to publish, but it's where the "PC master race" people go to and stuff.. I think it's a big deal it immediately got up there surpassing elden ring and baldurs gate, that were constantly spoken of last years. Though I think they should update the looks of some of them like Creamy or whatever eventually
I think it's depends on the dev team that wants to make those "Pals" as a brand like "Pokémon", which is not impossible, but they may need to shake the label "Pokémon with a gun" out from their game first.
Ghost pepper is goated. Could mix the 2 designs together and it hides on the pepper as a genie when it is not haunting someone or sleeping and gets out and turns the pepper into a scyth for combat
One thing I hope for palworld is that with the recent success they can go through and make more original pal designs or even redesign some of them. Cause the game was originally on a budget of 100,000 dollars over 3 years so I imagine they copied some of the designs to save on artist costs.
There's a lot of pals to go through. Since you can have two different type of pals breed with each other and create a whole new type there's many more for you to unlock then just what you'll see within the land
Saying a game is going to fall off thats only in beta testing just because you think its not 100% original is crazy....idk where you guys live but you would be hard pressed to find any original games in 2024 and beyond and i dont think there have been any original games in the last 10 years maybe. Also palworld is nothing like pokemon besides the monster catching aspect and there's many monster catching/taming games out there, and other than some monsters looking like a pokemon "clone" the two games dont compare.
To answer both question in video title, A) Because Palworld is a mishmash of good ideas all slapped together into a very fun formula. Granted it is still in early access so some things could change prior to the full release but as it is rn it's just fun. B) No, Pokemon is legitimately too big to fail and has way too large a crazy fandom backing it up. I love Pokemon myself and do still enjoy playing the games but I also can recognize that it's been too stagnant and dull for too long now. Legends Arceus was a step in the right direction, only for said direction to be thrown back by Scarlet Violet. Also to ask another question, is Palworld's success beneficial for the Monster Taming genre as a whole? I think yes personally. If more people are actually willing to go out and spend their money on other games within the genre then I think we could finally have some really good competition within the genre as opposed to Pokemon having such a strong hold on it. Coromon, Nexomon, Cassette Beasts, Shin Megami Tensei, there's plenty of games out there that are just as good and even more fun than anything Pokemon has made in the past few years, yet most people just write them off as "clones" or "Pokemon copies" which is very disheartening. Now I will be honest Palworld isn't exactly 100% a game within the genre, it has some Monster Taming elements but ultimately shares more with games like Ark or Minecraft, yet still people continue to compare it to Pokemon because of the monster designs. If y'all wanna look forward to a game like Palworld that will have it's own unique style I'd look forward to Nexomon 3. It's still in development but it's a step-up in the franchise being Nexomon's first venture into 3D and going in an open-world direction. And hell I'll still highly recommend all the games I mentioned prior. They are very fun and great games to check out for those feeling burnt out on Pokemon's nonsense.
The only Pokémon game that even came close to finally being what we wanted was Legends Arceus, but even that fell short in many categories. I still had a blast playing it, though, compared to the mainline games.
17:22 That was the problem: they had no money lol. The lead designer apparently was a fresh graduate that was rejected by multiple companies INCLUDING PocketPair priorly. She also seemed to have making Fakemons as her only past major experience so it makes sense many of the Pals have that "Pokemon" feel
I haven't played a modern pokemon game since X/Y. I don't care if some pals look like pokemon. Even if the designers had never seen a pokemon in their lives, there would still inevitably be some similarities; there's only so many ways to design a fiery fox monster. To me, palworld has its own identity. I'm enjoying it, and I can't wait to see where it goes in the next few years.
It's not impossible to create thousands of different monsters based on one thing, don't you believe me? Just look at the fakemon that were made with the paradox forms of the beasts, yeah, everyone knew that these would end up being specific dinosaurs, and despite being relatively similar to what the officials showed, they have their differences because it's not easy to end having the same idea 100%
I'm super-intrigued. I've been trying to hype myself up to play something new this year but I wasn't keen on any of the recent releases. But this looks like a game I could sink time into in small chunks. Which is perfect. Thanks for the info. And Thankyou for defending the right of everyone (adults included) to enjoy these type of games.
lowkey brawlerina is actually a cool concept like a ribbon pokemon that becomes more a full humanoid shape by manipulating its ribbons in the shape of a dancer with the excess ribbon flowing but can wrap into fist when fighting
Palworld already make a name for themselves after selling 9 million copies in just 9 days , with an in game peak of 2.1 million players daily , the game still is on early access , it is cheap below $30 and once the PVP futures are released the game will be insane , Palworld is not something temporary, it is something that has a long journey if its developers keep up the pace, at the moment they are about to launch a card game to compete with the Pokémon card game . Competition is good and necessary because it forces the rival to innovate and Gamefreak definitely needs to innovate
They don't want to be pokemon competition, they don't want to start an entire new franchise, they wanted to simply make a game that would sell well The designs (and art style) being so simillar to pokemon gave them huge popularity boost at the beginning, without it we would be probably talking now about thousands/tens of thousands of concurrent players instead of milions
Sorry, but "Pokémon with guns" is a solid opening pitch. Monster Rancher and Digimon look nothing like Pokémon designs, and it's never done them any favors, despite often having more in depth gameplay than any version of Pokémon. Meanwhile every successful monster collector game invokes Pokemon in its design ethos. Temtem, Coromon, and Nexomon all have what are effectively fakemon.
I agree with most of all of this. This game is so fun. I played it, soon as it released, before it was even super huge. I love creation games, Pokémon and medieval weaponry, type stuff and guns. So, this game is damn near perfect for me
I disagree that it’ll fall off. A lot of adults like me have been itching for Pokémon that doesn’t suck. I haven’t played Pokémon since white and black, which means to me, these are basically new Pokémon. I haven’t kept up with anything beyond gen 3, which means to me, these may as well be Pokémon. Brand loyalty means nothing to me in a franchise that continually adds new Pokémon and characters anyway, to me, they might as well be Pokémon
I stopped playing pokemon around sapphire/crystal so as a returning player to the world of catching creatures it has me hooked. I think this game will be able to maintain its successful run with older millennials like myself who haven't played Pokemon in a long time but always has that itch ;)
I would have liked it if it was like pokemon dark souls monster hunter, like instead of guns, why not huge swords and magic? imagine a dark mature pokemon world where you tame all these horrifying mythical creatures
Digimon was never even trying in the first place, they're more concerned with being their own thing and focussing on the fans they already have. Even at the height of its popularity in the early 2000's, when people were trying to push this rivalry they openly stated they'd rather have people that grew out of Pokémon than try to cater to the same audience. There is also the fact that a lot of new and returning fans don't even understand how the series is structured due to a hiatus of seven years in the west and straight up poor handling of the franchise by Bandai USA who insisted in renaming every single new release as if it was part of the Digimon World series. Both fans and developers had to fight to bring the franchise back to being a series released worldwide and I much prefer that they stay true to themselves rather than chasing trends. That doesn't mean they're not trying to step up their game, though. They clear plan of where they wanted to go after Cyber Sleuth and Next Order, but they had a string of unforeseen circunstances since 2018 which got in the way of their schedule for game development and they're just recovering from it now.
Okay but the ghost/pepper fakemon looks incredible though, I love that lil' guy. Put him in Palworld ASAP! Also like, there's one genre of person into Palworld too. People who fell off of Pokemon ages ago, and don't really know the more recent ones that have similar designs in Palworld, and they feel fresh? Like so many of these are like, "These look pokemon-like" but I don't remember their original ones, if I ever saw them at all.
I honestly think this just goes to show how much pokémon game freak and whoever else is responsible for that IP. Drop the ball when it comes to developing the franchise like I know they were never going to do guns and slavery stuff but they definitely could have made it an actual open world game instead of whatever they called themselves doing for the switch. Like pokémon should be way further and they should have experimented more with open world. And having pokémon be more than just them fighting and seeing them interact in the actual world. But they played it super safe and now they let someone else make the game they could have made years ago.
The problem is that sales numbers are still insanely high even if they play it safe. Sacrlet/Violet sales like 23M up to Sep'23. Another thing is Arceus that many people acclaimed that this is the right direction of future Pokémon can sold only 14M, less than Scarlet/Violet like 9M. Will TPC stepping out of their zone? Let's see the numbers of next game.
Nah, Palworld wouldn't have reached it's current popularity anyway if they went for more original designs. They'd be doing numbers closer to their previous open-world builder game Craftopia or other Pokemon inspired games like TemTem or Casette Beasts.
The fairy-fighting one just looked like some two-armed pokemon that already exists, but with a ballerina shoe, or just literally Hangyu from Palworld but with a shoe
I played Palworld for a few hours. I was chiopping trees, mining stone and farming crops. All that made me want to do is play Farming games lol. So I am playing Coral Island instead.
I think this was a nice view from an artist but also a game enjoyer, it's not just opinions but also your experiences, hopes and disappointments. Fair at it's finest. I'm not a gamer, I mostly warch streamers, but can't say I'll feel comfortable watching a stream of tgis game anymore, it's just too much at this point...
I feel like people forget about Pokemon Legends Arceus, I personally don't really care about a more "mature" approach or theme, but it took the approach where you could "fight" Pokemon yourself while running around in an overworld while still maintaining turn-based RPG aspects, I loved that so much and then they just threw it all away with Scarlett/Violet :( Palworld combined that with survival aspects from Rust or ARK, and lack of originality/soul aside I think leaning into that really works for them. Like Lando said, Pokemon has all this brand power with anime and merch plus the lore and cute interactions in its world, I'm not sure Palworld will be able to establish it's own identity in the face of that, but I hope both companies can step up their game and be more experimental in the future :P
That's not how the development works. They didn't make Arceus and then Scarlet/Violet, they were created simultaneously. This is the obvious reason why some default qol features within arceus aren't in SV and vice versa. Shiny's making a noise/sparkle visibly in the world is one of the most common things. There were no intentional steps backwards, they were made side by side and by different teams within the studio who communicate obviously but didn't exactly share members.
I can agree. The one thing I do not like about Palworld is the combat. I want pokemon to stay turn base with the heal or risk another attack judgement calls. I would love more out-of-combat or even another challenge to use with pokemon. What about racing with Pokemon to aid you? You know different pokemon open up different routes you can take. They showed things like that in the anime.
everyone complaining about 1 or 2 comparable pals to pokemon, while palworld already has some that are better than pokemon. Depresso is my spirit animal.
Its so funny that you say that palworld has followed the pokemon formula when that couldnt be further from the truth when pokemon has no building, hardly if any mounts and no open world where u could do whatever the hell u want and not have to follow an actual formula of catching Pokémon for gym battles for some arbitrary goal of being a "Pokémon master"
the adults who were old enough to remember when Digimon came out are like "its your first time?" Honestly gotta wait a few years to tell if it can even give pokemon competition. Right now palworld is being hard carried by word of mouth and twitter outrage
I think it's too soon to call whether or not Palworld will become irrelevant. It's an early access game, barely halfway done. Baldur's gate was in a similar half baked spot with an early access, and when it was finished it saw even more success. If anything the cash infusion should help to make the game as good as it can be, but whether the devs are capable of following through we will have to see. I have a lot of hope for Palworld
I think it's crazy how people are SO quick to call it a fad or that it's not gonna do well in the future when it's already done so well right out the gate. Like, who's to say the game won't grow like Pokemon did? Also, Pokemon doesn't own the rights to the monster pal concept. It's silly the ONLY reason people are upset is because they think Nintendo owns design concepts. Pokemon is a turn-based game, and Palworld is a 3rd person shooter. Palworld is similar to Pokemon as it is clearly a parody game. At the very least it gets Nintendo to get off its lazy behind and actually innovate its games because I'm disappointed with how complacent they've been with their past games. The Palworld slander just sounds immature all around; people are upset their legacy company has been challenged. Oh well.
The game settings are so customizable that its easy to play at ur own pace and not get too burnt out because grinding takes way too long in certain levels...i never felt pressured in the game
I got to level 45 with my main in one night... before i started over, i got my second character to level 30 in one night and i have a better base in a better location. Im learning what to do.
I don't think Pokemon should be worried at all, but they should definitely take notes to what is making palworld as fun as it has been. Ignore any of the drama surrounding it, Pokemon could take the best of palworld and create a new Pokemon game with it.
@@2Navalie yeah hopefully. Pokemon already has a massive fan base, so if they just gave the fans a great game to play, they would always come out on top I'd think
Why would there be a palworld 2? This game is early access and was made by 4 people. If anything with the windfall of money this game will be just he bigger and better over time.. time will tell obviously but I think your view is a tad pessimistic especially with games like ARK having so much longevity despite being objectively boring and trash It doesn’t even compete with Pokémon imo as a base genre other than the creature collecting being part of the game
I only was a die hard Pokémon during the first three generations. All i can say about new generations design is this: "They really designed a trash bag Pokémon?"
I don't think it's even "better packaging" that makes Palworld so good, Pokemon hasn't fucken innovated it's most successful franchise in aged, and now people can get Pokemon with something new, I hope that Pokemon makes a new game, and it's the same shit as always, so Palworld gets more success
Completely agree on the gaming burnout, legitimately hadn't played games in the last 2 years. Palworld has been a breath of fresh air honestly. I love survival games like Ark Survival Evolved so Palworld was a nice fit and has been a really fun time so far and I'm looking forward to updates.
Palworld certainly doesn't stand well as a brand, but it *absolutely* stands well as a game, I imagine it'll be one of the long standing games like rust or Ark where they just keep updating and adding to this game rather than making a bunch of sequels.
i see this argument alot but lets take Dinossom design for example yes you can say it took aspects from 3 different pokemon but by doing just that you have already made a different and "unique" design therefore making it "not a copy" artists do this all the time when they do their art they take "inspiration" from from a bunch of different sources and combine and tweek them and proclaim it as their own work. sometime they even just change the art style. There is only a handful of Pals you can say are rips offs from pokemon. but that is only a fraction of what this game is, they could change and replace all those Pals that the twitter and the internet want to cherry pick out and nothing would change the game would still do well because people like the game and it fulls a hole and want that people have wanted for a very long time. The pokemon stuff that people compare this game with is only about 10-20% of what this game is. Though keep this in mind the studio and staff behind this game had a pretty tight budget and yes they could of taken heavy inspiration from pokemon for the pals but pokemon was also in the same situation back with red and blue and they also took heavy inspiration from dragon quest for some of the pokemon because thats what alot of companies do on a budget. Its just that back in the day we didnt have the internet and the toxic culture we have today. Sorry my comment is taking so long but to finish off, the 10-20% of the game i said was pokemon like are 3 things, the biggest being the art style which makes people compare it to pokemon but you cant copyright a art style so any argument there is useless. Second biggest being the handful of arguable rip offs but ive already said my stance on it and can be easily fixed in the future by replacing for simply resigning them now that they have a bigger budget and lastly is a catching mech which also cant be copyrighted and Nintendo cant own a mechanic same as with a art style. Personally i like both Pokemon and Palworld i just wish people would look deeper then the surface of a game and not be sheeps to what is said on the internet.
Palworld is a threat to Pokemon in the same way COD is a threat to WoW. I don,t know why this discussion even exists, they're completely different genre.
Cant wait for the TCG and plushies. Can we get lunchboxes as well in the Core Set Palworld TCG. I want a Nox extended art foil please and thank you. I want a Gumoss mug for work. Im an adult. Pokemon shmolemon
The problem with Digimon is that they don't found their game , like Cyber sleuth and Hacker's memory is AWESOME but at the end of the day they are more on the VN / JRPG style so people don't check it as much as they should
Digimon World 1 has hard to figure out raising mechanics, 2 is a grindfest dungeon crawler, 3 is a slightly less grindy jrpg. The DS games are also grindy, frustrating JRPGs. Savers PS2 is a standard jrpg, but had a mechanic that punishes you for not choosing moves your partner wanted to use. Cyber Sleuth and Hacker's Memory had good stories and gameplay but felt soulless in that you don't really care about your Digimon. Next Order is World 1 but somehow slower and less fun. Survive is mostly a VN which filters out a large number of people by its format alone. If they made more of the Cyber Sleuth/Hacker's Memory style games, with a system where you can care more about your Digimon partner, I think Digimon might finally make an international hit.
I've played for nearly 100 hours, and the closest to plagerism I've seen was direhowl, but it's just a wolf. (We don't talk about cremis). Also, it seems like someone hasn't been paying attention to the lore. (My favorite is Marcus who is both the head of the police, but also the leader of a drug cartell. He sells you drugs, busts you for possesion of drugs making you pay a large ammount for bail, and then resells the drugs he busts you for. Mans found an infinite money glitch.)
People thought the same about terraria, deadpool and while people didnt think this about overwatch, it is the same concept of taking others concepts and putting them in your game, like mercy is just medic with flight and theres a few others. And there also many other examples of this, and in my opinion terraria is 100x better than minecraft, so dont count palworld out so quick, because because this is exactly how terraria was marketed, side scroller minecraft with guns and magic. Also Azurobe is 100x better than primarina, and the only thing they share is theyre feminine water creatures, i mean cmon ones a mermaid flattened by a pancake iron and the other is a elegant sea serpant.
I stop playing Pokemon after Emerald and never could get into the next ones. But I still cannot see why people keep calling Palworld a Pokemon game with barely anything to do with that game, was disappointed that it wasn't a Pokemon game and more a generic survival game So not sure why the appeal, there is Ark Survival were basically you can do the same and mod it to capture pokemon, add slaves and you have Palworld. That's the game for me sadly, if you are having fun that's great, just that hope that many people keep stop saying is the next Pokemon game.
Forgive me Professor, I just finished playing New Pokemon Snap and it is amazing how much stuff they packed in there. The environments are so well done. 27+ courses... the original had 3, I think. The Mantines socialize and squeak like dolphins!! The tutorial insults your intelligence, well so what? It really doesn't even have that many actual tips in it either. Like it only holds your hand for like an hour if that.
As someone who grew out from Pokemon, this won't die down if they do ark like releases of pals and maps. And those who refused to play ASA play this instead.
Please read the interview with the Palworld devs and you'll know exactly how Palworld came to exist. This game was made by a mostly inexperienced dev team that spent 1 whole month on just 1 Pal design and rig. The main goal of the CEO with this game was to 'make a fun game' first and foremost and they've succeeded. Even if Nintendo Sue's and they are legally required to change the designs the game will still be fun.
in an other Video i put a comment with a simlar tag that, Digimon and DragonQuest Monster would be aso a perfect seting from Palworld. you couild replace the Gun's with somothing Magic stuff and good. and DQM "The Dark Prince" is a let down comper to DQM "Terry No Wonderland" imiging, the Palpagos Island is the File Island an and play a standed and get insted of the Tablet a Digivice, and colect "wood data" from Trees to have the Digivice create wood structurs and stuff...
Honestly, I think it's going to be the opposite. Pal world is likely going to spark a surge of similar games in the survival genre in the same way the Dark Souls formula is basically everywhere now days. Pal World will be held up as a gold standard, since it's incredibly well put together, until a new 'gold standard' survival/creature game comes along. Pokemon will also be compared to Pal World in terms of quality in the future, rather than the other way around. Also, the further I get into the game, the more Pal Designs vary from Pokemon designs. Admittedly this is conjecture, but I get the feeling that the game pivoted from a 'parody' game to its own fully fledged thing at some point in development. Finally, in terms of it competing with Pokemon, Pokemon's not going anywhere. Pokemon has a massive brand, and targets a different core audience.
The ghost pepper is just Fuecoco and Haunter mashed together. Brawlerina is just Hangyu with a slipper for a head. The bee one is just a Muk Combee. It's pretty easy to take any design and pick one to two pokemon it resembles.
frankly, most of the pals that are given as axamples of "plagarism" of pokemon, come from other thing than pokemon. Take foxpark and the likeness with vulpix ppl complain about: Both originally comes from the Finnish mythos of the fire fox, responsible for the aurora borealis. Lucario and Anubis, both based of the misconception that Anubis has a jackal head, when in reality it's actually a wolf head. Almost all the similarities, comes from them being from the actual same mythos in the real world... cremis and evee, cremis is a letteral cloud+4legged creature, and follows all the naming conventions of cloud formation and naming conventions. This is just some from the top of my head. Then you have the mass of norse mythos inspired pals, where very damn pokemon they are set up against are nothing alike, even when they both was inspired from Norse mythos
The main point why Palworld is Famous because of the Pokemon-like designs. Without it, palworld wouldnt have even the fraction of success than they currently have.
Palworld really seems to be the wake up call that most gamers only really play what are the most popular games at the time, Palworld included. So few are actually going out to look for games. "I don't wanna play League or Valorant" as if there's aren't thousands of games out there
I mean, if they wanted to do a Sonic game with guns.. they can always do a Shadow the Hedgehog Game, they tried it once butwent too serious about it. I would KILL for a Shadow the Hedgehog 2 under the frontier format, and with *_more weapons_*
If Pokemon were held to the same standard of "originality" as by which Palworld is being called bad, Pokemon would be called a lazy, unoriginal mess. Hell before the whole Palworld situation where people pretend Pokemon is the original author of every animal species, aerodynamics, mythological characters, geometry, etc EVERY generation was criticized for having lazy and unoriginal designs. Same happened with Breath of the Wild. It's a generic open world game that lifted most things from other open world games then added Zelda to the mix, then Genshin showed up and fanboys acted like BotW is the creator of open world, goblins, Japanese orcs, cell shaded graphics, anime, cartoons, green grass, blue sky, clouds, rocks, water, etc.
There's a lot of Palworld designs that seem unique. You can make a comparison for every palworld because there are 1000+ pokemon designs out there. Do we talk about other games with anime looking monsters copying pokemon? What about anime that have monsters based off of animals? With so much design out there, its getting harder to be original.
nah man you can still be original some pals are very blatant
@@TheTheisson SOME is the key word. Some of them are basically copies. Others AREN'T. Just because some of them are doesn't invalidate the ones that aren't.
I love how people, especially younger people, are having the same old argument that we had with Digimon vs Pokemon back in the 1990s.
@@Hagosha They look more like Digimon than Pokemon Tbh.
@@mosstits truly better times for the discourse.
The discourse on originality is in every field of creativity. When you consume enough media and maybe even try being on the creating side and start learning about it, you begin to shift the perspective of "this product X is just a copy of Y", toward thinking in tropes, elements of design, patterns, styles etc.
The difference between a good product and a masterpiece is essentially if it made a difference, if it is memorable for the times to come, if it created a new genre etc.
What i like more about all this, is that the people who made this game, were just some dudes messing around without really knowing what they were doing.
They just focused of making something fun in their way.
Pokemon has the strength of one of the most lucrative franchises of all time, and yet some nobodies came out and shown everybody that you can indeed have more, if you really wish so.
Based on what I understand of the research on the scientific nature of creativity, it really is a function of memory. Our experiences shape our brain to make connections in certain ways so when we see examples either in the future or from our memory we can complete the image. I think all creativity involves copying to an extent (I personally don’t really care, but since compensation is important in our economy it sucks to have your work plagiarized and we don’t exactly cite our sources for fine arts or cuisine). The best art takes what worked from the past and merges those elements to create a product that is in some way new. The combination is the new part: the individual parts don’t have to be spawned out of thin air for the first time. I really don’t care if this musical lick or chord progression has been used before, but if the combination is an experience I can’t get anywhere else.
@@sugarqbs "Plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery".
We're creature learning by experience and repetition, and we're wired to seek patterns, even to a fault: so of course we copy and repeat.
Obviously, when the copy is very similiar to the original, it's honest to cite and refer to it.
If you don't want to, then at least give it a personal twist to the point that your effort into making it your version is enough to deserve its own identity.
yeah- Like there's some OBVIOUS copied designs, but they are a vast minority. People went into the game with the "Pokémon with guns" mindset so many obviously gravitated to immediately search for any minor detail that may or may not resemble a Pókemon. I have seen some people genuinely think Grizzbolt looks like Pikachu and that's honestly the stupidest shit ever
well... pokemon have been around for long and have been complacent and lazy... just look at their latest releases... cant even optimize day 1... on a platform theyve been on for so long... this should be a wake up call... funny if ever pokemon put survival elements then the discourse will just be a cycle... and ooff please upgrade the graphics pokemon dont stay in the 90s... time to upgrade
I'd watch a whole stream of the Professor just cooking up a fakemon gen
frfr I’d watch that vod
Honestly, his fakemon is just bad. Give us designs like Chillet or Depresso. Deviating too much from reality like his faux ballerina shoe ribbon -mon is just bad, plus, it'll be definitely be harder to animate it in 3D.
Just to give an update to this video. Palworld has sold over 8 million copies in it's first week on steam alone. And on steam has an all time peak of 2,101,867 players, which puts at Steams number 2 game of all time right behind Pub G.
That's insane.
Now 12 million copies plus 7 million players on xbox gamepass. It outsold nearly every single gameboy, ds, and 3ds pokemon game. Out did pla and bdsp. And is coming for the scarlet and violet's head. In just under 2 weeks alone. Any pokemon fanboy saying that it'll die out after the hype is just coping. Palworld is here to stay, and pokemon may finally have the rival it's been needing for years.
@@treek10kI love palworld, but it might not be a true competitor, it certainly could be, but that depends on if the devs decide to make another palworld game after they finish/stop developing this one. The developing could simply decide to not make another one. But yes palworld could definitely turn into an established ip.
While I mostly agree with most of the stuff he said, I don't think Palworld copied Pokemon designs wholesale. There are plenty of unique Palworld creatures, but it's just overlooked due to the whole "Pokemon with guns" narrative. Hell, Menasting is a really unique design as far as scorpion creatures go, but some deranged pokefan will still find a way to compare to Pokemon's Skorupi. You can have the most unique creature designs, but once you add a certain "cuteness"-factor to it, and maybe even some pastel colorways, it will always be compared to Pokemon. ALWAYS.
And fuck yeah I'd be down for some Palworld merch, mofos. Gimme that Lovander figurine to jar.
In Game Design (I'm a Game Design Student) we often use other games or movies as pillars for our games for
examples: A platformer games with the physics of Mario with the roguelike aspect of Deadcells but with the atmosphere of Dungeon and dragons.
It's common in the industry and most of the time the more you design the more you will distance yourself from it's original pillars.
Palworld is good because its a combination of many things people love that "other companies" have refused to do right because of money, apathy, or exec overreach, etc. It's a fun cute monster catching game, it's a good survival ark-style game, its a good base builder, it has fun open world exploration (like Elden Ring in many ways tbh). And its really cheap so its extremely competitive with inflation and many people's shrinking disposable income.
But should Pokemon be worried? No. Game Freak will make the same trash and still get 10mil copies sold. They have nothing to worry about. But at least those of us who are tired of it have Palworld now.
Agreed, never supporting game freak trash games again.
Its an interesting case because while Palworld does have better reception towards consumers vs Pokemon, its not Palworld that Pokemon has to worry about. The thing that Pokemon truly has to worry about are themselves. Pokemon's most recent game, Scarlet and Violet, sold considerably less than the other games in the franchise like Red and Blue, and even Sword and Shield. It also only barely sold more than Gold and Silver. This is an issue because while Pokemon is one of the highest grosses media entertainment and its latest product isn't selling as well comparatively to its previous entries, that tells them and us consumers that some thing is wrong, especially for it to be on the Switch. There has been tons of games that have released and re-released on the Switch and they sold twice or three time or 4 times better than any other entry in that specific franchise. (Example Mario Kart Wii sold 37 million, while Mario Kart 8 sold 65 million almost twice as much).
You literally have NO IDEA what you are talking about. You do realize the sword shield arceus scarlett violet gap between all 4 games was the shortest in all of Pokemon history, Right?
@@MrStGeorgeIllawarra Sw/Sh, Arceus, and S&V released in November 2019, January 2022, and November 2022.All in the span of 3 years under the public knowledge that Gamefreak has two teams that works on there games and with a vast amount of resources and profits to improve their games. Three of the games that are within the "Golden Age" of Pokemon consist of Platinum, HG/SS, and B/W. All of which on a yearly consecutive matter: September 2008, September 2009, and September 2010. Which also matches the same amount of time they made these games as they did with the Switch games even though back in between 2008-2010 they had less resources/ profits. It seems like its the shortest due to global releases of which they chose to release it on those days specifically instead of delaying but when you look at the Japanese releases they both fit in the span of 3 years. The Golden Age also consist of B2/W2 but the reason why I didn't include it was because after B/W they took a break, the thing that fans of Pokemon has asked Gamefreak to do for years and Gamefreak themselves has reciprocated that notion with a lack of release of 2024.
It's a completely different genre than Pokemon which really does itself well. I'm 27, have had a hard time caring about Pokemon ever since it went 3D on the DS. Palworld is fresh & fun & not ugly, compared to Pokemon which hasn't improved since the 2000's.
If Palworld can go the Valheim route I think it could see longevity. But honestly it needs to release content quicker than Valheim does
I was shocked by the dark souls style boss fights, one mistake and you're dead it's a fantastic challenge. I cheese TF out of these bosses for the win and I'm not ashamed because I've gotten countless cheesy deaths. Palworld rules it takes inspiration from a dozen great games and introduces enough original concepts that I'm going to be a fan of this game even if it drops off
My only wish is that the world itself was more "toonish" to fit in with character and pal designs, but it's certainly pretty solid.
Dude as a pokemon fan i dont really care about Palworld or Pokemon games.
I'd love to see Digimon start making a big comeback
Digimon still makes shows, games, and even a TCG. The problem is that fans of Pokémon call even that a clone. It does have following, me included.
Tbh I feel like the reason Digimon isn't as popular is because the designs just aren't as marketable.
yeah I'm pretty active in the fandom still, but I do think It needs a new a hit game.@@pizzathehut2264
I think there is some truth to that. I did hear in an interview one of the pokemon designers was asked to keep designs simple to facilitate animation and make merch. A lot of the digimon design just go too hard lol @@OpheliaTerat
@@OpheliaTeratI think they are marketable but bandai don't put budget on their games
I loved your quantifiable viewpoint on the games and where and why people loves it. Wonderful lecture as usual professor!
Thanks for the nice structured discussion on Palworld prof! I like how you pointed out the issues and concerns and what you think makes it popular so much. Both the company and the game still have a chance to shape up for later but we'll see if/when that happens. Also, love your drawings of fat bee and ghost pepper💕
And stay away from my pikachu. 😂Thanks for the video prof! Take care! ❤️
Crazy people think Nintendo is going to sue Palworld. As if they wouldn't have done that years ago when they announced development. Nintendo has been able to strike down stuff in matter of days. And competition is always good, though I doubt Palworld will stay relevant more than a year or two unless they continue development.
You made one really important point that I haven't seen very many people talk about much at all so far. Palworld absolutely IS being harmed by their bizarre choice to absolutely steal many key design elements from Pokemon. They did NOT need to do this, they have talented artists, they created several very interesting pals. I do believe this choice, contrary to lando's statement, did actually contribute to the initial boost in sales and interest, but they really didn't need that and it kind of broke my heart a bit to see more and more of the designs as I progressed further in.
"POKEMON WITH GUNS" alone, something essentially every one has used in a thumbnail so far is at the very least an attention grabbing statement. It's not the truth at all of course but it's obviously working.
I've got a lot of feelings about the video and palworld otherwise but this isn't really the place for that for the most part. Sugimori, Turner, and the rest of the pokemon design team have continued to make many great designs over the years.
There are many pokemon I don't actually care for but I can still appreciate the design by itself. Even the Pika-clones, the generally most shit on pokemon designs, have, since Gen 4 at least, contained a lot of actual identity and clarity. Clearly using the mascot as a very base inspiration, but also very much being their own "living" thing. I'm honestly so tired of seeing how casually people are shitting on these artists, using the sledgehammer of "if I don't like a thing it's actually objectively bad" over and over again. People everywhere consistently treat the creators of their enjoyment like complete shit and feel that's a totally fair way to live.
Pocket Pair wanted to make a fun game, and they did. I've enjoyed my last week in the game and I expect I'll still be playing it for most of this next week. They made a lot of very unfortunate mistakes and I hope they learn from them going forward. Absolutely hope people drop this "just a couple of guys goofing off" rhetoric as their own actual words, not a shitty discord spread "translation", contradicts that entirely.
To end this wall of text no one has any reason to read: Primarina has an amazing design actually. I don't like the pokemon personally, that's really not important in this case. But it is a good design, it absolutely conveys their intent clearly.
Which ones look similar to pokemon? Besides there being a sheep, squirrel or even feminine serpant as those are concepts and if you cant use similar concepts to pokemon who has 1000 pokemon designs than how do you make pokemon like creatures? Because that's what we like is that it's a new game told through the guise of pokemons art style, which is due to the artstyle obviously, similarly to how anime writers copy other anime art styles to tell their own stories to the people who like the art style and feel of those animes.
Because the few ones I can see being a rip is like the cinderace one and I legit cant think of any others and if it's simply one design than that honestly could be just a coincidence since it's over a 100 designs vs 1000.
And sorry im gonna end up writing a wall of text like you 😂 but one of the lead art designers for the game is a woman who grew up loving pokemon and drew her own fakemon for years, so i genuinely think many of the designs in the game have soul and love behind them, much more than pokemon, which Is a souless company at this point, so I'm sure she took many inspirations from pokemon over the years but they're her own works, and I would assume many of the other ones have love put in by her and the other art designers. Not to mention pokemon stole its designs from dragon quest which is literally the same situation bascially and we all love pokemon so dont just write them off so quickly.
hindsight is always 20/20. They did not know the game was gonna be profitable, let alone be a massive hit. They didn't anticipate the word of mouth would be this positive.
They borrowed designs from Pokemon hoping more people will try the game simply because it's Pokemon on PC. That's all there is to it. And creating original monsters take more time and budget.
@@shawngorski9714 no matter how hard the evidence is, my brain keeps thinking Cremis is Eevee. And that's a fact.
@@2NavalieI will never get this. Cremis is far fluffier than Eevee
If y'all are mad at Palworld copying Pokemon then y'all are gonna REALLY hate what Pokemon did to Dragon Quest.
I'm more mad that GameFreak have been sitting on their ass for 20 years doing jack shit.
Not as strong of an argument as the people parroting it seem to think, though. Pokemon has its own aesthetic such that I think rather few ppl would have trouble telling if a creature is from DQ or Pokemon. But Palworld very obviously takes the design language of Pokemon specifically to the point where some pals look like something right out of Pokemon.
All that said, I'm not a Pokemon whiteknight or whatever. The main series games have been unsatisfactory for a long time and need to improve. I'm just saying the "but Pokemon did it to Dragon Quest!" argument doesn't hit that hard really.
Pokémon has a distinct style difference from dragon quest. Brain dead take
DQ has a very complex artistic style and a more "monster" aproach with then, while pokemon is being a more simple drawing monsters for everyone.
Stop making this comparison, if you don't know how to differentiate inspiration and copy, why bother.
@@matthewlynn6108 ???? So you think someone can steal the LITERAL design concept but as long its in a different art-style it doesn't constitute as copying? If you make a design and I go and copy your design document and what you did I could never replicate your design 1:1 and therefore it would be in my "distinct style".
There was no "copying" either way, Palworld uses the Pokemon aesthetic which they were only able to arrive at by taking designs from Dragon Quest that has propagated for decades at this point and been used ad nauseam by Digimon, Yo-KAI Watch, Shin Megami Tensei, etc. etc. for the last 30+ years to the point where every "monster-catching" game has to have their own mascot/Pikachu. In Palworld its LITERALLY only for the sake of Parody, all of the designs being similar to Pokemon only works as a concept because Pokemon exist in the first place and its paying homage to that fact and playing off of it. (giving Pokemon guns, having them work in a factory, hell i still call em pokemon when i play)
That is to say Palworld isn't stealing from Pokemon and trying to act like it doesn't exist or compete with it like Yo-KAI watch/Digimon its a nod to Pokemon if anything.
I have a feeling Palworld isn't gonna fall off like you said in this video... it looks like it in creative design, but.. it beat counter strike, almost beats pubg.. these are games that are always played on steam, the #1 platform that is a bit too expensive to publish, but it's where the "PC master race" people go to and stuff.. I think it's a big deal it immediately got up there surpassing elden ring and baldurs gate, that were constantly spoken of last years.
Though I think they should update the looks of some of them like Creamy or whatever eventually
I really agree with his opinion that Palworld is gonna fall off because of it not making its own identity without using Pokemon as a base
It's the truth. As much I've heard of people playing the game, I haven't seen any fan art or anyone referring to their pals by name
However its going to take them awhile since Pokemon has over 900 designs
@@pjuster2You haven't been looking, there's lots of fanart out there now. Lots of people love Depresso
@@HuoShengdimmmm yes I love my little sad looking Espurr. ( This is a joke )
I think it's depends on the dev team that wants to make those "Pals" as a brand like "Pokémon", which is not impossible, but they may need to shake the label "Pokémon with a gun" out from their game first.
Ghost pepper is goated.
Could mix the 2 designs together and it hides on the pepper as a genie when it is not haunting someone or sleeping and gets out and turns the pepper into a scyth for combat
One thing I hope for palworld is that with the recent success they can go through and make more original pal designs or even redesign some of them. Cause the game was originally on a budget of 100,000 dollars over 3 years so I imagine they copied some of the designs to save on artist costs.
There's a lot of pals to go through. Since you can have two different type of pals breed with each other and create a whole new type there's many more for you to unlock then just what you'll see within the land
Nice jacket, prof!
Saying a game is going to fall off thats only in beta testing just because you think its not 100% original is crazy....idk where you guys live but you would be hard pressed to find any original games in 2024 and beyond and i dont think there have been any original games in the last 10 years maybe.
Also palworld is nothing like pokemon besides the monster catching aspect and there's many monster catching/taming games out there, and other than some monsters looking like a pokemon "clone" the two games dont compare.
To answer both question in video title,
A) Because Palworld is a mishmash of good ideas all slapped together into a very fun formula. Granted it is still in early access so some things could change prior to the full release but as it is rn it's just fun.
B) No, Pokemon is legitimately too big to fail and has way too large a crazy fandom backing it up. I love Pokemon myself and do still enjoy playing the games but I also can recognize that it's been too stagnant and dull for too long now. Legends Arceus was a step in the right direction, only for said direction to be thrown back by Scarlet Violet.
Also to ask another question, is Palworld's success beneficial for the Monster Taming genre as a whole? I think yes personally. If more people are actually willing to go out and spend their money on other games within the genre then I think we could finally have some really good competition within the genre as opposed to Pokemon having such a strong hold on it. Coromon, Nexomon, Cassette Beasts, Shin Megami Tensei, there's plenty of games out there that are just as good and even more fun than anything Pokemon has made in the past few years, yet most people just write them off as "clones" or "Pokemon copies" which is very disheartening. Now I will be honest Palworld isn't exactly 100% a game within the genre, it has some Monster Taming elements but ultimately shares more with games like Ark or Minecraft, yet still people continue to compare it to Pokemon because of the monster designs.
If y'all wanna look forward to a game like Palworld that will have it's own unique style I'd look forward to Nexomon 3. It's still in development but it's a step-up in the franchise being Nexomon's first venture into 3D and going in an open-world direction. And hell I'll still highly recommend all the games I mentioned prior. They are very fun and great games to check out for those feeling burnt out on Pokemon's nonsense.
The only Pokémon game that even came close to finally being what we wanted was Legends Arceus, but even that fell short in many categories. I still had a blast playing it, though, compared to the mainline games.
17:22 That was the problem: they had no money lol. The lead designer apparently was a fresh graduate that was rejected by multiple companies INCLUDING PocketPair priorly. She also seemed to have making Fakemons as her only past major experience so it makes sense many of the Pals have that "Pokemon" feel
This exactly. You make what you know, and she knows Fakemon.
I haven't played a modern pokemon game since X/Y. I don't care if some pals look like pokemon. Even if the designers had never seen a pokemon in their lives, there would still inevitably be some similarities; there's only so many ways to design a fiery fox monster.
To me, palworld has its own identity. I'm enjoying it, and I can't wait to see where it goes in the next few years.
It's not impossible to create thousands of different monsters based on one thing, don't you believe me? Just look at the fakemon that were made with the paradox forms of the beasts, yeah, everyone knew that these would end up being specific dinosaurs, and despite being relatively similar to what the officials showed, they have their differences because it's not easy to end having the same idea 100%
I'm super-intrigued. I've been trying to hype myself up to play something new this year but I wasn't keen on any of the recent releases. But this looks like a game I could sink time into in small chunks. Which is perfect. Thanks for the info. And Thankyou for defending the right of everyone (adults included) to enjoy these type of games.
lowkey brawlerina is actually a cool concept like a ribbon pokemon that becomes more a full humanoid shape by manipulating its ribbons in the shape of a dancer with the excess ribbon flowing but can wrap into fist when fighting
Palworld already make a name for themselves after selling 9 million copies in just 9 days , with an in game peak of 2.1 million players daily , the game still is on early access , it is cheap below $30 and once the PVP futures are released the game will be insane , Palworld is not something temporary, it is something that has a long journey if its developers keep up the pace, at the moment they are about to launch a card game to compete with the Pokémon card game . Competition is good and necessary because it forces the rival to innovate and Gamefreak definitely needs to innovate
They don't want to be pokemon competition, they don't want to start an entire new franchise, they wanted to simply make a game that would sell well
The designs (and art style) being so simillar to pokemon gave them huge popularity boost at the beginning, without it we would be probably talking now about thousands/tens of thousands of concurrent players instead of milions
Sorry, but "Pokémon with guns" is a solid opening pitch. Monster Rancher and Digimon look nothing like Pokémon designs, and it's never done them any favors, despite often having more in depth gameplay than any version of Pokémon.
Meanwhile every successful monster collector game invokes Pokemon in its design ethos. Temtem, Coromon, and Nexomon all have what are effectively fakemon.
I agree with most of all of this. This game is so fun. I played it, soon as it released, before it was even super huge. I love creation games, Pokémon and medieval weaponry, type stuff and guns. So, this game is damn near perfect for me
I disagree that it’ll fall off. A lot of adults like me have been itching for Pokémon that doesn’t suck. I haven’t played Pokémon since white and black, which means to me, these are basically new Pokémon. I haven’t kept up with anything beyond gen 3, which means to me, these may as well be Pokémon. Brand loyalty means nothing to me in a franchise that continually adds new Pokémon and characters anyway, to me, they might as well be Pokémon
I stopped playing pokemon around sapphire/crystal so as a returning player to the world of catching creatures it has me hooked. I think this game will be able to maintain its successful run with older millennials like myself who haven't played Pokemon in a long time but always has that itch ;)
I would have liked it if it was like pokemon dark souls monster hunter, like instead of guns, why not huge swords and magic? imagine a dark mature pokemon world where you tame all these horrifying mythical creatures
11:43 hard disagree. palworld merch has strong "sense of right alliance" energy that i really wanna wear it in front of my pokemon friends
Digimon was never even trying in the first place, they're more concerned with being their own thing and focussing on the fans they already have. Even at the height of its popularity in the early 2000's, when people were trying to push this rivalry they openly stated they'd rather have people that grew out of Pokémon than try to cater to the same audience.
There is also the fact that a lot of new and returning fans don't even understand how the series is structured due to a hiatus of seven years in the west and straight up poor handling of the franchise by Bandai USA who insisted in renaming every single new release as if it was part of the Digimon World series.
Both fans and developers had to fight to bring the franchise back to being a series released worldwide and I much prefer that they stay true to themselves rather than chasing trends. That doesn't mean they're not trying to step up their game, though. They clear plan of where they wanted to go after Cyber Sleuth and Next Order, but they had a string of unforeseen circunstances since 2018 which got in the way of their schedule for game development and they're just recovering from it now.
Okay but the ghost/pepper fakemon looks incredible though, I love that lil' guy. Put him in Palworld ASAP! Also like, there's one genre of person into Palworld too. People who fell off of Pokemon ages ago, and don't really know the more recent ones that have similar designs in Palworld, and they feel fresh? Like so many of these are like, "These look pokemon-like" but I don't remember their original ones, if I ever saw them at all.
I loved that pepper reaper ngl
I honestly think this just goes to show how much pokémon game freak and whoever else is responsible for that IP. Drop the ball when it comes to developing the franchise like I know they were never going to do guns and slavery stuff but they definitely could have made it an actual open world game instead of whatever they called themselves doing for the switch. Like pokémon should be way further and they should have experimented more with open world. And having pokémon be more than just them fighting and seeing them interact in the actual world. But they played it super safe and now they let someone else make the game they could have made years ago.
The problem is that sales numbers are still insanely high even if they play it safe. Sacrlet/Violet sales like 23M up to Sep'23.
Another thing is Arceus that many people acclaimed that this is the right direction of future Pokémon can sold only 14M, less than Scarlet/Violet like 9M.
Will TPC stepping out of their zone? Let's see the numbers of next game.
Nah, Palworld wouldn't have reached it's current popularity anyway if they went for more original designs. They'd be doing numbers closer to their previous open-world builder game Craftopia or other Pokemon inspired games like TemTem or Casette Beasts.
To be honest only the fat bee was the only good (decent even) monster design.
The fairy-fighting one just looked like some two-armed pokemon that already exists, but with a ballerina shoe, or just literally Hangyu from Palworld but with a shoe
I played Palworld for a few hours. I was chiopping trees, mining stone and farming crops. All that made me want to do is play Farming games lol. So I am playing Coral Island instead.
17:26 the ceo openly admitted that they dont like being creative, they just wanna do the safe things. it's a shame really.
It’s a pity that they completed the innovation in the process of ‘stitching’hh
Palworld just a genuinely good monster tamer. A decent game in a time when most triple A companies fail to deliver.
Fail to deliver and blame the fans for it, while saying we should get comfortable not owning games and that we should pay more for their slop.
great game, hoping for the best for this game's future.
I think this was a nice view from an artist but also a game enjoyer, it's not just opinions but also your experiences, hopes and disappointments. Fair at it's finest.
I'm not a gamer, I mostly warch streamers, but can't say I'll feel comfortable watching a stream of tgis game anymore, it's just too much at this point...
But I think if people are having fun playing or streaming it, they have the right to do so, nothing to shame.
I feel like people forget about Pokemon Legends Arceus, I personally don't really care about a more "mature" approach or theme, but it took the approach where you could "fight" Pokemon yourself while running around in an overworld while still maintaining turn-based RPG aspects, I loved that so much and then they just threw it all away with Scarlett/Violet :(
Palworld combined that with survival aspects from Rust or ARK, and lack of originality/soul aside I think leaning into that really works for them. Like Lando said, Pokemon has all this brand power with anime and merch plus the lore and cute interactions in its world, I'm not sure Palworld will be able to establish it's own identity in the face of that, but I hope both companies can step up their game and be more experimental in the future :P
That's not how the development works. They didn't make Arceus and then Scarlet/Violet, they were created simultaneously. This is the obvious reason why some default qol features within arceus aren't in SV and vice versa. Shiny's making a noise/sparkle visibly in the world is one of the most common things. There were no intentional steps backwards, they were made side by side and by different teams within the studio who communicate obviously but didn't exactly share members.
I can agree. The one thing I do not like about Palworld is the combat. I want pokemon to stay turn base with the heal or risk another attack judgement calls.
I would love more out-of-combat or even another challenge to use with pokemon. What about racing with Pokemon to aid you? You know different pokemon open up different routes you can take. They showed things like that in the anime.
everyone complaining about 1 or 2 comparable pals to pokemon, while palworld already has some that are better than pokemon.
Depresso is my spirit animal.
Its so funny that you say that palworld has followed the pokemon formula when that couldnt be further from the truth when pokemon has no building, hardly if any mounts and no open world where u could do whatever the hell u want and not have to follow an actual formula of catching Pokémon for gym battles for some arbitrary goal of being a "Pokémon master"
True and good point, but I don’t think I ever said it “followed the Pokemon formula.” I literally compare it to valheim and rust
@@Profussy2 you did say that coming down to the end of your speech that's why I ending up writing a second comment
It's no wonder they tried to shut down Pixelmon. Injecting Pokemon into Minecraft is a stroke of genius.
the adults who were old enough to remember when Digimon came out are like "its your first time?" Honestly gotta wait a few years to tell if it can even give pokemon competition. Right now palworld is being hard carried by word of mouth and twitter outrage
I just looked at steam charts atm... it's number 1... Everything else has like 100k players ish or less...
I actually want ghost pepper merch now lmao
I think it's too soon to call whether or not Palworld will become irrelevant. It's an early access game, barely halfway done. Baldur's gate was in a similar half baked spot with an early access, and when it was finished it saw even more success. If anything the cash infusion should help to make the game as good as it can be, but whether the devs are capable of following through we will have to see. I have a lot of hope for Palworld
I think it's crazy how people are SO quick to call it a fad or that it's not gonna do well in the future when it's already done so well right out the gate. Like, who's to say the game won't grow like Pokemon did? Also, Pokemon doesn't own the rights to the monster pal concept. It's silly the ONLY reason people are upset is because they think Nintendo owns design concepts. Pokemon is a turn-based game, and Palworld is a 3rd person shooter. Palworld is similar to Pokemon as it is clearly a parody game. At the very least it gets Nintendo to get off its lazy behind and actually innovate its games because I'm disappointed with how complacent they've been with their past games. The Palworld slander just sounds immature all around; people are upset their legacy company has been challenged. Oh well.
The game settings are so customizable that its easy to play at ur own pace and not get too burnt out because grinding takes way too long in certain levels...i never felt pressured in the game
I got to level 45 with my main in one night... before i started over, i got my second character to level 30 in one night and i have a better base in a better location. Im learning what to do.
if the pepper was purple i'd be vibing with it hella hard, wanting to see it evolve too
that first fakemon is legit just honedge lol
I don't think Pokemon should be worried at all, but they should definitely take notes to what is making palworld as fun as it has been. Ignore any of the drama surrounding it, Pokemon could take the best of palworld and create a new Pokemon game with it.
A new pokemon game is said to be leaked and its gonna probably be like Legends Arceus. Hopefully it owns up!
@@2Navalie yeah hopefully. Pokemon already has a massive fan base, so if they just gave the fans a great game to play, they would always come out on top I'd think
Why would there be a palworld 2? This game is early access and was made by 4 people. If anything with the windfall of money this game will be just he bigger and better over time.. time will tell obviously but I think your view is a tad pessimistic especially with games like ARK having so much longevity despite being objectively boring and trash
It doesn’t even compete with Pokémon imo as a base genre other than the creature collecting being part of the game
I only was a die hard Pokémon during the first three generations. All i can say about new generations design is this: "They really designed a trash bag Pokémon?"
I don't think it's even "better packaging" that makes Palworld so good, Pokemon hasn't fucken innovated it's most successful franchise in aged, and now people can get Pokemon with something new, I hope that Pokemon makes a new game, and it's the same shit as always, so Palworld gets more success
Completely agree on the gaming burnout, legitimately hadn't played games in the last 2 years. Palworld has been a breath of fresh air honestly. I love survival games like Ark Survival Evolved so Palworld was a nice fit and has been a really fun time so far and I'm looking forward to updates.
I very much care for my pals and would buy Lamball Plushes in an instant.
Its now 2.1M peak btw
Palworld is just a fun survival game. With monster collection. If you think its pokemon competition you dont understand what either game is about
Palworld certainly doesn't stand well as a brand, but it *absolutely* stands well as a game, I imagine it'll be one of the long standing games like rust or Ark where they just keep updating and adding to this game rather than making a bunch of sequels.
The game was not finished yet is still at 60% so the possibility it’s gonna be higher or lower for the full game. I pray it’s gonna do very well.
i see this argument alot but lets take Dinossom design for example yes you can say it took aspects from 3 different pokemon but by doing just that you have already made a different and "unique" design therefore making it "not a copy" artists do this all the time when they do their art they take "inspiration" from from a bunch of different sources and combine and tweek them and proclaim it as their own work. sometime they even just change the art style.
There is only a handful of Pals you can say are rips offs from pokemon. but that is only a fraction of what this game is, they could change and replace all those Pals that the twitter and the internet want to cherry pick out and nothing would change the game would still do well because people like the game and it fulls a hole and want that people have wanted for a very long time. The pokemon stuff that people compare this game with is only about 10-20% of what this game is. Though keep this in mind the studio and staff behind this game had a pretty tight budget and yes they could of taken heavy inspiration from pokemon for the pals but pokemon was also in the same situation back with red and blue and they also took heavy inspiration from dragon quest for some of the pokemon because thats what alot of companies do on a budget. Its just that back in the day we didnt have the internet and the toxic culture we have today.
Sorry my comment is taking so long but to finish off, the 10-20% of the game i said was pokemon like are 3 things, the biggest being the art style which makes people compare it to pokemon but you cant copyright a art style so any argument there is useless. Second biggest being the handful of arguable rip offs but ive already said my stance on it and can be easily fixed in the future by replacing for simply resigning them now that they have a bigger budget and lastly is a catching mech which also cant be copyrighted and Nintendo cant own a mechanic same as with a art style. Personally i like both Pokemon and Palworld i just wish people would look deeper then the surface of a game and not be sheeps to what is said on the internet.
0:16 Number 5 most played ever?! Noice
number 2 now btw
Palworld took incredible risks that Pokémon needed to, but dared not. In a way, palworld did the dirty work needed to show Pokémon a path forward.
Palworld is a threat to Pokemon in the same way COD is a threat to WoW. I don,t know why this discussion even exists, they're completely different genre.
Cant wait for the TCG and plushies. Can we get lunchboxes as well in the Core Set Palworld TCG. I want a Nox extended art foil please and thank you. I want a Gumoss mug for work. Im an adult. Pokemon shmolemon
3:30 *CHUNKY BOI*
I love how strong palword is but i doubt he alone can make pokémon woried.
The problem with Digimon is that they don't found their game , like Cyber sleuth and Hacker's memory is AWESOME but at the end of the day they are more on the VN / JRPG style so people don't check it as much as they should
You say that like Digimon hasn't experimented with 5 completely different formats for mon games.
Digimon World 1 has hard to figure out raising mechanics, 2 is a grindfest dungeon crawler, 3 is a slightly less grindy jrpg. The DS games are also grindy, frustrating JRPGs. Savers PS2 is a standard jrpg, but had a mechanic that punishes you for not choosing moves your partner wanted to use. Cyber Sleuth and Hacker's Memory had good stories and gameplay but felt soulless in that you don't really care about your Digimon. Next Order is World 1 but somehow slower and less fun. Survive is mostly a VN which filters out a large number of people by its format alone.
If they made more of the Cyber Sleuth/Hacker's Memory style games, with a system where you can care more about your Digimon partner, I think Digimon might finally make an international hit.
@@benedict6962 yeah that's the problem pokemon has a main style and then experiments on the side, digimon just experiments
I've played for nearly 100 hours, and the closest to plagerism I've seen was direhowl, but it's just a wolf. (We don't talk about cremis). Also, it seems like someone hasn't been paying attention to the lore. (My favorite is Marcus who is both the head of the police, but also the leader of a drug cartell. He sells you drugs, busts you for possesion of drugs making you pay a large ammount for bail, and then resells the drugs he busts you for. Mans found an infinite money glitch.)
People thought the same about terraria, deadpool and while people didnt think this about overwatch, it is the same concept of taking others concepts and putting them in your game, like mercy is just medic with flight and theres a few others. And there also many other examples of this, and in my opinion terraria is 100x better than minecraft, so dont count palworld out so quick, because because this is exactly how terraria was marketed, side scroller minecraft with guns and magic.
Also Azurobe is 100x better than primarina, and the only thing they share is theyre feminine water creatures, i mean cmon ones a mermaid flattened by a pancake iron and the other is a elegant sea serpant.
I stop playing Pokemon after Emerald and never could get into the next ones.
But I still cannot see why people keep calling Palworld a Pokemon game with barely anything to do with that game, was disappointed that it wasn't a Pokemon game and more a generic survival game
So not sure why the appeal, there is Ark Survival were basically you can do the same and mod it to capture pokemon, add slaves and you have Palworld.
That's the game for me sadly, if you are having fun that's great, just that hope that many people keep stop saying is the next Pokemon game.
Forgive me Professor, I just finished playing New Pokemon Snap and it is amazing how much stuff they packed in there. The environments are so well done. 27+ courses... the original had 3, I think. The Mantines socialize and squeak like dolphins!! The tutorial insults your intelligence, well so what? It really doesn't even have that many actual tips in it either. Like it only holds your hand for like an hour if that.
I know this video is nine days ago but it’s now set to 19 million so yeah
As someone who grew out from Pokemon, this won't die down if they do ark like releases of pals and maps. And those who refused to play ASA play this instead.
They should only be worried they keep forcing gamefreak to make games with terrible timeframes, cuz thats only gone push people away slowly but surely
In case I didn't say, I was so happy to see you back! ☺️
Professor, where did you get that Pokemon jacket?
great video prof ❤
Please read the interview with the Palworld devs and you'll know exactly how Palworld came to exist. This game was made by a mostly inexperienced dev team that spent 1 whole month on just 1 Pal design and rig. The main goal of the CEO with this game was to 'make a fun game' first and foremost and they've succeeded. Even if Nintendo Sue's and they are legally required to change the designs the game will still be fun.
in an other Video i put a comment with a simlar tag that,
Digimon and DragonQuest Monster would be aso a perfect seting from Palworld.
you couild replace the Gun's with somothing Magic stuff and good.
and DQM "The Dark Prince" is a let down comper to DQM "Terry No Wonderland"
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the Palpagos Island is the File Island an and play a standed and get insted of the Tablet a Digivice,
and colect "wood data" from Trees to have the Digivice create wood structurs and stuff...
Digimon since the beginning was compared to Pokémon. I’m sick of this whole possessive mind set of Pokémon fans.
I think the benefit of "copying" Pokemon design is that it gets the whole internet talking about it. Free marketing.
Honestly, I think it's going to be the opposite. Pal world is likely going to spark a surge of similar games in the survival genre in the same way the Dark Souls formula is basically everywhere now days. Pal World will be held up as a gold standard, since it's incredibly well put together, until a new 'gold standard' survival/creature game comes along. Pokemon will also be compared to Pal World in terms of quality in the future, rather than the other way around.
Also, the further I get into the game, the more Pal Designs vary from Pokemon designs. Admittedly this is conjecture, but I get the feeling that the game pivoted from a 'parody' game to its own fully fledged thing at some point in development.
Finally, in terms of it competing with Pokemon, Pokemon's not going anywhere. Pokemon has a massive brand, and targets a different core audience.
The ghost pepper is just Fuecoco and Haunter mashed together. Brawlerina is just Hangyu with a slipper for a head. The bee one is just a Muk Combee.
It's pretty easy to take any design and pick one to two pokemon it resembles.
Neither of the bees look ANYTHING like combee lmao
@@knowingbadger Eh, I forget which generic bee pokemon is which. Just kinda go through the list, I'm too lazy.
frankly, most of the pals that are given as axamples of "plagarism" of pokemon, come from other thing than pokemon.
Take foxpark and the likeness with vulpix ppl complain about:
Both originally comes from the Finnish mythos of the fire fox, responsible for the aurora borealis.
Lucario and Anubis, both based of the misconception that Anubis has a jackal head, when in reality it's actually a wolf head.
Almost all the similarities, comes from them being from the actual same mythos in the real world...
cremis and evee, cremis is a letteral cloud+4legged creature, and follows all the naming conventions of cloud formation and naming conventions.
This is just some from the top of my head.
Then you have the mass of norse mythos inspired pals, where very damn pokemon they are set up against are nothing alike, even when they both was inspired from Norse mythos
I really like the vibes of this 2nd channel.
I think because they made this game as like a joke or parody of pokemon but like it's just really good
The main point why Palworld is Famous because of the Pokemon-like designs. Without it, palworld wouldnt have even the fraction of success than they currently have.
Palworld really seems to be the wake up call that most gamers only really play what are the most popular games at the time, Palworld included. So few are actually going out to look for games.
"I don't wanna play League or Valorant" as if there's aren't thousands of games out there
I mean, if they wanted to do a Sonic game with guns.. they can always do a Shadow the Hedgehog Game, they tried it once butwent too serious about it.
I would KILL for a Shadow the Hedgehog 2 under the frontier format, and with *_more weapons_*
If Pokemon were held to the same standard of "originality" as by which Palworld is being called bad, Pokemon would be called a lazy, unoriginal mess. Hell before the whole Palworld situation where people pretend Pokemon is the original author of every animal species, aerodynamics, mythological characters, geometry, etc EVERY generation was criticized for having lazy and unoriginal designs.
Same happened with Breath of the Wild. It's a generic open world game that lifted most things from other open world games then added Zelda to the mix, then Genshin showed up and fanboys acted like BotW is the creator of open world, goblins, Japanese orcs, cell shaded graphics, anime, cartoons, green grass, blue sky, clouds, rocks, water, etc.