The New MCU Sucks
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- Опубліковано 16 чер 2024
- Phase Four of the MCU has been a misfire. I’ve identified what made Phases 1 through 3 so special, and it doesn’t look good for the next few years of MCU films and television. The issue? There was no one to take Robert Downey Jr aka Tony Stark/Iron Man as the lead character of the MCU.
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Instead, they're trying (and failing) to make everyone as snarky as Tony.
^ facts
Doctor Strange was the only possible choice for a new lead. Sure, his character fits the role with his charisma and what not. With Infinity War building so much onto his character. But more importantly, Benedict Cucumber-patch is the only actor skilled enough to take on the full weight of the MCU in my opinion.
It amazes me how shortsighted they are... How do they not understand the damage they are doing to their own franchise? They're just ffing morons.
Dr. Strange should’ve appeared in wandavision and Loki. I don’t care about “Covid” they could just cgi himself in place or something, it’s been done several times before. His doctor strange movie should’ve been about doctor strange
Not only should Strange be the new lead, but also have Spider-Man, Black Panther, and Ant-Man play as co-leads/major support heroes; similar to Captain America, Thor, and Hulk. Have the next phase be focused on those characters, along with the Guardians of the Galaxy, and AFTER they do that can they introduce new characters (With the quality writers and directors to boost them up. Probably doesn't need to be said, but I felt like saying it).
It also makes sense to have Strange be the new lead since this phase has seemed pretty focused on this whole 'multiverse' direction. He's the perfect character all things considered.
The biggest problem with the current phase in my opinion (aside, but connected to the lack of any real leading character) is the fact that it seems Marvels projects are made completely and entirely independent of each other. Aside from a two second cameo/ad at the end of a movie/show. Feels like each movie/TV show has its own independent story/mechanics going on, and work against each other instead of with each other with each new release.
I swear the rules of the 'multiverse' have been switched countless times since Endgame.
This are literally my thoughts....sadly MCU is hell bent on making Dr strange a clown since his debut...so far only his first movie treated him like an actual character otherwise they just use him as a background character used to kick off plot and then disposed in worst way possible ....even in infinity war he was just there to kick off plot of avengers spitting and set up endgame ....and for that they just made him lose to maw ....like i get it that maw has telekinasis but Dr strange has so much more at disposal and he chooses what a rope to throw at maw ...i mean what is that supposed to do...in endgame we all know that Dr strange was just there to teleport army and then they just literally put him out of movie plumbing..... didn't even bothered to give him a rematch to maw or Thanos ...no way home again kick off plot for stupidest reason like bro you are responsible for whole multiverse's safety and you cast a spell which can affect both known and unknown realities to get somone into mit....then again worst way to put him out of movie ....defeated by spiderman in his own dimension....like writers couldnt think of better reason even i can think a better reason ...if movie showed that spiderman villains weren't only ones to enter MCU and numerous magical foes also entered the universe that would be realistic then only a few selected spiderman villains and Dr strange has do deal with it ...sure it's a spiderman movie and you don't want to lose the focus on spiderman so you could just adress it and keep the fight of Dr strange offscreen to be addressed in future ....or maybe give 2 min screentime divided in 30 seconds clips ......or just show some effects of fight on main earth ....but no they had to make Dr strange a clown ....and his 2nd movie ...i dont even wanna talk about it ...
They will just make him a clown and background character just to kick off the plot and then get rid of him ....and they will surely make one of Marvels as leader of team even if they don't have a quarter of capabilities as Dr strange
Yes. So much yes.
They easily could’ve made Dr. Strange and/or Thor the foundation. Dr strange could’ve been a more stable character in Wanda vision and Loki. Thor could’ve had his serious personality from IW and influenced the eternals project.
agree, but both of them (and Wanda tbf) are going through literal backwards character development due to directors not being invested in the franchise/ universe as a whole
@@standardbrah Hulk as well
Or fury
@@mirrorgg4119 Sam is too old now
Didn’t know Doctor Strange was on WandaVision, well, in fact, I never even watched any of the Disney+ original shows nor do I intend to.
The MCU feels very similar to Fast & Furious, Pirates of The Caribbean and the Transformers franchise, how they all pretty much had an ending (Endgame, Furious 7, At Worlds End & DOTM) and instead of letting them rest, the studio decided to milk the franchise because of how much money they made and because of it, audiences are now starting to get tired of it.
This is the perfect comment about franchises gone too far
I honestly enjoyed DOTM
i think you can also add star wars to the list
I didn't want to see this but buy you are correct 1000% correct
The thing about the MCU is that there’s genuinely enough material for them to be great in the long run. Shit writing us the thing letting us down.
The issue now is the writing. Back with iron man 1, you at least had a team invested in creating a compelling character with a thoughtful arc. Now they are more concerned with agenda and building up new, mostly female characters, by using them to tear down the greats we grew to love. This instead alienates the new characters they want us to love and then they criticize us for not immediatly loving them.
Spot on 👍. I’d go as far to say that they actually blame US for their failure as well!
@@GIBBO4182 I'm so tired of the "maybe manage your expectations" thing thrown at people who lob FAIR criticisms at the mcu
@@TheRibottoStudios 💯
@spidey_slayer_69 So is it equality or power that’s being sought with that mentality? Is it “we’re all equal” or is it “my turn to be that which I despised”?
Define agenda…this gets thrown around a lot but never any substance explaining what ppl mean by that.
We have Doctor Strange who could be the cornerstone of this new MCU, but they have to treat him wisely. Multiverse of Madness did not treat Strange with respect and it was a Wanda movie. We needed that civil war conflict between Wanda and Doctor Strange to grow. But oops its over. Bye. So long. We wasted that already.
Look how they massacred my boy 😔
@@TheMovieCynic I AM STILL UPSET WE DIDNT ACTUALLY GET TO DEAL WITH STEPHENS TRAUMA. Like that was my one thing. His guilt. His trauma dying millions of times. We did get Donna, but we never got *Stephen* being human with himself. We just got his unrequited love for the second movie in a row.
And I fucking love Christine, she's awesome. But Stephens trauma isn't Christine. It's his potential guilt over killing Tony Stark for the sake of the universe, dying 14mil times (not counting Dormammu). Stephen could have been a character with feelings and emotions but he's just; I love you in every universe I enjoy getting cucked uwu
@@TheMovieCynic it's what they did to her really Doctor Strange wasn't changed or have any development in MoM which is crap but he's kinda where you left him no reason why the next film can't be better, while Wanda has had some of the best development in the MCU and Olsen is an excellent actor Wanda Vision IMO is the best TV series they've done and developed her further, Doctor Strange happens and suddenly it's "oh I'm evil now" murder murder murder completely bit like Game of thrones, they needed a bigger set up to that
@@flemit35 I recently watched a video detailing different scripts for the movie and it had a much slower burn for Wanda turning but if we do a slower burn then we might bore our audience so nah can't do that gotta have the action right away.
@@JeromeSankara might have needed a film or another TV series to set up I think, Doctor Strange discovering the Multiverse (after investigating it due to the events of Spiderman) battling himself with more substantial versions of other MCU characters would have made a better film
Nothing will beat watching Hulk/Iron Man in 2008 and hearing they were gonna do a connected universe. Everything up to End Game was so fun. Everything just feels lifeless and generic now.
good old days😢
Yup, Endgame really was the actual endgame for the franchise.
We still have Wandavision, Loki, Multiverse, and No Way Home this phase. I still think those shows/movies carry the modern MCU at this point.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who remembers just how MASSIVE this moment was. People have rotten memories now about how awesome these guys were.
@@anakinthemannequin69 Loki was meh and everybody hated MOM which was q mess of a film. Only No Way Home was actually enjoyable and a decent film.
We already have good characters, all we need now are good writers!
Agreed. 💯💯
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The real villains 👍
My own opinion is dr strange. Question is who else?
One of the problems I'm seeing with modern marvel is how movies are more like setups for another movie instead of a good standalone film. It's like we're watching a 2 hour post credit scene lmao
That's always been a critique of the mcu since iron man 2
@@TheDCbiz no not really it still had a mapped out plot for the movie itself. And all built to something without abandoning the projects we saw it in. phase 4 just teases and has cameos
@@Reykh24 maybe that's how you feel, but the same critique you give is literally the same critique that has been given to mcu films from iron man 2 onward. How you describe those films I'd argue is phase four films. Multiverse of madness isn't just cameos, it does tell its own self contained story of strange learning to rely on others and to move on from Christine to learn to be happy. Same with Wanda learning she's been getting others with trying to escape to a false reality/alternative universe. Eternals is almost no cameos and very self contained. Sane with black widow and shang chi. Even nwh is about peter learning that with great power comes great responsibility
@@TheDCbiz nwh i agree with it has genuinely good moments where it seemed like the focus was on characters but Shang chi was fairly vanilla, Dr strange didn't focus on strange himself or his character arc at the very least for more than the time memory thing the writing was just the bloat we find in the MCU, black widow was badly written, Eternals was too over saturated to have the audience invest in anything with the large scale threats. NWH I'd say is the only good film to come out of phase 4 and you can't deny the huge dip in quality it has suffered out of Disney's greed to have it out without truly caring for what it's about. Its clear with how many projects are coming, how many will be really carefully crafted and how many will be factory produced.
Hit the nail on the head, my thoughts exactly!
I think Captain Marvel was supposed to be the centrepiece character, but they horribly miscast Brie Larson and don’t have a plan b. The most senior character is probably Dr Strange, so maybe him?
Thor could be a centerp...no, wait, Waititi assassinated him
@@moonknightish yep…I actually said something similar in another comment thread! He’s a 1 trick pony, it worked with Ragnorok, but that’s it!
I don't think they miscast Brie Larson she is good in the movie, the problem is her personality out of it and some of the choices in the movie.
@@flemit35 yep, dont think Brie Larson is the problem, more like shitty rushed writing as marvel struggled to make its response to DC's wonderwoman. Very unfortunate, I think if they spent real time and energy on Captain Marvel she could've been the new Iron Man but now its just terrible lol
@@flemit35 each to their own…I’m not a fan
I was hoping for them to develop Thor or Doctor Strange as the next anchors for the MCU, but given how their character were treated in their latest films, it’s unlikely.
Stark is not just a superhero, but a character that actually a person can relate to. He has his strength not by magic, not by serum, or by aliens, he has it with tech. Anyone, especially children and teenagers can dream of becoming Tony. And that's why this character is so successful. I had a dream like that too when I see the Iron man movie for the first time. Playing with robot and computer programs.
T’Challa should have been the new backbone of the MCU but unfortunately we all lost him
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true, a key component for sure. RIP CHAD
good character and well casted, but black panther was only even in 3 films if Im not forgetting any so he doesn't really have the screen presence needed. it should have been thor if they didn't butcher him, he has been in 7 films I think and has been around much longer
*yes, tragically he’s not with us anymore, are they goin to recast him or ?????*
this is just an absurd idea
Actually, Doctor Doom as the new anchor sounds like a good idea. If secret wars is held on battle world, then technically everyone will end up there anyways and that completes the multiversal saga. Interesting to use the villain instead of the hero. But Disney won’t be that risky.
people just hate on phase 4 because the internet tells them to. This guy made a video asking who the new iron man is, and majority of people commenting and the creator of this video don't understand that was established right after end game.
Spiderman far from home establishes Spiderman is the successor to Iron Man, and that's what Iron Man was grooming peter for
But hey, people need content
"people just hate on phase 4 because the internet tells them to" ohh no shit. You must be a typical Marvel low standard fan if you think that lol
And if you see Peter Parker/Spider Man as the new "Tony Stark/Iron Man" after NWH, you must have a special perception of things lmao. Even Kevin Feige himself stated that Spider Man will be up to street level threats during this saga (and after that NWH ending, yea it makes sense), and plus his character still has a lot to go through
@@king_vision4085 why do you even think they hate new MCU in the first place?
Cuz it's straight doo doo
@@king_vision4085 you can put this comment how many times you want. People hate new MCU because it sucks and it ruins old characters (wink on She Hulk even though Hulk was ruined even before)
I think there's a lot of potential with the new MCU characters introduced.
Problem is the writing team isn't really given much TIME to flesh out the story beyond the basics. Hell Sam Raimi outright said he didn't even see WandaVision which is SO obvious.
12 projects in ONE YEAR is absolute insanity and the quality is gonna suffer for it.
I’ll probably end up making this a video series. There’s a lot wrong with the MCU and you highlighted a major one.
People like Taika Waititi are bringing the franchise down more than anyone. Taking original Avengers like Hulk and Thor and making them into a joke for no real reason is what bothers me. He’s become the Rian Johnson of the MCU.
@@sumbigdumkunt yeah I’m not a fan of him…he’s a 1 trick pony, we’ve seen it now. It was Ragnorok, and it worked…ONCE
@@sumbigdumkunt the problem is he didn't listen to the criticism of Ragnarok. He only saw the praise and turned it to 11. Thus killing Thors character. Raimi has good directional skills for the mcu but that's nothing when you have a bad script to work with
@@TheRibottoStudios He went along with that bad script though, he has some responsibility in the movie turning out the way it did.
I feel like they're trying to introduce a "new Tony Stark" with all of these new characters by making them witty and whatnot, but the problem is that it doesn't work. Tony Stark could be witty and arrogant because he was a billionaire playboy philanthropist with one hell of an ego, but over time, his ego began to soften while still remaining outwardly the same. If there was a problem he had to overcome he'd sit down, study, research, experiment, fail, then get back up and give it another go. But many of these new characters seem to skip all that and remain the "witty, sarcastic, strong and independent character". If they fail it's the fault of the other, if they win, it just strokes that ego, and all their ego and confidence only stems from them being "strong". Virtually nothing about them softens and they don't learn anything that sticks with them throughout their future appearances, only how to control their power or something but then master almost immediately.
I also want to throw out that all of the new characters being introduced are the archetypal "strong independent woman", the only male characters are sidelines mentors and Spider-Man, whom everyone in the world forgot. I wouldn't have any problem with a mostly female team, but the only main problem there really other than what hasn't already been said, is that once they all come together, it's essentially a group of people with the exact same personality.
In the first Avengers, everyone was different. Tony was still a little egotistical and rude, Steve was a bit self-righteous, Bruce was anxious and paranoid, Hulk was out of control, Thor was pretty belittling, and Clint and Natasha could only rely on each other and were too formal with the others, and all of them were forced into a room together. But as they worked together all their flaws and preconceptions began to dissipate. While they still had a few fights, they only ever got serious when it came to very personal things, but ultimately they began to be friends and started working together with any new additions to the team while still maintaining similar chemistry they had with their old teammates. Their difference in strength didn't matter in their dynamic, it was their difference in character and principles.
Now that each of these new additions are a cardboard cut-out of the last one, their personalities are simply too similar to garner interest yet create friction for an appreciable dynamic. It's like that one scene from Rick & Morty where Jerry clones himself and some of the clothes are actually trying to solve a problem, while the other more egotistical clones are too focused on themselves to actually do something meaningful.
The fact that only Dr. Strange and Bruce are sort of part of the team yet they're not even allowed to be decent mentors to their successors by the writers, and Spider-Man has been forgotten about by everyone, and most of the other older members are more of a B-team group who we have no idea what they've been up to since or are just doing their own thing, Thor is being Thor, I don't really have high hopes for the next Avengers.
Other than a new Spider-Man movie, I'd say the only film that I know of that would make for a passable watch would be the next Shang-Chi movie, simply because seeing the students of Wong and Strange interact might be funny. Or if they decided to make a whole new movie with Infinity Ultron without plot armor, because Infinity Ultron was badass.
I agree, Doctor Strange is probably one of the best choices for an anchor considering the MCU's expanding universe. It's ok that they made him backseat in one of his movies as long as they put the focus back on him in future movies should they dare try again.
My friend summed up the current MCU so well in one sentence, “who the hell goes to see Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness because they care about Doctor Strange as a character?”
That's nothing new though, I didnt and still don't care about Ant-Man, The Guardians, Black Panther, and Tom Holland Spiderman, but I still watched their movies to know what was happening overall
@@mustang8206 But the difference now is that literally no one is as invested in the current saga as they were back then. There is zero clear story arch happening over the movies and shows. During those movies you saw, you know what it was leading to. Nobody is as invested now as they were leading up to Infinity War and Endgame
@@mustang8206 wow that is a lot of people you don't care about
Yes! There’s been no core to phase 4, and certainly no one as charismatic and exciting as Stark to take on that role.
He’s the most human and most “normal” of the Avengers, so he’s our window into that world. He’s also the character most deliberately taking on the role of superhero, which makes him the strongest protagonist. And yet all he has is his own ingenuity and technology (and a crap ton of money).
The others are there somewhat by accident, or as a byproduct of their past struggles and tragedies.
That first Iron Man movie really tapped into technological optimism as well. It’s hard not to get excited about it.
I'm actually happy to see that I wasn't the only thinking fase 4 felt really empty without RDJ's Iron Man. Until now I thought maybe I was just not over his death and maybe that's why I wasn't enjoying fase 4, but now I see that he was our familial eyes in the MCU. He was the human in the team, a character we were always rooting to be better even with his flaws and we honestly saw grow the hard way. Now there's nothing like that, because every candidate to the position is : a humanized agenda or "perfect" without a lesson to learn.
Cap and Tony were 1a and 1b. Without either of them Marvel is completely lost.
Nah, Cap is the Cyclops character while Tony is the Wolverine to the MCU.
@@petercartman Nah Cap and Iron Man were Superman and Batman
@@mustang8206 nah iron man is superman and batman, he has good technology and rich, and have de facto superpowers
Iron Man is the best Avenger all around. Always will be. Just getting that snarky humor and the satisfying suit-up scenes was already such a formidable and feel-good baseline of every movie.
I will never Forgive Russo brothers for giving us Fat Thor🤕, Mini Hulk 😵💫
Also, they always cast their hideous offspring in the movies
@@deeem2628 😂😂
This is spot on. The writing has been pretty bad since Endgame. I didn't hate Hawkeye or Ms. Marvel. Moonknight wasn't awful... Thor straight up sucked and Multiverse of Madness was just a huge disappointment, but I've been able to find some enjoyment from them at least. Certainly not compared to what came before them, but I had to throw in the towel with She-Hulk. It's the worst show I've ever watched personally. Agenda > Story. Looking at who we have going forward it's really hard to imagine anyone replacing the original magic that RDJ and Evans brought to the table. If they'd give the women some actual adversity and a compelling story arc that doesn't just center around their opposition to the men around them it'd be great, but that just hasn't been the case so far. I've seen everything Marvel has put out so far, but unless they pull back the agenda some and get back to actual storytelling, I might have to dip out.
Loki was the first MCU anything that I just didn't finish watching. I knew exactly what it was going to do with Loki, I knew exactly what the "mystery Loki" was, and I knew exactly how it was all gonna be handled. I wasn't interested. I'm still interested in finishing Moon Knight after looking forward to it so much, but based on what I've heard about the finale, a lot of interest went out the window. "Are you an Egyption superhero?" "I am." Cringe... I didn't even bother with Ms. Marvel, a character who has potential to be good, but a character that never will be so long as it insists on a dishonest, sitcom caricature of being a child of "traditional" Pakistani Muslim immigrants to America. She-Hulk is just outright cringe for a plethora of reasons. Shang-Chi was pretty good, Spider-Man: No Way Home was way better than it had any right to be, and Hawkeye was better than I expected. I didn't like that Kate Bishop was the POV character and not Clint Barton, but I appreciated that it didn't disrespect Hawkeye as a character and that they managed to make Kate Bishop into a likable human being. Falcon & the Winter Soldier was mostly fun, but the writers/showrunner didn't have the intelligence to handle these weighty themes with any degree of nuance, skill or tact, and you can definitely tell they cut things out of the story (the manufactured pandemic storyline that was supposed to happen would've been cool and uncoincidentally rather evergreen). Lot of potential and passingly entertaining, but half-baked with weak writing and direction where it desperately needed the exact opposite. What If was radically inconsistent, but all in all, it was solid with the exception of maybe one or two episodes. The Dr. Strange episode is easily the best thing out of Phase 4. Wandavision was really great, but I describe it like a beautiful gymnast that does an incredibly well-performed routine until right at the very end when she face plants or breaks an ankle. All in all, it all comes down to weak, inexperienced and agendas driven writing and direction, where too many of them are just people who want to parasitize off of the franchise's popularity for their own interests and ambitions, they don't care anything about and have little interest in learning about the material they're actually adapting, and I bet they resent the fact that they have to lower themselves to doing cape stories in order to get their voice out there, on top of resenting the fact that a lot of them are diversity hires whose work gets scrutinized by actual fans who have a modicum if expectations for the adaptations they clearly don't care about honoring.
Pls get help
@@ManOf__Tomorrow If you could elaborate a little bit...
@@Tyler_W loki was actually better then other shows .. if you don't wanna watch just bcz theirs a female protagonist. You are an idiot.
Lady Loki is a character that has real human emotions and motivation . But the show doesn't take away the main focus of the show. That is loki (Tom) what the show does is actually pretty cool and gives us more perspective of him which makes him even better character then he was before.
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If you watched moonknight ep6 Godzilla vs kong fight and enjoy it then theirs really nothing I can do. Cz u seem to really hate female perspective.
If they fumble the bag with Fantastic Four, I'm done
Should be Dokter Strange now but he’s been put to the background for some reason, even in his own movie…
Strange would’ve been a pretty good fit for the lead role. But nope.
We just need good characters that's all
Agreed. And good stories
And better writing, and CGI.
@@tobias9246 the cgi is fine if the movie isn't rushed
@@orkaydk9430 Nope, the CGI has looked like crap for some time now.
@@tobias9246 bc the projects have been rushed. We didn’t need 14 productions after Covid, we could’ve just gotten 3-5 projects per year like usual
Up until No Way Home, I thought that they're planning for Dr. Strange to fill the void. Him not being the Sorcerer Supreme is actually a good thing since it allows him to do more heroic stuff while Wong being Sorcerer Supreme deal with the more global scale (or should I say, multiversal). Kind of like how Tony and Steve is the figurehead of The Avengers but Nick Fury as the Director of SHIELD is the one that tie them all together. It also fit the theme, as the MCU when Tony at the lead is more on the technological side and now moving to the mystical side of things, Strange is just fit for the role. But yeah, they screw that up with Multiverse of Madness (I like the movie, but they really butchered Dr. Strange character there). They still can fix it, but it won't be easy.
Tom Holland Spider-Man wouldn't really work as a primary figurehead. Aside from the obvious Sony problem, I can't see him standing equally with the likes of Dr.Strange, Thor and Captain Marvel. Tony meanwhile always had an equal footing with Captain America and Thor. In Universe, not popularity as Spider-Man is obviously the most popular Marvel character.
Thor could work if it was Infinity War Thor, current Thor is a joke and I don't think they'll turn the character around anytime soon. I love Ragnarok & IW Thor, there he have a good balance of joke and badassery while LaT just makes him really dumb (Jane was really good tho-). Same for The Hulk but he's already being butchered far back (Not that he's ever have any potency as main character anyway).
Black Panther as you said would make for a great Captain America replacement, but we all know what happened.
Captain Marvel actually would make a good second lead. An opposition to character like Dr.Strange. Instead of a good-natured character like Steve Rogers we get someone who is more antagonistic. It'll make an interesting dynamic. However Marvel desperately need to develop her character first.
All in all, Its also interesting to see a Villain like Doom fill such role. I just don't really know how that will work exactly.
Steve Rogers too. The dynamic was amazing and lead to one of the best fights ever
Steve was my favorite 100%. We need both.
@@TheMovieCynic cultured take
I think spiderman taking the mantel couldn've been awesome. Imagine seeing spiderman lose everything and for him to turn into the greatest hero
No Way Home... killed this possibility.
"Jesse we have find competent writers".
As someone who's enjoying Phase 4, you're right. We have yet to have our RDJ, our Iron Man, our central point. Hopefully Reed or Wolverine, but we're missing Iron Man for a reason.
Even the addition of the fantastic Four is going to be weird, because while 10 years ago it would have been amazing to see Reed Richards and Tony Stark on screen together, by the time 2024 comes around it might just be like, Reed Richards hanging out with Moon Knight and the Guardians of the Galaxy. You can't celebrate bringing characters to a new interconnected universe if the new Universe is already kind of falling apart.
What do you enjoy out of phase 4?
@@amicandapulse Ah man woulda loved Tony-Reed interaction. At least we'll have Reed-Spidey interaction. But yeah I definitely see and respect your point.
not trying to be an asshole, but what exactly do you like about phase 4?
@@stevenwoods5787 well there is NWH, shang chi, and moon knight
Honestly, after Endgame I was seriously hoping they'd lean into Spider-man knowing he had to help establish the next wave of heroes. He had the pressures of being the next Iron Man, and didn't want to - so why not have him help ease in the new Avengers because like Tony he realized the earth was defenseless and needed a team. I thought this wave was meant to introduce the Young Avengers, i.e. Wandavision with Billy and Tommy - Loki with Young Loki - IronHeart (because it was going to happen) - Hawkeye to Kate Bishop - the then unnamed Hulk related media with Hulking, Ms. Marvel (it's in the title) - and America Chavez somewhere somehow. So I was confused when we went full blown multiverse so fast while simultaneously being introduced to these other other characters (such as the Eternals, Moon Knight, She-Hulk, Morbius). The issue is as you said, the direction of everything just seems without focus. If they had wanted us to love any newcomers, then why not built upon a team that some audiences were already familiar enough with and make them better. We could have had a core team similar to the dynamics of the Teen Titans, beloved and all but different enough as to be their own thing outside of our "Justice League" figures (Phase 4). By Phase 5 we could have then had them meet with other heroes from throughout the multiverse (their stories established through their own solo films or shows). That way you can still have your Moon Knight, your Shang Chi, and anyone else - but we could experience this ride through the eventual meet-ups with our established team (which was the essence of everything leading to Infinity War). And if not the Young Avengers, then okay - whomever, just pick a focal point before we start jumping into these huge cosmic events because without an anchor the ship is risking being pulled out to sea and no one wants that.
Oh, and can we for the love of Marvel let these new heroes earn their own mantles? I don't want Hulkling shitting on Hulk, or Kate besting Hawkeye 'cause of girlpower, or Billy belittling Wanda 'cause of boypower either. Respect the legacy characters. Give us the hero's journey for every new member else forget it.
Dude…. It’s like you reached into my brain, took out the thoughts and placed them into well edited video in a more articulate manner than I ever could lol Agreed! 100000%
God I miss Tony Stark, that character inspired me to try and create a crappy AI just to feel like a badass genius, and I was able to make a somewhat functional one aswell! He was an inspiration, seeing him struggle to survive in the desert in the first ironman and work his way up by constantly one upping himself to the point where he was able to fight a titan with the infinity gauntlet somehow felt believable even in this sea of superpowered individuals, and he gave me some hope that one day I might be able to accomplish something truly extraordinary
You absolutely nailed it in the ending where you say that we are not there for the logo. We want compelling characters!!
Totally agree with you. RDJ and Iron Man were the core of that franchise, and after Endgame, they should've made Doctor Strange the next central character. He's perfect for it. Cumberbatch is excellent, and the character has the right personality, the right history, and the right power set for a multiverse saga. What's so shocking to me is people like Feige should have seen this and related problems coming, but evidently they didn't. Or maybe they're just so over confident now that they don't care because their movies make so much money.
I love your content brother, looking forward to alot more of it. The member berry munchkin voices are hilarious. You have a straight forward, sacarcastic, hilarious and genuine perspective on films and entertainment. Keep up the great work! Grateful for your content and grateful to be a supporter of yours! 💯
That really means a lot, I truly appreciate your support!
@@TheMovieCynic you're welcome brother!
I was thinking about this a couple times and honestly you hit the nail in the head, you’re completely right. This really is the biggest problem with the universe rn. They need that main character. Honestly I think Doctor Strange could work and there’s even rumors that he’ll be the one to make the big sacrifice in Secret Wars. They can definitely do it again, it’s just about finding the right character and actor. Mr Fantastic, Wolverine, Black Panther if Chadwick didn’t pass, FUCKING DOCTOR DOOM I loved that you gave him a shout-out that’s a great idea that would be different and definitely bring in fresh life to the universe, and audiences have shown that they dig that, look at Thanos. People wanted him to win! I loved the video too bro the editing and the humor was great keep it up you earned a sub
Thanks man, glad you enjoyed the vid. Doom is my personal pick for the new lead character if I had a say, and you’re right-we all appreciated Thanos. Doctor Doom could definitely work.
@@TheMovieCynic we can hope bro 😢
"Honestly I think Doctor Strange could work and there’s even rumors that he’ll be the one to make the big sacrifice in Secret Wars."
Fuck, I really, really HATE this kind of meta forecasting bullshit. I bet when they focus group the ending of these movies based on social media comments like this that everybody will think they're smart for spreading random rumours about what's become a bait IP.
Kevin feige said a white guy will never be the lead of the mcu again.
Dr strange and Dr doom will be a great combination. :)
Great video, came over from Lewis' recommendation after watching his video and I really think you guys hit the nail on the head with the problem with Phase 4. There's no foundational story that has been setup like there was with Phase 1 and the Infinity Saga overall. Even if rumors of the Doom reveal at the end of Wakanda Forever pan out, there's nothing connecting Moonknight to Shang Chi to the Eternals to She-Hulk. It just a bunch of stuff thrown in to get mixed in a blender. I'm happy to eat my words if by the time we get to the end of Phase 6 in 2026 or so but I don't see that happening.
*”even though it’s trendy to hate on that movie now” damn bro YOU ARE ON POINT !! No way home rules* 👊
I really think they should’ve made the Spider-Man that character. He’s closely related to Tony anyways, but we now get to see him in a unique situation for this universe, where he’s all alone. And instead of being iron boy jr he’s Spider-Man. The brand is hype enough, and the stories you could tell with Spider-Man are so out there. Big L on Marvels part
The issues are numerous, like you said there's a serious lack of respect for the craft of writing scripts, and they value pushing agendas far more than storytelling. But they're also hiring writers and directors that have no respect for the prior characters or films. This phase it seems like an intentional choice to tear down previous heroes in order to make the new ones look better.
I definitely agree that they've spread themselves too thin, but there's also a sense of apathy from Marvel studios in terms of keeping their universe consistent, and I think it's because they feel they've gotten to big to fail, and they can just phone it in now. All of this phase has been laden with comments from writers and directors that should honestly have been embarrassing to the studio, but they don't seem to care
5:47, I think the fundamental problem is that now there is an obsession with franchising every superhero movie rather than telling a single self-contained story and that the result is that they refuse to have any of their movies be stand-alones despite the advantages than a stand-alone movie can have. One of the best things about Moon Knight is that unlike the other Disney Plus shows it wasn’t reliant upon the audience having watched virtually every Marvel Cinematic Universe property there was and as such could be independently enjoyed. (Unlike WandaVision which presupposes knowledge of Age of Ultron, Civil War, Infinity War and Endgame or Falcon and Winter Soldier which relies upon hefty knowledge of the Captain America trilogy and last two Avengers movies, or Loki (which at least sums up Loki’s greatest hits in a clip show in the first episode) or What If which is specifically retelling stories based on slight deviation or Hawkeye which relies on Endgame, Black Widow and Daredevil or She-Hulk which is by its own admission a “cameo every week show”.
I think I agree...
I agree that Strange SHOULD have been the anchor. He is the most like Tony Stark, but they simply put haven't done enough with him to make it work.
I know they intended to use him in Wandavision, but cut him because apparently they didn't like the narrative of a guy coming in to fix a problem Wanda created - but ironically, it might have helped bridge Wandavision to Multiverse of Madness and helped this issue, considering he's in Far From Home as well.
I think if you were to watch the films themselves, this issue might not have been as bad, but with the TV shows, it's just broadening the world, making it feel less cohesive. I think the TV Shows are a big problem generally tbh.
It's the Multiverse Saga, Strange could have been the center player of this one and connect every new players together but it seem like they held him back for some reason and using Wong instead and Wong doesn't seem anything damn thing aside from appear then and there.
I always wish Iron Man was still here in the MCU, he’s supposed to be here for so many storylines. We don’t see Tony interact with mutants or Osborn or Reed and even Doctor Doom.
Honestly right now you are probably the most concise spot on movie critic I have ever encountered. wow. it's like you're thinking everything I'm thinking and more. Stay original, don't sell out and keep up the great work man. amazingly well done with your writing. from now on this is where I'm stopping by before I go to see a movie.
Thank you Alan, that means a lot to me. I hope future content continues earning your viewership and support 🙏
First of your vids I've seen. Great work, that Drinker/ The Message bit got me good lmfao.
2:04, I believe it but my problem with the earlier phases of the MCU is that they kept on regressing Iron Man’s character arc when a new movie came along which after a while became quite grating
Thank you for the video. You've raised an interesting point I had not previously considered.
I’m glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching
That's the interesting thing about the MCU's current state. They have all the best ingredients, decades of stories and characters (across hundreds of comic book issues) in the world and the money and talent to make it work.
But then they decided to replace it's hard working, reliable staff with amateur, entitled "chefs" like Taika Waititi who don't even know how to scramble eggs.
It’s agenda and activism…more woke crap.
@@mickeybeavison1053 both are true.
I have been thinking about this for a while now and I honestly think that Spider Man should be the next Iron man. I mean like No way home sent him back to his roots and that would've been the perfect opportunity to build up from there towards Secret wars. It would've been the perfect opportunity to do so.
He certainly is suffering enough, something I feel is critical for a backbone character to go through. That was the beauty of Phases 1-3 - these heroes were all forged through pain and experience. Characters like She Hulk and Captain Marvel haven’t - or, if they have, Marvel hasn’t shown us. It’s like all of their origin story happens off screen so we can’t relate or care.
Would have been perfect if they had wiped everyone's memory of Peter
With the amount of Wong cameos in Phase 4, it’s not a stretch to say Marvel wants Wong to be the new Tony Stark
Seeing Doctor Strange get sidelined in his own sequel was heartbreaking for someone who was a big fan of him. I was looking forward to seeing them flesh Doctor Strange out into the new heart of the MCU but they completely fumbled the plot and his characterization. Now nobody even cares about Multiverse or Madness. Even the Wanda Stans have seemed to move on from it.
I was so excited for MoM. I’m pretty sure I even mention so in my “MCU Phase Four Sucks” video how much I was looking forward to it. Maybe a little too much, because it not only crashed and burned, I made a scathing review of it. 😝
@@TheMovieCynic yeah I feel you
My biggest issue with these new actors (products more like it) and shows/movies is that it feels so uprooted and disjointed from what the original idea was. They don't sell you on a character or draw you into the universe like phase 1 which felt so grounded and is in part to the writers but just the performances. Rdj was on his A-game every single movie even if it wasn't the best movie he was in. Charlie cox showed that we can have good TV shows which decent budget so long as the writing was there the actor could also be there. I've simply lost most of hope at it being able to recapture that excitement and the last movie to do that for me was no way home but only due to the phenomenonal actors as the villains/hero.
Its great to see you growing so fast man your content is amazing
Thank you my friend 🙏
I have a question.
How would a new Iron Man save the MCU from bad writing? I mean, REALLY bad writing.
It definitely wouldn’t. But I’ve touched on bad writing in my other MCU videos, and was going over another problem they have in this one.
They need a straight man that's not Cracking jokes every scene. These characters need different personalities that would Clash if they all came together. Having everyone have the same personality, making the same jokes, and all getting along just fine is just so boring and safe.
I feel like Spider-Man was supposed to take up that mantle from Tony, but they didn’t really do it correctly. Other than seeing 2 more solo movies since endgame, we haven’t seen as much Spider-Man as we would need to even call him the new “centerpiece character”. Now part of this is Sonys fault, because apparently Spider-Man was supposed to appear in falcon and the winter solider and she-hulk, but was rejected by Sony to do so, but again, Marvel is still to blame for trying to make their centerpiece character so hard to put into a ton of projects.
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I love how you make a reference to the critical drinker. Him and you are like the two main youtubers I watch concerning the current state of the mcu and more. Keep doing you!
Will do, thank you for watching!
I get all my MCU updates by watching spoiler reviews because I don't even care enough to avoid spoilers.
I would say someone out of the guardians since they're one of the few characters I (and I imagine many people who loved the first 3 phases as much as I did) still seem to care about but guardians 3 will probably be the last movie for all those characters.
Charlie Cox as Daredevil is another candidate as people who've seen the netflix show love the character and his portrayal, but I can think of no way daredevil can fit into all the multiversal multidimensional story arcs (I'm not a comic reader so I don't know if something like that happens in the comics though).
It’s so hard to give a determined answer on who could be the new face because there’re characters I want to see more of/think could have an interesting through line but I’m not sure people would be invested enough in them/I’m unsure what arc they could go through at this point.
My first instinct is to say Rhodey. He’s one of the original side characters who up to now hasn’t received nearly enough attention as a character. He’s connected to Tony in that they were best friends, it’s someone who we are familiar with who could take on the mantle of “new face.” Except the issue is he’s been around since phase 1 and they’ve barely done anything with him. At this point I doubt there’d be enough interest to warrant him taking on the position. But also I’m unsure what arc we could put rhodey through for a through line.
Bucky would be someone who could have the weight of the fallout of Endgame/Steve’s departure which from my understanding FAWS tried to do (I refused to watch that show but maybe I should go back and do so now), but the focus sounded to be more on what Sam felt. Bucky could’ve been the guy who, as Steve’s best friend, tried to continue Steve’s legacy in protecting the world, as well as working through his own demons and past. I’d say no to Bucky though because he’s not charismatic in the way Tony was, he’s more like how you placed Black Panther.
I WOULD have said Dr. Strange until they assassinated him in Multiverse of Madness….need I say more.
Hear me out, and not necessarily as the only figure head at the front more of a side support, but Loki. I think the decision to kill off the main timeline Loki in IW was the wrong choice. Modern Hollywood has a habit of giving a character a redemption arc/partial arc and then immediately killing them off instead of allowing us to see where that character can go from there. Loki at the end of Ragnarok seemed to have mostly turned another leaf, deciding to stay at Thor’s side presumably as an advisor. Then IW happens and they kill him off. And the reason I say all this is because CLEARLY Marvel wanted a “good” Loki to play around with that’s WHY the show exists but instead of a Loki who naturally went from egotistical asshole with a chip on his shoulder to a damaged man who loves his brother and his people despite everything he’s put them and himself through and returns home to be with them, we get a 5 minute scene of Avengers Loki watching his other self’s journey. It doesn’t hit.
What they should have done was kept original Loki alive, either have him end up in space with Thor or send him to earth with Bruce to warn the avengers. The team would be forced to confront a lot of old wounds, a lot of struggles that forced them together in the first place. It also would have made sense to have someone on the team who knew Thanos well enough to strategize a better plan.
My point is Loki could have made for an interesting, prominent figure in the new MCU (which again they seem to want but the screwed it up) as an ex-villain who now has to face the reality of the things he did to the people of earth, to his own people, and to the avengers team. We also could have gotten closure on Loki’s arc in regard to Thanos, let Loki fight in the final battle, let him actually prove to Thanos that he is a true son of Odin, a prince, and someone to not take lightly. IW even gave us the bit during his scene where we call back to avengers 1 when he repeats Tony’s “we have a hulk” line. Yes I know it was a callback but I kinda saw it as signifying Loki’s decision to be on the right side for once.
Point here is, Loki shouldn’t have died and the Loki we have in phase 4 should have been the main timeline’s Loki.
As for a villain character, we COULD have a villain as the face of the MCU in Wanda if they hadn’t butchered her arc. Wanda as a villain could have worked if they’d taken the time to build it. For one, if you want the Westview/WandaVision plot, it should have taken place in between IW and Endgame. Wanda doesn’t get dusted, she lives and still grieves vision. It could also make more sense because in that 5 year span of time, maybe she still does the end, forces the people of westview into her “game.” But she actually gets stopped by the government and taken in, imprisoned for the remainder of time. Maybe Nat and the others offer her a deal to get her out on good behavior if she agrees to help with the time heist. Maybe she agrees but screws it up all to save vision. Maybe she doesn’t mess it up but still harbors vengeance and anger and still gets her fight with Thanos, but by the end still isn’t satisfied and still wants her family back and then we can have more time to build up to the darkhold if they’re that keen on using it. Build up to Wanda’s need for power and her grief driving her. We could have had something interesting if they’d done it right.
That was quite the rant on my part. If anyone made it this far, my apologies lol.
I think 5 things should've happened. 1) Dr. Strange should've been the focal point of the series and Wong could've been the person to represent him if they didn't want to pay for Benedict Cumberbatch cameos in everything.
2) Television Series should've introduced a cast of characters that would group up like the Defenders in Netflix (Defenders might've sucked, but dammit all if Netflix didn't absolutely kill it in most of those shows).
3) For Bigger stories that are going to play in the full Cinematic Universe in a big way, they should've been far more contained Mini-Series, instead of TV-Shows. Instead of 8 to 10 episodes, they should've told a coherent, long end narrative, with a full point to launching the MCU.
4) The timeline should've been so much better. Things should've been released while they were fresh in people's minds. To create this narrative.
5) I love the representation in the films and shows, but I would've made sure that we don't nerf our prior male leads, so that the women can be strong in comparison. I would've recast T'Challa by using the Multi-verse and setting up a plot structure that has this T-Challa dying a hero's death at the beginning of his movie, working with Dr. Strange to a close a dimensional riff, and a new T'Challa forms, and made the story around them coming to terms, figuring out if they can trust him. Where he still has a familial connection to all of them, they don't know him. But when he saves them from Namor, they come to respect him as king, and Shuri says, I still will not call you Brother, but I will call you friend. And he accepts that.
Here's how my vision of the MCU would've gone.
Loki Miniseries, where the focus becomes who is really in control of this timeline magistrate, and his other selves, all having gone through their redemption arcs (besides him), turn out to be hunted, because each for some reason or another escaped their timelines set out by the director of the timeline magistrate. Pretty much I would've trimmed episodes 3 and 4 and made it 5 episode show and kept Loki at the center of it.
Enter Spiderman: No Way Home as a consequence of all the multi-verses being formed, when the spell goes awry, and things happen, a special book has rewritten itself to alert of the multi-verse, and then the movie plays out exactly the same.
Shang-Chi could've hinted at some multi-versal pull from the rings, causing his father to share life and power with all that use the rings in other dimensions (thus preparing a McGuffin hunt as the MCU moves forward). I really enjoyed Shan-Chi and think it failed because of Covid more than quality (it could've probably honed in on the plot more, strengthened the reason for the father wanting stuff, and like I said, let us see that the creation of a multi-verse has affected our timeline in which these secret organizations now formed, and stuff like that). We get cameo from Wong at the end.
Wanda/Vision, the rise of the Scarlett Witch. Here we could've learned Dr. Strange was no longer sorcerer supreme, and wasn't strong enough to stop Wanda at the height of her mental breakdown. But it's made clear she's the villain. There are some things I think could've been done a little different, but again, I think the show was strong, if they didn't try to make her a victim, or make it like she sacrificed anything. Realizing she can't control her magic, she turns herself over to Dr. Strange, who locks her in a magic prison.
Eternals should've been a Mini-Series that turns into a movie in Phase 5. They could've explored all the plot points and stories over 6 hours, introduced us to a new Big Bad, eliminated all the unnecessary characters, and left us with a small group that could eventually help out in future shows.
Thor Love and Thunder: In search of a cure for her cancer, Jane Foster is called by Mjolnir through Loki reaching through a void, thinking that he could contact his brother. The shattered Mjolnir however causes Jane to fall through the multiverse, risking an incursion, he finds another way to pull Thor into the timeline. They end up in the chambers of the Gods outside of all time, as they have all retreated from Gorr, but their actions and travel will have alerted Gorr. So forth and so on. Playing up the Multi-verse completely, and the risk of Incursion on a small scale.
Doctor Strange In the Multiverse of Madness: This is where the incursion of the entire multi-verse is at risk. A Kang is seeking to reembody himself with his more wicked sides in control, and if he succeeds he will be in complete power of the Multiverse. McGuffin one. And the place where we introduce the complete big bad in the first hint that we know what we're building to. Though Dr. Strange is no longer the sorcerer supreme, he manages with the help of future heroes that will come out in Phase 5 from other dimensions. He now becomes something something of the Multi-verse. Then you have something big happen in the mid credit scene, another major event on this earth, threatening Wakanda, and he appears in Shuri's lab, saying, I need your brother's help.
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever: At the opening we see the Black Panther and his full army, fighting some big bad multi-dimensional force trying to get the vibranium. Shuri yells for him to pull back, but he can stop the event from happening, at the heart of an energy, taking all the energy and blowing up his suit and himself. He does it. The suit evaporating, we see his face, as Wakanda is saved once more, and his body tears through the multi-verse. Now weaken without a king, Shuri tries to reassemble her brother, tries to create technology that can access the multi-verse, and a year later she pulls through someone not her brother who says he is T'Challa, king of Wakanda. He's noble, regal, just looks different, but he recognizes Shuri and his mother. His story is one of tragedy in which Wakanda was destroyed and he failed to protect her, his family killed, his people gone. He was not strong enough. They don't know if they can trust him, but Namor, the man who in his world destroyed Wakanda, now comes to Wakandan soil once more. And it's his chance at protecting his country, whether they want him to or not. At the end, they come to trust this new T'Challa, and respect him, but he takes the mantle of black panther, but gives Shuri the mantle of Queen, as this is not his land. But he promises to be the protector of Wakanda, a servant of its shores (not yet ready or prepared to take the mantle of king for his failures in his own dimension... they don't get a risk of incursion because her brother's being went through the dimensional rift.
For T.V Series.
Falcon and the Winter Soldier could've set up a television team of American protectors, and people trying to destabilize the country.
Ms. Marvel, American Chavez (could've been a way to link the tv series to the bigger stories), Female Hawkeye, She-Hulk, and (I would've chosen another young person story instead of Moon Knight... maybe have used Iron Heart).
Female Hawkeye could've set up she-hulk, with Kingpin going to California, and attempting to assassinate Jen, and then Hulk making the painful decision to save her. Now we have a world big bad and we have Kingpin hire Titania to defend against She-Hulk, and Daredevil can then be reintroduced as he tracked Kingpin down.
American Chavez could've had her story told with Dr. Strange in the background and with Wong.
Moon Knight had his story, but find someway to connect it to American Chavez or to Ms. Marvel.
And then start talking about a Young Avengers, led by Falcon and Winter Soldier, who, not for nothing, are the group that defeat Kang the Conqueror in the comic books.
There were so many opportunities in these franchises and in how they were expanding that was just destroyed by Hubris, Greed, and the need for quantity over quality.
I echo what others have said: it is the writing. The example I point to is Thor. Look at Thor in Avengers Infinity War versus what we are given now in Love and Thunder. Whether you as a viewer enjoyed Love and Thunder or not you can't deny that Thor is no longer the character we saw in Infinity War. The other issue is quality and quantity of content, there is too much and it is being done to push the D+ subscription service.
Agreed that it’s a writing thing too; I’ve just touched on that plenty in other videos so I wanted to address an additional observation.
It's called a character arc. Obviously he's not the same as back in infinity war after endgame. Nor is he the same as 2011, 2013, etc.
i am kind of glad Stan Lee isn't around to see all the atrocities coming out of phase 4. just think about it: all his heroes, characters and even villians were birthed from his soul. and then in 2022, THIS is what a company is doing with his passion and life's work.
Very good video! Love the points that were made and the comparison between phase 1 and 4
you should do rewrite vids and video essays, really like your channel dude keep up the good work!!!!!!!
I just might. I have a lot of videos that are on the to-do list, but I’m hoping to ramp up production and would love to do some re-writes / fixes of butchered stories. Thank you for the kind words, I seriously appreciate the support! 🙏
Kang. Kang will be the one. Villain or not, he has the most potential to hold the whole universe together.
I know some say his introduction was mid at best and full of just exposition…but I genuinely think from the glimpse we got from Jonathan Majors, his charisma, his versatility and the fact he can appear in soooo many different variants of himself…if anyones to hold it down for all roads leading back to him….in my opinion…it’s Kang
We'll see, but seeing real life interviews with him... I wasn't sold on the versatility. He seemed to behave precisely how the character was in the episode.
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This is like saying that humans need water to survive. It's a scientific fact, my friend. Good video!
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it sucks how right you are about not making the anchor be a character owned by sony. i remember the spider-man cartoon having spider-man as the anchor (of course because it was his show) but it was like spider-man was the reason all these guys got together and it made sense even if he was the main character and of course he had to be the leader, it just kinda made sense for him to be the center of all the other heroes and why all the other heroes are here.
Indeed, and Tom Holland’s Spidey is pretty beloved (I have nothing but adoration for what he’s done with the character and where Peter is at right now). Marvel’s obvious Tony replacement is right there and they can’t (or won’t, rather) do a thing about it.
People were so excited so Spider-Man partly because of Dr. Strange, and were thrilled for Dr Strange 2. He had the chance of being the next cornerstone but they sidelined him hard in his own movie
I think the the dynamic between Reed and Doom can really make the mcu interesting again if done right
Agreed. It’d subvert expectations a bit too, because we’d have the cool, calm one versus the charismatic one like Steve and Tony, but it’d be hero and villain instead of conflicting superheroes.
Maybe I misunderstood you, but I'm among the camp of those that wasn't very impressed with No Way Home. I think for void of the nostalgia, the writing is mediocre at best. I'm quite disappointed with the MCU.
What’re your thoughts on Shang chi? I reckon that’s a positive for this current phase of marvel
In all of marvel Downey's character always made me look forward for Marvel's future, I always wondered what the Stark might be up to as he felt the centre of everything. Now it feels complete hotch potch with noone being the big main. Doctor Strange should've been the one for it but no today you can't have that.
I’ve been re-watching the originals. Stark is great, but we need a Cap, too.
I've been collecting comics since 1980, and been a fan of Marvel for almost 50 years. I topped collecting anything really new in 1996, although I do keep up to date somewhat And up to the end of Phase 3, I was so excited for every movie that came along, with the ending of the Infinity War Saga. I cried in theatres for both parts, was so immersed in each film, that I yelled NO at the screen for the first time in my life when iron Man got stabbed by Thanos. And now with Phase 4, and that last shit show we call Thor Love and Thunder, which is the first marvel movie I actually hated. I don't care about these new characters anymore. Bringing in some characters that have been around, what 9 years now (Ms. Marvel) they don't have the fan base and the longevity of the old school characters that for the last 3 phases, which have a history dating back to the 60's. That's why there was an older crowd in a lot of these movies, they grew up with these characters. Now, its just Meh. While I will keep watching because I need to see what happening for some awesome end phase like Infinity War, which I doubt. I used to buy every Marvel mov ie on Blu Ray to rewatch. Now, ever since Infinity War, I haven't bought one, because I don't want to rewatch what is happening now
We didn’t just lose Tony Stark in End Game. We lost them all :(
Wait, are the Iron Man clips you use in this video 60 fps? Never seen Tony put on the suit that smooth before...
Some are 60fps yessir
I will say that Shang-Chi was actually pretty good, that and No Way Home are by far the best two in Phase 4
Shang-chi had great cast and fights, but the script was so poor
I was disappointed with Shang Chi. No way home was amazing. But you're right with them being the two best of phase 4
@@RyckiTroll Shang-Chi had a decent script. I’d say better than the rest of phase 4 (other than maybe No Way Home). Wenwu was a great villain, and Awkwafina didn’t annoy me, so I call it at least ok. Not great, but still solid
The only Hollywood release I enjoyed in 2022 is The Batman 🦇🦇
I’ve enjoyed a handful of other films, but The Batman is tops for me.
@@TheMovieCynic Can you suggest some good movies to watch released in 2022 and 2021?
A handful that I’ve reviewed were very good: “the black phone”, “everything everywhere all at once”, “Top Gun: maverick”, “Sonic 2”. The movie “X” was a wild ride if you’re a horror fan, “The Northman” was also pretty great, “Tick Tick Boom”, “Nobody”… there was a lot of quality cinema for the past year and a half.
@@TheMovieCynic Thanks for the Incredible Lists 🤗. I am gonna watch em all soon. I gonna watch Top Gun: Maverick this week and I do like horror movies so gonna watch "X" this week only. I haven't been to theaters so often as I used to since Covid happened. I wanna return to theaters to a Blockbuster movie. I missed Top Gun: Maverick and The Batman in theaters. Should have watch em in theaters.
@@pranitvarma it might not be "cinema" but I thought bullet train was a pretty good comedy action packed movie. other than that the batman and black phone was my tops for this year.
How you forgot our great soccerer supreme wong, he was every where through phase 4 and will be everywhere until phase 6, I can see him being the main character in multiverse saga and damn he'll be the one to sacrifice his life to save the multiverse in secret wars. It would be emotional 😢😢
The guardians could have been a good focus in phase 4-5 leading up to secret wars since it deals with the sckrulls
They have hundreds of characters to explore but they are going with "what if the og ones were women?" mentality. Female Thor, Female Hawkeye, Female Loki, Female Ironman, Female Hulk... Show us ACTUAL female bad asses like Storm, Rogue, Sue Storm and others!
My thing is, i think folks are looking to deep to find the same magic the first four phases has, like have a center piece. However, with the aftermath of Infiniti Wars/Endgame, why would there be? The center pieces have died with just the side kicks left. And the side kicks are just as scared and still dealing with the aftermath mentally. Hawkeye showed this, Bucky and Sam, with even Dr. Strange feeling a void in the hero life. You can add Thor too, not done the best way, yet still implying the tiredness of the hero life.
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I think one thing they'll look to do, if the ratings go down is bring back Chris Evans as Captain America, bringing Robert Downy Jr back will be tempting for them both would feel cheap. an Ironman from the Multiverse may work with a different actor the obvious choice being Tom Cruise (they should do what they can to get him onboard in some way or another) Ryan Goslins not had a MCU role yet. I think they could do with somebody that's already a star.
The MCU is way too CGI-reliant for Tom Cruise to ever sign on in a major capacity; he's a firm believer in practical effects and making the movies as "real as possible" up to the point of endangering his actual life just to film his own stunts, including letting a dude try to stab him in the eye with a real knife held in place by a cable running up the actor's sleeve, or filming a fight scene atop an actual moving train (the set piece stunt for M:I7 that leaked in 2020 when someone posted a video they took while driving next to the train showing Tom and the film crew just chilling between takes atop the speeding train)..
He also demands to have a level of creative input on any film he works on, and as long as Marvel keeps being authoritarian about their projects, he's never going to sign on.
@@Madara8989 and that's exactly what the MCU needs, give him loads of money , bring in Christopher McQuarrie away you go.
No, I strongly disagree with you. First of all I don't believe that bringing back Captain America or Iron Man back through the excuse of the multiverse would save it. Heck I even believe they'll destroy their characters looking from the downhill the MCU has recently taken. Plus I don't believe that RDJ and Chris Evans would even accept to revive their roles.
@@user-zi8gv9ko1v I didn't say it would I said they'll look to do it and the actors will revive their roles especially Chris Evans because he's going to struggle to make the same money elsewhere.
@@flemit35 Then you get to the point where you have to cast him as a relatively low-powered hero fighting equally powered villains because superhero powers and feats are inherently impossible to do practically (while making them look real under even the worst scrutiny) beyond faking super strength with the use of foam props or super speed by using intricate wire-work to have the actor fake run while suspended above the ground (which I don't see Tom "I must run in a long-take in every MI movie" Cruise being ok with).
Cruise is the kind of actor who demands that he learn the skill that his character is portrayed as using; and that's just not possible when his character's unique skill is to shoot lasers from their hands or manipulate reality.
Yes and no.
Yes it does suck.
No - the usual fanboy cry we need to go back and tell the same story over again is wrong.
Just need better writing specifically - stories, character and plot, with more respect for continuity and a clear vision of future destination.
The current writers just aren't that good, or in the case of Taika Waititi - they are using too much cocaine and $crewing too many actresses and have lost focus on making good films.
i feel like they only really went with this whole multiverse thing was just to have a reason to bring back Tobey and Andrew back into spider-man, now that’s happened they’re like fuck what do we do now 😂
good points it would help a lot if they could get a central focus character
Im just gonna say right off yes a new RDJr is needed but what is infinitely more important is good writing.
Like dude just imagine a character like Iron Man existing in today's MCU. Would they really make She Hulk any better? An RDJ type guy couldve done wonders in the eternals but they make MoM or Black Widow any better? Maybe marginally but a dumpster fire is still a dumpster fire
Marvel is rotten on so many levels its alot more than just a couple issues but the primary one is definitely awful writing
I agree, but I touch on the bad writing in most MCU related videos. I realized the universe had another issue too. I’d even say that having an RDJ makes us a little more forgiving for some of the poorly written movies as long as someone like that is active in the universe.
Thing is, RDJ type character would be the light at the end of the tunnel. The bad films would be bearable because a good film is in the way. We don't have that. Who's next film are you looking forward to?
@@ThyBigCheddar guardians 3 most definitely. Honestly the guardians are the only mcu characters I care about at this point (I haven't seen thor4 though and don't intend to, I'm saying that cuz they have some kind of brief role in it ig). Also, I have faith in james gunn.
@@Raj7deep Yeah, same. But after that? No new film. Just sequels to prexisiting charcters. Maybe a good Spidermen, or a guardians sequel.
@@TheMovieCynic YES! And that can be good or bad! Having a charismatic character/actor can really mask a trash movie *initially*
But as i always say, if ya go to the doctor and ya have no symptoms, they'll send ya home. These trash movies need all the negative press they can get so we can actually get quality soone rather than later
Having Doctor Doom as the backbone of the future MCU is actually genius.
The problem with new mcu is that there is no evolution with characters. What will be the arc of characters ? I don’t know how those new characters could actually change. Steve changed, tony changed, hulk changed, even smaller characters like black widow and hawkeye changed. But i don’t see where the universe can go now, characters wise. There is a story that is planned but to have a good story, you need good characters. Even a meh movie can be great if it has great characters with great chemistry. I hope the mcu will get better but for now, it’s a lot of uncertainty.
phase 4 was suposed to establish the cosmic/gods side of marvel and until now the best we only get teaser of the cosmology of marvel. Like nova , FF, Dr Doom and this would lead to the anahilation wave event lasting a whole phase
Hopefully Reed Richards can fill the void Tony left behind. It would make a lot of sense because the fantastic four are the cornerstone and first family of the marvel universe.
Captain America🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
The saddest part to me is that the same has happened with their tv series, in the earlier shows, daredevil and punisher were just amazing. The fact that a whole tv show was created around punisher because people liked him enough off appearing in a few episodes of daredevil is a clear indication of how well the two characters were written and loved. Iron fist wasn't close to as good, but still a decent show that I would be happy to recommend someone to watch once.
Now they're forcing daredevil on to the big screen, which I can't lie, if they can keep up the writing from the show, I'm excited about it. But given how they're writing the other characters, I'm scared to ruin the show for myself lol.
It's time for a new movie paradigm. Superheros have been exhausted.
Nah I disagree. I think Multiverse, Loki, Wandavision, and No Way Home are more than enough to carry Phase 4. Especially as this is more of an introductory phase to lead up to the new threat which is (Spoilers for Loki)
Kang-who is a multiversal threat and will probably be the ultimate villain before the Secret Wars storyline.