By far one of your best modern vs WW2 era fights. Much better then those snipefests! I would almost recommend re-vamping the old ones and have them ‘retried’ as this!
To many variables in the city, you can be flank in any direction.. idk if it's the best way for the final round, still loved though!! Great effort guys
I kept fucking telling em not to go into the town. The only reason we settled on Sweden was because there were more Leopards and could feasibly push the Panthers back with proper coordination.
I’d love to see more vids like the Tiger H1 vs Panther D but bonus round is 30vs30, or at least a lot more than 5vs5. I think it would be fun to see vehicles similar in performance battling it out in larger numbers
what would be cool is how many WW2 tanks (like all of them) would do against the all-mighty, Stalin-blessed, Moon Rover, the Object 279, some say that it's impervious to all types of APCBC shell
I mean the best way to do this would have the panthers holding corners with their engines off holding a cross fire to catch the leo as he peaks one dies the other takes him out. Or they do an engine peak where one drives out with his engine first taking a shot which doesn’t instantly wipe him then the other drives out as he reloads and goes foe the barrel
Modern guns are so scary, normally if I am fighting big guns I use my engine to act a unstoppable wall, but they just go right through it, mobility and firepower is the key to beating them, a good reason why we don't have heavy tanks these days, nothing is gonna be enough.
Wow man I remember watching your WOTB Videos and I remember I helped with one of the movies! Glad to see the channel has grown and it’s cool to see you changed over to warthunder, who knows maybe I’ll join one of your events on warthunder just as I did on WOTB happy for you! Keep up the content
Haha I found my comment it was on your full length movies on WOTB it was part 2 and then a 20 minute snippet, but I’m pretty sure there are a few other comments 🎉
the problem the Panthers had in round 2, they just went free for all, vs working as a team, I'm also sensing some level of aim assist because these leopards are spot on every shot, even after "spotting" an enemy as soon as they come out of a corner.
Looks like panther players have little experience in urban fight. Non coordinated attacks. I destroyed several Abrams’s and T80 U’s with my Pz 2 H. Usually after one kill i get destroyed but sometimes i kill few of them in one battle. All depends on how experienced players are
I hate this games visibility. I literally can barely see anything. In real life it wouldn’t be hard to see a massive tank but this game is full of surprises, like not being able to see a tank right in front of you
It wouldn’t be hard to see a tank that large in real life? Yeah if you were outside the vehicle but tankers when operating with the hatches closed have little to no situational awareness
@@RRAAZZAA right in front of them it would be easy. And yea it would be easy from far away too because how do you think they used to hit shots from 4000 meters and more in the world war? Being able to see through periscopes and the assistance of the commander
@@kielfinnegan143 in there world wars there is no hard evidence that tankers were getting kills from 4000 meters, the longest tank kill was in the middle of a FLAT desert, in urban combat tankers can barley see what they’re doing, the periscopes don’t give them a large field of view and most of the time they already have information about enemy positions so they’re already looking in the direction of the enemy, the gunner and commander sights are also only good at identifying targets not actively searching for them by the sounds of it you know next to nothing about tank combat
@@RRAAZZAA maybe no large amounts of evidence from 4000 meters but there has been recordings of plenty of long range shots being fired. The games visibility just isn’t realistic
@@kielfinnegan143 just because something has the capability to shoot at long distances doesn’t mean it can get a kill, and of course the games visibly isn’t realistic because you don’t operate a tank from the third person
I would not move and engage panthers with heatfs. The strategy would create a tank trap so with apfsds u can shoot trought dead panther kill the one alive without to sustain counter fire.
Except the second match 5 vs 15 (1v3) it was all good, last one I expected Leos to win but, still great match. Imagine this on Ash River, I bet 2 can hold against 10-15 easily.
Seems unrealistic. I thought the German Leopard 2 tanks would one shot every Panther tank. And I didn't expect the Leopard 2's side armor to be so vulnerable.
Well....... numbers speak more often no matter how old a tank is and when u use them properly. One vs ten is overkill as 4 is min to kill a tank no matter how advance it is and provided all ten do not drive like lemings. If all ten drive like lemings then uh oh...... if they take on all sides, it is winnable.
This is unfair to the Leos as in the vids you made with the Abrams tanks, you gave them a large open map where they could snipe the WW2 tanks trying to move closer.
They won but hindsight I should have done maybe 3 or 4 leopards. With the sides being so weak I didn’t know what to expect but 5 was too many for the second round which is why we decreased the amount to 4 in round 3 and increased the Panther team to 18
@@Nahuel_Luna Yes, modern MBTs focus all the armor in the front where near impenetrable. Although some countries occasionally stick some reactive armor blocks on the sides for extra safety because why not
Isnt it a bit unfair in the last round? like the leopards arent even the same type, and is that a Leopard 2k. isnt a Leopard 2K just a leopard 1 with spaced armor
man I was hoping the german tanks would win
This make sense but at the same time doesn't.
Lol
Which era though lmao
Me too.
Its all german tanks lol
5 Leopard’s was way overkill, 2 or 3 would’ve been acceptable!
Yeah, I agree. Hindsight I should have done 2-3 for round 2.
I actually think the map played a huge role for the leopards win
@@kaffeetasse1238 I actually agree, they should have used a flatter map
@@kaffeetasse1238 You right, that terrain was too much accidentated
In the city is way more interesting then the snipe battles
Challenger (1980s) vs Challenger (1943) would be nifty to see next
Or a challenger 1970
Now this the kind of quality content I subscribed to the channel for. Good work and keep it up!
By far one of your best modern vs WW2 era fights. Much better then those snipefests! I would almost recommend re-vamping the old ones and have them ‘retried’ as this!
Spookston in a Leopard 2A6 vs. 20 Panthers would be a match I'd pay to see, lol.
To many variables in the city, you can be flank in any direction.. idk if it's the best way for the final round, still loved though!! Great effort guys
I kept fucking telling em not to go into the town. The only reason we settled on Sweden was because there were more Leopards and could feasibly push the Panthers back with proper coordination.
That's why the city is the best map for for this scenario. Anything else would just be a sniper fest overkill for Leo's
@@xAlexTobiasxB fair enough, I didn't really think of that.
Great video still waiting on T90 /T80 bvm vs T34s 😉
Just did an event with T-90 vs 1945 Germany coming soon and T80 to come against T-34’s:)
@@ThunderWithMuffin 🙌🏻
@@ThunderWithMuffin T-80's vs T-80's if you know what i mean
Amazing video and I am waiting for King tiger vs IS 7
If that happens, there will be a small amount of 7s. Things cost a fortune to get at this point if you don't have it.
I would of loved this if i joined would a panther 2 be able to join 😂
Haha yeah Panther II wasn’t allowed
Love how there’s just a puma in round 2
I’d love to see more vids like the Tiger H1 vs Panther D but bonus round is 30vs30, or at least a lot more than 5vs5. I think it would be fun to see vehicles similar in performance battling it out in larger numbers
Yeah it’s been a while since I’ve done one of those, might have to put one on the upcoming to do list:)
panthers will defo win
Round 2 was rough for the Panthers. That Jagdpanther was a hero for at least getting one kill in.
what would be cool is how many WW2 tanks (like all of them) would do against the all-mighty, Stalin-blessed, Moon Rover, the Object 279, some say that it's impervious to all types of APCBC shell
I mean the best way to do this would have the panthers holding corners with their engines off holding a cross fire to catch the leo as he peaks one dies the other takes him out. Or they do an engine peak where one drives out with his engine first taking a shot which doesn’t instantly wipe him then the other drives out as he reloads and goes foe the barrel
Love to see a video featuring leopard 1' and leopard 2 going up against panthers, king tiger, tiger 1, panzer 3s & 4s
10.5 KwK King tigers vs Leopard tanks pls!
Oh? This is the kind of cat fight that I wanna to see!
2:11 poor dude tried side scraping against DM53
I felt like I heard Trepang 2 music in the intro
Edit: Rewatched the intro and can confirm it is Trepang 2 ost
I love these vids keeps them coming
very good job keep gewoing
Modern guns are so scary, normally if I am fighting big guns I use my engine to act a unstoppable wall, but they just go right through it, mobility and firepower is the key to beating them, a good reason why we don't have heavy tanks these days, nothing is gonna be enough.
Wow man I remember watching your WOTB Videos and I remember I helped with one of the movies! Glad to see the channel has grown and it’s cool to see you changed over to warthunder, who knows maybe I’ll join one of your events on warthunder just as I did on WOTB happy for you! Keep up the content
Haha I found my comment it was on your full length movies on WOTB it was part 2 and then a 20 minute snippet, but I’m pretty sure there are a few other comments 🎉
Just watched the video where you said goodbye to WOTB, sorry about the iPad lol
Good to hear from you again and hope you can join more:)
Here's one idea, L3 versus R3.
The leopards would win every time if they didn't keep attacking side on...
L3/33s vs R3s the battle of italian meme material!
I would like to see the modern Leos in another video against WW2 tanks of any description.
music at the beginning of the Juggernaut & Company video from Trepang 2
Just what I asked for
Man I love these kinds of videos❤
If Panther Kf51 into the game “Which might not even happen” We can do Panther vs Panthers
the puma there just chilling....XD
Lol playing their typical sneaky role
@@ThunderWithMuffin and finally it isnt mbts camping and shooting with thermals
i think you should do rematch with some challenges
allways ready to kill some abramses with tiger :)
one day i will be able to play with you guys
Fine, take my like and subscribe. Better keep up this quality of content...
Lol
Man, can I be in these videos? I am playing war thunder for 5 years. I think I am skilled sufficiently to help you.
Gotta join the discord first. Link should be in the description.
Of course!
@@ThunderWithMuffin I have joined the discord 😁
I want to play like JuliusMC, he is my idol
I’ve killed a Leo 2a6 with a ZIS-30 and it’s on my channel it was an insane shot through bushes but was pretty wild with those meme shots
I like these type of vids :)
You could call "round chaos" "all out" instead.
Just a subtle suggestion yknow.
Is it possible to do a situation inspired by the gulf war, maybe using tanks such as the type 69, Challeger 2’s and abrams?
Anything is possible:)
@@ThunderWithMuffin new video is gonna be perfect
I’m not sure if I’m supposed to shout “Germany suffers” or “Germany is overpowered”?
This channel is like the monster trucks of tanks. I love it!!! (Can't stand monster trucks though).
Interesting idea could be modern t 80 vs ww2 t 80
Challenger 2 vs ww2 British tanks
Best thing the Panthers should’ve done was wait in ambush somewhere 2 or 3 to a group
The counter at the top is very nice 😂
Round 3 was easily winnable by the leopards, they just played bad
Nice, try with every nation i would like this but with swedish tanks bc im a sweden main. But overall very nice
your voice reminds me of that history channel
That one Witmans rampage be like
hey thanks for making the idea a reality love it keep up the good work.
from lazy ugly turtle
best solution is to disable the gun and then tracks. Then move and look for weakspots. It may only take 2 tanks if one can sacrifice
The Leopard players have never heard of mutual protection I guess. Don’t spread out, use each other to cover blind spots.
There should have been a rule where the modern tanks can't use thermal/infrared optics.
Tiger 1s VS shermans?
Custom battles against a friend, I one shot his Leopard using a PZ IV H because I hit the ammo rack
do black night vs w2 tanks please
the problem the Panthers had in round 2, they just went free for all, vs working as a team, I'm also sensing some level of aim assist because these leopards are spot on every shot, even after "spotting" an enemy as soon as they come out of a corner.
The only aim assist thats actually implemented is when using a controller, but I dont think any of the leopards used one. Other than that idk
From m private Match experience I can Tell you: Even really good Players cant Take a 7,5cm Shell into their Side well
Not gonna lie I would had chose a map like Maginot line so I could use the full advantages of the leopard 2
It's not panthers, it's panzer, and also this is pretty cool.
We are waiting T-90 Vs T-34!
It’s on the list:)
Looks like panther players have little experience in urban fight. Non coordinated attacks. I destroyed several Abrams’s and T80 U’s with my Pz 2 H. Usually after one kill i get destroyed but sometimes i kill few of them in one battle. All depends on how experienced players are
Plot twist: the leopard joins the Reich and helps Hitler.
I hate this games visibility. I literally can barely see anything. In real life it wouldn’t be hard to see a massive tank but this game is full of surprises, like not being able to see a tank right in front of you
It wouldn’t be hard to see a tank that large in real life? Yeah if you were outside the vehicle but tankers when operating with the hatches closed have little to no situational awareness
@@RRAAZZAA right in front of them it would be easy. And yea it would be easy from far away too because how do you think they used to hit shots from 4000 meters and more in the world war? Being able to see through periscopes and the assistance of the commander
@@kielfinnegan143 in there world wars there is no hard evidence that tankers were getting kills from 4000 meters, the longest tank kill was in the middle of a FLAT desert, in urban combat tankers can barley see what they’re doing, the periscopes don’t give them a large field of view and most of the time they already have information about enemy positions so they’re already looking in the direction of the enemy, the gunner and commander sights are also only good at identifying targets not actively searching for them by the sounds of it you know next to nothing about tank combat
@@RRAAZZAA maybe no large amounts of evidence from 4000 meters but there has been recordings of plenty of long range shots being fired. The games visibility just isn’t realistic
@@kielfinnegan143 just because something has the capability to shoot at long distances doesn’t mean it can get a kill, and of course the games visibly isn’t realistic because you don’t operate a tank from the third person
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I would not move and engage panthers with heatfs.
The strategy would create a tank trap so with apfsds u can shoot trought dead panther kill the one alive without to sustain counter fire.
*panthers vs modern tanks, who will win?*
me when slightly angled tiger bounces apfsds
Lol that was funny when that happened in that match
Except the second match 5 vs 15 (1v3) it was all good, last one I expected Leos to win but, still great match.
Imagine this on Ash River, I bet 2 can hold against 10-15 easily.
Thanks and yeah agree
you should do a type 10 video
Challenge
2s3M vs Type 75
Seems unrealistic. I thought the German Leopard 2 tanks would one shot every Panther tank. And I didn't expect the Leopard 2's side armor to be so vulnerable.
M22 still the scariest tank evar
Well....... numbers speak more often no matter how old a tank is and when u use them properly. One vs ten is overkill as 4 is min to kill a tank no matter how advance it is and provided all ten do not drive like lemings. If all ten drive like lemings then uh oh...... if they take on all sides, it is winnable.
You should do the a7 Corsair II vs the f4u Corsair
Do Sherman's vs T-28 doom turtle and the T-95
Can u do IS 2 vs Tiger 2
how tf do i always miss the recordings man D:
Are you a part of my discord?
Pretty sure this might've already been suggested, but, modern russian mbts vs ww2 tanks
edit: T-80BVM, cos trolly ERA package.
This is unfair to the Leos as in the vids you made with the Abrams tanks, you gave them a large open map where they could snipe the WW2 tanks trying to move closer.
Honestly I don't think on a real battle the panters would have a chance
Lmao, how about noobs in leopards vs pros in post ww1 / ww2 tanks
You know tigers are also cats.
4:06 Hey it's Mickey Mouse!
It will just take another 3 years I’ll get the 2A6 eventually
M3 Bradley vs M3 Stuart
Or
Hummer vs Sherman
3:48 one more of Finnish players :D Suomi
just askin buy u should try out the LAV-2 vs. BMP-2M
Wished I could had joined but i got class
What do you mean comeback on the 2nd fight? That was completely onesided from the start
They won but hindsight I should have done maybe 3 or 4 leopards. With the sides being so weak I didn’t know what to expect but 5 was too many for the second round which is why we decreased the amount to 4 in round 3 and increased the Panther team to 18
I don't understand how the panthers couldn't destroy cold war tanks from the side but from the 21st century
Armor wise, the shave weight for not armoring sides as much.
@@Kwisss So the concentration of the armor is in the front?
@@Nahuel_Luna Yes, modern MBTs focus all the armor in the front where near impenetrable. Although some countries occasionally stick some reactive armor blocks on the sides for extra safety because why not
Full ammo load 👀
Isnt it a bit unfair in the last round? like the leopards arent even the same type, and is that a Leopard 2k. isnt a Leopard 2K just a leopard 1 with spaced armor
At 9:20 is that a Leopard with an Autocannon on top?
Yes its called the Leopard 2k
Leopard 2 vs panther 2
Any reason the Leopards don't deploy smoke and just kill the Panthers using thermal sights?
In war thunder you actually can't see through smoke with thermals
Hello can someone tell me what thunder with muffin discord channel is named.
It’s in the description of my vids:)
Damn I thought the Panthers would do better
You have the same pfp as Lathland