As a video creator I had nothing but problems, especially with FCPX. I cannot tell you how hard it was to create video on. Every 20 minutes either restarting or putting it into sleep and waking it up just to get 10 mins of no lag or stutter for editing. I tried everything possible, rang up apple support, nothing. Went back to Sierra all problems fixed. It wouldn't be so bad if they admitted problems then gave a time frame for a fix.
Computer Clan That's good to hear, but the real problem here is that Apple do not admit to problems or list them publicly, or offer up a time frame for fixes. Keep in mind these are machines aimed at professionals, for work. I was in the dark for weeks along with thousands of others. Apple removing the previous OS from the App store cutting off the temporary downgrade option is dumb beyond words.
BrainfooTV as an illustrator, it’s better than the old ones... btw, u can role back dumb dumb. Restart, hold cmd+optn+shift+R (web boot), open disk Utility, show root media, select boot drive, erase, restart, clean install OS that came with ur machine. Dumb dumb
After you have wiped your drive to create a 100% fresh High Sierra install, you cannot to my knowledge roll back to Sierra easily unless you have a time machine backup or get really involved. Which I had, and I did. I'm really glad it worked for you and it's better than ever, but that wasn't my experience and Apples lack of transparency and honesty leaves the professionals they are supposed to cater for, in the dark with no time frame as to when they can resume work. The same lack of transparency as with slowing down iPhones without declaring it or offering a choice. And BTW, calling people dumb is really dumb.
I wish it was that easy, but my company upgraded security software that is no longer compatible with El Capitan, so I am forced to use this crappy software now :(
Hackinside mee too hahaha, i have an r9 280x and i7 4770 and is soo smooth and fast with 10.13.4 (when unnoficial hardware has better support than mac)
I've found something that worked on my iMac. After restart it on safe mode I found that some of the "lag issues" specifically on Adobe Lightroom and Photoshop disappeared. I restarted again in normal mode and just erased iTunes helper from the startup items in users and groups panel. That item is a default program and I removed it. I hope my iMac continues working as good as before the High Sierra updating, and I hope it works for you too
My guess is because Apple followed Microsofts lead in gutting the QA engineer department, leaving it to the software devs. There wasn't external news it happened in Apples case...But man, quality has taken a dive, it feels like the public are the beta testers on theoretical stable software now from Apple.
They just don’t care anymore. iOS 11 sucks. High Sierra sucks. Nothing is optimized. They don’t pay attention to detail like they used to. My Nexus 6 runs Oreo faster then my iPhone 6 runs iOS 11. And these phones came out at the same time! And Apple is known for optimizing!
Makes me wonder whether Apple ACTUALLY listened to feedback from the beta. Windows 10 has the Insider Program and a Feedback app built in, the difference being that Microsoft listen to and act on the feedback they are given. Apple needs to learn that if your customers are giving you feedback when the OS is in beta then you listen to and act on it and don't just release a broken OS and fix the issues when you get around to it.
Alan, considering the flaw was known about two weeks ago, and only got a "holy shit" patch once it gained critical mass in the media, I'd say no, they don't listen to most peoples feedback and only act this fast when it's making news. forums.developer.apple.com/thread/79235
They lost a sense of quality when Steve Jobs. I don't like Apple, but Steve was focused on quality, and a love that about the old Apple. Tim Cook lost that focus, and now their iPhones are copies of the previous one with one less crucial feature, and Mac's are practically broken now.
startet with killing skeumorphism putting jonny ive as software director, hardware and software are two different worlds, and jonny only is good at making beautifull hardware, the current apple software sucks
jobs would never allow this flat design shit, those bright collors give me headache, jobs is the inventer of skeumorphism in computer software, but now the os versions behind os 10.9 and ios 6 just have no soul
Thx Apple for all the "great" stuff you've given us, the "courage" in removing the headphone jack off the iPhones and USB ports on the Macbook pro. Steve would be proud.
Welcome to Mac OS Millenium Edition™ But being serious for a second, I installed High Sierra in a Virtual Machine using VMWare. It had 4 GB of RAM, 512 MB of VRAM and 2 CPUs with 2 cores, and it ran "smoothly" (well at least it didn't run at 10fps like it does on Ken's MacBook) and this was before the time when the Root exploit was found, and I'm not gonna bother powering up my VM and trying it. I agree with you on the fault not actually being your MacBook, but if you ask me, it seems like Apple is back with their "Planned Obsolescence", so they made it laggy just to push you to buy a newer MacBook. It's no secret, Apple has been doing this ever since 2012.
A macOS VM doesn't even use the GPU at all. This means that CPU graphics and emulated hardware that isn't even supposed to run macOS, someone hows macOS HS better than Apple's own hardware that is made with macOS in mind.
it looks like the window server has a memory leak, every time your computer slows down go check the systems monitor. The window server is using most of your cpu for some reason. What worked for me is to switch my display mode to scaled and then back. GOOD AS NEW.I am running sidefx houdini, unreal, and substance painter at the same time. hopefully this helps.
I'm giving you a shoutout here because that is a PERFECT temporary fix. I didn't notice anything odd with the Window Server in the monitor, but changing the display mode works! Everything runs smooth after I do that. Thank you : )
Mac Book Air → Only elevated in water.* Mac Book Helium → always elevated.** *Or in any substance heavier than air. **Unless in substance lighter than helium.
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Computer Clan I just tried to install and it failed showing an “error” sign. The computer shut down and when i turned it on i had a file icon with a ?. I restarted again, opened the utilities but still cant get it to download the os and cant open my original drive. The computer is usless now. Any idea on how to fix this?
If I were to take a guess, it has to with the new version of Metal subsystem- Metal-2. The new graphics subsystem now underlies even window server process, so in theory, it should have led to significant improvements in UI and animation performance. There could be a major bug in the Metal-2 layer of the OS as far as older laptops are concerned. On my recently purchased iMac, I also notice the notification-center abruptly popping out when triggered, instead of sliding out smoothly. It is a frame drop. It’s a shame that despite rolling out public betas, months in advance of releasing the golden master build, they have the customers face problems this significant.
Computer Clan im not having any of these problems, and im still using a macbook 2010 with a core 2 duo, 4 gigs of ram, and a 320m gpu. How does my old macbook out perform your pro on the same o.s?
I got a 2017 MacBook Air came with Sierra. I skipped installing HS it because it is a huge file. Should I download HS? Most apps in app store like fcp 10.4 or Xcode want HS . How can I get older version of those apps?
Still have Mavericks on my Macbook Pro Retina 2014 and I'm happy! Apropos, my computer starts in 12 seconds. Faster than the latest macbook 2017 with the latest OS X high sierra 😂
The problem is when we reformat our computers, there is no way to install keynote, pages without upgrading to the latest iOS, High Sierra. Unless we use Timemachine to migrate the apps. Any recommendation if i would like to start the Mac clean, and i still need the apps but on an older version iOS, i.e. Yosemite? Because we reformat the Macs for other employees to use when they come on board, and the initial laptop was already upgraded to High Sierra. Problem or slowly down always surface was we are left with 20GB to 30GB space on the Mac. Did not have this problem 6 to 8 years ago when i was left with 10GB to 20GB on older macs. Any advise on reboot?
Gatra Sebastian L what macbook are you using? I have a Macbook Pro 2012 non retina version and it has El Capitan installed. Part of me wants to upgrade it to High Sierra but I’m still hesitant to do it because of its negative reviews.
10.12 RAM requirements - 2gb 10.13 RAM requirements - 4gb Just downgrade to 10.12 to catch up on all security updates (access to iCloud, mail, and many more services which these are mandatory)
I say do not upgrade, get a new computer if you want to upgrade or else you will have a crappy experience period. This is not that much of an apple issue but a common sense one, upgrade at your own risk. By IT standards, you might as well be running a Pet, or Commador64.
I removed Monterey from my 2015 iMac because it was slowing it down. It originally had El Capitan on it, but I then put the latest version of High Sierra on it. It was very fast, and I had none of the issues that were shown.
Apple opens a beta program... bombs. Windows 10 has had insider for years. The community is actually listened to, and bugs and issues are actually fixed before the public releases. One thing is not like the other...
*Welcome to Mac OS Millenium Edition™* Also I installed High Sierra in VMWare with 4 GB of RAM and 512 MB of video RAM, and it ran "smoothly" (at least it wasn't 10fps like it was on Ken's MacBook) so maybe it's an issue with your MacBook? Your MacBook model is quite old though, I'd expected you to have the modern 2017 one, but as you mentioned, that would most likely not be the case, and I agree. But to be honest it's probably part of Apple's "Planned Obsolescence" if you ask me, just so they can push you to get a newer MacBook, because of your older model. Trust me, it's no secret. They've been doing it for years ever since 2013.
But what about all those amazing articles /r/apple fanboys on reddit link to "Proving" that there's "no evidence for the planned obsolescence"? Surely those articles talking about how "they'd never do that because that'd ruin their image" (nevermind the fact that their ecosystem is so difficult to leave and they're such a giant corporation they don't need to give a shit about image any more) weren't pulling shit out of their ass. /S
I also encountered some lags on my late 2013, MacBook Pro, it was starting to be as bad as you are experiencing. However, once i replaced my 1300+ cycle battery, the computer ran way much better than before (just the battery !). As you said, you’ve been using this computer for 4 years, can you check your battery health ?
I think most companies and corporations like Apple and Microsoft have taken a page out of EA's, Activision's, and Ubisoft's playbook and fired the QA staff and simply push out broken products because they know people will use their shit anyway. People are sheep and they know it. I've had lots of problems with High Sierra that I don't see being covered by any major media outlet (like most of them are paid off to play softball with it and list "problems" that aren't really problems). Like inexplicable corruption of hard drive partitions. Sudden and sometimes lasting slowdown and freezing without any clear reason so troubleshooting is near impossible. The sudden impossibility of file sharing and screen sharing even though everything is set up right and the computers can see each other on the network. And I feel this is only the beginning of my problems as I explore HS more. I want to install Ubuntu on my Mac it's gotten to that point. Or hell, I'll go back to Windows 10. The reason why I didn't stick with W10 is simply that the HDD I had it on died. Only reason. Nothing to do with W10 directly. W10 is BETTER than HS! Actually F***ING BETTER! ON A MAC! WTF!? Apple! What is going on??? Resurrect Steve Jobs! You desperately need him again to whip your sorry asses into gear!
after upgrading to High Sierra, I've found that I can no longer control-click on many files. some work and some won't let me control click. often i have to physically drag a file to the Trash instead of control-clicking and selecting Move to Trash.
I have the bad feeling that the Updater messed something up while it was converting to APFS from Mac OS Extended. But from what i saw on Macs of friends High Sierra is pretty bad and has a lot of Problems even on much newer Macs then yours
That's so so strange! I've got a base MacBook Pro from 2016, like BASE BASE 13 inch and it runs silky silky smooth, I'm a power user and I never have any performance problems at all unless I'm specifically doing something beyond the capabilities of the hardware.
Ken says in the video he wants to hear what other people are experiencing with High Sierra. He doesn't say to post only solutions or complaints. Some (probably most) people are not experiencing the problems he has.
I do. I have a 2011 iMac and now I can't use external drives. This means I can't share files with my firends who all have Windows. Unless you have some solutions. I've contacted Apple and they don't. Shit doesn't even describe HS and the Apple customer service.
I'm glad you made this video. I thought that maybe it was just me (hardware issue) or that Apple was also slowing down the OS. Nevertheless, I deleted and reinstalled 10.12. The most noticeable issue I had was with Photo mechanic. Quick summary, Photo Mechanic reads jepg thumbnails without having to download the whole raw file and then displays it for easy in selecting pictures for editing. For me this is a huge step in my wedding photography workflow. moving on When loading the thumb nails it was taking 30 - 1 hour to download the thumb nails. Where as this usually instantaneous.
To disable root bypass just change your root password like in linux, open terminal, type "sudo su" write your user password and type "passwd root" then change password. Thats all nothing special, i personally think people forgot one think, macos is still unix and unix is not normie-friendly OS.
FireShootSK thought apple used Alpine as the root password. Would they need to get rid of the root user or change the password to something else? The latter being the same problem
The problem is not how to solve it on the user side, those familiar with the terminal already know, but those are a very small minority in the Mac world. The REAL problem is... how did this slip through Apple's QA process? It's a huge security hole, HUGE. It's like writing the vault's combination of a bank on a post-it and stick it on the entrance door. I may misremember but back in the Tiger or Leopard days, you had to specificly enable the root user through a terminal procedure and - again, I may be wrong - you could absolutely not log in or use "root" in a password dialog... that was 12-14 years ago. They all jumped the shark - make things for the masses, who are sheeple, don't care, don't know and they still buy even when it becomes crapier and crapier. Sad but true.
Stefano Papaleo you're wrong, I got a Powerpack g5 with mac os 10.5, I type root and many password, after a few try, mac os say : "tip: 1" I type 1 in the password field, and I was logged into root...
I have problems with Adobe Lightroom Classic CC and Photoshop CC 2018 on High Sierra. I spend most of my time since High Sierra appeared and Adobe's Fixes and Upgrades on Lightroom and Photoshop watching the "beach ball' spin. Should I try and downgrade to MacOS Sierra from High Sierra?
I have a 2017 MacBook Pro ‘13 and since I installed High Sierra, I’ve been experiencing many graphic glitches, the touchbar doesn’t really start until after I’ve logging into my account and it used to show a weird “others” account with a glitchy icon that I managed to erase through terminal
Man. First Yosemite and now High Sierra. Apple has had TWO "Vistas". Hell, at least Microsoft only had one (unless you wanna be SUPER pedantic and include Windows ME in there.)
Hi! I have another problem with High Sierra. the icons of both " App Store and Facetime" turned into a grey paper + brush, pencil and a ruler! It's really annoying! Is there any solution for that? I'm really not happy with the High Sierra!
Honestly this update has been the one to finally make me go back to windows machines. The amount of lag that I faced with no explanation or fixes anywhere literally made it so that I could not run simple programs for my work such as sublime text. I was forced to downgrade all of my software to older versions to get it to work right on high sierra. Computer with amazing specs runs like shit. Switching back to custom built windows machines to guarantee that I can get stuff done.
my 2011 iMac was slow and choppy and FINDER kept crashing. Did a clean install the same day because I couldn't recover from Time Machine because of the new file format... ended up doing a clean install and viola! Everything has been working well since then.
I use pro apps and they all work BUTTER smooth on my 2016 15 inch MacBook Pro. I haven't experienced a single issue from this video except for the root vulnerability that's now patched.
HS has been a lot smoother (performance wise) for me than Sierra, but has lots of tiny issues like sleep of death, app icons disappearing, the Finder freezing, and the Dock randomly eating up a whole bunch of CPU.
I am a music and video producer and I am constantly running hefty programs This video helped me realize that the problem was High Sierra. Thanks for the info. Moved back to Sierra and stuff actually works!
I dunno.. I still experience this on Mojave on my late 2015. Adobe Photoshop (or anything Adobe CC actually) and FCPX can do this way too often. Ok, 5 years old, but an iMac 27" maxed out should still be able to do normal video and graphics editing, right? I'm not sure if Catalina would solve anything either...?
hopefully they do not do the thing of trying to integrate a "Developer's mode" into the OS but keep it separate from the OS that you can still download and install on top of it as "Developer's Mode" broke so much of Windows 10's security by opening it up to most Linux security holes and .sh viruses which windows anti-malware programs do not check as .sh is a Linux extension for .bat in windows and thus should not run on windows but can with developers mode enabled which is disabled by default
Not really, Apple is doing its own thing and so is Windows, both screwing people over in different ways. I miss the old days when Apple computer allowed you to get any software you wanted ,but then i remembered, their was no apple store so technically, Apple never allowed such freedom. I think Microsoft in the past was more free but with every new version they took away users freedom. Apple was always a closed off walled garden, you do it apple way or you go away. That is way I recommend Linux because if more users start using it, eventually software companies will make productive apps for it. The beauty of Linux is that nobody owns Linux so you are free to do anything on it. I only recommend ubuntu or LinuxMint, never fall for the stupid Distro hunting trap. Linux is Linux when its all said and done.
I’m love high Sierra, it’s awesome on my MacBook Pro Touch Bar 2017. I recommend you do a clean install, it will solve your problems. I also have a MacBook Pro Retina 2012 and it also works awesome. Again, DO A CLEAN INSTALL
Well, let's be honest. If your laptop is 4 years old, High Sierra is Apples way of telling you to upgrade. oh your model might have been top of the line then but now in Apples eyes it's time for the trash heap. Personally I refuse to upgrade past Snow Leopard on my 6 year old Mac, I refuse to do so. I like High Sierra's interface but the Apple bloat is something I simply cant stomach. This is the Vista of OSX for sure. Yes, it may look pretty but it performs horribly and Mac book pros are not cheap. I have no desire to "upgrade" because for me it would be a huge downgrade.
My Macbook Pro is not even two years old yet and I have all the same problems. The specs are basically the same as a new Macbook Pro, this OS is just garbage and Apple just dropped the ball and screwed over their loyal customers that's basically what happened here.
I disagree with this statement. If High Sierra is their way of telling me to upgrade, they're not doing a good job at it. I personally run a 2009 iMac, with a Core 2 Duo@3.06GHz. So, mine is even older than your Mac. High Sierra runs buttery smooth on this machine. I can edit 1080p footage within Final Cut Pro X without any dropped frames. That is with a GPU, that has only 256MB of VRAM. That's pretty good, IMO. Keep in mind that this machine is almost 10 years old; an equivalent Windows machine would not be able to achieve anywhere near this level of smoothness. It's like I am running a much newer machine; everything is smooth and fast.
LucasSaturn interesting thing, I have top MacBook Pro 15 2010 and it crazy laggyish on HS. While Windows works perfectly. I use hard coding soft, many messengers, PS, etc.
what version of final cut pro were u running on at he time, im trying to get final cut pro on my late 2011 macbook pro running siera , but i cant seem to find a version compatible with the os.
Windows 10 is alright NOW, but when it was released it was pretty buggy... honestly Windows 10 is still a buggy heap of trash for me but at least it's usable
I dunno. I've got a Windows 10 laptop in my closet that barely functions most days. I mostly just use the old Dell XPS 510 that my roommate gave me (runs Windows 7 on one drive, Windows Vista on the other), and it's far more stable than the laptop ever has been.
Windows 10 is actually pretty good but you need to have a MacBook level PC for that, don't expect top performance on a $400 dollar laptop from Walmart.
I bought the Surface pro 4 fully specked version a month after release. and Windows 10 was unusable for more than 6 month with serious issues in the system controller level, drivers, interface, services, display controller, software in general was absolute garbage on the flagship Microsoft device. And it comes from me who fancy windows 10 for casual use ... especially now when it works well on my gaming PC ... it took a hell of a long time to get there. And High Sierra is similar level of garbage on 2017 Macbook Pro 13" but not as bad. Downloading 10.13.2 now .. heard it solves most of the interface animation issues at least.
For reference, careful if you try to put 10.12 back on. APFS WAS supposed to make it so that older OS's couldn't go on once the firmware is updated. Haven't tested it, but just saying.
HS runs well on an RX 5XX enabled MBP with the stupid touchbar, which I will never buy. But you're right that Apple should not have created an operating system that would bring your computer to its knees. Excellent video, but one thing, it's 'unsecure' not 'insecure' as your computer cannot feel. :-)
I just made the terrible mistake upgrading to High Sierra on my laptop... a week before I'm going away for video editing job. I KNOW it isn't gonna be able to handle it. I NEED help what can I do to revert back?
High Sierra made my 2017 Macbook blue-screen on boot. Reinstall failed because Apple uses a public site to download an 8 GB installation file but then throws away each downloaded piece of 1.5 GB. Reinstalled at Apple Store then had RAM failure a month later.
I installed High Siera on my Mac mini late 2014 and there is a huge performance loss. I was using my Mac mini for development and Xcode barely even runs anymore. I can't even run my apps on the Xcode emulators, I have to get my actual device to test minor changes which is really inconvenient .
Computer Clan You can download El Capitan and Sierra from the App Store. Just search "how to download macOS Sierra" in Google and click the first Apple link. Scroll down a bit and click the hyper link to the App Store. It will open the App Store and allow you to download Sierra or El Capitan if you searched for that version.
Same problem here on my MacBook Pro 15-inch, Mid 2014 after clean install. Battery life is also way reduced with some applications. With El Capitain I had no problems.
High Sierra MOUSE FIX... I discovered that using a CUSTOM wallpaper for some reason created an issue on my late 2012 iMac. It was an issue on and off for weeks. I reinstalled OS, and it seemed to help. Wasn't until I switched my wallpaper to a custom pic that the issue came up again. Reverted to a preinstalled wallpaper (Nature shots that come on OS) and boom-- the mouse was correctly instantly. High Sierra is so glitchy.
I have had none of these issues with my update to HighSierra, I have the 2016 macbook pro 13 inch. In fact i found that High sierra has fixed the touch bar freezing. Im not sure what the issue is then.
After updating to 10.13.1 im seeing faster battery drain on my 2015' Air which was not the case with the original 10.13. Anybody finding the same issue? Plus I dont get new mail notifications unless the mail app is already opened/minimised.
I'm coming back to Mac after about 15 years on Windows because of the end of Windows 7 support soon. So what is the latest best version you guys would recommend if High Sierra sucks; Sierra or El Capitan? Thanks
Works on my machine, High Sierra is an incremental upgrade, basically nothing has changed, usually when a new OS is installed, the file system has to be reindexed, after that everything will be fine.
I have notice the performance issues since El Capatan, my opinion Yosemite was the last good OS for the Mac environment with the classic Mac features with the new interface and it had good performance
I have a brand spanking new Macbook 13”, touch bar, all spec’ed up. And I don’t have graphics issues, but the touch id basically stopped working after updating. It also occasionally turns off the display and lock at random while I’m working.
I experience the same on my MBP15 (late 2012) with NVIDIA graphics but not on the MBP13 (mid 2011) with built-in Iris, also not on the iMac from 2009 with ATI - could it be the drivers? After reboot I always get the popup from NVIDIA driver that it has to be updated - but there is no update available so far, at least from the one I used before on Sierra (which worked fluently). I am definitely thinking of wiping the MBP15 back to Sierra as I use this for work, too.
I really like the theme you are using, who made it? I am not having the performance issues that you are having, but my Macbook is two years old at this point. I did try the "root" exploit in the Users and Groups control panel however, and it works on every other control panel that is password protected except the Security and Privacy control panel. Apple also seems to have removed the password protection from a lot of the control panels. As you may remember, I dislike APFS and High Sierra for reasons that have to do with legacy support. I have noticed just a general instability to High Sierra, especially when dealing with removable volumes. Did you ever find out what caused your Windows partition to malfunction?
I was about to upgrade and found your video. THANK YOU AND THANK GOD I checked! I'm still on Yosemite and am not giving that up until I hear some good reviews about the new OSX!
Weird. Works fine on both 2014 and 2017 rMBP 15 (DG). Have you tried cleaning it up using OnyX? (Clear system cache and rebuild all but Spotlight index - Automation Tab). Cheers!
Btw, I haven't done clean install on any of my systems since 2015, and even if, I'm still restoring from the Time Machine backup I started building in 2010 (on OS X 10.6.3). Try Onyx from Titanium Software (backup first) and let me/us know!
I saw an article where apple stated Macs are meant to last four years. Could it be linked to the performance issues on your 2013 mac? I have a 2015 MacBook and HS runs very smoothly.
Having problems with High Sierra also, it's terrible. Running from an oldMacBook Pro (13-inch, Early 2011) Can you recommend which would be the best OS operating system for this Mac?
I haven't noticed any problems as you have described; however, I Adobe pro apps not Apple. The security problem that you identified is definitely an alarming error. I have noticed that Encore no longer works on my machine with High Sierra. Luckily I have an old Mac Pro with the app and an older operating system that still works. Thanks for bringing this up.
i cant even turn my other mac on; any suggestion or help? when its switched on theres just a blank screen with a question mark on the folder that keeps flashing what should i do
Never had any issues with High Sierra on my Mid-2011 21.5" iMac 2.7... no ui lag on my worse-than-your-laptop's GPU. WITH pro apps too, and two 1080p screens. So i dunno, honestly. Fresh install everything and try again?
I have the same year MacBook Pro as you (the 2.3ghz model 15") and when I bought it i'd installed high sierra since it was the newest version of macOS out when i did that. I installed Mavericks on another partition a bit ago to test and my battery life doubled and the speed of my computer was practically doubled as well. I backed up my most necessary files and wiped the entire computer and installed El Capitan. haven’t looked back since.
Hi computer class and we discuss this and your thoughts now ? High Sierra is my daily studio driver on my hackintosh and I plan to use it for the next 10 years. I want to understand your gripes better ! Are all the flaws just security related ?
No idea if this is applicable, but it may be that you're running into the "kernel_task hogs my CPU" bug, which can occur when you're using fan control software and the processor throttles itself if it feel that its getting too hot or a sensor is malfunctioning (so stupid, happened to me, took me ages to figure out, but finally gone after a full fresh reinstall of MacOS). If you disconnect it from power and/or the external display, does it make it better at all?
Go home, Sierra. You're high.
Sierra , your so high that your arrested for a lifetime
That's really creative(not)
High sierra is high cuz she sniff too much Apple stickers
What did you expect, you got it High.
Good one haha
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Mac OS High Sierra: Your Mac. Descended.
More like macOS Low Sierra.
Your Mac. High.
Your mac. Ruined.
macOS High Sierra
Your Mac. Choppier
As a video creator I had nothing but problems, especially with FCPX. I cannot tell you how hard it was to create video on. Every 20 minutes either restarting or putting it into sleep and waking it up just to get 10 mins of no lag or stutter for editing. I tried everything possible, rang up apple support, nothing. Went back to Sierra all problems fixed. It wouldn't be so bad if they admitted problems then gave a time frame for a fix.
I will say-and I'll still be addressing this in future videos-after 10.13.2 came out, I have had virtually no bugs or lag. It's down like 99%.
Computer Clan That's good to hear, but the real problem here is that Apple do not admit to problems or list them publicly, or offer up a time frame for fixes. Keep in mind these are machines aimed at professionals, for work. I was in the dark for weeks along with thousands of others. Apple removing the previous OS from the App store cutting off the temporary downgrade option is dumb beyond words.
BrainfooTV as an illustrator, it’s better than the old ones... btw, u can role back dumb dumb. Restart, hold cmd+optn+shift+R (web boot), open disk Utility, show root media, select boot drive, erase, restart, clean install OS that came with ur machine. Dumb dumb
After you have wiped your drive to create a 100% fresh High Sierra install, you cannot to my knowledge roll back to Sierra easily unless you have a time machine backup or get really involved. Which I had, and I did. I'm really glad it worked for you and it's better than ever, but that wasn't my experience and Apples lack of transparency and honesty leaves the professionals they are supposed to cater for, in the dark with no time frame as to when they can resume work. The same lack of transparency as with slowing down iPhones without declaring it or offering a choice. And BTW, calling people dumb is really dumb.
How did you go back to Sierra? Did you have to wipe your HD? I cannot edit any video, my boss is going to freak!!!!
I have decided to stay on El Capitan on my 2012 MacBook Pro. Until now, absolutely no regret on that decision!
I wish it was that easy, but my company upgraded security software that is no longer compatible with El Capitan, so I am forced to use this crappy software now :(
Tell them .
Same, HS made my mac feel like a piece of sh.... but now with El Capitan, thankfully I have my mac back..
I have the same as you! should I upgrade it to HigSierra or not?
I'm still on Yosemite on my MacPro and Macbook Pro. No issues at all.
Everyday we stray further from Steve
yep !
I’ve been glued to my powerbook G4 since tuesday. And my 08 macbook has been my daily driver since mid 2016
Those PowerBooks rocked, Are you running an Aluminum G4 or the TiBook?
My Powerbook G4 aluminium still runs great too and has super easy connections that don't need stupid adapters.
Yeh😕
It runs really fast on my Hackintosh ;-P
lol :)))
Hackinside mee too hahaha, i have an r9 280x and i7 4770 and is soo smooth and fast with 10.13.4 (when unnoficial hardware has better support than mac)
lol.
Me too. And I use a freaking GeForce 210 and Haswell Xeon.
Ditto, macOS HS runs better on my Hackintosh than an actual MacBook that I installed it on.
I've found something that worked on my iMac. After restart it on safe mode I found that some of the "lag issues" specifically on Adobe Lightroom and Photoshop disappeared. I restarted again in normal mode and just erased iTunes helper from the startup items in users and groups panel. That item is a default program and I removed it. I hope my iMac continues working as good as before the High Sierra updating, and I hope it works for you too
My guess is because Apple followed Microsofts lead in gutting the QA engineer department, leaving it to the software devs. There wasn't external news it happened in Apples case...But man, quality has taken a dive, it feels like the public are the beta testers on theoretical stable software now from Apple.
They just don’t care anymore. iOS 11 sucks. High Sierra sucks. Nothing is optimized. They don’t pay attention to detail like they used to. My Nexus 6 runs Oreo faster then my iPhone 6 runs iOS 11. And these phones came out at the same time! And Apple is known for optimizing!
That's *a bad Apple.* 😱
Makes me wonder whether Apple ACTUALLY listened to feedback from the beta. Windows 10 has the Insider Program and a Feedback app built in, the difference being that Microsoft listen to and act on the feedback they are given. Apple needs to learn that if your customers are giving you feedback when the OS is in beta then you listen to and act on it and don't just release a broken OS and fix the issues when you get around to it.
Alan, considering the flaw was known about two weeks ago, and only got a "holy shit" patch once it gained critical mass in the media, I'd say no, they don't listen to most peoples feedback and only act this fast when it's making news.
forums.developer.apple.com/thread/79235
tipoomaster That's what I mean, they don't and obviously didn't listen to feedback.
Oh boy... How I miss the good ol' Mac OS X Snow Leopard...
after Steve died, it all went downhill
apple this day isn't doing anything. the same things repackaged.
They lost a sense of quality when Steve Jobs. I don't like Apple, but Steve was focused on quality, and a love that about the old Apple. Tim Cook lost that focus, and now their iPhones are copies of the previous one with one less crucial feature, and Mac's are practically broken now.
Exactly
startet with killing skeumorphism putting jonny ive as software director, hardware and software are two different worlds, and jonny only is good at making beautifull hardware, the current apple software sucks
jobs would never allow this flat design shit, those bright collors give me headache, jobs is the inventer of skeumorphism in computer software, but now the os versions behind os 10.9 and ios 6 just have no soul
1:43 my favorite line probably this week.
Thx Apple for all the "great" stuff you've given us, the "courage" in removing the headphone jack off the iPhones and USB ports on the Macbook pro. Steve would be proud.
Welcome to Mac OS Millenium Edition™
But being serious for a second, I installed High Sierra in a Virtual Machine using VMWare. It had 4 GB of RAM, 512 MB of VRAM and 2 CPUs with 2 cores, and it ran "smoothly" (well at least it didn't run at 10fps like it does on Ken's MacBook) and this was before the time when the Root exploit was found, and I'm not gonna bother powering up my VM and trying it.
I agree with you on the fault not actually being your MacBook, but if you ask me, it seems like Apple is back with their "Planned Obsolescence", so they made it laggy just to push you to buy a newer MacBook. It's no secret, Apple has been doing this ever since 2012.
no lag here
I like Windows ME the most :D
A macOS VM doesn't even use the GPU at all. This means that CPU graphics and emulated hardware that isn't even supposed to run macOS, someone hows macOS HS better than Apple's own hardware that is made with macOS in mind.
of course, programmed obsolescence apple
it looks like the window server has a memory leak, every time your computer slows down go check the systems monitor. The window server is using most of your cpu for some reason. What worked for me is to switch my display mode to scaled and then back. GOOD AS NEW.I am running sidefx houdini, unreal, and substance painter at the same time. hopefully this helps.
Huh. That’s a new idea. I’ll totally try that. Thank you.
I'm giving you a shoutout here because that is a PERFECT temporary fix. I didn't notice anything odd with the Window Server in the monitor, but changing the display mode works! Everything runs smooth after I do that. Thank you : )
no prob guys
Omg!!! Your a life saver!!!! I downgraded from high sierra but still no helps. !!!! After your recommendation, run smooth like beginning!!!!
Mac Book Air → Only elevated in water.*
Mac Book Helium → always elevated.**
*Or in any substance heavier than air.
**Unless in substance lighter than helium.
LOL, XD
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Computer Clan I just tried to install and it failed showing an “error” sign. The computer shut down and when i turned it on i had a file icon with a ?. I restarted again, opened the utilities but still cant get it to download the os and cant open my original drive. The computer is usless now. Any idea on how to fix this?
If I were to take a guess, it has to with the new version of Metal subsystem- Metal-2. The new graphics subsystem now underlies even window server process, so in theory, it should have led to significant improvements in UI and animation performance. There could be a major bug in the Metal-2 layer of the OS as far as older laptops are concerned. On my recently purchased iMac, I also notice the notification-center abruptly popping out when triggered, instead of sliding out smoothly. It is a frame drop. It’s a shame that despite rolling out public betas, months in advance of releasing the golden master build, they have the customers face problems this significant.
Computer Clan what Mac are you using ? I have a mid 2012 retina MacBook Pro and don’t have any of these problems. Wow yours does look horrible
Computer Clan im not having any of these problems, and im still using a macbook 2010 with a core 2 duo, 4 gigs of ram, and a 320m gpu. How does my old macbook out perform your pro on the same o.s?
I got a 2017 MacBook Air came with Sierra. I skipped installing HS it because it is a huge file. Should I download HS? Most apps in app store like fcp 10.4 or Xcode want HS . How can I get older version of those apps?
Still have Mavericks on my Macbook Pro Retina 2014 and I'm happy!
Apropos, my computer starts in 12 seconds. Faster than the latest macbook 2017 with the latest OS X high sierra 😂
The problem is when we reformat our computers, there is no way to install keynote, pages without upgrading to the latest iOS, High Sierra. Unless we use Timemachine to migrate the apps.
Any recommendation if i would like to start the Mac clean, and i still need the apps but on an older version iOS, i.e. Yosemite?
Because we reformat the Macs for other employees to use when they come on board, and the initial laptop was already upgraded to High Sierra.
Problem or slowly down always surface was we are left with 20GB to 30GB space on the Mac. Did not have this problem 6 to 8 years ago when i was left with 10GB to 20GB on older macs.
Any advise on reboot?
LONG LIVE MAVERICKS
the best, but Sierra is very good too
are you still on mavericks?
might be a computer problem (lag) i owned a mid 2010 macbook running HS i had no issues with the OS
I am still sticking with El Capitan. It's all incredibly usable, and no lags, and no those things you were mentioning above. Go downgrade.
Gatra Sebastian L what macbook are you using? I have a Macbook Pro 2012 non retina version and it has El Capitan installed. Part of me wants to upgrade it to High Sierra but I’m still hesitant to do it because of its negative reviews.
10.12 RAM requirements - 2gb
10.13 RAM requirements - 4gb
Just downgrade to 10.12 to catch up on all security updates (access to iCloud, mail, and many more services which these are mandatory)
I say do not upgrade, get a new computer if you want to upgrade or else you will have a crappy experience period. This is not that much of an apple issue but a common sense one, upgrade at your own risk. By IT standards, you might as well be running a Pet, or Commador64.
Gatra Sebastian L did this last week.... took some time but was well worth it
Some application won't let you install them on lower OS version tho...
I removed Monterey from my 2015 iMac because it was slowing it down. It originally had El Capitan on it, but I then put the latest version of High Sierra on it. It was very fast, and I had none of the issues that were shown.
Apple opens a beta program... bombs.
Windows 10 has had insider for years. The community is actually listened to, and bugs and issues are actually fixed before the public releases.
One thing is not like the other...
Microsoft listens to its users? Is that also why updates are forced down our throats?
Dragzilla 66 i mean apple also spies on users and i dont See any problems with my Windows 10
When I heard of this I pulled out my OS X snow leopard dvd 📀 and started 100 dropped frames later... to think...
*Welcome to Mac OS Millenium Edition™*
Also I installed High Sierra in VMWare with 4 GB of RAM and 512 MB of video RAM, and it ran "smoothly" (at least it wasn't 10fps like it was on Ken's MacBook) so maybe it's an issue with your MacBook? Your MacBook model is quite old though, I'd expected you to have the modern 2017 one, but as you mentioned, that would most likely not be the case, and I agree.
But to be honest it's probably part of Apple's "Planned Obsolescence" if you ask me, just so they can push you to get a newer MacBook, because of your older model. Trust me, it's no secret. They've been doing it for years ever since 2013.
macOS Mistake Edition*
But what about all those amazing articles /r/apple fanboys on reddit link to "Proving" that there's "no evidence for the planned obsolescence"? Surely those articles talking about how "they'd never do that because that'd ruin their image" (nevermind the fact that their ecosystem is so difficult to leave and they're such a giant corporation they don't need to give a shit about image any more) weren't pulling shit out of their ass. /S
well, my 4 year old MBP works just fine on HS, and has since the later betas
James Rowe I know this comment is 3 years old, but if they were to do planned obsolescence I don't think they would make it that obvious...
I also encountered some lags on my late 2013, MacBook Pro, it was starting to be as bad as you are experiencing.
However, once i replaced my 1300+ cycle battery, the computer ran way much better than before (just the battery !).
As you said, you’ve been using this computer for 4 years, can you check your battery health ?
Battery health is at 500 cycles. All the issues shown in this video have been rectified with a software update.
I think most companies and corporations like Apple and Microsoft have taken a page out of EA's, Activision's, and Ubisoft's playbook and fired the QA staff and simply push out broken products because they know people will use their shit anyway. People are sheep and they know it. I've had lots of problems with High Sierra that I don't see being covered by any major media outlet (like most of them are paid off to play softball with it and list "problems" that aren't really problems). Like inexplicable corruption of hard drive partitions. Sudden and sometimes lasting slowdown and freezing without any clear reason so troubleshooting is near impossible. The sudden impossibility of file sharing and screen sharing even though everything is set up right and the computers can see each other on the network. And I feel this is only the beginning of my problems as I explore HS more.
I want to install Ubuntu on my Mac it's gotten to that point. Or hell, I'll go back to Windows 10. The reason why I didn't stick with W10 is simply that the HDD I had it on died. Only reason. Nothing to do with W10 directly. W10 is BETTER than HS! Actually F***ING BETTER! ON A MAC! WTF!? Apple! What is going on??? Resurrect Steve Jobs! You desperately need him again to whip your sorry asses into gear!
What's with firing their qa staff, I thought we were talking about one of the richest (tech) companies in the world here?
they are greedy they will do anything to save money.
after upgrading to High Sierra, I've found that I can no longer control-click on many files. some work and some won't let me control click. often i have to physically drag a file to the Trash instead of control-clicking and selecting Move to Trash.
I have the bad feeling that the Updater messed something up while it was converting to APFS from Mac OS Extended. But from what i saw on Macs of friends High Sierra is pretty bad and has a lot of Problems even on much newer Macs then yours
Converting to APFS from HFS+ in the reason why I can't roll back to Sierra...
Yeah, that was my first guess, too
That's so so strange! I've got a base MacBook Pro from 2016, like BASE BASE 13 inch and it runs silky silky smooth, I'm a power user and I never have any performance problems at all unless I'm specifically doing something beyond the capabilities of the hardware.
Well, that is a much newer machine.
Honestly, my experience has been better with the dot-updates.
What will Mac OS 10.14 be like🤔
21st century mathematics cannot quantify how horrible it'll be.
Computer Clan if Steve was here he would fix it in the next day or two
The OS will just refuse to boot
Very High Sierra will be more horrible
Basically it'll be Windows 10 but with Apple logos.... :)
I'm sticking with Mavericks LOL. Did the performance improved over the months?
It has got A LOT better, yes.
Great to hear that. The main reason why I'm not updating is the 4GB of RAM on my MBA, as MacOS is pretty demanding on RAM
0:19 Drauga1?
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+Bas Damen he was in a prior episode ; )
My Problem now is, I'm fucked. My mac came on high sierra.
I don't have problems with macOS High Sirerra on my iMac
Robert Stokreef 2013 iMac and silky smooth for me.
Ken says in the video he wants to hear what other people are experiencing with High Sierra. He doesn't say to post only solutions or complaints. Some (probably most) people are not experiencing the problems he has.
I do. I have a 2011 iMac and now I can't use external drives. This means I can't share files with my firends who all have Windows.
Unless you have some solutions. I've contacted Apple and they don't. Shit doesn't even describe HS and the Apple customer service.
I am using Mojave on my mid-2013 MacBook Air 11" and it is running EXTREMELY WELL!
I'm glad you made this video. I thought that maybe it was just me (hardware issue) or that Apple was also slowing down the OS. Nevertheless, I deleted and reinstalled 10.12. The most noticeable issue I had was with Photo mechanic. Quick summary, Photo Mechanic reads jepg thumbnails without having to download the whole raw file and then displays it for easy in selecting pictures for editing. For me this is a huge step in my wedding photography workflow. moving on When loading the thumb nails it was taking 30 - 1 hour to download the thumb nails. Where as this usually instantaneous.
In fact this is almost the same issue your having with final cut pro
To disable root bypass just change your root password like in linux, open terminal, type "sudo su" write your user password and type "passwd root" then change password. Thats all nothing special, i personally think people forgot one think, macos is still unix and unix is not normie-friendly OS.
Surely Apple should have done that already though?
Yea i just opened App Store and i see new update, i wrote this comment in time when i don't had update.
FireShootSK thought apple used Alpine as the root password. Would they need to get rid of the root user or change the password to something else? The latter being the same problem
The problem is not how to solve it on the user side, those familiar with the terminal already know, but those are a very small minority in the Mac world. The REAL problem is... how did this slip through Apple's QA process? It's a huge security hole, HUGE. It's like writing the vault's combination of a bank on a post-it and stick it on the entrance door. I may misremember but back in the Tiger or Leopard days, you had to specificly enable the root user through a terminal procedure and - again, I may be wrong - you could absolutely not log in or use "root" in a password dialog... that was 12-14 years ago.
They all jumped the shark - make things for the masses, who are sheeple, don't care, don't know and they still buy even when it becomes crapier and crapier. Sad but true.
Stefano Papaleo you're wrong, I got a Powerpack g5 with mac os 10.5, I type root and many password, after a few try, mac os say : "tip: 1" I type 1 in the password field, and I was logged into root...
I have problems with Adobe Lightroom Classic CC and Photoshop CC 2018 on High Sierra. I spend most of my time since High Sierra appeared and Adobe's Fixes and Upgrades on Lightroom and Photoshop watching the "beach ball' spin. Should I try and downgrade to MacOS Sierra from High Sierra?
Lol 😝 this is why I switched to Linux a month ago... haven’t touched my MacBook since ...
Jeremy Bennett that's disgusting fuckface
I have a 2017 MacBook Pro ‘13 and since I installed High Sierra, I’ve been experiencing many graphic glitches, the touchbar doesn’t really start until after I’ve logging into my account and it used to show a weird “others” account with a glitchy icon that I managed to erase through terminal
Man.
First Yosemite and now High Sierra. Apple has had TWO "Vistas". Hell, at least Microsoft only had one (unless you wanna be SUPER pedantic and include Windows ME in there.)
James Rowe Microsoft also had windows 8 xD that was an ass operating system too, I had too many blue screens on it and went back to 7
Hi! I have another problem with High Sierra. the icons of both " App Store and Facetime" turned into a grey paper + brush, pencil and a ruler! It's really annoying! Is there any solution for that? I'm really not happy with the High Sierra!
Those 84 Dislikes are loyal apple fan boys
Honestly this update has been the one to finally make me go back to windows machines. The amount of lag that I faced with no explanation or fixes anywhere literally made it so that I could not run simple programs for my work such as sublime text. I was forced to downgrade all of my software to older versions to get it to work right on high sierra. Computer with amazing specs runs like shit. Switching back to custom built windows machines to guarantee that I can get stuff done.
I don't happen to know anyone having the same problems as you. Must be something wrong with your install (or possibly GPU).
If anything, it's the install. I don't see how it can be the GPU. Did you see the speed test in the video? It works fine with Sierra.
Did you update or do a clean install? I had problems on the update, did a clean install and have been running pretty smoothly since the release.
+Christopher Woods I’m debating if I should do that. Good to know that it worked for you. ^^
my 2011 iMac was slow and choppy and FINDER kept crashing. Did a clean install the same day because I couldn't recover from Time Machine because of the new file format... ended up doing a clean install and viola! Everything has been working well since then.
Damn that intro 👌👌👌👌
Hey Clan, I have four Macbook Pro's 2017 and all of them work smoothly with the new HS. Bud maybe somethings wrong with your machine?
It’s in the name. ‘High...
So, how is it holding up now?
Well, I don’t use HS anymore : p but it got better with dot-updates.
I use pro apps and they all work BUTTER smooth on my 2016 15 inch MacBook Pro. I haven't experienced a single issue from this video except for the root vulnerability that's now patched.
HS has been a lot smoother (performance wise) for me than Sierra, but has lots of tiny issues like sleep of death, app icons disappearing, the Finder freezing, and the Dock randomly eating up a whole bunch of CPU.
Time to ditch apple. I'm sure it's intentionally shitty to get you to buy a new model.
I am a music and video producer and I am constantly running hefty programs This video helped me realize that the problem was High Sierra. Thanks for the info. Moved back to Sierra and stuff actually works!
Glad to help.
I will say, I’ve had much better luck with the newer updates.
Maybe apple makes newer versions of macOS slower on older macs to make users think they need a new mac because it's "outdated", just my theory ;)
thats true.
Me too same problem please tell me what should i do
sounds like you need kdenlive on a linux OS
I dunno.. I still experience this on Mojave on my late 2015. Adobe Photoshop (or anything Adobe CC actually) and FCPX can do this way too often. Ok, 5 years old, but an iMac 27" maxed out should still be able to do normal video and graphics editing, right? I'm not sure if Catalina would solve anything either...?
That's why I use Linux, more specifically, Arch Linux ;)
Updated to high Sierra. Hard drive got labelled as corrupted(it was working perfectly) and I lost all my data.
Apple’s copying Windows too much.
hopefully they do not do the thing of trying to integrate a "Developer's mode" into the OS but keep it separate from the OS that you can still download and install on top of it as "Developer's Mode" broke so much of Windows 10's security by opening it up to most Linux security holes and .sh viruses which windows anti-malware programs do not check as .sh is a Linux extension for .bat in windows and thus should not run on windows but can with developers mode enabled which is disabled by default
yeah, they made Windows Vista
Not really, Apple is doing its own thing and so is Windows, both screwing people over in different ways. I miss the old days when Apple computer allowed you to get any software you wanted ,but then i remembered, their was no apple store so technically, Apple never allowed such freedom. I think Microsoft in the past was more free but with every new version they took away users freedom. Apple was always a closed off walled garden, you do it apple way or you go away. That is way I recommend Linux because if more users start using it, eventually software companies will make productive apps for it. The beauty of Linux is that nobody owns Linux so you are free to do anything on it. I only recommend ubuntu or LinuxMint, never fall for the stupid Distro hunting trap. Linux is Linux when its all said and done.
using Linux
Lol Microsoft is better
I’m love high Sierra, it’s awesome on my MacBook Pro Touch Bar 2017.
I recommend you do a clean install, it will solve your problems.
I also have a MacBook Pro Retina 2012 and it also works awesome.
Again, DO A CLEAN INSTALL
Well, let's be honest. If your laptop is 4 years old, High Sierra is Apples way of telling you to upgrade. oh your model might have been top of the line then but now in Apples eyes it's time for the trash heap. Personally I refuse to upgrade past Snow Leopard on my 6 year old Mac, I refuse to do so. I like High Sierra's interface but the Apple bloat is something I simply cant stomach. This is the Vista of OSX for sure. Yes, it may look pretty but it performs horribly and Mac book pros are not cheap. I have no desire to "upgrade" because for me it would be a huge downgrade.
My Macbook Pro is not even two years old yet and I have all the same problems. The specs are basically the same as a new Macbook Pro, this OS is just garbage and Apple just dropped the ball and screwed over their loyal customers that's basically what happened here.
+Casey Trombley Yup, I agree. They're always doing crap to force people to upgrade but even the upgrade sucks! Apple's done it this time.
I disagree with this statement. If High Sierra is their way of telling me to upgrade, they're not doing a good job at it.
I personally run a 2009 iMac, with a Core 2 Duo@3.06GHz. So, mine is even older than your Mac. High Sierra runs buttery smooth on this machine. I can edit 1080p footage within Final Cut Pro X without any dropped frames. That is with a GPU, that has only 256MB of VRAM. That's pretty good, IMO. Keep in mind that this machine is almost 10 years old; an equivalent Windows machine would not be able to achieve anywhere near this level of smoothness. It's like I am running a much newer machine; everything is smooth and fast.
LucasSaturn interesting thing, I have top MacBook Pro 15 2010 and it crazy laggyish on HS. While Windows works perfectly. I use hard coding soft, many messengers, PS, etc.
LucasSaturn hey i have the same can we talk personally because I’m having all these problems and looking to do some upgrades asap
what version of final cut pro were u running on at he time, im trying to get final cut pro on my late 2011 macbook pro running siera , but i cant seem to find a version compatible with the os.
High Sierra isn't a Vista, that was El Capitan (it actually improved). This is more the "Windows 10 of macOS". I'm rolling back my Air right now.
Nah. Windows 10 is actually okay. This is more like Millenium Edition.
Windows 10 is alright NOW, but when it was released it was pretty buggy... honestly Windows 10 is still a buggy heap of trash for me but at least it's usable
I dunno. I've got a Windows 10 laptop in my closet that barely functions most days. I mostly just use the old Dell XPS 510 that my roommate gave me (runs Windows 7 on one drive, Windows Vista on the other), and it's far more stable than the laptop ever has been.
Windows 10 is actually pretty good but you need to have a MacBook level PC for that, don't expect top performance on a $400 dollar laptop from Walmart.
I bought the Surface pro 4 fully specked version a month after release. and Windows 10 was unusable for more than 6 month with serious issues in the system controller level, drivers, interface, services, display controller, software in general was absolute garbage on the flagship Microsoft device. And it comes from me who fancy windows 10 for casual use ... especially now when it works well on my gaming PC ... it took a hell of a long time to get there. And High Sierra is similar level of garbage on 2017 Macbook Pro 13" but not as bad. Downloading 10.13.2 now .. heard it solves most of the interface animation issues at least.
For reference, careful if you try to put 10.12 back on. APFS WAS supposed to make it so that older OS's couldn't go on once the firmware is updated. Haven't tested it, but just saying.
HS runs well on an RX 5XX enabled MBP with the stupid touchbar, which I will never buy. But you're right that Apple should not have created an operating system that would bring your computer to its knees. Excellent video, but one thing, it's 'unsecure' not 'insecure' as your computer cannot feel. :-)
I just made the terrible mistake upgrading to High Sierra on my laptop... a week before I'm going away for video editing job. I KNOW it isn't gonna be able to handle it. I NEED help what can I do to revert back?
Well, the newer dot-updates seemed to fix the issue for me. Are you running the latest dot-updates? I think it's 10.13.5.
I upgraded to 10.13.5 after the initial High Sierra install but *believe* I upgraded from as far back as El Captain...
High Sierra made my 2017 Macbook blue-screen on boot. Reinstall failed because Apple uses a public site to download an 8 GB installation file but then throws away each downloaded piece of 1.5 GB. Reinstalled at Apple Store then had RAM failure a month later.
I installed High Siera on my Mac mini late 2014 and there is a huge performance loss. I was using my Mac mini for development and Xcode barely even runs anymore. I can't even run my apps on the Xcode emulators, I have to get my actual device to test minor changes which is really inconvenient .
Computer Clan You can download El Capitan and Sierra from the App Store. Just search "how to download macOS Sierra" in Google and click the first Apple link. Scroll down a bit and click the hyper link to the App Store. It will open the App Store and allow you to download Sierra or El Capitan if you searched for that version.
Same problem here on my MacBook Pro 15-inch, Mid 2014 after clean install. Battery life is also way reduced with some applications. With El Capitain I had no problems.
High Sierra MOUSE FIX... I discovered that using a CUSTOM wallpaper for some reason created an issue on my late 2012 iMac. It was an issue on and off for weeks. I reinstalled OS, and it seemed to help. Wasn't until I switched my wallpaper to a custom pic that the issue came up again. Reverted to a preinstalled wallpaper (Nature shots that come on OS) and boom-- the mouse was correctly instantly. High Sierra is so glitchy.
I have had none of these issues with my update to HighSierra, I have the 2016 macbook pro 13 inch. In fact i found that High sierra has fixed the touch bar freezing. Im not sure what the issue is then.
After updating to 10.13.1 im seeing faster battery drain on my 2015' Air which was not the case with the original 10.13. Anybody finding the same issue? Plus I dont get new mail notifications unless the mail app is already opened/minimised.
Yes High Sierra made my iMac 27 inch high spec set up complete garbage. Same issues...any fixes?
I'm coming back to Mac after about 15 years on Windows because of the end of Windows 7 support soon. So what is the latest best version you guys would recommend if High Sierra sucks; Sierra or El Capitan? Thanks
It depends on what hardware you're on. But honestly, High Sierra has gotten better with the dot-updates.
Works on my machine, High Sierra is an incremental upgrade, basically nothing has changed, usually when a new OS is installed, the file system has to be reindexed, after that everything will be fine.
I have notice the performance issues since El Capatan, my opinion Yosemite was the last good OS for the Mac environment with the classic Mac features with the new interface and it had good performance
I have a brand spanking new Macbook 13”, touch bar, all spec’ed up. And I don’t have graphics issues, but the touch id basically stopped working after updating. It also occasionally turns off the display and lock at random while I’m working.
im startingt o get sudden flash in the screen after i lower the screen of my 2015 13inch macbook pro. is that normal for high sierra?
I experience the same on my MBP15 (late 2012) with NVIDIA graphics but not on the MBP13 (mid 2011) with built-in Iris, also not on the iMac from 2009 with ATI - could it be the drivers? After reboot I always get the popup from NVIDIA driver that it has to be updated - but there is no update available so far, at least from the one I used before on Sierra (which worked fluently). I am definitely thinking of wiping the MBP15 back to Sierra as I use this for work, too.
I really like the theme you are using, who made it? I am not having the performance issues that you are having, but my Macbook is two years old at this point. I did try the "root" exploit in the Users and Groups control panel however, and it works on every other control panel that is password protected except the Security and Privacy control panel. Apple also seems to have removed the password protection from a lot of the control panels. As you may remember, I dislike APFS and High Sierra for reasons that have to do with legacy support. I have noticed just a general instability to High Sierra, especially when dealing with removable volumes. Did you ever find out what caused your Windows partition to malfunction?
I was about to upgrade and found your video. THANK YOU AND THANK GOD I checked! I'm still on Yosemite and am not giving that up until I hear some good reviews about the new OSX!
Loving the intro, and loving how my UNSUPPORTED MAC runs High Sierra FLAWLESSLY
Weird. Works fine on both 2014 and 2017 rMBP 15 (DG). Have you tried cleaning it up using OnyX? (Clear system cache and rebuild all but Spotlight index - Automation Tab). Cheers!
Btw, I haven't done clean install on any of my systems since 2015, and even if, I'm still restoring from the Time Machine backup I started building in 2010 (on OS X 10.6.3). Try Onyx from Titanium Software (backup first) and let me/us know!
I saw an article where apple stated Macs are meant to last four years. Could it be linked to the performance issues on your 2013 mac? I have a 2015 MacBook and HS runs very smoothly.
Having problems with High Sierra also, it's terrible. Running from an oldMacBook Pro (13-inch, Early 2011) Can you recommend which would be the best OS operating system for this Mac?
Truthfully, the later dot-updates of High Sierra worked fine for me. Have you updated to those?
I haven't noticed any problems as you have described; however, I Adobe pro apps not Apple. The security problem that you identified is definitely an alarming error. I have noticed that Encore no longer works on my machine with High Sierra. Luckily I have an old Mac Pro with the app and an older operating system that still works. Thanks for bringing this up.
i cant even turn my other mac on; any suggestion or help?
when its switched on theres just a blank screen with a question mark on the folder that keeps flashing
what should i do
it doesnt detect an OS, gotta reinstall whatever macOS version you had
Never had any issues with High Sierra on my Mid-2011 21.5" iMac 2.7... no ui lag on my worse-than-your-laptop's GPU. WITH pro apps too, and two 1080p screens. So i dunno, honestly. Fresh install everything and try again?
Performance improved a lot for me after turning on "Reduce Transparency" in Settings -> Accessibility -> Display -> Then check Reduce Transparency.
I have the same year MacBook Pro as you (the 2.3ghz model 15") and when I bought it i'd installed high sierra since it was the newest version of macOS out when i did that. I installed Mavericks on another partition a bit ago to test and my battery life doubled and the speed of my computer was practically doubled as well. I backed up my most necessary files and wiped the entire computer and installed El Capitan. haven’t looked back since.
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Hi computer class and we discuss this and your thoughts now ? High Sierra is my daily studio driver on my hackintosh and I plan to use it for the next 10 years. I want to understand your gripes better ! Are all the flaws just security related ?
No idea if this is applicable, but it may be that you're running into the "kernel_task hogs my CPU" bug, which can occur when you're using fan control software and the processor throttles itself if it feel that its getting too hot or a sensor is malfunctioning (so stupid, happened to me, took me ages to figure out, but finally gone after a full fresh reinstall of MacOS). If you disconnect it from power and/or the external display, does it make it better at all?
Umm ... that root thing does not work on my MBP 2015 with retina display as of 29th Nov, 2017. I did not install any new updates.
I updated from yosamite to high sierra... How do i go back