Will Turkey and Greece go to War?
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I think despite the tensions. A lot people in the Greece and Turkey know that war be a disaster for both countries.
Maybe, but "alot people" don't decide what Wars happen.
When has knowing a war will be a disaster ever stopped war from happening
@@MertexJ It hasn't....ever. Even when Nuclear arms appeared humans kept bothering each other.
War is always a disaster but sometimes it need to happen to defend what you have
Extremely biased nonsense, first of all it completely ignored Greek atrocities against Muslim civilians, for example check out what happened in Morea or Crete that entire Muslim population were slaughtered by Greeks! Their atrocities continued in Anatolia after their invasion in 1919 and it was actually one of main reasons why Entente powers stopped supporting Greece but ofc he somehow ''missed'' all of those!! Also Turkey will never ever attack Greece unless Greece attacks Turkey first simply because 65% of Turkish exports are going to western countries. So even if there was no military action against Turkey (Can't happen anyway) there would be insane amount of economic damage from western countries stop importing Turkish products alone.
Western countries can not take direct military actions against Turkey simply because there won't be any legal base for them to do so! He made extremely poor job explaining why those islets and rocks considered as grey zone for avoiding to admit they are indeed grey zones!! Turkey and Greece signed treaty of Lausanne in 1923 which very stricly determines which islands belongs to who and even adds demilitarization status to islands very close to Turkey. But there is a problem not all Aegean islands were controlled by Greece or Turkey in 1923 rather Italy controlled southern half of islands called Dodecanese islands so treaty of Lausanne couldn't determine their status. After WW2 all Dodecanese islands were ceded to Greece despite Turkey's objection as there are many islands, islets and rocks should be ceded to Turkey according to treaty of Lausanne if it effected entire Aegean. So currently there is no agreement between Greece and Turkey determining who owns those islets and rocks and there are indeed grey zones. As a result vast majority of ''Turkish airspace violations'' happening over those islands as Turkey doesn't see them as Greek airspace, on the other hand Greece sees them as their true airspace and they also violate Turkish airspace as a retaliation and this stupid violation game escalates which once again was ignored for obvious reasons..
About natural resources there is ABSOLUTELY nothing found yet in the disputed area so it is just political BS to claim the dispute is about natural resources. Turkey didn't sign UNCLOS same as USA, Israel etc and UNCLOS is not binding between Greece and Turkey. So Greece has absolutely no right to increase their territorial waters to 12 miles one sidedly which has devastating results for Turkey. First of all entire Aegean becomes a Greek sea and sea route to Istanbul would be completely blocked as remaining Turkish territorial waters which is as narrow as 600 metres in some places can not allow large ships to sail. Because of same reason many Turkish ports including İzmir port which is second largest port in Turkey would literally become landlocked. Lets exchange shoes if Turkey was trying to do this and block Greece's access to international waters and landlock it's ports many people who are supporting Greece now were going to be against Turkey claiming it was unfair Turkey to do so, simply because they are just two faced clowns!! It is again UNCLOS which gives Greece right to claim a large EEZ even against mainland Anatolia. To be fair some people defend Greek EEZ claims over Anatolian mainland isn't official claims but Greece even tried to build a gas pipeline in the region with Israel and Cyprus so Greece indeed claims those waters. A tiny island that you need magnifiying glass to see on a map and there are only 300 people are living can not reduce mainland Anatolia's EEZ where 84 million people are living, nobody in their right mind would accept this..
Turkey will never ever accept Greece increasing it's territorial waters and blocking Turkish access to international waters rather consider it as a declaration of war, in fact Turkey stated this decades ago not with erdogan. So unless Greece does territorial water increase or start building pipelines under disputed waters there will be no war but if they do you can bet there will be a war...
As a Turkish sailor-yachtman in Greek waters, I never ever see this terrible possibility. We both try to forget bad historic events among all nations, not remind them. Greeks are very nice people, good and polite neighbors which I personally witnessed many times.
greeks nice people ? are you kidding me ?
As a Bulgarian, want to declare that, we Bulgarians go with Turkey against Greece
why ?
We was 500 years under Ottomans, but they not close our Bulgarian School, so we keep our Bulgarian identity
100 years ago Greeks stole our south, and they close Bulgarian schools and enforce kids to Greek one, and deny Bulgarian language to be spoken on public.
I don’t want to believe that we will ever be that insane to hurt anyone. Peace builds wars destroy
I totally agree but the politicians sometimes have different opinion...
@@mares81 every feet of land north of Солун is Bulgarian land and soil, and you know it.
@@truthonly6986 you don't believe ? Learn your evil history
As a Turkish citizen I think we have many colnflicts on the table with Greece. However we can live in peace. I was grateful to Greece during the earthquake in Turkey, because Greeks came for help immediately. What has done is done. Lets be allies. A strong friendship between Turkiye and Greece is very favorable for both nations.
Actually we have only one
EEZs
Everything is solved. Only your gov not accepted
@@elenilepouri7253
Exactly...
Just accept that all of Turkey is Greece.
Problem solved.
tell this to your leaders
@@dionysise5008 no, I am telling this to both sides
@@Alexander.99500 we are having problems because of this kind of mindset.
As a Greek and a person who travels a quite lot, i have to mention that only in Turkey i can feel like i am someway at home. We are similar in many ways.
I was in Thessaloniki 2 months ago :) straight up felt like İzmir & Kadıköy
@@emyrgrznsky9943I was in Istanbul 2 months ago felt like I was in Greece
@@TrapligoThat's because you were not in Instanbul but Constantinople the original Capital and the heart of the Greek nation
@@MrOmonoiatis Even old New York was once New Amsterdam
Why they changed it I can't say
People just liked it better that way
So, take me back to Constantinople
No, you can't go back to Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works?
That's nobody's business but the Turks
@@Rashoumoon
You nearly lost CONSTANTINOPLE, 100 years ago, when Ottomans
collapsed.. You will lose it
again, because is not yours.. It's a matter of time !!!
I think the threat of NATO siding against whoever starts the war is a strong deterrent.
Does this mean we get a NATO civil war?
@@michaelm9975quite likely tbf
@@michaelm9975 No. Countries turning on other countries is not a civil war.
@@michaelm9975 no because it would be all of NATO against turkey. That’s hardly a civil war since turkey isn’t even culturally similar to any nation in nato.
It wont work like that. War can easily erupt without it being clear who started it first.
In Afghanistan, we had briefings, we would change the map, once when Greek officers where present and then change the map again when Turkish officers were present. For those that were station in multinational bases in Afghanistan, you can attest to this. They do not like each other.
Greece and Turkey have been fighting one another for much longer than Islam and the Ottoman Empire were a thing! Their conflict goes all the way back to the freaking BRONZE AGE, and the Trojan War (while much of that war is decidedly fictionalized, archeological evidence does prove that such a war, at one time, DID happen)!! So the strong case could be made that Turkey and Greece's rivalry is the OLDEST historical rivalry in the history of humanity! Not surprised, therefore, that they don't like each other.
@jacob4920 Don't count on Whitsler to mention that; He's left of a Bolshevik.
@@jacob4920 uh, the trojans were not turks, Turkic tribes had not even migrated to anatolia yet?
Genocide and centuries of oppression will do that for you.
@@jacob4920Trojans were not Turks. Turks come from Altai mountains in Mongolia! How can people not know this?
I love my Turkish & Greek brothers, sisters. Love will unite, hate will divide. Love one another🇹🇷❤🇬🇷 This world is temporary.
Tebrikler komsu 👍
That’s what the first cave people said when they were kicked out of that cave
The other world is eternal?
sorry but we are not brothers... we have 3000years war.. what do you mean?
@@46faker16and as it seems y’all still arent bored and tired of losing
Isn't Turkey large enough. They have driven out the Pontic Greeks, Assyrians, Armenians.
01:55 First big mistake of the Video, greece wasnt a founding member of NATO, they joined the same Year as Turkey.
Edit: I just checked, they both even joined the same day, 18 February 1952.
the treaty of lausanne states that any orginaztion that greece joins must extend an invitation to Turkiye at the same time. Yurkiye might reject to join but they have to be invited. yes turkiye rejected to join the EU
@@kaanboztepe First off the comment is about NATO and not EU.
Secondly Turkey wasn't invited to join the EU and reject it. Turkey wasn't extended and invitiation because Turkey suffered a coup the year Greece joined the EU by faking its financial situation. Using the coup as an excuse the EU didn't extend an invitation to Turkey.
The Lausanne thing is true but stop half-bullshitting.
@@kaanboztepeyou talking bs
@@OneRichMofo Greece didn't join the EU by faking its financial situation, I believe you're thinking of the Eurozone.
There were way more than one big mistake, first of all it completely ignored Greek atrocities against Muslim civilians, for example check out what happened in Morea or Crete that entire Muslim population were slaughtered by Greeks! Their atrocities continued in Anatolia after their invasion in 1919 and it was actually one of main reasons why Entente powers stopped supporting Greece but ofc he somehow ''missed'' all of those!! Also Turkey will never ever attack Greece unless Greece attacks Turkey first simply because 65% of Turkish exports are going to western countries. So even if there was no military action against Turkey (Can't happen anyway) there would be insane amount of economic damage from western countries stop importing Turkish products alone.
Western countries can not take direct military actions against Turkey simply because there won't be any legal base for them to do so! He made extremely poor job explaining why those islets and rocks considered as grey zone for avoiding to admit they are indeed grey zones!! Turkey and Greece signed treaty of Lausanne in 1923 which very stricly determines which islands belongs to who and even adds demilitarization status to islands very close to Turkey. But there is a problem not all Aegean islands were controlled by Greece or Turkey in 1923 rather Italy controlled southern half of islands called Dodecanese islands so treaty of Lausanne couldn't determine their status. After WW2 all Dodecanese islands were ceded to Greece despite Turkey's objection as there are many islands, islets and rocks should be ceded to Turkey according to treaty of Lausanne if it effected entire Aegean. So currently there is no agreement between Greece and Turkey determining who owns those islets and rocks and there are indeed grey zones. As a result vast majority of ''Turkish airspace violations'' happening over those islands as Turkey doesn't see them as Greek airspace, on the other hand Greece sees them as their true airspace and they also violate Turkish airspace as a retaliation and this stupid violation game escalates which once again was ignored for obvious reasons..
About natural resources there is ABSOLUTELY nothing found yet in the disputed area so it is just political BS to claim the dispute is about natural resources. Turkey didn't sign UNCLOS same as USA, Israel etc and UNCLOS is not binding between Greece and Turkey. So Greece has absolutely no right to increase their territorial waters to 12 miles one sidedly which has devastating results for Turkey. First of all entire Aegean becomes a Greek sea and sea route to Istanbul would be completely blocked as remaining Turkish territorial waters which is as narrow as 600 metres in some places can not allow large ships to sail. Because of same reason many Turkish ports including İzmir port which is second largest port in Turkey would literally become landlocked. Lets exchange shoes if Turkey was trying to do this and block Greece's access to international waters and landlock it's ports many people who are supporting Greece now were going to be against Turkey claiming it was unfair Turkey to do so, simply because they are just two faced clowns!! It is again UNCLOS which gives Greece right to claim a large EEZ even against mainland Anatolia. To be fair some people defend Greek EEZ claims over Anatolian mainland isn't official claims but Greece even tried to build a gas pipeline in the region with Israel and Cyprus so Greece indeed claims those waters. A tiny island that you need magnifiying glass to see on a map and there are only 300 people are living can not reduce mainland Anatolia's EEZ where 84 million people are living, nobody in their right mind would accept this..
Turkey will never ever accept Greece increasing it's territorial waters and blocking Turkish access to international waters rather consider it as a declaration of war, in fact Turkey stated this decades ago not with erdogan. So unless Greece does territorial water increase or start building pipelines under disputed waters there will be no war but if they do you can bet there will be a war...
Every scenario I can play of this in my head ends with someone at Lockheed Martin going "yes yes yes please do that"😅
They ve been having both countries as customers many decades now.
@@redhippog7 exactly and any airframe downed is one in need of replacement
As a Greek I send my love to my brothers opposite Aegean, we are same people with different language and we have much to earn being united than fighting 🇬🇷❤️🇹🇷
Gr
I have seen the topic is sensitive. All meanless wars are just crime. Regards to all Greek people from Turkey. Please report him
Agreed. The people get along fine. It's the politicians that cause problems. The same people that made Vladimir fight Vlodomir. $hit stirring sells newspapers and gets clicks. Left alone, the people will love together.
As a Turk I agree with you just our politicians are goofy
2 country 1 nation❤❤❤
As a Turk I have love Greeks and Greece as a whole I only wish the best for them. It's the politicians doing this not us
🇬🇷 🇹🇷 trueeeeee
Tell me who vote them then ?
Soykirim yaptık diyor video alooooooo, estrogen hormonu yüksek, testosteronu düşük erkek misin?
@@kasadam85Sulu yemekler gençlerbirligi buyuk hukukcullar birligi
It's always the same. Politicians start wars and the poor die.
0:45 - Chapter 1 - Messy history
3:40 - Chapter 2 - Territorial waters
6:45 - Chapter 3 - Dangerous games
8:55 - Chapter 4 - War on the horizon
Thanks butt hole
Stand with Greece and Cyprus and kick turkey out of NATO!
@@fightforaglobalfirstamendm5617No
I hope Turkey and Greece can peacefully coexist as neighbors forever. Regardless of who is right or wrong, two distinct nations living side by side, we should strive for peace.
Tell those to the fanatics neo-ottoman Nazis Turk politicians and different parties that the majority of Turk ppl vote and support them and their politics and logic/agenda against Greece
@@Trophonius greek nazis doesn’t exist right? one sided view, classic european.
@@royaltyfree9607 give back Çameria to Albania and would be no war
@@eren3390 im a Greek nazi. And you're not a Grey Poodle nationalist damn hypocrite???!!!
@@royaltyfree9607why
Love and greetings to our neighbor nation Greece from Turkey. We don't want war but peace. 🇹🇷❤🇬🇷
Thank you brother. Greetings from greece
Love from turkey to Greece! ❤️
Love from Greece to Turkey!!!
Plot twist: Greece takes Anatolia back from Turkey
Greece wasn' t a founding member of NATO. Both Greece and Turkey joined NATO simultaneously in 1952.
Wikipedia backs your claim.
This guy is very clearly trying to paint one side better than the other
@@wetsaw2940 Who do you think is happy with the status quo and who is the aggressor? From this you can work out who is the bad guy. Fairly obvious but you can do this!
@@alanrobertson9790 i know way more about this than you do. The greeks are the agressor but if youre ignorant and believe this moron than theres no helping sheep
@@alanrobertson9790one side is literally violating the treaties. I suggest you read up on both Lausanne and Paris treaties which literally state that islands across Turkish mainland are to stay demilitarised.
You omitted 3 other parameters at play outside NATO reaction:
1. The Greece - US bilateral agreement (military bases etc)
2. The Greece - France bilateral agreement of mutual defence
3. The EU Lisbon Treaty and its mutual defence clause (Article 42(7) of the Treaty on European Union)
Cool
ahahahahah. so gyreekos are counting on these guys to save their asses from Turkey? 🤣
its pathetic
Turkey is not Iraq, neither Afghanistan.
Do you believe USA or France dare to attack to a major NATO power to help Greece? )))
Look what happened to mighty France in Africa?
When France support Greece in east mediterranean zone, Turkey also support antiFrench policies in Africa. ))
USA almost expelled from the table in Syria.
Every action creates reaction.
Turkey is not a global power but it is still a regional power.
@@darkprofile Major NATO powers don’t attack each other, so if Turkey attacks Greece it will be treated accordingly.
@@darkprofile same attitude Iraq had before some decades and you see what happened..they had missiles tanks soldiers more money from nowadays turkey and in a few months the country was a 🔥 field..turks wants an one to one fight with the Greeks translate in their primitive minds 1 of you against 10 and when the Greeks brings the other 9 so the fight be 10 vs 10 turks are crying.nation of cowards racists uneducated with greedy mentality.turkey doesn't deserve to live in the civilazed world or better live on the surface of the planet
As a Greek, I hope we can start working together and become friends.
🙏🏻🙏🏻
In your dreams maybe?
@@Ntopios θα γίνει και αυτό κάποτε. Η ιστορία έχει μα κάνει με το ποτέ όχι με το αν
@@Dizel994Δεν εχεις καταλαβει τιποτα. Η τουρκικη επεκτατικη πολιτικη δεν αλλαζει ποτε και θεωρουν ολα γυρω τους δικα τους αν και ηρθαν απο αλλου
Ακομη και αυτοι που κανουν φιλικα σχολια εχουν την νοοτροπια του οθωμανου που ειναι πανω απολα γιατι ετσι μεγαλωνουν απο το σχολειο αν και ηταν νομαδες χωρις τιποτα πολιτιστικα
@@Dizel994 Πως θα γίνει αυτό όταν το δόγμα τους είναι η επέκταση εις βάρος μας; Πάντα έτσι ήταν και έτσι είναι. Το βλέπουμε καθημερινά.
The world must unite under peace despite its disputes. By the way greetings from Grecee❤❤❤
As a Turkish guy, my answer is: NO!
Yes, we fought at the past. But I don't believe we or our neighbours will fall into same mistake again.
Both government's officials always use this subject for the votes of marginal groups before every election,that's all...
Thumbs up.
I agree
Stop claiming our islands and waters and we will be ok
I don't see war coming the next 30193329839283928392 years. I see Turks trying to Europeanize more
The problem maybe you are à moderate one. But turk in other countrie are mostly terroriste.
France and Greece have signed a defense agreement. In case of a war between Greece and Turkey, France will intervene on Greece's side. And maybe other European nation too.
Hahahahahajaj 😂
France will run away. France has no balls to fight with Turkey
Just like they did in all other conflicts in Europe in recent years 😂
🇹🇷❤️
Extremely biased nonsense, first of all it completely ignored Greek atrocities against Muslim civilians, for example check out what happened in Morea or Crete that entire Muslim population were slaughtered by Greeks! Their atrocities continued in Anatolia after their invasion in 1919 and it was actually one of main reasons why Entente powers stopped supporting Greece but ofc he somehow ''missed'' all of those!! Also Turkey will never ever attack Greece unless Greece attacks Turkey first simply because 65% of Turkish exports are going to western countries. So even if there was no military action against Turkey (Can't happen anyway) there would be insane amount of economic damage from western countries stop importing Turkish products alone.
Western countries can not take direct military actions against Turkey simply because there won't be any legal base for them to do so! He made extremely poor job explaining why those islets and rocks considered as grey zone for avoiding to admit they are indeed grey zones!! Turkey and Greece signed treaty of Lausanne in 1923 which very stricly determines which islands belongs to who and even adds demilitarization status to islands very close to Turkey. But there is a problem not all Aegean islands were controlled by Greece or Turkey in 1923 rather Italy controlled southern half of islands called Dodecanese islands so treaty of Lausanne couldn't determine their status. After WW2 all Dodecanese islands were ceded to Greece despite Turkey's objection as there are many islands, islets and rocks should be ceded to Turkey according to treaty of Lausanne if it effected entire Aegean. So currently there is no agreement between Greece and Turkey determining who owns those islets and rocks and there are indeed grey zones. As a result vast majority of ''Turkish airspace violations'' happening over those islands as Turkey doesn't see them as Greek airspace, on the other hand Greece sees them as their true airspace and they also violate Turkish airspace as a retaliation and this stupid violation game escalates which once again was ignored for obvious reasons..
About natural resources there is ABSOLUTELY nothing found yet in the disputed area so it is just political BS to claim the dispute is about natural resources. Turkey didn't sign UNCLOS same as USA, Israel etc and UNCLOS is not binding between Greece and Turkey. So Greece has absolutely no right to increase their territorial waters to 12 miles one sidedly which has devastating results for Turkey. First of all entire Aegean becomes a Greek sea and sea route to Istanbul would be completely blocked as remaining Turkish territorial waters which is as narrow as 600 metres in some places can not allow large ships to sail. Because of same reason many Turkish ports including İzmir port which is second largest port in Turkey would literally become landlocked. Lets exchange shoes if Turkey was trying to do this and block Greece's access to international waters and landlock it's ports many people who are supporting Greece now were going to be against Turkey claiming it was unfair Turkey to do so, simply because they are just two faced clowns!! It is again UNCLOS which gives Greece right to claim a large EEZ even against mainland Anatolia. To be fair some people defend Greek EEZ claims over Anatolian mainland isn't official claims but Greece even tried to build a gas pipeline in the region with Israel and Cyprus so Greece indeed claims those waters. A tiny island that you need magnifiying glass to see on a map and there are only 300 people are living can not reduce mainland Anatolia's EEZ where 84 million people are living, nobody in their right mind would accept this..
Turkey will never ever accept Greece increasing it's territorial waters and blocking Turkish access to international waters rather consider it as a declaration of war, in fact Turkey stated this decades ago not with erdogan. So unless Greece does territorial water increase or start building pipelines under disputed waters there will be no war but if they do you can bet there will be a war...
Or they will be less retarded, not further escalte the situation and prevent the war, just like other NATO members. Dunno, sounds logical to me, but logic is severely missing here.
A correction. When everything had cooled down, Turkey was occupying 3% of Cyprus. After weeks they decided to go for more
As a Greek i don't understand how people don't see what we could do if we where true allies
Most of the most powerful empires came from the eastern Mediterranean we could both be powerhouses if we didn't fight eachother
Watching the video, i came across a small erroneous detail. The helicopter that crashed at sea that fateful night at Imia wasn't there to pick up the Greek OYK, but on a reconnaissance mission.
The terrain in Thrace is in favour of Greece: hills in the Greek side, flat land in the Turkish side
And only 12 km of actual dry land
With the rest covered by swaps river banks ect
Check out the Iraq-Turkey border, and then we'll talk some more..
@@OmerSadkAytac Ah yes the Iraq-Turkey border that is left unguarded by the Iraqis and there are only a few rag-tag tribals and Kurds without air and naval assets to back them up? You make a serious error to compare Greece with Northern Iraq. Its a good job that you are not in charge of the Turkish army as you would ruin your country.
@@OmerSadkAytac I guess it's easy when you are chasing berfooted tribal people that can fight back 👍👍👍 remind me how many leopard 2A4 you lost? Hmmmm 😆😆😆😆
@@Pavlos_Charalambous you forgot how we beat you a hundred years ago? In fact, you dont have to go so far, 1974 isnt that far back. You, Greeks are weird people, you talk about how Turkey supposedly supported ISIS but when it comes to mentioning a few tank losses you forgot to mention that those were lost during the fight against ISIS which Turkey beat in the end. If by tribal people you are refering to the YPG, a single Leopard 2A4 was lost during the fight against YPG.
As a turk w greek roots i only want the best for everyone. I love greece with all my heart. I have no idea why one fights a brother or a sister. There is no hurting another who is just like you without hurting yourself.
Maybe get rid of the Muslim leaders
we are no brother or sister. turkey has been on greek lands for hunders of years killing plundering kidnapping raping stealing enslaving. while denying all of this. many turks believe everything is turkish and every other country is a thief of their culture. foods and discoveries.
As the cyprus situation the same thing. how can a minority group claim over half the island while being oppressed by them for hunders of years. the turks love to call it a genocide that happend but will forget and deny when killing around 3 million assyirans armenians and greeks combined.
greece for many years would not try to escalate these problems with turkey but now since turkey on paper has a stronger army than greece in 2007 you can see how turkey behavior changed towards us greeks. many turks dont know their ancestors where greek and love to talk about how greeks where raped murdered and plundered or the so on: we teach you how to swim again not knowing it was also their ancestors
Nice Greece comment 🇬🇷😄👍
haha
As a dutch that is known to be direct, along with my experience here with both greek and turkish ( economic or political )refugee's, do you really mean it when u say no idea? because i think erdogan's islam is a pretty sure route to civil war and war with greece.
turkey just needs to respect international rules and stop using their military edge to violate greek air and sea zones.
1:57 Greece and Türkiye joined NATO at the same year (1952). Greece was not a founding member of NATO.
Yeah, the US wanted to avoid having either Greece or Turkey join before the other so they joined together. Greece might have been a founding member otherwise.
He keeps talking out of his ass but ignorance gets a pass when biased for Greece.
Purposefully made 'mistake'
Greece was 1952 in NATO and was Allied in secord world war not like Turkey NAZIFRIEND
@@skp8748 I doubt it was purposeful, because it doesn't help push a narrative in one way or another.
This scenario would have been great for a Tom Clancy novel.
Greece wasn't a founding member of NATO, contrary to what you said. They joined simultaneously with Turkey in 1952 which was largely to avoid either member vetoing the addition of the other one if either of them joined earlier.
Great video and analysis.
I've been watching simon vids all day, not even a tiny way through the amazing catalogue and then BAM a new vid. This guy is a YT legend.
It sounds like we have got something in common.
The volume of his output is amazing, isn't it? And yet at the same time he keeps the quality of his videos at an amazingly high level. Most of the UA-cam videos that I watch are his.
He's also got an insane number of different channels all covering a wide variety of topics. He truly is the UA-cam encyclopedia 😂
I'm not entirely convinced he sleeps.
Comrade Whistler always has the latest spin on current events!
This Simon personality is an aryan nationalist freak, who glosses over Turkish genocide in Greece and the Balkans during the Greek war of independence and the Balkan wars.
Having visited geeek islands many times and sitting talking to locals in bars , especially in Rhodes, the greeks definitely have justified grievance with the turks , the little dictator in charge of turkey is a problem for the whole region and NATO.
have you seen süleyman mosque in rhodes?
if you look in clear wheder in rhodes you can see marmaris from see side
itlians gave it them
Fun fact: Greeks don't want NATO
Well Dwayne, if you’ve sat with local Greeks in island bars and had a chat with them who am I to argue. It doesn’t get any more scientific and factual than a chat over beers! You are definitely the authority to consult on matters of geopolitical concerns.
Excellent presentation!
Excellent video and very informative
It's important to remember that the EU has a mutual defence clause. Article 42.7 can be triggered by Greece, which could be a massive advantage over the Turks. It's also important to remember this does not mean all EU member states will engage militarily; however, superior support, intelligence, and logistics tend to be critical deciding factors in a war and abandoning Greece could undermine the entirety of the Union.
Edit: Spelling
Edit 2: Some of you in this thread need to remember that this is a hypothetical scenario and realistically would be solved with diplomacy before either the EU or the rest of NATO would commit troops. It also greatly depends on how the hypothetical begins, the most probable would be Turkey being the aggressor due to its historical president and their more extensive and powerful Military compared to Greece. For those taking this as an anti-Turkey stance, it is not, it is an anti-aggressor stance, and if Greece went insane and invaded Turkey, I would be on the side of the Turks; however, given all possible scenarios, Turkey most likely WON'T cause a war, and as mentioned earlier I see diplomacy being the way forward...with a hint of economic pressure.
However, many of you have also been looking down on the EU's potential as a military power, remember France is a Nuclear Power and has had a mutual defence pact with Greece since 2021 (this does not mean Nukes will fly, but it's to highlight just how suicidal it be for a non-nuclear power to invade an EU member-state), the UK, although not an EU member state also has a defence pact with Greece alongside the historical president in supporting them Militarialy...not to mention they're also a nuclear power and both the UK and France rank 5 and 9 respectively in GFP (the metric used in the video to rank Greece and Turkey).
It is also important to remember the EU's integrity will realistically supersede Turkey's position in NATO, hence why it would never be Greece vs Turkey but Turkey vs the EU (plus the UK). On the note of the industrial capabilities of the EU, which has been raised a few times in this thread, Sweden alone has world-leading weapons and arms manufacturers, with France, Czech Republic, Finland, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, and Spain being ones to consider too ( plus the UK once again ) - each halted arms exports to Turkey previously overs Turkey's actions in Syria.
I do agree the EU has lacked in its capabilities; however, this is looking at the countries individually, so if we look at the EU as a whole, it would be the 3rd largest military spender in the world; it would have 1.1-1.2million active personnel (the US has 1.3mil~), it would surpass even China in total aircraft and have a large amount of domestically supplied weapons. However, I will always agree that the treatment of the Military within the West, outside the US, has been severely disappointing, and here's hoping the wake-up call from the war in Ukraine actually results in something positive in this regard.
Now I know the EU is not one unified Military. Yes, they have fallen into complacency, again this is when comparing the individual countries to the US, Russia and China and with calls over the past few decades for European Strategic autonomy and greater security and defence cooperation internally, coupled with the reality check from the Ukraine war, it would be foolish to underestimate that potential.
Again, this is likely solved diplomatically before escalating to a point where the above needs to be considered. Though Turkey has tested the patience of many in the West, I entirely expect us to commit to protecting each other as brothers in arms.
The goods news about them both being NATO members is that both sides would quickly be cut off from their weapons supplies as other NATO nations would would try to end the conflict as quickly as possible.
A defensive clause is only as good as nations believe it will be enforced. There is very little confidence that Europe would defend it's allies without the US.
@@badluck5647 I believe it will come down to a point highlighted in the video, that being whether or not Turkey was the clear aggressor. If Turkey pulled the trigger we'd probably see Ukraine style support for Greece and sanctions on Turkey until peace was negotiated - which would probably be quick to happen. However, if it didn't and there was a divide within the EU never mind NATO, I strongly doubt countries like France, Sweden, and Poland would just sit back and watch, or even countries like Italy who would have it right on their doorstep, not to mention non-eu members such as the UK would 100% take a similar stance as the aforementioned ones.
Edit: the listed countries would be taking the side of Greece given either EU status or history
@badluck5647 Indeed. Though I wonder if the seriousness of the EU defencive articles won't be reexamined, with the likes of Germany and Poland remilitarizing over Ukraine.
@@Flight_of_Icarus The "remilitarization" of Germany has come to nothing as the promised spending has come to nothing as Germany bureaucracy has halted any progress.
Meanwhile, Poland doesn't have the military capability to threaten anyone without the backing of Germany and France. Most of Europe sees the likes of Germany and France as the "appeasement wing" of NATO.
Within the Greek population there is a a general distaste towards our government's willingness to entertain Turkey's demands under constant threats of war. Some say that we should diplomatically make equally preposterous demands, so that a hold on the present Status Quo will be perceived as diplomatic progress...
You need to invade and remove turkey early. In the new world order coming turkey will only get stronger while Greece diminishes. Greece has a shit ton of debt and weaker air force.
I can certainly support that
"Entertaining Turkiye's demands under constant threats of war", by that you mean militarizing the supposed-to-be DM zone of eagean islands that are literally couple hundreds of meters away from Turkiye, and pointing guns at them? Or how greeks lobbying the US senate, pushing an anti-Turkish agenda & constantly calling for sanctions against Turkiye? Yeah well, Turks feel the same when it comes to having a distate towards the government's willingness to adress greek warmongers and provocators. A diplomatic solution will be found only when we see who's ß@ll$ are bigger. And with that military industry of yours, that can't even produce a single bullet, you don't even dream about having a chance against ours.
Start a diplomatic movement to have them cede Eastern Thrace including Constantinople
All fun and games until someone gets elected on doing the stuff the politicians promise their most fanatical supporters, since the ones most disassociated from sanity have the most time for political rallies
Great analysis for sure...
Simon did you know you look like Vsauce a lot.
Didn’t the Greek government just formally thank Turkey for sending firefighting planes to help fight the fires in Greece? Not the usual prelude to a war.
And Greece sent crews to help with the massive earthquake in Turkey some months ago.
We also participated together on a naval drill together some days ago I think. (UK, Greece, Turkey). War between two countries is a hoax, and never going to happen.
Sorry for those fires neighbor.
@@fidemporaseven Armenia sent aid
Extremely biased nonsense, first of all it completely ignored Greek atrocities against Muslim civilians, for example check out what happened in Morea or Crete that entire Muslim population were slaughtered by Greeks! Their atrocities continued in Anatolia after their invasion in 1919 and it was actually one of main reasons why Entente powers stopped supporting Greece but ofc he somehow ''missed'' all of those!! Also Turkey will never ever attack Greece unless Greece attacks Turkey first simply because 65% of Turkish exports are going to western countries. So even if there was no military action against Turkey (Can't happen anyway) there would be insane amount of economic damage from western countries stop importing Turkish products alone.
Western countries can not take direct military actions against Turkey simply because there won't be any legal base for them to do so! He made extremely poor job explaining why those islets and rocks considered as grey zone for avoiding to admit they are indeed grey zones!! Turkey and Greece signed treaty of Lausanne in 1923 which very stricly determines which islands belongs to who and even adds demilitarization status to islands very close to Turkey. But there is a problem not all Aegean islands were controlled by Greece or Turkey in 1923 rather Italy controlled southern half of islands called Dodecanese islands so treaty of Lausanne couldn't determine their status. After WW2 all Dodecanese islands were ceded to Greece despite Turkey's objection as there are many islands, islets and rocks should be ceded to Turkey according to treaty of Lausanne if it effected entire Aegean. So currently there is no agreement between Greece and Turkey determining who owns those islets and rocks and there are indeed grey zones. As a result vast majority of ''Turkish airspace violations'' happening over those islands as Turkey doesn't see them as Greek airspace, on the other hand Greece sees them as their true airspace and they also violate Turkish airspace as a retaliation and this stupid violation game escalates which once again was ignored for obvious reasons..
About natural resources there is ABSOLUTELY nothing found yet in the disputed area so it is just political BS to claim the dispute is about natural resources. Turkey didn't sign UNCLOS same as USA, Israel etc and UNCLOS is not binding between Greece and Turkey. So Greece has absolutely no right to increase their territorial waters to 12 miles one sidedly which has devastating results for Turkey. First of all entire Aegean becomes a Greek sea and sea route to Istanbul would be completely blocked as remaining Turkish territorial waters which is as narrow as 600 metres in some places can not allow large ships to sail. Because of same reason many Turkish ports including İzmir port which is second largest port in Turkey would literally become landlocked. Lets exchange shoes if Turkey was trying to do this and block Greece's access to international waters and landlock it's ports many people who are supporting Greece now were going to be against Turkey claiming it was unfair Turkey to do so, simply because they are just two faced clowns!! It is again UNCLOS which gives Greece right to claim a large EEZ even against mainland Anatolia. To be fair some people defend Greek EEZ claims over Anatolian mainland isn't official claims but Greece even tried to build a gas pipeline in the region with Israel and Cyprus so Greece indeed claims those waters. A tiny island that you need magnifiying glass to see on a map and there are only 300 people are living can not reduce mainland Anatolia's EEZ where 84 million people are living, nobody in their right mind would accept this..
Turkey will never ever accept Greece increasing it's territorial waters and blocking Turkish access to international waters rather consider it as a declaration of war, in fact Turkey stated this decades ago not with erdogan. So unless Greece does territorial water increase or start building pipelines under disputed waters there will be no war but if they do you can bet there will be a war...
The losses from both sides would be horrendous and the international consequences would be unpredictable, while any real gains are highly doubtful. It's all rhetorics and bragging but nothing will happen.
Greece would cease existing.
@@HakanMutlu-bx6vr Same was said for many wars that happened in the modern ages by greater armies/countries than Greece or Turkey against much smaller ones. Thing is that all these power games benefit who? The everyday citizen? Nope. Power games of certain ppl who would never even get close to "their war zone".
And I would like to add that I do not believe that any casual greek or turk have enmity against each other. Those who are consumed by nationalists dogma, I am sure they have.
@@HakanMutlu-bx6vrsays the brainleds tiurk
@@HakanMutlu-bx6vr said the edge lord from his parents basement
Cyprus at the time of the invasion was 82% Greek 16% Turkish. Today the Greeks are 77% not in 74
Many settlers from anatolia after 1974
Excellent piece, very well-researched. Regards from Rhodes, Greece.
I dont know when you recorded this video but you forgot to mention that Greece already has 17 rafale fighter jets and awaiting 24 more also will start receiving soon f-35 and has already stared upgrading f16 to block 72 viper that is giving Greek Airforce clear advantage and on the Navi side the Belhara frigates will start being delivered in a couple of years. One more important thing is that aside from NATO Greece signed a military treaty with France in 2021 mandating that if any of the 2 countries gets attacked the other has to actively help meaning has to participate not only send weapons and equipment
Turks have ballistic capability to destroy airbases in Greece and swarm attack to anywhere in Greece with countless of drones. I wouldn't rely on Rafales etc. though. Greece have no chance there, you must rely on diplomacy nothing else.
🤣 notting you mentioned mean anything 🤣 Turkiye don't need to import anything Turkiye self-sufficient and makin some of the best Millitary equipment in the World.. Turkiye has world only 5G Un Man fighter DRONE.. 🤣 Geeks and Frence are only Half a day work for the Turks... Turkiye has the 100% Support from 70 Muslims countries.. Two of which are Nuclear Power. TURKIYE Will be Nuclear power before 2025....GO EAT S*I*..looser
Extremely biased nonsense, first of all it completely ignored Greek atrocities against Muslim civilians, for example check out what happened in Morea or Crete that entire Muslim population were slaughtered by Greeks! Their atrocities continued in Anatolia after their invasion in 1919 and it was actually one of main reasons why Entente powers stopped supporting Greece but ofc he somehow ''missed'' all of those!! Also Turkey will never ever attack Greece unless Greece attacks Turkey first simply because 65% of Turkish exports are going to western countries. So even if there was no military action against Turkey (Can't happen anyway) there would be insane amount of economic damage from western countries stop importing Turkish products alone.
Western countries can not take direct military actions against Turkey simply because there won't be any legal base for them to do so! He made extremely poor job explaining why those islets and rocks considered as grey zone for avoiding to admit they are indeed grey zones!! Turkey and Greece signed treaty of Lausanne in 1923 which very stricly determines which islands belongs to who and even adds demilitarization status to islands very close to Turkey. But there is a problem not all Aegean islands were controlled by Greece or Turkey in 1923 rather Italy controlled southern half of islands called Dodecanese islands so treaty of Lausanne couldn't determine their status. After WW2 all Dodecanese islands were ceded to Greece despite Turkey's objection as there are many islands, islets and rocks should be ceded to Turkey according to treaty of Lausanne if it effected entire Aegean. So currently there is no agreement between Greece and Turkey determining who owns those islets and rocks and there are indeed grey zones. As a result vast majority of ''Turkish airspace violations'' happening over those islands as Turkey doesn't see them as Greek airspace, on the other hand Greece sees them as their true airspace and they also violate Turkish airspace as a retaliation and this stupid violation game escalates which once again was ignored for obvious reasons..
About natural resources there is ABSOLUTELY nothing found yet in the disputed area so it is just political BS to claim the dispute is about natural resources. Turkey didn't sign UNCLOS same as USA, Israel etc and UNCLOS is not binding between Greece and Turkey. So Greece has absolutely no right to increase their territorial waters to 12 miles one sidedly which has devastating results for Turkey. First of all entire Aegean becomes a Greek sea and sea route to Istanbul would be completely blocked as remaining Turkish territorial waters which is as narrow as 600 metres in some places can not allow large ships to sail. Because of same reason many Turkish ports including İzmir port which is second largest port in Turkey would literally become landlocked. Lets exchange shoes if Turkey was trying to do this and block Greece's access to international waters and landlock it's ports many people who are supporting Greece now were going to be against Turkey claiming it was unfair Turkey to do so, simply because they are just two faced clowns!! It is again UNCLOS which gives Greece right to claim a large EEZ even against mainland Anatolia. To be fair some people defend Greek EEZ claims over Anatolian mainland isn't official claims but Greece even tried to build a gas pipeline in the region with Israel and Cyprus so Greece indeed claims those waters. A tiny island that you need magnifiying glass to see on a map and there are only 300 people are living can not reduce mainland Anatolia's EEZ where 84 million people are living, nobody in their right mind would accept this..
Turkey will never ever accept Greece increasing it's territorial waters and blocking Turkish access to international waters rather consider it as a declaration of war, in fact Turkey stated this decades ago not with erdogan. So unless Greece does territorial water increase or start building pipelines under disputed waters there will be no war but if they do you can bet there will be a war...
"g soon f-35 and has already stared upgrading f16 to block 72 viper that is giving Greek Airforce clear advantage and on the Navi side the Belhara frigates will start being delivered in a couple of years."
Do you guys even realize that we are in the same alliance system? Turkey has access to the same weapon system and upgrades. It also has its indigenous production line. How do you come to the conclusion that Greece has a clear edge with respect to military hard- and software? They literally use the same shit.
Additionally the rafale fighters are pretty much a more expensive version of the F16, although it is slightly better, this does not translate that the rafael can just destroy every F16 they come across. The F35 are pretty much the only significant advantage, of which Greece will have about 20-30. That is not enough to decide the conflict.
"and on the Navi side the Belhara frigates will start being delivered in a couple of years."
And in a couple of years, Turkey will have its own indigenous frigates. The concept design as well as design phase is already over. The first one is even intended to be delivered this year.
" NATO Greece signed a military treaty with France in 2021 mandating that if any of the 2 countries gets attacked the other has to actively help meaning has to participate not only send weapons and equipment"
NATO didnt side with anyone in the 1990th and nor will they do so, in a potentially new conflict. FFs what kind of logic is this? If anything, they will stop the war, not escallate it further.
@@justsefa1843 pretty much everything you said was either false or irrelevant with what I wrote especially the last part... Read the initial comment correctly, understand it and then reply
If anyone is interested I can recommend an excellent documentary on the Greek war of independence on a channel called kings and generals. You can see how Greece got its independence and why there’s still bad blood between the two
You mean after murdering the whole Muslim Population in a Genocide
They did make a couple mistakes but overall it was a good documentary
@@thegreekguy1124 What Mistakes?
@@nikosafer1 I don't quite recall all of them right now but an important one is calling Arbanites and Souliotes Albanian. Also,the portrayal of the diplomatic situation is questionable at best. Both of those are because they used mostly western sources rather than Greek and Ottoman ones
Edit:they also tend to not talk about many Turkish slaughters as revenge(although they covered the bigger ones)and they are also pertaining people like Mavrokordatos in a much more positive light than the reality
I think the current tension is mostly caused by the invasion of Cyprus in the 70s. Before that, Greek - Turkish relationships were not that bad, Greek prime minister even once nominated Ataturk for the nobel peace prize.
The funny thing is that Turkey never claimed anything in the Aegean until the seventees.
Good analytical investigation into this sensitive issue that threatens to erupt at any moment!
"In peace, sons bury their fathers. In war, fathers bury their sons." -- Herodotus
War what is it good for. Absolutely nothing. Edwin Starr.
@@whoarewe7515🇹🇷
greece is not a founding member of nato. it was admitted in 1952 simultaneously with turkey. how whoever wrote the script made such a mistake and no one caught it is beyond me.
Well, its not exactly the greatest channel on yt, when it comes to facts.
There were way more than one big mistake sadly, first of all it completely ignored Greek atrocities against Muslim civilians, for example check out what happened in Morea or Crete that entire Muslim population were slaughtered by Greeks! Their atrocities continued in Anatolia after their invasion in 1919 and it was actually one of main reasons why Entente powers stopped supporting Greece but ofc he somehow ''missed'' all of those!! Also Turkey will never ever attack Greece unless Greece attacks Turkey first simply because 65% of Turkish exports are going to western countries. So even if there was no military action against Turkey (Can't happen anyway) there would be insane amount of economic damage from western countries stop importing Turkish products alone.
Western countries can not take direct military actions against Turkey simply because there won't be any legal base for them to do so! He made extremely poor job explaining why those islets and rocks considered as grey zone for avoiding to admit they are indeed grey zones!! Turkey and Greece signed treaty of Lausanne in 1923 which very stricly determines which islands belongs to who and even adds demilitarization status to islands very close to Turkey. But there is a problem not all Aegean islands were controlled by Greece or Turkey in 1923 rather Italy controlled southern half of islands called Dodecanese islands so treaty of Lausanne couldn't determine their status. After WW2 all Dodecanese islands were ceded to Greece despite Turkey's objection as there are many islands, islets and rocks should be ceded to Turkey according to treaty of Lausanne if it effected entire Aegean. So currently there is no agreement between Greece and Turkey determining who owns those islets and rocks and there are indeed grey zones. As a result vast majority of ''Turkish airspace violations'' happening over those islands as Turkey doesn't see them as Greek airspace, on the other hand Greece sees them as their true airspace and they also violate Turkish airspace as a retaliation and this stupid violation game escalates which once again was ignored for obvious reasons..
About natural resources there is ABSOLUTELY nothing found yet in the disputed area so it is just political BS to claim the dispute is about natural resources. Turkey didn't sign UNCLOS same as USA, Israel etc and UNCLOS is not binding between Greece and Turkey. So Greece has absolutely no right to increase their territorial waters to 12 miles one sidedly which has devastating results for Turkey. First of all entire Aegean becomes a Greek sea and sea route to Istanbul would be completely blocked as remaining Turkish territorial waters which is as narrow as 600 metres in some places can not allow large ships to sail. Because of same reason many Turkish ports including İzmir port which is second largest port in Turkey would literally become landlocked. Lets exchange shoes if Turkey was trying to do this and block Greece's access to international waters and landlock it's ports many people who are supporting Greece now were going to be against Turkey claiming it was unfair Turkey to do so, simply because they are just two faced clowns!! It is again UNCLOS which gives Greece right to claim a large EEZ even against mainland Anatolia. To be fair some people defend Greek EEZ claims over Anatolian mainland isn't official claims but Greece even tried to build a gas pipeline in the region with Israel and Cyprus so Greece indeed claims those waters. A tiny island that you need magnifiying glass to see on a map and there are only 300 people are living can not reduce mainland Anatolia's EEZ where 84 million people are living, nobody in their right mind would accept this..
Turkey will never ever accept Greece increasing it's territorial waters and blocking Turkish access to international waters rather consider it as a declaration of war, in fact Turkey stated this decades ago not with erdogan. So unless Greece does territorial water increase or start building pipelines under disputed waters there will be no war but if they do you can bet there will be a war...
@@ggoddkkiller1342 dude? What atrocities? The level of hypocricy. Who are you fooling? Yourself? Why are there only 300 people living on that island? My great-mother is from that Island! Where are you from? Want to tell us....
@@miastupid7911en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Muslims_during_the_Ottoman_contraction
@@miastupid7911 If you search as ''Greek atrocities against Muslim civilians'' you would find dozens of articles from both Greek war of independence and 100 years later from Turkish war of independence! So nope, you are the one who is trying to fool anybody, in fact there are many ENTENTE sources who witnessed Greek atrocities by first hand and claimed over 300,000 Turkish civilians were killed in Anatolia!! As a result it was the main reason why Entente powers ditched Greece. So nice BS you have there, trying to refuse your atrocities wickedly..
Also there were no atrocities at all in Kastellorizo, in fact ITALY controlled the island for a long time before it was ceded to Greece after WW2 so you have another nice BS there as well. While it's population is low simply because it is really a tiny island hundreds of kms away from even other Greek islands so transportation and economy are huge problems. And the island's population kept decreasing in last decades. So it has very little value for Greece but somehow it can reduce Anatolian mainland EEZ for more than 100,000 km2 alone with it's 300 population and magnifying glass needed to see size!! Turkey will never ever accept such a moronity regardless how hard you wicked liars cry or try to rewrite history...
as a greek I don't believe the war is gonna happen I don't believe in politics I love and respect turks I have some turkish friends they are a W 🇬🇷❤🇹🇷
There may be some small military confrontation, but I don't think it will be a total war
The Treaty of Lausanne on 24 July 1923, set the borders of modern day Turkey. It states that: ALL ISLANDS AND ISLETS OVE 3 NAUTICAL MILES FROM THE TURKEY’S COASTLINE BELONG TO GREECE!
Island maybe, but N.O.T WATERS! it's hilarious. You don't even wanna give a bucket water
@@BisselleWixxelle Nicht einmal einen Tropfen
@@christos3280 tropfen? Tropfen was, Tropfen Wixxe?
@@BisselleWixxelle islands have 12 N.M around them, by international law, this is their undisputed right ( i understand that Turkey does not understand what that is) but the rest of the world, do!
@@BisselleWixxellenein die spvcke die vom ges!cht deiner mvtter tropft
Could you do a video about Shunsaku Kudo? He saved several hundred British sailors during WWII but was kept secret until one of those sailors spoke about it in 2008. The information is kinda scarce and there's very few videos on it but it shows the humanity that can bloom in war.
That's just propaganda 😂
0:00: 🔥 Tensions between Turkey and Greece have deep historical roots and have been exacerbated by conflicts over territory, including the divided island of Cyprus.
3:46: 🌊 The conflict between Greece and Turkey over territorial waters and islands in the Aegean Sea is intensifying.
6:56: 😱 Tensions between Turkey and Greece have escalated due to dangerous games played by both sides, resulting in the deaths of pilots and near military conflicts.
10:07: 🔥 The tension between Greece and Turkey is escalating, with threats of war and military build-up on both sides.
12:55: ⚠ The possibility of war between Turkey and Greece has implications for NATO and the European Union, but the conflict is currently only rhetorical.
Recap by Tammy AI
At some point it is said that the imia incident started because a greek flag was put on the disputed island of Imia. In fact prior to the incident there was no dispute over this or any other islands in the region. As the matter of fact , in older official Turkish maps of the region the Imia islands were stated as Greek.
But as a well known plan of general dispute by Turkish feep state , this along with around 200 islands were disputed in one night by Turkey.
Also Greek islands are not around 200, but more than 2000 if calculated the small uninhabitable ones.
If they do could they do it later? I'm about to join the Greek army for my mandatory service.
This should be motivation for you.
Ill gladly send money for shells to push them back to Turkmenistan.
why greece still keeps mantatory military service. Isn't in NATO terms to keep a professional army instead of conscripts? In eastern europe when we joined nato the biggest gain was getting rid of conscription.
@@SpeedDaemon3 Because they are right next to turks.
@@SpeedDaemon3no it isn't, south Korea, Taiwan and others still have mandatory service
Maybe Türkiye vision of peace in the Middle East is the restoration of the Ottoman empire. Strong “Putin/Xi” vibes from Erdogan.
Erdogan wants the ottoman empire recreated, and make islam the most practiced religion in the world and abolish Christianity.
@@arkhosisnoob remember, the earth is also flat
@@eren3390 woooooooooooow so so informative
Extremely biased nonsense, first of all it completely ignored Greek atrocities against Muslim civilians, for example check out what happened in Morea or Crete that entire Muslim population were slaughtered by Greeks! Their atrocities continued in Anatolia after their invasion in 1919 and it was actually one of main reasons why Entente powers stopped supporting Greece but ofc he somehow ''missed'' all of those!! Also Turkey will never ever attack Greece unless Greece attacks Turkey first simply because 65% of Turkish exports are going to western countries. So even if there was no military action against Turkey (Can't happen anyway) there would be insane amount of economic damage from western countries stop importing Turkish products alone.
Western countries can not take direct military actions against Turkey simply because there won't be any legal base for them to do so! He made extremely poor job explaining why those islets and rocks considered as grey zone for avoiding to admit they are indeed grey zones!! Turkey and Greece signed treaty of Lausanne in 1923 which very stricly determines which islands belongs to who and even adds demilitarization status to islands very close to Turkey. But there is a problem not all Aegean islands were controlled by Greece or Turkey in 1923 rather Italy controlled southern half of islands called Dodecanese islands so treaty of Lausanne couldn't determine their status. After WW2 all Dodecanese islands were ceded to Greece despite Turkey's objection as there are many islands, islets and rocks should be ceded to Turkey according to treaty of Lausanne if it effected entire Aegean. So currently there is no agreement between Greece and Turkey determining who owns those islets and rocks and there are indeed grey zones. As a result vast majority of ''Turkish airspace violations'' happening over those islands as Turkey doesn't see them as Greek airspace, on the other hand Greece sees them as their true airspace and they also violate Turkish airspace as a retaliation and this stupid violation game escalates which once again was ignored for obvious reasons..
About natural resources there is ABSOLUTELY nothing found yet in the disputed area so it is just political BS to claim the dispute is about natural resources. Turkey didn't sign UNCLOS same as USA, Israel etc and UNCLOS is not binding between Greece and Turkey. So Greece has absolutely no right to increase their territorial waters to 12 miles one sidedly which has devastating results for Turkey. First of all entire Aegean becomes a Greek sea and sea route to Istanbul would be completely blocked as remaining Turkish territorial waters which is as narrow as 600 metres in some places can not allow large ships to sail. Because of same reason many Turkish ports including İzmir port which is second largest port in Turkey would literally become landlocked. Lets exchange shoes if Turkey was trying to do this and block Greece's access to international waters and landlock it's ports many people who are supporting Greece now were going to be against Turkey claiming it was unfair Turkey to do so, simply because they are just two faced clowns!! It is again UNCLOS which gives Greece right to claim a large EEZ even against mainland Anatolia. To be fair some people defend Greek EEZ claims over Anatolian mainland isn't official claims but Greece even tried to build a gas pipeline in the region with Israel and Cyprus so Greece indeed claims those waters. A tiny island that you need magnifiying glass to see on a map and there are only 300 people are living can not reduce mainland Anatolia's EEZ where 84 million people are living, nobody in their right mind would accept this..
Turkey will never ever accept Greece increasing it's territorial waters and blocking Turkish access to international waters rather consider it as a declaration of war, in fact Turkey stated this decades ago not with erdogan. So unless Greece does territorial water increase or start building pipelines under disputed waters there will be no war but if they do you can bet there will be a war..
I don't want to go war with our lovely neighbors 🇹🇷❤️🇬🇷
It's easy to want peace, when you live on stolen lands.
Video suggestion: the recent sustained conflict in Mali/ associated interventions into Mali
Also, ask which option would be more damaging.
Losing control of the bosporous,
Or undermining the entire alliance with the precedent that being strategically important or strong lets you bully fellow NATO members?
Well russia aint going to to much projecting of strength in the future...
I dont think anyone cares
@@FortuneZer0They are the strongest military in the world and will be for the next million years Ukraine only got one town left to hold onto anf the the rest of the world will just be russia for now on. And speaking russian and forget the other languages and religions. So your comment is mute.this comment Approved by trump biden putin me the whole intelligent world as well as Nk Trky egypt pol Germ Eng amer sth amer can mars pluto sun moon venus the russian tsar bomb and tsar and all kings and presidents commadants commanders generals drones vaccum bombs nukes and mooses
I think the second, I mean besides the current Ykraibe situation Nato doesn't have tooooo much to do in the Black Sea
Or they could idk share.
I love how the governments hate each other and have all these disputes, but then you read the comments and they’re all (mostly) Turks and Greeks talking about how much they love each other and want nothing but peace😂
Time to retake constantinople, Deus Vult!
According to Yilmaz, who served as premier three times in the 1990s, agents of the Turkish secret service set fire to Greek forests. In the interview with Yilmaz, the former PM allegedly admitted that the Turkish state had given funds and support to secret agents who started a number of forest fires in Greece - Newspaper Birgun🇹🇷
According to leader of PKK terror organisation, thousands of PKK members have been trained in Greece and were sent to Iraq to fight against Turkey. Same terrorist leader was caught by Turkish intelligence in Nairobi while he was being escorted by Greek embassy personnel, carrying a Cypriot passport. There is also evidence of Greek intelligence starting fires across Turkey.
Where is your source you fakin liar?
Samething happens in turkey, someone else does it and they blame each other lmao.
@@-Shadow__Rider-greece hates turkey facts which is nice
Well it is our Greek brothers obsessed with fire and they are good at it! Have you ever heard of Greek fire? They used to set fires on the sea in the old times! And it is written in the history books that they had burned every forest and village down while they were running away when they lost the invasion (oops they call it liberation) of Turkiye in 1920’s. I am sure you will find more fires in their history if you search for it!
I hope not. We have so much in common as opposed to what separates us. I hope neither country would make this mistake.
I hope with all my heart actually.
It would be very self destructive..
Bullshit
I can only confirm that by saying that Greek really like the Turks and they recognize that they share something so unique with them 🇬🇷❤️🇹🇷
@@jairoquintanilla9357 knock off the leftist bullcrap you're spitting. We got NOTHING in common!
Doesn't The conflict between those areas go back to Troy and Sparta, how long ago was that ?
3300 yrs before
But turks arent Trojans
Although we both have irrational governments, the possibility of war is: 0%. The people of two fraternal countries will never allow that.
Greek here. Let's not go to war. Our problems are human made and can be resolved by humans.
But what of the rabid dogs?
@@FortuneZer0what of them this isnt the discovery channel last time I checked this warographics told my an English dude with an irritating accent lmao
@@FortuneZer0 They have to be brought to heel, for humanity's sake..
You are an optimist rather than a realist... Simon talked about how rabid the Turkish prime minister is. If you know any history you will know that rational action in international or inter-group conflicts is rare. Most often differences in ideology, greed over resources, or due to a major increase in population the need to have more "living room" (if you'll pardon me for quoting Adolph Hitler) are the causes of conflicts.
@@dinsdalemontypiranha4349 I have to be. The alternative is war and no sane person calls for that.
Looks like we are building up the flashpoints. Starting to get them ww1 feels.
The Turkish logic on sharing : What is mine is mine and what is yours is mine...
the video is full of bulshits and non stop lies As expected, the hypocrisy of the west Turks have rights in the Mediterrenian and we'll take them all the way America and french come and operate in the Mediterranean, and they have no place here, you all forgot the Ottoman slap.!!
Perhaps you should see what the Greeks say?
"..all of Turkey is Greek.."
For example.
@@Alexander.99500but it is true that most of today's Turkey was Greek 😂 For over of 2500 years it was either there Greece, either Hellenized, the Hellenic culture . But Greece does not want to take anything from today Turkey that you took it from Greece. This starts only as response to Turkey's neo ottomanism and expationist politics. The constant agreessiveness of Turkey against Greece from the Greek/Roman times. And now we have Turkey everyday openly threatening "we will hit you with a missile in Athens" " we will come suddenly one night" "we will make you swim" and all these pathetic statements. While our politicians only respond to all that with not any offensive response just that "we must go according to the international law" "we must talk and found solutions throught diplomacy for the good of both nations" and "if you attack we will attack back".That's all
Greece is not a founding member of NATO and Turkey joining in 1952. Both nations joined NATO literally on the same day. However, Greece left when it was ruled by military junta and Turkey did not oppose its rejoining which was a big mistake.
Something you didn't mention was that British bases in Cyprus are too valuable for Britain to stand idle.
Then why did they do nothing in 1974 then?
@@chrisklitou7573 Because they are useless cowards and also didn't appreciate the murderous antics of EOKA.
Lmao the Brits who literally gave the Turks no objections in 1974...
What can they do
These two getting into fights is what got my uncle shot at Cyprus. He survived, but it's still insane and scary, a potential flashpoint to be sure. Miss you every day Uncle Brad
Brad doesnt sound like a particularly Turkish or Greek name
@@PresidentFlip
Philip von Badenberg doesn't sound like a Prince of Greece...
@@imnotyourfriendbuddy1883 well he wasn’t Greek
@@PresidentFlipthere are 2 british military bases on cyprus, one on the border between the 2 sides
Edit: there are also pleanty of foreigners on the un buffer zone
@@konstantinkousandreas6420 I know, it’s a rhetorical statement. My point is boo hoo someone’s British forefather was somewhere sticking his British nose in other people’s business and got shot at
I would be on the next flight out of the US to join the Greek army if it happened
“…Enter Ionia, the cradle of thought
The architecture of understanding” …
Lyrics from “The greatest show on earth” by NIGHTWISH
This is what the Turks do not have and are envious of Greeks for … civilization
Greek F-16s vs Turkish F-16s. The winner is... Lockheed for selling both sides more jets.
underrated comment
There is one detail you forget to mention, if you look at the Treaty of Lausanne, Greece is occupying illegaly some of those small so called grey islands which many of them are Turkish and arming the agean islands also is against the treaty.
1 Imbros Tenedos according Lawssane treaty must had been self governed without turkis army when the population was Greek
Today only a few Greeks lives there
2 Greek minority in Konstantpoli - over to 150000 untill 20s was protected by Laussane treaty too but after pogrom( September 1955) they destroyed
They who violated treaty wasnt Greeks lol
If it does happen, I guarantee you most other members of NATO would take Greece's side. I think they've about had enough with Turkey at this point
That would be dumb
@@chiapets2594no. Keeping Turkey in NATO is dumb.
@@wolfecanada6726what are you galking about
Nah, that would require money and political will which I don't feel anyone, besides maybe the US and France, would be willing to sacrifice.
@@barsukascool do you seriously not realize just how much of an absolute laughingstock the Turkish military is to other NATO troops? You lost multiple Leopard 2A4 to tribesmen
Okay first of all as a Greek I have to say that the war between turkey and Greece is kind of out of the horizon. I don't say it's impossible but the chances are exponentially low. The Turkish citizens as also the Greek citizens respect each other and I'm not talking about the facist ones. All this is basically a deadly Monopoly game with turkey and Greece over island disputes resources and expansion. Accidents will continue to happen but a war with the two NATO countries doesn't benefit any of the two Nations.
It doesn't benefit.... It benefits those who don't have any rights and suddenly will magically obtain them. It is the same old, same old. Nothing new under the sun. It is all HARAM however. And you know this.
The only nation wants war between us is Uncle Sam!
@@eyupozkan204 are we as Greek people allowed to exist as free of harassment? Huh? Whose provoking all of this for Uncle Sam to come in and take advantage? Huh? And don't give the the spiel about the coastlines and the access to the Mediterranean... How many times do we have to defend our right to exist in our own country?
@@miastupid7911 you are not defending you are expanding. Increase means expansion not defense
@@Gho0O0ost35 increase where? Where are we increasing into? We were subjugated for 400 years and never increased anywhere. We are indeed being pushed back. Just look at Cyprus today as we speak. Just look at the Holiest of our Cathedrals and whose using it as a museum and what else! Enough! Go spoke someone else. Im not buying any of it, and the world has digital eyes now 24/7!
3 or more ads on a 15 minute video is a new one for me. That’s unacceptable. Typically you only see 1 ad in a 10 minute video.
We've been watching these videos for 15 years...
Really great video! loving them very much. Would have loved to see the map of the contested territorial waters of the Aegean Sea.
You can't really say islands are too close to X country, the same applies both ways, Turkish mainland is too close to Greek islands...
I'm imagining Sweden telling Denmark their islands are too close and sorry, but the Danes are just going to have to leave Sjælland.
This is Delusion
normaly. Those island should be belong to Anatolia.
@@serkantemiz7565if the crazy hat nut job say so 😂😂😂😂😂
That’s the whole issue.
Turkey has always been the aggressor in this story. Greeks can admit their retaliations. Turkey hasn’t admitted to any genocide or land grabs. Which is crazy considering majority of Turkish lands were Greek at one point
the conflicts always happen in both countries usually before elections or during political crisis
There is no legal basis to "Grey Zones", it is not a legal term. All Greek islands are part of Greece and all islands not specifilically enumerated in the Treaty of Lausanne are also specified as belonging to Greece.
Demarcated as demilitarised
@@skp8748world law of self defence is superior to the treaty turkey doesn't follow yet demands greece to follow
Breaking treaties does have a legal basis and treaties are by definition legal entities.
Just sayin....
@@williamdavis9562 but can a country that breaking a treaty in multiple rules complain about a country breaking 1 for reasons of self defence when the one complaining is the reason for the self defense???
@@FIRE-zt6vw If they have hostile islands 1 mile off their coast armed to the teeth?
Yes.
You can argue all day and night about the rightousness of your cause. None of that will change what will happen if a conflict erupts because you feel the need to poke your neighbor in the eye.
Your neighbors aren't the most rational people around, I'm sure that is a fact you know well. Although I'm starting to question how rational you are poking a nation armed to the teeth in the eye over and over again.
Mostly unrelated note. It's crazy how similar to the world map of Greece looks to the map of the game of Assassin's Creed Odyssey. Lol
Well, we are the same people. Same names, same islands and evolved but same culture.
bro said greek genocide thats insane pls make usa recognize my ass hair genocide as well
Thank you for shedding light on the Greek genocide. When people think of genocide they automatically think of the holocaust and rightfully so, but nobody realises that Hitler's inspiration for the holocaust came from the Greek Armenian and Assyrian genocide where villages of people would be crammed into the churches which would then be set alight by the Kemalist Turks or the death marches that were carried out. It would be amazing if you were to do a video dedicated to the Greek, Armenian and Assyrian genocide and it would do a lot of good to spread knowledge of it to the wider population, many of which have no idea that it even happened. This is not to say Greeks and Turks should hate each other to this day because the majority of the population on both sides do not resent each other but it is important to recognise these events so that they don't happen again in the future.
Recognising something doesn't guarantee that it won't happen again. That is if it ever happened, what you're claiming is highly disputed still, not only by Turkiye whether you believe it or not. Kemalist Turks weren't a thing until the foundation of Turkish Republic, in addition, Mustafa Kemal was busy fighting in Gallipoli while the Armenians were being deported. Your name being "hellenic300" shows your bias.
@@kasadam85 it is literally only disputed by the Turks. There is extensive evidence from many sources (many being non Greek). Just takes a bit of research into the subject rather than just reading my UA-cam tag.
@@hellenic300 while France italy and england are splitting turkish territory on map at the same year, you dont say they are not biased right 😂
@@hellenic300 Learn how to use the world literally, I can name American and British historians arguing against it. People like you compare a deportation to an event like holocaust because of your butthurt in history.
Rest in peace to those that passed away.
If Civilization taught me anything, Late stage wars are just too expensive for all parties involved.
If only
The truth is, this man knows neither history nor Maritime Law.
What about people?!
Aegean sea is a Greek archipelago. For the first time the word archipelago has been used since ancient times for the Aegean.
The inhabitants of the Aegean islands always belonged to the Greek nation for thousands of years.(even on the coasts of Asia Minor , DNA test confirm).
Also you forgot to mention the resolutions of the United Nations on the issue of Cyprus.
Finally. A crusade for Constantinople like I’ve been waiting for
Never gonna happen. Cope harder
Then go fight in a war yourself. Why should people have to die over petty nationalist ideology?
Larp
Extremely biased nonsense, first of all it completely ignored Greek atrocities against Muslim civilians, for example check out what happened in Morea or Crete that entire Muslim population were slaughtered by Greeks! Their atrocities continued in Anatolia after their invasion in 1919 and it was actually one of main reasons why Entente powers stopped supporting Greece but ofc he somehow ''missed'' all of those!! Also Turkey will never ever attack Greece unless Greece attacks Turkey first simply because 65% of Turkish exports are going to western countries. So even if there was no military action against Turkey (Can't happen anyway) there would be insane amount of economic damage from western countries stop importing Turkish products alone.
Western countries can not take direct military actions against Turkey simply because there won't be any legal base for them to do so! He made extremely poor job explaining why those islets and rocks considered as grey zone for avoiding to admit they are indeed grey zones!! Turkey and Greece signed treaty of Lausanne in 1923 which very stricly determines which islands belongs to who and even adds demilitarization status to islands very close to Turkey. But there is a problem not all Aegean islands were controlled by Greece or Turkey in 1923 rather Italy controlled southern half of islands called Dodecanese islands so treaty of Lausanne couldn't determine their status. After WW2 all Dodecanese islands were ceded to Greece despite Turkey's objection as there are many islands, islets and rocks should be ceded to Turkey according to treaty of Lausanne if it effected entire Aegean. So currently there is no agreement between Greece and Turkey determining who owns those islets and rocks and there are indeed grey zones. As a result vast majority of ''Turkish airspace violations'' happening over those islands as Turkey doesn't see them as Greek airspace, on the other hand Greece sees them as their true airspace and they also violate Turkish airspace as a retaliation and this stupid violation game escalates which once again was ignored for obvious reasons..
About natural resources there is ABSOLUTELY nothing found yet in the disputed area so it is just political BS to claim the dispute is about natural resources. Turkey didn't sign UNCLOS same as USA, Israel etc and UNCLOS is not binding between Greece and Turkey. So Greece has absolutely no right to increase their territorial waters to 12 miles one sidedly which has devastating results for Turkey. First of all entire Aegean becomes a Greek sea and sea route to Istanbul would be completely blocked as remaining Turkish territorial waters which is as narrow as 600 metres in some places can not allow large ships to sail. Because of same reason many Turkish ports including İzmir port which is second largest port in Turkey would literally become landlocked. Lets exchange shoes if Turkey was trying to do this and block Greece's access to international waters and landlock it's ports many people who are supporting Greece now were going to be against Turkey claiming it was unfair Turkey to do so, simply because they are just two faced clowns!! It is again UNCLOS which gives Greece right to claim a large EEZ even against mainland Anatolia. To be fair some people defend Greek EEZ claims over Anatolian mainland isn't official claims but Greece even tried to build a gas pipeline in the region with Israel and Cyprus so Greece indeed claims those waters. A tiny island that you need magnifiying glass to see on a map and there are only 300 people are living can not reduce mainland Anatolia's EEZ where 84 million people are living, nobody in their right mind would accept this..
Turkey will never ever accept Greece increasing it's territorial waters and blocking Turkish access to international waters rather consider it as a declaration of war, in fact Turkey stated this decades ago not with erdogan. So unless Greece does territorial water increase or start building pipelines under disputed waters there will be no war but if they do you can bet there will be a war..
Bring it up, it's been way too long since we last slaughtered a crusader army))
The only issue between the two countries recognised by both sides is the delimitation of sovereign waters.
Λαθος μεγαλο.Οι Τουρκοι εχουν κατεχομενα στη Κυπρο , εχουν εκδοσει καζους μπελι αν επεκτεινουμε τα χωρικα μας υδατα(οπως εχουμε δικαιωμα να κανουμε μονομερως) , μας διεξαγουν υβριδικο πολεμο εδω και δεκαετιες ,παραβιαζουν υδατινο και εναεριο χωρο.Θες κ αλλα;
@konstantintrehagyrevopoulo972 Yes, I said "recognised by both sides". What you are saying is true, but it is a unilateral claim of Turkey
@konstantintrehagyrevopoulo972 thats what it should be, half of aegean sea goes to greece and other half goes to turkey, problem solved.
@@cenk.3467 thank you for telling it like you want it. Don't leave anyone doubting. At least you spell it out for all of us to witness and wake up. You are a true turk. Nothing has changed. You just proved it for all to see.
@@miastupid7911 "You are a true turk" it makes me proud reading that. Also im right half of the aegean sea should go to greece and other half goes to turkiye. Problem solv-
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turkiye should take entire cyprus, we already have half of it, it is closer to us than it is to greece.
War sucks but can you just imagine like
"2023 - The Battle of The Bosporus"
Everyone except Greece and Türkiye expects Greece and Turkey to fight.
Personally I don’t think NATO would chose a side but I think separate countries like France that has a defense pact with Greece would pick a side
You can also probably make a safe bet that if some of the US’s closest allies (like France, perhaps also the UK) were to definitively back Greece, the US would join in. While the US obviously wants Turkey to remain an ally due to the Turkish strait, their continued aggression, hostility to the West, and friendliness with Moscow has certainly bothered them. The US might see such a war as a chance to topple the Turkish government and install a more pro-Western regime. Erdogan would be wise to consider that before making any rash decisions. While the US might not have a great record of nation-building, we have certainly proved in recent years that if we want a government to collapse, it’s basically just another Tuesday for the Pentagon.
@Da_Elder. It won't matter which side EU nations choose. None of them have the military capability to do anything about it.
All eyes will be on Washington if something like this were to happen. France would just make a lot of noise and make a lot of statements and wait for Washington to respond.
@@skiracerrayI think even if NATO didn't intervene, more countries would support Greece. But I think NATO should intervene, because keeping a member who attacked another member could lead to the rise of conflicts among allied states in the future. It's best NATO intervenes, takes control of the Bosphorus straits and installs a friendly pro-Eu government in Turkey.
@@Player-re9mo "It's best NATO intervenes, takes control of the Bosphorus straits and installs a friendly pro-Eu government in Turkey."
There is a less retarded and racist option:
They just deescalate the situation.
And there is an even less retarded solution to this problem:
Both sides go infront of the court and solve the EEZ dispute.
Imagen thinking that you can just attack, murder a few million people and establish a pro-something government, supporting your racist cause.
Extremely biased nonsense, first of all it completely ignored Greek atrocities against Muslim civilians, for example check out what happened in Morea or Crete that entire Muslim population were slaughtered by Greeks! Their atrocities continued in Anatolia after their invasion in 1919 and it was actually one of main reasons why Entente powers stopped supporting Greece but ofc he somehow ''missed'' all of those!! Also Turkey will never ever attack Greece unless Greece attacks Turkey first simply because 65% of Turkish exports are going to western countries. So even if there was no military action against Turkey (Can't happen anyway) there would be insane amount of economic damage from western countries stop importing Turkish products alone.
Western countries can not take direct military actions against Turkey simply because there won't be any legal base for them to do so! He made extremely poor job explaining why those islets and rocks considered as grey zone for avoiding to admit they are indeed grey zones!! Turkey and Greece signed treaty of Lausanne in 1923 which very stricly determines which islands belongs to who and even adds demilitarization status to islands very close to Turkey. But there is a problem not all Aegean islands were controlled by Greece or Turkey in 1923 rather Italy controlled southern half of islands called Dodecanese islands so treaty of Lausanne couldn't determine their status. After WW2 all Dodecanese islands were ceded to Greece despite Turkey's objection as there are many islands, islets and rocks should be ceded to Turkey according to treaty of Lausanne if it effected entire Aegean. So currently there is no agreement between Greece and Turkey determining who owns those islets and rocks and there are indeed grey zones. As a result vast majority of ''Turkish airspace violations'' happening over those islands as Turkey doesn't see them as Greek airspace, on the other hand Greece sees them as their true airspace and they also violate Turkish airspace as a retaliation and this stupid violation game escalates which once again was ignored for obvious reasons..
About natural resources there is ABSOLUTELY nothing found yet in the disputed area so it is just political BS to claim the dispute is about natural resources. Turkey didn't sign UNCLOS same as USA, Israel etc and UNCLOS is not binding between Greece and Turkey. So Greece has absolutely no right to increase their territorial waters to 12 miles one sidedly which has devastating results for Turkey. First of all entire Aegean becomes a Greek sea and sea route to Istanbul would be completely blocked as remaining Turkish territorial waters which is as narrow as 600 metres in some places can not allow large ships to sail. Because of same reason many Turkish ports including İzmir port which is second largest port in Turkey would literally become landlocked. Lets exchange shoes if Turkey was trying to do this and block Greece's access to international waters and landlock it's ports many people who are supporting Greece now were going to be against Turkey claiming it was unfair Turkey to do so, simply because they are just two faced clowns!! It is again UNCLOS which gives Greece right to claim a large EEZ even against mainland Anatolia. To be fair some people defend Greek EEZ claims over Anatolian mainland isn't official claims but Greece even tried to build a gas pipeline in the region with Israel and Cyprus so Greece indeed claims those waters. A tiny island that you need magnifiying glass to see on a map and there are only 300 people are living can not reduce mainland Anatolia's EEZ where 84 million people are living, nobody in their right mind would accept this..
Turkey will never ever accept Greece increasing it's territorial waters and blocking Turkish access to international waters rather consider it as a declaration of war, in fact Turkey stated this decades ago not with erdogan. So unless Greece does territorial water increase or start building pipelines under disputed waters there will be no war but if they do you can bet there will be a war...
The history bit at the start missed out 1453...
That being sad I wish, as we all do here, above all: Agreements and PEACE for the sake of the two people & much more