South Africa: Ramaphosa, Zuma Gear Up For Coalition Talks As ANC Loses Majority | Firstpost Africa
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- South Africa: Ramaphosa, Zuma Gear Up For Coalition Talks As ANC Loses Majority | Firstpost Africa
South Africa is set for a major shift in its political landscape. For the first time in 30 years, political parties in South Africa are gearing up to form a coalition government. Partial results show the African National Congress, or the ANC, is set to fall well short of a majority in the national assembly, but is likely to remain the largest party. According to results so far, the ANC has around 42% support. Jacob Zuma's MK party is emerging as the third-largest. The African National Congress is now expected to turn to smaller parties for support in the national assembly. For now, Zuma's MK party has ruled out a coalition with Ramaphosa's ANC. What's interesting to see is how political alliances shape up in South Africa. Watch this video for details.
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Am Kenyan but i don't support ANC they are holding you guys by the balls and you can't do nothing. I wish you could make the right choice
just focus in your country's problems
Kenya is doing better then SA
@@Dexs59Good then it has nothing to do with us let focus on our country.
Why are you so rude. Africa is for African. Fortunately all foreigners are waiting for papers to relocate.. Good news for us South Africa @siyabulelasono5357
Slaves loving their master😂
SA has been a one party state for 30 years. Maybe a coalition will be a good thing.
Lol that's never happening because of greed and selfish motives, it's same in most African countries. Coup de tat is what must happen to bring radical change in most African countries .
Maybe
Nah the political landscape is very different in south africa. It's mostly divided by race, religion and ethnicity.
When these parties come together they have very different views and this creates rifts
If it works out well , hopefully we won't see the circus that played out in Jhb metro
@@1961reytoo many makwere-kweres in gauteng
Loadshedding is back in full swing
😊😢
Each and everything happens for a reason now this is the time for all South Africans to pull up their socks and work together to make this country we love to be the best country for all of us. There's no time for anyone else who like good things to happen in this country and to be developed and renewed for another generation to come and the people must stop judging one another instead of founding the solution to solve the problems. All those comments won't solve anything, let us work together to rescue South Africa with love , peace, and unity and go forward.
@user-oo8vs6ho4x
*The truth is the ONLY thing that matters nothing else have merit*
In the past it used to be SA vs Oppression. Today it's SA vs Corruption. We have come far as a nation and I can speak for everyone by saying that we all just want to see our beautiful nation prosper.
ANC cronyism won’t get South Africa there .
...and be united... and have peace .....and have water ....and have electricity... and be free from corruption.... and be free from the high crime rate ....and have a decent education for all ....and have jobs for all ....and have leaders who can unite for the good of the people and not fight amongst themselves as to who must be on the gravy train.
Government of the cooked votes results.
Crooks +Crooks =disaster.......
Crooks is Devils Alliance
@@zulu9357 you people will never learn
@@MatthewLevey-dk6kzthey wont, in their small brain , white man bad
@@MatthewLevey-dk6kzlol we still learning how we lost our land from foreigners AKa whites so don't try to be smart here ,we all know who's crooks
Well said 👍
I wish the opposition unites and locks out ANC from power
Is not likely EFF + MK + DA just doesn't make sense
It's unlikely, the strongest opposition are not theiving Marxists
In your dreams
I think if ur not a South African u have just keep quiet coz is not ur country ...we are going to sort out self out we don't need the visitor to help us pls
What opposition? The DA got it's + - 22% and will always get it's + - 22%. Nothing changed.
That would mean that SA would be F.U.B.A.R.!😊
It the ANC government does to you what the Apartheid government did to you. Do to the ANC what you did to the Apartheid government... Nelson Mandela
Nelson Mandela has past the A N C is no longer his party. It must be judged on its accomplishments and failures.
Now i understand when zuma said he formed MK to save ANC
Lol... nope. He did it to save himself. His party has said they will only consider going into coalition with parties that will grant Zuma Presidential pardon and amnesty.
We all know politicians are there to serve themselves
The creation of MK is what has happened to any other countries that are still run by the parties that got the independece. MK was created to disperse the votes and it paid off. Therefore, ANC = ANC + MK, so the majority is a fact for them😂😂😂
I doubt Mk will go in coalition with ANC with the conditions attached to it
@@simga849you nailed it. The MK was sponsored by the USA because of the Israel genocide case at the ICJ. They're nothing more than a CIA project. Regime change was their objective.
Corruption has consequences
Not at all , they love corruption, they all want to receive the corrupt proceedings, Jacob Zuma lost the presidency because of corruption and they still voted for him
I have to stand up and applaud all South Africans for conducting a peaceful and enviable election, no noise, no blood shed, not even a baby cried during the elections
Thts how SAFRICANS are very peaceful ✌️ pple who knw how to behave and conduct themselves 😮
Zuma & ANC haven't recognize that it's their last dance.
With time 2030....
Surely Zuma in his 80s certainly knows
Do you understand that what is being said is the opinion of this channel?
Eish Msholozi akanokwenza lonto
All when Zuma dead stupid people will still vote for him, black people love corruption, they all want to receive it
A Coalition without the anc is possible, but someone is going to save a dying horse?
MK is ANC take it from me
Quite right. Whole thing smoke and mirrors. But mzanzi might not accept it kindly.
Agreed that was the initial plan,Ramaposa has to go,and a new constitution is on the cards,
Yea back to the future only this time,the man who lost the presidency over corruption will be deputy; two things black people love is corruption and complaining, they have no interest in changes or actions
They fooled the poor voters 😪
Did not fool me.
Fake news.
Black voters like corruption,they all want to be the one receiving it , they voted for the former president who lost the Presidency because of corruption
They poored the fool voters
Yoh EFF took a massive loss here.
Yeah, but if they are chosen as part of coalition it doesn't matter, they will have first real chance to governing. We shall see what they have to offer.
its just a 1% decline that's stable ...ANC are the biggest losers here its only that EFF is trending because people hate them🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
One thing for sure it's time will come
Malema must learn not to speak against other race groups
The EFF is stubbirn like its father, the ANC. We told them that their one-sided open border will haunt them in the 2024 elections, like their father the ANC, the EFF kept its political aloofness.
ANC and DA coalition is the only hope for SA now without it the downward spiral will continue.
Civil war ?
@@vonfluffykins5868 no Economic downward spiral more likely.
@@vonfluffykins5868
I hope you are not wishing for civil war, rather be kind and pray for blessings upon this country
Nah
The ANC should not be involved in government
Ramaphosa is writing a resignation letter I bet
Cyril don’t make a mistake Mr President go with the DA for a great future.
I would advice ANC to join DA and form Goverment for Republic o South Africa.That will bring NEW BLOOD into the Lithargic ANC.
I will like to see a coalition between ANC, MK AND EFF. This will be the best choice to take South Africa forward in my opinion.
All and all African God bless you all and all 😊
If the ANC & MK form a pact, we are doomed. Likewise, if the ANC & EFF form a pact, we will have Zimbabwe 2.0
We won't have a disaster because we now have new trading partners in BRICS. This is what the West and the billionaires don't want. And that is why they are about to capture our country all over again. They will make Zuma and the Guptas look like amateurs.
And DA doesn't want coalition
Doomed is correct , ZUMA must be saying to himself he has been rewarded for his past corruption
Kade saglupheka kudlalwa ngabantu kusile manje thatha Mk sinawo Msholoz ❤❤❤❤
AS OF NOW LETS MAKE OUR COUNTRY THE BEST IN THE WORLD BY CHANGING OUR ATTITUDE TOWARDS ALL AND EVERYTHING .
Ramaphosa must step down as a President time has come to step down
Unbeknown to you sir. Ramaphosa wanted to resign twice and the NEC declined. What has he got to do with an old man who has sold the country to the Guptas? How much has he stolen? Arrest him if he's guilty of a crime. Tribalism will surely bring SA Inc to it's knees. Not too long, KZN will demand independence 😂😂😂😂😂
@@dumisanichibi1326 you started well with your first sentence and then started talking nonsense.
@@SLKZ-x1q😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The amount of looting that would take place if this happens.. putting the 2 most corrupt presidents together - we would deserve the hell that would come next 🇿🇦
Zuma was not proven to be corrupt!
@@spheleleNgubane-wf4de and he didn't admit and apologize for using public money to renovate his home?
@@spheleleNgubane-wf4de 1. He came to power as a compromised figure. He’d got his 783 charges of corruption, racketeering and money-laundering dropped in a dodgy decision.
2. He had also just survived a rape trial.
3. He factionalised the ANC leading to the instability in these elections.
4. State capture led to to corrupting the political process in several province and enrichment of himself and his son.
5. Oversaw the state-owned entities reached the point of implosion - SAA, Eskom, Transnet, SARS
6. He used public funds to upgrade his personal home at Nkandla, apparently he was entitled to a quarter of a billion rands being spent on his kraal.
7. Zuma also corrupted the political process, by means of patronage dispensed to supporters such as the “premier league”.
The list goes on and on.. but just ask yourself what did he do right? What did he do to halt economic decline or prevent investment downgrades? Which piece of legislation that he sponsored was likely to actually improve the lives of the poorest of the country? I certainly can’t think of anything.
Sugar cane plantation!
@@NomvuseleloNkomo wow, an illiterate racist MK supporter.. what a surprise 😳 😅
Putin (Russia) the boss has spoken, Africa leaders must adhered to his instructions. If ANC goes in coalition with this zuma, Ramaphosa is out as president. Dark period for South Africa if this happens
Who hurt you? 😀
It was dark under the ANC when ZUMA was president, people felt it an saw it and they still voted for him, now he is even bolder because he is saying to himself he has been rewarded for his past corruption
Mk should never liase with ANC! They imprisoned him they're his real enemy. He is better off with EFF and DA. ANC had taken people for granted. I think it's their time up to leave office.
When you are involved in corruption as president what should happen to you.
One thing I know black people love corruption, they just want to be the recipient
What faction? Ramaphosa cleaned the faction, the ANC faction is outside in a form of the MK Party and ACT. The very same Ramaphosa cdes will remove him.
It’s it too premature to call the votes before the metros are counted?
Down with the Anc
mashatile is no better than ramaphosa , he is already implicated in tenders given to his sons
A DA & ANC coalition is maybe the best mix of two worlds
I don't understand ANC was 40% on Thursday morning until today is still 40%
Who ever thought ANC will bring us here.........never imagined, better ff+ govern us, we have failed ourselves
We told you that this will happen but you never listened. You cannot fool the people forever.🤣🤣🤣🤣
Voetsek with your ff+ they’ll never be in power
It is worth noting that not even half of the population voted
We shall be soon marching to UK to demand our land
I can see that Ramaphosa wouldn't want Mk and EFF to be in power that leave him with no choice but to go back home which is DA
Wish Africans could stop personal clashes and think about ehat to do to save the country from wolves in sheep skins. Because if that happens wolves will not differentiate between the sheep.
Ethnical wars😮
Firstly what a stunningly beautiful presenter. Ok change is needed. These people need to retire
Granted you're telling it like it is. In my book, Naledi Pandor is the best Dirco minister we've ever had as a country. Competency and knowledgeability should be considered above slates and factions. SA needs political education to be added as a compulsory learning area at school. Most people are cheque collectors and do not add value in parliament.
What a confusing and awful system!!
EFF and MK is a dissatisfied part of ANC
I love and appreciate how in South Africa, everyone enjoys, respects and celebrates democracy no matter the results.
Democracy where 😆😆
Now is the time for all African head must come under one acord and stop the gread power Africa❤🇹🇹
Shame to Ramaphosa how can you bring down ANC by wanting Zuma involved
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We welcome ANC and MK Coalition or MK Party and IFP make Mr Ntuli as Premier of KZN
More fire Ramaphosa
What could possibly go wrong?
ANC and MK collision that will be madness cayos corruption to the last degree
As long as the DA don't rule south Africa the rest should work things out amongst themselves
A pact can even be formed with DA.There is no problem in doing that.
Nobody mentions Putins money at play via MK. Strange?
Dr. Mulder did on biznews
@@dk.650 oh, good to see somebody is awake. Now watch how the MK buys a coaltion with the ANC.
Is Putin's money any worse than Oppenheimer money? They've sponsored small parties to split the vote so that there is no coalition with the eff. They are afraid of nationalization. They haven't made enough billions over multiple generations from mines that should be the nation's assets.
Any evidence?
@@Hep-Chics do you really think pudding will go public?
Do you have any understanding of kremlin loyalty?
Do you know zuma was trained by the kgb?
Do you know zumas sickness treatment in cuba was a decoy?
Do you know that zuma wanted to reward pudding with a nuclear contract worth trillions?
Do you know that MK campaign was financed by pudding?
If you dont know above mentioned topics, ask any western intelligence agency....they will confirm.
Too personal is your words Mr
For a good government shouldn't be nothing personal
LETS US JOIN TOGETHER AND DO WHATS BEST FOR SOUTH AFRICA AND ITS PEOPLE..
God forbid!!!!!
Malema with all the noise only got 9?
Black people love corruption, they all want to receive it , so Malema is not their man, black people like to complain they don’t want change and action
They should go ask Palestinians for Votes. You leave your home uncared for, and go fighting a battle that is non of your business. Better the SA people did what they needed to do
Mk is ANC trump card and nobody saw it
Ramaphosa must step down to save ANC
After stepping down he must face the music corruption,state capture😊
I beg to differ,actually he must instead step up to save Africa through BRICS.
Actually he must instead step up to save Africa through BRICS
@@hughmaseko9780 To late to for that voter's has spoken step down Phalaphala
IEC is a disastrously place to let count with 30 percenters
ANC should merge with ACDP and get repentance
Hot Air Malema Trails
WE ARE DOOMED ANC STILL HAS MORE VOTERS GOD HELP US IWANTED A CHANGE B BUT NO CHANGE AT ALL.
I,m begging ANC leadership please don't form any coalition with MK party and EFF because they are hatred to Ramaposa they will make our beautiful country ungovernable I would rather prefer DA than those destructive parties
Go to Jail first.....
I am proudly South African 🇿🇦
Going into collision with Zuma's MK will be suicidal for the ANC.
Let's not forget that the state of economy of the country was as a result of the 9 years of looting by Zuma and his Gupta lads.
Unfortunately Zuma is a chess player and he plays to win.
Very good analysis from lukhona 🎉
A good one for that matter...8
True
They are 40% and Zuma is 11.50% then ANC can negotiate with MK and rule for ever
That's the plan. They can try. I guess Mzanzi will rise against it.
Zuma and Anc plannen that they must take Zuma quickly out of prison so that he votes for them.
ANC WAS AWARE THAT THEY WILL BE UR 50%.Zuma and is onething,its always been like that.Zuma said that h is ANC during his campaign.He was campagning for ANC all along.
It was their strategie
History repeats it self
Why are democracies very expensive and democratic countries very corrupt?
So people who voted for the ANC mandate will be ruled by a party they did not vote for. 😂😂😂😂
MK is controlled opposition
May God help us in Jesus name 🙏🏾
Polotics & God don't mix
@@nhlanhlamahlangu2895do an expositional study of Daniel 10, Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28. And if you need help also thank about the nativity story, so many hidden gems if you know where and how to look.
June 3rd 2024. I hope the S African black party wins.
Naye nje lo Mamabola unentswebu ye anc ,He's definitely one of them,sizobadinda ngenduku liphume iqiniso
Politics is a game of Numbers
What about dirty. They act as if they are fighting whereas they are partners. Witches act the same way but have a common goal at night of destroying other people's lives.
We want recount not coalition.
Jesus is that you 😂
They will soon start fighting who gets the bigger chunk🤣🤣
It will be very, very smart of ANC to form a coalition with Zuma. They fooled us hard.
Zuma will not form an alliance with Ramaswamy. Not after what Ramaswamy said about Zuma.
It's Ramaphosa, Ramaswamy is an American politician.
Mk they were saving anc.they can play people
The coalition of the Parties of Ramaphosa and Zuma will bring in political stability to this great African country of South Africa.
chaos
In the end they will destroy each other. Greed, hatred, arrogance, corruption, lies, all the deadly sins combined in one basket. Don't make the mistake: Jesus Christ will judge accordingly, this country will belonge to the faithful, but how stubborn we are to repent is apparent. We shall never, but never succeed, unless we seek His will first in ever aspect of our lifes.
Zuma do not allow them to lead again, ANC.
Remember the ANC of ramaphosa is NEC without nkosasana dlamini.
The rest is anc of the people. EFF close and go back home for 2/3 majority in 2029
Mk /ANC is the coalition that is needed in South Africa. DA is a white racists party whose whites have never shed blood for the sake of a black person. DA wants to finish ANC and come back with their apartheid brutality. DA should coalition with FFPlus.
Disastrous Coalition
Gwede Mantashi tribalism statement is disrespectful , Nkosazana Zuma and Her daughter are ANC members, this shows that he doesn't like them in ANC as if he owns the party. Don't start the war please.
ANC and EFF in partnership would resolve most of the outstanding land issues among the people and bring about Pan-African borderless Africa. Zuma too old and corrupt to lead.
We pray that ANC gets removed from majority control ,n the people can still save South Africa
Nkosi sikeleliAfrika!
That would be a disaster for SA 😊
ANC need to stop these NATO coalition nonsense
this is the other thing to rule us black people the same they did in Apartheid rigem.
It has to stop right now, rule ANC, do not being rule by these looses. If you elderly can't, put Young blood in Leadership right now.
🇿🇦💚🖤💛🇿🇦
@@jacquesheunes6041Go back to Europe
@@jacquesheunes6041 I love what you said there is no White those people are pink and we are brown . We have brown skin the person who came up with race was colour blind.
Can't think of anyone worse to make a decision like this than Ramaphosa. He will fiddle till everything falls apart. Unfortunately, the ANC will probably jump into the sack with a humiliated EFF thinking it can control Juju and doomsday will trully arrive.
Flood damages of 2016 still not solved in Mariannhill. Ramaphosa must go back to where he comes from from. A billionaire who doesn’t produce anything
I have all belief in me, that the new government will stop harrassing the nation of God
Apartheid is back in SA ,oh; Father God Jesus , sent helper , Amen