My 16 JK looks new underneath, great stuff. Jeep gets blasted with plenty of salt and any other crap they throw down on the roads here in the Northeast every winter. Fluid film works.
Haha you're so right though. My uncle has had a defender. Every week it would break down. My colleague has a lifted V6 toyota hilux from 2011. It has more miles than the defender but rarely breaks down.
Many times when the frame gets replaced on the Tacoma's, they also replace the suspension components. This is probably why the front end was in good shape.
The legendary Toyota rot is well known here in northern Wisconsin, and I've witnessed those broken frames off road and in one odd instance on the ice out on a lake.
@@normt430 they did, kinda. The way that I understand it is that if the frame wasn’t bad, it would just get another coat of undercoating, and if it was really bad it would get a whole new frame. However, not everyone took their truck into the dealer for the recall, and the recall expired in 2015 I believe, so if you didn’t get your truck in in time, your out of luck. I also think I heard somewhere that Toyota originally did a recall and just did more undercoating, and then put out another recall later that would make you eligible for the frame replacement, but if your truck didn’t come in for the first recall, they would refuse to do the second recall. Don’t quote me on any of this, but I’m pretty sure this is what happened.
I'm in New England have my own shop specializing in Toyota I have welded in a lot of the safety cap repair pieces and even I make my own sometimes the safety cap pieces do not have enough coverage it's easier to just make my own
I have a 02 with the the six with 320,000 miles on it and still runs like it did when it was new. Mileage is only a number when it comes to these trucks.
Frame recall is 30-40 hours of labor depending on the truck and recall. Plus, you get new lower control arms with that recall, and this truck looks like they are newer.
Engines/transmissions last forever, on my 2002 frame was gone in 8 years also the rear end rusted a hole in the housing, Toyota replaced frame, bumpers started rusting away soon after, neighbor said I washed the truck to much. Loved that lil truck. Bought a 2015 and a couple years it showed Roy signs and I left the Toyota Brand for good.
You definitely want to coat the frame after cleaning the rust off like eastwood rust encapsulater with chassis black over top. Once its sealed and rust free then you use corrosion inhibitor, works well to protect 6 months to 1 year
@@BullittKid08 no need to go crazy just a good cleaning and a good ool based rust protection undercoating will do the job living in a crazy salted area here and still see old tacomas who were oil treated and the frames still look good the oil protects them from rust and stops the rust from spreading no need to go crazy and remova it all
I have my own shop specializing in the Tacoma and the 4Runner and I'm up in the Northeast so I know about frame rot, that's not why they rot it's because there are no drain holes in the bottom of the frame to let dirt out at those low spots it always rots where the frame drops down in the front behind the front tires and then it always rots right about where the front leaf spring Mount is and that is because they fill up with dirt sand and salt it stays in there all wet until it rots its way out, a 5/8 drain hole at each of those spots and a good shot of fluid film inside the frame rails will make your truck last a lot longer, also every time you wash it or go to the carwash blow out the inside of the frame and make sure your drains are clear, if you can keep the inside of the rail Clean and Free from dirt you'll get a lot more life out of the frame
Toyota replaced my '07 regular cab frame. Changed brake lines, tire rods, all fluids, & a frozen u joint that was causing a drone noise. Very impressed. About 4 days. Wish they would still make a regular cab.
@@brendanschroeder1862 they had sent out a card in the mail stating a frame recall program & to schedule an appointment for frame inspection at toyota dealer. This program was for quite a while but I remember when having mine done it was ending.
@@christianpastrano6247 You know GM trucks of this era, the frames rot out on them too(rear crossmember that holds the gas tank up is common). They didn't do any sort of recall.
too bad they only have the window for repair temporary. mine is ruste out but they wont do it cause i was unaware of the damage and window to fix is closed.
I saw where this year Tacoma was pushed to a million miles & still ran like new, even with the original engine & drivetrain. Maybe a transmission later, but these are great.
Frame replacement didn’t cost Toyota, it cost Dana Corp; they are the ones that supplied the frames. Toyota dealerships actually made money on the swaps. They were given all the parts and a rate for the techs to swap. 13,000 plus all the parts. Didn’t matter if it took them 3 days or three months to corporate. But for dealerships, the faster the turnaround, the more the dealerships pocketed. Their techs were expected to complete the swap within 3 days. That’s why the dealerships dreaded when people asked about add on items such as body mounts, upper and lower ball joints, or anything else not covered with the replacement; it muddy the waters and took time out of the straight forward 3 day goal.
Toytec makes a good product. I installed one of their 3” ultimate lifts on my 2006 4Runner years ago. It improved ride and handling over the worn out OEM suspension.
Toyota has notified Tacoma owners thru 2017 models to have frame inspected and coated by a dealer or future frame replacement claims will be denied, this is for certain states.
lift up IFS vehicle is pointless(cuz you'll lost your flex) if clearance is plenty, lift up LFS vehicle is very hard to done right. i always prefer almost-stock. (with under armors and rear lockers.) you know how to build a rig too 😄
@@CHMernerner Thanks. Looks like we see eye to eye. This build should be about BANG FOR THE BUCK and the K.I.S.S principle. One thing I didn't say before is that the new tires should be kept stock size or only slightly bigger. This way there's much less power loss and no need to re-gear. With it's short wheel base and light weight this truck can punch way above it's class with very few modifications. I had a 93 2wd that I put a Lock-Right in and kept 205/75-R14 snow tires on it and with the go pedal firmly planted, it dropped many jaws with unexpected preference in the snow and mud.
Recalls are up to 2017 now? So in other words they are still making garbage frames? Wouldn’t you think they would make an improvement to keep it from happening? Are the replacement frames any better than the originals? I wouldn’t want a truck that had the frame replaced. Can you imagine all the issues after someone tore the entire truck apart and put it back together! I’ll stick with my 02 ford ranger with the 4.0 v6 and 296,000 miles- original engine and manual transmission. Engine has never been apart, even the water pump and starter is original.
Recall was for the colder winter States, Virginia was in the recall but mine here in NC wasn't. '02 w 385k, whole life outside, zero rust. I've always tried to keep it off the road when snow/ice ...good info from this mechanic smart though.
Good inspection video! Great information. Fact; I’m the second owner of my ‘07 Tacoma TRD, and Toyota sent me a letter to take my truck into their shop where I received a full frame media blast (no rust) and new mechanically bonded epoxy coating applied.. for free!
Hi guys. Love your content. I watch almost everything you do. A little constructive criticism from my perspective... Click bait titles are beneath you. You don’t need them and they insult your viewers (in my opinion). Keep making great content. Happy new year!
Bought a brand new Toyota Hi Lux 4x4 in 1990, had a 2.4 litre diesel engine, front and rear live axles, waxoyled entire chassis inside and out and all axle and suspension parts, sold it just over two years later without ANY rust showing and the roads here are salted in the winter.
I can't either.... My dad had it done on his 2001 tundra in 2014-15 or so. The truck had 200k miles on it at the time and lived it's life commuting up salty major highways into boston (so it was always saturated with salt everywhere, they salt the heck of of those major commuting corridors). Everything was just so rusty i couldn't believe they didn't just buy the truck back... There was a decent list of things that had to be replaced at the same time due to excess rust (spare tire carrier and mechanism, 1 front control arm, some brake lines, various bolts, and a few more things i don't remember). Short of rust on everything else, i have the truck now and it has a few k shy of 300k miles. It's a good truck, but a rusty nightmare... Time for it to go. The rear end also rusted through in about 5 places and i slathered rtv all over it to keep the oil in. (Non replaceable cover).
The real sad part is the frames are made by DANA CORP. I have seen rusted frames at my local dealer. I have pics on my fone. I had a 2013 Tacoma....i had DIAMONDKOTE applied when new. The salesman asked me if I wanted it. I said why not. Cost me $600 a d they would touch it up once a year. So, if you do rust protection and a car wash with under carriage blast...frame will not rust at all save for normal surface rust here and there. Toyota powertrains rarely fail
Most manufacturers wouldn’t take any responsibility for an 18 year old truck. Not even a 6 year old one actually. The only thing promised is 3/36 ...usually.
@@JimmyMakingitwork recalls are forced though... Ford had a recall on 10y old windstar / freestar vans around the time of the toyota frame thing... Cheaper than a truck frame, but still expensive for vans that filled the scrapyards , come to think of it i haven't seen one of them in a while.
@@JimmyMakingitwork Safety recalls ignore warranty time windows. Just like when GM had the ignition switch issue, or Toyota had the unintended acceleration issue. The frame breaking in half because of the lack e-coating is a major safety issue.
I will be watching this series since I own a 1999 Tacoma 4cyl. regular cab 2.7 manual. I'm the original owner with 155k miles. Looking forward to how far they go with upgrades.
Latest frame recall for rust was from 1995-2000 the 2015 frame recall was incorrect accesory screws which could result in bad crash performance with a front fender Ford had to recall for that too back when iihs realised attatching a front fender with scrws at the back of chassis resulted in worse accidents but it wasn't a full frame recall but just changing where accessories were attached. 2015 model had a 12 year frame warranty extension.
I should mention, I personally own a 2015 and the frame is in excellent shape. Looks almost new when it's washed. And I live in the Northeast (New Jersey) where they put salt everywhere (besides which I'm only a few miles from the ocean so, salt in the air.) That being said, I take really good care of it (wash and fluidfilm from time to time underneath, which isn't that hard.) But I'm the second owner and I doubt the first owner did all that. So long way of saying the frame seems fine. If they're still having preventable issues though due to bad quality control or suppliers they should have corrected that long ago.
@@shawnglass893 I moved from Pennsylvania to North Carolina and the frame on my 2015 started rusting they said it should be coated but they dont do it down here , said I would have to have it done up north .
@@mikeclassing5263 right. Of course, all frames rust eventually, if they're in an environment with high moisture and other corrosive elements. The issue with some of the Toyota's is excessive/early rust. I looked at a 2014 FJ from my area earlier this year that I was considering buying, and it looked dreadful. I was almost afraid to touch certain areas of the frame they looked so thinned out from rust. Just something to be aware of with these vehicles. The truck hasn't given me any other issues (it's my second Toyota) That's weird they won't do the coating in NC? Will they give you a courtesy vehicle in the meantime? Or are they saying you'd have to make that trip yourself?
Crown, Fluid Film, NHOU Oil base coating undercoating is 100% recommended in the salt belt states. Never go with anything that claims to encapsulate rust.
I have a 98 Tacoma extra cab sr5 2.7 5speed I've had a lot of trucks in my life probably 25 or more except for my 83 Toyota 4 x 4 this is one of the best I've had it's a great engine and the drivetrain is Bulletproof people ask me if it's for sale all the time I've had a few good offers but I'll never sell it I plan to drive this truck for the rest of my life also picked up a third gen 4Runner SR5 3.4 5 speed, another great truck it's basically a Tacoma SUV
If you are planning on lifting that truck I would suggest that you replace the needle bearing on the drivers side in the 4wd carrier with the clamshell bushings from east coast gear supply because if you don’t I can guarantee you’ll have a problem with it down the road
Friend of mine that works at Toyota said it was costing Toyota between $12,000 and $13,000 to do the frame swaps because of course rotted brake lines bad shocks bad leaf springs etc etc and labor, but he told me the mechanics love doing them once they did a couple they had it down pat and they were beating the rate so making a lot of money on them
They did my 01reg cab 5 speed in 2010, parts $7326.45, Labor $3000.00, total $10326.45 and a 2010 Silverardo crew cab for 28 days, $1000. Traded it in 3 years ago for an 11 FJC
I use to work for them 35-43 hours depending on which model was being done. It was a 10,000 to 13,000 repair depending on if any additional parts were needed. I've helped many custers get their frame replaced
I wonder if Tacomas that lived in Colorado needed frame replacements. I asked a co worker who has this same truck in the video and he didn't even know there was a frame recall and his truck looks clean.
Just think of all the vehicles with products from the DANA plant that received the same metallurgy and no voluntary recall...my ‘99 taco apparently got the minimal zinc bath because the frame looks as good as this one.
I’m the original owner of my 2001 standard cab. Mine is literally the same truck but white with a 6 inch lift, 35s, a true track, and 4:88’s. My frame is original and looks brand new, it makes your frame look old. I never heard of first gen frame issues.
the 2004 Tacoma's and back actually did not get a frame replacement, it was purchased back by Toyota for 1 1/2 times full KBB value. We had one purchased back at our dealership. The 2005 and up had frame replacement.
I inherited a 2002 Tundra with 39K on it a couple of years ago. It needed to have the frame replaced which Toyota did under recall. The frame replacement cost Toyota a little over $12,000.00 (book value is only about $5,000) in addition to the cost of the rental car they gave me. The engine seems good and it has a clean interior but these things are rust traps. There are small rust spots all over it. There are other suspension parts I had to replace under my cost because the recall didn't cover it. I'd never buy one that's for sure.
Looks good. I have an "89-1/2" to fix up. It has torsion bars up front, leaves in rear, and the 3vze 6cyl to a manual tranny 4x4 with the extended cab (no access). I wonder if I can bring it to that shop?
My 02 TRD Tacoma missed the frame warranty- never needed it until now. Just found a big F'n hole above my rear wheel. 265k miles. Was hoping for 1million miles! Damn!
Look up frame reinforcement plates. I got some welded on my 98 and I never realized how much flex there was through turns. It's at 360k and I expect it to go at least 500k.
I have my doubts about that frame being replaced. Mainly cause there wasn't a single spec of rust under there on anything else, none of the floors or painted parts of the truck had a spec of rust. None of the nuts, rear axle, front a-arms, the skid plate, leaf springs, etc had a spec of rust. These trucks don't rust if you live where they don't salt the roads. I had a 2004 Tacoma with 200k, it looked like this underneath, frame was mint. Tennessee truck its whole life.
The fact the government makes Toyota replace these frames is the evidence you aren’t supposed to buy them in the first place. Lots of other trucks have frames that rust out.
They crushed tons of Tacos up here in the northeast, then they started to replace the frames on the newer ones. I think when they crushed it they gave the owners like 150% of KBB value for it. And if you bought a new one they gave you more off. I believe 1995 -2003 had the issues. Toyota would remove the engine, trans and axles then crush it.
TOYOYA built their reputation with 4 cyl fwd cars. Toyota's have their issues like every manufacturer does. They don't all "LAST FOR EVER" like arm waving ppl on the YT will tell you.
Atleast it had a frame recall. I'm still waiting on them to do a recall for the fj. My gas strap was almost completely rusted through when I replaced it and my frame is becoming very brittle.
I'm pretty that's the original frame. Denver doesn't get a lot of rust to begin with and that underside definitely had rust. Maybe not rust belt levels but that underside looked crusty for CO standards
Would it be noted in the carfax if these had a frame recall ? Tryna find one with it but it looks like a real gamble unless the current owner had it done it and can confirm to be true.
If your Toyota truck had a replacement frame you will have a yellow “HEAVY PART” sticker on outside frame rail near the front suspension. That is the easiest and most obvious way to tell.
I think it costs $14,000. I had a Tundra that passed. Toyota cleaned and undercoated the frame. They said any owner of vehicle was covered until it was junked.
Here in Canada these rot so bad so fast... really a shame Toyota asked Dana to build them frames. Its interesting though when you find a T100 here. Frame built by Hino in Japan and what a beefy quality unit. Even neglected all they might have is some surface rust.
In alot of southern states of america these truck frames look new, its the road salt that kills them. Checy or ford frames can have the same issue. Salt+Metal=bad news.
I have a 2004 2.7 4x4 automatic it failed inspection because rust eating the frame, looks like your crew can probably fix it. Would you be interested to buy it. 1,000.00 the tires and rims alone are worth that much engine runs drivable
I knew it had a good frame immediately if Toytec put it up on their lift! Worst thing to do if you suspect a bad frame is to put it up on a shop lift. Have a similar truck right down the street (4cyl, 4x4, double cab) from me for sale but with the hard to find manual trans....don't need it, but really hard not to buy it! Great content!
Roman did you ever hold the light for your dad while he was working on a vehicle?....My dad would've smacked me for blinding him after the first 2 times! Lol. Great video.
@@rider6.0 I get mine done in the summer. In July I had the 16th application done on my 05 that came from the same factory as this Tacoma. The body is as good as new.
Oil the car in may or June. Get the salt off as early as possible and have the oil on it for as many months as possible. Krown owner told me that 20 yrs ago.
@@IKnewMickey My car gets a coat of paste wax once a year to protect the paint, one Krown application to protect the whole body and it is parked in the garage to keep it away from birds, weathering and UV rays. I am too cheap to wash it most winters.
Toyota an d Lexus make a great vehicle with one problem a big Problem: the UNDER CARRIEGE and FRAME rust out very bad that the rest of the vehicle runs well, but it is not safe and not certifiable to drive.
Did you not (at least) crawl under the truck and look for rust before you bought it? I lived in WA (not know for rust) and would not buy a vehicle without going over it. I looked at a dodge truck that was 👍 up top but the undercarriage was flaking off (ugly). At least you lucked out on this one.
Waste? Drove the truck for 5 years 100k more and sold it during covid for $14k. It would be a waste on a domestic truck that would fall apart. Never had an issue in the time I owned my Tacoma.
Great job Roman and kacey
Fluid film that frame. 👍🏻
i really impressed with fluidfilm. but i worry about water takes it off
My 16 JK looks new underneath, great stuff. Jeep gets blasted with plenty of salt and any other crap they throw down on the roads here in the Northeast every winter. Fluid film works.
the new black stuff is really nice for frames
Got a 07 taco with a new frame just started using fluid film hoping can last me 20 years
@@bendino9016 haven't seen the black stuff
It will still be more reliable than your Defender .
So isn’t my bicycle lol
Haha you're so right though. My uncle has had a defender. Every week it would break down. My colleague has a lifted V6 toyota hilux from 2011. It has more miles than the defender but rarely breaks down.
That aint something to brag about
So would a 95 Lada Riva! Lol
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Many times when the frame gets replaced on the Tacoma's, they also replace the suspension components. This is probably why the front end was in good shape.
We had two of them done replaced brake lines leaf springs and front struts, the rest of my suspension was in okay shape
The legendary Toyota rot is well known here in northern Wisconsin, and I've witnessed those broken frames off road and in one odd instance on the ice out on a lake.
Yeah, thought they fixed them?
@@normt430 they did, kinda. The way that I understand it is that if the frame wasn’t bad, it would just get another coat of undercoating, and if it was really bad it would get a whole new frame. However, not everyone took their truck into the dealer for the recall, and the recall expired in 2015 I believe, so if you didn’t get your truck in in time, your out of luck. I also think I heard somewhere that Toyota originally did a recall and just did more undercoating, and then put out another recall later that would make you eligible for the frame replacement, but if your truck didn’t come in for the first recall, they would refuse to do the second recall. Don’t quote me on any of this, but I’m pretty sure this is what happened.
I'm in New England have my own shop specializing in Toyota I have welded in a lot of the safety cap repair pieces and even I make my own sometimes the safety cap pieces do not have enough coverage it's easier to just make my own
The answer is no. No, they did not buy a Toyota with a rotten frame.
Thanks
Since it was already recalled and swapped
For sure a pet peeve with this channel... Thanks
@@FreeTimeFeats True. Roman’s misleading click-bait titles have gotten worse.
@@GreghouseVanBouten
It was a mere question. What is wrong with that?
I have a 02 with the the six with 320,000 miles on it and still runs like it did when it was new. Mileage is only a number when it comes to these trucks.
Frame recall is 30-40 hours of labor depending on the truck and recall. Plus, you get new lower control arms with that recall, and this truck looks like they are newer.
Engines/transmissions last forever, on my 2002 frame was gone in 8 years also the rear end rusted a hole in the housing, Toyota replaced frame, bumpers started rusting away soon after, neighbor said I washed the truck to much. Loved that lil truck. Bought a 2015 and a couple years it showed Roy signs and I left the Toyota Brand for good.
What brands don’t rust?
@@JimmyMakingitwork most last longer than 6 years.
Sheet metal is easy to replace. Frames are where you draw the line
You guys should really get that frame cleaned washed and then apply a oil based anti rust to it to make sure it stays on the road for many more years
You definitely want to coat the frame after cleaning the rust off like eastwood rust encapsulater with chassis black over top. Once its sealed and rust free then you use corrosion inhibitor, works well to protect 6 months to 1 year
They should absolutely Fluid Film that frame.
@@BullittKid08 no need to go crazy just a good cleaning and a good ool based rust protection undercoating will do the job living in a crazy salted area here and still see old tacomas who were oil treated and the frames still look good the oil protects them from rust and stops the rust from spreading no need to go crazy and remova it all
Guys, remember this is Colorado. Not the Rust belt. Rust isn't a major problem on vehicles to begin with in the Front Range of Colorado.
Lol it's Colorado not Michigan. Bone dry and no salt.
I have my own shop specializing in the Tacoma and the 4Runner and I'm up in the Northeast so I know about frame rot, that's not why they rot it's because there are no drain holes in the bottom of the frame to let dirt out at those low spots it always rots where the frame drops down in the front behind the front tires and then it always rots right about where the front leaf spring Mount is and that is because they fill up with dirt sand and salt it stays in there all wet until it rots its way out, a 5/8 drain hole at each of those spots and a good shot of fluid film inside the frame rails will make your truck last a lot longer, also every time you wash it or go to the carwash blow out the inside of the frame and make sure your drains are clear, if you can keep the inside of the rail Clean and Free from dirt you'll get a lot more life out of the frame
I got a 04 Ford Ranger with 83k miles for $6500. No rust at all except a little bit a surface rust.
Toyota replaced my '07 regular cab frame. Changed brake lines, tire rods, all fluids, & a frozen u joint that was causing a drone noise. Very impressed. About 4 days. Wish they would still make a regular cab.
How did you get them to do this?
@@brendanschroeder1862 they had sent out a card in the mail stating a frame recall program & to schedule an appointment for frame inspection at toyota dealer. This program was for quite a while but I remember when having mine done it was ending.
You gotta give Toyota props for taking responsibility and spending all that cash to fix peoples old trucks for free
Props for doing the right thing? That's a new low 😂
@@christianpastrano6247 You know GM trucks of this era, the frames rot out on them too(rear crossmember that holds the gas tank up is common). They didn't do any sort of recall.
too bad they only have the window for repair temporary. mine is ruste out but they wont do it cause i was unaware of the damage and window to fix is closed.
I saw where this year Tacoma was pushed to a million miles & still ran like new, even with the original engine & drivetrain. Maybe a transmission later, but these are great.
Frame replacement didn’t cost Toyota, it cost Dana Corp; they are the ones that supplied the frames. Toyota dealerships actually made money on the swaps. They were given all the parts and a rate for the techs to swap. 13,000 plus all the parts. Didn’t matter if it took them 3 days or three months to corporate. But for dealerships, the faster the turnaround, the more the dealerships pocketed. Their techs were expected to complete the swap within 3 days. That’s why the dealerships dreaded when people asked about add on items such as body mounts, upper and lower ball joints, or anything else not covered with the replacement; it muddy the waters and took time out of the straight forward 3 day goal.
Toytec makes a good product. I installed one of their 3” ultimate lifts on my 2006 4Runner years ago. It improved ride and handling over the worn out OEM suspension.
Best thing about living in south Texas is no rust on ANYTHING
425k on my 2001. Never touched suspension.
Frame rust is STILL an issue with tacomas unfortunately. Very sad toyota still hasn't fixed this repetitive issue!!
Still gonna ride another 200k more miles
Toyota has notified Tacoma owners thru 2017 models to have frame inspected and coated by a dealer or future frame replacement claims will be denied, this is for certain states.
No lift ! Just tires, bumpers, undercarriage protection and an automatic locker in the rear axel.
lift up IFS vehicle is pointless(cuz you'll lost your flex) if clearance is plenty, lift up LFS vehicle is very hard to done right. i always prefer almost-stock. (with under armors and rear lockers.) you know how to build a rig too 😄
@@CHMernerner Thanks. Looks like we see eye to eye. This build should be about BANG FOR THE BUCK and the K.I.S.S principle. One thing I didn't say before is that the new tires should be kept stock size or only slightly bigger. This way there's much less power loss and no need to re-gear. With it's short wheel base and light weight this truck can punch way above it's class with very few modifications. I had a 93 2wd that I put a Lock-Right in and kept 205/75-R14 snow tires on it and with the go pedal firmly planted, it dropped many jaws with unexpected preference in the snow and mud.
@@johnossendorf9979 much agree. and lockrights are nice.
Recalls are up to 2017 now? So in other words they are still making garbage frames? Wouldn’t you think they would make an improvement to keep it from happening?
Are the replacement frames any better than the originals?
I wouldn’t want a truck that had the frame replaced. Can you imagine all the issues after someone tore the entire truck apart and put it back together!
I’ll stick with my 02 ford ranger with the 4.0 v6 and 296,000 miles- original engine and manual transmission. Engine has never been apart, even the water pump and starter is original.
Recall was for the colder winter States, Virginia was in the recall but mine here in NC wasn't. '02 w 385k, whole life outside, zero rust. I've always tried to keep it off the road when snow/ice ...good info from this mechanic smart though.
Thanks for the click bait and the pre-inspection post purchase.
Good inspection video! Great information. Fact; I’m the second owner of my ‘07 Tacoma TRD, and Toyota sent me a letter to take my truck into their shop where I received a full frame media blast (no rust) and new mechanically bonded epoxy coating applied.. for free!
Great vid, more vids like this walking around with an actual mechanic
Hi guys. Love your content. I watch almost everything you do. A little constructive criticism from my perspective... Click bait titles are beneath you. You don’t need them and they insult your viewers (in my opinion). Keep making great content. Happy new year!
Bought a brand new Toyota Hi Lux 4x4 in 1990, had a 2.4 litre diesel engine, front and rear live axles, waxoyled entire chassis inside and out and all axle and suspension parts, sold it just over two years later without ANY rust showing and the roads here are salted in the winter.
I can’t imagine a recall on frames, what a freaking nightmare that would be.
I can't either.... My dad had it done on his 2001 tundra in 2014-15 or so. The truck had 200k miles on it at the time and lived it's life commuting up salty major highways into boston (so it was always saturated with salt everywhere, they salt the heck of of those major commuting corridors). Everything was just so rusty i couldn't believe they didn't just buy the truck back... There was a decent list of things that had to be replaced at the same time due to excess rust (spare tire carrier and mechanism, 1 front control arm, some brake lines, various bolts, and a few more things i don't remember). Short of rust on everything else, i have the truck now and it has a few k shy of 300k miles. It's a good truck, but a rusty nightmare... Time for it to go. The rear end also rusted through in about 5 places and i slathered rtv all over it to keep the oil in. (Non replaceable cover).
The real sad part is the frames are made by DANA CORP. I have seen rusted frames at my local dealer. I have pics on my fone. I had a 2013 Tacoma....i had DIAMONDKOTE applied when new. The salesman asked me if I wanted it. I said why not. Cost me $600 a d they would touch it up once a year. So, if you do rust protection and a car wash with under carriage blast...frame will not rust at all save for normal surface rust here and there. Toyota powertrains rarely fail
Most manufacturers wouldn’t take any responsibility for an 18 year old truck. Not even a 6 year old one actually. The only thing promised is 3/36 ...usually.
@@JimmyMakingitwork recalls are forced though... Ford had a recall on 10y old windstar / freestar vans around the time of the toyota frame thing... Cheaper than a truck frame, but still expensive for vans that filled the scrapyards , come to think of it i haven't seen one of them in a while.
@@JimmyMakingitwork Safety recalls ignore warranty time windows. Just like when GM had the ignition switch issue, or Toyota had the unintended acceleration issue. The frame breaking in half because of the lack e-coating is a major safety issue.
I wish I could find a good Taco like that.
I will be watching this series since I own a 1999 Tacoma 4cyl. regular cab 2.7 manual. I'm the original owner with 155k miles. Looking forward to how far they go with upgrades.
Toytec is a great company, but I wish they had a shop on the east coast that I would be able to bring my Toy to and get this kind of treatment.
Had a frame recall on my 2015 so their still having issues .
Latest frame recall for rust was from 1995-2000 the 2015 frame recall was incorrect accesory screws which could result in bad crash performance with a front fender Ford had to recall for that too back when iihs realised attatching a front fender with scrws at the back of chassis resulted in worse accidents but it wasn't a full frame recall but just changing where accessories were attached. 2015 model had a 12 year frame warranty extension.
They released a TSB for 2nd gen (up to 2015) for bad application of frame coating which leads to rot
I should mention, I personally own a 2015 and the frame is in excellent shape. Looks almost new when it's washed. And I live in the Northeast (New Jersey) where they put salt everywhere (besides which I'm only a few miles from the ocean so, salt in the air.) That being said, I take really good care of it (wash and fluidfilm from time to time underneath, which isn't that hard.) But I'm the second owner and I doubt the first owner did all that. So long way of saying the frame seems fine.
If they're still having preventable issues though due to bad quality control or suppliers they should have corrected that long ago.
@@shawnglass893 I moved from Pennsylvania to North Carolina and the frame on my 2015 started rusting they said it should be coated but they dont do it down here , said I would have to have it done up north .
@@mikeclassing5263 right. Of course, all frames rust eventually, if they're in an environment with high moisture and other corrosive elements. The issue with some of the Toyota's is excessive/early rust.
I looked at a 2014 FJ from my area earlier this year that I was considering buying, and it looked dreadful. I was almost afraid to touch certain areas of the frame they looked so thinned out from rust.
Just something to be aware of with these vehicles. The truck hasn't given me any other issues (it's my second Toyota)
That's weird they won't do the coating in NC? Will they give you a courtesy vehicle in the meantime? Or are they saying you'd have to make that trip yourself?
Great job going with toytec! I too got their products for my 1st Gen and what a difference it made
Crown, Fluid Film, NHOU Oil base coating undercoating is 100% recommended in the salt belt states. Never go with anything that claims to encapsulate rust.
Mike seems to really know his stuff. Good video, Roman.
I have a 98 Tacoma extra cab sr5 2.7
5speed I've had a lot of trucks in my life probably 25 or more except for my 83 Toyota 4 x 4 this is one of the best I've had it's a great engine and the drivetrain is Bulletproof people ask me if it's for sale all the time I've had a few good offers but I'll never sell it I plan to drive this truck for the rest of my life also picked up a third gen 4Runner SR5 3.4 5 speed, another great truck it's basically a Tacoma SUV
If you are planning on lifting that truck I would suggest that you replace the needle bearing on the drivers side in the 4wd carrier with the clamshell bushings from east coast gear supply because if you don’t I can guarantee you’ll have a problem with it down the road
Friend of mine that works at Toyota said it was costing Toyota between $12,000
and $13,000 to do the frame swaps because of course rotted brake lines bad shocks bad leaf springs etc etc and labor, but he told me the mechanics love doing them once they did a couple they had it down pat and they were beating the rate so making a lot of money on them
Budget off roader now is fictional when you get assistance from specialty shops. That being said still bad ass series!!!
Our Farm has a 2001 with 280,000 miles. Same engine and power train as yours just it is extended cab.
They did my 01reg cab 5 speed in 2010, parts $7326.45, Labor $3000.00, total $10326.45 and a 2010 Silverardo crew cab for 28 days, $1000. Traded it in 3 years ago for an 11 FJC
Everyone is surprised by the lack of rust on this truck but what they don't realize is rust isn't a very big issue along the Front Range of Colorado.
The bill for my friends Tacoma was 13k ( frame replaced under recall)
I use to work for them 35-43 hours depending on which model was being done.
It was a 10,000 to 13,000 repair depending on if any additional parts were needed. I've helped many custers get their frame replaced
I wonder if Tacomas that lived in Colorado needed frame replacements. I asked a co worker who has this same truck in the video and he didn't even know there was a frame recall and his truck looks clean.
Are they still honoring the warranty repairs? On say a 1999 Tacoma?
@@hse785 no, expired many ages ago
Just think of all the vehicles with products from the DANA plant that received the same metallurgy and no voluntary recall...my ‘99 taco apparently got the minimal zinc bath because the frame looks as good as this one.
I’m the original owner of my 2001 standard cab. Mine is literally the same truck but white with a 6 inch lift, 35s, a true track, and 4:88’s. My frame is original and looks brand new, it makes your frame look old. I never heard of first gen frame issues.
Just bought a99 3800$ 4 cyl 5 speed no rust.
the 2004 Tacoma's and back actually did not get a frame replacement, it was purchased back by Toyota for 1 1/2 times full KBB value. We had one purchased back at our dealership. The 2005 and up had frame replacement.
1995-2000 were buy back, 2001-2004 were frame replacement or repair
I bought my 2003 Tacoma in 2006 still running in 2021. I only had to replace my engine in 2012.
I just got one of these for my dad, but manual transmission. With only 81,000 original miles.
I inherited a 2002 Tundra with 39K on it a couple of years ago. It needed to have the frame replaced which Toyota did under recall. The frame replacement cost Toyota a little over $12,000.00 (book value is only about $5,000) in addition to the cost of the rental car they gave me. The engine seems good and it has a clean interior but these things are rust traps. There are small rust spots all over it. There are other suspension parts I had to replace under my cost because the recall didn't cover it. I'd never buy one that's for sure.
Looks good. I have an "89-1/2" to fix up. It has torsion bars up front, leaves in rear, and the 3vze 6cyl to a manual tranny 4x4 with the extended cab (no access). I wonder if I can bring it to that shop?
My 02 TRD Tacoma missed the frame warranty- never needed it until now. Just found a big F'n hole above my rear wheel. 265k miles. Was hoping for 1million miles! Damn!
Look up frame reinforcement plates. I got some welded on my 98 and I never realized how much flex there was through turns. It's at 360k and I expect it to go at least 500k.
This guy didn’t seem thrilled to have Roman asking him questions while he’s working
Toyota replaced the rear leaf springs, front lower control arms and frame along with hard brake lines on my 09 trd sport.All l under recall.
I have my doubts about that frame being replaced. Mainly cause there wasn't a single spec of rust under there on anything else, none of the floors or painted parts of the truck had a spec of rust. None of the nuts, rear axle, front a-arms, the skid plate, leaf springs, etc had a spec of rust. These trucks don't rust if you live where they don't salt the roads. I had a 2004 Tacoma with 200k, it looked like this underneath, frame was mint. Tennessee truck its whole life.
I have a prerunner v6 when they did the frame recall they accidentally left the bill inside the truck and it was 23k to redo the frame
The fact the government makes Toyota replace these frames is the evidence you aren’t supposed to buy them in the first place. Lots of other trucks have frames that rust out.
Toyota went with steel from a ohio company. My 99 4 runner has japanese steel and has spend all its winters in chicago and had only surface rust.
Plenty of 4 Runners have frame rust, too. I got pictures of other brands that also snapped in half. They sell frame repair kits for all major brands.
They crushed tons of Tacos up here in the northeast, then they started to replace the frames on the newer ones. I think when they crushed it they gave the owners like 150% of KBB value for it. And if you bought a new one they gave you more off. I believe 1995 -2003 had the issues. Toyota would remove the engine, trans and axles then crush it.
TOYOYA built their reputation with 4 cyl fwd cars. Toyota's have their issues like every manufacturer does. They don't all "LAST FOR EVER" like arm waving ppl on the YT will tell you.
Atleast it had a frame recall. I'm still waiting on them to do a recall for the fj. My gas strap was almost completely rusted through when I replaced it and my frame is becoming very brittle.
I'm pretty that's the original frame. Denver doesn't get a lot of rust to begin with and that underside definitely had rust. Maybe not rust belt levels but that underside looked crusty for CO standards
Would it be noted in the carfax if these had a frame recall ? Tryna find one with it but it looks like a real gamble unless the current owner had it done it and can confirm to be true.
I've seen some frames at the dealership that were replaced they were so bad you could kick your foot through them with a light kick
Great job guys! Looking forward to seeing what you do next with this truck! 👍
Is there any way to tell from the VIN number if a frame had been replaced as part of the official recall?
I wonder if that Tacoma spent part of its life in Colorado Springs it looks identical to one I know of
If your Toyota truck had a replacement frame you will have a yellow “HEAVY PART” sticker on outside frame rail near the front suspension. That is the easiest and most obvious way to tell.
I think it costs $14,000. I had a Tundra that passed. Toyota cleaned and undercoated the frame. They said any owner of vehicle was covered until it was junked.
Here in Canada these rot so bad so fast... really a shame Toyota asked Dana to build them frames. Its interesting though when you find a T100 here. Frame built by Hino in Japan and what a beefy quality unit. Even neglected all they might have is some surface rust.
Japan has a totally different climate
Once you bring a jdm car here they rust just the same, my buddy and I import around 3-4 cars a year
no they dont bud
You comparing manufacturing defects to nature
In alot of southern states of america these truck frames look new, its the road salt that kills them. Checy or ford frames can have the same issue. Salt+Metal=bad news.
I have a 2004 2.7 4x4 automatic it failed inspection because rust eating the frame, looks like your crew can probably fix it. Would you be interested to buy it. 1,000.00 the tires and rims alone are worth that much engine runs drivable
Roman doesn't even know what a CV boot is
I knew it had a good frame immediately if Toytec put it up on their lift! Worst thing to do if you suspect a bad frame is to put it up on a shop lift. Have a similar truck right down the street (4cyl, 4x4, double cab) from me for sale but with the hard to find manual trans....don't need it, but really hard not to buy it! Great content!
Just need to find someone with a 4 post lift to give it a look
Rust proofing is now essential,... wouldn't you say? BUT before that's done, wash that underside well, would be my suggestion.
Anyone who does not rustproof their vehicle deserves all the rust they get.
Thanks for sharing this information, great video.
I got my first Toyota pickup one when I was 16, it was my first vehicle. I think it was a 1976 I think, it was Red.
What topper yall gonna get? I recommend the A.R.E hi rise with the rear door
Great news! 👍 Awesome project and cause!
Happy 2021!
I hope you understand that averyone wants to have this Yota saved. 👍
Hence it is obligatory by law to rust proof the frame 🤩😎
Also rust jacking is a major problem
Roman did you ever hold the light for your dad while he was working on a vehicle?....My dad would've smacked me for blinding him after the first 2 times! Lol. Great video.
When they replaced the frame on my FJ the quote was 16k.
that's an insanely good deal
The frames that weren't replaced rusted thru after the warranty period!!!!(like mine)😣
Ed c
Great video! What years or models had the rusted frame issues?
My 2003 Ranger has 182k miles. Let me know if you want to do a comparo!
Here in Ontario canada our roads are super salty all winter long. Eats your car up like a fat kid eating cake.
Thank goodness for all those Krown Rustproofing locations everywhere across the province.
@@rightlanehog3151 yes i get my sprayed every september at krown. Well worth the 120 bucks.
@@rider6.0 I get mine done in the summer. In July I had the 16th application done on my 05 that came from the same factory as this Tacoma. The body is as good as new.
Oil the car in may or June. Get the salt off as early as possible and have the oil on it for as many months as possible. Krown owner told me that 20 yrs ago.
@@IKnewMickey My car gets a coat of paste wax once a year to protect the paint, one Krown application to protect the whole body and it is parked in the garage to keep it away from birds, weathering and UV rays. I am too cheap to wash it most winters.
Toyota an d Lexus make a great vehicle with one problem a big Problem: the UNDER CARRIEGE and FRAME rust out very bad that the rest of the vehicle runs well, but it is not safe and not certifiable to drive.
Being how clean it is, it would have be a good candidate to restore
Did you do a Carfax & Auto Check on it How many owners, If was in accident etc.
Did you not (at least) crawl under the truck and look for rust before you bought it? I lived in WA (not know for rust) and would not buy a vehicle without going over it. I looked at a dodge truck that was 👍 up top but the undercarriage was flaking off (ugly). At least you lucked out on this one.
What happened to the Chevy truck
Crunchy? I know my peanut butter is ok then. 😃
I thought the rusty frames were on mid 2000’s 2nd gens?
They replace the whole frame suspension and all when they do the frame recall
They don't warranty tacoma frames anymore do they
My frame was replaced in 2 days. $15k Canadian. Lower control arms would have been replaced as well
What a waste .
Waste? Drove the truck for 5 years 100k more and sold it during covid for $14k. It would be a waste on a domestic truck that would fall apart. Never had an issue in the time I owned my Tacoma.
Well my 2011 frame is in & next few days Toyota going replace mine for free. I get free loaner drive.