Lollar vs PRS (58/15LT v Imperial) McCarty 594 Pickup Shootout - 1 Guitar - Paul Reed Smith PAF Best
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- PRS 58/15LT vs 58/15s: • Shootout! PRS 58/15 LT...
Lollar Imperials vs PRS S2 Stock (58/15s): • Lollar Imperial vs PRS...
0:00 - intro
Clean Fingerstyle: 2:44
Clean Picked: 4:02
Clean Picked (Coil Splits): 5:41
Med Gain Rhythm (mix): 7:18
Med Gain Rhythm (solo): 9:33
Overdrive Lead (mix): 11:46
Overdrive Lead (solo): 13:37
Clean Strums: 15:20
Clean Strums (coil split): 16:50
Metal Rhythm: 18:17
Middle Rhythm (neck split): 19:44
Palm Muted Rhythm: 20:28
Neck/Br Volume Comparisons: 21:08
Recap - Who stays in the guitar? 22:34
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This is phenomenal! I'm blown away by the 58/15 LTs in every recording.
I'll take the less bassy less flubby Lollars all day hands down.
Funny, I’d agree listening back now. Maybe it was the volume difference boasting me to the prs set
@@loganschexnayder1587 It's very subtle...and the PRS are good sounding but the Lolls are more "relaxed" and "clear" . Just a tad better.
This is my favourite kind of comparison. Great work! It takes a lot of work to put together, appreciate the time you put in
The 58/15LT does sound pretty good, but the lollar is noticably better and clearer on the cleans
I agree. It’s so strange that the first day I plugged in with the Lollars, I really missed the LT set, but it didn’t take long for lollars to really pull me in
What an incredible job you did playing and comparing!!! Way to go Scott!
Thank you kindly!
After your last comparison, i found some LT's. love them. Thanks again Scott.
Ah cool! What are you putting them in?
S2 CUSTOM PULLED THE 85/15'S. MAJOR !!!!!
What an amazing comparison!!! Thx for the huge effort you took!!! (even though it surely was fun)😉
Thanks! 😃
Thanks for your videos! Just purchased a set of the 58/15 LT's!
Congrats!
Got some Lollar Imperials for a Partscaster build. They are truly phenomenal pickups. The clarity, definition and touch responsiveness is incredible, yet never harsh sounding. I would strongly advocate standard wind for bridge and low-wind for neck - they compliment each other beautifully. They are very height sensitive though, so take some time to play around adjusting the height and pole pieces, but once you dial them in they are absolute 🔥
imperials on a strat? I have imperials on a non-strat, and I agree with all you've said!
Scott, a very good choice. Loved the Lollar Imperials articulated presence and tone definition. Ordered them with four conductors and pearl covers for my LP today.
Thank you for your review!
Cool, congrats!
Well done comparison. I've listened to a LOT of comparison videos, and the Lollars are consistently clearer and defined, with more harmonic detail, than any other PAF humbucker style I've heard. The PRS pickups have a trait I've found in so many humbuckers, a pronounced low-mid hump that might sound great playing alone in your bedroom, but doesn't play well with others in a band/ mix situation. It makes the pickup sounder "louder", but it's all frequencies you'd end up EQing out in a mix. I'd take taming a slightly brighter pickup any day (that's what the controls on the guitar are for!) over trying to get clarity out of a muddy humbucker.
Well said!! Thanks!
I thought the lollars sounded flat and lifeless compared to the nice mids in the prs pickups. Seems others agree. Funny how different people can hear things.
Love the comparison you did an amazing job. There didn’t seem to be a huge difference but I think I’m leaning towards the 58/15 LTs as they seem to almost have a clearer, chimer, and more noticeable range that’s especially noticeable in the low end tones.
Cheers! Hope you can find some!
Great Video. Exactly the way it should be done.
I prefer the imperials, but both sounds great
Reading through comments on stuff like this cracks me up! Turns out the human ear perceives frequencies quite differently. So many conflicting observations! Haha
In the clean and low gain overdrive sounds, especially not strummed, it‘s 58/15 all the way for me-they sound more glassy and transparent, more HiFi, while the Imperials have a bit of a mid range honk to them.
From slightly higher gain sounds onwards, that same transparency starts ever so slightly muddying up the sound tho, while that honk helps the Imperials a bit more powerful and cohesive.
I wouldn‘t be able to generally pick a favourite, I think, because it so totally depends on what you’re gonna use them for most.
Good assessment - I agree 100% with the above, except that I really prefer the imperials clean... mostly because I have more room on my amps before breakup on them, and the balance thing between Neck and Bridge.
Interesting. The 5815 seems to have a much wider frequency range, where the Lollar seem more focused in specific frequencies. Which makes the Lollar sound clearer but thinner to me, and the 5815 sound fuller and richer to me. It’s more apparent with clean tones. With gain the difference is minimal.
Totally agree… That’s actually what I like about the lollars. But, those 5815‘s are amazing
Great demo. I had a bridge 58/15 in my PRS Studio which sounded great playing on my own but could be too thick and chunky (great I know), but affetced its presence in the mix for modern country playing with the band, maybe the Imperial Low Winds could be a good solution. The Imperials really speak to me when the backing tracking plays around 12-13 minutes in, they feel more "within the music" for me. Also considering Bare Knuckle Stormy Mondays. Problem solved, I bought at Musicman Stingray
I'm a Lollar Imperial fan, but I'm very impressed with the PRS pickups here.
Love the 58/15 LTs.
Great comparison! How do the PRS pup compare with Les Paul traditional? Just got these PRS pickups to install on a LP?
To me it's in the low strings. The E and the A. You notice it especially on the strumming clean. There's just a girth to the LT's that the Imperials don't have. It's what I loved about the 594 that I had the most. It just growled down there. I've yet to find something else that does it like that. Not that either sounded bad. I'm just more of a rhythm player and loved that thickness.
Yeah, we hear the same thing… I just prefer less girth in the E/A
I have the McCarty 594. You need to raise the screws a hair and then drop the neck pickup a hair and you’ll get rid of the ‘darkness’ a bit. That’s why I stuck with the 5815’s, you can mod to get to places the Lollars can’t get to.
I did all the variations of height on these - that’s always my first step. i don’t deny it works for some people, it just wasn’t what I was looking for.
Unfortunately I much prefer the neck Core 58/15 over the neck Lollar or S2. Neck humbuckers seem difficult to get right. I rarely like them and prefer the neck position sounds of Strats. But the 58/15 was quite good. Bridge position seemed different but equivalent. Fantastic comparison video.
I don't know if its my ears, UA-cam audio compression while streaming or something else entirely - I've "blindfold" listened to 2 comparison videos of the 58/15LTs you've done (more than once), and in each one, the stock 594 pups sound cleaner, fuller with more chime and articulation. Im considering getting a 594 and window shopping for a potential set of pups to swap and experiment with. But, its hard to make these comparisons when I one can't be in the room. I got to play a few different 594s at a trunk show before covid hit, and was blown away with the tones. Id love to hear you do a comparison with the newly released Monty's Guitar "The Bethnal Green" pickups (Peter Green recreation).
I’m a big advocate of saying they have to be played. Not that they sound different live, but the translation of what is being done dynamically is different between pickups, and we’re obviously more keyed into nuances while we’re playing. All that matters more to the player of course, which in turn, a more expressive player hopefully makes a difference to the audience! Cheers
I watch the other other video yesterday and this one today.
To me it’s 58/15s < Lollar < 58/15LT .
I like the cleaner more clarity on the 58/15LT.
I had ordered the 58/15LT yesterday to replace the Alcino pro II slash signature set that is in my PRS S2 custom 22.
Now after I heard the sound from your video, I know made the right decision and will love my PRS S2 custom.
Thanks for the video.
Both sound great but the prs 58/15LT's seem to have a fuller sound and capture more of a musical spectrum to my ears
I have the LTs in my 594 Hollowbody II. I feel they suit the guitar really well, but I do agree the neck pickup is way boomy. I would love Seth Lover or Imperial in the neck, but the thought of doing a swap in a Hollowbody II is just not something I want to do...
Thanks for the video!
I don’t blame you - that’s the exact scenario I’d want the 58/15LT. Does that model have the coil split?
@@haskitt It does. Using it in split cuts out the boom and brings out clarity, but it isn't exactly the neck PAF sound everybody knows and loves.
Both sets of pickups sounded great. I would be happy with either set. It just come down to personal preference.
58/15 LT for coil splits and clean tones. The Imperial's personality shines with a bit more gain. I have a regular wind Imperial in the bridge and low wind Imperial in the neck of my S2 McCarty 594 and I think they sound great. If I wanted sparkly cleans I'd use my Telecaster (or a single coil guitar) anyway!
Interesting! How’s that low wind? I had one in a partscaster a while back and found that I preferred the character of a regular wind, though the clarity of the lore was incredible.
The PRS are smoother more balanced, I'm sold.
I believe in every stage the 58/15 were better I like both in that guitar but it is the PRS pickups to me they are just “there” in every sequence. Very nice job on the video I don’t do videos but I know those who do and they all say it is hours of work not minutes and like most things the more you put in the more you get out keep going
Thinking of putting Lollars in my PRS Custom 24 Fatback. The 85/15 pickups are just too hot for me especially in the bridge position. I am unsure which version of the Imperial though. I was thinking about high wind in bridge and maybe standard in the neck. Unsure if low wind in neck and high wind in bridge would be too much of a mismatch. Any thoughts? Were you using standards in both positions for this video? And, are you still happy with the Lollars? Mostly play classic rock and blues type stuff. Loving your comparison videos. Not many out there.
Hey Kim, thanks! FWIW, I'm not familiar with the 85/15 pickups... as for the standard vs high/low wind, this video was all regular wind imperials, and although I don't have the PRS anymore I still have that Guild TBird with a High Wind imperial in the bridge. It's A2, which IMO in a bucker really balances out the higher wind coil to have a rounder, more musical attack. It's really versatile. If you like warmer tones that push an amp just a little harder I'd say the High wind bridge. The regular wind does seem to be on the brighter side vs the high wind, but it warms up nicely with tubes. The high wind, as lollar says, is still considered "vintage" output, so it's not like it's a metal monster or anything... just has a little bigger midrange push and rounder attack than the regular wind. I've tried the low wind neck from lollar, and it was nice, very articulate but I found it didn't have quite as much midrange character as I like (fewer winds often translates to less mid character in my experience)... the regular wind seems to me would be a great balance with the high wind bridge. Cheers, sounds like a fun project!
Hey Scott, what did you set your pickup heights to? The Imperials almost sound too close to the strings. Thanks for making this comparison video!
Hey Mike, I set all my pickups to my liking by ear. I like the Bridge relatively close, Neck usually kinda far from the strings. I usually set the Neck height first, so it has a balance of strength, Clarity and air, then I set the Bridge so it works well on its own compared to the Neck, and sounds good in the middle position.
The coil splits in the PRS pickups have more volume and so seem to sound better. Is that because of the special PRS system for using a small percentage of the second coil for the PRS pickups? Did the Lollar split use the same split or is it a standard coil split. By the way, this is why I’d really be hesitant to replace the pickups in a PRS.
Lollars used the same thing... this is still the stock wiring harness, which I actually like. I may swap out the caps for different specs, as I’d like the tone to rolloff a bit more, but yeah, has the resistor on the coil split. I suspect maybe the PRS coils are maybe more mismatched on purpose so it has one stronger coil that you hear when split?
The PRS 58/15 is still the King for me. Lollar are fantastic, and the Lindy Fralin PAFs are the closest I’ve found to the 58/15s, but the PRS has the best clarity and warmth of any humbucker to my ears.
Interesting, good to know about the fralins! His Pure paf?
@@haskitt I have the modern paf un wax with just a tiny bit more output than the pure paf and they sound amazing in my 1998 R9
@@haskitt Yes. I have his Modern and Vintage PAFs in other guitars as well. The Vintage might be the closest to the 58/15 as it’s a lower output version.
If you ever want to sell those 58/15 LT pickups, I would love to buy them! :)
@@IamMusicNerd I sold them a while back... I liked the balance of the lollars more so I sold the PRS (that prs bridge was pure magic though). I've since sold the PRS too... looking to put some PAFs in a guitar this year.
Hi. Fantastic video. What kind of lollar have you used in the video?low wind,high,standard?. For me 58 15 in the Bridge and lollar in the neck is the most suitable option
These are the regular wind! Apologies for the confusion
Awesome comparison - cheers!
S2 58/15s < Lollar < 58/15LT for me. Any thoughts on the low wind version of the lollars (was contemplating them in a S2 594 or SE Pauls Guitar)?
I have a low wind neck I've been meaning to try for a while, just haven't. I love the high wind bridge... it's not obnoxiously high wind... still like a vintage pickup. It's A2 which is interesting because the regular wind bridge is A5. I suspect the low wind lollars aren't nearly as beefy as the 58/15LT. they advertise them as being good for getting more high definition out of a bassy sounding guitar.
@@haskitt Thanks for your insight, much appreciated!
are these lollar imperials standard wound?
If you're still using the imperials, I'd love to hear a video of some of your favorite tones with them.
I’ve long since sold this guitar, but I do have a high wind imperial bridge and regular wind Neck in another guitar… Been in it for a few years. Perhaps I’ll do a video with those at some point!
I like the brighter Lollar in the neck, but I prefer the PRS bridge pickup, which is consistent with my normal tastes of bright necks and darker bridges. I also felt that both PRS pickups sounded better split than the Lollars
I could definitely live with a lollar neck and prs bridge. I like the bridges almost equally, though that PRS one is really nice and warm. that PRS neck was just a bit too dark for me. I agree about the splits!
Both sounded great. Lollar a little brighter, maybe a tad more articulate. PRS were warmer and fuller. Boils down to taste. Both fine pickups!
We are hearing the same thing - Cheers!
Nicely structured comparison. They sound very similar to me. I have a slight preference for the 58/15 LTs, particularly in the bridge position. I didn’t like either one in the neck position.
Interesting… they were pretty different in the Neck to me. What kind of neck tone do you prefer? I wonder if you just don’t like the tone I went for!
@@haskitt Both we’re lovely in the neck position when picked clean but sounded dull and closed with some gain. Sounded like listening to a neighbor practicing in an apartment down the hall or a house next door. No character at all. I was just about to put 58/15 LTs in my PRS245, but your video has me stumped.
@@slicksalmon6948 this is likely because I got the tone for the distorted sounds mainly for the Bridge positions, to show the tonal discrepancy between Neck and Bridge.
@@haskitt I appreciate your work and your responses.
Great video! Are those the regular wind imperials? Thanks
Yes, regular wind!
I liked both sets of pickups. I preferred the PRS pickups about 60% of the time. Then again, I listened on my cell phone, I probably should listen again with better speakers.
Thinking of replacing pickups in my PRS Custom 24 Fatback with Lollar Imperials. The 85/15’s are just too hot for me, especially in the bridge. I am unsure which combo of Imperials too choose. Could you offer any insight as to possible Imperial pickup combinations? I mostly play classic rock and blues type stuff. Did you use Imperial standards for this video? Unsure if low wind in neck and high wind in bridge would be too much of a difference. Trying to eliminate ice pickiness of 85/15 bridge with gain…it just makes me cringe. Enjoying your comparison videos. There are not too many of these out there.
Hi Kim, thanks! FWIW I'm not familiar with the 85/15's, but as far as the Imperials, this video was all the regular wind. I don't have the PRS anymore, but I still have the TBird I mentioned in the video with the High Wind in the bridge. It's A2, which rounds out the higher wind coil really nicely. As lollar says, it's still considered "vintage" output, so it's not like its a metal monster or anything. I love it for classic rock/blues, has plenty of brightness for me and doesn't sound congested like some high wind pickups. the regular wind bridge is just a little leaner and brighter, but not shrill. I've only tried the low wind in the neck, and although it was nice and had plenty of articulation, the lower wind on the coil took away the midrange character that I love in the standard wind neck. I think the standard wind neck would pair perfectly with the high wind bridge. Sounds like a fun project, cheers!
@@haskitt Really appreciate your input. I am still mulling it over.
I think the 58/15's sound a LITTLE better but it's an aesthetic thing. They have a sharper attack and boomier low end, which I like. Makes them sound a little more microphonic, but also more articulate.
Are the Lollar pickups the low wind, standard wind or high wind Imperials? Thanks.
OK, standard wind. ( I just found the answer in an earlier comment).
Well, there is an obvious difference, but I hear two a bit different, but perfectly usuable sets of pickups. You can use them both for doubletracking. You can use one for rhythm tones to instantly sit a little bit back in the mix and another one to stick out of the mix a little. There are endless variations and both sounds very usuable for me. There were no bad tone in this comparison.
P.S. After a close listen I think I prefer 58/15 LT
glad you chose the 58/15LT! I was hoping it wasn’t giving the 58/15 an unfair shake, because the gain was set so the imperials weren’t too clean, which meant the 58/15 were a little hot... that seemed like the lesser of two evils.
I prefer the Lollars here. There are too many spots, on the mid gain and solo sections, and clean strums where the Lollars sound smoother and more musical while the 5815’s sound a bit harsh and annoying. Thanks for these examples!
Hi! Were the Imperials low wound or standard ?
Standard Wind
Man how many times did you have to swap those pickups out or do you have two guitars? If not quite a bit of soldering and time
Just swapped them once… same settings for each style!
@@haskitt oh yeah for sure. Pick the Imperials better transition from the bridge to the neck like you said without having to adjust any settings on your amp might have to snag a pair myself thanks for the video and going through all the pick up configurations
I used to like Imperial margarine to but I think I'm going to get some of these Imperial pickups for sure put those in one of my LPS and maybe pick up some Imperial margarine at the store and just see how Imperial I can become if the margarine doesn't kill me first
😂
Have you done Imperial vs PRS #7's?
I haven’t… good suggestion!
I greatly preferred the Lollars. The Prs pupa sounded weird to me. If this makes any sense, the neck sounded like you took the bridge pup and pushed it toward the neck, the bridge sounded like you took the neck pup and pushed it toward the bridge. I thought the Lollars sounded like a great neck pup and a great bridge pup.
The 58/15’s won. While I absolutely love Lollar… the prs pickups have all the same qualities but not harsh. Super smooth in the top there which would make it fit in a mix with less EQ
I bought Chinese Donlis PAF Alnico 2, neck model and put it ona bridge position. The result is that this 25$ pickup sounds the same like PRS 250$ low turn 7,2k pickup. Try, you wil not regret. Donlis is as good as any big name pickup company, but buch cheaper.
I will say, for a more high output PAF, the PRS has an impressive tonal balance. Still going to
prefer the lollars in most guitars (and certainly for cleaner tones)
That said, if I had a 594, I would probably keep the PRS as I just think they were well designed for that guitar.
Actually, after hearing the coil splits with the imperials…that’s tough.
interesting - yeah the imperials split well... I REALLY liked the coil splits on the LT's though.
Is the neck somehow like gibson les paul 60's slim?
This 594 neck (and the core as well as singlecut model) is their pattern vintage - a pretty chunky asymmetrical profile, they specify 0.89” depth at the nut, and i believe close to 1” at the 12th, but they don’t specify that. The 594 thinline model is a slimmer profile.
@@haskitt Thank you
What a difference. Seems to me like the imperials are just flat in comparison. The 58/15’s seemed to have more presence and a truer mid and high range with most of the examples. Some of the higher gains were pretty close tho.
Well you like the lollar sell me the stock prs set up
Ha, long gone as is the PRS!
Hey did you manage to fit long leg pickups in there or did you get short?
Do the 594s take long leg pickups?
This might sound silly but I didn't even think about it! It all worked without consideration of leg length
@@haskitt So are the current Lollars short legged?
@@karantaktawala86 I’m really not sure - the site doesn’t but a short search suggests they may be long. I was able to get both sets equidistant to the strings, either way.
I like the 58/15lt better they sounded clearer more open
Agreed!
PRS 58/15LT hands down for me
I actually prefer the Lollar’s- the thing I really notice with 85/15’s is their inherent clarity by having less in the low mid frequencies- for some styles thats a good thing… but i actually replaced my 85/15’s with 59/09’s in my Custom 24 and think they suit my old school rock styles better- great video by the way that confirms my preference!
These are 58/15 LTs, not 85/15s…
Lollar win hands down.
Hard to beat. They just do everything so easily.
Wow, i have to say 58/15 LTs take a win here.
Wow the 85/15s sound so much better here. The lollars are so flat. The mids on the prs really jump out and sound good.
Lollars get my vote
I just bought the Imperials for my Strat. The PRS seem a lot more articulate. Way more character. Ignorance was bliss. lol
If you can find and afford the LT set, try them out! They’re great. I ultimately just found the Lollars to be much more versatile and less fussy.
The prs pickups sound more open to me.
What do you mean by more open? I've found people meaning different things. :) I partially agree... the neck pickup on the lollars sounds more open to me, but the bridge on the PRS set was more open to my ears. Cheers!
To me they sound fuller with more sparkly top end.
@@roscoepcoltrane23 to me they also sound more open, I think it’s probably lower winding then the Imperials. The potting may make a difference too. Overall I prefer the Imperial. The 58/15LT are a bit more open but lack midrange.
To me they are pretty much the same: both are obviously top-of-the-line pick ups. But the Lollar are slightly more velvety - which is exactly what I was looking for. I want to reproduce the sound and dynamics of my 1983 Yamaha SG1000; Lollar seem to be the preference between these two at least. And they are highly recommended by my favorite luthiers.
PRS has more clarity. But liked both.
interesting, I found the lollars to have more clarity - especially the necks... bridge was a toss up. could be a difference in the frequencies we're looking for.
@@haskitt Yes, or headphones sometime can be tricky to listen well.
I just can’t get over that nasal tone from PRSs.
Prs more balanced, more body and articulation .
Have the imperials..and they are great but no cigar against the prs.
Agreed there’s more Body there in the LT. Too much in the Neck for my rigs/ears
Lollar neck, PRS bridge!
Interesting idea!
58/15LTs by a mile... pretty much across the board. Lollars sound very compressed by comparison.
More overtones in 58/15lt’s
Stock pickups better than lollars
These aren’t the stock pickups that come with the S2… these are the more rare ones that only come in core models that run ~ $500-600
5815 sounds a lot better by a landslide lollar had a nasal sound ,
More on distorted or clean sounds? Interesting either way, the Lollars just opened up that guitar in so many ways for me.
Lollar has much more presence, clarity, string definition and more tasteful and delicate than PRS
Agreed! Though, I really think those 58/15 pups are exactly what they want them to be and have some really tasteful tones. I think they’re just more specific and niche than the lollars.
I think you’re mistaking brightness for all those things. It’s brighter, thinner, more hollow sounding and not as full and sweet and creamy as the PRS. So that thinness and brightness probably makes you think it has more presence, clarity, definition. For me, it’s nasal, thin, hollow, and bright. PRS for me is the tasteful and delicate one. It’s rich, full sounding, with plenty of clarity, while keeping the highs sweet and not piercing. Low end and body is also balanced and present. Very balanced, beautifully voiced, tasteful, delicate than the Lollar that sounds like a typical nasal hollow with thin sound beneath the bigness of a humbucker and just with a lower output. Lollars are nice pickups but they can’t even hold a candle to the PRS 58/15LT to me.
@@drfdwf392 you are absolutely right 🤘😎
I like both
Lollars all day. I’m not a fan of PRS pickups.
58/15LT. The imperial doesn’t even hold a candle. It’s brighter, thinner, more nasal, but not better. It’s got that annoying usual nasal, thin, piercing top end, and hollow sound of humbuckers that I don’t like. 58/15LT is sweet, creamy, rich, full sounding, with a lot of clarity and refined sound. 58/15LT was the first humbucker that I really loved and this just proves how amazing and on a different level it is. I primarily use 51 nocaster with Alnico 3 pickups for single coils, antiquity p90 with Alnico 2, and then firebird pickups are my favorite kind of pickups. They sound like telecasters on steroids and destroys even my favorite humbucker pickups. For mini humbuckers, I like the one in Gibson ES-390. But for humbucker pickups, my favorite is the PRS 58/15LT. Another one that also blows everything away and beautiful sounding that I love as the 58/18LT is the Ibanez Super 58 that’s on the AM2000H guitar w/ Alnico 3. And then I also quiet like the Seymour Duncan Antiquity Humbuckers w/ Alnico 2. Everything else even PAF marketed pickups like this Imperial is just shit sounding to me despite hoping they’d be great. But that’s just my personal preference. Nice comparison video btw. Thanks for making this.
seems like you should stick with the 58/15LT.
58/15s all the way. The Imperials sound kind of lifeless to me
Imperials always sound characterless and anemic
eew the 58/15 LT sound awful, weird voiced, way to spanky and unbalanced.