Trying out some new hanzo ideas live on stream today twitch.tv/arrge (or ua-cam.com/users/arrgelive ) DROPS ONLY ON TWITCH THO (cool zen skin + weapon charm)
😂i strived to be like you ( even became main hanzo cause of ur videos) but instead you went and became like me ( spamHanzo😢) what they did to our boy 😂 ?! bigger videos and less edit nice af keep the goos job ✌️
I just think is ironic that people asked (i mean cried) for changes and when they get what theu wanted people still complained, for good or for bad the OW cant never win with a b*tchy fanbase like this
They took the one shot potential out of Hanzo and Junkrat. Although its frustrating for other players to die from burst damage these hero's now rely on spam damage and less on mechanical skill making them less fun to play.
And less fun to play against. If I'm out played by a good Hanzo or widow, I'm impressed and respect the player and will often watch the replay to see if there's anything I can learn. Now it just feels like luck, they saw me before I saw them and they shot in my general area. Junkrat was already not fun to play against due to the CC of his kit. Now he does more damage. Just make his body hit box smaller so he's not as easy to spam vs making him more annoying to deal with because you're flying in the air and taking mass amounts of damage. Same with Hanzo, instead of buffing his projectile size and removing the one-shot, nerf his projectile size and make it take more skill to hit headshots so there's less spamzo in the game
High Masters Hanzo main here. I have kind of found a way to make this hero work, even with my original play-style as a short flanker with no pocket (currently haven't lost a game yet). My main problem with this hero though, is while he's more consistent from fight to fight with the projectile changes, if your team is not playing properly, your own personal value drops off drastically, even if you're hitting all your shots, due to his limitations. Basically it feels like he has very little to no solo clutch potential. Being able to clutch a point in a 1v4 or 2v4 is basically impossible unless your other teammate is a Mercy. True, that didn't happen all that often, but it was POSSIBLE. The projectile size changes are currently like staples barely holding the hero together. If his is one of the projectiles getting reduced in size, the hero is potentially dead. What I liked about playing him before, while difficult, you could hard carry a game if you were good enough.
I'm a GM2 peak Hanzo OTP and had more or less the same playstyle. You're on point with the loss of clutch potential. I chained 4 headshots together the other day and no one died. No picks on the supports + all of my team shooting at the tank in their face = my team getting their faces stomped in.
@@The_Tachmonite Im in pretty much the same boat. The fact that other DPS characters have all gotten buffs while they took away Hanzos ability to one shot makes the game just not fun for me any more. the clutch aspect of the game is what makes it truly fun(imo), and now it seems they want to get rid of that potential. the game was already becoming less and less fun, now its hold mouse 1 simulator.
@@yeemyreamy5895 what made Hanzo fun was reaching for the impossible. You knew that there was always a chance that you could pop off and win. The highs with him were higher than with any other character.
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Hanzo was the character that rewarded skill and patience when hitting your shots. The new character feels more like junkrat than the Hanzo i've spent years playing.
Not even Junk rat, Junk rat was a master flanker, now he can't flank without using his all kit and be left naked in the enemy back lane. He was completely destroyed too. No he just spams just like hanzo or even worst
bro hanzo and junkrat my two and only 2 dps mains got nerfed into the fucking ground, i would honestly trade the extra 50 hp for an additional 5 damage so his bow can 1 shot again@@EsotericPain
I just think is ironic that people asked (i mean cried) for changes and when they get what theu wanted people still complained, for good or for bad the OW cant never win with a b*tchy fanbase like this
Widow shoots hanzo arrows, genji shurikens are the size of small children, soldier can hold left click in the general direction of "red" and hit 2/3rds of his clip. This update was the "too much of our playerbase SUCKS at aiming" update.
Hanzo is the only reason I ever picked up overwatch back in 2016 and he’s the reason I still play to this day. Few characters can truly dominate as much as a good Hanzo, along with some luck. The amazing thing about Hanzo was there was always a shot. Last team fight your whole team is dead but you just got a headshot and now it’s a 1 v 2 for the win. You get another and stall out for some help or you just get both the dudes with some crazy clip. They didn’t take too much and gave a lot back but the feeling of the gameplay is something that cannot be returned. Overall not too upset could be good for the game. Love you Hanzo.
@@fatgeekOW yeah soldier is disgusting on this patch tbh. I can just stay back and melt literally every single hero even orisa cause dps passive is strong against even her.
@@ashonline77 Bastion non-turret is shooting fucking laser beams too... I was beaming a widow across the map the other day.. Devs might have overcooked a bit on the changes.
They removed one shot from a travel time time projectile hero, with whom you had to to aim, AND predict, AND account for bullet drop and travel time, instead of from the hitscan point and click character widowmaker. Previously, if you relied on luck and spam, you were always more of a hindrance to your team because you could do better with any other hero. Now, that’s supposed to be your main play style. The devs were bullied into this change by horrible players who were punished by hanzo for their godawful movement and positioning.
@@j0shsux579If you wanted to be consistent, and actually good, no. He wasnt. His projectile was smaller than genji's shurikens, now, he can spam even more and not rely on as much aim as before
my dude you are crying too much, just get a pocket and everything is back again, now hanzo has to rely on confirming kills rather than take random picks
@@labizzzzze they're talking about how it's easier and more unsatisfying to play both characters. Why try hard when your bullet hits air and gets you a headshot?
@@whoahanant i agree, ive spent over 1000+ h on widow just to feel that satisfying sound of a headshot but now thanks to the changes it feels like all that skill was wasted
@@Cosmos565 Well that logic does not really add up? Sure everyone hits more shots now, but if ur an amazing widow you are going to hit EVEN MORE shots than the normal player. The average hit-rate% went up for everyone but that also means the cracked widows will barely miss.
I genuinely don't know how anyone can defend the changes, regardless of their mains. The only reason I could see someone liking the new hitboxes/projectile sizes is if they have the worst aim ever.
Definitely feel like the new Hanzo changes impact your play style which in turn changes the style or flow of your videos. Doesn’t mean change is bad, excited to see what you come up with next!
let's be honest, that would be overkill. I feel like if he was able to one shot most squishes (250 HP) with their larger health pools, his arrows hitbox would have to stay the same. Widow still oneshots, and she's a hitscan with a bigger hitbox. I don't know what they were smoking, but she's basically just a better assassin hanzo.
@@ricardothepilot6198and I would do just fine with the same hitboxes. I've been hitting people for 7.5 years now. It's not like that would've gone away. But if everyone including Widow gets a hitbox increase? What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
@@The_Tachmonite facts. Since oneshots bypass the whole "making team fights longer" sort of deal, I would pitch the same hitboxes. One good thing about the hitbox increase is that Flyers + Mercy are a lot easier to hit now.
With the changes made Hanzo wound up getting a 50% increase in his shot hit box, but pretty much lost access to an entire style of play. I think it would be preferable to most players if instead they made his arrow hit box 1.2, or even 1.1 instead of 1.5, buffed his damage by five for a total of 125, and dropped his HP to 225. With these numbers he's still competitive with other DPS in terms of accuracy, but still would require aim to land shots. He could two shot with body shots, but with a universal healing passive any average hp target could just go to cover after a single body shot and wait five seconds to start healing up. He would be able to one shot most heroes again on a head shot, but would be more susceptible to damage trades himself. Realistically without the one shot there isn't a lot of reason to play Hanzo when I could just grab solder or sojourn and constantly apply the 20% healing de-buff and have high burst damage cool downs to supplement the steady damage overtime that is incredibly easy to land now.
I mean, drop his damage to 100 and then just increase the headshot value to 2.5x. That way he 1-shots a 250hp char while taking 3 body shots making headshots feel good again. Would take 3 body shots (for 200+ hp chars) still meaning no impact on that side.
@@MrBrock314 You know, on the one hand I would argue that that would then make him less usefull with a mercy pocket, which does feel kind of good now with the change to storm arrow and the universal HP buffs, but I have to hard agree with the crit change and lowering base damage simply because it works with their goal of trying to mitigate the high impact of said burst damage. And frankly, with your numbers Hanzo isn't just a tank buster like he his now. So yeah, good call. And I'd still take the nerf to HP and projectile size for it, because honestly it feels more rewarding to hit shots with his old hit box. Also, I keep fucking up peaking corners because my arrow is half again as big as it used to be, and I've sonic arrowed my own location like...at least five or six times now....
You made me fall in love with the character, predicting where the enemy will be for the perfect head shots is the hanzo hero fantasy. They ruined him. Made him exactly the version that people hated. All the skill expression of the character is gone. It feels lucky and random even more since even hanzo doesn’t know if his shot will kill. Much better to play hitscan instead.
I haven't played this game in a minute, but always enjoy your gameplays. It's wild to me that they removed hanzo's main utility with 1 shots for most of the characters, and made Widow so much easier with almost no downsides. Widow has always seemed like the more problematic "1 shot" character in the gameplay as a noob, and it seems like the same is true in higher ranks looking at pick rates in competitive, and pro matches. Hopefully this shakes out sooner rather than later so Hanzo gets his identity back.
Even when you're forced to adopt a more dynamic and upfront approach with hanzo, man your skill shines through no matter what. Even though you're in the frontlines more rather than assassinating unaware targets you're still having so much impact it's really nice to see.
I actually don't feel good about those either. For the first hour you're like wow, but then it doesn't feel good. Gets dissatisfying, like you're not in control.
There's some plus sides, like Hanzo can survive solo flanking the enemies (healing passive) and he can also play in the frontline (extended HP) but lost its essence of "Assassin Hanzo" as one-shot kill no longer exists, also the weight of storm arrows are too high (damage increased and cool down decreased) leading to more spamming than precise plays.
The healing passive hasn't really increased survivability for flanking. The best thing for Hanzo's survivability on flanks was first shot accuracy on a one-shot. If you hit your first shot, no one looks to see why their teammate died. If you miss, the target (we'll say Ana) looks to see where the arrow came from, then everyone looks to see where the Ana is looking, and then everyone is on top of you like mold on old jam. Well now people are always gonna look after the first shot no matter what, tanking your survivability like nobody's business. And in my experience, if someone is chasing you down they don't give you a nice little respite where the 20hp per second is gonna save you.
Even since overwatch one the whole point was a sniper who takes off angles, and now 1 shots gone, thats like taking doomfists punch away, or tracers blink, it completely changes how u play the hero
Hanzo used to be a precision machine with a very high skill ceiling. His high difficulty and high damage are supposed to average out, but a skillful player could overcome the difficulty for a big impact. Unfortunately, the larger hurtbox lowers difficulty, thus lowering the skill ceiling, while the HP buffs mean he's less impactful than before. It is nice that team fights are longer.
I played Hanzo for all of OW1 and now I feel like he's just another "tank buster". My first game in season 9, I got 7 headshots, almost back to back, and didn't secure a single kill. I immediately switched to hitscan characters so I can actually kill something while having fun
Being honest, it requires you to spam incessantly and is clearly leading me and others to carpal tunnel. Now the "logs" are smaller, still can't one shot, and even harder to keep spamming. It feels like Hanzo plays like a strange mix of Soldier-meets-Tracer/Echo. Sort of an off angle, spray, get in, burst with spam rapidly, finish the unloading, back up, repeat. it doesn't suck per se - but watching around 30% of my targets get away with 1hp is rough. EDIT: not having to focus on skill as much also lessens the fun of the hero, and watching him lose one shot, but still require effort for a headshot, but have a Widow be able to one tap everyone out to 70m is ridiculous
Probably 90% of my playtime prior to season 9 was as hanzo, now I mainly play tank and healer. I think he is still very strong but it doesn't matter if he's not as fun/too easy to hit shots.
I feel the exact same way with junk rat taking out his one shot combo completely destroyed the character, no more rollouts and hit, scanned his giga buffed
Its so frustrating and unsatisfied to headshot someone with Hanzo and dont get the kill, i dont understand what Blizzard was smoking that time. Imagine being a smiper who cannot 1 shot any hero becides a few exceptions
you inspired me to become a hanzo main some time ago, and i loved the shit out of the previous playstyle....... AND IM LOVIN THE NEW STYLE TOO. been absolutely eating the last few days, HUGE damage numbers, always leading elims, destroying lobbies and infuriating enemies with ABSURD burst damage which is literally on a faster cooldown I LOVE IT ITS TIME FOR HANZO MAINS TO EAT TF UP, ENJOY IT FOLKS!!!
Yah, they should have kept hanzos projectile size the same and kept his one shot ability (so boost damage of fully loaded arrow with current larger health pools), reduced his storm arrows to 3 arrows, same fire speed, duration 3 seconds, with 5 second cooldown. Keep the heal passive. This would have made Hanzo his true expression: a sneaky assassin. The heal passive gives him i dependence since he would heal himself as he repositions. The smaller projectile size would ensure that not everyone could just pick hanzo and win. The smaller storm batch (3 vs 5) would reduce the ‘spamzo’ feel when a Hanzo misses his first shot and then pops storm and now has 5 retries in just over a second. The shorter cooldown would make storm arrows to be more useful to finish off opponents since they would be up more often. But you still need high skill because the projectile size would be smaller (than now) and you would only have 3 arrows.
The hitboxes are honestly a joke, dude. It's not like you didn't have a hard enough time avoiding Hanzo headshots. I enjoyed Hanzo/Tracer duels a lot. It feels like Tracer has the short end of the stick now.
Widow has a machine gun, a sniper, and a debuff trap as well as a grapple hook and wall hack ult. Hanzo has storm shot, wall climb, and radar arrow that bugs out and doesn't work sometimes, and a slow ass dragon ult that people can just walk out of now. Like if they'd give him like a explosive arrow or like a healing arrow like soldiers little healing packet that'd at least make flanking with him possible and limit him from having to have a mercy pocket.
I basically played ow bc of Hanzo, I just really love bows in Videogames, any videogame, in fps games, the best bow Ive ever played with was Hanzo’s, the fact that now it doesnt one shot-headshot enemies anymore makes it so boring to play without friends (I dont have any, Im a Hanzo player). I unironically uninstalled ow just when S9 came out, only coming back to ow if they fix their game (Impossible). Love you Arrge, will still watching u tho
as a hanzo main, thanks to you. I love the new season but no hanzo oneshot headshot anymore hurts. Shooting a healer headshot and not killing him doesn't feel good. Hopefully its gonna return soon. All we can do is pray🙏
fr. But then people would complain that his arrow hitbox is insane because the guy playing hanzo against them can actually land their shots, and the person dying has terrible positioning.
Hanzo losing his 1- hit kill headshot on most squishy champs, unaided, doesn't make sense to me. And I'm a support player. Blizz must truly have no idea how to work him out with the rest of the game. It's a testament to your ability that you can still kick butt on Hanzo tho, no matter the jank. Your skills are a sight to behold. Love your stuff man, keep having fun and doing your thing no matter the stream snipers and haters.
New Hanzo feels like he shoots Intercontinental ballistic intentions. The hitbox is huge, but it only causes emotional damage. Hanzo is now the La Croix of DPS. They basically made him into projectile Ashe, and it feels bad
To an extent i sorta see what they were trying to do by making hanzo not 1 shot anymore. Like being 1 shot by a near silent hero can be a bit annoying, with widow at least you usually know she's there. But this current state is not fun. Maybe a good solution would be giving hanzo some sort of additional benefit to headshots? Like what if when he headshots someone with normal arrow and it almost kills them he gets temporary wallhacks on that player and a storm arrow refresh, encouraging quick 1-2 combos. This would help with people ducking behind cover after headshot and put more emphasis on "simple geometry"
Im like, the Australian Arrge, and yeah, I very much dislike the Hanzo changes too. Without leaning right into the spamzo people are forced into doing, I am still trying to play likek its a 1 shot. Its' so hard to unlearn all I have learned from one shot hanzo era
i think they could make Hanzo's arrows smaller and make his headshot do 250 damage. if the devs think the 1shot is unfair because of distance they could give the arrows the same falloff range as Widow. i know they can give the arrows a falloff range because they've done it before with Orisa
Would be cool if they added a larger variety of arrows and made his dps slightly lower. A wall jack arrow, a poison arrow, a flash bang arrow etc would increase the skill expression
I'm just a gold player but I play with my IRL friends and Hanzo was always my favourite because it was fun. Nothing feels better then hitting a headshot to get a kill. Now he just feels super boring and none of us are playing this season. It's crazy how one little change has affected us playing
The old Arrge videos where he just killed shit and shared his adventures in ranked, death match, etc and he didn’t have the need to explain himself was very nostalgic for me and inspired me to learn Hanzo.
As a Hanzo/Genji player I couldnt be happier with the update. Thing is its so infuriating not being rewarded on headshot anymore with a kill UNLESS with another character involved. The hitbox is absurd in the most fun way though ending games with 20k easy is so much fun.
Honestly if they just reduce the slow on arrow draw “movement speed”,speed up draw time by 50%, lower max arrow too 100, give him faster wall climb “Kirko wallclimb” and a second usage of wallclimb after using the leap “before touching ground” then he’s his own character again! And just maybe he doesn’t need a mercy to hold his hand at all times.
I’m fine with them reducing Hanzo’s projectile size back to normal, as long as we get our one shot sniping damage back, or if they speed up the bow’s draw back time. Most DPS just have to hold down prime fire and move their mouse a little. Snipers have to wait for a full charge, aim, and shoot, wait, aim and shoot. Plus with Hanzo we have to predict where you’re going, we can’t just follow your movement with our left click pressed down like 76, Bastion, Sojourn, Symmetra, Reaper, Echo, Sombra, Mei and Tracer.
Hanzos whole identity is to oneshotting using a projectile that just needs you to catch people off guard to do. Now not only did they take that part away which needed skill, but also increased projectile size making it even less rewarding bc its just spam simulator now. Honestly the only thing they need to do is revert the change from season 8 which made him unable to os 250 heroes, while also lowering his projectile size to how it was. The way he was before
id rather it be near impossible to hit a headshot 1 tap then no 1tap at all without third party. its what made the hero so satisfying and worth putting hundreds of hours of practice into
i feel like to a certain extent, we needed that dmg for 1 shots due to how it can be difficult to hit certain shots and be considered... useful to our teams, as a hanzo main since like Overwatch 1 season 8. Not being able to properly get solo kills from well placed shots takes the high away from headshots with him. It no longer feels like im a huge factor to a win or loss to a fight or game anymore as hanzo
You remember that one kinda creepy guy in high school who wanted to be a 'game designer' but was completely average at games? They work for Blizzard now. Fallen from grace is an understatement.
I really enjoy how fights feel like fights now instead of just who dives better. Longer fights are much more interesting and allow for more counterplay imo. Best part of season 9. I think the health buffs were a good change overall which obviously were a massive part of elongating the fights. HOWEVER, as a player with bad aim, the hitboxes are pretty ridiculous. I hit some shots that I know I never would have hit in season 8, and while it feels good, it also feels unearned
This really shows how the "mercy pocket range" should never, ever be in the game. Something should either one shot, or two shot even with a Mercy, as the in between is just the worst of both world. It's still basically as frustrating as a one shot from the receiving end since, yn, dying after losing 10hp doesn't exactly feels fair, and it's frustrating for the DPS since they can no longer chain kills effectively. I used to be in the "make hanzo not one shot" camp, but this can't be pulled off without a significant rework and this is clearly not it. This change just makes the game worst for everyone.
These changes dumb down the hero, and take away player agency. Everyone remember when Hanzo mains were the most hated players ever? It's bc they all played like this, how we're all being FORCED to play now. Before s9, the sneaky/assassin playstyle had emerged. That's much more rewarding of positioning and gamesense, and it fits SO much better with Hanzo's character identity. Granted, you could still spam at choke points. But it was much less reliable, so you were encouraged to actually think about what you were doing and go for unaware targets instead. A smaller arrow hitbox, and the ability to still one-shot headshot, is what Hanzo needs and deserves.
17:09 ahh yes my favorite metastrat. the "patient, ranged archer turns into manic, in your face gunner" strategy. subvert expectations and catch em off guard!
Not really seen much of new hanzo but idk I feel like overwatch should make him more mobile to hit shots from sneaky places rather than staying back and being a glamorized Sentry Gun
Read recently that they’re planning to adjust some of the changes they made at the start of S9, hopefully that includes certain hitboxes (Hanzo for one, but as a support player I have to say Kiri and Zen feel kinda ridiculous) and some hitscan characters like 76 or Widow
They should have kept the one shot, but made his damage have a 30m drop off. That way he could still one shot, but not across the map like players were complaining about. Widow wasn't the one that needed drop off, it was Hanzo. Hanzo isn't a sniper like Widow. He has a bow, good movement, ect. Widow has a sniper, needs to basically stay still most of the time for her shots, except when she is in the air getting 360s. As a support main. I say one shots are good for the game. It teaches positioning.
As a widow main and primarily hitscan player, hitscan bullet sizes did not need an increase and should be decreased to its previous state. To compensate that projectiles should be decreased by .05 For example, instead of kiriko being .25 (her current projectile) it would now be .2 and so on. If they decide to keep the increased sizes those increases should be hero specific mostly catered towards projectile characters since no hitscan needed these changes.
As a tracer main, hanzo is now literally just a horror movie villain levels terrifying. He can just stand there, menacingly, among his backline and I'm screwed.
I hit an ash with 2 fully charged shots in 5 seconds and both times they survived on 10hp. I'd be perfectly fine with them reverting Hanzo's projectile changes and increased his damage so he can 1 shot 275hp or 250hp targets
the game is WAY more fun just in general now i feel like the level of competition was raised up a ton as well, this patch isnt great for being more competitive but this isnt counter strike just makes the game more fun
As a hanzo main as well, this change is a huge inconvenience because I normally go for headshots to instantly kill the enemy. So I am now rather going to widow cuz of the one shot headshot.
Blizzard approached "the hanzo problem" with the same sledgehammer approach they've had to every problem and amplified everything that people hated and crippling his identity in the process. But on the plus side they also did that to Junkrat as well so I guess we've gotta take the good with the bad. As a casual Hanzo enjoyer, it's been fun to hit more logs than usual, but I kinda think it's a bit ridiculous at how many projectiles actually hit now lol. Especially if I completely missed but the game says I hit.
They are basically forcing you to combine attacks. Find what character you synergize with and go with it. I was playing Sombra with ball earlier and omg it's nice.
I haven’t played hanzo yet I’ve only had time to play a few matches this season so far, but from what I can see he seems less like a playmaker and more like a spam/pressure character
Hanzo was really cool cuz you kinda got to assassinate then spam a lil to just help after staggering ppl. Now it seems more spammy cuz if you just keep shooting eventually you'll get a kill :/ would be cool if they did something to nerf mid/close engagements but gave back his now 250hp 1 hits like slowing rof a bit but upping DMG to 125 base and 250 head
Trying out some new hanzo ideas live on stream today twitch.tv/arrge (or ua-cam.com/users/arrgelive ) DROPS ONLY ON TWITCH THO (cool zen skin + weapon charm)
yo arrge is it the time u retire XD after what blizzard did to ow2 it is a sarcastic joke im not good with eng so
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bro thx for the long video. I need it after a 24hr turn at the worst hospital ever
😂i strived to be like you ( even became main hanzo cause of ur videos)
but instead you went and became like me ( spamHanzo😢)
what they did to our boy 😂 ?!
bigger videos and less edit nice af keep the goos job ✌️
my opinion doesn't matter because I'm hard stuck diamond :D
Hanzo mains didn't want it for headshots to be easier, it was about earning those headshots.
absolutely
Could not have said it better myself, this game requires no skill after this update and it sucks to see
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I just think is ironic that people asked (i mean cried) for changes and when they get what theu wanted people still complained, for good or for bad the OW cant never win with a b*tchy fanbase like this
I can’t lie seeing a lot more hit markers really spiked that dopamine. However dinging a stupid Moira in the head and seeing her just fade away hurts.
so ture
The changes they’ve made to Hanzo ironically makes him exactly the thing people complained about Hanzo
nah, you can play the game now when there's an enemy hanzo and not be scared of one shots
@@angeltorres9232the nerfs are mitigated with a mercy pocket so you just have a giga buffed Hanzo.
@@angeltorres9232isnt that the point of Hanzo? Shit is so hard to get headshot and theres no reward anymore
That's overwatch team for you.
Even if the staff changes, the identity stays the same!
@@angeltorres9232 yea he needed skill to at least aim head level now you get storm arrows in the face
They took the one shot potential out of Hanzo and Junkrat. Although its frustrating for other players to die from burst damage these hero's now rely on spam damage and less on mechanical skill making them less fun to play.
And less fun to play against. If I'm out played by a good Hanzo or widow, I'm impressed and respect the player and will often watch the replay to see if there's anything I can learn. Now it just feels like luck, they saw me before I saw them and they shot in my general area. Junkrat was already not fun to play against due to the CC of his kit. Now he does more damage. Just make his body hit box smaller so he's not as easy to spam vs making him more annoying to deal with because you're flying in the air and taking mass amounts of damage.
Same with Hanzo, instead of buffing his projectile size and removing the one-shot, nerf his projectile size and make it take more skill to hit headshots so there's less spamzo in the game
@@Jessespresso W take
@@Jessespresso nah man, only hanzo is luck hero. Widow requires high skill
High Masters Hanzo main here. I have kind of found a way to make this hero work, even with my original play-style as a short flanker with no pocket (currently haven't lost a game yet). My main problem with this hero though, is while he's more consistent from fight to fight with the projectile changes, if your team is not playing properly, your own personal value drops off drastically, even if you're hitting all your shots, due to his limitations. Basically it feels like he has very little to no solo clutch potential. Being able to clutch a point in a 1v4 or 2v4 is basically impossible unless your other teammate is a Mercy. True, that didn't happen all that often, but it was POSSIBLE. The projectile size changes are currently like staples barely holding the hero together. If his is one of the projectiles getting reduced in size, the hero is potentially dead. What I liked about playing him before, while difficult, you could hard carry a game if you were good enough.
I'm a GM2 peak Hanzo OTP and had more or less the same playstyle. You're on point with the loss of clutch potential. I chained 4 headshots together the other day and no one died. No picks on the supports + all of my team shooting at the tank in their face = my team getting their faces stomped in.
@@The_Tachmonite Im in pretty much the same boat. The fact that other DPS characters have all gotten buffs while they took away Hanzos ability to one shot makes the game just not fun for me any more. the clutch aspect of the game is what makes it truly fun(imo), and now it seems they want to get rid of that potential. the game was already becoming less and less fun, now its hold mouse 1 simulator.
@@yeemyreamy5895 what made Hanzo fun was reaching for the impossible. You knew that there was always a chance that you could pop off and win. The highs with him were higher than with any other character.
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Potatoes: Any kind of potato will work in this recipe. For best performance I prefer a roasting or mashing variety.
Cheese: Use your favorite cheese including Colby, Tasty or Edam.
Bacon: I often go for streaky bacon in this recipe. But any other type including middle bacon or bacon bits would work well.
Preheat the oven to 190°C fan bake. Fry the bacon over a gentle heat until crispy and brown. Set aside. Thinly slice the potatoes with a sharp knife or mandolin. Mix the cream, milk and garlic together with lots of salt and pepper. Place a third of the potatoes in the base of a large ovenproof dish. Sprinkle a third of the cheese and bacon over the potatoes, then pour over a third of the creamy mix. Repeat until you have three layers. Bake for 70-80 minutes until the potatoes are cooked and the top is golden.
RECIPE FAQS:
Could this dish be made ahead of time?
Yes! You could either make the whole dish, then cover it in tin foil and reheat in the oven later. Or you could assemble the dish earlier in the day and refrigerate it before cooking it later.
Is this dish gluten free?
Is sure is! The sauce is thickened by cream instead of flour.
isnt this like a potato au gratin
Hanzo was the character that rewarded skill and patience when hitting your shots. The new character feels more like junkrat than the Hanzo i've spent years playing.
Not even Junk rat, Junk rat was a master flanker, now he can't flank without using his all kit and be left naked in the enemy back lane. He was completely destroyed too. No he just spams just like hanzo or even worst
bro hanzo and junkrat my two and only 2 dps mains got nerfed into the fucking ground, i would honestly trade the extra 50 hp for an additional 5 damage so his bow can 1 shot again@@EsotericPain
i think junk and hanzi are both trash now. i mean i don't really spam as junket but not i have to hit so many more shots to kill people. it sucks
Hanzo being like this and widow dominating is exactly thr opposite of what we wanted. at least the comp changes are hood tho
I just think is ironic that people asked (i mean cried) for changes and when they get what theu wanted people still complained, for good or for bad the OW cant never win with a b*tchy fanbase like this
Widow shoots hanzo arrows, genji shurikens are the size of small children, soldier can hold left click in the general direction of "red" and hit 2/3rds of his clip. This update was the "too much of our playerbase SUCKS at aiming" update.
its almost as if removing a tank and speeding up game has consequences
@geert574 they need to focus on tank stuff and not add a dps passive, maybe we'd have something close to balanced.
Hanzo mains: spamzo isn't real, he can't hurt you.
OW Devs: ...about that...
lmao
You are right, they cant hurt me not even with a headshot
Hanzo is the only reason I ever picked up overwatch back in 2016 and he’s the reason I still play to this day. Few characters can truly dominate as much as a good Hanzo, along with some luck. The amazing thing about Hanzo was there was always a shot. Last team fight your whole team is dead but you just got a headshot and now it’s a 1 v 2 for the win. You get another and stall out for some help or you just get both the dudes with some crazy clip. They didn’t take too much and gave a lot back but the feeling of the gameplay is something that cannot be returned. Overall not too upset could be good for the game. Love you Hanzo.
I used to feel kinda proud of myself for being able to hit shots with Hanzo. But now I feel like it's a dirty move to pick Hanzo.
I would say the same but tbh hitscan is just as bad. I'm annihilating people on soldier even more so this season because I just can't miss lmao
@@fatgeekOW yeah soldier is disgusting on this patch tbh. I can just stay back and melt literally every single hero even orisa cause dps passive is strong against even her.
this made me rememeber one time i hs someone and was happy but then realised it was a mei and that b*tch cannot die with 1 arrow in her head
@@ashonline77 Bastion non-turret is shooting fucking laser beams too... I was beaming a widow across the map the other day.. Devs might have overcooked a bit on the changes.
Fr
They removed one shot from a travel time time projectile hero, with whom you had to to aim, AND predict, AND account for bullet drop and travel time, instead of from the hitscan point and click character widowmaker. Previously, if you relied on luck and spam, you were always more of a hindrance to your team because you could do better with any other hero. Now, that’s supposed to be your main play style. The devs were bullied into this change by horrible players who were punished by hanzo for their godawful movement and positioning.
Hanzo is supposed to be a skill based character, rewarding patience and positioning, now it's just spam based.
Always has been
@@j0shsux579If you wanted to be consistent, and actually good, no. He wasnt. His projectile was smaller than genji's shurikens, now, he can spam even more and not rely on as much aim as before
@@OShapesmorfopre season 9 patch Genji shuriken and hanzos arrows were the same size
my dude you are crying too much, just get a pocket and everything is back again, now hanzo has to rely on confirming kills rather than take random picks
@@angeltorres9232 the rank 1 hanzo player is saying that the character sucks and you say i'm in the wrong?
The Devs Were So Preoccupied With Whether Or Not They Could, They Didn’t Stop To Think If They Should.
As a widow main, what they did to Hanzo is criminal. Hell, what they did to widow is criminal, just in a different way.
they litteraly buffed widow ?
@@labizzzzze they're talking about how it's easier and more unsatisfying to play both characters. Why try hard when your bullet hits air and gets you a headshot?
@@whoahanant i agree, ive spent over 1000+ h on widow just to feel that satisfying sound of a headshot but now thanks to the changes it feels like all that skill was wasted
@@Cosmos565 Well that logic does not really add up? Sure everyone hits more shots now, but if ur an amazing widow you are going to hit EVEN MORE shots than the normal player. The average hit-rate% went up for everyone but that also means the cracked widows will barely miss.
I genuinely don't know how anyone can defend the changes, regardless of their mains. The only reason I could see someone liking the new hitboxes/projectile sizes is if they have the worst aim ever.
Definitely feel like the new Hanzo changes impact your play style which in turn changes the style or flow of your videos. Doesn’t mean change is bad, excited to see what you come up with next!
Seeing sensei Arrge not doing his usual thing hurts.
Stay strong and let us medidate for better times my fellow Hanzo brothers!
0:17 HOLY FUCK!!! Hanzo did not need this.
3:37 Very good Distraction.
Hanzo not having a one shot anymore just destroys the fun of his his arrows having a bigger hitbox
let's be honest, that would be overkill. I feel like if he was able to one shot most squishes (250 HP) with their larger health pools, his arrows hitbox would have to stay the same. Widow still oneshots, and she's a hitscan with a bigger hitbox. I don't know what they were smoking, but she's basically just a better assassin hanzo.
@@ricardothepilot6198and I would do just fine with the same hitboxes. I've been hitting people for 7.5 years now. It's not like that would've gone away. But if everyone including Widow gets a hitbox increase? What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
@@The_Tachmonite facts. Since oneshots bypass the whole "making team fights longer" sort of deal, I would pitch the same hitboxes. One good thing about the hitbox increase is that Flyers + Mercy are a lot easier to hit now.
Better play cs2/valo if you like oneshots
With the changes made Hanzo wound up getting a 50% increase in his shot hit box, but pretty much lost access to an entire style of play. I think it would be preferable to most players if instead they made his arrow hit box 1.2, or even 1.1 instead of 1.5, buffed his damage by five for a total of 125, and dropped his HP to 225. With these numbers he's still competitive with other DPS in terms of accuracy, but still would require aim to land shots. He could two shot with body shots, but with a universal healing passive any average hp target could just go to cover after a single body shot and wait five seconds to start healing up. He would be able to one shot most heroes again on a head shot, but would be more susceptible to damage trades himself. Realistically without the one shot there isn't a lot of reason to play Hanzo when I could just grab solder or sojourn and constantly apply the 20% healing de-buff and have high burst damage cool downs to supplement the steady damage overtime that is incredibly easy to land now.
I mean, drop his damage to 100 and then just increase the headshot value to 2.5x. That way he 1-shots a 250hp char while taking 3 body shots making headshots feel good again. Would take 3 body shots (for 200+ hp chars) still meaning no impact on that side.
@@MrBrock314 You know, on the one hand I would argue that that would then make him less usefull with a mercy pocket, which does feel kind of good now with the change to storm arrow and the universal HP buffs, but I have to hard agree with the crit change and lowering base damage simply because it works with their goal of trying to mitigate the high impact of said burst damage. And frankly, with your numbers Hanzo isn't just a tank buster like he his now. So yeah, good call. And I'd still take the nerf to HP and projectile size for it, because honestly it feels more rewarding to hit shots with his old hit box. Also, I keep fucking up peaking corners because my arrow is half again as big as it used to be, and I've sonic arrowed my own location like...at least five or six times now....
You made me fall in love with the character, predicting where the enemy will be for the perfect head shots is the hanzo hero fantasy. They ruined him. Made him exactly the version that people hated. All the skill expression of the character is gone. It feels lucky and random even more since even hanzo doesn’t know if his shot will kill.
Much better to play hitscan instead.
I haven't played this game in a minute, but always enjoy your gameplays. It's wild to me that they removed hanzo's main utility with 1 shots for most of the characters, and made Widow so much easier with almost no downsides. Widow has always seemed like the more problematic "1 shot" character in the gameplay as a noob, and it seems like the same is true in higher ranks looking at pick rates in competitive, and pro matches. Hopefully this shakes out sooner rather than later so Hanzo gets his identity back.
12:10 "GET DOWN MR PRESIDENT!"
Even when you're forced to adopt a more dynamic and upfront approach with hanzo, man your skill shines through no matter what. Even though you're in the frontlines more rather than assassinating unaware targets you're still having so much impact it's really nice to see.
The projectile size and storm arrow feel great, but the fact that you can't one shot a Kiriko with a fully charged arrow headshot is absurd. lmao
Ye
Guys i think this guy may slightly dislike kiriko
I actually don't feel good about those either.
For the first hour you're like wow, but then it doesn't feel good. Gets dissatisfying, like you're not in control.
@@AshVXmc even i that main support think kiriko damage is a bit too much is basically a mini hanzo but with teleport and suzu
@@diogosousa7698 you shut your mouth
"It turned Hanzo into the stereotype that everyone always forced on the character" this sums it up:(
There's some plus sides, like Hanzo can survive solo flanking the enemies (healing passive) and he can also play in the frontline (extended HP) but lost its essence of "Assassin Hanzo" as one-shot kill no longer exists, also the weight of storm arrows are too high (damage increased and cool down decreased) leading to more spamming than precise plays.
The healing passive hasn't really increased survivability for flanking. The best thing for Hanzo's survivability on flanks was first shot accuracy on a one-shot. If you hit your first shot, no one looks to see why their teammate died. If you miss, the target (we'll say Ana) looks to see where the arrow came from, then everyone looks to see where the Ana is looking, and then everyone is on top of you like mold on old jam.
Well now people are always gonna look after the first shot no matter what, tanking your survivability like nobody's business. And in my experience, if someone is chasing you down they don't give you a nice little respite where the 20hp per second is gonna save you.
I entirely disagree. Now you can be very aggressive hanzo in front line. Storm arrows is extremely good. Makes him probably best dps in comp rn
Blizzard: Hanzo can't 1 shot anymore! Also Blizzard: Forgets about mercy... again
Even since overwatch one the whole point was a sniper who takes off angles, and now 1 shots gone, thats like taking doomfists punch away, or tracers blink, it completely changes how u play the hero
They wrecked pharah's niche too. Just echo now.
Hanzo used to be a precision machine with a very high skill ceiling. His high difficulty and high damage are supposed to average out, but a skillful player could overcome the difficulty for a big impact. Unfortunately, the larger hurtbox lowers difficulty, thus lowering the skill ceiling, while the HP buffs mean he's less impactful than before. It is nice that team fights are longer.
I played Hanzo for all of OW1 and now I feel like he's just another "tank buster". My first game in season 9, I got 7 headshots, almost back to back, and didn't secure a single kill. I immediately switched to hitscan characters so I can actually kill something while having fun
Hanzo in my opinion was always a solo playmaker, but now he feels like he needs to play alot around his team.
Hanzo is throwing pool noodles down field now.
What the ever flying fuck is a pool noodle?
@@usmhlong, thin cylindrical tube of foam that floats in the pool
@@usmh Check out a pool. :)
@@usmhold enough to curse but not old enough to google pool noodle
Being honest, it requires you to spam incessantly and is clearly leading me and others to carpal tunnel. Now the "logs" are smaller, still can't one shot, and even harder to keep spamming. It feels like Hanzo plays like a strange mix of Soldier-meets-Tracer/Echo. Sort of an off angle, spray, get in, burst with spam rapidly, finish the unloading, back up, repeat. it doesn't suck per se - but watching around 30% of my targets get away with 1hp is rough. EDIT: not having to focus on skill as much also lessens the fun of the hero, and watching him lose one shot, but still require effort for a headshot, but have a Widow be able to one tap everyone out to 70m is ridiculous
I loved your humour in the video, still I'm gonna miss your slime and assasin Hanzo :c They were so fun to watch!
Probably 90% of my playtime prior to season 9 was as hanzo, now I mainly play tank and healer. I think he is still very strong but it doesn't matter if he's not as fun/too easy to hit shots.
I feel the exact same way with junk rat taking out his one shot combo completely destroyed the character, no more rollouts and hit, scanned his giga buffed
Its so frustrating and unsatisfied to headshot someone with Hanzo and dont get the kill, i dont understand what Blizzard was smoking that time. Imagine being a smiper who cannot 1 shot any hero becides a few exceptions
OW2 is a game of nerf darts, bouncey castles, inflatible helmets, and Hanzo/Widow headshots.
Accurate
Formerly of Hanzo headshots. Now a Hanzo headshot is a light massage.
@@MrBrock314 it's an opportunity for the supports to go, "Oh no, did that hurt? I'm so sowwy! UwU"
you inspired me to become a hanzo main some time ago, and i loved the shit out of the previous playstyle.......
AND IM LOVIN THE NEW STYLE TOO. been absolutely eating the last few days, HUGE damage numbers, always leading elims, destroying lobbies and infuriating enemies with ABSURD burst damage which is literally on a faster cooldown I LOVE IT ITS TIME FOR HANZO MAINS TO EAT TF UP, ENJOY IT FOLKS!!!
They completely took out the reason i play hanzo
It's funny how much the way you describe how gameplay feels now is how everyone described 6v6 gameplay..
new hanzo is so boring smh
So true
fr man i don't play him as much cause spamzo
Fr
i think the whole game is more boring not only hanzo. Its just a spam simulation now. The skill level of the game has "merging"
I was thinking the same thing
Yah, they should have kept hanzos projectile size the same and kept his one shot ability (so boost damage of fully loaded arrow with current larger health pools), reduced his storm arrows to 3 arrows, same fire speed, duration 3 seconds, with 5 second cooldown. Keep the heal passive.
This would have made Hanzo his true expression: a sneaky assassin.
The heal passive gives him i dependence since he would heal himself as he repositions.
The smaller projectile size would ensure that not everyone could just pick hanzo and win.
The smaller storm batch (3 vs 5) would reduce the ‘spamzo’ feel when a Hanzo misses his first shot and then pops storm and now has 5 retries in just over a second.
The shorter cooldown would make storm arrows to be more useful to finish off opponents since they would be up more often. But you still need high skill because the projectile size would be smaller (than now) and you would only have 3 arrows.
As a Tracer player, I am really loving the new Kiri, Handsoap, Widow, Echo, Torb, Genji..... I have learned so many new ways back from spawn.
The hitboxes are honestly a joke, dude. It's not like you didn't have a hard enough time avoiding Hanzo headshots. I enjoyed Hanzo/Tracer duels a lot. It feels like Tracer has the short end of the stick now.
Widow has a machine gun, a sniper, and a debuff trap as well as a grapple hook and wall hack ult. Hanzo has storm shot, wall climb, and radar arrow that bugs out and doesn't work sometimes, and a slow ass dragon ult that people can just walk out of now. Like if they'd give him like a explosive arrow or like a healing arrow like soldiers little healing packet that'd at least make flanking with him possible and limit him from having to have a mercy pocket.
Either way he needs something if they're not going to give him back his headshots
I basically played ow bc of Hanzo, I just really love bows in Videogames, any videogame, in fps games, the best bow Ive ever played with was Hanzo’s, the fact that now it doesnt one shot-headshot enemies anymore makes it so boring to play without friends (I dont have any, Im a Hanzo player).
I unironically uninstalled ow just when S9 came out, only coming back to ow if they fix their game (Impossible).
Love you Arrge, will still watching u tho
as a hanzo main, thanks to you.
I love the new season but no hanzo oneshot headshot anymore hurts.
Shooting a healer headshot and not killing him doesn't feel good.
Hopefully its gonna return soon.
All we can do is pray🙏
New Hanzo is a neutered, watered down version of the character I learned to love
Nerf the projectile size by like ½ and up the damage back to 250 for headshots
fr. But then people would complain that his arrow hitbox is insane because the guy playing hanzo against them can actually land their shots, and the person dying has terrible positioning.
@aprophetofrng9821 frfr. I put in time to learn how to aim and hit heads for consistent picks. Now it's all useless
Hanzo losing his 1- hit kill headshot on most squishy champs, unaided, doesn't make sense to me. And I'm a support player. Blizz must truly have no idea how to work him out with the rest of the game. It's a testament to your ability that you can still kick butt on Hanzo tho, no matter the jank. Your skills are a sight to behold.
Love your stuff man, keep having fun and doing your thing no matter the stream snipers and haters.
"witness the flame of my soul!"
It's like blizzard took that sentence and decided to douse the flame. Every shot hurts.
New Hanzo feels like he shoots Intercontinental ballistic intentions. The hitbox is huge, but it only causes emotional damage.
Hanzo is now the La Croix of DPS.
They basically made him into projectile Ashe, and it feels bad
Mained hanzo a week ago to one shot, and now I can't.....
love your videos btw 😁
small correction: widow new bullets are size 0.05 while hanzo old arrows are size 0.1
0.08 no?
@@Arrge oh it is 0.08. i was sure 0.05.
and i think old hanzo was 0.1 and now its 0.2
To an extent i sorta see what they were trying to do by making hanzo not 1 shot anymore. Like being 1 shot by a near silent hero can be a bit annoying, with widow at least you usually know she's there. But this current state is not fun. Maybe a good solution would be giving hanzo some sort of additional benefit to headshots? Like what if when he headshots someone with normal arrow and it almost kills them he gets temporary wallhacks on that player and a storm arrow refresh, encouraging quick 1-2 combos.
This would help with people ducking behind cover after headshot and put more emphasis on "simple geometry"
Im like, the Australian Arrge, and yeah, I very much dislike the Hanzo changes too. Without leaning right into the spamzo people are forced into doing, I am still trying to play likek its a 1 shot. Its' so hard to unlearn all I have learned from one shot hanzo era
i think they could make Hanzo's arrows smaller and make his headshot do 250 damage.
if the devs think the 1shot is unfair because of distance they could give the arrows the same falloff range as Widow.
i know they can give the arrows a falloff range because they've done it before with Orisa
Dude, they removed damage reduction from Orisa😐😐😐
@@plawerian i know, but it used to have falloff so my point still stands
So many worthy voice clips this video
“Cosmetic DPS”
“Oh shxt, a stack of Finnish people”
Would be cool if they added a larger variety of arrows and made his dps slightly lower. A wall jack arrow, a poison arrow, a flash bang arrow etc would increase the skill expression
At the beginning of the season I hated that they removed HK, but after destroying this giant hitbox I realized that Hanzo became even stronger.
I'm just a gold player but I play with my IRL friends and Hanzo was always my favourite because it was fun. Nothing feels better then hitting a headshot to get a kill. Now he just feels super boring and none of us are playing this season. It's crazy how one little change has affected us playing
shoutout to that Mercy tanking that rocket for you lol 12:13
The old Arrge videos where he just killed shit and shared his adventures in ranked, death match, etc and he didn’t have the need to explain himself was very nostalgic for me and inspired me to learn Hanzo.
As a Hanzo/Genji player I couldnt be happier with the update. Thing is its so infuriating not being rewarded on headshot anymore with a kill UNLESS with another character involved. The hitbox is absurd in the most fun way though ending games with 20k easy is so much fun.
As a Hanzo main, his shots feel way easier to hit; however, losing the one-shot capability definitely affects how enjoyable the experience is overall.
I haven't watch too many of your recent videos but I enjoy the commentary notes you give over the gameplay
Honestly if they just reduce the slow on arrow draw “movement speed”,speed up draw time by 50%, lower max arrow too 100, give him faster wall climb “Kirko wallclimb” and a second usage of wallclimb after using the leap “before touching ground” then he’s his own character again! And just maybe he doesn’t need a mercy to hold his hand at all times.
I’m fine with them reducing Hanzo’s projectile size back to normal, as long as we get our one shot sniping damage back, or if they speed up the bow’s draw back time. Most DPS just have to hold down prime fire and move their mouse a little. Snipers have to wait for a full charge, aim, and shoot, wait, aim and shoot. Plus with Hanzo we have to predict where you’re going, we can’t just follow your movement with our left click pressed down like 76, Bastion, Sojourn, Symmetra, Reaper, Echo, Sombra, Mei and Tracer.
Hanzos whole identity is to oneshotting using a projectile that just needs you to catch people off guard to do. Now not only did they take that part away which needed skill, but also increased projectile size making it even less rewarding bc its just spam simulator now. Honestly the only thing they need to do is revert the change from season 8 which made him unable to os 250 heroes, while also lowering his projectile size to how it was. The way he was before
id rather it be near impossible to hit a headshot 1 tap then no 1tap at all without third party. its what made the hero so satisfying and worth putting hundreds of hours of practice into
i feel like to a certain extent, we needed that dmg for 1 shots due to how it can be difficult to hit certain shots and be considered... useful to our teams, as a hanzo main since like Overwatch 1 season 8. Not being able to properly get solo kills from well placed shots takes the high away from headshots with him. It no longer feels like im a huge factor to a win or loss to a fight or game anymore as hanzo
You remember that one kinda creepy guy in high school who wanted to be a 'game designer' but was completely average at games? They work for Blizzard now. Fallen from grace is an understatement.
I really enjoy how fights feel like fights now instead of just who dives better. Longer fights are much more interesting and allow for more counterplay imo. Best part of season 9. I think the health buffs were a good change overall which obviously were a massive part of elongating the fights. HOWEVER, as a player with bad aim, the hitboxes are pretty ridiculous. I hit some shots that I know I never would have hit in season 8, and while it feels good, it also feels unearned
This really shows how the "mercy pocket range" should never, ever be in the game. Something should either one shot, or two shot even with a Mercy, as the in between is just the worst of both world. It's still basically as frustrating as a one shot from the receiving end since, yn, dying after losing 10hp doesn't exactly feels fair, and it's frustrating for the DPS since they can no longer chain kills effectively.
I used to be in the "make hanzo not one shot" camp, but this can't be pulled off without a significant rework and this is clearly not it. This change just makes the game worst for everyone.
These changes dumb down the hero, and take away player agency. Everyone remember when Hanzo mains were the most hated players ever? It's bc they all played like this, how we're all being FORCED to play now.
Before s9, the sneaky/assassin playstyle had emerged. That's much more rewarding of positioning and gamesense, and it fits SO much better with Hanzo's character identity.
Granted, you could still spam at choke points. But it was much less reliable, so you were encouraged to actually think about what you were doing and go for unaware targets instead.
A smaller arrow hitbox, and the ability to still one-shot headshot, is what Hanzo needs and deserves.
17:09 ahh yes my favorite metastrat. the "patient, ranged archer turns into manic, in your face gunner" strategy. subvert expectations and catch em off guard!
Was just getting into playing hanzo as a new to pc overwatch player 😢
I think this is the first season where im actually happy to have a hanzo on my team
i came to this channel for the insane hanzo plays. i stayed for the "cleanus penus". i bet you could talk over a game of Pong and still make me laugh.
That brig doing the Sombra-style C9 twice while standing on top of the payload lmao
Bro the arrows aren’t logs anymore… they are goddamn sequoia trees
Not really seen much of new hanzo but idk I feel like overwatch should make him more mobile to hit shots from sneaky places rather than staying back and being a glamorized Sentry Gun
Read recently that they’re planning to adjust some of the changes they made at the start of S9, hopefully that includes certain hitboxes (Hanzo for one, but as a support player I have to say Kiri and Zen feel kinda ridiculous) and some hitscan characters like 76 or Widow
They should have kept the one shot, but made his damage have a 30m drop off. That way he could still one shot, but not across the map like players were complaining about. Widow wasn't the one that needed drop off, it was Hanzo. Hanzo isn't a sniper like Widow. He has a bow, good movement, ect. Widow has a sniper, needs to basically stay still most of the time for her shots, except when she is in the air getting 360s. As a support main. I say one shots are good for the game. It teaches positioning.
We finally have the spamzo everyone has been talking about the whole game
That kill on the S76 was hilarious!
As a widow main and primarily hitscan player, hitscan bullet sizes did not need an increase and should be decreased to its previous state. To compensate that projectiles should be decreased by .05 For example, instead of kiriko being .25 (her current projectile) it would now be .2 and so on. If they decide to keep the increased sizes those increases should be hero specific mostly catered towards projectile characters since no hitscan needed these changes.
As a tracer main, hanzo is now literally just a horror movie villain levels terrifying.
He can just stand there, menacingly, among his backline and I'm screwed.
I hit an ash with 2 fully charged shots in 5 seconds and both times they survived on 10hp. I'd be perfectly fine with them reverting Hanzo's projectile changes and increased his damage so he can 1 shot 275hp or 250hp targets
the game is WAY more fun just in general now i feel like the level of competition was raised up a ton as well, this patch isnt great for being more competitive but this isnt counter strike just makes the game more fun
As a hanzo main as well, this change is a huge inconvenience because I normally go for headshots to instantly kill the enemy. So I am now rather going to widow cuz of the one shot headshot.
Blizzard approached "the hanzo problem" with the same sledgehammer approach they've had to every problem and amplified everything that people hated and crippling his identity in the process. But on the plus side they also did that to Junkrat as well so I guess we've gotta take the good with the bad.
As a casual Hanzo enjoyer, it's been fun to hit more logs than usual, but I kinda think it's a bit ridiculous at how many projectiles actually hit now lol. Especially if I completely missed but the game says I hit.
The should revert hanzo hit box and give on shot head shots back. As well as making the tip of the arrow the the hit box and not the back part.
I really like how shooting someone in the head with an arrow does not kill them, it really improves the game! Thanks blizzard!
They are basically forcing you to combine attacks. Find what character you synergize with and go with it. I was playing Sombra with ball earlier and omg it's nice.
i was taking a shower until a storm arrow ripped through my shower curtain.
I haven’t played hanzo yet I’ve only had time to play a few matches this season so far, but from what I can see he seems less like a playmaker and more like a spam/pressure character
Hanzo was really cool cuz you kinda got to assassinate then spam a lil to just help after staggering ppl. Now it seems more spammy cuz if you just keep shooting eventually you'll get a kill :/ would be cool if they did something to nerf mid/close engagements but gave back his now 250hp 1 hits like slowing rof a bit but upping DMG to 125 base and 250 head