@SheevTalks You’re not missing anything. It’s worse than the first film which was already terrible and makes me angry that Zack Snyder is given all this money to produce an original concept and messed it up this badly.
@@nathanielzarny1176 They don't care about the books or continuity lol Orn Free Ta gets blasted in the fucking head in this show yet still shows up like 5 years later in Lords of the Sith.
Given how Disney has handled every Star Wars project before this I am pleasantly surprised it wasn’t tech. However after what the did to echo, I see them repeating the same story and milking it in probably 5-10 years.
One thing I really want to know is what’s point of having scorch in this show? If he was there where’s the rest of delta squad? He’s literally there for no reason other than to show that he’s around
“Hey guys it’s that one thing you love from the EU! See we know what you want,” while destroying what we love at the same time. The humiliation ritual continues
They needed someone to say "yes sir!" To all the orders given who could be a threat. He's the same functionally as that clone with the gold mask from ahsoka. Who doesn't thraen have, you know, an officer who's he's trained do these things? Bc the audience doesn't care about officers, they don't feel like a threat, so you have to make them a trooper no matter how stupid it is.
I think the thing that angered me the most is we get absolutely no reason why Omega exists in the first place. Why did Kamino authorize the creation of an unaltered female clone. At first I thought well obviously she's some super secret project Nala Se is keeping under wraps but if that was the case Nala Se wouldn't of requested Omega be brought back to the empire in exchange for working on Project N. Okay so let me further get mad about this at the end of Season 2 Emerie tells Omega she's her sister. When this bombshell is dropped I assumed Emerie was another female unaltered clone (We never find out if she's altered or unaltered) and in the third season her being a clone absolutely does not affect the story in any way whatsoever. She could be a completely normal person and the plot would be the exact same. She was on this super secret clearly doing things of a morally dubious nature for about 10 years but as soon as kids are involved she goes immediate turncoat. They weren't even harming the kids just collecting blood samples. So lets circle back Omega is supposedly this super important clone that Nala Se created prior to the rise of the Empire and its implied Project N was going on during the Clone Wars given the infrastructure of Tantiss and Omega was for some reason created by one of the most important people to the project but was never handed over to the project despite the fact Nala Se didn't seem to have a problem with the project until the rise of the empire. So to wrap this all up my question again is why does Omega, an unaltered female clone exist in the first place and what exactly makes her special that the millions upon millions of other clones don't have since they ostensibly share the exact same DNA. The show strongly implies at the very last episode Nala Se had knowledge of how to make force sensitive clones and if thats the case why did she make Omega if she had no intention of handing her over to the Project. Great video as always Sheev
>Unaltered clone >Genderbended Jango Fett >UNALTERED How tf does does that make any sense? One of the personal problems I have with BB is the destruction of Kamino. It is a really impactful moment at the finale of season 1 but the more you think about it the more questions it brings up Why destroy Kamino? Why waste millions of credits in advanced installations that could be of use to the empire (specially project necromancer)? Why doesn't the Empire keep the planet hostage like they did in Legends if they don't want Kaminoan technology to get in the wrong hands? The empire (writers) as a whole doesn't understand the actual value of standard Clone Troopers, they have the best training in the galaxy, actual combat experience, are extremely loyal, they're adoctrinated since childhood to obey. Why kick them away from serving instead of actually exploiting them while they still can. A single standard Clone Trooper is worth thousands of credits. Also Clone Troopers totally disappear by season 3 despite being like 2 years at best after the end of the Clone Wars. How does that make any sense?
@omarrojo9484 Unaltered is the term used by the Kaminoans in Episode 2 to refer to a clone that does have accelerated aging. I.e Boba Fett. Also yes I feel the destruction of Kamino was also pointless. The Stormtrooper program should have came about after the galaxy saw that Clones were not fit to be an effective peacekeeping force.
It's still dumb and I doubt any alphabetard knows this since they hate accurate and factual genetic information but technically a female Jango would be unaltered if it ages normally since we all start as female in the womb.
In fact, I was surprised by how unemotional the ending of the "Bad Batch" was for me. And in addition to the arguments mentioned above in the video, I want to add my own - they told too much and not to the point. One of those things that allowed the season 2 finale of the TV series "to take a shot" is "a leap into the unknown." The heroes knew their goal and where it would go, but NOTHING MORE. Because of this, it is interesting for the viewer to watch how they try to improvise and come up with new action plans. There are new characters, new obstacles, new plot repetitions. After all, it's an intrigue! In season 3 of "Bad Batch", almost half of the season is preparation for the finale. Moreover, it would be fine if the goals and motives of the characters were set for us during all these episodes. No! They just show us the ala: "Look, it's a Zillo Beast! Guess what the heroes will do to him!" Or "Oh, look - the female clone suddenly became kind, although all these years she quietly endured torture and experiments on other clones. You'll never guess what she'll do to Omega!" And there were so many of these winks that in the end you just make up a picture of the finale yourself, which in 80% of cases coincides with the real one. The only new denominator in this equation is a squad of assassin clones, but as they were beautifully stated, they were also beautifully killed, without revealing what the story between them and Crosshair was.
Yeah really, what was even the point of those discount Knights of Ren clone assassins and having a connection to Crosshair if they were never going to show us what that connection even is other than to add the illusion of depth for the big boss battle? I was at least expecting some lame shit like Cody or some half-alive cyborg Tech was going to be revealed to be one of them, or at the very least it was revealed they trained or fought together at some point. But they're just a nothing burger. Like obviously they're the 2.0 version of what they originally did to Crosshair in the first episode and the "evil, dark mirror" versions of the Dad Batch, but those surface-level observations are literally all you get.
The people who worked on the show did show passion, such as the animation department. This show is freaking beautiful, there’s still mistakes in the animation, but you have to give credit to where credit is due, the animators really had their heart and soul out for this one
If I had to guess, the shut down of Lucasfilm/ILM's animation studio in Singapore that handled The Clone Wars and Bad Batch could be a major part to the pacing issues of this series. It does genuinely feel like they've compressed 2-3 seasons down into a dozen 20 minute long episodes, cutting plot points and ideas short and leaving with a wet fart of an ending in order to just be done with it. The Clone Rebellion, Shadow Assassins, Cody's desertion, crosshair's hand thing, Ventress' underwhelming cameo, even wrecker being critically injured in the finale semi suggesting he might die. All of these either got resolved within the span of minutes or just entirely forgotten.
Something that always bothered me about this series was just how quickly they had the Republic become the evil Empire. It was very much a "We are now called the Empire, and we're here to kick your puppies just to show that we are now evil." situation. If they put some effort into showing that behind the scenes the Republic was already doing the dodgy, borderline evil stuff that we attribute to the Empire and that was slowly coming more to the forefront, it would've been a better transition.
What bothers me even more is how the Empire is not shown to be truly competent and terrifying even once. It's so bad that you have to wonder how they even came to so much power
@@Dr.LeymenThis is and has been a constant problem with SW for the better part of a decade and a half by now, unfortunately; and it isn't just the Empire. Star Wars, as a whole, disregarding a few pieces of media, has had a villain/antagonist problem for a long time now. The various creative's for the franchise just seem to adamantly, ardently refuse to consistently make competent or geniunely compelling antagonists, whether that be cannon fodder or otherwise, and instead just tend to fall back upon relying legacy/old characters (classic being Vader, obviously), who even then they struggle to write as such (usually due to broader issues with the media itself).
what bothers me more is people never living under regime change fantasizing about regime change true picture. im sorry bro, u may be smarter than lot of politicians and generals and that is the deal. u can look at russian invasion of ukraine and point your finger at the screen saying auuum thats unrealistic...why would they do that...um dont they have drones why they defusing mine fiends with their squads thats unreasonable... ummm would not it be wiser to ehhh....Real life politics have less cognitive content and more of 'i need to do it fast before i change my mind thing' that is exactly what moving plot of the sw forward all the time
@@papapalps2415 i know, it's always bothered me but it is especially bad and noticeable because the Empire, at this point in time, is supposed to be at their peak or at the very least very strong and capable. But here they are, not being able to do anything against a few rogue clones, their elite (clone commandos) being cannon fodder, their top secret, high security, bases getting infiltrated, and in the case of tantis, destroyed, and a literal child being able to escape Tantis not just once but twice without a problem, etc..
These people lobotomized Scorch, took him away from his squad, made him the henchman of the villain-of-the-week and then they killed him. This was the last straw, for me. Edit: To clarify, I'm not mad that he's Imperial, Delta Squad would 100% be Imperial Commandos, as was planned. But this outcome? Nope.
Insane that the only clone character Filoni didn’t initially write stayed with the empire and died. Cody, Rex, Wolffe, Gregor, the Bad Batch, and Howzer all got to be good guys, but a legends character? Death and loyalty to a fascist empire. We all know Filoni is obsessed with the preservation of his own characters. But tearing down other people’s characters? That’s a new low.
@@jonathanmaves3360 Delta were planned to be Imperials, it makes sense to me. The sequel would have been amazing from that perspective. This show, however? Not the way to do it, and it's just disrespectful.
@@Sangth123 I didn’t know they joined the Empire, just looked into that. That part tracks then. But killing someone else’s character like that? Separating them from their squad nonsensically? Ridiculous.
@@jonathanmaves3360Generally agree but Cody is Lucas's character. It's weird he also strips all the personality out of the clones from the Kanan comic just for the sake of having the Bad Batch meet a Rebels character.
It was weird seeing wrecker live. Like it really felt like he was dying and then just bam he’s okay. Like he hasn’t had anything since s1 and he’s just used less and less. It was getting funny how much they would say “wrecker u stay here”. Like did they forget he’s a character lmao.
Post Revenge of the Sith era is such an interesting era to tackle because your seeing the swift transition of a republic to an empire. And there's tons of stories to focus on in seeing how that change effects the galaxy and how does everyone respond to it. Making "Diet Coke A-Team" wasn't really the best choice of stories to focus on.
Wish they had done a “Dark Times” anthology. It felt like they wanted to do something like that - at times- but having the Bad Batch needed in every storyline just lessens that.. The Ryloth episodes are a prime example there
We already have the 2017 Darth Vader-Comics, Ahsoka (the novel, not the show), Inquisitor: Rise of the Red Blade, Catalyst: A Rogue One Novel and more recently Tales of the Empire. I am personally not starving for content in that timeframe. Also The Bad Batch, did cover how the swift transition of the Republic to an Empire effected the galaxy.
This show is the perfect definition of saying a whole lot of nothing. It'll introduce numerous side plots and plot elements but in the end it is either undercooked or forgotten about entirely. It feels like Rebels but somehow even worse because at least Rebels used many of its own filler episodes to serve its finale.
I’d say the difference is that rebels had plot episodes with filler in between. Whereas bad batch felt like it was entirely filler and the same plot over and over again. I’ve heard people argue that that was good writing, “because it created the sense of impending doom and showed how hopeless the bad batch’s situation was”. However it just comes across as lazy and unoriginal after seeing the same plot repeated every 5 episodes throughout the same show. It was just- bad batch running, someone gets captured, rescue, repeat. And that’s the entire show.
the thing that pisses me off the most is Scorch. a beloved character from a beloved team of characters from a beloved game that was axed from the canon, whos only existence is canonised by a dialogue-less tiny scene in one episode of Clone Wars, is used as eye candy and then offhandedly killed without effort. i was fucking HYPED when i saw Scorch in the first season. "this is perfect, the batch can go against delta squad as their rivals. oh shit, delta lost sev just how batch lost tech. without crosshair, this is how they even the score to go against each other. 3v3. perfect. oh... oh scorch is just doing nothing. oh... oh hes dead. ok. fuck you then." what was the point? literally just bait. and its not like its a potential money grabbing spin-off, hes just dead.
I honestly would have preferred them just not including him in the finale if it meant disappointing a lot of fans but eventually letting his story play out, rather than taking the easy way and having him be killed in such a pathethic manner.
It’s because Filoni cannot fathom the idea of SW characters that he didn’t create being beloved or enjoyed by fans. He’d remake ROTJ to replace Luke with Ahsoka if he could.
Also, I think leaving multiple plot threads unresolved is by design rather than incompetence. Each and every unresolved plot element can be utilized as a hook for future projects. Who's to say we won't get a new show about the clone network? A tie-in novel about Crosshair's job struggles? A limited comic series about Ventress's further advntures? Disney doesn't do self contained stories anymore, it's a gigantic web of content and you have to consume _everything_ if you want to follow along.
This is the sort of thing that really reinforces what I've been saying all along: the Bad Batch are just dollar store Delta Squad, and I'm tired of pretending they aren't.
@@diamondheadify-v5i I did, I was just referencing that one line from the Joker movie. It's meant to mean 'I'm tired of everyone else pretending they aren't.'
It doesn't help that this show had a lot of loose ends: Cody going AWOL, Lama Su NOT getting executed, Ventress, ES-02, Omega implying to be force sensitive, Rex building his Clone network, etc.
I think omega has the same m count as jango, and she was significant because other jango clones had lower m counts compared to jango. So she’s not really force sensitive to any significant degree, as we saw with the ventress episode.
This show basically suffers from the same problem Clone Wars suffered from. In that show the biggest example was rise of the empire wasn't addressed until the end of the 5th season. This show has so much things happening off screen such as the clones being replaced, the stormtroopers being recruited, the transition from Republic to Empire, Rebel groups starting up, and so much more are ignored for side quests with the TMNT if they didn't develop beyond their character traits.
A problem I have with the Prequels is the same problem I have with this show and parts of the Clone Wars and I think Linkara does a great job at talking about this in this review of the official comic adaptations of the prequels and that's "We don't see how freedoms being taken away, how this is becoming a totalitarian state, we are told is it becoming one by the Chancellor getting 'new powers' but what new powers, what new authority is he exercising, are we seeing Clone troopers on every street corner, do we see regular citizens getting harassed for no reason, do we see a conflict between The Jedi and said troopers that would lead to growing mistrust, are the younglings being taken from the Jedi and put in cages and tortured forced to accept Sith doctrine, corrupt businessmen and military officials getting kickbacks and benefits from the oligarchy, aliens getting less rights and bigoted chanting over not enough humans in possessions of power. No, we are told that the chancellor having 'more power' is bad and that's it, why is living under the Empire a bad thing, why are they so quick to accept the Jedi are bad guys. People keep telling me in spin-off media the public was growing distrustful of the Jedi but we never see anyone in the films like that, we just have to take their word for it that things are getting worse all the time, that the war I causing so much pain and problems, that the senate is gleefully handing more power to the chancellor to try and bring things to a swifter end, yet even the kidnapping of the chancellor is not shown in the film itself, the enemy forces penetrating what should be the most heavily fortified position in the Republic, the seat of power itself, and we only see things directly form on high, was there any devastation wrought upon Coruscant in this attack, damned if I know we never see anything like that, business as usual form outside everyone's giant windows, even the Tartakovsky Clone Wars which actually showed the kidnapping of Palpatine, lacked any civilian presence during the attack, you'd think it was one big model city with automated trains as the only indication there might be any other life on this planet."
I cant believe that they wasted 3 seasons on side quests and filler and not once delved into the politics of recruiting stormtroopers, something I was very interested in. Heck they barely touch on any of the actual interesting things about this era in Star Wars like you point out.
I felt like the transition from Republic to Empire felt too quick tbh, especially how long the series takes place tbh, they need to explain why's this and such, maybe say that this transition was happening way before the fall of the Jedi and the Republic, so yeah
I’m genuinely surprised at their restraint in keeping Tech dead. I fully expected him to come back, not because I cared in the slightest about him or anything, but because it was the cheapest and laziest way to write a show which is what TBB has been from the start, lazy predictable writing. There’s also Dave Filoni and Disney SW as a whole being deathly allergic to having stakes and lasting consequences
100% facts nobody talks about Hunters lack of development. In season 3 he should have never trusted Crosshair until the very end when Crosshair was going to sacrifice himself. Which he should have been allowed to do that.
Crosshair dying while taking out Hemlock would have been perfect. Have Crosshair go out ensuring his family will never be found by the Empire. I would of even taken a “character doesn’t realize their shot till the adrenaline wears off” moment
The Bad Batch is the kind of thing Aldous Huxley warned us about when he talked about the "Feelies". Light and sound, signifying nothing. There is no story, there are no characters, there is no theme, just raw naked vacuous consumerist slop.
This finale was by all means not a clone rebellion, simply a prison break. Not unless they do another follow up show which I doubt. The Batch needed to be nerfed otherwise they would've blown through Tantiss and the clone assassins. Hunter needed to be hit by shuttle fire, Wrecker needed to be wounded by the bear, Crosshair been nerfed since he came back otherwise, he would have been no-scoping this entire season and everyone would have died the minute they showed their face. Had the show been focused on a military theme, the premise of the first episode "aftermath" was the best way to do season 1. Have the bad batch slowly begin to disassociate from the Empire over the course of the season by continuously questioning their orders, do worldbuilding for the clones and the state of the galaxy with the Batch serving as a frontline proxy for the audience so as to not diverge from the plot with filler, being sent to put down Inserections, aid in planetary civil wars for planets not entirely willing to join the empire, establishing further on their relationship with other clones/imperial leadership, establish clone deserter and jedi survivor contacts. Also establish the group dynamic between the 5 more thoroughly so that way when(or if) Crosshair defects to the empire its more impactful. Unfortunately, most of the time they act like coworkers that don't have much to say to each other than what's in relation to the plot or for the sake of Omega. Since the group are super soldiers, they then should be able to tackle most problems head on while setting the groundwork for a clone rebellion becoming its spearhead in later seasons. Large scale engagements with the Empire, allying with former separatists and working to bypass programmed grudges like they sort of did with Echo in "Common Ground" pitting brother against brother, being an actual threat to a newly formed Empire, with an overall theme of loyalty and brotherhood. But we got Cid missions and the occasional Rex espionage and Crosshair committing the weekly Wednesday war crimes. An elite squad turned up to 11 as seen in their CW original arc who were far more capable there than in this show. Hunter for one does not seem like the same character and is watered down and unchanging. Echo was really the only one who got development after crosshair through the bare minimum of lines and what little focus they decided to give to him. In "Cut and Run" he fully realizes that he is now a deserter in a small exchange with Tech and it does not sit well with him due to his facial expressions. In "Reunion" Echo makes a point at least twice that they are ultimately soldiers, not arms smugglers/mercenaries. In 'War Mantle" Echo is shown to still be very loyal to Rex and pushes the point to save Gregor like the Batch did for him. He is loyal to his clone brothers as a whole. In the season 2 premiere, Echo now pushes that they should be doing more, such as fighting the Empire. He's never liked doing the Cid missions which is why he leaves the Batch and joins Rex to save the Clones in the middle of season 2. That and he trains Omega to be a soldier. Really after he leaves the batch, his character development stops as he's now where he feels he needs to be. That can be watched in probably less than 6 mins of screentime and that's being generous. The interviews they did with creatives Brad and Jennifer on the Star wars website have some interesting insights such as omegas inclusion. I paraphrase slightly here from Jennifers pov. "How do you challenge a super soldier & what can you throw at them that’s something that they’re not equipped to deal with? That’s how the idea of Omega came to be. Soldiers can figure things out, but what they’ve never had to deal with is a young kid. And that completely changes how they relate to one another and changes their perspective on the galaxy. They can be dropped into a Separatist battlefront and they’re going to be fine no matter what. But having to be guardians and be responsible for the upbringing and rearing of a child is something totally different." So you handle super soldiers to become an animated rip off of the mandalorian who meander around for 3 seasons and then retire. And then Scorch is wasted as meaningless fan service and a detriment to Delta squads legacy. So waste of a huge potential premise that could have been meaningful rather than padded content.
what you said seems detailed and smart at first, but in reality is a personal wishes rant like most of sheevs video again. Im so tired of people not writting shows talking about how shows should be written and its always the same rant - HE DOESNT HAVE A CHARACTER ARC lol i swear internet made every person who watch movies talk about damn character arcs same way that soccer made every couch potato with a bag of chips into a soccer trainer and a strategist. POINT BEING Not every character needs to go through the same basic cinderella ass character arc in every damn show. Life doesnt work that way, it never did. When was the last time you met someone who was for example greedy and selfish and through 3-4 months he learned his lesson and became a selfless person. When was the last time you met someone who was insecure and through a short period overcame an obsticle and became more self confident. Its a basic A-to-B aproach that makes youtubers like mauler and critical drinker think they know about movies more than scorsese and riddley i swear to god. That bad batch DOES lack character moments and the whole plot couldve been done 10x better, BUT NOT by giving every clone a damn A-to-B arc. Would you have been more happier if for example Wrecker got over his fear of heights in the last episode LOL... stuff like that would have youtubers making videos using the words 'set-up' and 'pay-off' like theyre scientists talking about nuclear physics. What the bad batch needed was just MORE cool action scenes with the batch .. MORE hunter... MORE echo.. it doesnt matter that echos arc was completed, it was still entertaining to watch him infiltrate the base and thats what we needed more off.. he is a DEVELOPED character, he doesnt need to go through an arc he already went through hell and back, that doesnt mean he needs to be basicly kicked off the show bcuz they dont know what to do with him.. we just needed more of the bad batch doing cool things and less omega... we needed more special ops missions with all of them together and less separation of the damn team. Throughout the whole show we watch 4/6 ppl out of the team being separated and trying to get to the missing member and once they find the missing member , ANOTHER member gets captured or something lol . And also no, their OPness shouldnt have been a problem because its STAR WARS, theres always a bigger fish, always a larger enemy number, always a larger vehicle to destroy.. The batch didnt have to be nerfed through the whole damn show basicly lol , always having someone captured or incapacitated or morally doupting himself and what not .. The era of the first 5 years of the empire is so interesting to me, i think its even the best era at the moment because it hasnt been touched before and it shouldve been explored waaay more. With a competent writter the bad batch couldve been a 6 season show with everything being so damn interesting and top notch, and ultimatively ending with a clone rebellion that ends up being tragic af with the empire disposing of them, the same way they disposed off the jedi, makin the circle complete
Also the biggest problem with the show for me was that it turns out the clone rebellion was like rex and his 10 guys that got killed offscreen by 1 guy... and that it turns out 'the clone brothers being experimented on' was like 13 guys out of which they saved 4-5 or whatever is the number of ppl that fit in that 1 shuttle... and they made it to pabu fruit stands and we are supposed to accept that as being the conclusion to the whole story of the clone army.. the grand army of the republic ... millions of clones.. lol.. that 1 trooper in the kenobi series is supposed to satisfy our needs and answer the question 'what happened with the clones' ... smh
@@boletop6204 What is there to this show other than filler entertainment for at least half of its episodes? And this is all fabricated storytelling. Of course it does not follow real world conclusions or time progressions as people don't change over a week or never change at all but that wouldn't sell as entertainment now would it? And that's exactly what this show is supposed to be. Fictional entertainment first and foremost with its job being to entertain and if you're doing your job right as a writer, keeping the viewer engaged and immersed into the story and its characters so that they stick around to bring in viewership to make money. Comparing that to real life as a format for storytelling is a nonsensical argument. For a show called the Bad Batch, their main focus is Omega. Even quoted directly from the creatives that raising a kid was driving point of Omegas existence and to give the Bad Batch something to do essentially because they were too focused on giving OP characters a challenge than actually developing them beyond 1 note tropes. They don't actually have many moments where you notice they actually get along. Most of their dialogue is about the plot or omega. Tell that solution about their OPness to the creatives as that was a quote from them. I actually listed worldbuilding events in a broad outline that would complement and make the most sense to build upon their already established roles as SOLDIERS. This is Star WARS after all. What else could they do in this story other than fight? But according to the creatives, raising a kid so, done apparently. Yet you talk about having a wishlist and then list your own wishes and speculational events as to what the show could have been. Hypocritical much?
@@Cogz I wasnt talking about having a wishlist i was talking about wishing that all characters have a character arc when in fact they dont need it, wrecker and echo dont need it, they just needed good dialogue/action and more screentime and thats it. I mentioned real life only to further argument why not having a basic arc isnt the problem. People always go in circles, CHARACTERS in movies/cartoons go in circles. Thats not the problem. The problem is the other thing you said - the lonely gunman / innocent child recipe being 99percent of the show
So how about that clone assassin? You know, the scary black ops lone operative that covertly took down an entire base of trained, experienced soldiers by himself? What a load of nothing he was. I figured personally that he was a perfect replication of crosshair that they created (or even mass produced) secretly prior to sinking Tipoca city. That maybe he would be unmasked during a tussle and would provide a solid motivation for Crosshair's character arc, further showing how replacable he was to the Empire in the most literal sense, make him regret not realizing this sooner, and acting as a catalyst for not laying down and giving up like he planned, knowing the Empire will do the same to Omega if they succeed. Maybe further the juxtaposition by demonstrating how CX-2's (that's his name apparently) shooting hand still works fine, compared to Crosshair's nerve-damaged hand. So what happened? He captures Omega without incident and returns to Tantiss, where we later find out he's part of a super-secret-Super-Sentai-style clone team or something. After easily dispatching the Bad Batch, they all unceremoniously die within 5 or so minutes and we never find out who they are. They _COULD_ be copies of the batchers like I said, but we'll never know because the show is over and they all died anyway. Neat. Also we know it's the finale because this episode, there's *TWO* blaster-proof giant monsters.
I thought they were going to turn out to be tech Clones. Empire found his body and ran some experiments. Crosshair Clones would have been cool though, especially with Crosshair realising how disposable he really was as a result.
The cast of Bad Batch are some of the worst characters in the entire Star Wars franchise in my opinion. They’re so trope-y and archetypical, and though most characters are based on archetypes, the Batch themselves are so cliche and beholden to archetypes to the point where I can’t take them seriously. Like, Hunter and Wrecker are so derivative of thousands of characters before them. They’re literally just “Leader Guy” and “Big Dummy.” There’s barely anything that sets them apart from other characters with these archetypes. Hunter himself barely even has personality traits outside of stoicism. And I can’t stand Wrecker’s voice despite how talented Dee Bradley Baker is. Not to mention Omega is a liability. She’s good at gambling and using that stupid-looking laser bow, but her primary role is to be captured and for that to act as a source of conflict. Oh, and it doesn’t matter how beloved Tech is; I’m glad he’s gone. Even with his development, he’s still a walking nerd emoji. He’s a human calculator. He’s Urkel. He’s every cliche you associate with a “smart guy” character and then some. And as an autistic person myself, I RESENT the assertion that Tech is autistic because I’d rather be seen as a complex individual than a nerd emoji. There are some other characters in this show I hate as well. Like, I get that I’m SUPPOSED to hate Cid, and I do, but what I *really* hate is how she sends the Batch on pointless side quest filler episodes. It takes the Batch FOREVER to realize that she’s taking advantage of them when it’s painfully obvious. And seeing Rampart flail around and whine constantly throughout the penultimate episode genuinely gave me second hand embarrassment. There is no excuse for a grown man to act this way, especially when he was actively putting the Batch in danger. Characters are my favorite part of storytelling, so of course when this show fails so spectacularly with them, I’m not gonna care for much else.
In universe it makes sense why they are the best at being the type of character that they are. However, the clone wars goes out of its way to characterize the clones as individuals with deep personalities and the ability to be different. These characters were not different at all, it’s exactly like you said- that they’re just the leader guy or the dumb brute or the genius. And that’s all they are, they have no complexity. The whole point of the bad batch is that they’re supposed to be the most different clones of all, but because of lazy writing we got super surface level characters. It feels like children could’ve written a more compelling story. And it’s not just the bad batch that’s treats the story like this, just about every Disney project has been a steaming pile of garbage.
This did a way better job of summarizing my gripes with the show than I ever could. I liked some of the characters, but looking back that was more because I liked their archetype and design (which is still an extension of their archetype) rather than anything that built on their basic concept. The whole plot’s kinda done only in broad strokes really
There is literally no conclusion for the clones as a whole and as individuals No more of Rex No more of Wolffe No more of Cody specifically No more of Gregor No clone rebellion And this isn't me wanting to pointing at the screen because (insert the RLM segment here) but because they started those character arcs and plot points, but never touch of them again Never explore how they feel as characters that have been as long as season 1, and Cody as far as episode 3 We never explore anything interesting for this setting We don't get an confrontation between the clones and ventress No exploration of the separatists and republicans in how they feel about all of this new empire thing No exploration on how the clones feels about all of this Again Only on technical levels they explore this But is like 1% of the show and 80% of it is just the bad batch jerking off in adventures like an kids show, as an sequel to the clone wars, the show that cancelled all but one of the Bad Batch's arcs Trully just disappointment
turns out the clone rebellion was rex and his 10 guys that got killed by 1 guy off screen, also it turns out 'the clone brothers being experimented on' was like 13 guys out of which they saved 4-5 and they made it to pabu fruit stands and we are supposed to accept that as being the conclusion to the story of the clone army lol
Honestly Hunter just wanting to retire after a long intergalactic war, the entire thing with crossair and later the empire hunting them down multiple times, finally getting a chance to raise his daughter on a peaceful world out of the empires sights makes a lot of sense. That being said, I dont doubt that they might have assisted rex and his clone underground a few times or that crossair or wrecker might have joined some other group at later along the line. We will see how it goes but I would not be too sad to have seen these characters for the last time, they had a nice sendoff.
Listening to people that like this show made me realize what kind of people made this show and their audience. This show was made by fanfic authors for fanfic authors. You see, most people writing fanfiction are the kind of people who just like characters regardless of story and everything else and they would write their fanfictions about their favorite characters just dicking around with a vague semblance of a plot. This is how I feel about this show. It's more like a fanfiction about the Bad Batch based solely on their appearance in S7 of TCW. It's why there's tons of side quests, it's why there's next to no story or character progression and why the characters dick around for most of the show. It feels like to fans of this show The Bad Batch is like a boy band that has really nothing to sell other than their presence.
You can tell it was entirely merchandising, just like the stupid droid from the kenobi show. It’s new clone toys to sell to kids. They tried to bait us by adding the bad batch to the last season of tcw and to get us thinking that the bad batch would be the next tcw. Sadly and predictably it was not the next tcw.
@@chasehedges6775Honestly the only way to “save” star wars is to simply stop. Just put a dead pause on EVERYTHING. All they seem to be doing is digging themselves into a deeper hole and no matter what attempts they make to do almost anything with the franchise it just gets worse. Just stop.
This show has proven to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that Star Wars fans have been trained to accept and laud mediocrity. I swear half the fan base was trying to paint the shows lack of central focus as as deep and nuanced. The second half adjusted their expectations in real time to align with the first half. I’m feeling a pattern here of shows within the Star Wars IP that exists solely to cover inadequacies in the movies. Moreover once that has been completed they abruptly end.
They also confuse "nothing happening" with "character development"... I mean, i watched the show and it was not terrible, I still take it over something like BobF. But it was really not all that good.
That's basically what they are. And this show basically had a fanfiction ending - all the author's (Filoni's) OCs got away to live happily ever after, and and all the established characters (Nala Se, Scorch) die.
@@kade-qt1zu Except Delta were default RCs, we never saw their faces and they only had like 10 voicelines each, and they still managed to have more character than half of the BB.
The show had potential. The music, and animation are good. It's predictable, side quest here's another godzilla like monster. Could've been a suicide squad type show. Anytime you see a character like a republic commando in a Disney star wars,they're just dumbed down because they're there for the nostalgia. The filler episodes are godawful,filoni is a hack who's this mysterious figure? Just a pile of dust, because it's just to add speculation and theory's to a mystery box...
I loved season 3 but I feel the main problem with Filoni is that he can’t end anything unless it already had an ending like The Clone Wars. ALL of Filoni’s shows (except for The Clone Wars) end with a cliffhanger because the way he writes is that he wants to leave things open in case he plans to revisit them later which is just not how you write a show in my opinion. Writing is an art form and Filoni is purposely making unfinished art because he can’t let go of these characters, creating massive holes in the middle of the canvas and leaving the viewer feeling empty at the end of it all because of the lack of ending. The Bad Batch in my opinion is the best Star Wars show we’ve been given these past couple years (excluding Andor), I genuinely love the characters and their relationship to one another, I actually really like when episode stories aren’t involving big stake operations against the empire, and I really liked most of the show. It’s just the ending that leaves a bitter taste in my mouth because there was no actual ending for any of the characters.
At least the ending didn’t leave a bitter taste in my mouth it’s just bland, I’m just glad it’s over. Also respect for keeping tech dead Nice cotton candy analogy
I actually enjoyed the show while it was airing, and it’s the finale that left a bad taste in my mouth. Scorch dying (everything they did with Scorch and the commandos), Rampart having a cheap death instead of being interesting in a future show, and never addressing the actual depth of Crosshair’s trauma, just cutting off his hand so it’s not a problem anymore. After the finale it was like my eyes opened and I could see all the flaws that the rest of the show had. It’s an okay show now as long as I don’t think about it.
You’re 100% right about the side quests thing. It was just a nonstop slew of “find this thing to talk to this person to find this place” or “I won’t help you until you help me.” Plus a monster thrown in every other episode just for good measure. It got *really* tiring to watch.
The best thing to come out of this show is that I made some pretty great memories with my mom riffing on it before I head off to college. That being said, the music fucking slaps too.
Meh, I don't even think I remember a single track in this show besides the main theme and Omega's, and that's mainly because they shove them down our ears at every opportunity.
If they actually gave Tech a proper goodbye at the beginning of the season I would have been heartbroken but at least I had some closure, but no. They clearly set up this New Super Villain with the intent of revealing him as Tech to set a season 4 that was never greenlit: they gave him a lot of useless screentime, covered his face and voice and even interact with some relevant character for Tech like Phee. Also why in the world would Hemlock simply state that Tech died and gave his glasses to the Bad Batch if not for them not looking for him? And in the end it turned out the assassin was a random dude being there for no tematic reason nor plot development. At that point would have been so much better if that role was given to Wolffe or to some other reg who'd have seen the light in the end, but they had to glue to the screen people like me who were there basically for Tech and the hope that they would be either reunited or die all together, like a proper squad. Hell, the last episode is literally called like the first thing Wrecker ever said on screen. I think that this useless baiting is what really embittered me, beside the general wasted potential of the narration and I don't think I will give this franchise another chance after yet another missed shot
It’s so weird to me how Rebels spent an entire episode mourning the lost of Kanan while TBB hardly brought up Tech aside from some occasional mentions. That was honestly one of the reasons I thought fans wanted him brought back.
He says he doesn't really go off of Legends, and focuses on how the series works in tandem with itself and the larger universe. If Disney retconned something, even that was great storytelling and great potential, they have the rights to replace it and no necessity to go with the EU lore. Besides, the channel proves wonderfully that even without the EU as a metric there are problems with characters. It's not just the characters are worse than their EU counterparts or nerfed - they're just absolutely bad in themselves or just eyecandy
This entire show just feels AI generated. The characters were dull, so many concepts set up for what I can only assume was UA-cam theory hype, and that finale was the biggest nothing burger I've ever seen.
If this show, or for that matter any of the Disney Star Wars shows that people defend, was any good why won’t you have any desire to rewatch or even remember it a year from now. If it was so good you’d rewatch it. But you won’t . Because you know it’s not, even if it’s hard to admit it, or you want it to be good so badly that you tell yourself it is. You can tell me I’m wrong, but I guarantee you will never have the urge to rewatch it.
Finally i've found a video that doesn't say the finale was a masterpiece and actually lists it's issues as issues and not nitpicks, i really liked this show, i saw it's problems, but i still enjoyed watching it, i enjoyed the first two seasons, the first half of the third one too, but man, i despise the finale, it doesn't resolve anything, it doesn't do anything with the characters, and for some reason, people just absolutely praise it when it's clearly a bad finale. And the time jump at the end was just added salt to injury
@@ondrejmaceska6196 Most of the plot points are either just ended very abruptly or aren't brought up at all, such as the Rex plot point, or what happened to Crosshair that he got ptsd (as in, we never saw anything that remotely showed what Hemlocks training looked like), the story of Sid is also just gone, she just dissapeared, Gregor, Wolfe, Howzer, Cody and much more. The finale really didn't feel like a finale, it felt like they just rushed the episode to end the series
@@Kafelel Rex was brought up, they just decided to use the opening Omega them with Zillo beast instead of wasting the opportunity. However they will for sure appear in a spinoff about the clone rebellion along the other clones you've mentioned. This just wasn't that story, even though the show may have done some things to indicate it is. Regarding Cid, how should she have appeared and in what context? To be hunted down by BB for revenge?
@@ondrejmaceska6196 I actually agree with Cid being out of context actually, but i wish they did something with her, and yeah they'll probably offer a new show which im looking foward to, i just wish the ending had atleast dealt with some of the plot points
Tbh, Crosshair saying "i wanted to be a good soldier" should be horrifying and should he a sign of how messed up Crosshairs mind was tampered with. Everyone keeps saying that Crosshair made the choice to stay with the chip out and that, as well as alsp showing why the Batch gave up on him. But thats not Crosshairs fault. Its clear that having his chip turned up to the max has left a permanent scar on his mental faculties. He should be seen like Bucky is. A traumatised soldier who had their mind messed with immensely. But this show, because it forgets its own characters history, decided that Crosshair only wanted to be a good soldier. So it alleviates the Batch for abandoning their brother ro their former slavers.
Also, the treatment of Tarkin as a character and imperials in general was terrible. Tarkin shouldn't even be involved in this show at all. And then people started to say how much the writers 'respect the lore' when Hemlock refused to tell Tarkin about Tantiss. No, that wasn't impressive, the writers were fairly obviously building up to Tarkin being jealous and then sabotaging Necromancer at the end, because Tarkin has become a completely stale character. Even if I was to pretend the Tarkin novel doesn't exist, Tarkin has the equivalent rank of a sector governor at this time, and at the start of the show he was just an admiral, so he wasn't particularly important at all and certainly doesn't have the authority to be messing with Imperial Science Corps projects when he is not in the same branch as them. The writers evidently don't understand very basic concepts like a military having different branches, which even SW Rebels seems to done better. We see these new 'TK troopers' acting as standard patrols across the galaxy, which admittedly Rebels did first, but TBB now has TK troopers flying V wings. Where the heck is the Imperial Navy? Do regular pilots not exist, or are the animators too lazy to make a new model for non-clone pilots? Heck, why is everyone in the Empire already a non-clone? Sure, we know *how* it happened, but the show never actually gave a coherent reason for clones to be replaced. Clones are too expensive now? Cool, make them an elite unit separate from regular soldiers called.... hmmm... I dunno... stormtroopers? Clones are becoming less effective/not combat ready due to advanced ageing? Cool, they can voluntarily retire or become stormtrooper officers/trainers and train their successors. Because that is what the lore used to be like and should be surrounding the stormtrooper corps. But instead, the writers not only have clones almost completely gone (unless they want a token 'good' Imperial character like Dr. Karr or one that is slightly less incompetent than regular bad guys like the commandos or the CX agents) but also have stormtroopers that act not only as standard rifled infantrymen but also as standard patrol fighter pilots. This all makes sense, doesn't it?
As much as the show has been "meh" overall props to the writers for sticking with their guns and not bringing Tech back since it is a Star Wars production after 2020 and character deaths last as long as the writers' short term memory, then they just forget the character was fucking killed in the first place and revive them. Also loved the Senate episodes in season 2, especially episode 8. A shame they didnt have more memorable moments and peaks with 3 whole seasons but its still better than nothing
What I hate the most is that he retconned Dark Disciple Ventress death just for one episode where it was hinted that Omega might have some force connection that ended up being worth nothing. He said they'd explain how it fits in with Dark Disciple and didn't do jackshit lmfaoo. Also, him making that decision just stomped all over yet another book with another story, however criticized, had a better nuance than the show. He undid Ventress's intended character arc just so she lived on for one episode of the Bad Batch, stomping over the author's work and the ideas for a motif bait that ended up worth nothing.
The Bad Batch should have focused on the clone rebellion, with actual hit-and-run missions against the Empire, giving the Rebel factions the time and training they needed to fight against the Empire before the formation of the Rebel Alliance. It could have given a story of how the Sith creating the clones was a double-edged sword as it did give them victory with Order 66 but the Jedi still inspired many of the clones to have an open mind, think, and understand what is worth fighting for.
100% spot on. The Bad Batch is the A-Team just for Star Wars. And without the cool-factor because it's not 80ies, so... yeah. Pretty mediocre what they did with the material.
They absolutely had that dumbass hand block bs cause they knew he was too op to be a main protagonist on this show. Also screw them for what they did to Scorch. I've heard defenders of this show give stupid ass arguments to how he was handled, from "Oh he chose his side" (Which if we're going with the established rules in canon he has a chip and Hemlock has a goddamn brainwash machine in his base) and "It's your fault since you were excited when he showed up in season 1 so they included him again" See you for Tales of the Empire's mediocrity. I'm excited simply for the fact I get to see Grievous, Thrawn, GI, and Vader in tcw s7 animation either for the first time or again, but it will probably be shit but I just don't care since that won't have any lasting impact on the star wars story and everyone will forget about it after a week.
The main problem was that they didn't understand or care about Scorch at all, they just wanted member berries and thought fans would enjoy seeing him despite his role making absolutely zero sense for his character. Like this isn't Scorch, they don't even say his name, they just gave his armor to some generic nobody clone. If anybody at least pretended to give a shit it would've been someone like Boss instead, with Scorch and Fixer being the other two commandos that follow him around. Like come on, despite that apparently the Bad Batch was inspired by Republic Commando, they obviously don't care about that game or Delta Squad at all. Otherwise they would have at least been the big boss they had to fight at the end, and not the lame ass discount Knights of Ren looking motherfuckers that did nothing the entire show. I also find it hilarious Not-Scorch gets taken out by the Bad Batch twice in the exact same way.
@@nagger8216 fans of the game need to get over the fact that it was just a cool visual reference and nothing more. No1 called him scorch in any moment and if u want to, u are free to believe it wasnt him, just some other guy in a similar armor. Regarding the shaking hand. I was sure there was a deeper story behind it because hemlock also had a fckd up hand but NO ... lol.. just a random coincidence and its all in the head lol.....
Tech's death was handled poorly even from the S2 finale. It exposed a cowardly Hunter, only motivated by Omega kidnapped for the 4th time. It exposed spineless Wrecker since he agreed to the hiding plan. It exposed the rest of the team in treating him as less than a brother or squadmate, since they kept referring him in terms of his function to the mission as a whole. Whether as the decryptor, pilot, walking encyclopedia etc. But personally, his death was the end of a character who _could_ have developed independent of Omega's orbit. The culture of Serenno, the race episode, the romantic tension with Phee. Crosshair could have had development, but that was dashed by S2 finale. In general, whatever new character traits the others may develop has always been sucked into black hole Omega's orbit, except for Tech.
Omega was always the point of the show, which is its biggest problem. It's not oriented to the bad batch, it's oriented to her. It's like how the mandalorian show just became the baby yoda show. Except this time, it's always been the baby yoda show in this case.
Remember back when the title crawl of New Hope said retrieving the Death Star plans was the first great victory of the Rebellion? Now that victory looks borderline tepid. Remember that time some random kids managed to bypass physical security measures to enter some tubes to get to a room that shouldn't have even been connected to said tubes, and then they released a monster from that room using a console that doesn't require any sort of authentication? Then that monster destroyed one of the most expensive research projects in the whole Empire? I don't even understand why they made the decision to have Project Necromancer be destroyed when we know in the canon it was completed. So they did the same experiment twice? Why would you add that kind of redundancy to your story when you could just say Project Necromancer wasn't destroyed and thereby not completely neuter the Empire years before New Hope?
Ive been complaining about this for a long time. Too many people are too quick to confuse audio/video polish for overall quality. The only metrics a lot of people seem to use to judge the media they consume is "does it look pretty" and "can it distract me for 5 minutes". Im beyond sick of a deteriorating standards people have for what they consume. Worst of all, I'm sick of them attempting to play it off as though it doesn't matter. My brother in Christ, it's your time that garbage is eating up.
It's important to remember that Disney is not a media company. They are a merchandise company and everything they do is in service to selling toys and merch. They don't give a hoot about "storytelling", they only wanna sell you neat doodads. That's all their IPs mean to them. A source of doodads.
Yeah I’m quick to point out a bunch of things I didn’t like about it but at the end of the day I still do find the show enjoyable and I watch highlights and funny moments on youtube just cuz I like em
I’m surprised by 2 things this season. 1. Omega wasn’t actually force sensitive so that seemed like something Disney Starwars would do. 2. They actually killed Tech off instead of revealing that clone assassin they put so much attention on. I kinda respect going against the wind in that respect since those are the obvious plot points.
The cotton candy analogy was actually really good. I enjoyed watching this show but it definitely felt like more of a sitcom than an evolving story, I was coming back to it just to get my portion of sw sugar, not because I was genuinely interested or compelled by it
A cool direction they could've taken Crosshair this season is one that really focused on the distrust the other members of the Batch (Hunter more specifically) should've had toward him. It would've been interesting if Crosshair failing Omega acted as something that re-opened to healing wounds between him and the Batch and the final few episodes could've focused on an internal conflict relating to that. Like imagine that final standoff with Hemlock in the finale but instead of it being Hunter, Crosshair and Omega vs. Hemlock it was almost like a three way thing with it being more Hunter vs. Crosshair vs. Hemlock with Crosshair having to prove his worth in that moment of intense stress and emotion. Obviously the season/show and the finale had many more issues that were far larger but not creating internal conflict between the Batch and Crosshair feels like a MAJOR missed opportunity.
Had only seen the first season when it first came out and forgot about it Then heard the show just ended and wondered if it was worth my time catching up 2 seasons to see what happens Glad to know it’s mediocre without wasting 2 seasons of time Thank you Sheev thank you 🤝
They definitely wanted it to be a 6 season monster of the week show like clone wars but with a tighter cast, then viewership wasn't good enough to sustain that so they had to wrap everything in one season
As someone pretty neutral on the show, all of its best moments were ones that were focused on the worldbuilding rather than the title characters. The Bad Batch have felt like edgy fan OCs since day 1, with their entire personalities visible from their designs and names, but the show did have moments of true greatness when it was showing local politics or the normal clones adapting to the empire
I feel like the entire reason Hunter is characterised as he is is they want to find a way to keep him alive but I don't care if he's alive as he's a block of wood
One of the worst parts of Disney Star Wars shows is the Mandalorian-esque filler episodes where they go on a pointless quest to get X mcguffin as a bounty or whatever
For real, it baffles me that most people are giving the finale an 8/10 or above. The ending is straight up bad. It was way more contrived than I imagined it would be. It was bad enough having the Zilo beast in the same facility housing project necromancer so that this exact situation could happen to help Omega escape. They didn't even had counter measures to prevent its escape in case it broke free of its restrains. And are we even supposed to believe that the BB can take on CX-2's squad of elite clones despite being outnumbered and severely wounded and mind-fucked? CX-2 alone almost solos the BB when they're in top condition and here he just went down like he was nothing. I also personally found it stupid that they were ok with sacrificing 80% of the prisoners they rescued and that they left Rampart unsupervised which could have potentially screwed over Nala Se and Omega (if Rampart wasn't incompetent). Also Hemlock for some reason, instead of taking Omega to a more populated area of the base or ask for more Commando reinforcements that we saw with him, he decided to isolate himself so that the Batch could rescue Omega. Why even bring back Scorch throughout the 3 seasons if he doesn't have any of his character traits or personality? It's just key jangling for the sake of it (which worked for his cameo in Season 1 but I think he was misused after it). Also, goodbye any chance of Delta Squad being used in any future projects taking place after the Clone Wars, Scorch is super DEAD. By far the worst finale of the 3 seasons. They didn't resolve what happened to Cody or CX-2's identity, they never addressed Cid's betrayal after season 2 and she gets to walk scot free without consequences despite being the reason Omega gets captured TWICE. This series is the epitome of wasted plotential. What a waste of time and talent of the animators in lackluster writing. R.I.P. Scorch
Also we never got the reason why was omega created, why even try to create female clones. We never got to find out whats with the clone rebellion and was it rly just 10 clones that got killed by clone x We never got to find out whats the damn project necromancer in a bit more detail other than 'somehow palpatine cloned himself later on' We didnt get to find out what ventress was doing and why did she even show up except it was a random easter egg cameo Etc etc The era and the whole premise of the show has SOOO much potential and i dont see the point of time-skiping it all and fast forwarding to the rebellion era. The first 5 years of the empire are the only unexplored era of star wars and it couldve been so damn cool, as we know from the few moments that were cool af , for example the episode with the separatist fortress etc. There were so many pieces of the prequels story that was left floating in the air that couldve all been explored and explained in BB but that just didnt happen.
@@casp512 I agree xister. I like Endgame and No Way Home despite them being badly written. My point is that the finale is bad regardless of if someone liked it or not. Not whatever it is you got from my comment.
I do think wrecker was more of a character than Hunter at least in scale because wrecker never seemed designed to be more than wholesome comic relief plot device.
Finally, I was losing my mind over how many people thought this show was great and how I wanted so much more than filler garbage. It had all the makings too, like you said it’s just a show where nothing real was accomplished
To be honest, I liked that Hunter that Hunters stance was: "I dont want to fight the empire, because its a fight we cannot win and will only cost us." Unfortanetly this was never depicted well enough and it would have been more intersting if there were more Situation like with Tech. They go in as with X people and come out with X-1 people. Also im stil furious about the dealing with the Clones, the didn't show what happened to Wolffe, Cody, Howzer and absolutly disrespected Scorch, shame.
That's the issue. The BB aren't interesting or likeable enough to carry a 3 season show, well, at least a good one. The show is at its best when the spotlight is taken by literally any other character (Senator Chuchi, the Syndullas, Rex, Slip, Mayday, CX-2, Cody, Crosshair, etc.). Rex is the one with an actual purpose and higher goal. Clones like Mayday, Slip and Howzer have actual internal conflicts and personalities. CX-2 is a mysterious and formidable antagonist that can beat the BB alone. The Batch are just cool action figures with no substance as characters (outside of Crosshair, tbf). That is the issue with this series. That it revolves around the Bad Batch instead of revolving around actual characters.
@@omarrojo9484 I wouldn’t nessacarly say their characters are bad I think Echo is the best of them but they wasted his character. But TBB do just feel like a worse Delta Squad TBH. I don’t why it wasn’t a Delta Squad series instead. They have much more interesting characters and would’ve been cool to see what it was like for commandos post order 66 since we never got the final book.
Incorrect. It was all about Omega. Whatever ancillary traits or development CF99 had has always been in service to her character. Possibly the exception was Tech S2
@neocomp92 that is exactly correct. The entire show is just centered around her and her alone, and the one character with any development that wasn't tied around her was tech, who literally died. This is the equivalent of how the mandalorian tv show became the baby yoda show, except if it was always like that from the start.
I peaced out at the end of season 2. The series is just one big filler, it doesn't have that much plot and it spends most of its time looking for the plot. Looking for a conflict to resolve. Every single time they find something that could resemble conflict, they immediately get sent on a side quest. Here's a side quest to your side quest. Good to know they never changed that formula for the entire season 3 run.
I also add that Omega did not even react Kaminoan who brought her up for so many years, sacrificed herself so the empire wouldn't get hands on the research data and technology. There are some good moments in this show but the lack of care to bring everything to satisfying conclusion, half-baked character arcs or lack of them is quite frustrating. I really thought we would see the rebelled clones organizing the attack on Tantis with Rex and other clones who appeared in one of the missions and let him go. Bizarre.
Feel like this show would’ve been off to a better start if the Bad Batch had stayed with the Empire for at least the first season, exploring the transition from The Republic to The Empire, and then have them leave in its final. They could even do it where Tech’s death is caused due to imperial incompetency and the Empire treats it with absolute apathy, causing them to leave the empire where they join with Rex and his clone underground.
I agree with nearly everything you said (and I’m 100% a Bad Batch fan). You basically summarized all my frustrations with this series into a single video. Season One set up so much potential and as usual Disney wasted it. It’s unfortunate.
If the show was named "Omega and the Bad Batch" or just "Omega", and the writers focused on just her without any pretensions of writing an ensemble, the show would be just one season long. Only she mattered. And what was her journey, a naive girl turned soldier against an evil Empire? That's barely beyond elementary for a hero's journey.
honestly was hoping to know more about the clone insurgents and what Rex and his shenanigans might lead up to, but yeah that wasnt what we got still an okay show imo, just tell a friend to not expect much and they might enjoy it more than i did lol, oh and tell them its a kids show hahaha
After finishing Bad Batch I come to conclusion that Star Wars as media can’t grow, it always goes in one endless circle. Its stories always stuck at one period, having to bow down to sequal and og movies with Death Star and now project necromancer. I doubt we will actually move beyond Skywalker, Empire vs Rebels stuff. It always will be same, incompetent bad empire/empire larpers vs good underdog guys. Even Andor is cursed because we know how it ends, and finale showcase of DS is pointless since we know how these stories end. There no new ideas, no new concepts. Star Wars moves in circle, trying to connect everything Marvel style.
You know here is a thought that occoured to me recently.Why does Hemlock even need omega to begin with? He already Has Emry. Who is Omega's sister. At no point does the show even bring up the idea that soeone even tested Emry to see if she was force sensitve/had an M-count. Which...there really isn't a reason she wouldn't be force sensitive if Omega is. Logically speaking,Hemlock shouldn't of needed Omega cause Emry was willing and loyal from the start. But the show never adressed this most likley beacuse it could of created a big plot hole. But it's one of those things that once you think about it, you can't stop thinking about.
I like how they all returned to Pabu like nothing had happened and no Imperial forces there, like have they forgot that going there is risky and the Empire would expect them to be there, also the incompetence with the Empire to not track or follow them, or find them on Pabu or go to Pabu first before them, and yet they stayed there hidden for years? Pabu should of been the Empires first priority to go to, honestly I hope if ever the Bad Batch returns, hope they all finally die because they gotten too old now and they need to go on one last journey at some point maybe, maybe help find Omega because shes gone missing or something, so yeah
This other comment is my thoughts on the series as a whole being a waste of interesting things to explore: Bad Batch could have been from the beginning about Rex and Clone Rebellion. Not the occasional meaty plot episodes separated by tons of pointless bounty hunting mission episodes or getting dragged into a conflict by Omega's carelessness and naivety instead of the crew having their own agency or a treasure hunting mission where they don't even get the treasure at the end. The best episodes of the Bad Batch are the ones were they aren't even in them (or berely feature in). What a waste of a series that takes place in the most interesting time of the saga. They should have gone with the "Star Wars: Dark Times" tone and bleakness. Even in S2 they could have made a dynamic with Cody and Crosshair where Crosshair becomes more fanatic and ruthless while Cody grows more disillusioned and questioning about order 66 and the Empire as the season progresses and then reaching a breaking point where Cody leaves and that becomes a wake up call for Crosshair instead of having Cody disappear after just one episode. They also could have focused on Rex's struggle to start a Clone Rebellion while showing the loyal clones' views on the transition from republic to empire and having to put up with the new TK Troopers (which they also fumbled at with Crosshair's squad and Rampart and other Empire officers just being generic evil officer archetype) and the new Empire's questionable ethics. They could have had Cody and Rex as duo protagonists on opposing sides or have it be a connected anthology series on how the new Empire impacts Civilian, Clone, Jedi and Separatist life. The potential was there and it was for the most part totally wasted with the exception of episodes that actually included this themes that I mentioned which end up being the best the seires has to offer. Characters like Cody, Howzer, Slip, Mayday, Rex, Echo (after ditching the BB to actually do something), Crosshair (specially his change of heart in S2) , Senator Chuchi are way more endearing than Hunter or Wrecker because they actually have purpose and bring interesting conflict to the table. Biggest fumble in Star Wars history (plotential wise) since Kenobi and the sequels trilogy.
This is a hot take, but I honestly found Emerie more interesting than Omega. What were your thoughts on Emerie, especially in relation to Hunter and Wrecker? Did you feel she contributed to the series, serving some purpose and bringing some interesting conflict to the table? How about Nala Se?
@@darthnicholas8528 Hunter and Wrecker are basically non entities when it comes to being interesting so yeah, Emerie was more interesting and had more character development than the actual main characters. I personally find it dumb that Emerie of all individuals is the single person that has a slice of sympathy for the children than any of the other human scientists when she should have grown without emotions (but then again, we can attribute her change of heart due to her relationship with Omega). But yeah, I liked her a little, even if I don't really buy her character arc. Nala Se was also ok, I guess. Trying to get revenge for Kamino was ok, and having actual sympathy for Omega was a nice change from basically sending Fives to his dead. They both are ok, nothing really to write home about. Maybe they'll do something interesting with Emerie in a future series if we're lucky.
I think a Clone Underground show featuring Rex, Echo, Emerie, Wolffe, Gregor, etc. still has the potential to be great, with the right writers on board, of course. Despite having less screen time overall, it amazed me how much more interesting Rex’s Clone Underground were in two whole episodes this season than Clone Force 99, with the exception of Crosshair, were in most of The Bad Batch. Having The Bad Batch just be a clone-centric anthology series set right after Revenge of the Sith and possibly extending into the Original Trilogy era, devoted to exploring the mindsets of both Imperial and anti-Imperial clones, would have been so much better. Or even changing the series by having the entire Batch serve as Imperial commandos for the entirety of Season 1 before gradually becoming disillusioned with the Empire would be equally preferable. I enjoyed The Bad Batch overall, but there were so many missed opportunities, even more so than TCW! Getting back to my previous comment, I think Emerie still has loads of potential, which I would absolutely love to see, and the prospect of seeing her story continue in either a future show, novel, or comic series excites me way more than the prospect of seeing a Rebellion-era story centered around Omega. Also, if you’re into comics and looking for more Imperial clone content, there’s a great Legends comic from an otherwise substandard series (Empire #13) which does a superb job diving into the headspace of a Fett clone stormtrooper (TK-622) during the time of A New Hope. Interestingly, the Empire series also features a Rebel Fett clone (Able), whose story continues in the Rebellion series, which I haven’t finished yet and find decent so far. If you read Empire #26, you can see where they got the design for the homeless clone in Kenobi. I kinda liked Nala Se’s sacrifice, too, but I don’t think I can ever forgive her for the way she treated Fives.
@@darthnicholas8528 For real, watching CX-2 raid Rex's hideout in episode 7/8 made me feel so much more tense because I didn't know if Howzer, Nemec and Fireball were gonna make it. Same can be said about Slip and Senator Chuchi in Season 2. Side characters In the Bad Batch have more things at stake, conflicts and more purpose than the actual main characters it's actually embarrassing when you think about it from a writers standpoint. Crosshair was the only standout out of the Batchers throughout the series and he's barely used in seasons 1 and 2. Here's to hope that the actual next series of the Clone Rebellion actually presents things of substance with actual characters. What insults me the most is that they brought back my goat Cody and did nothing with him and that they used Scorch only to kill him without bringing anything to the table.
@@omarrojo9484 SLIGHT SPOILER WARNING for paragraph 2, regarding the Republic/Imperial Commando book series, but nothing major or surprising. It’s like Dave Filoni commissioned the writers to create a series around George Lucas’s OC Delta Squad knockoffs (which they are), but the writers were actually more interested in exploring the fate of the clones as a collective. I wouldn’t be surprised if Filoni, who had only one writing credit on the series (and it was as a co-writer for the very first episode), forced the writers to backtrack on their ideas and insert a bunch of tensionless childish side quests instead. Imagine all the Crosshair episodes we could’ve gotten in place of the Cid episodes. If the writers were clearly as interested in the Batch, not including Crosshair, as they were with the side characters, they would’ve spent more time providing compelling character work for the Batch and not treating most of them like an afterthought in those filler episodes. I can only imagine how simultaneously relieved and frustrated the writers were to let Echo join Rex’s Clone Underground and not be able to show enough of his involvement with them. I kind of wish Nemec survived, since he had at least some personality and character. The death of Scorch alone makes the finale lose a star. Speaking of which, even an Imperial commando show centered on the surviving members of Delta Squad and their noob squad mate would’ve been more interesting than The Bad Batch. In 501st: An Imperial Commando Novel, the last novel of Karen Traviss’s canceled Republic/Imperial Commando series, we get some insight into how the surviving members of Delta Squad, especially Scorch, were coping with the loss of Sev. What was disappointing about that book is we never got to see Delta Squad in action, like we did in the previous Republic Commando books, and we didn’t gain enough insight into their adjustment with their new squad mate. That alone would’ve been fresh territory ripe for the taking for a post-ROTS Delta Squad show. 501st: An Imperial Commando Novel, along with its predecessor Order 66: A Republic Commando Novel, both had misleading titles, as the former didn’t feature Order 66 until close to the very end and the latter didn’t feature enough Imperial clone commando action to warrant its title. Sons of Skirata would have been a better title, albeit a less marketable one, for the Republic/Imperial Commando series, which I still enjoyed a lot, but I digress. Now, I have seen some theories on Twitter/X that Scorch may have survived his fall, as there appears to be a clone commando model resembling Scorch in the background of the final scene on Mount Tantiss after Tarkin’s arrival. However, all I can rely on at this point is speculation. Continuing on with Delta Squad, I really wish we saw an arc or two from them in TCW instead of its Bad Batch arc (which also rank among my least-favorite Bad Batch episodes IMO despite belonging to a different show), especially since they were wasted in a brief nothing cameo. Apparently, the Bad Batch is what you get when you pitch the idea of a clone commando arc to George Lucas: “Boooring! Let’s do The Dirty Dozen instead.” As Dave Filoni mentioned at a Q&A panel from Star Wars Celebration 2015, George Lucas had the final say when it came to doing elite special forces clone arcs. This was back when the Bad Batch was still an unfinished, yet watchable arc, one of George’s last contributions to Star Wars. Of course, very few changes were made to the Season 7 version. And speaking of elite special forces clones, I thought CX-2 would’ve put up more of a fight against the Batch in the finale, but I guess it is what it is, and he was still a great addition to the show. I do wish we got more of Cody, too, since not even TCW gave him the love he deserved and underused him in favor of Rex at times. Have you read the Republic Commando books and the first and only Imperial Commando book? If so, what are your thoughts on the series as a whole and the main clone characters in particular (Omega Squad and Null ARC Ordo AKA one of the original defect clones)? I know Sheev Talks is a big fan of those books and even recommended them in a Twitter/X post. He even prefers Omega Squad to Delta Squad.
Also for anyone who plans to ask: No, I will not be making a Rebel Moon 2 video. Sorry
@SheevTalks You’re not missing anything. It’s worse than the first film which was already terrible and makes me angry that Zack Snyder is given all this money to produce an original concept and messed it up this badly.
Mental health matters, so I fully support your decision.
Coward
@@Avarn388 Oh no, I've seen it. I just never want to think about it again.
what about the Rebel Moon 2 Director's Cut?
Calling it now. Filoni will retcon that Omega was actually flying that last Y-wing at the Battle of Yavin.
Oh God, I hate how there's actually a decent chance of something like this happening.
Who cares at this point, as long as they don't make her Luke's replacement...
Hey the books already did that, thats now wexley, I think there is a cameo in rise of Skywalker.
@@nathanielzarny1176 They don't care about the books or continuity lol Orn Free Ta gets blasted in the fucking head in this show yet still shows up like 5 years later in Lords of the Sith.
@@nathanielzarny1176 ventress died in the books but that got retconned so that they can bring her back for 1 episode
Respect to Disney for keeping Tech dead
The one thing they did that was actually “unique”
Give them a few years and they’ll find a way to bring him back
Given how Disney has handled every Star Wars project before this I am pleasantly surprised it wasn’t tech. However after what the did to echo, I see them repeating the same story and milking it in probably 5-10 years.
Honestly though, no. Disney should be keeping characters dead, tech staying dead shouldn't be an exception
Respect to Disney for keeping Tech dead... for now*
One thing I really want to know is what’s point of having scorch in this show? If he was there where’s the rest of delta squad? He’s literally there for no reason other than to show that he’s around
Memberberries.
Remember that thing from Legends you love? It’s them! But worse..
“Hey guys it’s that one thing you love from the EU! See we know what you want,” while destroying what we love at the same time. The humiliation ritual continues
“Hey, remember this guy?? We’re going to use him for the sole purpose of manufacturing speculation and never do anything meaningful with him at all!”
They needed someone to say "yes sir!" To all the orders given who could be a threat. He's the same functionally as that clone with the gold mask from ahsoka. Who doesn't thraen have, you know, an officer who's he's trained do these things? Bc the audience doesn't care about officers, they don't feel like a threat, so you have to make them a trooper no matter how stupid it is.
I think the thing that angered me the most is we get absolutely no reason why Omega exists in the first place. Why did Kamino authorize the creation of an unaltered female clone. At first I thought well obviously she's some super secret project Nala Se is keeping under wraps but if that was the case Nala Se wouldn't of requested Omega be brought back to the empire in exchange for working on Project N. Okay so let me further get mad about this at the end of Season 2 Emerie tells Omega she's her sister. When this bombshell is dropped I assumed Emerie was another female unaltered clone (We never find out if she's altered or unaltered) and in the third season her being a clone absolutely does not affect the story in any way whatsoever. She could be a completely normal person and the plot would be the exact same. She was on this super secret clearly doing things of a morally dubious nature for about 10 years but as soon as kids are involved she goes immediate turncoat. They weren't even harming the kids just collecting blood samples. So lets circle back Omega is supposedly this super important clone that Nala Se created prior to the rise of the Empire and its implied Project N was going on during the Clone Wars given the infrastructure of Tantiss and Omega was for some reason created by one of the most important people to the project but was never handed over to the project despite the fact Nala Se didn't seem to have a problem with the project until the rise of the empire. So to wrap this all up my question again is why does Omega, an unaltered female clone exist in the first place and what exactly makes her special that the millions upon millions of other clones don't have since they ostensibly share the exact same DNA. The show strongly implies at the very last episode Nala Se had knowledge of how to make force sensitive clones and if thats the case why did she make Omega if she had no intention of handing her over to the Project.
Great video as always Sheev
>Unaltered clone
>Genderbended Jango Fett
>UNALTERED
How tf does does that make any sense?
One of the personal problems I have with BB is the destruction of Kamino. It is a really impactful moment at the finale of season 1 but the more you think about it the more questions it brings up
Why destroy Kamino? Why waste millions of credits in advanced installations that could be of use to the empire (specially project necromancer)? Why doesn't the Empire keep the planet hostage like they did in Legends if they don't want Kaminoan technology to get in the wrong hands?
The empire (writers) as a whole doesn't understand the actual value of standard Clone Troopers, they have the best training in the galaxy, actual combat experience, are extremely loyal, they're adoctrinated since childhood to obey. Why kick them away from serving instead of actually exploiting them while they still can. A single standard Clone Trooper is worth thousands of credits.
Also Clone Troopers totally disappear by season 3 despite being like 2 years at best after the end of the Clone Wars. How does that make any sense?
We already know emerie is altered, she has accelerated aging.
@@minecrafter3448 I honestly did not catch that at all because the fact that Emerie is a clone isn't brought up again until the finale.
@omarrojo9484 Unaltered is the term used by the Kaminoans in Episode 2 to refer to a clone that does have accelerated aging. I.e Boba Fett.
Also yes I feel the destruction of Kamino was also pointless. The Stormtrooper program should have came about after the galaxy saw that Clones were not fit to be an effective peacekeeping force.
It's still dumb and I doubt any alphabetard knows this since they hate accurate and factual genetic information but technically a female Jango would be unaltered if it ages normally since we all start as female in the womb.
In fact, I was surprised by how unemotional the ending of the "Bad Batch" was for me. And in addition to the arguments mentioned above in the video, I want to add my own - they told too much and not to the point.
One of those things that allowed the season 2 finale of the TV series "to take a shot" is "a leap into the unknown." The heroes knew their goal and where it would go, but NOTHING MORE. Because of this, it is interesting for the viewer to watch how they try to improvise and come up with new action plans. There are new characters, new obstacles, new plot repetitions. After all, it's an intrigue!
In season 3 of "Bad Batch", almost half of the season is preparation for the finale. Moreover, it would be fine if the goals and motives of the characters were set for us during all these episodes. No! They just show us the ala: "Look, it's a Zillo Beast! Guess what the heroes will do to him!" Or "Oh, look - the female clone suddenly became kind, although all these years she quietly endured torture and experiments on other clones. You'll never guess what she'll do to Omega!" And there were so many of these winks that in the end you just make up a picture of the finale yourself, which in 80% of cases coincides with the real one. The only new denominator in this equation is a squad of assassin clones, but as they were beautifully stated, they were also beautifully killed, without revealing what the story between them and Crosshair was.
Yeah really, what was even the point of those discount Knights of Ren clone assassins and having a connection to Crosshair if they were never going to show us what that connection even is other than to add the illusion of depth for the big boss battle? I was at least expecting some lame shit like Cody or some half-alive cyborg Tech was going to be revealed to be one of them, or at the very least it was revealed they trained or fought together at some point. But they're just a nothing burger. Like obviously they're the 2.0 version of what they originally did to Crosshair in the first episode and the "evil, dark mirror" versions of the Dad Batch, but those surface-level observations are literally all you get.
The people who worked on the show did show passion, such as the animation department.
This show is freaking beautiful, there’s still mistakes in the animation, but you have to give credit to where credit is due, the animators really had their heart and soul out for this one
Animators were great. The writers were horrendous
Also whoever did the music deserves applause always fitted the scene well but yeah lack luster story
If I had to guess, the shut down of Lucasfilm/ILM's animation studio in Singapore that handled The Clone Wars and Bad Batch could be a major part to the pacing issues of this series. It does genuinely feel like they've compressed 2-3 seasons down into a dozen 20 minute long episodes, cutting plot points and ideas short and leaving with a wet fart of an ending in order to just be done with it. The Clone Rebellion, Shadow Assassins, Cody's desertion, crosshair's hand thing, Ventress' underwhelming cameo, even wrecker being critically injured in the finale semi suggesting he might die. All of these either got resolved within the span of minutes or just entirely forgotten.
Something that always bothered me about this series was just how quickly they had the Republic become the evil Empire.
It was very much a "We are now called the Empire, and we're here to kick your puppies just to show that we are now evil." situation.
If they put some effort into showing that behind the scenes the Republic was already doing the dodgy, borderline evil stuff that we attribute to the Empire and that was slowly coming more to the forefront, it would've been a better transition.
What bothers me even more is how the Empire is not shown to be truly competent and terrifying even once. It's so bad that you have to wonder how they even came to so much power
@@Dr.LeymenThis is and has been a constant problem with SW for the better part of a decade and a half by now, unfortunately; and it isn't just the Empire. Star Wars, as a whole, disregarding a few pieces of media, has had a villain/antagonist problem for a long time now. The various creative's for the franchise just seem to adamantly, ardently refuse to consistently make competent or geniunely compelling antagonists, whether that be cannon fodder or otherwise, and instead just tend to fall back upon relying legacy/old characters (classic being Vader, obviously), who even then they struggle to write as such (usually due to broader issues with the media itself).
what bothers me more is people never living under regime change fantasizing about regime change true picture. im sorry bro, u may be smarter than lot of politicians and generals and that is the deal. u can look at russian invasion of ukraine and point your finger at the screen saying auuum thats unrealistic...why would they do that...um dont they have drones why they defusing mine fiends with their squads thats unreasonable... ummm would not it be wiser to ehhh....Real life politics have less cognitive content and more of 'i need to do it fast before i change my mind thing' that is exactly what moving plot of the sw forward all the time
@@papapalps2415 i know, it's always bothered me but it is especially bad and noticeable because the Empire, at this point in time, is supposed to be at their peak or at the very least very strong and capable.
But here they are, not being able to do anything against a few rogue clones, their elite (clone commandos) being cannon fodder, their top secret, high security, bases getting infiltrated, and in the case of tantis, destroyed, and a literal child being able to escape Tantis not just once but twice without a problem, etc..
The Empire went from being a terrifying power to a Saturday Cartoon villain of the week. Pathetic
These people lobotomized Scorch, took him away from his squad, made him the henchman of the villain-of-the-week and then they killed him. This was the last straw, for me. Edit: To clarify, I'm not mad that he's Imperial, Delta Squad would 100% be Imperial Commandos, as was planned. But this outcome? Nope.
Insane that the only clone character Filoni didn’t initially write stayed with the empire and died. Cody, Rex, Wolffe, Gregor, the Bad Batch, and Howzer all got to be good guys, but a legends character? Death and loyalty to a fascist empire. We all know Filoni is obsessed with the preservation of his own characters. But tearing down other people’s characters? That’s a new low.
@@jonathanmaves3360 Delta were planned to be Imperials, it makes sense to me. The sequel would have been amazing from that perspective. This show, however? Not the way to do it, and it's just disrespectful.
@@Sangth123 I didn’t know they joined the Empire, just looked into that. That part tracks then. But killing someone else’s character like that? Separating them from their squad nonsensically? Ridiculous.
@@jonathanmaves3360Generally agree but Cody is Lucas's character. It's weird he also strips all the personality out of the clones from the Kanan comic just for the sake of having the Bad Batch meet a Rebels character.
My man was robbed
It was weird seeing wrecker live. Like it really felt like he was dying and then just bam he’s okay. Like he hasn’t had anything since s1 and he’s just used less and less. It was getting funny how much they would say “wrecker u stay here”. Like did they forget he’s a character lmao.
His ultimate use in the show was putting ONE guy through a wall.
My favorite part was when Hunter said ''I got 99 problems, but a Binks ain't one''
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@@_sandakin_ Thanks! Me and my family are very proud.
Lmfao you've made my day (:
Post Revenge of the Sith era is such an interesting era to tackle because your seeing the swift transition of a republic to an empire. And there's tons of stories to focus on in seeing how that change effects the galaxy and how does everyone respond to it. Making "Diet Coke A-Team" wasn't really the best choice of stories to focus on.
Wish they had done a “Dark Times” anthology. It felt like they wanted to do something like that - at times- but having the Bad Batch needed in every storyline just lessens that.. The Ryloth episodes are a prime example there
Meh i feel like Disney has overused the hell of that era since rebels
We already have the 2017 Darth Vader-Comics, Ahsoka (the novel, not the show), Inquisitor: Rise of the Red Blade, Catalyst: A Rogue One Novel and more recently Tales of the Empire. I am personally not starving for content in that timeframe.
Also The Bad Batch, did cover how the swift transition of the Republic to an Empire effected the galaxy.
This show is the perfect definition of saying a whole lot of nothing. It'll introduce numerous side plots and plot elements but in the end it is either undercooked or forgotten about entirely. It feels like Rebels but somehow even worse because at least Rebels used many of its own filler episodes to serve its finale.
I’d say the difference is that rebels had plot episodes with filler in between. Whereas bad batch felt like it was entirely filler and the same plot over and over again.
I’ve heard people argue that that was good writing, “because it created the sense of impending doom and showed how hopeless the bad batch’s situation was”. However it just comes across as lazy and unoriginal after seeing the same plot repeated every 5 episodes throughout the same show. It was just- bad batch running, someone gets captured, rescue, repeat. And that’s the entire show.
Perfect definition of saying absolutely nothing.
Most accurate statement
Kinda like a Jack of all trades, master of none situation.
Definitely a master of none
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the thing that pisses me off the most is Scorch. a beloved character from a beloved team of characters from a beloved game that was axed from the canon, whos only existence is canonised by a dialogue-less tiny scene in one episode of Clone Wars, is used as eye candy and then offhandedly killed without effort. i was fucking HYPED when i saw Scorch in the first season.
"this is perfect, the batch can go against delta squad as their rivals. oh shit, delta lost sev just how batch lost tech. without crosshair, this is how they even the score to go against each other. 3v3. perfect. oh... oh scorch is just doing nothing. oh... oh hes dead. ok. fuck you then."
what was the point? literally just bait. and its not like its a potential money grabbing spin-off, hes just dead.
I honestly would have preferred them just not including him in the finale if it meant disappointing a lot of fans but eventually letting his story play out, rather than taking the easy way and having him be killed in such a pathethic manner.
It’s because Filoni cannot fathom the idea of SW characters that he didn’t create being beloved or enjoyed by fans. He’d remake ROTJ to replace Luke with Ahsoka if he could.
Also, I think leaving multiple plot threads unresolved is by design rather than incompetence. Each and every unresolved plot element can be utilized as a hook for future projects. Who's to say we won't get a new show about the clone network? A tie-in novel about Crosshair's job struggles? A limited comic series about Ventress's further advntures? Disney doesn't do self contained stories anymore, it's a gigantic web of content and you have to consume _everything_ if you want to follow along.
This is the sort of thing that really reinforces what I've been saying all along: the Bad Batch are just dollar store Delta Squad, and I'm tired of pretending they aren't.
Very fair point.
Why were you pretending they aren't? It's blatantly obvious and you should've called it out the first time they announced the show.
@@diamondheadify-v5i I did, I was just referencing that one line from the Joker movie. It's meant to mean 'I'm tired of everyone else pretending they aren't.'
It doesn't help that this show had a lot of loose ends: Cody going AWOL, Lama Su NOT getting executed, Ventress, ES-02, Omega implying to be force sensitive, Rex building his Clone network, etc.
I think omega has the same m count as jango, and she was significant because other jango clones had lower m counts compared to jango. So she’s not really force sensitive to any significant degree, as we saw with the ventress episode.
This show basically suffers from the same problem Clone Wars suffered from. In that show the biggest example was rise of the empire wasn't addressed until the end of the 5th season.
This show has so much things happening off screen such as the clones being replaced, the stormtroopers being recruited, the transition from Republic to Empire, Rebel groups starting up, and so much more are ignored for side quests with the TMNT if they didn't develop beyond their character traits.
A problem I have with the Prequels is the same problem I have with this show and parts of the Clone Wars and I think Linkara does a great job at talking about this in this review of the official comic adaptations of the prequels and that's "We don't see how freedoms being taken away, how this is becoming a totalitarian state, we are told is it becoming one by the Chancellor getting 'new powers' but what new powers, what new authority is he exercising, are we seeing Clone troopers on every street corner, do we see regular citizens getting harassed for no reason, do we see a conflict between The Jedi and said troopers that would lead to growing mistrust, are the younglings being taken from the Jedi and put in cages and tortured forced to accept Sith doctrine, corrupt businessmen and military officials getting kickbacks and benefits from the oligarchy, aliens getting less rights and bigoted chanting over not enough humans in possessions of power. No, we are told that the chancellor having 'more power' is bad and that's it, why is living under the Empire a bad thing, why are they so quick to accept the Jedi are bad guys. People keep telling me in spin-off media the public was growing distrustful of the Jedi but we never see anyone in the films like that, we just have to take their word for it that things are getting worse all the time, that the war I causing so much pain and problems, that the senate is gleefully handing more power to the chancellor to try and bring things to a swifter end, yet even the kidnapping of the chancellor is not shown in the film itself, the enemy forces penetrating what should be the most heavily fortified position in the Republic, the seat of power itself, and we only see things directly form on high, was there any devastation wrought upon Coruscant in this attack, damned if I know we never see anything like that, business as usual form outside everyone's giant windows, even the Tartakovsky Clone Wars which actually showed the kidnapping of Palpatine, lacked any civilian presence during the attack, you'd think it was one big model city with automated trains as the only indication there might be any other life on this planet."
I cant believe that they wasted 3 seasons on side quests and filler and not once delved into the politics of recruiting stormtroopers, something I was very interested in. Heck they barely touch on any of the actual interesting things about this era in Star Wars like you point out.
I felt like the transition from Republic to Empire felt too quick tbh, especially how long the series takes place tbh, they need to explain why's this and such, maybe say that this transition was happening way before the fall of the Jedi and the Republic, so yeah
@@GOODYGOODGOOD789 I'm just gonna pretend you didn't say Linkara
@@MoodKapProductions what’s wrong with Linkara? Then again I don’t really know who that is
I’m genuinely surprised at their restraint in keeping Tech dead. I fully expected him to come back, not because I cared in the slightest about him or anything, but because it was the cheapest and laziest way to write a show which is what TBB has been from the start, lazy predictable writing. There’s also Dave Filoni and Disney SW as a whole being deathly allergic to having stakes and lasting consequences
100% facts nobody talks about Hunters lack of development. In season 3 he should have never trusted Crosshair until the very end when Crosshair was going to sacrifice himself. Which he should have been allowed to do that.
Crosshair dying while taking out Hemlock would have been perfect. Have Crosshair go out ensuring his family will never be found by the Empire. I would of even taken a “character doesn’t realize their shot till the adrenaline wears off” moment
The Bad Batch is the kind of thing Aldous Huxley warned us about when he talked about the "Feelies". Light and sound, signifying nothing. There is no story, there are no characters, there is no theme, just raw naked vacuous consumerist slop.
Very true. Also see Rebel Moon, Marvel phase 4, Star Wars eps 7 / 8 / 9, Transformers etc etc. Huxley was a visionary.
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Light and sound signifying nothing.
Macbeth would be proud
Sound and fury signifying nothing, as Shakespeare put it.
@@sparkycjsAy, Transformers has some actual bangers, I do hope you're mainly referring to the Bayformers shlock.
This finale was by all means not a clone rebellion, simply a prison break. Not unless they do another follow up show which I doubt. The Batch needed to be nerfed otherwise they would've blown through Tantiss and the clone assassins. Hunter needed to be hit by shuttle fire, Wrecker needed to be wounded by the bear, Crosshair been nerfed since he came back otherwise, he would have been no-scoping this entire season and everyone would have died the minute they showed their face.
Had the show been focused on a military theme, the premise of the first episode "aftermath" was the best way to do season 1. Have the bad batch slowly begin to disassociate from the Empire over the course of the season by continuously questioning their orders, do worldbuilding for the clones and the state of the galaxy with the Batch serving as a frontline proxy for the audience so as to not diverge from the plot with filler, being sent to put down Inserections, aid in planetary civil wars for planets not entirely willing to join the empire, establishing further on their relationship with other clones/imperial leadership, establish clone deserter and jedi survivor contacts. Also establish the group dynamic between the 5 more thoroughly so that way when(or if) Crosshair defects to the empire its more impactful. Unfortunately, most of the time they act like coworkers that don't have much to say to each other than what's in relation to the plot or for the sake of Omega. Since the group are super soldiers, they then should be able to tackle most problems head on while setting the groundwork for a clone rebellion becoming its spearhead in later seasons. Large scale engagements with the Empire, allying with former separatists and working to bypass programmed grudges like they sort of did with Echo in "Common Ground" pitting brother against brother, being an actual threat to a newly formed Empire, with an overall theme of loyalty and brotherhood. But we got Cid missions and the occasional Rex espionage and Crosshair committing the weekly Wednesday war crimes.
An elite squad turned up to 11 as seen in their CW original arc who were far more capable there than in this show. Hunter for one does not seem like the same character and is watered down and unchanging. Echo was really the only one who got development after crosshair through the bare minimum of lines and what little focus they decided to give to him. In "Cut and Run" he fully realizes that he is now a deserter in a small exchange with Tech and it does not sit well with him due to his facial expressions. In "Reunion" Echo makes a point at least twice that they are ultimately soldiers, not arms smugglers/mercenaries. In 'War Mantle" Echo is shown to still be very loyal to Rex and pushes the point to save Gregor like the Batch did for him. He is loyal to his clone brothers as a whole. In the season 2 premiere, Echo now pushes that they should be doing more, such as fighting the Empire. He's never liked doing the Cid missions which is why he leaves the Batch and joins Rex to save the Clones in the middle of season 2. That and he trains Omega to be a soldier. Really after he leaves the batch, his character development stops as he's now where he feels he needs to be. That can be watched in probably less than 6 mins of screentime and that's being generous.
The interviews they did with creatives Brad and Jennifer on the Star wars website have some interesting insights such as omegas inclusion. I paraphrase slightly here from Jennifers pov. "How do you challenge a super soldier & what can you throw at them that’s something that they’re not equipped to deal with? That’s how the idea of Omega came to be. Soldiers can figure things out, but what they’ve never had to deal with is a young kid. And that completely changes how they relate to one another and changes their perspective on the galaxy. They can be dropped into a Separatist battlefront and they’re going to be fine no matter what. But having to be guardians and be responsible for the upbringing and rearing of a child is something totally different." So you handle super soldiers to become an animated rip off of the mandalorian who meander around for 3 seasons and then retire. And then Scorch is wasted as meaningless fan service and a detriment to Delta squads legacy. So waste of a huge potential premise that could have been meaningful rather than padded content.
Also they are living in peace on a hidden planet which was discovered and overtaken by the Empire 4 episodes ago...
what you said seems detailed and smart at first, but in reality is a personal wishes rant like most of sheevs video again. Im so tired of people not writting shows talking about how shows should be written and its always the same rant - HE DOESNT HAVE A CHARACTER ARC
lol i swear internet made every person who watch movies talk about damn character arcs same way that soccer made every couch potato with a bag of chips into a soccer trainer and a strategist.
POINT BEING
Not every character needs to go through the same basic cinderella ass character arc in every damn show. Life doesnt work that way, it never did. When was the last time you met someone who was for example greedy and selfish and through 3-4 months he learned his lesson and became a selfless person. When was the last time you met someone who was insecure and through a short period overcame an obsticle and became more self confident.
Its a basic A-to-B aproach that makes youtubers like mauler and critical drinker think they know about movies more than scorsese and riddley i swear to god.
That bad batch DOES lack character moments and the whole plot couldve been done 10x better, BUT NOT by giving every clone a damn A-to-B arc. Would you have been more happier if for example Wrecker got over his fear of heights in the last episode LOL... stuff like that would have youtubers making videos using the words 'set-up' and 'pay-off' like theyre scientists talking about nuclear physics.
What the bad batch needed was just MORE cool action scenes with the batch .. MORE hunter... MORE echo.. it doesnt matter that echos arc was completed, it was still entertaining to watch him infiltrate the base and thats what we needed more off.. he is a DEVELOPED character, he doesnt need to go through an arc he already went through hell and back, that doesnt mean he needs to be basicly kicked off the show bcuz they dont know what to do with him.. we just needed more of the bad batch doing cool things and less omega... we needed more special ops missions with all of them together and less separation of the damn team. Throughout the whole show we watch 4/6 ppl out of the team being separated and trying to get to the missing member and once they find the missing member , ANOTHER member gets captured or something lol .
And also no, their OPness shouldnt have been a problem because its STAR WARS, theres always a bigger fish, always a larger enemy number, always a larger vehicle to destroy.. The batch didnt have to be nerfed through the whole damn show basicly lol , always having someone captured or incapacitated or morally doupting himself and what not ..
The era of the first 5 years of the empire is so interesting to me, i think its even the best era at the moment because it hasnt been touched before and it shouldve been explored waaay more. With a competent writter the bad batch couldve been a 6 season show with everything being so damn interesting and top notch, and ultimatively ending with a clone rebellion that ends up being tragic af with the empire disposing of them, the same way they disposed off the jedi, makin the circle complete
Also the biggest problem with the show for me was that it turns out the clone rebellion was like rex and his 10 guys that got killed offscreen by 1 guy... and that it turns out 'the clone brothers being experimented on' was like 13 guys out of which they saved 4-5 or whatever is the number of ppl that fit in that 1 shuttle... and they made it to pabu fruit stands and we are supposed to accept that as being the conclusion to the whole story of the clone army.. the grand army of the republic ... millions of clones.. lol.. that 1 trooper in the kenobi series is supposed to satisfy our needs and answer the question 'what happened with the clones' ... smh
@@boletop6204 What is there to this show other than filler entertainment for at least half of its episodes? And this is all fabricated storytelling. Of course it does not follow real world conclusions or time progressions as people don't change over a week or never change at all but that wouldn't sell as entertainment now would it? And that's exactly what this show is supposed to be. Fictional entertainment first and foremost with its job being to entertain and if you're doing your job right as a writer, keeping the viewer engaged and immersed into the story and its characters so that they stick around to bring in viewership to make money. Comparing that to real life as a format for storytelling is a nonsensical argument.
For a show called the Bad Batch, their main focus is Omega. Even quoted directly from the creatives that raising a kid was driving point of Omegas existence and to give the Bad Batch something to do essentially because they were too focused on giving OP characters a challenge than actually developing them beyond 1 note tropes. They don't actually have many moments where you notice they actually get along. Most of their dialogue is about the plot or omega.
Tell that solution about their OPness to the creatives as that was a quote from them.
I actually listed worldbuilding events in a broad outline that would complement and make the most sense to build upon their already established roles as SOLDIERS. This is Star WARS after all. What else could they do in this story other than fight? But according to the creatives, raising a kid so, done apparently. Yet you talk about having a wishlist and then list your own wishes and speculational events as to what the show could have been. Hypocritical much?
@@Cogz I wasnt talking about having a wishlist i was talking about wishing that all characters have a character arc when in fact they dont need it, wrecker and echo dont need it, they just needed good dialogue/action and more screentime and thats it. I mentioned real life only to further argument why not having a basic arc isnt the problem. People always go in circles, CHARACTERS in movies/cartoons go in circles. Thats not the problem. The problem is the other thing you said - the lonely gunman / innocent child recipe being 99percent of the show
So how about that clone assassin? You know, the scary black ops lone operative that covertly took down an entire base of trained, experienced soldiers by himself? What a load of nothing he was.
I figured personally that he was a perfect replication of crosshair that they created (or even mass produced) secretly prior to sinking Tipoca city. That maybe he would be unmasked during a tussle and would provide a solid motivation for Crosshair's character arc, further showing how replacable he was to the Empire in the most literal sense, make him regret not realizing this sooner, and acting as a catalyst for not laying down and giving up like he planned, knowing the Empire will do the same to Omega if they succeed. Maybe further the juxtaposition by demonstrating how CX-2's (that's his name apparently) shooting hand still works fine, compared to Crosshair's nerve-damaged hand.
So what happened? He captures Omega without incident and returns to Tantiss, where we later find out he's part of a super-secret-Super-Sentai-style clone team or something. After easily dispatching the Bad Batch, they all unceremoniously die within 5 or so minutes and we never find out who they are. They _COULD_ be copies of the batchers like I said, but we'll never know because the show is over and they all died anyway. Neat.
Also we know it's the finale because this episode, there's *TWO* blaster-proof giant monsters.
I thought they were going to turn out to be tech Clones. Empire found his body and ran some experiments.
Crosshair Clones would have been cool though, especially with Crosshair realising how disposable he really was as a result.
The cast of Bad Batch are some of the worst characters in the entire Star Wars franchise in my opinion. They’re so trope-y and archetypical, and though most characters are based on archetypes, the Batch themselves are so cliche and beholden to archetypes to the point where I can’t take them seriously.
Like, Hunter and Wrecker are so derivative of thousands of characters before them. They’re literally just “Leader Guy” and “Big Dummy.” There’s barely anything that sets them apart from other characters with these archetypes. Hunter himself barely even has personality traits outside of stoicism. And I can’t stand Wrecker’s voice despite how talented Dee Bradley Baker is.
Not to mention Omega is a liability. She’s good at gambling and using that stupid-looking laser bow, but her primary role is to be captured and for that to act as a source of conflict.
Oh, and it doesn’t matter how beloved Tech is; I’m glad he’s gone. Even with his development, he’s still a walking nerd emoji. He’s a human calculator. He’s Urkel. He’s every cliche you associate with a “smart guy” character and then some. And as an autistic person myself, I RESENT the assertion that Tech is autistic because I’d rather be seen as a complex individual than a nerd emoji.
There are some other characters in this show I hate as well. Like, I get that I’m SUPPOSED to hate Cid, and I do, but what I *really* hate is how she sends the Batch on pointless side quest filler episodes. It takes the Batch FOREVER to realize that she’s taking advantage of them when it’s painfully obvious. And seeing Rampart flail around and whine constantly throughout the penultimate episode genuinely gave me second hand embarrassment. There is no excuse for a grown man to act this way, especially when he was actively putting the Batch in danger.
Characters are my favorite part of storytelling, so of course when this show fails so spectacularly with them, I’m not gonna care for much else.
They’re all just cardboard cutouts
In universe it makes sense why they are the best at being the type of character that they are. However, the clone wars goes out of its way to characterize the clones as individuals with deep personalities and the ability to be different. These characters were not different at all, it’s exactly like you said- that they’re just the leader guy or the dumb brute or the genius. And that’s all they are, they have no complexity.
The whole point of the bad batch is that they’re supposed to be the most different clones of all, but because of lazy writing we got super surface level characters. It feels like children could’ve written a more compelling story. And it’s not just the bad batch that’s treats the story like this, just about every Disney project has been a steaming pile of garbage.
This did a way better job of summarizing my gripes with the show than I ever could. I liked some of the characters, but looking back that was more because I liked their archetype and design (which is still an extension of their archetype) rather than anything that built on their basic concept. The whole plot’s kinda done only in broad strokes really
@@lúki-ang here’s the plot summary of the show; they’re running from the empire, someone gets captured, they rescue captured ally, repeat.
EXACTLY👍
There is literally no conclusion for the clones as a whole and as individuals
No more of Rex
No more of Wolffe
No more of Cody specifically
No more of Gregor
No clone rebellion
And this isn't me wanting to pointing at the screen because (insert the RLM segment here) but because they started those character arcs and plot points, but never touch of them again
Never explore how they feel as characters that have been as long as season 1, and Cody as far as episode 3
We never explore anything interesting for this setting
We don't get an confrontation between the clones and ventress
No exploration of the separatists and republicans in how they feel about all of this new empire thing
No exploration on how the clones feels about all of this
Again
Only on technical levels they explore this
But is like
1% of the show and 80% of it is just the bad batch jerking off in adventures like an kids show, as an sequel to the clone wars, the show that cancelled all but one of the Bad Batch's arcs
Trully just disappointment
turns out the clone rebellion was rex and his 10 guys that got killed by 1 guy off screen, also it turns out 'the clone brothers being experimented on' was like 13 guys out of which they saved 4-5 and they made it to pabu fruit stands and we are supposed to accept that as being the conclusion to the story of the clone army lol
Yeah so many unresolved plots that just disappear
Honestly Hunter just wanting to retire after a long intergalactic war, the entire thing with crossair and later the empire hunting them down multiple times, finally getting a chance to raise his daughter on a peaceful world out of the empires sights makes a lot of sense. That being said, I dont doubt that they might have assisted rex and his clone underground a few times or that crossair or wrecker might have joined some other group at later along the line. We will see how it goes but I would not be too sad to have seen these characters for the last time, they had a nice sendoff.
Listening to people that like this show made me realize what kind of people made this show and their audience. This show was made by fanfic authors for fanfic authors. You see, most people writing fanfiction are the kind of people who just like characters regardless of story and everything else and they would write their fanfictions about their favorite characters just dicking around with a vague semblance of a plot. This is how I feel about this show. It's more like a fanfiction about the Bad Batch based solely on their appearance in S7 of TCW. It's why there's tons of side quests, it's why there's next to no story or character progression and why the characters dick around for most of the show. It feels like to fans of this show The Bad Batch is like a boy band that has really nothing to sell other than their presence.
This is the perfect example of a “stale bread” show. It just has nothing. It adds nothing.
Sooo true. Glad I stopped after the first season.
Star Wars is a dead brand
You can tell it was entirely merchandising, just like the stupid droid from the kenobi show. It’s new clone toys to sell to kids. They tried to bait us by adding the bad batch to the last season of tcw and to get us thinking that the bad batch would be the next tcw. Sadly and predictably it was not the next tcw.
@@chasehedges6775Honestly the only way to “save” star wars is to simply stop. Just put a dead pause on EVERYTHING. All they seem to be doing is digging themselves into a deeper hole and no matter what attempts they make to do almost anything with the franchise it just gets worse.
Just stop.
From a certain point of view
This show has proven to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that Star Wars fans have been trained to accept and laud mediocrity. I swear half the fan base was trying to paint the shows lack of central focus as as deep and nuanced. The second half adjusted their expectations in real time to align with the first half. I’m feeling a pattern here of shows within the Star Wars IP that exists solely to cover inadequacies in the movies. Moreover once that has been completed they abruptly end.
They also confuse "nothing happening" with "character development"...
I mean, i watched the show and it was not terrible, I still take it over something like BobF. But it was really not all that good.
The show is mostly watched by tcw fans, so there is no wonder that they would praise anything related to their favourite era
I thank the Heavens that I did not grow up watching TCW. My younger self would have not seen past the shallowness, and TBB put me off watching TCW.
@@neocomp92 If you ever start watching, watch Clone Wars Refocused. That fan edit makes the show a lot better.
@@niksargs Which sucks. I'm a TCW fan, and I hated this.
I will keep saying it:
The Bad Batch clones look like fanfiction OC's.
That's basically what they are.
And this show basically had a fanfiction ending - all the author's (Filoni's) OCs got away to live happily ever after, and and all the established characters (Nala Se, Scorch) die.
Ironically I have read fanfictions with greater depth and vision from fan authors than what Lucasfilm gave us
I mean, they're basically just Filoni's version of Delta Squad.
@@kade-qt1zu Except Delta were default RCs, we never saw their faces and they only had like 10 voicelines each, and they still managed to have more character than half of the BB.
@@DarkWizard83 Hemlock and Tech were established star wars characters?
The show had potential. The music, and animation are good.
It's predictable, side quest here's another godzilla like monster.
Could've been a suicide squad type show.
Anytime you see a character like a republic commando in a Disney star wars,they're just dumbed down because they're there for the nostalgia.
The filler episodes are godawful,filoni is a hack who's this mysterious figure? Just a pile of dust, because it's just to add speculation and theory's to a mystery box...
I’m glad the clone wars animation style lived on, just wished the writing would improve along with the animation quality
I loved season 3 but I feel the main problem with Filoni is that he can’t end anything unless it already had an ending like The Clone Wars. ALL of Filoni’s shows (except for The Clone Wars) end with a cliffhanger because the way he writes is that he wants to leave things open in case he plans to revisit them later which is just not how you write a show in my opinion.
Writing is an art form and Filoni is purposely making unfinished art because he can’t let go of these characters, creating massive holes in the middle of the canvas and leaving the viewer feeling empty at the end of it all because of the lack of ending.
The Bad Batch in my opinion is the best Star Wars show we’ve been given these past couple years (excluding Andor), I genuinely love the characters and their relationship to one another, I actually really like when episode stories aren’t involving big stake operations against the empire, and I really liked most of the show. It’s just the ending that leaves a bitter taste in my mouth because there was no actual ending for any of the characters.
At least the ending didn’t leave a bitter taste in my mouth it’s just bland, I’m just glad it’s over.
Also respect for keeping tech dead
Nice cotton candy analogy
I actually enjoyed the show while it was airing, and it’s the finale that left a bad taste in my mouth. Scorch dying (everything they did with Scorch and the commandos), Rampart having a cheap death instead of being interesting in a future show, and never addressing the actual depth of Crosshair’s trauma, just cutting off his hand so it’s not a problem anymore. After the finale it was like my eyes opened and I could see all the flaws that the rest of the show had. It’s an okay show now as long as I don’t think about it.
Filler in a Dave Filoni show? I just refuse to believe that's possible.
You’re 100% right about the side quests thing. It was just a nonstop slew of “find this thing to talk to this person to find this place” or “I won’t help you until you help me.” Plus a monster thrown in every other episode just for good measure. It got *really* tiring to watch.
The series can be described as what is known to us trekkie as "GNDN".
"Goes nowhere, does nothing"
The best thing to come out of this show is that I made some pretty great memories with my mom riffing on it before I head off to college.
That being said, the music fucking slaps too.
Meh, I don't even think I remember a single track in this show besides the main theme and Omega's, and that's mainly because they shove them down our ears at every opportunity.
the music is really good.
If they actually gave Tech a proper goodbye at the beginning of the season I would have been heartbroken but at least I had some closure, but no. They clearly set up this New Super Villain with the intent of revealing him as Tech to set a season 4 that was never greenlit: they gave him a lot of useless screentime, covered his face and voice and even interact with some relevant character for Tech like Phee. Also why in the world would Hemlock simply state that Tech died and gave his glasses to the Bad Batch if not for them not looking for him?
And in the end it turned out the assassin was a random dude being there for no tematic reason nor plot development. At that point would have been so much better if that role was given to Wolffe or to some other reg who'd have seen the light in the end, but they had to glue to the screen people like me who were there basically for Tech and the hope that they would be either reunited or die all together, like a proper squad. Hell, the last episode is literally called like the first thing Wrecker ever said on screen.
I think that this useless baiting is what really embittered me, beside the general wasted potential of the narration and I don't think I will give this franchise another chance after yet another missed shot
I really wish they mentioned Tech more too. Like Omega telling Crosshair, and the rest of the batch yknow, actually dealing with it
It’s so weird to me how Rebels spent an entire episode mourning the lost of Kanan while TBB hardly brought up Tech aside from some occasional mentions. That was honestly one of the reasons I thought fans wanted him brought back.
The way this show treated the republic commandos is absolutely criminal and I’m surprised you didn’t talk about it.
It's infuriating what they did with Scorch. I was really expecting something big with him.
He says he doesn't really go off of Legends, and focuses on how the series works in tandem with itself and the larger universe. If Disney retconned something, even that was great storytelling and great potential, they have the rights to replace it and no necessity to go with the EU lore. Besides, the channel proves wonderfully that even without the EU as a metric there are problems with characters. It's not just the characters are worse than their EU counterparts or nerfed - they're just absolutely bad in themselves or just eyecandy
@fornax5798Then what was the point of specifically using Scorch? Use a random called..."Torch"?
@@ggt47for memberberries
This entire show just feels AI generated. The characters were dull, so many concepts set up for what I can only assume was UA-cam theory hype, and that finale was the biggest nothing burger I've ever seen.
If this show, or for that matter any of the Disney Star Wars shows that people defend, was any good why won’t you have any desire to rewatch or even remember it a year from now. If it was so good you’d rewatch it. But you won’t . Because you know it’s not, even if it’s hard to admit it, or you want it to be good so badly that you tell yourself it is. You can tell me I’m wrong, but I guarantee you will never have the urge to rewatch it.
Finally i've found a video that doesn't say the finale was a masterpiece and actually lists it's issues as issues and not nitpicks, i really liked this show, i saw it's problems, but i still enjoyed watching it, i enjoyed the first two seasons, the first half of the third one too, but man, i despise the finale, it doesn't resolve anything, it doesn't do anything with the characters, and for some reason, people just absolutely praise it when it's clearly a bad finale. And the time jump at the end was just added salt to injury
What do you mean it doesn't resolve anything?
@@ondrejmaceska6196 Most of the plot points are either just ended very abruptly or aren't brought up at all, such as the Rex plot point, or what happened to Crosshair that he got ptsd (as in, we never saw anything that remotely showed what Hemlocks training looked like), the story of Sid is also just gone, she just dissapeared, Gregor, Wolfe, Howzer, Cody and much more. The finale really didn't feel like a finale, it felt like they just rushed the episode to end the series
@@Kafelel Rex was brought up, they just decided to use the opening Omega them with Zillo beast instead of wasting the opportunity. However they will for sure appear in a spinoff about the clone rebellion along the other clones you've mentioned. This just wasn't that story, even though the show may have done some things to indicate it is. Regarding Cid, how should she have appeared and in what context? To be hunted down by BB for revenge?
@@ondrejmaceska6196 I actually agree with Cid being out of context actually, but i wish they did something with her, and yeah they'll probably offer a new show which im looking foward to, i just wish the ending had atleast dealt with some of the plot points
@@Kafelel It has dealt with all of the other plot points though...
Tbh, Crosshair saying "i wanted to be a good soldier" should be horrifying and should he a sign of how messed up Crosshairs mind was tampered with.
Everyone keeps saying that Crosshair made the choice to stay with the chip out and that, as well as alsp showing why the Batch gave up on him. But thats not Crosshairs fault. Its clear that having his chip turned up to the max has left a permanent scar on his mental faculties.
He should be seen like Bucky is. A traumatised soldier who had their mind messed with immensely. But this show, because it forgets its own characters history, decided that Crosshair only wanted to be a good soldier. So it alleviates the Batch for abandoning their brother ro their former slavers.
Only reason Tech was killed is it would’ve been too easy to find Tardis. What a waste of 2 seasons.
Doctor who? Tardis?
@@russianoverkill3715 hahaha yeah I butchered that. To be fair, just started getting into The Doctor (with Rose). Way better than this goop
Oh, Tech will _absolutely_ show up in some future project or other, don't you worry. No one's ever really gone.
Also, the treatment of Tarkin as a character and imperials in general was terrible. Tarkin shouldn't even be involved in this show at all. And then people started to say how much the writers 'respect the lore' when Hemlock refused to tell Tarkin about Tantiss. No, that wasn't impressive, the writers were fairly obviously building up to Tarkin being jealous and then sabotaging Necromancer at the end, because Tarkin has become a completely stale character.
Even if I was to pretend the Tarkin novel doesn't exist, Tarkin has the equivalent rank of a sector governor at this time, and at the start of the show he was just an admiral, so he wasn't particularly important at all and certainly doesn't have the authority to be messing with Imperial Science Corps projects when he is not in the same branch as them.
The writers evidently don't understand very basic concepts like a military having different branches, which even SW Rebels seems to done better. We see these new 'TK troopers' acting as standard patrols across the galaxy, which admittedly Rebels did first, but TBB now has TK troopers flying V wings. Where the heck is the Imperial Navy? Do regular pilots not exist, or are the animators too lazy to make a new model for non-clone pilots?
Heck, why is everyone in the Empire already a non-clone? Sure, we know *how* it happened, but the show never actually gave a coherent reason for clones to be replaced. Clones are too expensive now? Cool, make them an elite unit separate from regular soldiers called.... hmmm... I dunno... stormtroopers? Clones are becoming less effective/not combat ready due to advanced ageing? Cool, they can voluntarily retire or become stormtrooper officers/trainers and train their successors. Because that is what the lore used to be like and should be surrounding the stormtrooper corps.
But instead, the writers not only have clones almost completely gone (unless they want a token 'good' Imperial character like Dr. Karr or one that is slightly less incompetent than regular bad guys like the commandos or the CX agents) but also have stormtroopers that act not only as standard rifled infantrymen but also as standard patrol fighter pilots. This all makes sense, doesn't it?
As much as the show has been "meh" overall props to the writers for sticking with their guns and not bringing Tech back since it is a Star Wars production after 2020 and character deaths last as long as the writers' short term memory, then they just forget the character was fucking killed in the first place and revive them. Also loved the Senate episodes in season 2, especially episode 8. A shame they didnt have more memorable moments and peaks with 3 whole seasons but its still better than nothing
Filoni is so incompetent it's actually baffling
What I hate the most is that he retconned Dark Disciple Ventress death just for one episode where it was hinted that Omega might have some force connection that ended up being worth nothing. He said they'd explain how it fits in with Dark Disciple and didn't do jackshit lmfaoo. Also, him making that decision just stomped all over yet another book with another story, however criticized, had a better nuance than the show. He undid Ventress's intended character arc just so she lived on for one episode of the Bad Batch, stomping over the author's work and the ideas for a motif bait that ended up worth nothing.
I gotta disagree dude. Yeah, it has the pitfalls of all the disney shows, but Filoni hasn’t done horribly on everything
@@MoofT2 Yes he has
@@lukescrew1981 No
@@Misery7531 Yes
The Bad Batch should have focused on the clone rebellion, with actual hit-and-run missions against the Empire, giving the Rebel factions the time and training they needed to fight against the Empire before the formation of the Rebel Alliance. It could have given a story of how the Sith creating the clones was a double-edged sword as it did give them victory with Order 66 but the Jedi still inspired many of the clones to have an open mind, think, and understand what is worth fighting for.
100% spot on. The Bad Batch is the A-Team just for Star Wars. And without the cool-factor because it's not 80ies, so... yeah. Pretty mediocre what they did with the material.
They absolutely had that dumbass hand block bs cause they knew he was too op to be a main protagonist on this show.
Also screw them for what they did to Scorch. I've heard defenders of this show give stupid ass arguments to how he was handled, from "Oh he chose his side" (Which if we're going with the established rules in canon he has a chip and Hemlock has a goddamn brainwash machine in his base) and "It's your fault since you were excited when he showed up in season 1 so they included him again"
See you for Tales of the Empire's mediocrity. I'm excited simply for the fact I get to see Grievous, Thrawn, GI, and Vader in tcw s7 animation either for the first time or again, but it will probably be shit but I just don't care since that won't have any lasting impact on the star wars story and everyone will forget about it after a week.
The main problem was that they didn't understand or care about Scorch at all, they just wanted member berries and thought fans would enjoy seeing him despite his role making absolutely zero sense for his character. Like this isn't Scorch, they don't even say his name, they just gave his armor to some generic nobody clone. If anybody at least pretended to give a shit it would've been someone like Boss instead, with Scorch and Fixer being the other two commandos that follow him around. Like come on, despite that apparently the Bad Batch was inspired by Republic Commando, they obviously don't care about that game or Delta Squad at all. Otherwise they would have at least been the big boss they had to fight at the end, and not the lame ass discount Knights of Ren looking motherfuckers that did nothing the entire show. I also find it hilarious Not-Scorch gets taken out by the Bad Batch twice in the exact same way.
Honestly, I have a weird feeling that Tales of the Empire will actually be good. It’s definitely a feeling I haven’t felt since Andor, so we’ll see…
@@nagger8216 fans of the game need to get over the fact that it was just a cool visual reference and nothing more. No1 called him scorch in any moment and if u want to, u are free to believe it wasnt him, just some other guy in a similar armor.
Regarding the shaking hand. I was sure there was a deeper story behind it because hemlock also had a fckd up hand but NO ... lol.. just a random coincidence and its all in the head lol.....
@@boletop6204hemlock calls him commander scorch in season 3 episode 10
I’m late but I tried to watch tales of the empire when it came out and fell asleep on all 3 different watch sessions
Tech's death was handled poorly even from the S2 finale. It exposed a cowardly Hunter, only motivated by Omega kidnapped for the 4th time. It exposed spineless Wrecker since he agreed to the hiding plan. It exposed the rest of the team in treating him as less than a brother or squadmate, since they kept referring him in terms of his function to the mission as a whole. Whether as the decryptor, pilot, walking encyclopedia etc.
But personally, his death was the end of a character who _could_ have developed independent of Omega's orbit. The culture of Serenno, the race episode, the romantic tension with Phee. Crosshair could have had development, but that was dashed by S2 finale. In general, whatever new character traits the others may develop has always been sucked into black hole Omega's orbit, except for Tech.
Omega was always the point of the show, which is its biggest problem. It's not oriented to the bad batch, it's oriented to her. It's like how the mandalorian show just became the baby yoda show. Except this time, it's always been the baby yoda show in this case.
Remember back when the title crawl of New Hope said retrieving the Death Star plans was the first great victory of the Rebellion? Now that victory looks borderline tepid. Remember that time some random kids managed to bypass physical security measures to enter some tubes to get to a room that shouldn't have even been connected to said tubes, and then they released a monster from that room using a console that doesn't require any sort of authentication? Then that monster destroyed one of the most expensive research projects in the whole Empire?
I don't even understand why they made the decision to have Project Necromancer be destroyed when we know in the canon it was completed. So they did the same experiment twice? Why would you add that kind of redundancy to your story when you could just say Project Necromancer wasn't destroyed and thereby not completely neuter the Empire years before New Hope?
No. They just wanted to have some "consequence" to this entirely inconsequential finale.
Ive been complaining about this for a long time. Too many people are too quick to confuse audio/video polish for overall quality. The only metrics a lot of people seem to use to judge the media they consume is "does it look pretty" and "can it distract me for 5 minutes".
Im beyond sick of a deteriorating standards people have for what they consume. Worst of all, I'm sick of them attempting to play it off as though it doesn't matter. My brother in Christ, it's your time that garbage is eating up.
The show feels like a custody battle
It's important to remember that Disney is not a media company. They are a merchandise company and everything they do is in service to selling toys and merch.
They don't give a hoot about "storytelling", they only wanna sell you neat doodads. That's all their IPs mean to them. A source of doodads.
Andor
I like this show... and that's it, I wouldn't bother defending it cause I'm very well aware of its flaws but personally just enjoy it 🤷♂️
Yeah I’m quick to point out a bunch of things I didn’t like about it but at the end of the day I still do find the show enjoyable and I watch highlights and funny moments on youtube just cuz I like em
I’m surprised by 2 things this season.
1. Omega wasn’t actually force sensitive so that seemed like something Disney Starwars would do.
2. They actually killed Tech off instead of revealing that clone assassin they put so much attention on.
I kinda respect going against the wind in that respect since those are the obvious plot points.
Star Wars has lost so much interest that not even the writers seem to be interested
The cotton candy analogy was actually really good. I enjoyed watching this show but it definitely felt like more of a sitcom than an evolving story, I was coming back to it just to get my portion of sw sugar, not because I was genuinely interested or compelled by it
You mean Daddy’s beard
A cool direction they could've taken Crosshair this season is one that really focused on the distrust the other members of the Batch (Hunter more specifically) should've had toward him. It would've been interesting if Crosshair failing Omega acted as something that re-opened to healing wounds between him and the Batch and the final few episodes could've focused on an internal conflict relating to that. Like imagine that final standoff with Hemlock in the finale but instead of it being Hunter, Crosshair and Omega vs. Hemlock it was almost like a three way thing with it being more Hunter vs. Crosshair vs. Hemlock with Crosshair having to prove his worth in that moment of intense stress and emotion. Obviously the season/show and the finale had many more issues that were far larger but not creating internal conflict between the Batch and Crosshair feels like a MAJOR missed opportunity.
Had only seen the first season when it first came out and forgot about it
Then heard the show just ended and wondered if it was worth my time catching up 2 seasons to see what happens
Glad to know it’s mediocre without wasting 2 seasons of time
Thank you Sheev thank you 🤝
They definitely wanted it to be a 6 season monster of the week show like clone wars but with a tighter cast, then viewership wasn't good enough to sustain that so they had to wrap everything in one season
As someone pretty neutral on the show, all of its best moments were ones that were focused on the worldbuilding rather than the title characters. The Bad Batch have felt like edgy fan OCs since day 1, with their entire personalities visible from their designs and names, but the show did have moments of true greatness when it was showing local politics or the normal clones adapting to the empire
I feel like the entire reason Hunter is characterised as he is is they want to find a way to keep him alive but I don't care if he's alive as he's a block of wood
Every time a Disney Star Wars show comes out I come to appreciate Legends even more
One of the worst parts of Disney Star Wars shows is the Mandalorian-esque filler episodes where they go on a pointless quest to get X mcguffin as a bounty or whatever
For real, it baffles me that most people are giving the finale an 8/10 or above. The ending is straight up bad.
It was way more contrived than I imagined it would be.
It was bad enough having the Zilo beast in the same facility housing project necromancer so that this exact situation could happen to help Omega escape. They didn't even had counter measures to prevent its escape in case it broke free of its restrains.
And are we even supposed to believe that the BB can take on CX-2's squad of elite clones despite being outnumbered and severely wounded and mind-fucked?
CX-2 alone almost solos the BB when they're in top condition and here he just went down like he was nothing. I also personally found it stupid that they were ok with sacrificing 80% of the prisoners they rescued and that they left Rampart unsupervised which could have potentially screwed over Nala Se and Omega (if Rampart wasn't incompetent).
Also Hemlock for some reason, instead of taking Omega to a more populated area of the base or ask for more Commando reinforcements that we saw with him, he decided to isolate himself so that the Batch could rescue Omega.
Why even bring back Scorch throughout the 3 seasons if he doesn't have any of his character traits or personality? It's just key jangling for the sake of it (which worked for his cameo in Season 1 but I think he was misused after it). Also, goodbye any chance of Delta Squad being used in any future projects taking place after the Clone Wars, Scorch is super DEAD.
By far the worst finale of the 3 seasons.
They didn't resolve what happened to Cody or CX-2's identity, they never addressed Cid's betrayal after season 2 and she gets to walk scot free without consequences despite being the reason Omega gets captured TWICE.
This series is the epitome of wasted plotential. What a waste of time and talent of the animators in lackluster writing.
R.I.P. Scorch
Maybe, hear me out, people can like stuff you don't like. You didn't like this finale, that's fine, and others liked it, that's also fine.
Also we never got the reason why was omega created, why even try to create female clones.
We never got to find out whats with the clone rebellion and was it rly just 10 clones that got killed by clone x
We never got to find out whats the damn project necromancer in a bit more detail other than 'somehow palpatine cloned himself later on'
We didnt get to find out what ventress was doing and why did she even show up except it was a random easter egg cameo
Etc etc
The era and the whole premise of the show has SOOO much potential and i dont see the point of time-skiping it all and fast forwarding to the rebellion era. The first 5 years of the empire are the only unexplored era of star wars and it couldve been so damn cool, as we know from the few moments that were cool af , for example the episode with the separatist fortress etc. There were so many pieces of the prequels story that was left floating in the air that couldve all been explored and explained in BB but that just didnt happen.
Someone wrote somewhere that the show ending feels like when a live action show gets cancelled so they have to force the wrap up in the last episode.
@@casp512 I agree xister. I like Endgame and No Way Home despite them being badly written. My point is that the finale is bad regardless of if someone liked it or not. Not whatever it is you got from my comment.
@@omarrojo9484 Again, that is your opinion. But other people think it was good. And both of these opinions are completely fine.
Idk how it makes sense to say theres too much bad batch while also feeling that it lacks episodes.
I do think wrecker was more of a character than Hunter at least in scale because wrecker never seemed designed to be more than wholesome comic relief plot device.
Finally, I was losing my mind over how many people thought this show was great and how I wanted so much more than filler garbage. It had all the makings too, like you said it’s just a show where nothing real was accomplished
The “Riddled with mediocrity” Batch
To be honest, I liked that Hunter that Hunters stance was: "I dont want to fight the empire, because its a fight we cannot win and will only cost us." Unfortanetly this was never depicted well enough and it would have been more intersting if there were more Situation like with Tech. They go in as with X people and come out with X-1 people. Also im stil furious about the dealing with the Clones, the didn't show what happened to Wolffe, Cody, Howzer and absolutly disrespected Scorch, shame.
No matter your opinion onnthe show, you can agree that scorch got disrespected
This isn’t about others Clones. It is about THE BAD BATCH. Really only the bad batch. Not Rex, not the other Clones. Took me a while to see it myself.
That's the issue. The BB aren't interesting or likeable enough to carry a 3 season show, well, at least a good one. The show is at its best when the spotlight is taken by literally any other character (Senator Chuchi, the Syndullas, Rex, Slip, Mayday, CX-2, Cody, Crosshair, etc.). Rex is the one with an actual purpose and higher goal. Clones like Mayday, Slip and Howzer have actual internal conflicts and personalities. CX-2 is a mysterious and formidable antagonist that can beat the BB alone. The Batch are just cool action figures with no substance as characters (outside of Crosshair, tbf).
That is the issue with this series. That it revolves around the Bad Batch instead of revolving around actual characters.
@@omarrojo9484 I wouldn’t nessacarly say their characters are bad I think Echo is the best of them but they wasted his character. But TBB do just feel like a worse Delta Squad TBH. I don’t why it wasn’t a Delta Squad series instead. They have much more interesting characters and would’ve been cool to see what it was like for commandos post order 66 since we never got the final book.
Incorrect. It was all about Omega. Whatever ancillary traits or development CF99 had has always been in service to her character. Possibly the exception was Tech S2
@neocomp92 that is exactly correct. The entire show is just centered around her and her alone, and the one character with any development that wasn't tied around her was tech, who literally died.
This is the equivalent of how the mandalorian tv show became the baby yoda show, except if it was always like that from the start.
I peaced out at the end of season 2. The series is just one big filler, it doesn't have that much plot and it spends most of its time looking for the plot. Looking for a conflict to resolve. Every single time they find something that could resemble conflict, they immediately get sent on a side quest. Here's a side quest to your side quest. Good to know they never changed that formula for the entire season 3 run.
Sheev is an incredibly fun review-tuber!
I also add that Omega did not even react Kaminoan who brought her up for so many years, sacrificed herself so the empire wouldn't get hands on the research data and technology.
There are some good moments in this show but the lack of care to bring everything to satisfying conclusion, half-baked character arcs or lack of them is quite frustrating.
I really thought we would see the rebelled clones organizing the attack on Tantis with Rex and other clones who appeared in one of the missions and let him go. Bizarre.
Feel like this show would’ve been off to a better start if the Bad Batch had stayed with the Empire for at least the first season, exploring the transition from The Republic to The Empire, and then have them leave in its final. They could even do it where Tech’s death is caused due to imperial incompetency and the Empire treats it with absolute apathy, causing them to leave the empire where they join with Rex and his clone underground.
Project Necromancer?
Project Were the badguy
Project SUPERWEAPON
Project MEGADOOM
Project SPOOKY PLAGUE
Project BIG BAD PRISON
Project JEDI KILLER DEVICE
I agree with nearly everything you said (and I’m 100% a Bad Batch fan). You basically summarized all my frustrations with this series into a single video. Season One set up so much potential and as usual Disney wasted it. It’s unfortunate.
Thank you for wasting our time again Filoni.
He didn't do season 3
Dave Filoni: “it’s what I do.”
It literally says in the credits “created by Dave Filoni” it’s his stupid show!
@Wade_Tyler he created the concept of the show but season 3 itself isn't written or directed by him
@@CRYSTAL_CUSTOMS At the end of the day, it’s still a Filoni show, just like Star Wars Resistance.
can’t believe some stranger on the internet explained my exact feelings towards this show. bravo sheev
I’ve been more excited for this video than the show lol
Same honestly
Same here 😊
Same. The first thing I though at the end of the episode was "Oh, boys, I can't wait to hear Sheev tear it apart".
@@chasehedges6775why do you have to include a dumb emoji
@@chasehedges6775 emojis are dumb
If the show was named "Omega and the Bad Batch" or just "Omega", and the writers focused on just her without any pretensions of writing an ensemble, the show would be just one season long. Only she mattered. And what was her journey, a naive girl turned soldier against an evil Empire? That's barely beyond elementary for a hero's journey.
I always enjoy Sheev’a videos, specially the visual editing. :)
honestly was hoping to know more about the clone insurgents and what Rex and his shenanigans might lead up to, but yeah that wasnt what we got
still an okay show imo, just tell a friend to not expect much and they might enjoy it more than i did lol, oh and tell them its a kids show hahaha
My favourite part was when Hunter said, "Welp, I guess I've been Hunted"
Crosshair may not be a good character, but his theme is amazing. That’s enough for me.
After finishing Bad Batch I come to conclusion that Star Wars as media can’t grow, it always goes in one endless circle.
Its stories always stuck at one period, having to bow down to sequal and og movies with Death Star and now project necromancer. I doubt we will actually move beyond Skywalker, Empire vs Rebels stuff. It always will be same, incompetent bad empire/empire larpers vs good underdog guys. Even Andor is cursed because we know how it ends, and finale showcase of DS is pointless since we know how these stories end.
There no new ideas, no new concepts. Star Wars moves in circle, trying to connect everything Marvel style.
You know here is a thought that occoured to me recently.Why does Hemlock even need omega to begin with? He already Has Emry. Who is Omega's sister. At no point does the show even bring up the idea that soeone even tested Emry to see if she was force sensitve/had an M-count. Which...there really isn't a reason she wouldn't be force sensitive if Omega is. Logically speaking,Hemlock shouldn't of needed Omega cause Emry was willing and loyal from the start. But the show never adressed this most likley beacuse it could of created a big plot hole. But it's one of those things that once you think about it, you can't stop thinking about.
OMG that is a big point.
You and I are on the same wavelength on this show. I feel like I have been going mad with everyone singing it’s praises
This show was "Cool Helmets: The Show"
this franchise is to the point that the clonewars art style itself is being used as key jangling. actually pathetic.
Not to mention what they did to scorch.
I like how they all returned to Pabu like nothing had happened and no Imperial forces there, like have they forgot that going there is risky and the Empire would expect them to be there, also the incompetence with the Empire to not track or follow them, or find them on Pabu or go to Pabu first before them, and yet they stayed there hidden for years? Pabu should of been the Empires first priority to go to, honestly I hope if ever the Bad Batch returns, hope they all finally die because they gotten too old now and they need to go on one last journey at some point maybe, maybe help find Omega because shes gone missing or something, so yeah
This other comment is my thoughts on the series as a whole being a waste of interesting things to explore:
Bad Batch could have been from the beginning about Rex and Clone Rebellion. Not the occasional meaty plot episodes separated by tons of pointless bounty hunting mission episodes or getting dragged into a conflict by Omega's carelessness and naivety instead of the crew having their own agency or a treasure hunting mission where they don't even get the treasure at the end.
The best episodes of the Bad Batch are the ones were they aren't even in them (or berely feature in).
What a waste of a series that takes place in the most interesting time of the saga. They should have gone with the "Star Wars: Dark Times" tone and bleakness.
Even in S2 they could have made a dynamic with Cody and Crosshair where Crosshair becomes more fanatic and ruthless while Cody grows more disillusioned and questioning about order 66 and the Empire as the season progresses and then reaching a breaking point where Cody leaves and that becomes a wake up call for Crosshair instead of having Cody disappear after just one episode.
They also could have focused on Rex's struggle to start a Clone Rebellion while showing the loyal clones' views on the transition from republic to empire and having to put up with the new TK Troopers (which they also fumbled at with Crosshair's squad and Rampart and other Empire officers just being generic evil officer archetype) and the new Empire's questionable ethics.
They could have had Cody and Rex as duo protagonists on opposing sides or have it be a connected anthology series on how the new Empire impacts Civilian, Clone, Jedi and Separatist life. The potential was there and it was for the most part totally wasted with the exception of episodes that actually included this themes that I mentioned which end up being the best the seires has to offer.
Characters like Cody, Howzer, Slip, Mayday, Rex, Echo (after ditching the BB to actually do something), Crosshair (specially his change of heart in S2) , Senator Chuchi are way more endearing than Hunter or Wrecker because they actually have purpose and bring interesting conflict to the table.
Biggest fumble in Star Wars history (plotential wise) since Kenobi and the sequels trilogy.
This is a hot take, but I honestly found Emerie more interesting than Omega. What were your thoughts on Emerie, especially in relation to Hunter and Wrecker? Did you feel she contributed to the series, serving some purpose and bringing some interesting conflict to the table? How about Nala Se?
@@darthnicholas8528 Hunter and Wrecker are basically non entities when it comes to being interesting so yeah, Emerie was more interesting and had more character development than the actual main characters. I personally find it dumb that Emerie of all individuals is the single person that has a slice of sympathy for the children than any of the other human scientists when she should have grown without emotions (but then again, we can attribute her change of heart due to her relationship with Omega). But yeah, I liked her a little, even if I don't really buy her character arc.
Nala Se was also ok, I guess. Trying to get revenge for Kamino was ok, and having actual sympathy for Omega was a nice change from basically sending Fives to his dead. They both are ok, nothing really to write home about. Maybe they'll do something interesting with Emerie in a future series if we're lucky.
I think a Clone Underground show featuring Rex, Echo, Emerie, Wolffe, Gregor, etc. still has the potential to be great, with the right writers on board, of course. Despite having less screen time overall, it amazed me how much more interesting Rex’s Clone Underground were in two whole episodes this season than Clone Force 99, with the exception of Crosshair, were in most of The Bad Batch. Having The Bad Batch just be a clone-centric anthology series set right after Revenge of the Sith and possibly extending into the Original Trilogy era, devoted to exploring the mindsets of both Imperial and anti-Imperial clones, would have been so much better. Or even changing the series by having the entire Batch serve as Imperial commandos for the entirety of Season 1 before gradually becoming disillusioned with the Empire would be equally preferable. I enjoyed The Bad Batch overall, but there were so many missed opportunities, even more so than TCW!
Getting back to my previous comment, I think Emerie still has loads of potential, which I would absolutely love to see, and the prospect of seeing her story continue in either a future show, novel, or comic series excites me way more than the prospect of seeing a Rebellion-era story centered around Omega.
Also, if you’re into comics and looking for more Imperial clone content, there’s a great Legends comic from an otherwise substandard series (Empire #13) which does a superb job diving into the headspace of a Fett clone stormtrooper (TK-622) during the time of A New Hope. Interestingly, the Empire series also features a Rebel Fett clone (Able), whose story continues in the Rebellion series, which I haven’t finished yet and find decent so far. If you read Empire #26, you can see where they got the design for the homeless clone in Kenobi.
I kinda liked Nala Se’s sacrifice, too, but I don’t think I can ever forgive her for the way she treated Fives.
@@darthnicholas8528 For real, watching CX-2 raid Rex's hideout in episode 7/8 made me feel so much more tense because I didn't know if Howzer, Nemec and Fireball were gonna make it. Same can be said about Slip and Senator Chuchi in Season 2. Side characters In the Bad Batch have more things at stake, conflicts and more purpose than the actual main characters it's actually embarrassing when you think about it from a writers standpoint.
Crosshair was the only standout out of the Batchers throughout the series and he's barely used in seasons 1 and 2.
Here's to hope that the actual next series of the Clone Rebellion actually presents things of substance with actual characters. What insults me the most is that they brought back my goat Cody and did nothing with him and that they used Scorch only to kill him without bringing anything to the table.
@@omarrojo9484
SLIGHT SPOILER WARNING for paragraph 2, regarding the Republic/Imperial Commando book series, but nothing major or surprising.
It’s like Dave Filoni commissioned the writers to create a series around George Lucas’s OC Delta Squad knockoffs (which they are), but the writers were actually more interested in exploring the fate of the clones as a collective. I wouldn’t be surprised if Filoni, who had only one writing credit on the series (and it was as a co-writer for the very first episode), forced the writers to backtrack on their ideas and insert a bunch of tensionless childish side quests instead. Imagine all the Crosshair episodes we could’ve gotten in place of the Cid episodes. If the writers were clearly as interested in the Batch, not including Crosshair, as they were with the side characters, they would’ve spent more time providing compelling character work for the Batch and not treating most of them like an afterthought in those filler episodes. I can only imagine how simultaneously relieved and frustrated the writers were to let Echo join Rex’s Clone Underground and not be able to show enough of his involvement with them.
I kind of wish Nemec survived, since he had at least some personality and character.
The death of Scorch alone makes the finale lose a star. Speaking of which, even an Imperial commando show centered on the surviving members of Delta Squad and their noob squad mate would’ve been more interesting than The Bad Batch. In 501st: An Imperial Commando Novel, the last novel of Karen Traviss’s canceled Republic/Imperial Commando series, we get some insight into how the surviving members of Delta Squad, especially Scorch, were coping with the loss of Sev. What was disappointing about that book is we never got to see Delta Squad in action, like we did in the previous Republic Commando books, and we didn’t gain enough insight into their adjustment with their new squad mate. That alone would’ve been fresh territory ripe for the taking for a post-ROTS Delta Squad show. 501st: An Imperial Commando Novel, along with its predecessor Order 66: A Republic Commando Novel, both had misleading titles, as the former didn’t feature Order 66 until close to the very end and the latter didn’t feature enough Imperial clone commando action to warrant its title. Sons of Skirata would have been a better title, albeit a less marketable one, for the Republic/Imperial Commando series, which I still enjoyed a lot, but I digress. Now, I have seen some theories on Twitter/X that Scorch may have survived his fall, as there appears to be a clone commando model resembling Scorch in the background of the final scene on Mount Tantiss after Tarkin’s arrival. However, all I can rely on at this point is speculation.
Continuing on with Delta Squad, I really wish we saw an arc or two from them in TCW instead of its Bad Batch arc (which also rank among my least-favorite Bad Batch episodes IMO despite belonging to a different show), especially since they were wasted in a brief nothing cameo. Apparently, the Bad Batch is what you get when you pitch the idea of a clone commando arc to George Lucas: “Boooring! Let’s do The Dirty Dozen instead.” As Dave Filoni mentioned at a Q&A panel from Star Wars Celebration 2015, George Lucas had the final say when it came to doing elite special forces clone arcs. This was back when the Bad Batch was still an unfinished, yet watchable arc, one of George’s last contributions to Star Wars. Of course, very few changes were made to the Season 7 version. And speaking of elite special forces clones, I thought CX-2 would’ve put up more of a fight against the Batch in the finale, but I guess it is what it is, and he was still a great addition to the show.
I do wish we got more of Cody, too, since not even TCW gave him the love he deserved and underused him in favor of Rex at times.
Have you read the Republic Commando books and the first and only Imperial Commando book? If so, what are your thoughts on the series as a whole and the main clone characters in particular (Omega Squad and Null ARC Ordo AKA one of the original defect clones)? I know Sheev Talks is a big fan of those books and even recommended them in a Twitter/X post. He even prefers Omega Squad to Delta Squad.