Why All The HATE on Spider-Man KEEPING The NEW Anti-Venom Suit in Marvel's Spider-Man 2?
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
- Why All The HATE on Spider-Man KEEPING The NEW Anti-Venom Suit in Marvel's Spider-Man 2?
With Marvel's Spider-Man 2 having shown us how Peter got the Anti-Venom suit thanks to Mr.Negative aka Martin Li and Miles working together thus cleansing the Symbiote inside Peter and allowing him to keep it without it affecting him, the community has been left questioning if this is the right thing to do and is Peter now too overpowered to keep it? The story implications with the symbiote themes and how it deals with addiction and power has people thinking that Spider-Man's character arc regressed with him getting another symbiote without those drawbacks but I personally think it serves the story perfectly.
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Unlike Anti Ock, Anti Venom made sense to have an edge over Venom, plus it allowed the players to keep the symbiote powers
*Like Anti Ock and Anti venom was nerfed af in this game. Peter should have absolutely destroyed Harry with Anti venom even if he was holding back
@@xnortheast1106Agreed.
@@xnortheast1106So…you want the game to be 50% of what it already is?
@@purrito3822 Elaborate it's not 50% of anything
@@xnortheast1106 If he could just instantly go dilly dally and randomly end an alien apocalypse then clearly people would only complain more.
I heard people say the Anti Venom symbiote being embedded within Peter’s white spider symbol could allow him to keep the classic red and blue, which I don’t think is a bad idea.
dude he can legit just make it change into another suit
@@Retrorezzie fr
@@Retrorezzie Web of Shadows style!
I wish he just kept it in the symbol on his back, and in the next game, whenever he used an attack like antivenom punch, it would emerge from his back to allow it to make more sense
But can his symbiote change colour?
I think it's brilliant for three reasons:
1. It continues the Insomniac trend of using familiar faces in different ways. It doesn't have to be the exact same as other Spider-Man media, and that is one of the reasons why I love this game.
2. It balances Miles and Peter gameplay-wise. Without Anti-Venom, Peter just has the Spider Arms, and as cool as they are, they cannot stack up to Miles' two different types of bioelectricity. Playing Peter would just be dull and boring.
3. It represents Peter's journey through the Symbiote arc. The Anti-Venom Symbiote shows that Peter has finally let go of his suffering after, in the space of a few years, losing Aunt May, his best friend (twice now), saving the city over and over again with no regard for his health, sacrificing his relationships and the trials of Venom upon his soul. It is probably not the best explanation, but I tried. This also gives Insomniac an excuse for Peter to power back up, since his abilities are mainly based on his emotions and stress, finally let go.
Personally, I think they should let him keep it. Harry should have his Symbiote cells revived in a similar fashion to Anti-Venom except black so he can be Agent Venom.
Additionally, my take on why he was so weak in the game was because of the stress of ten painful years of being Spider-Man with no help but Aunt May, an on-and-off MJ and Harry (who left for a while). Anti-Venom, as explained before, is a culmination of that plus him moving on.
I agree 100%!
I really want to give anti venom to Harry. If it happened green goblin wouldn't exist in the 3
@@lazy_guy_2525 But that wouldn't make sense from a gameplay perspective. If Peter does come back, having just the iron arms would be kinda wasteful. Letting him keep anti-venom would give us the symbiote abilities back. That's just my opinion anyway
They're gonna let him keep it.@@regalsamyt1849
@@regalsamyt1849antivenom is gone tho u see that in the mission
I just wish we could see Peter have more time with the anti venom suit to see him flex his muscles and display more feats because it's said in the game that with the suit his stronger and it deals more damage against the symbiotes but overall I think Pete has and should keep the anti venom symbiote
For sure, seeing him practice and figure out how the suit works would be awesome.
@@iVoltexYT
I mean, he didn't really need to practice using Anti-Venom since it's basically just the black suit without the drawbacks. Honestly, the black suit was already Peter's "practice".
@@iVoltexYTi highly agree with you plus miles was stronger than pete before he got the venom/ anti venom, now they are equal
honestly i think the game could have more content of him practing and figuring it out how BOTH symbiote and antivenom suit works. Peter doesn't even get to understand/explain why he still need his web shooters with symbiote.. more 5 or 6 hours would make a great story @@iVoltexYT
but he could go to dr connors to have some experiments made on his new suit, how it works, its weaknesses and all that. @@Joker-dn5xs
I reckon it should be but the problems are is that cutscenes better not only have the anti venom suit and let us have our own suits. But it makes sense why he's weaker than Milles, he's overextended he is just tired, but it's a good plot device.
I hope we can have our own suits in the cutscenes just with the tendrils
@@iVoltexYT on the white parts of the suit yes
He isn’t miles is canonically stronger stop making excuses
@@hotmcfly9247yes he is, but Peter is more experienced, I didn't word it properly before. The anti venom suit is a plot device to make peter and miles on the same level. But this is off topic I just want to wear cool suits in cutscenes
I love that he gets to keep it. He constantly makes sacrifices for others with no thanks whatsoever only to be regarded as the problem. In a sense, it's the culmination of all the good things he has done for others.
Honestly I've always wanted a storyline where Peter gets a symbiote suit where he is actually just happy with the Symbiote & it doesn't just ruin his life.
It's nice to see Peter get a power up that's permanent that puts him on par with miles. I genuinely hope he keeps the Symbiote.
+ antivenom is just cool & it's upsetting that he's underutilized in the comics. It's nice that Insomniac gave him purpose outside of just being destroyed because of the narrative needing to go back to the status quo.
Same! I hate how Peter in the comics always tries to see the best in everyone and thing but for symbiotes specifically he's always ready to essentially destroy them even tho it's shown wit the proper person they can be forces for good just not Spider-Man for some reason
Literately the only thing that can ruin it is a spider outbreak
Its not like he couldnt remodel the symbiote to mimic is original costume while keeping the anti-symbiote powers ,he also doesnt need web shooter fluid anymore as the symbiote produces it ,its actually awesome for pete.
He’s not keeping it promise u that he doesn’t need it an he isn’t on par with miles he just can kinda keep up that’s it
I think he'll still use the advanced suit and only use the anti-venom suit whenever he uses symbiote surge
For sure
@@spooderman1048web of shadows u can switch whenever
That’s pretty much how I play as Peter: change the suit to any of the others but keep the symbiote powers
I like that the suit is like a reward almost for all his kindness and good actions in the past. It’s his philosophy of second chances through Martin Li that allows him to get powerful and beat venom so I definitely don’t think it was handed to him
I don't mind either. I would be happy if he kept the Anti Venom suit. But Peter should have some kind of cool abilities otherwise Miles will be more fun and too op. Gotta have balance
I think he might give Harry the Anti Venom suit since Harry is in a coma and the chance of him surviving are slim.
Exactly! I'm thinking it too
He can't give the symbiote to Harry. It isn't like other symbiotes where they are alive and separate entities that need hosts to live. Anti-Venom isn't inteligent and can't separate from the host, as it was born from what was left of Venom inside Peter, and is part of Peter's white blood cells. It's an extension of himself.
@@nofacedgoldfish6216 so looks like Peter is stuck with it permanently I suppose. Then how will Harry survive?
@@Shahriyararin63 Pieces of Venom may still be in his body, similar to how Peter was. Or he may just wake up, as that isn't impossible, just that the chances are almost none. Which, typically in stories mean they will wake up in the most dramatic way possible. So he will likely wake up and find out his dad is killing people as the Green Goblin.
@@nofacedgoldfish6216 and he becomes Hobgoblin? I mean it should be possible since the Anti Venom suit can't come to Harry
My interpretation of the narrative wasn’t that Peter was necessarily weak, just he was holding back and off his game
Def holding back
Definitely off his game I feel like thats why he struggled so much more than Miles
Miles actually had his head in the game
If that makes sense
His abilities are determined by his stress and emotion. The events leading up to the game - ten years of pain - would probably have had an effect on him, especially during and since the first game. As a result, his powers would have been weaker, but the Anti-Venom Symbiote is a symbol of him moving on from that, as shown by his massive power-up in the Venom fight.
@@regalsamyt1849 I don’t know what the last boss fight was saying… You beat venom then he’s beating you in the cutscene. I hate when games do that. Just make it an unwinnable fight 🤷🏾♂️.
@@jpduval8 Some of us are just that good, like you, obviously. But the cutscene has to follow the narrative, and we cannot forget that Peter was new to his powers and Venom was very much powered up due to the meteorite (I think), and he was very angry, too.
Also the Anti Venom origin making it a full-fledged but purified symbiote is a very fresh and appreciated take on it, remember that Pete was fully covered and taken over by the symbiote when Miles and Lee went into his mind to save him
Also the symbiotes bond at a *sub-cellular level* Dr Connors said, ain't no way they are getting rid of that
@MirOmran
the only thing I dislike about anti-vemon suit it has no personality, which makes the most boring way to do a symbiote.
@@chongwillson972alternate universe could have him taming the symbiote since ur just amplifies you. Dark emotions are 3x stronger and harder to contain so hed need to become like a zen monk to master it vs just no personality and power only. Also mj would lose her purpose if he had antivenom as a soulmate lol.
Let him keep it!
IT MAKES HIM A BETTER SPIDERMAN!
With none of the drawbacks Venom had!
Pete's anti-venom powers were more earned than miles invisibility and electric powers
Edit: i'm not saying it needs to be earned, i'm criticizing the people that don't like anti-venom Pete cause of that. I bring this up cause in the beginning of the video he says "people don't like it cause he was handed to him on a silver platter"
I agree miles didnt earn them he just had them
That's fair but that was always the case for Miles
@@iVoltexYT I would still say Pete's anti-venom's ability stays true to the character. Pete's spider powers came at the price of uncle Ben and Pete's anti-venom's ability came at the price of Harry.
@@disguy3232 Well neither is true. Peter's Spider powers were not the result of uncle Ben dying. It's just the reason he's spider-man. Anti-Venom isn't given to him in exchange for Harry either. He gets both before either dies.
@@kurosaki987 if you want to get technical yes. But the narrative implication is that's the price. Across the spider-verse pretty much mentions that
The power scaling in this game is awful. Peter seemed much stronger in SM1 compared to SM2. Seems like they really weakened my boy down to make Miles shine a bit, and maybe to emphasis strength gain during the symbiote storyline.
You can say Peter has been going through a lot but it still doesn't make up for the fact that this Spidey's an experienced, but still took deliberate hits sometimes even when he could've avoided them easily.
Idk if this is relates but they also made Pete a bit less muscular than he was in SM1.
Power scaling only works for anime/manga characters not comic book characters. Peter was “weak” because he was so tired having to balance his double life after all this time and that fatigue was on display during his outings as Spider-Man hence why he chooses to take a bit of a break at the end of the game
@@Not_My_Policy And if the insomniac spider man velocity comic had anything to say about it, those time he gets to take a break lasts about a 3 days at best.
I think if they want to get rid of it, they can give the anti symbiote to Harry to save him without the evil rage the regular symbiote has.
They can't, it isn't possible
The anti venom is permanently connected to its host you dunce 🤦
@@jds8438youre the dunce mate
@@jds8438 he said if they wanted to get rid of it. They can easily make it not permanent as this isn't the comics
I love your perspective on the suit. This video really turned around how I felt about him having it going forward.
Symbiotes have always been a big part of Spider-Man in general so the fact that it’s now literally a part of Peter I feel like is poetic
It also just makes Peter unique and the fact that he has the counter weapon against one of his greatest villains is also a nice touch
First Marvel character to ever wear a symbiot, just for that he deserves to have one without the usual weakness
I agree with you mostly but peter is ABSOULUTELY not weaker then miles. Miles had to be given venom in the comic books to be on par with normal Spiderman and the fact alone that he was able to hold a roller coaster track while also holding the cart long enough for harry to help him is very impressive.
Peter is definitely way more powerful than Miles in the comics but this isn't the comics. In the universe the game takes place in it's kinda obvious he is weaker than Miles
This aint the comics
@@redram6080 hard disagree, Peter wiped the sinister six by himself while Miles struggled to fight rhino. Let’s not also forget miles got whooped by kraven and Peter had to fight kraven and save miles.
Peter is definitely stronger than miles but miles has balance in his life, that’s why miles is able to shine. Peter struggled with many different things in this game such as dealing with the loss of aunt may, slowly losing his best friend, etc. this loss and self doubt made Peter weak in moments where miles had to carry the extra weight.
This game gave miles his moments to shine but now Peter has balance in his life + super symbiote powers with no weakness.
in terms of dlc with carnage and spider-man 3, miles will need to call big bro out of his retirement to come handle the green goblin and carnage.
I do believe the anti-venom suit should be kept honestly. Other than the “gameplay-wise” aspect of balancing the powers between peter and miles. This gives us a difference between insomniac spidey and the 616/ other variants spideys. Keep in mind, 616 Spidey has this hatred for the symbiotes and we don’t really see a kept symbiote between most spidermen besides gwen. Having this anti-venom is probably our first Symbiote kept Spidey and Anti-Venom especially. (I don’t really consider venomverse since really whoever read that comic line knows what happened)
What happened in venomverse?
Honestly i think its really cool,sets him apart from other spider-men plus symbiote powers are really fun playing with
It doesn’t tho everyone’s had it
U slow
@@hotmcfly9247 ur slow
Man i hope he keeps it, it's super fun to have a canon symbiote peter
Pete deserves to keep the Anti-Venom suit. Also they made it clear in the game that they can't actually detach a symbiote easily(which is why Dr Connors wanted to destroy it, the bond was inseparable) Miles and Pete teaming up managed to remove it with immense difficulty, but this Anti-Venom symbiote doesn't even seem to have any of the weaknesses to sound or electricity(it is infused with Miles' electricity too) so there's no plot-wise way they could remove it, nor should they, gameplay-wise and lore-wise it wouldn't even make sense that the biggest hero in Marvel shouldn't get to keep a power-up that makes his job easier and enhances his life
They also can’t remove it because it’s permanently bonded to Peter and it isn’t a separate entity
Honestly i wish that peter had more tech instead of having the anti-venom
It's kinda fun to think about what tech peter would make to be as strong as having a symbiote
Then go play the 1st Spiderman game.
@@coolproducts5655 it doesn't have miles in it 😔
I’m saying tho peter was op asf in the first game because of his gadgets, he used his intelligence and his powers to beat his enemies
@@kingofthe313 YES
WHERE IS THAT NOW
😭
@@PhonyFox_A Hopefully they go back to peter being tech savvy in the third game. he was a mix of classic spider-man and superior spider-man in the first game
I think keeping it contradicts the whole point of why he shouldn't have kept the Venom symbiote. Having extra powers doesn't make him a better Spider-Man. It's an extreme cop-out to have Peter struggle with controlling himself against a symbiote to the point that he HAD to let go of the insecurities that it hooked onto, and then receive a new one that conveniently has no personality problems just so it comes across like Peter isn't as strong as Miles without getting an upgrade. Peter has never needed Miles or a symbiote to defeat Venom before. This plotline just makes him look weak on his own, like his experience, strength, and skills aren't enough.
Anti-Venom works as a plot device to provide powers to someone who doesn't already have any, like Eddie or Flash, but making it the crutch that Peter needs in order to be relevant is insulting to the character. Peter didn't even do anything to gain it, since it was Miles and Li who unlock it. It's no reward, just another way in which Miles became the hero in the last act and Peter became his sidekick.
Theme wise the point of Anti venom in the story is to show that Peter has made peace with his dark side. Unlike the black suit that put all his repressed thoughts on full display
And honestly I love it for that since I truly believe Peter should have made peace with the black suit a long time ago
The black suit doesn’t make you evil it’s a symbiote after all. But it does put all your repressed feelings on full display. It knows you better then you know yourself
The suits abilities ties towards peters idea of trying to help everyone and anti-venom's healing ability helps peter achieve that in addition to buffing his pre-existing abilities.
Exactly
I think the game focuses not on Peter being a better Spider-Man because of the anti-venom suit, but more on how much your mental health can change your physically ability, not only did he get the suit, but he was able to move on from aunt mays death, thus becoming a more able Spider-Man
I like that the anti venom suit was in the game because it was a good way to keep the symbiote abilities after beating venom.
Gwen in the comics has had a symbyote since the end of her first solo run and it has not caused any issues since.
In my opinion, Peter SHOULD keep the Anti-Venom suit permanently because it will make the Insomniac version of Peter Parker's Spiderman fresh and unique. By taking it away, it's just going to be a normal Peter Parker we have seen a lot of times. Also, it's not like they are making Peter Parker/Spiderman so different of a character that it's not even recognizable. Even though he has the Anti-Venom symbiote, he's still going to be the Peter Parker we all know and love.
but whats the point though? peter is taking a hiatus from being Spider-man and having anti-venom on him would only serve to give his enemies something to counter
@@wintertrooper7918nah
@@wintertrooper7918he isn’t taking no hiatus by the third game he won’t be Spider-Man permanently so he’ll die or retire
@hotmcfly9247 he literally closes to do that in the end of the 2nd game
Imo i think pete keeping anti venom n it being his suit from now on is awesome. spidey is my favorite hero n when miles came on the scene it was obvious tht he was stronger than pete power wise i always used peter lifting tht giant metal beam while he was in a underwater base as to say he is stronger than miles but him keeping anti venom makes it clear they r equals now or pete is a little stronger than miles. experience had nothing on miles this entire game im sorry miles handled peter n handled business like a real spiderman while peter was slipping him keeping anti venom is the best for him n i want him to keep it. i think it would be cool to see how this peter with anti venom grows n maybe his kids could get a little piece little mayday venom
100%
Ong
Honestly I love it! I love Insomniac's interpretation of these stories because they're not like anything we've seen before. I don't care that they're not like the movies, shows, or comics, I love them because they are their own story. I wasn't very familiar with Kraven or Mr. negative before these games, and instead of looking them up I let the games tell me their stories and I love them! These games are made by fans for fans, and I trust Insomniac! Now if Peter dies I will be extremely upset and maybe think twice about playing future Spider-Man game, but in the meantime #InInsomniacWeTrust! 😁😁😁❤️💙🕷️🕸️
Now I have a question, is antivenom connected specifficaly with Piter or with his suit? We could see scenes where he just took off his mask like it was a normal suit so is it really impossible for him to lose it or give it to someone?
He can’t give it to someone because it’s not a separate entity. It doesn’t have a mind of its own so it’s permanent bonded to Peter
The only thing i dont like about the anti-venom suit is that its never fully explained. He has all the buffs of a symbiote with none of the withdrawal but that yellow glow he would use on the symbiote isnt fully explained other than "symbiotes are weak to it", idk its just really weird and while i like the idea i dont think it was pulled off well especially since we dont know if peter wants to keep the suit or not or if he is keeping it at all. I think it would be cool if peter tries to experiment with his symbiote trying to get it off him safely to try and give to harry later on, but i also like what you said that the suit will help him stand out, all i hope is that in dlc's they flesh out the suit more than symbiote but lobotomized 😂
I think it’s that people want peter without the symbote to prove he can stay equal to miles or fight venom or beat kraven
As peter in the game seems like he is lacking due to all the stuff on his mind and in his life
And kinda needs the symbote venom or anti venom as a crutch to even be relevant
As some think miles is stronger because he can fight black suit peter ignoring all the context that if the fight was actually legitimate miles would have lost
As without the bell and peter holding back or being conflicted miles wouldn’t have stood a chance
Still it’s just a fact people want peter by himself to prove he is strong enough and doesn’t need a symbote to say beat say a evil miles or venom or kraven
As the whole point is peter and miles are equals as Spider-Man
Aka both are capable of beating the other in a fight regardless of who has what
And people think peter needs a symbote to be equal or better then miles and without it he seems weaker or would lose to miles and thus less relevant
As people just feel as if peter without the suit was shown as to weak overall or not as strong as even miles without it
Personality I think if miles didn’t have his extra powers Peter would be better then miles definitively even without symbote given peter should have more raw strength and overall durability compared to miles and they are relative in speed plus is smarter more experienced and more skilled then miles
Where miles with his extra powers is just objectively the more powerful of the 2, and that keeps him in the game where if he didn’t have them he would be under peter
Again it’s just a fact peter should still be able to beat Miles without a symbote and vis versa
And people thinking miles fighting symbote peter means he stomp peter without same with people saying kraven thinking he kills peter without it given he needed it to beat kraven, or anti venom to even fight, it which I don’t think was the intention that he actually needs them as much as they make it easier for him to fight then if he didnt have them
As I think he could be equal to miles without it, I think he could beat Kraven without it, and I think he could hold his own in a fight with venom assuming he is well equipped for a fight with him
It’s not far off as people think
The problem is the game shows peter in a light that makes him seem as if without the symbote he be fodder to the likes of venom or miles or even kraven
Which I don’t think was insomniac intention but that’s how it comes off
Very true
@@iVoltexYT just want to clarify if it’s everything I said or only some of what I said that you think is true
I think it's a good explanation in how age can affect anyone's ability. Just talking and jasm biological but age when it comes to... Responsibility. Peter had a lot distracting him during his game and honestly I don't blame him, he lost Aunt May. That crushed him and a whole different kind of way than losing Uncle Ben. Peter tried so hard in the first game and he saved so many people, but he lost the person he cared for the most and you know Peter blames himself for it. Those kind of life changes really can impact the person, I wouldn't be surprised if Peter was going through depression but hiding it because he has to be the friendly neighborhood. Spider-Man. By the end of the game, I think Peter learned how to balance his life with his responsibility that Spider-Man as well as regained his interest in helping others through science. I see Peter being a lot more responsible with the anti-venom suit and he may not even use it all the time, he may find a way to store it and only activate it when it's really needed. I think what we we need to remember is that this is an ongoing story and there's so much more to tell. From a gamer's perspective, I love playing anti-venom in the post game, it's a blast.
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I'm not reading all of that
I can't wait till NG+ and the additional features requested by the fans hit early 2024!! Being able to change the time of day plus change color of the tendrils is a huge W! I can't wait to use the black symbiote tendrils with the black symbiote rage once again when this update comes out! I absolutely love Marvel's Spiderman 2!
i still want the blue and red as the "default" but you can still change it and keep it for ALL of the cutscenes and venom surge
Idk why people are complaining about the anti venom suit. I mean, this is probably the first time we see Venom, but not Eddie. And this seems like a huge change, yet it was still good
I don't mind it I think it's cool I always used to wish Peter went back to like reconcile with the symbiote in the comics just for one moment.
this is kind of something I wouldn't mind it's not really venom but he gets to keep all the symbiot powers and abilities and it keeps him up relatively equal to miles I like it
True true
I just hope we can go in a direction where there aren't plot holes. The anti venom suit is basically the symbiote without the weakness. So going forward does that mean Peter now has symbiote level healing factor? I hope they don't nerf his anti venom down essentially
Unless they come up with a reasonable and compelling motive as to why he gets rid of it, I hope he keeps it
We still have Carnage to deal with
It would’ve been better if Peter had a role to play in the creation of the Anti-venom suit. Like him cloning a symbiote sample and Mr. Negative and Miles using their powers to break the connection to the hive mind. Upon replay, we don’t see Peter be a good Spider-Man during the game, he gets beat up, taken over, and didn’t provide any solutions.
I would like Peter to give the anti-Venom suit to Harry to create the anti-Venom agent and thus with Peter we can explore the side of a Spider-Man more focused on technology since having the Emily May Foundation has access to more advanced technology. and can create mk4-style spider armor. It's just an opinion
I feel like it was a good addition when I played I thought that anti venom would appear as a boss fight then latter a team up between the spider men and anti venom but It also works cause they just got rid of venom weakness to fire entirely so it is nice that we got something to burn venom with at least
Tbh what made it worse is the fact that they put so much into the story that they had to rush the anti venom introduction. If they made it's story longer then I would like it more.
My only problem with it is that he loses his og colour pallet and a proper Spider-Man suit, now it’s just a white and black Symbiote but I’m sure insomniac knows what there doing so I’m not that put off by it
i want him to keep the anti-venom suit cause the powers it gives him helps to balance him and miles out, like miles has standard spider powers plus electricity and camoflauge while peter just has his spider powers and tech that miles also uses too so him having symbiote powers too helps to balance and give distinct uniqueness to their individual abilities spider powers and tech aside.
Let my boi Peter keep the anti venom suit. Remember this is insomniac version of Spiderman. They aren't following the comics. They are just using the comics for their story. I mean look at MJ she is a journalist and was Scream. They made Harry Venom and be immune to everything but sound. They killed Aunt May. If that doesn't scream different and not following comics, I don't know what will.
It's a VERY mixed situation.
One one hand, classic Peter without fancy abilities is just him at peak. Him having special powers just cheapens it.
On the other hand, because Miles also exists, Peter needs something to even the playing field.
It's bad enough that Miles has 2 extra abilities, but in Spider-Man 2 he is given MAJOR boost and plot armor for overall no reason
(That's the issue with Miles Morales as a whole. He is made to be so OP without any reason other than to make Peter look weak and irrelevant. The other Spider-People even with extra powers don't do this)
100% agree with you on Peter needing abilities, imo its more so for gameplay purposes than anything else
When Miles was created obviously that was the idea, to make him “better” by adding extra abilities, this character needs good writing. I like him in spiderverse but nowhere else. He will never replace Peter, insomniac should know that this won’t slide if they think about killing Peter
He has extra abilities but Peter is more skilled and as for him getting a boost in hand the only excuse I can see is his lightning didn’t really affect the symbiotes until his last boost
They gave Miles venom and Invis to make him cool, not to make Peter insignificant (Peter was dead when Miles became spiderman in the original Ultimate comics where he was first iterated) They wanted to make Miles' venom powers OP because they wanted to make Miles Morales more than just a DLC (to further push the point that Miles is just as much spiderman as Peter is) and actually introduce new features. They wanted to show Peter and Miles in the spotlight for the sick Spidey V Spidey battle we get and thats why Peter needed the new powers, its just an oversight, its not "INSOMNIAC HATES PETER THEY NEED HIM TO BE WEAK!!"
@@_m_i_t_i__n-m-8579 Miles literally only exists cuz peter died bruh
As I remember from the game:
Right before Peter got anti-venom suit it is said that symbiote had strong hold of him. And Venom at that point was already back on Harry, so thing that was within Peter was just a piece that's left because of the bond they (Venom and Peter) developed. And if I am not wrong at that point it was not possible to get that part of Venom off Peter because how deep it was, that even him didn't really felt it. So that Venom piece was just 'cleaned' and became anti-venom - symbiote part without hive-mind.
Can Peter just move it to someone else (maybe Harry to help him) - we cannot tell for sure. What I am sure - he is not able to do it FOR NOW. Venom was able to change from Harry to Peter because it had a mind and felt a need to change a host. As Anti-Venom is mindless - we don't know if such thing is possible.
I think that this suit will be permanently attached to Peter as somebody else said to balance power deficit between him and Miles. Other reason - to see the core of Anti-Venom in the mission Miles and Li had to go quite a few levels deep to Peter's mind, so it is not just lightly attached to him, at this point it is part of Peter that cannot be simply ripped off him, just like Venom couldn't be ripped of Harry in the end - they are already fused.
In the comics the synthetic symbiote was used to cure the spider island event
Idk why it wasnt used in the same manner with the symbiote
I think it would be amazing if, in a DLC for Spider-Man 2, a villain got access to the anti-venom symbiote. Peter would then have to battle this villain & eventually destroy the symbiote all together.
I respect that idea but I think it's for Harry to become anti agent venom
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I wouldn't be opposed to Peter keeping the anti venom symbiote. Miles and Cindy each have an extra unique feature that gives them a one up to being a regular spider person. The anti venom suit could be a "super form" of sorts for Peter to fight against higher tier threats.
thats all fine and dandy but what happens when inevitably his enemies specifically design a counter to his anti-venom suit that is bonded to him?
@@wintertrooper7918then he uses his raw skill and power like he did to wipe out the sinister six in the first game.
Peter is OP with or without the anti-venom.
@@PandatheGOAT and that is why the suit is not needed
No no an no it’ll be gone by the third trust
@@PandatheGOATno he isn’t lol glazing at best
I think it’s a nice form of symbolism that Peter took the tools of his big baddies (Doc-Ock’s tentacles into spider arms and Venom’s symbiote into anti-venom) and tuned them into tools to use for good.
It would be really awesome and cool if Peter keeps the anti venom symbiote because miles having a bit of a power-ups like turning invisible and the Venom shock make some kind of a you know second rated
I recon that insomniac should have their own take and redesign on the anti venom suit
I think people are forgetting that the Venom symbiote cured Peter of death. What happened to Harry's ailment after giving the symbiote to Peter it started coming back. At this point I think having the Anti Venom symbiote is what is keeping Peter alive.
I want Peter to keep The Anti-Venom Symbiote!
there should be an option for when you’re not using the anti venom suit that you can use peters powers what he had at the start with the spider arms. also when you use the symbiote suit the powers match the suit instead of it being white what makes it odd. (all of this only post-story though)
I like that he has the antivenom suit!
It helps him be able to do the same attacks from when he had the black suit!
...Though I hope it hasn't healed Harry of the Venom symbiote completely!
I’ve been wondering if he’ll keep the powers as well I don’t see why it’ll be bad for him to keep it maybe they can make it to where you can either use the anti venom or the spider gear
I think he'll have to take off the Anti-Venom suit at some point. This is because he is likely to appear in more Insomniac Universe-related works in the future, and I think the atmosphere of the original Spider-Man will suit him better then. Personally, I think it would be a good idea for him to hand over the Anti-Venom suit to Harry later in the sequel, turning him into Anti-Agent Venom.
Still, I think he'll need to keep the Anti-Venom suit for most of the next game. This is because Peter lacks superpowers compared to Miles and Silk (in the cookie video), so a balance between characters needs to be achieved
One of anti venom’s passives is that it always stays connected with its host so it’s impossible to pass it on
@@jds8438 Thank you for telling me something I didn't know!
It’s be cool if he combined his red and blue suit with the antivenom suit. That way he keeps the classic Spider-Man look and have the antivenom powers. Idk if anyone agrees but imagine his mask with the antivenom lenses, I think it’d be a cool concept.
Many have suggested something similar to this so heres my interpretation:
Like with the last games, Peter gets a "Advanced 3.0" suit. This suit will incorporate Anti Venom in the white parts of the suit, spider symbol, etc. When he uses Symbiote Surge Anti Venom expands from the white parts and forms the Anti Venom suit.
@@jadeimusprime2158 yesssssss!!!!!!! Only time will tell tho, hopefully they’ll go for that!
Considering that this is insomniacs universe, this Peter Parker is already up there as a memorable spider man. Certain events like losing his aunt, gaining miles as a partner and now with anti venom. It’s leagues above his other iterations of other spider men across the multiverse. Their is however a drawback as well, and it’s clearly doc ock… out of all the villains in this universe he’s the only one who still holds cards in his sleeve.
I think that if Carnage shows up, he will need the suit but if he isn't fighting Carnage then he should have either lose it when he destroyed Venom or either try to find a way to get rid of Anti-Venom and give it to Harry
I feel like Peter should transform back and forth between his current advanced suit and the Anti Venom suit. For example if Peter is in trouble when fighting some strong bad guys maybe he turns into Anti Venom to get stronger. Kinda like the red and black suits in Spider-Man Web of Shadows
It would make more sense if when you wear the venom symbiote suits that it would make the effect black but wtv
I think he could maybe heal Ockham or li or Harry and his thing could be him just being a more stronger and experienced fighter
I’m excited to see how the Anti-Venom suit will play a role in the possible Carnage DLC
If there’s gonna be any DLC, there’s gotta be a point where Peter has to give up the Anti Venom in order to save the day or something
I feel like it's good for Peter to have a bench to fall back on when things get extreme. I wouldn't say he should be rocking the Anti-Venom suit as standard heroing fashion, or turning to its abilities when dealing with a typical mugging, or even against non-powered organized crime... but when the chips are down and the gadgets are not working and he needs to push just that extra inch, it's good for him to have something in the bank to draw upon.
I love the anti venom suit and ALL the symbiote abilities I hope we get to keep them with Peter as well as the spider arms. I feel like people are ungrateful. I love everything they gave us that I don’t want them to get rid of it next game!
Wish there was a scene where Peter discovered that the suit has a power to weaken Venom because you just go to straight to the fight and touch venom and weakens him with no context on how
I hope he keeps the anti venom symbiote, I always wanted Spider-man to have the anti-venom symbiote in the comics. Him getting it was a literal dream come true for me. It has all the benefits of the venom symbiote with non of the draw backs.
Im definitely on board with peter forever having it cuss its super fun and just cool but i think the main problem people have is the entire time it was about balance the flash back with may and peter having to choose between saving people the symbiote at first solved peters problems but obviously at the price of changing him then he has to get rid of it and ya know lesson learned then here comes the anti venom suit absolutely removing the issue of balancing peter once faced now i personally dont care all that much but it kinda does take a big theme of the story and just flip it off
Given that Cletus has the Carnage symbiote, yes, he should.
I just don't want to peter to have the anti venom suit forever because
1.The game developer would have to require to continue with the symbiote abilities through its games series and thier removal won't be good
2.The suit make peter seem to reliant on its powers
3.Harry might need it to heal him
The suit is gonna be remodeled for the next game, Gotta say, the suit in this game feels very lackluster with what the AMAZING Insomniac Spiderman Suit could be with The Antivenom color pallete
but how do you switch any suits i want to fight venom with the iron spider suit in the finale battle.
I think there is a way to satisfy both parties. For the next game, Peter only uses the Anti-Venom suit to save people he cant save without it and never uses it in combat. This is because at some point in the story, the suit either caused colleteral damage which injured civilians because of its immense power or he accidentally severely injured a bunch of goons and paralyzed them for the same reasons. But later on in the story against Goblin, Peter is forced to use the Anti-Venom suit to its full potential, showcasing the suit's full power and we get to play the suit permanently. By this point of the story, Peter realised he can cure anyone with the Anti-Venom suit and truly mastered it. Now for gameplay wise, the first few part of the story the Anti-Venom suit as a "rage mode" mechanic. But later on in the story you can permanently use the suit with new abilities. Now that's my suggestion.
I wonder if Peter would keep the suit and if it means that we can use the symbiote abilities in Spiderman 3. Thus giving us more attack abilities. If we get new ones in Spiderman 3. Also who would be the third Spiderman? Since Spiderman 2 stars both Miles and Peter. Would it be Venom if he somehow comes back? Or would it be Silk?
Kinda reminds me of Spider Gwen’s symbiote suit that she got if anything(maybe have him make web constructs with it idk)
True!
I don’t understand how such a great narrative and gameplay decision that gives a satisfying solution to losing the symbiote powers can be so vehemently despised
i 100% AGREE because this is a new universe too the spiderman franchise and i feel like this could be there thing because there is a spiderman that takes back the symbiote from eddie and i feel like this is the right thing too do because in the long wrong they weren't wrong that we would hate if we spent all those upgrades as well as surge mode but i think peter can keep it because i love it when spiderman gets a symbiote and ive always wished that he kept it because i felt like they could have had great moments of funny arguments and have a laugh but thats how i feel about the anti symbiote so yeah i agree with ya
IK that Pete was struggling in this game and people have pointed out that its because he worked really hard as spiderman for a decade and couldnt really catch a break, which is why it made sense for him to quit spidermanning for a short time in the end of the game. So I expect him make a full comeback in the third game or DLC with a fresh mind and does not struggle.
And for me it made no sense as to why Peter didnt give anti venom to harry after removing venom from him... even if it was bonded on a cellular level, Peter was a scientist, he can figure a way to transfer it to harry.
Theory: in the prologue of spider-man 3, either doc oc or norman would create some kind of weapon that would get rid of anti-venom suit.
according to lore when the anti venom suit is worn it will not come off however it does not have many weaknesses as it is immune to high frequency sounds and fire and it does not ever take controll ever which means peter is always in control it will not take control of him like venom did. it can cure any type of disease. however this power comes with consequences as the suit will never ever come off. due to it being fused with his suit/body.
great vid bro
as long as i have the choice to switch between classic symbiote and anti-venom im good
If we go from a comic wise standpoint here is that Peter could create anti bodies to heal other people, has a much more advanced healing factor, has extra defence, has much more raw power and he doesn't have the same weakness Venom had which is sound. So if Miles were to fight Peter with the Anti-Venom suit, he could attempt to "cure" Miles' radiation based powers and cause it to cancel out and then get absolutely stomped. But I'm not sure if Insomniac would give Peter the same abilities as in the comics
If anti venom was comic accurate than peter’s spider powers would be gone
@@b.136 You know there's gonna be some tweaking involved when doing this tho. But you right
I think he also needs something visually appealing; his base powers don’t have the flash miles does
It’s about time peter gets new powers I mean he was still nerfed at the end anyway 🙄 but still he needs something new as miles keeps getting new powers every year it feels like 😂
i genuinely wonder how the devs are going to utilize pete having the anti venom suit in the third game, since at the end of this game it seems like pete wants to take a break for awhile and miles will do the work
Can Peter even be defeated at this point? I mean he has more strength and also regeneration which is so strong that it even held back a genetic desease which not even Oscorp could heal. I also wonder how aging works for him, I think its interesting to think about it since symbiots are quiet busted in the insomaniac verse. And yea of course Anti venom doesnt have any of Venoms weaknesses
I see Peter finding a way to give it to Harry tbh, since it seemingly has all the Benefits and no drawbacks like Venom had. So Harry could theoretically come back from both his coma and his sickness
Funny thing is if y’all think about it… Yeah we can argue that miles might be stronger than Pete. I mean he did beat peter whilst wearing the symbiote suit. But has anyone thought, about that miles knew about the symbiotes weakness and had to use that to his advantage. The way I see it if you take the bell away the very bell that saved us when we’re running low in health away from miles… I’m pretty sure it would’ve ended differently. This game honestly favored miles. They had to show how much he’s grown ever since he took on the mantle.
The only reason I want the suit to eventually go is because with so many Spider-Man variants existing in the world and multiverse, I would like Peter Parker to remain the "classic" Spider-Man. the Anti-Venom symbiote could be used for other things like a future Eddie Brock story or Flash Thompson like the comics.
That’s boring we got the comics for that
Yes
but it should only show up if you equip it or if you use symbiote surge mode
Yep
I’m pretty sure that developers said insomniac Spider-Man is a little different from 616 Spider-Man, so why are people pressed that there are little story changes to this Spider-Man? I really like this little twist in this version of Spider-Man because it makes him unique and also makes Spider-Man related games or content not as repetitive.
I don’t think he’s just gonna be Anti-Venom now, but by all means they should keep the symbiote abilities. Since it already had white motifs, I think having the anti symbiote infused with his normal suit could make a cool Advanced 3.0 suit in the next game.
I’d much rather him find new ways to use it rather than him just randomly getting rid of it offscreen like it’s an episode of the Simpsons