@@Cometkreatura true 😭😭😭😭 leave the small multi billion company alone! They got enough on their plates, and their anti cheat guys Hideouts, is too busy making music and playing with his streamers friends
Vanguard cant do anything about dma let alone eac’s paid version. Other then detecting overused firmware for the cards you’re only 100 bux away for someone to make you a 1/1 version and you’ll never get caught.
No company has a solution to the issues laid out in this video. DMA devices, AI cheats from and other hardware/off-PC based cheats are near impossible to detect. Online pvp gaming has become a joke and there's nothing any developer can do about it.
The new season has made high elo lobbies very competitive, and the main thing that’s done for me is make me realize how many cheaters there actually are. They were doing manual bans near the beginning of the split and some of my pred games would have 5+ people get banned. Many of which I recognized and had died to multiple times already. Wouldn’t be surprised if matchmaking gets turned down again just so cheaters will be more spread out and people think there’s less of them.
I stopped playing during the rat meta seasons and stomped pubs, I got pretty good (in my opinion) finally get a good season of ranked and now pretty much as soon as I got into the top 10% of players I run into cheaters pretty much every game, sucks because I'm 27 and feel like apex might have been my last hoorah when it comes to gaming, I'm to old(imo) to have time to commit to something new and grind to high skill again, that and apex is genuinely the best feeling game, cheaters might have just ended my love for competitive gaming
And yet, Respawn refused to hound Easy Anti Cheat to impliment A.I to fix the gapping holes. So many different tools and software out there they could use, but then in their internal meetings "But Sally, i wont get my 3 week vacation to bora bora if we invest in a company we have to pay more money to" I hate wallstreet for giving this mentality to companies.
You’d think tampering with a billion dollar company’s product like this, affecting people who pay money for the product in a negative way, would be punished legally.
all the cheaters get put into pred lobbies so it barely effects the average player, just the nolifes and content creators and they make barely any of their money off them
@@miclwastaken That's really only the rage hackers though, the 'legit' hackers might be only a few ranks higher than they deserver. They are after all trying to not be manual banned. People only having something like walls or radar is somewhat common.
That destroyer2009 cheater that gifted Hal and Mande, 3000 Apex Packs needs to start gifting regular ppl Apex packs Maybe than they'll start taking cheating seriously
Lemme tell you about a game called Ark. Ark survival evolved released back in like 2015. Game always had a massive cheat problem. Every pc pvp game does nowadays. Anyways snail games and wildcard rereleased ark survival evolved as ark survival ascended on unreal engine 5 with “upgraded” performance. The first day of release they were entirely broken cheats, “teleporting projectiles” so not only was it aimbot, u could be killed through any structure and any mesh, and the cheat websites even gave out free 3 day trials. For cheats to be that advanced on the day of release is unheard of. And considering what is out there about the ark black market and cheating corruption from snail games, the publisher of ark who basically owns wildcard, and given the objective of reselling an updated ark survival evolved was to garner money for ark 2, my friends and I quickly put together that the cheats were produced by none other than the devs themselves. It’s a cash grab. 100% no doubt. And I wouldn’t be surprised if other game companies do this. Snail games is another level of corruption though. I can only hope apex isn’t following suit.
lol I told my squad if I could have any superpower it would be to snap my fingers and be behind the person who killed me in a video game irl. Lmao slap the fuck out of them and come back
Why are you the only one talking about this. We need to send this video to Bobz and other creators so they can spread awareness too. You need more subscribers because this is gold content and yet not a lot of views or subscribers
@@Mellow0721 look at Tarkov 😂 full of cheaters because g0at made a video about the cheat and when the cheat came back it’s had 17k users 💀 and it’s still fucked and you think respawn don’t know about dma cards lol
@@Prxstige11 I dont think he ever explained how to do it in most of them, maybe only the cheap one but any one could have access to it so its not gonna make much a difference. So yes i think sharing it wouldnt be bad and would likely get people like EA to step up and do something, which tbh i dont understand why they dont just get Google to remove websites selling these cheats even if its only a temporary fix, bc starting these websites and stuff could drain the pockets of these cheaters more easily.
Respawn needs to allow hosting game servers yourself, just like in the old days. Where you can admin your own (passworded) server, and create a community around it.
I played a ton of S18, but skipped S19 as I was burnt out. I came back for S20, and have been loving it....until I hit Gold recently. I was lucky enough to wait for the higher skilled players to get to the ranks they deserve, but as soon as I approached the Gold ranks, I started noticing more and more cheaters killing me and my friends, many of whom are high Plats and Diamond ranks. Granted, I do not see anywhere near the amount that Pred lobbies see, but every rank I go up the numbers increase. I now make a habit of recording my gameplay and habitually reading over the Death Recap and spectating my killers if I think anything weird happened. For example, yesterday I got killed by some solo player who was ratting in the weirdest spot I have ever seen on Olympus, and he killed me with a Volt by doing 129 dmg in 9 SHOTS with NO ATTACHMENTS. My squad was able to kill him, but the short clip I saw of him clearly showed an aimbot. This was in a high tier Gold and Plat lobby, so just imagine what it is like as you approach Diamond/Masters. This season has everything it needed to be a great one, but EA and Respawn's failure to solve the cheater problem is going to kill this game, and I feel bad for the devs who made the amazing changes happen for S20, bc all their hard work is going down the drain. I'm on PC, and from what I hear the cheating problem is even worse on Consoles.
Currently uploading Road to Pred and yeah this game is raunchy asf. Cs2 has the same problem. What's really crazy though is that these kids will actually try to gaslight you and do their little song and dance emote routine as if they actually shit on you when they're clearly running Panda or use a Strike/Zen. Thank you so much for helping bring more attention to this.
This is hilarious in a sad way. Basically the NA servers are now exactly how the JP servers have been oh so many seasons. Japanese pro players STILL play with 160+ ping on the NA servers because there are fewer cheaters there. Regarding the anti cheat it's impossible to win this with client side solutions, not to mention that those often come with some serious security and privacy concerns. What we need is good server side anti cheat and a way to make it more difficult to register new accounts (like linking them to a credit card, id etc). No system is perfect and there would still be cheaters but it would at least be much better than what it is now. It's actually kind of amazing how you right now can cheat for months, the servers allow you to do things that should not be impossible (impossible aim, impossible movement), nothing is detected and reports are ignored, and then if you eventually get banned you can just register a new account and be back in a few minutes. EA will probably keep doing nothing, simply milking the game for as much money as they can while it slowly dies and then shut down the servers when the profit margin is no longer large enough to satisfy their investors.
people need to just man the fuck up and realize that kernel level anticheats fix all these issues. and that no we arent in any fucking danger from them.
I've heard pros talking about how when they play ranked offstream on a different account they run into way more cheaters, I've also had my teammate get targeted repeatedly every game by a bunch of random cheaters, they would esp straight to her, kill her, then just run away usually leaving me and our other teammate alive. seeing as you can very easily closet cheat, you can cheat without getting detected, and you can almost entirely avoid manual bans by not fighting streamers and pros, pred lobbies are unnecessarily difficult for legit players
@@Prxstige11 that’s the worst part zero competitive integrity it’s always been boiled down to this did you beat me because your 3 stacking or cheating or both or am I just actually bad and that’s a horrible feeling
I am consistently seeing cheaters with strike packs, scrips, wall hacks and aimbot more than ever in Apex. The worse thing is that they have 3 plus predator badges and haven't been banned. That means they have been cheating do 9 plus months without punishment.
Good vids bro, can you explain Apex Cola to those of us who aren't as tech savvy? When I google it, there seem to be alot of people selling cheats under this name. Is this still an active exploit? Doesn't seem as hidden as the other cheating avenues you mentioned in earlier vids.
Even then detecting dma is pretty much impossible. Other then detecting 1 firmware being sold to tons of people you can very easily get your hands on a 1 of 1 firmware copy for around 100 ish bux and be invulnerable to any anticheat on the market. Software can simply not detect something on a hardware level.
Your mindset is rotted, we DON’T need more intrusive anticheat, we need more EFFECTIVE anticheat, and we need a anticheat that detect real time action, not just block cheats because this is not effective at all… also Valorant, the game with the most intrusive anticheat, have a lot of cheaters too, but they look like a just good players…
@@miraizinhamiraizoka if you want a effective anticheat it'll have to be more intrusive then the cheat because they do whatever they can to bypass anticheats. Valorants anticheat is pretty good. Most cheaters use hardware based cheats as the usual software ones get you banned after 2 matches. They're also very expensive due to how effective vanguard is drawing alot of cheaters away from valorant. Most non hardware based cheats go for 100+ a month.
@@miraizinhamiraizokatrue but as of right now there are no good anti cheats only kernel level is somewhat aight vac is atrociously bad EAC is bad battleye is bad its gg for all the legit players at
Good, informative video. To try and answer the final question, I genuinely think they will take action in the following months to counter the problem. The game is set to have a lifespan of 10yrs according to some dev itw. If they want to keep their scene and cc/pro players, they WILL have to take action quick, otherwise the next good FPS will instantly absorb what’s left of this community (cf. Valorant, The Finals when it released)
@@nneuralhonestly I don’t see competitive games lasting much longer. The only games seemingly immune to extremely unfair cheats are coop games and non competitive games. Frankly because there isn’t really a reason to cheat in those games because you don’t get an edge over players and the little wimpy babies that use cheats want to feel better than everyone else.
@@yourstrulli9089Why I prefer 2D traditional fighting games and smash like platformers those don't have cheaters at all, all skill. of course anything can be hacked but i have yet to run into a single one these past 6 years unlike FPS games, Tf2, CSGO, apex, halo infinite etc etc which i always run into.
@@yourstrulli9089ikr...literally everytime my bro complains about cheaters in rank I'll just tell him to play smash, brawlhalla, or a mobile game. Imo, gaming should have been hard lock to console or a less open operating system as oppose to windows pc. Let's just hope VR does this
One true solution to cheating for any game ever would be for Sony and Xbox to create a console that allows true mouse n keyboard gaming at 240hz and to constantly update the systems so people can’t jailbreak them and play online
Even Xbox and PlayStation are not Safe. There is a hack which can make your PC to a Xbox or PlayStation, and then u can just use the normal PC Hacks. And there is also the Cronus Zen, and it doesnt look like it's really possible to detect...
Very informative video, you are one of the few people who actually seem to care about the state in which this game is in, something most players and even content creators are not
This also goes ALOT DEEPER and I would LOVE to give you my insight on a video. I have been around on the game since season 3. I hung around boosters a couple Season ago because my irl friends became boosters but I would LOVE to give you info. I have 1.8k subs just so uk I'm not bullshizzin.
What a fantastic and informative video. I have been gaming since the days of the NES when I was just old enough to hold the controller! Now I have twin sons who are better than me at gaming 😹 Over the years though, when playing online, I have noticed many "suspect" players. I knew cheating online was a thing but I never knew how lucrative it was. I remember when the first Call of Duty back in '03 used Punkbuster Anti Cheat and it was pretty good as a deterrent to cheaters / hackers. It's such a shame that people sink to these depths just to win and ruin everyone else's experience. I really wish that something can be done to combat this (but I don't hold out much hope) Thank you again for this video
They just (early last year?) stood up a new studio to develop/play test content for Apex Legends. I'd wager that the content we've seen in the last two seasons (19/20) is likely their efforts/contributions coming to fruition; furthermore, they've released back to back solutions for long awaited capabilities (cross progression and next generation) while also addressing the terrible rank situation and ring healers/exploiters(stuff along the lines of farming badges). I believe this may be (fingers crossed) a new development tempo and I'm hoping over the next few seasons we'll see additional improvements/systems/investing to solve other long standing issues (like audio, netcode, and cheating).. 🤷♂a person can dream... lol
You want to stop cheaters? Make EA take action? Become that cheater. Find whatever way to gift people Apex Packs just like that one cheater did with Hal but do it to a massive amount of people. EA will not let that pass as this is direct money loss for them. You will likely get banned, you will likely get sued if they find out. But that would be the 100% foolproof way to make EA care; hurt their wallet.
I thought the people creating the cheats making "millions" would be enough for EA to try and go after them. Guess not lol Gifting away apex packs will surely get their interest haha
You can never prevent cheaters on PC, it was never meant to be a multiplayer gaming platform (devlopment only) Xbox has a locked bootloader, no point spending big $$$ on PC if you like multiplayer. It's hillarious to anyone who understands how computers work that you expect this to ever change. Plug your MnK into an xbox, turn off cross-play and find out how good you really are/aren't
So what I’m-getting from this video is focus on reverse engineering games like apex while doing computer science and make cheats so I can make boohoo bux’s?
I love this game and this season but unfortunately this is by far the worst that cheating has ever been since I’ve started playing the game hopefully something can be done thanks for this amazing video and shedding light on this situation
Once you realize how many cheaters there are (whether its soft x-ray, scripting, Zen, Strike, Panda, etc. you get it) you'll understand why guys like Bobz, Thordan, Jankz don't talk about this more. Its bad for business. If half of your audience are fking cheaters you probably won't want to talk about it how awful it is as much. That's just my cynic brain though.
I’d also go as far as to say there’s a chance that some may even be using them. If you look at the Cronus Zen for example, any video I’ve seen that even use the lightest version (50% reduction in Recoil) look an awful lot like a lot of those guys. I’m not saying they are cheating, they could just be insanely consistent, but it can definitely look sketchy. Now these patches? I think they’re called? They don’t auto lock onto people, they don’t bend bullets around corners, they don’t guarantee headshots or anything along those lines, but a 50% recoil reduction is insane. If you imagine say the R-301 goes 1m vertical, 0.5m left, then 1m vertical again in its recoil pattern, that 50% reduction to 0.5 vertical, 0.25m left and 0.5m vertical again, it’s much easier to hit your shots once you get it on target And the thing is, it is such a small difference that if anyone observed after you killed then, they’d see you missing shots, whiffing etc and it would - for all intents and purposes - just look like you got lucky in that firefight, yet you’re cheating. I always thought that a Cronus Zen would be super obvious but now it’s like, for all we know people can be cheating in the least obvious ways and it pass off as if it’s either skill or luck
that's always why in cs I would joke about "toggling". keeping the x-ray turned off until its your must win round or gunfight runs rampant in that game. i definitely understand the pressure to upload consistent gameplay but at the end of the day they set the standard for the community. it's like when strike packs first started spreading in CoD. Thankfully, there's still ways to shit on these kids if you are stacking but stacking should never be a pre requisite to perform well when its a 3 man squad. Respawn knows if they enforce the "fuck you anti cheat" 1/3 of the player base will be gone. just have to try and stay positive. @@NJTRAF
@@Mellow0721 absolutely, but i'm just saying that with how the Zen can be used - like I described above just applying Patches that give "small" amounts of help (not that a 50% reduction is small but compared to how ridiculous they could make those patches it is small) you could be in a lobby with 56 cheaters and not be able to tell if they're not going completely over the top with it. That shit is really difficult to tell from gameplay alone
I'm genuinely surprised at the quality of this, the 3D scenes are so unique I don't even know what program you used to make them. High-quality content that I feel is just going to keep getting better. I'm excited to see what you'll come out with next.
I have not played Apex since watson was released, downloaded apex for the first time in forever last night first game got in to a lobby with someone rage hacking. I play call of duty, so I’m used to people cheating with ESP and things of that sort But it seems no matter what game you play nowadays it is getting out of hand. For my fellow xbox players In the settings you can block cross platform play in your account settings on the xbox forcing the game to put you against only console players this works for cod as well as Apex Legends
Limiting cross play only reduces the cheaters against you to using Cronus/zen but they’re still there. Had to turn crossplay on cod last week because it was getting really bad. That’s when I noticed a new cheater trick that lags the shit out of me, but only when I’m flying a helicopter. Makes it almost impossible to pilot. I guess I’m supposed to be gaslit into thinking my fiber internet is bad… but only when I fly… 🤷♂️
I'm from Brazil and on my country's servers this season there are many hackers appearing with their nicknames all in Chinese using aimbot. In 5 years of playing the game I had never seen a hack in matches and this season things are getting worse respawn/EA needs to do something
Onlines games are slowly getting unplayable... I'm 40, I've been playing online games since the mid 90s with Doom on a 28.8k dialup modem. I think the first time I really encountered cheaters was on a cracked version of Counter-Strike 1.6 while playing on Russian servers. Cracked servers didn't have any anti-cheat but it was still relatively playable because most cheaters back then were programmers that were experimenting and/or doing stupid stuff to make us laugh. Even the cracked CS Russian servers back then were a lot more playable than any online game that we have today... It's pretty sad to see this.
I swear bro I was loving the game then on Thursday the the 15th feb just cheater after cheater walling or aim bot it’s like a switch got clicked or the devs stopped doing something
It isn't just Apex having this issue. It's the FPS genre in general. People will always be scummy no matter what. They will take the shortest route to feeling like they're "good" at the game without putting in the time to learn anything. I genuinely believe that we need an anti-cheat that can look at inputs and behavior with deep learning.
I've been an fps gamer for 15 years. I've seen many different waves of cheating across many titles over the years. It's never been like it is now cheating is the mainstream and nothing is being done about it. I think we are at or nearing a breaking point.
It's not like they aren't trying to ban the cheaters. They banned 72 preds and masters yesterday, including two preds in top 50. It's just about preventing that these people can play the game in the first place
Here's what I think; corporate wants a share of the hacker profits so they white list the cheaters that are part of the hacker affiliate network, who also, lowkey, advertises the sale of backdoor hardware circumventing the cheat detection in COD and other mainstream games. ...Or, corporate is just lazy
Got hacked last month, week 2 player almost all battle passes maxed then lost it all to a ban that is not in my control showed support all they needed said no 3 times. 😔 switched from xbox to pc with no 2ffa on 😢
EA needs to stop using the free version of easy anticheat
nah bro they need to save 4 dollars leave the small indie company alone bro
@@Cometkreatura true 😭😭😭😭 leave the small multi billion company alone! They got enough on their plates, and their anti cheat guys Hideouts, is too busy making music and playing with his streamers friends
Vanguard cant do anything about dma let alone eac’s paid version. Other then detecting overused firmware for the cards you’re only 100 bux away for someone to make you a 1/1 version and you’ll never get caught.
No company has a solution to the issues laid out in this video. DMA devices, AI cheats from and other hardware/off-PC based cheats are near impossible to detect.
Online pvp gaming has become a joke and there's nothing any developer can do about it.
@@Sanosukeafo Valorant has a pretty good system
The new season has made high elo lobbies very competitive, and the main thing that’s done for me is make me realize how many cheaters there actually are. They were doing manual bans near the beginning of the split and some of my pred games would have 5+ people get banned. Many of which I recognized and had died to multiple times already.
Wouldn’t be surprised if matchmaking gets turned down again just so cheaters will be more spread out and people think there’s less of them.
Hello wattson
Every game there's someone being banned it seems. It's a shame it only takes them at most a couple of hours to get another account ready for ranked.
I stopped playing during the rat meta seasons and stomped pubs, I got pretty good (in my opinion) finally get a good season of ranked and now pretty much as soon as I got into the top 10% of players I run into cheaters pretty much every game, sucks because I'm 27 and feel like apex might have been my last hoorah when it comes to gaming, I'm to old(imo) to have time to commit to something new and grind to high skill again, that and apex is genuinely the best feeling game, cheaters might have just ended my love for competitive gaming
You know you made a good video when the goat himself leave a comment on it.
all hail the king
And yet, Respawn refused to hound Easy Anti Cheat to impliment A.I to fix the gapping holes. So many different tools and software out there they could use, but then in their internal meetings "But Sally, i wont get my 3 week vacation to bora bora if we invest in a company we have to pay more money to" I hate wallstreet for giving this mentality to companies.
You’d think tampering with a billion dollar company’s product like this, affecting people who pay money for the product in a negative way, would be punished legally.
all the cheaters get put into pred lobbies so it barely effects the average player, just the nolifes and content creators and they make barely any of their money off them
@@miclwastaken That's really only the rage hackers though, the 'legit' hackers might be only a few ranks higher than they deserver. They are after all trying to not be manual banned. People only having something like walls or radar is somewhat common.
That destroyer2009 cheater that gifted Hal and Mande, 3000 Apex Packs needs to start gifting regular ppl Apex packs
Maybe than they'll start taking cheating seriously
Lemme tell you about a game called Ark. Ark survival evolved released back in like 2015. Game always had a massive cheat problem. Every pc pvp game does nowadays. Anyways snail games and wildcard rereleased ark survival evolved as ark survival ascended on unreal engine 5 with “upgraded” performance. The first day of release they were entirely broken cheats, “teleporting projectiles” so not only was it aimbot, u could be killed through any structure and any mesh, and the cheat websites even gave out free 3 day trials. For cheats to be that advanced on the day of release is unheard of. And considering what is out there about the ark black market and cheating corruption from snail games, the publisher of ark who basically owns wildcard, and given the objective of reselling an updated ark survival evolved was to garner money for ark 2, my friends and I quickly put together that the cheats were produced by none other than the devs themselves. It’s a cash grab. 100% no doubt. And I wouldn’t be surprised if other game companies do this. Snail games is another level of corruption though. I can only hope apex isn’t following suit.
Just imagine, with all that money being made from selling cheating software, would EA love to make that money and secretly sell cheats to clients?
What we really need is a gaming vigilante like Batman. Where he enters cheaters homes in the middle of the night and severs their arms for cheating.
You have my vote.
lol I told my squad if I could have any superpower it would be to snap my fingers and be behind the person who killed me in a video game irl. Lmao slap the fuck out of them and come back
Boy do I have some news for you
Yes make this shit happen xD
That idea is hilarious 😂
And not even three weeks later, we have pro players getting hacked and having cheats applied during a pro event.
What’s wrong with that🤣
This is really good stuff. Didn’t realize cheats were on this level.
Why are you the only one talking about this. We need to send this video to Bobz and other creators so they can spread awareness too. You need more subscribers because this is gold content and yet not a lot of views or subscribers
i gave my 2 cents in a different comment about it but lets just pray this gets out there. Gotta share it.
@@Mellow0721what share how to cheat and go undetected longer 😂 and what you need to cheat 💀
@@Prxstige11 oh boy you didnt read...
@@Mellow0721 look at Tarkov 😂 full of cheaters because g0at made a video about the cheat and when the cheat came back it’s had 17k users 💀 and it’s still fucked and you think respawn don’t know about dma cards lol
@@Prxstige11 I dont think he ever explained how to do it in most of them, maybe only the cheap one but any one could have access to it so its not gonna make much a difference. So yes i think sharing it wouldnt be bad and would likely get people like EA to step up and do something, which tbh i dont understand why they dont just get Google to remove websites selling these cheats even if its only a temporary fix, bc starting these websites and stuff could drain the pockets of these cheaters more easily.
Respawn needs to allow hosting game servers yourself, just like in the old days. Where you can admin your own (passworded) server, and create a community around it.
EA needs to invest into a cyber security team/ cyber defensive team.
First time?
You asking too much from EA, they don't even fix 20 tik server let alone cyber security 😂
I will still find a way
How ironic is Crypto in this entire thing...
"I'm going to break the game"
30-50% of all online servers and lobbies have cheaters now. That's how big the ego vs skill issue is.
This needs way more views
I played a ton of S18, but skipped S19 as I was burnt out. I came back for S20, and have been loving it....until I hit Gold recently. I was lucky enough to wait for the higher skilled players to get to the ranks they deserve, but as soon as I approached the Gold ranks, I started noticing more and more cheaters killing me and my friends, many of whom are high Plats and Diamond ranks. Granted, I do not see anywhere near the amount that Pred lobbies see, but every rank I go up the numbers increase. I now make a habit of recording my gameplay and habitually reading over the Death Recap and spectating my killers if I think anything weird happened. For example, yesterday I got killed by some solo player who was ratting in the weirdest spot I have ever seen on Olympus, and he killed me with a Volt by doing 129 dmg in 9 SHOTS with NO ATTACHMENTS. My squad was able to kill him, but the short clip I saw of him clearly showed an aimbot. This was in a high tier Gold and Plat lobby, so just imagine what it is like as you approach Diamond/Masters. This season has everything it needed to be a great one, but EA and Respawn's failure to solve the cheater problem is going to kill this game, and I feel bad for the devs who made the amazing changes happen for S20, bc all their hard work is going down the drain. I'm on PC, and from what I hear the cheating problem is even worse on Consoles.
Currently uploading Road to Pred and yeah this game is raunchy asf. Cs2 has the same problem. What's really crazy though is that these kids will actually try to gaslight you and do their little song and dance emote routine as if they actually shit on you when they're clearly running Panda or use a Strike/Zen. Thank you so much for helping bring more attention to this.
Crazy editing this def deserves more views
Same
You know it’s just a rip off of disrupt tv right????!?
This is hilarious in a sad way. Basically the NA servers are now exactly how the JP servers have been oh so many seasons. Japanese pro players STILL play with 160+ ping on the NA servers because there are fewer cheaters there.
Regarding the anti cheat it's impossible to win this with client side solutions, not to mention that those often come with some serious security and privacy concerns. What we need is good server side anti cheat and a way to make it more difficult to register new accounts (like linking them to a credit card, id etc). No system is perfect and there would still be cheaters but it would at least be much better than what it is now. It's actually kind of amazing how you right now can cheat for months, the servers allow you to do things that should not be impossible (impossible aim, impossible movement), nothing is detected and reports are ignored, and then if you eventually get banned you can just register a new account and be back in a few minutes.
EA will probably keep doing nothing, simply milking the game for as much money as they can while it slowly dies and then shut down the servers when the profit margin is no longer large enough to satisfy their investors.
Yes server side anti cheat is the only hope of combating most cheats
people need to just man the fuck up and realize that kernel level anticheats fix all these issues. and that no we arent in any fucking danger from them.
@@jimbodee4043
Even that and the account handling method from The Kings Avatar might not work perfectly.
Haha Join the club 😂
I am watching this video after today's apex cheating blunder 😝😝😝😂😂
I've heard pros talking about how when they play ranked offstream on a different account they run into way more cheaters, I've also had my teammate get targeted repeatedly every game by a bunch of random cheaters, they would esp straight to her, kill her, then just run away usually leaving me and our other teammate alive. seeing as you can very easily closet cheat, you can cheat without getting detected, and you can almost entirely avoid manual bans by not fighting streamers and pros, pred lobbies are unnecessarily difficult for legit players
had a guy punch spamming on ps5😭 its so sad what people will do for badged
This is incredibly well done for how small of a channel this is. You gained another sub ❤
Thank you so much for covering this, so sick of these dirtbags
Yooo i like your content good to see u uploading
you deserve more bro
The relationship better hackers and gamers never ceases to amaze me
quality video, really good analysis on it all. your style of content gives me disrupt tv vibes, definitely coming back for more :D
Highest quality Video about apex i seen in a while please keep up the content❤
Perfect timing 😂
Fire video bro
As someone that's been playing FPS games for 20+ years I can tell that pretty much 50% of my lobbies have people walling
Legit feels like that all the time.
You’ll be talking an of angle and just get fried the second you peek most obnoxious shit ever
Yep. Like I say "they knew where I was before I did".
And can’t tell from a good player and a cheater now everyone saying everyone cheating 😂
@@Prxstige11 that’s the worst part zero competitive integrity it’s always been boiled down to this did you beat me because your 3 stacking or cheating or both or am I just actually bad and that’s a horrible feeling
oh well this is awkward
I am consistently seeing cheaters with strike packs, scrips, wall hacks and aimbot more than ever in Apex. The worse thing is that they have 3 plus predator badges and haven't been banned. That means they have been cheating do 9 plus months without punishment.
binge watching this channel right now lol this feels premium
def see you got a style you're working on developing, excited to see the direction you take
can wait for EA to drop the $480 anti-cheat collection event where you get put into normal lobbies after buying all 24 items
Good vids bro, can you explain Apex Cola to those of us who aren't as tech savvy? When I google it, there seem to be alot of people selling cheats under this name. Is this still an active exploit? Doesn't seem as hidden as the other cheating avenues you mentioned in earlier vids.
Moch, this video is so well done! Keep grinding man, you're doing great!
We need a kernel level anti cheat, like the most intrusive shit ever at this point
Even then detecting dma is pretty much impossible. Other then detecting 1 firmware being sold to tons of people you can very easily get your hands on a 1 of 1 firmware copy for around 100 ish bux and be invulnerable to any anticheat on the market. Software can simply not detect something on a hardware level.
It doesnt matter as many cheats are not even running on your pc
Your mindset is rotted, we DON’T need more intrusive anticheat, we need more EFFECTIVE anticheat, and we need a anticheat that detect real time action, not just block cheats because this is not effective at all… also Valorant, the game with the most intrusive anticheat, have a lot of cheaters too, but they look like a just good players…
@@miraizinhamiraizoka if you want a effective anticheat it'll have to be more intrusive then the cheat because they do whatever they can to bypass anticheats. Valorants anticheat is pretty good. Most cheaters use hardware based cheats as the usual software ones get you banned after 2 matches. They're also very expensive due to how effective vanguard is drawing alot of cheaters away from valorant. Most non hardware based cheats go for 100+ a month.
@@miraizinhamiraizokatrue but as of right now there are no good anti cheats only kernel level is somewhat aight vac is atrociously bad EAC is bad battleye is bad its gg for all the legit players at
Damn the editing 👀
Good, informative video. To try and answer the final question, I genuinely think they will take action in the following months to counter the problem. The game is set to have a lifespan of 10yrs according to some dev itw. If they want to keep their scene and cc/pro players, they WILL have to take action quick, otherwise the next good FPS will instantly absorb what’s left of this community (cf. Valorant, The Finals when it released)
no game will come out with a detection for dma for atleast another year and a half, only detection rn is firmware
@@nneuralhonestly I don’t see competitive games lasting much longer. The only games seemingly immune to extremely unfair cheats are coop games and non competitive games. Frankly because there isn’t really a reason to cheat in those games because you don’t get an edge over players and the little wimpy babies that use cheats want to feel better than everyone else.
@@yourstrulli9089Why I prefer 2D traditional fighting games and smash like platformers those don't have cheaters at all, all skill. of course anything can be hacked but i have yet to run into a single one these past 6 years unlike FPS games, Tf2, CSGO, apex, halo infinite etc etc which i always run into.
@@yourstrulli9089ikr...literally everytime my bro complains about cheaters in rank I'll just tell him to play smash, brawlhalla, or a mobile game. Imo, gaming should have been hard lock to console or a less open operating system as oppose to windows pc. Let's just hope VR does this
nice vid bro i was entertained all the way through
Good work on this. Definitely subbed🔥
Someone save us
AGREED Brotha
we need to make the VHS filter illegal fr
Finally someone says it
This aged very well with recent hacking drama
really good video
Liked and subbed, as a veteran apex player I agree! playing highly ranked games nowdays only at D3+ level feels so illfull
One true solution to cheating for any game ever would be for Sony and Xbox to create a console that allows true mouse n keyboard gaming at 240hz and to constantly update the systems so people can’t jailbreak them and play online
Even Xbox and PlayStation are not Safe. There is a hack which can make your PC to a Xbox or PlayStation, and then u can just use the normal PC Hacks. And there is also the Cronus Zen, and it doesnt look like it's really possible to detect...
@@1aarbeitNonono its not just a pc the user cheating also needs a ps4 he injects hacks into via hdmi.
Very informative video, you are one of the few people who actually seem to care about the state in which this game is in, something most players and even content creators are not
This also goes ALOT DEEPER and I would LOVE to give you my insight on a video. I have been around on the game since season 3.
I hung around boosters a couple Season ago because my irl friends became boosters but I would LOVE to give you info.
I have 1.8k subs just so uk I'm not bullshizzin.
I hope they not your friends anymore..
@@xRealUzz People get caught up in their lives. We don't hang no more
What a fantastic and informative video. I have been gaming since the days of the NES when I was just old enough to hold the controller! Now I have twin sons who are better than me at gaming 😹
Over the years though, when playing online, I have noticed many "suspect" players. I knew cheating online was a thing but I never knew how lucrative it was. I remember when the first Call of Duty back in '03 used Punkbuster Anti Cheat and it was pretty good as a deterrent to cheaters / hackers.
It's such a shame that people sink to these depths just to win and ruin everyone else's experience.
I really wish that something can be done to combat this (but I don't hold out much hope)
Thank you again for this video
"I guess, the question now is.... Where did everything all start?" **Camera slowly pans and zooms into the cat** 👀
Like the vid but I see no point in blocking the url the first time when we can see the url in ur browser after lol
This needs to blow up
This is A professional quality video for such a small channel
During your research how widespread would you say this problem is on Console? Or does it only target pc lobbies?
My highlight is being on the hitlist
They just (early last year?) stood up a new studio to develop/play test content for Apex Legends. I'd wager that the content we've seen in the last two seasons (19/20) is likely their efforts/contributions coming to fruition; furthermore, they've released back to back solutions for long awaited capabilities (cross progression and next generation) while also addressing the terrible rank situation and ring healers/exploiters(stuff along the lines of farming badges). I believe this may be (fingers crossed) a new development tempo and I'm hoping over the next few seasons we'll see additional improvements/systems/investing to solve other long standing issues (like audio, netcode, and cheating).. 🤷♂a person can dream... lol
You want to stop cheaters? Make EA take action?
Become that cheater. Find whatever way to gift people Apex Packs just like that one cheater did with Hal but do it to a massive amount of people. EA will not let that pass as this is direct money loss for them. You will likely get banned, you will likely get sued if they find out. But that would be the 100% foolproof way to make EA care; hurt their wallet.
no cheaters there, just play better.
I thought the people creating the cheats making "millions" would be enough for EA to try and go after them.
Guess not lol
Gifting away apex packs will surely get their interest haha
Very nice video, the editing is top notch. Very smooth and not too long, keep it up can def see 100k subs in the near future :)
You can never prevent cheaters on PC, it was never meant to be a multiplayer gaming platform (devlopment only) Xbox has a locked bootloader, no point spending big $$$ on PC if you like multiplayer. It's hillarious to anyone who understands how computers work that you expect this to ever change. Plug your MnK into an xbox, turn off cross-play and find out how good you really are/aren't
Great work exposing this issue. Keep up the hard work, your content shows!
Wym 😂 he Just give it free advertisement
Great video production.
we need more content creator like u for more information . nice video
Anti-cheats will never be able to ban hardware cheats unless the cheater is being very obvious
Good research and video, man.
Probably a “zero-day” cheat. For the super exclusive cheater club. That why it haven’t been detected yet
I was waiting for to be Coney the warlord for the guys exposing them
Someone speaking truth and im all for it....... Bro this video is a absolute banger. Protect homie at All Costs!
please provide links to the music used in the video
So what I’m-getting from this video is focus on reverse engineering games like apex while doing computer science and make cheats so I can make boohoo bux’s?
why is the resolution weird
I think the hard truth is that competitive integrity can never be guaranteed in PC online gaming.
True what company has completely stopped cheating? None.
Thank you for exposing these jackasses, this is main reason i went back to single player games. Time to finish Ninja on the PS1.
I love this game and this season but unfortunately this is by far the worst that cheating has ever been since I’ve started playing the game hopefully something can be done thanks for this amazing video and shedding light on this situation
love the cat hair on the mic lol
This is really entertaining, big thumbs up
Once you realize how many cheaters there are (whether its soft x-ray, scripting, Zen, Strike, Panda, etc. you get it) you'll understand why guys like Bobz, Thordan, Jankz don't talk about this more. Its bad for business. If half of your audience are fking cheaters you probably won't want to talk about it how awful it is as much. That's just my cynic brain though.
I’d also go as far as to say there’s a chance that some may even be using them.
If you look at the Cronus Zen for example, any video I’ve seen that even use the lightest version (50% reduction in Recoil) look an awful lot like a lot of those guys.
I’m not saying they are cheating, they could just be insanely consistent, but it can definitely look sketchy.
Now these patches? I think they’re called? They don’t auto lock onto people, they don’t bend bullets around corners, they don’t guarantee headshots or anything along those lines, but a 50% recoil reduction is insane.
If you imagine say the R-301 goes 1m vertical, 0.5m left, then 1m vertical again in its recoil pattern, that 50% reduction to 0.5 vertical, 0.25m left and 0.5m vertical again, it’s much easier to hit your shots once you get it on target
And the thing is, it is such a small difference that if anyone observed after you killed then, they’d see you missing shots, whiffing etc and it would - for all intents and purposes - just look like you got lucky in that firefight, yet you’re cheating.
I always thought that a Cronus Zen would be super obvious but now it’s like, for all we know people can be cheating in the least obvious ways and it pass off as if it’s either skill or luck
that's always why in cs I would joke about "toggling". keeping the x-ray turned off until its your must win round or gunfight runs rampant in that game. i definitely understand the pressure to upload consistent gameplay but at the end of the day they set the standard for the community. it's like when strike packs first started spreading in CoD. Thankfully, there's still ways to shit on these kids if you are stacking but stacking should never be a pre requisite to perform well when its a 3 man squad. Respawn knows if they enforce the "fuck you anti cheat" 1/3 of the player base will be gone. just have to try and stay positive. @@NJTRAF
@@Mellow0721 absolutely, but i'm just saying that with how the Zen can be used - like I described above just applying Patches that give "small" amounts of help (not that a 50% reduction is small but compared to how ridiculous they could make those patches it is small) you could be in a lobby with 56 cheaters and not be able to tell if they're not going completely over the top with it. That shit is really difficult to tell from gameplay alone
I'm genuinely surprised at the quality of this, the 3D scenes are so unique I don't even know what program you used to make them. High-quality content that I feel is just going to keep getting better. I'm excited to see what you'll come out with next.
You need to get a class action lawsuit going against Respawn/EA, but gamers won't do it. They are selling a knowingly broken product, that is a scam.
Agreed
I have not played Apex since watson was released, downloaded apex for the first time in forever last night first game got in to a lobby with someone rage hacking. I play call of duty, so I’m used to people cheating with ESP and things of that sort But it seems no matter what game you play nowadays it is getting out of hand.
For my fellow xbox players In the settings you can block cross platform play in your account settings on the xbox forcing the game to put you against only console players this works for cod as well as Apex Legends
Limiting cross play only reduces the cheaters against you to using Cronus/zen but they’re still there. Had to turn crossplay on cod last week because it was getting really bad. That’s when I noticed a new cheater trick that lags the shit out of me, but only when I’m flying a helicopter. Makes it almost impossible to pilot. I guess I’m supposed to be gaslit into thinking my fiber internet is bad… but only when I fly… 🤷♂️
I'm from Brazil and on my country's servers this season there are many hackers appearing with their nicknames all in Chinese using aimbot. In 5 years of playing the game I had never seen a hack in matches and this season things are getting worse respawn/EA needs to do something
Onlines games are slowly getting unplayable... I'm 40, I've been playing online games since the mid 90s with Doom on a 28.8k dialup modem. I think the first time I really encountered cheaters was on a cracked version of Counter-Strike 1.6 while playing on Russian servers. Cracked servers didn't have any anti-cheat but it was still relatively playable because most cheaters back then were programmers that were experimenting and/or doing stupid stuff to make us laugh. Even the cracked CS Russian servers back then were a lot more playable than any online game that we have today... It's pretty sad to see this.
Its not just the aimbots and other obvious cheats, etc
What annoys me the most is the wallhackers
Subscription model cheats is WILD.
Really well made video. Glad The gaming Merchant reacted to it.
He gives the vibe of "its over" like guys this company dont care they probably got people on the inside getting paid for this shit
I swear bro I was loving the game then on Thursday the the 15th feb just cheater after cheater walling or aim bot it’s like a switch got clicked or the devs stopped doing something
It isn't just Apex having this issue. It's the FPS genre in general. People will always be scummy no matter what. They will take the shortest route to feeling like they're "good" at the game without putting in the time to learn anything. I genuinely believe that we need an anti-cheat that can look at inputs and behavior with deep learning.
I've been an fps gamer for 15 years. I've seen many different waves of cheating across many titles over the years. It's never been like it is now cheating is the mainstream and nothing is being done about it. I think we are at or nearing a breaking point.
Has a Titanfall 2 player i see this has a absolut win
Rip Modern day multiplayer gaming, Ai winning
It's not like they aren't trying to ban the cheaters. They banned 72 preds and masters yesterday, including two preds in top 50. It's just about preventing that these people can play the game in the first place
high quality video , keep it up
dont think for a second these game devs dont get kick back on these cheats also the anti cheat company
The constant doom music is making it hard to focus...just making me laugh
Here's what I think; corporate wants a share of the hacker profits so they white list the cheaters that are part of the hacker affiliate network, who also, lowkey, advertises the sale of backdoor hardware circumventing the cheat detection in COD and other mainstream games.
...Or, corporate is just lazy
amazing content, new sub here. keep it going dude
This video need to get viral! 😢
Could they make an anticheat that if any other program is runnin in the backround the game wont load .. the game can be the only program running
Got hacked last month, week 2 player almost all battle passes maxed then lost it all to a ban that is not in my control showed support all they needed said no 3 times. 😔
switched from xbox to pc with no 2ffa on 😢
Can you expose massive ddos attacks I'm having recently only on rank? Thanks.
Happens on every game very easy to do with a Botnet and free software
They also need to fix the servers, the regs of fired bullets is very inconsistent