This is what so many “TRIGGERED” people get wrong. Crying about how bad you are treated only makes people think you are weak. You want respect, stand up, be confident, and work towards a goal.
That's why elevator scenes are so important to Mad Men. Every time, someone will have a discovery, a verbal spar, etc. And the thing will stop and say DING! when it's time to give someone a point.
Does it have to be a reference, though? Pretty sure Ayn Rand is not the only person to have thought of that comeback, I've heard it often by people who definitely aren't familiar with her work.
The problem is, the next shot is of Don walking away and, soon enough, looking worried. He does think about Ginsberg. He knows he's the next thing. The episode begins with Don noticing all of the work Ginsberg is doing, and he comes out of "retirement" (in terms of writing copy) to see if he still has it. In the end, he chooses not to go up against Michael because he fears he'll lose and...inside he knows Ginsberg's idea is better. That's why the "I don't think of you at all" line is so great. It seems almost cliched, but it's hollow. It hides a secret doubt.
JoeyBooey How does Don's secret doubt make him a winner? He may be a winner, but how does his fear of Ginsberg's talent in this scene make him a winner?
Frank Dodd the secret doubt doesn't make him a winner its his ability to crush the soul of his competition even though Ginsberg is better that makes him better. If you can't be better, be stronger because in the end the strong rule regardless of who has the better idea
Except in that instance we're annoyed, in this instance we're applauding Don for being a bad ass (despite the subtext of him actually thinking about him). Well most of us are anyway. There are always that select group of annoying people who are like "YOU DONT GET IT!!! YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DESPISE DON BY THIS POINT IN THE SHOW!!!" lol.
This scene and the reaction to it in the comments section really lay bare the schism within the mad men audience between those who seem to mainly enjoy the show as a vicarious ego fantasy of the great Don Draper and those who understand that he is a fundamentally flawed and ultimately unhappy main character. Of course it’s fun to tag along with a man who wields so much social power, but it often amazes me (as with Tony Soprano and Walter White) how much of the audience seems oblivious to the fact that Don’s success is only superficial and in fact the show revolves entirely around his own lack of satisfaction with himself and his life.
It is really two different sections isnt it? To be fair, if you just watch the first season or two, it's easy to just have fun with it. But that's why I love the last season so much. People start pointing out to Don how the rules really only work for him and how for other people things dont work out. That makes watching older scenes like where he fires Price (and assures him he'll get back on his feet) so much more powerful. This scene and the "That what the money is for!" scene are so great on a rewatch. He's just trying to convince himself, but he's such a good actor if you're not completely focused on his inner mind it'll fly right by you.
It is both things at the same time really. He has to diss him he came for the king and wasn't ready but those of us who really know, know it's about his insecurity.
the writers kinda guided Don and did whatever they wanted with him. Then the audience that think Don is a winner gets trashed for those moments where he gets build up. People are strange.
You can tell who hasn’t actually watched the show by how they react to this scene. Don sabotaged Ginsberg’s pitch because he knew it was better than his own. This isn’t some brutal takedown of Ginsberg. It’s the bluster of a deeply insecure man.
It's not that people DON'T know the context. It's that it's that they don't care cause it's a meme and the singular context of just that put down is relatable.
Ultraspontane so was Pete doesn't stop both from becoming very valuable assets to the firm family names got them through the door but it wouldn't have kept them there forever if they weren't talented
Peggy didn't get pissed about Don preferring Ginsberg's idea over hers, though. She realized his idea was better than hers and didn't get her ego hurt, unlike Don.
Don tried to stop Peggy, and she had to leave the agency. Don tried to stop Ginsberg and he went insane. He couldn't handle any threat without being Machiavellian and ruthless.
@Ultraspontane You're thinking of Danny, Jane's cousin. Michael got in by impressing Peggy and Stan with his portfolio and his short interview with Don.
@@youtubeuser_apxubks22h That Don was agonizing this whole episode about Ginsberg being very talented and maybe more talented than he is. He thinks about Ginsberg a lot.
Pete threw the team under the bus by selling his idea without the team knowing that is a way of trying to sabotage the presentation of Don and Salvatore on purspose.
Don kept acquiring more of Ayn Rand's philosophies ever since Sterling Cooper asked him to read Atlas Shrugged in season one. Draper must have taken a liking to her books, since he used a quote straight from the pages of The Fountainhead. The amount of character development detail in this series is impeccable.
That made me think, I couldn’t help but notice that the sentence was told to Ginsborg in a kind of a forced mean way (Ginsborg say “I feel bad…” and not “I think”) and we also know at that point that Ginsborg is a talented copywriter so Don must do think about him. It’s very different from the way Howard Roark told Tohy that sentence, Roark told it in a much honest and truthful way, disrespectful only by the meaning and not by the tone. When I saw Mad Men at first I instantly saw the imagination between Don and Roark but soon realize they are not the same, Don is a much more incomplete, broken, insecure, confused character then Roark. For me the scene shows us that Don maybe wish to be like Roark but is failing, because let’s face it. 99% of the fountainhead readers (including) me wish to be like Howard Roark but no one can truly be because his a fictional character and “bigger than life” in some way. Just my thoughts :)
From The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand: "“Toohey: "Mr. Roark, we're alone here. Why don't you tell me what you think of me? In any words you wish. No one will hear us." Roark: "But I don't think of you.” Now, that's a shot.
@@timovangalen1589 Ginsberg was a creative talent but he was not at the level of Draper who knew that as well. As Don pointed out it was all about business and not how creative a person was. Don was pretty messed up and people took that to mean that he was constantly insecure when it was the fact he was unable to bond or build relationships. Don had a naturally destructive side to him that would pop up every now and then but this scene and act was not one of them.
"i have this clip in 1080p with perfect audio should i upload it?" "nah turn it into a gif and then sync it up with the audio but record the audio with your phone listening to the tv" "perfect."
The line is epic but the context is don feeling threatened by a better idea. He is afraid that ginsburg is a greater talent than he is, and he has the power to eliminate the threat. So he does despite it being better creative work. I think this puts dons character in a worse light.
Don is despicable at times: most of the team agreed his idea wasn't as good, yet he intentionally left his inferior's work in the taxi not even giving it a chance. Talk about ego. He's already super rich & proven to be good at his job, why thrawt a young rising talent then tell him u have no care for him
Nothing to do with better. Don wants to win the contracts. Too many people think it is all about art and creativity. The actual pitches were as much about Dons presentations as they were about the content.
bighand69 lol that doesn’t make sense, don would have been able to pitch just as well with Ginsbergs idea, besides even if you don’t think art and creativity is that important, the actual idea is.
i think you missed the fucking line bro,,,its like some one saying after a soccer game. That was a close game huh ? Ya, to bad we won! Don was dissing the kid. Don smoked him and shattered his world, and just walks out of the elevator without even thinking twice. Has nothing to do with right or wrong, i think ur just to sensitive to understand what just happened. The kid got fucking owned and don smoked him.
@@Killercoldice22 Ok, I have to assume you don't watch the show, because you are wrong. Don is hung up on Ginsberg this whole episode and feels threatened by him. He went with his own idea because he is insecure about someone being better than him at what he's best at. This is made excruciatingly clear over the course of the episode. Don Draper is awesome, but he's also fundamentally broken. If the show were focussed on Ginsberg, you would for sure look at Don as pathetic and childish in this scene.
@@a.m.hofmeister725 lol seen the show 3 fucking times christ wow where the hell are you from. Bro this is don draper the boss. He isnt going to sit there and admit it that some one else had a better idea...have you seen the show??? If you have you would know then THIS ISNT THE FIRST TIME DON WENT WITH his own IDEA. HE SHOOTS GOOD IDEAS DOWN WEEKLY WHEN THEY AINT HIS IDEA. HE ALWAYS HAS TO BE SEEN AS TOP DOG. That is how don is. This isnt a good world where the better idea or person gets the credit. The bosses in the suits always take credit. Dont be so literal, dam you idiot lol. I bet you get upset just like that kid to. That kid isnt very stable to and he deserved to be put in his place with how he acted towards don lol. Don is the boss and that guy is lucky don didnt fire him on the spot. That emotional snowflake would of been fired by other people. Lucky don isnt that much of an asshole. Now I think you need to watch the show again and study human interactions cause it clearly went above your head.
@@MansoorAuto2k It´s hard to choose which is best because they´re totally different, but those are my two favourite shows, they are something else, for sure...
DINIS PAULINO I think in terms of consistency in the writing, relating to the plot and character development breaking bad takes the cake. By that I mean there was never a dull moment in breaking bad IMO; always introducing new, unique, and prominent characters like Saul, Gus, Mike, etc. The plot was always juicy and interesting (there were a couple boring streaks of episodes in mad men). Not to mention the utter genius of the way they implement significant symbolism in almost every episode of breaking bad. If you can’t tell I’m a Vince Gilligan fan boy lol. Mad men was an amazing show, but I truly think breaking bad is just a piece of art. And don’t even get me started on Better Call Saul 😍.
Toohey: "Mr. Roark, we're alone here. Why don't you tell me what you think of me? In any words you wish. No one will hear us." Roark: "But I don't think of you.” -- Ayn Rand, The Fountainhead, 1943
yeah but in that context the Toohey set Roark up to say that, in this case it was an affirmative insult by don, basically ginsberg said "here's what I think of you" and don said "I don't think about you at all" as a counter insult.
By this time in the novel, Toohey had expressed his opinion of Roark repeatedly in his column, or if you prefer, "Here's what I think of you." My quoting of Rand wasn't meant to imply that the writers of Mad Men are quoting Rand directly and that the scene in the elevator is exactly the same as the scene between Toohey and Roark; rather, my intent is to correctly identify the source: the parting shot isn't an original line, i.e. the source, the idea is Rand's.
maybe only interesting to me but 9 years later my memory thought this line was directed at pete. and i had all but forgotten ginsberg existed before being reminded here.
I hated the route they took with his character, it made sense though with his background that he'd have mental problems but I just thought it was a nasty way for a great character to go out. Wish he had a happier ending he was a good guy and he wasn't afraid to stand up to the bosses.
Everybody acts like this is the greatest insult, but it really isn't. For one thing, Don thinks about Ginsberg ALL the time. He thinks about Ginbserg during the creative review, he tries his lame Snowball idea because he saw Ginsberg's, he deliberately leaves Ginsberg's work behind in the taxicab, just so he can pitch his own idea because he's so threatened. Ginsberg is Don's direct employee, just like Peggy and Stan. You think Don never thinks about Peggy or Stan, either? Plus, Ginzo is outshining Don. Don is gnawed by envy at the young man's talent. He obviously thinks about him a lot. Secondly, if you are as talented as Ginzo you don't really need your boss to think about you. You can just rise up on the merit of your own talent. Why is such a HUGE insult for your boss not to be thinking about you? Does this line speak to some American Workplace Narcissism that I don't understand? Ginsberg is the real genius and they both know it, whether or not Don acts haughty about it.
I agree completely but the reason it sounds "bad ass" Is Because Don appears as though he is so powerful, dominant and talented that someone like Ginsburg doesn't even cross his mind.
@@KitCalder No, it isn't. It is more like helping someone save face. Your master should be proud that you have outgrown him. Unless he is mentoring you for his own sake.
I always took this as a tough love mentoring moment. Ginsberg is talented and they both know it, Don is showing Ginsberg that talent alone won't guarantee success. If you're not willing to fight tooth and nail for every shot, someone out there who's more hungry than you WILL ALWAYS outplay you.
@@bighands69 Nah. Don's willing to play some dirty pool to get what he wants, Ginsberg is smart but he's a good boy, not really a threat to him. Unlike Pete in earlier seasons.
Hate is not the opposite of love. That would be indifference. People want to matter, for better or for worse. Their ultimate fear however, is being irrelevant.
Unpopular opinion: "I don't think about you at all." I never bought that line as being sincere from Don. To me Don was just knocking back Ginsberg's insult playground style. The truth is , Ginsberg's words hurt , because he and Don both knew that Ginsberg's ideas were better and that Don had to cheat to win.
@@dominicblade6514 if you remember , the consensus amongst the sales team was that Ginsberg's idea was better than Don's and that Don should present them both. Don left Ginsberg's boards in the cab on purpose and only presented his own work to the client , so yeah cheating. And no need to get personal over a tv show.
Great line and response! However, not to be used in all situations. Used on my father, got cut out of any inheritance. Found out when he reused the line at his Will reading
What I don't understand is, how come in most of elevator scenes, the two characters enter and leave on different floors. Even if now, the office is two floors, they should either get on the elevator on different floor (office) and leave on the same (ground floor), or vice versa.
IKB 79 Duh! but after work why would people who work in the same office get on the elevator at different floors? Even if we assume they get on the elevator at the same floor as their office, why wouldn't they get off on the same floor (ground), its not as if one of them had a car parked in the basement!
menduphysics i mean, they would rather go up one floor and then go back down or just take the stairs, because they really don't want to go out at the same place.
menduphysics a lot of film productions do that and similar things that wouldn't actually make sense when you think about it, but it's all part of the ~~movie magic~~ :p
From Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead: Ellsworth Toohey - "Why don't you tell me what you think of me. In any words you wish. No one will hear us." Howard Roark - "But I don't think of you."
but he's not the big cheese. his ideas aren't as good anymore, ginsberg is the one with the best ideas, and while don is still his boss, i still think this scene is more about don's insecurity. he was knocking ginsberg down to size because of his insecurity.
Things I learned from Mad Men: Indifference is the ultimate insult.
whats this show
Amen to that. This is the coldest line over ever heard
@@colereynolds2587 and that is how most people think towards others i.e that's how I think about you and of course is how you think about me
“The universe is indifferent.” - Don Draper
This is what so many “TRIGGERED” people get wrong. Crying about how bad you are treated only makes people think you are weak. You want respect, stand up, be confident, and work towards a goal.
I love the sound of the elevator. It sounds like a scoreboard point going to Don
Great observation
this is such a great comment. Damn.
That's why elevator scenes are so important to Mad Men. Every time, someone will have a discovery, a verbal spar, etc. And the thing will stop and say DING! when it's time to give someone a point.
yeah man, you are good
Ha, I wouldnt put it past the directors to have intended that, however, I also think they were implying that DOn absolutely thinks about Ginsberg
Probably a hat-tip to a scene from Casablanca:
"You despise me, don't you?"
"If I gave you any thought, I probably would."
Phil H Or fron the fountainhead by ayn rand:
Why don't you tell me what you think of me? ... Roark: "But I don't think of you.”
Phil H Jos is correct, it's an Ayn Rand reference and there are numerous others scattered through out the show. The creator is a huge Rand fan
Does it have to be a reference, though? Pretty sure Ayn Rand is not the only person to have thought of that comeback, I've heard it often by people who definitely aren't familiar with her work.
Rick Blane - Don Draper, not a million miles away from each other
Good line and actually the smart way to be, dont waste time on trash life is short
The problem is, the next shot is of Don walking away and, soon enough, looking worried. He does think about Ginsberg. He knows he's the next thing. The episode begins with Don noticing all of the work Ginsberg is doing, and he comes out of "retirement" (in terms of writing copy) to see if he still has it. In the end, he chooses not to go up against Michael because he fears he'll lose and...inside he knows Ginsberg's idea is better. That's why the "I don't think of you at all" line is so great. It seems almost cliched, but it's hollow. It hides a secret doubt.
Thats why Don's a winner
JoeyBooey How does Don's secret doubt make him a winner? He may be a winner, but how does his fear of Ginsberg's talent in this scene make him a winner?
Frank Dodd he who has the power makes the rules. That's y hes a winner.
000PrePre000 That doesn't answer my question or elaborate on your original point: how does Don's secret doubt make him a winner?
Frank Dodd the secret doubt doesn't make him a winner its his ability to crush the soul of his competition even though Ginsberg is better that makes him better. If you can't be better, be stronger because in the end the strong rule regardless of who has the better idea
this looks so badass without context but watching the episode and knowing that don got kind of obsessed with Ginsberg makes this clip so much better.
Nope.
Don is obsessed with winning. And there are always going to be challenges to Don that is just the natural order of nature.
@@bighands69 Yeah and Don is obsessed with Ginsberg cuz he knows Ginsberg could outdo him
@@LordVader1094 he can’t outdo Don and he didn’t lol
@@usanumba1916 he wont shag you
The people who think Don is winning in this show are the real losers.
I clicked on a video, to watch a man, say something, I knew he was going to say...
The real joy is getting to that point.
Then comes the release.
I found what I was looking for
Turned out not to be the video how strange, thank you
I know dude, it still amazes me for what we call entertainment
That's because you know it was that good of a scene
yes, and?
“You took everything from me.”
“I don’t even know who you are.”
Same energy.
ayy lmao tho...this fucking comment
He really didn't know who she was, so, no.
“It was Tuesday.”
He sure as fuck learned tho.
Wanda had him dead to rights. Would’ve been out right dead if not for the rest of his army there.
Except in that instance we're annoyed, in this instance we're applauding Don for being a bad ass (despite the subtext of him actually thinking about him).
Well most of us are anyway. There are always that select group of annoying people who are like "YOU DONT GET IT!!! YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DESPISE DON BY THIS POINT IN THE SHOW!!!" lol.
"I don't think about you at all" Proceeds to think about him the entire episode.
If it’s his job do you think he has a choice lol
This scene and the reaction to it in the comments section really lay bare the schism within the mad men audience between those who seem to mainly enjoy the show as a vicarious ego fantasy of the great Don Draper and those who understand that he is a fundamentally flawed and ultimately unhappy main character. Of course it’s fun to tag along with a man who wields so much social power, but it often amazes me (as with Tony Soprano and Walter White) how much of the audience seems oblivious to the fact that Don’s success is only superficial and in fact the show revolves entirely around his own lack of satisfaction with himself and his life.
Hes actually miserable in alot of ways despite some of his Mary sue qualities (untold wealth, attractive to all women, smooth)
It is really two different sections isnt it? To be fair, if you just watch the first season or two, it's easy to just have fun with it. But that's why I love the last season so much. People start pointing out to Don how the rules really only work for him and how for other people things dont work out. That makes watching older scenes like where he fires Price (and assures him he'll get back on his feet) so much more powerful. This scene and the "That what the money is for!" scene are so great on a rewatch. He's just trying to convince himself, but he's such a good actor if you're not completely focused on his inner mind it'll fly right by you.
exactly!! thank you!!!
Toxic masculinity is a hell of a drug.
And people say their isn't anything good about youtube comments!
This scene is Don Draper to a T. People think he's dissing Ginsberg and being a boss when he's really just hiding his deep-rooted insecurities.
It is both things at the same time really. He has to diss him he came for the king and wasn't ready but those of us who really know, know it's about his insecurity.
He’s still so damn cool while doing it
@@parabellum5503 Yeah I wish more people understood that, this was a show full of layers and more than one thing going on at a time.
the writers kinda guided Don and did whatever they wanted with him. Then the audience that think Don is a winner gets trashed for those moments where he gets build up. People are strange.
Don has no insecurities about Ginsberg he has is demons but that is to be expect because Don grew up with abuses and a whore house for a home.
You can tell who hasn’t actually watched the show by how they react to this scene. Don sabotaged Ginsberg’s pitch because he knew it was better than his own. This isn’t some brutal takedown of Ginsberg. It’s the bluster of a deeply insecure man.
Which is why Mad Men is the 4th greatest TV show of all time, it is masterful stuff
And yet more insecure men will put it into ‘sigma’ edits
Exactly!
It's not that people DON'T know the context. It's that it's that they don't care cause it's a meme and the singular context of just that put down is relatable.
@@14192jnnah I saw a meme and now I obviously gotta watch the whole show to understand the actual context
Everything changed for Ginsberg when he started smoking weed, mellowed out A LOT, and moved out to Silicon Valley to become a lawyer.
only to move to St. Louis and work at Cloud9
it;s hilarious that actors have more than one role some times. brilliant observation
@@DIGITAL7Media and Don (I’m sorry, Richard Wayne Gary Wayne) is somewhere out where, capturing young females
He was also in Drop Dead Diva
fuckin lawyers man right?
I just started watching Superstore, saw Ben Feldman, and immediately thought of this scene. An absolute classic.
It sounds like I’m listening to this on the other end of two cans connected by a string.
🤣🤣🤣
my screen scrape app was whack
funny thing is how talented ginsberg was. when peggy AND Don are threatened by your work, you know you're good!
Ultraspontane so was Pete doesn't stop both from becoming very valuable assets to the firm family names got them through the door but it wouldn't have kept them there forever if they weren't talented
@Ultraspontane ain't nothing wrong with that
Peggy didn't get pissed about Don preferring Ginsberg's idea over hers, though. She realized his idea was better than hers and didn't get her ego hurt, unlike Don.
Don tried to stop Peggy, and she had to leave the agency. Don tried to stop Ginsberg and he went insane. He couldn't handle any threat without being Machiavellian and ruthless.
@Ultraspontane You're thinking of Danny, Jane's cousin. Michael got in by impressing Peggy and Stan with his portfolio and his short interview with Don.
" I don't think about you at all", thats the worst thing you could say to a guy like Ginsberg or anyone for that matter-
that was the point
IKB 79 😂
Not everyone is scrabbling for the attention of those around them.
how can you just destroy his will to live like that
God this show was written beautifully
Too bad Don is being dishonest. If only Ginsberg knew.
Actually you've identified one of the most essential skills to life: being aware that the other person only knows what you let them know.
Yep, if only Ginsberg knew maybe he wouldn't have cut off his nipple
Knew what?
@@youtubeuser_apxubks22h That Don was agonizing this whole episode about Ginsberg being very talented and maybe more talented than he is. He thinks about Ginsberg a lot.
@@mummyjohn you can't control chaos
"BOOM! ROASTED!"
-Michael Scott
"It's TOASTED".
@@33o6sew Lucky Strike 😎
This scene really hits hard when you realize what happened to his character later in the series both of them really
Nothing happened to Don that was just his life from when he was a child with no real change.
Who knew ol Mike was into nipple play
"and they bought it, which is our goal isn't it?"
Don didn't think that when that Bethlehem Steel guy bought Pete's idea
Pete went over his head.
Campbell is in accounts
Worked out well for Bethlehem Steel years later though. Perhaps they should've gone with Don's idea.
Pete threw the team under the bus by selling his idea without the team knowing that is a way of trying to sabotage the presentation of Don and Salvatore on purspose.
This guy lost his job and now works at cloud 9
Don kept acquiring more of Ayn Rand's philosophies ever since Sterling Cooper asked him to read Atlas Shrugged in season one. Draper must have taken a liking to her books, since he used a quote straight from the pages of The Fountainhead. The amount of character development detail in this series is impeccable.
What philosophies are you referring to exactly?
The philosophies of Ayn Rand or the philosophies that Don acquired?
The philosophies that don acquired, can you give examples?
That made me think, I couldn’t help but notice that the sentence was told to Ginsborg in a kind of a forced mean way (Ginsborg say “I feel bad…” and not “I think”) and we also know at that point that Ginsborg is a talented copywriter so Don must do think about him. It’s very different from the way Howard Roark told Tohy that sentence, Roark told it in a much honest and truthful way, disrespectful only by the meaning and not by the tone. When I saw Mad Men at first I instantly saw the imagination between Don and Roark but soon realize they are not the same, Don is a much more incomplete, broken, insecure, confused character then Roark. For me the scene shows us that Don maybe wish to be like Roark but is failing, because let’s face it. 99% of the fountainhead readers (including) me wish to be like Howard Roark but no one can truly be because his a fictional character and “bigger than life” in some way. Just my thoughts :)
John Gary It reminded me of the fountainhead the minute i saw this.
I think it's time to rewatch this epic show
From The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand: "“Toohey: "Mr. Roark, we're alone here. Why don't you tell me what you think of me? In any words you wish. No one will hear us."
Roark: "But I don't think of you.” Now, that's a shot.
Exactly right, instantly came to mind.
Just saw this episode a couple hours ago, and this pops into the UA-cam recommendations 🤷♂️
It was a badass line but Don was so insecure about Ginsberg lol. Really tried his best to cover his feelings.
Don is not insecure about Ginsberg. Don is constantly dealing with his own Demons.
@@bighands69 He sabotaged Ginsberg’s pitch because he knew it was better than his own. That screams insecurity.
@@timovangalen1589
Ginsberg was a creative talent but he was not at the level of Draper who knew that as well. As Don pointed out it was all about business and not how creative a person was. Don was pretty messed up and people took that to mean that he was constantly insecure when it was the fact he was unable to bond or build relationships. Don had a naturally destructive side to him that would pop up every now and then but this scene and act was not one of them.
"i have this clip in 1080p with perfect audio should i upload it?" "nah turn it into a gif and then sync
it up with the audio but record the audio with your phone listening to the tv" "perfect."
Texas: "I feel bad for you"
Baker: "I don't think about you at all"
Don Draper is like a sith lord in this haha
The prequels are awful you dumb fuck
@@ejflor1313 What an aggressive little person you are. Take a chill pill
2nd rate Bates.
Too many people like that in my life honestly!! But I just plod on.
The line is epic but the context is don feeling threatened by a better idea. He is afraid that ginsburg is a greater talent than he is, and he has the power to eliminate the threat. So he does despite it being better creative work.
I think this puts dons character in a worse light.
"the opposite of love isnt hate, its indifference"
I loved this guy, I wish we'd gotten more of him
I agree, which is why I was so confused about his exit. I know its possible, but the direction was still weird.
I had to leave the show to go work at Cloud 9.
The ease in which Don reduces people is effortless
A comeback so brutal it made a man cut his nipple off.
I love this scene but people that worship Don Draper are completely missing the point of the show.
Don is despicable at times: most of the team agreed his idea wasn't as good, yet he intentionally left his inferior's work in the taxi not even giving it a chance. Talk about ego. He's already super rich & proven to be good at his job, why thrawt a young rising talent then tell him u have no care for him
Cause, when your alpha you can do anything and not experience any consequences. Don is the ultimate Chad
Don was correct the whole purpose was to win contracts not be artistic.
@@1994CPK cringe
@@1994CPK Alpha lol
@@1994CPK 🙄
Hows this a badass line? he threw the other dudes work out cuz he knew it was better, pretty pathetic lol, and he DID think about him right after
Nothing to do with better. Don wants to win the contracts. Too many people think it is all about art and creativity. The actual pitches were as much about Dons presentations as they were about the content.
bighand69 lol that doesn’t make sense, don would have been able to pitch just as well with Ginsbergs idea, besides even if you don’t think art and creativity is that important, the actual idea is.
i think you missed the fucking line bro,,,its like some one saying after a soccer game. That was a close game huh ? Ya, to bad we won! Don was dissing the kid. Don smoked him and shattered his world, and just walks out of the elevator without even thinking twice. Has nothing to do with right or wrong, i think ur just to sensitive to understand what just happened. The kid got fucking owned and don smoked him.
@@Killercoldice22 Ok, I have to assume you don't watch the show, because you are wrong. Don is hung up on Ginsberg this whole episode and feels threatened by him. He went with his own idea because he is insecure about someone being better than him at what he's best at. This is made excruciatingly clear over the course of the episode. Don Draper is awesome, but he's also fundamentally broken. If the show were focussed on Ginsberg, you would for sure look at Don as pathetic and childish in this scene.
@@a.m.hofmeister725 lol seen the show 3 fucking times christ wow where the hell are you from. Bro this is don draper the boss. He isnt going to sit there and admit it that some one else had a better idea...have you seen the show??? If you have you would know then THIS ISNT THE FIRST TIME DON WENT WITH his own IDEA. HE SHOOTS GOOD IDEAS DOWN WEEKLY WHEN THEY AINT HIS IDEA. HE ALWAYS HAS TO BE SEEN AS TOP DOG. That is how don is. This isnt a good world where the better idea or person gets the credit. The bosses in the suits always take credit. Dont be so literal, dam you idiot lol. I bet you get upset just like that kid to. That kid isnt very stable to and he deserved to be put in his place with how he acted towards don lol. Don is the boss and that guy is lucky don didnt fire him on the spot. That emotional snowflake would of been fired by other people. Lucky don isnt that much of an asshole. Now I think you need to watch the show again and study human interactions cause it clearly went above your head.
Hands down the best-written television show of all times.
Have you seen breaking bad?
@@MansoorAuto2k that's my man
@@MansoorAuto2k It´s hard to choose which is best because they´re totally different, but those are my two favourite shows, they are something else, for sure...
DINIS PAULINO I think in terms of consistency in the writing, relating to the plot and character development breaking bad takes the cake. By that I mean there was never a dull moment in breaking bad IMO; always introducing new, unique, and prominent characters like Saul, Gus, Mike, etc. The plot was always juicy and interesting (there were a couple boring streaks of episodes in mad men). Not to mention the utter genius of the way they implement significant symbolism in almost every episode of breaking bad. If you can’t tell I’m a Vince Gilligan fan boy lol. Mad men was an amazing show, but I truly think breaking bad is just a piece of art. And don’t even get me started on Better Call Saul 😍.
Peaky Blinders blows them all out of the water.
Toohey: "Mr. Roark, we're alone here. Why don't you tell me what you think of me? In any words you wish. No one will hear us."
Roark: "But I don't think of you.”
-- Ayn Rand, The Fountainhead, 1943
Thanks dude, this help my research :)
im so happy i was not the only one thinking about this
Read that book not too long ago and thought of this scene.
yeah but in that context the Toohey set Roark up to say that, in this case it was an affirmative insult by don, basically ginsberg said "here's what I think of you" and don said "I don't think about you at all" as a counter insult.
By this time in the novel, Toohey had expressed his opinion of Roark repeatedly in his column, or if you prefer, "Here's what I think of you." My quoting of Rand wasn't meant to imply that the writers of Mad Men are quoting Rand directly and that the scene in the elevator is exactly the same as the scene between Toohey and Roark; rather, my intent is to correctly identify the source: the parting shot isn't an original line, i.e. the source, the idea is Rand's.
"I don't think about you at all" -- BURN. Don gives the best put-downs.
Beat nick- you cant go out there man
Draper - you cant
It wasn’t a burn as he does think about him.
I loved Mad Men but this scene resonated with me to this day
Awesome put-down, just too bad it had to go to a good character like Ginsberg.
+Steve Holt Nice guys finish last
That’s why I’ll treat you like trash
Ginsberg sucked
They barely did anything with Ginsberg past that episode then they made him crazy.
@@xtc___3027 not what I really want to dooo
Has to be one of my favorite lines of all time, so cold 😂
Ron LaFlamme was so devastated by that comment that he moved to Silicon Valley and became a lawyer
It's so weird seeing him in that role after this one
And after that he went to work at a retail store to escape the high pressures of being a lawyer.
Such high quality audio.
"Goodnight, Paul. ..... I love doing that."
"I guess im lucky you work for me" lmaooo I need to rewatch this show. couldn't finish season 7 in college
THIS IS LITERALLY STRAIGHT FROM THE FOUNTAINHEAD
Brennan Finnegan Roark - One of the greatest characters ever written!!
I've been meaning to read that book for so long. unfortunately I will only have time in a month or so. hope I don't forget about it until then
ho disperatilor it’s a terrible book.
Orwellianson why do you say that?
@@itsmeyaboi4386 Here we go...
"...the greatest insult an enemy can suffer. To be ignored." Warlord Okeer, Mass Effect 2
The bell sounds. Draper in elevators, draper in planes. Draper doing Yoga. Bells are always sounding.
maybe only interesting to me but 9 years later my memory thought this line was directed at pete. and i had all but forgotten ginsberg existed before being reminded here.
This is one of the best scenes in television
God I could rewatch this show again
Best line of the series.
I used this today with Don in mind. I always think if I won like Don did I truly hope so.
@Stellvia Hoenheim You created a youtube account three weeks ago to leave three comments in total... pathetic
I hated the route they took with his character, it made sense though with his background that he'd have mental problems but I just thought it was a nasty way for a great character to go out. Wish he had a happier ending he was a good guy and he wasn't afraid to stand up to the bosses.
He was an obsessed social justice activist. Many of them are mentally ill hence why they will commit acts of violence and try to tear down the system.
@@bighands69
Truth
The opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference. This is why.
Hate is just love turned bitter.
Indifference is the key.
He probably thinks of him a little.
Yup, it is about power. But I love watching the advertising pitches.
It is about sales and that is down mainly to Don. When they had a hard big pitch it was Don who made the play.
Nuked from fucking orbit. Damn son
Those last words are ones to live by~
except he doesn't actually put Ginsberg in his place. they both know that Don is intimidated by Ginsberg's talent.
Yeah no
@@Axel-ye8tt yeah yes.
Judging by his face he doesn't know yet
At this point Ginsberg had no idea how insecure Don was or how much he felt threatened by him.
Axel the show literally implies that don was intimated by his talent lol
that's why i only gave single option design to my client.
Don is absolutely savage here.
So that's how Jonah really ended up getting a job at a superstore
Hey! It's Blizzard talking to their dev team.
What no one realizes is that Don can't mean that, you can't not think of someone and say that, it takes at least a moment of contemplating
Everybody acts like this is the greatest insult, but it really isn't.
For one thing, Don thinks about Ginsberg ALL the time. He thinks about Ginbserg during the creative review, he tries his lame Snowball idea because he saw Ginsberg's, he deliberately leaves Ginsberg's work behind in the taxicab, just so he can pitch his own idea because he's so threatened.
Ginsberg is Don's direct employee, just like Peggy and Stan. You think Don never thinks about Peggy or Stan, either? Plus, Ginzo is outshining Don. Don is gnawed by envy at the young man's talent. He obviously thinks about him a lot.
Secondly, if you are as talented as Ginzo you don't really need your boss to think about you. You can just rise up on the merit of your own talent. Why is such a HUGE insult for your boss not to be thinking about you? Does this line speak to some American Workplace Narcissism that I don't understand?
Ginsberg is the real genius and they both know it, whether or not Don acts haughty about it.
I agree completely but the reason it sounds "bad ass" Is Because Don appears as though he is so powerful, dominant and talented that someone like Ginsburg doesn't even cross his mind.
Teacher: you're not gonna amount to shit when you graduate
Me: 0:42
Ginsberg broke the first law of power...Never try to outshine the master.
That only matters if your master is truly weak and insecure about being outshined.
Damn I looked at the book, and it really is the first law; nice.
@@mochilover7053 It's just basic etiquette.
@@KitCalder No, it isn't. It is more like helping someone save face. Your master should be proud that you have outgrown him. Unless he is mentoring you for his own sake.
@@mochilover7053 Ideally yes, but we're talking real life here with all its sins.
One of my fav scenes from madmen
I always took this as a tough love mentoring moment. Ginsberg is talented and they both know it, Don is showing Ginsberg that talent alone won't guarantee success. If you're not willing to fight tooth and nail for every shot, someone out there who's more hungry than you WILL ALWAYS outplay you.
Nonsense.
Ginsberg was a pain and Don had to deal with him all the time. He was talented but was also trouble.
@@bighands69 Nah. Don's willing to play some dirty pool to get what he wants, Ginsberg is smart but he's a good boy, not really a threat to him. Unlike Pete in earlier seasons.
Hate is not the opposite of love. That would be indifference. People want to matter, for better or for worse. Their ultimate fear however, is being irrelevant.
Rest of world: I feel bad for you
America: I don't think about you at all
Trump: trololololololol
except saudi arabia amirite
lol bullshit, yanks throw the biggest tantrum in response to criticism.
Aruxion Stay mad, yuropoor. You don't matter.
Aw, I upset you.
To quote Scruffy the Janitor - " I've never seen him so down. Or ever before."
Unpopular opinion: "I don't think about you at all."
I never bought that line as being sincere from Don.
To me Don was just knocking back Ginsberg's insult playground style.
The truth is , Ginsberg's words hurt , because he and Don both knew that Ginsberg's ideas were better and that Don had to cheat to win.
If you consider your boss using his idea over yours cheating then you’re a sad individual.
@@dominicblade6514 if you remember , the consensus amongst the sales team was that Ginsberg's idea was better than Don's and that Don should present them both. Don left Ginsberg's boards in the cab on purpose and only presented his own work to the client , so yeah cheating. And no need to get personal over a tv show.
Great line and response! However, not to be used in all situations. Used on my father, got cut out of any inheritance. Found out when he reused the line at his Will reading
Lol
I wonder if this is what finally broke Ginsberg
This is the relationship between Catholics and Baptists
What I don't understand is, how come in most of elevator scenes, the two characters enter and leave on different floors. Even if now, the office is two floors, they should either get on the elevator on different floor (office) and leave on the same (ground floor), or vice versa.
it could also be that one of them doesn't want to go off at the same place as the other.
IKB 79 Duh! but after work why would people who work in the same office get on the elevator at different floors? Even if we assume they get on the elevator at the same floor as their office, why wouldn't they get off on the same floor (ground), its not as if one of them had a car parked in the basement!
menduphysics i mean, they would rather go up one floor and then go back down or just take the stairs, because they really don't want to go out at the same place.
IKB 79 hmm.. could be. But doesn't work in every situation. Makes me think the directors didn't really think this through.
menduphysics a lot of film productions do that and similar things that wouldn't actually make sense when you think about it, but it's all part of the ~~movie magic~~ :p
This audio sounds like it was pumped through a 1980's Speak and Spell
Actually it was a casio calculator circa 1991. ha!
@@marinatinshred My man. Sorry I am a little late to respond.
Love this scene. Such a kick in the ass. Badass af.
Aggressive indifference is better than passive aggression
rekt
Media literacy nerds: "I feel bad for you."
People who just like the meme: "I don't think about you at all."
"you never really mattered all that much to me"
But no subtext this time😂
Even if Don thinks about Ginsberg's work, it's still a badass line.
Ginsberg's victory could have been achieved with his immediate utterance of, "And that's why."
"Did you hire me so you could ignore me?"
epic
It’s so easy to out someone down when you genuinely do not care about them
I just,,,the way that everyone idolizes Don and completely misses the point of this show is so funny like truly it’s hilarious
From Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead: Ellsworth Toohey - "Why don't you tell me what you think of me. In any words you wish. No one will hear us." Howard Roark - "But I don't think of you."
"You work for me"
There is Ginsbergs place, and Don putting him in it.
this would have been awkward if the elevator door didn't open at that moment.
but he's not the big cheese. his ideas aren't as good anymore, ginsberg is the one with the best ideas, and while don is still his boss, i still think this scene is more about don's insecurity. he was knocking ginsberg down to size because of his insecurity.
"Ah well a young man, ain't got nothin in this world these days"