When asked how many friends your kid has, to reply with how many followers he has on tiktok is honestly one of the most fucking depressing things I've ever heard in my life.
Except he only asked if he’s extrovert. Not how many friends. And having a large social media following definitely is a good answer to being ask if someone is an extrovert.
As a history nerd the first few minutes of this triggered me. The first public school in America was established in 1635. There have been schools in societies for thousands of years. I really wish she had been pushed on that.
It’s hard to believe that the first couple years of America didn’t have schools. But at the same time before child labor laws, and maybe farms, maybe kids worked early. That or spent tons of time in church. Idk I find it hard to believe that schools weren’t in America for so many years
Also I’m pretty sure that one of the first public education systems was established during the Han era of China (around 220 AD), the Sui era (~520 AD) revised the system and added one of the earliest forms of standardized examination for certain career positions, and the Song era (~960 AD) introduced one of the earliest forms of private schools. (As a history lover myself that first bit pissed me off a bit too.)
I’ve only just started this and the fact that she opened with “there were no schools in the 1700’s” when the school I went to was literally founded in 1563 is killing me
@@smallbonesrs It’s because everyone in that room is a pseudo intellectual, sorry but including destiny. He’s good at conversations but he has no expertise in any particular topic, when he doesn’t have a computer with research in front of him he’s not stupid but not particularly smart, at the very least he’s not this genius people make him out to be
The concept of school has existed since classical antiquity. Sure, it has evolved and changed a lot over history and across different cultures, but the general concept of pooling together young people ("students") under the tutelage of a skilled adult ("teacher") for intellectual learning belongs to a direct tradition going back well over 2000 years.
@@aaaa-xf3hx you made no point with this, so were you ironically calling people pseudointellectual? Yeah gee, MOST people don't know random factoids and would have to pull up encyclopedic sources when randomly challenged by a pretentious douchebag acting like they know something. They didn't have an actual topic going into the show, so it's kinda weird to say "hurr durr they're not experts".
I know a ton of kids that were homeschooled and were far more advanced with what they know. The good thing is they can move at their own pace and aren't held back. There are many homeschool clubs and they always had friends that went to school in the neighborhood. They play sports so that whole socializing isn't a good argument in my opinion. Look at the public schools and what goes on there. Look at most of the scores and also quick question for public schools compared to many other Western countries. Doesn't really give up lic school more weight. Again these are just my opinions. I really don't care what people without kids arguing about how you should raise your kids.
@jarudpope8518 eh I feel the same but one thing I didn't consider was that most of the home-schooled kids I knew had an upper middle-class to pretty well-off parents who were also educated or owned a business.
@@logoutofmyaccountweirdo yea one of the most annoying part of the pro-homeschool people is the fact that for the vast majority of parents in America homeschooling is not even close to a practical option, so they just come off as not advocates for homeschooling, but advocates against public schooling. Meaning their end goal is defunding the school system my children are in.
@@WapitalismandWreedom I'd even argue that it would require very rare and specific circumstances for homeschooling to be better than going to public schooling.
thats because shes a far right insane extermist they are all authoritarians and love dictatorships only when they are the ones with the power so it makes absolute sense how she even said "raising your hand to ask a question" she literally hates democracy.
Thats what its really all about to her: authoritarianism, she wants and needs total control over her children. She abhors any source of information or authoritary outside her own, she is a deeply selfish narcissist who wants little stepford children. But she can't own up to this so she projects her compulsion for control onto 'the other', mix that in with some buzzwords lilke freedom, family, patriot, founding fathers and you get this trash.
As I plumber there's nothing I hate more than when people use my profession to bash school. I make 100+ grand a year. But do you have any idea how fucking hard I have to work to make that money. While my friends who went to college make over 100 grand working at a desk 9-5 I was in a ditch at 615 am knee deep in raw sewage. I'll be in that ditch until about 4pm cutting cast iron pipe with a grinder and then pouring molten lead. After I climb out of the ditch I've got to go to a second job and carry toilets and tubs up 6 stories. When I get home at 7pm.ill be too tired to play with my kids and will probably fall asleep while trying to talk to my kids. My hands hurt, my back hurts, my knees hurt. God forbid if my knee gets any worse I won't be able to make a living. Go to school.
We recently had a really cool crew come over all the way from town and do our septic. They quite literally crawled INTO the tank and charged us for the privilege. I had no problem paying them whatever they asked. Thank you for what you guys do.
There are plenty of other ways for children to learn how to socialize besides spending time at public school. Here are just some examples: 1. Through extracurricular activities (think soccer practise) 2. Through community involvement (think church/neighborhood communities) 3. Through online friendships This idea that everyone was socially inept before public school was invented is dumb as hell.
@Elite Online friendships are not the same as schoolmate friends. You need to learn to make friends in a situation that you can't escape from (i.e., society). You're stuck in an area and you are forced to interact with other kids who you might not like, but still need to find a way to learn and challenge and get along with civilly. These things can't be learned in brief 1~2 hour stints like soccer practice where you can quit any time or go home afterwards.
The only reason you'd think public schools "indoctrinate" students into some liberal ideology is if you spent 100% of your time on Boomer Facebook. Schools are led by tired, underpaid teachers who are just trying to do their best. Every school has teachers who are conservative (usually the P.E. and history teachers), and teachers who are super liberal (language arts and music) and everyone in between. They bicker and debate all the time with each other, and students challenge their teachers all the time. It's not some 1984 Brave New World dystopian brainwashing factory.
I hate that every conservative is “indoctrinate this indoctrinate that” but never look at themselves. These guys talked extensively about putting them in schools that align with YOUR beliefs and teaching them to follow YOUR belief system. Not about letting them create their own understanding of the world.
When this lady said college is not school I knew that distiny was talking to a mentally disabled person. Imagine youre an adult over 20 years old and someone asks what school did you go to? “I went to Parker elementary”. Why bother talking to this disabled person
@@WapitalismandWreedom the point of the quote is not "schools look literally the same as a few hundred years ago" its more about how the act of teaching and even the setting look very similar if you look across time and cultures.
So upset that no one called her out on schools not existing. Fact checking should exist on these types of debates simply so less false misinformation gets spread. America has had schools longer than it has been a country.
i agree and it's one of the only consistently irritating things ive seen on destinys channel. like just google it real quick please. everyone is like asking each other "did school exist??"
@@lesley1346 The Boston Latin School. Benjamin Franklin attended but did not graduate. Bro literally became the face of the hundred dollar bill. What a G.
Perhaps they didn't call her out because they do not know. This is the only century in which school has not established purpose: 1700's read the Bible 1800's assimilation 1900's industrial age 2000's ?
Her unwillingness to call anything a con when she sees some greater good is maddening. No one is trying to trap you Sam, just be intellectually honest.
Tbf, I think I understand her point, she was saying that there IS a con to a sacrifice, as there is a pro, but a sacrifice isn't a con in itself, it just involves a con. See what I mean?
@jasonflake6364 ermm i dont know where u got that information from about strangling his wife and clearly he does work and is very successful. Regardless of all that i dont see what that has to do with her being extremely disrespectful and interepting everyone.
@@TR13400 Home-schooling sounds like a nice idea on paper, until you realize: 1. Not every parent cares that much about their children to teach them about anything. 2. Not every parent knows how to teach. If the dad works full time, and the mother is dog-shit at math, the kid is basically screwed. Basically, classrooms are the most effective/efficient environment to pass down knowledge on a large scale. There's a reason things are the way they are. There's a reason why you need to raise your hand in a classroom. I'm not gonna say it's a perfect system, but I WILL say that, IN GENERAL, it's better than being homeschooled. Obviously if a school deviates from the norm (extreme strict policies, authoritarian, overly biased curriculums, etc.), then obviously reasons for home-schooling begin to appear. But that's not how the vast majority of schools are. It's usually only private schools that are like that.
@@Calembunial those 2 issues you have are with bad parenting not with homeschooling. 1. Parents not caring about their children to teach is a problem with the parent. 2. Parents not knowing the things they were supposedly taught in public school. If you can't teach someone else something you never properly learned it. I agree classrooms/schools are the most efficient way of teaching on a wide scale, mainly because it's basically the only option besides homeschooling. What are the metrics you are going by that indicate to you that going to public/ private school is in general better than being homeschooling? Genuine question I don't know how effective homeschooling is. Basically every school is aithoritarian in terms of how the children are treated. Not being able to speak, restricting their movement and general freedoms. I think it should be a more open environment and instead of forcing ever child to learn we should try to encourage them to want to learn. It should be more voluntary than it is instead of some sort of education prison.
@@TR13400 1. Or that is just called being a normal parent, most parents can't be expected to know everything nor have the time to teach their child everything if they have a career that is needed to provide for their childs future. Thats why its probably better to hire outside help for homeschooling. 2. Yeah thats called being an adult who graduated highschool most adults dont remember all the things they were taught in highschool, simply because alot of it isn't relevant to their current state in life. The metric you use to decide this is how good the child performs at aptitude test, how well adjusted their social state of mind is at dealing at social situations. Schools need to be authoritarian because you are dealing with children who have no idea whats best for them. Most of the rules in place for decipline is there for a good reason, you shouldn't be allowed to talk freely when the class is in session, you also shouldn't be allowed to move around freely when class is in session. Two reasons its disrupts the teachers ability to teach and disrupts the rare students that are interested in the subject the ability to learn because of the other students selfishness. The notion students should be encouraged to learn instead of forced is ideal and if that were practical I would encourage but reality is that most kids aren't interested in learning most seek out what gives them to most dopamine hits which isn't education. And allowing the child to engage in that in the short term might make the child happy but in the long term is harmful especially in the work place cause the reality is that most work places for the majority of people are authoritarian in some way and if a child doesn't have that experience growing up where they have to complete certain tasks that they dont want to otherwise face negative repercussions. And this is something wont be absent in homeschooling, the main difference is the attention the child is given which will be better in homeschooling.
Watching what national literacy rates were before the introduction of public education/Compulsory education should be enough to demonstrate that things such as education should come with a guarantee for all of our sake.
I actually think she's an excellent example of how homeschooling can be used intentionally by a controlling parent. She says she keeps pretty tight control on how they behave, she controls all the stuff they learn about (avoids anything that conflicts with her beliefs and worldview) and "socialization" involves likely tightly controlled internet access and shopping with mom.
@@snowrubu I think you can become ur own person even if you didn't have a rebellious phase, however acting like that is something special or taking credit for ur kid not being rebellious is fucking hilarious.
Not to mention, if homeschooling somehow replaces public schooling, how we avoid this? because these kind of people don't seem to be in favour of punishing parents? how do we fire a parent?
Ironically, your description of her homeschooling also described the contemporary public education system: lots of extremely polarizing political topics are taught as "moral truths" and challenging those views, especially if the school itself takes a hard stance on these views, risks your grades, sometimes your school record, and even your social circle [because to them, you're considered the "devil" (another irony)]. So, you end up either peer pressured to conform to the status quo or you go about unable to question things... in an academic setting... of all places...This disease is trickling over to our higher education; what was once considered to be the beacon of intellectual exchange. I do think the lady lacked a lot of nuances in many of her takes [and most probably, higher education would have helped her with that lol], but she's not wrong about the issues in our education system.
I was a private tutor for a little while and I assure you that whilst all very sweet and well meaning, the homeschooled kids who came to me for extra support were some of the dumbest social misfits I've ever encountered on this Earth.
you see these people all the time on reddit. homeschooled all their life and feel like theyre missing out on social life. its pretty sad how its literally just cause the parents live throuhg these kids
She’s like a wealthy actress. My guess is there upper 5% or more. It’s possible they got a halfway decent education. The fact her younger son thinks he’s gonna be on the cutting edge of an engineering field without a degree isn’t exactly a good sign. Engineers are typically licensed. The cutting-edge of the field is probably done at or fed from elite universities. Like the electrical engineers designing new graphics cards are all phds from solid universities. He’s not likely gonna do shit without degree unless he had serious connections and is a fucking savant. Even then he’d be better served with a degree.
@@OpiatesAndTits I did a calculus elective aimed at first year engineering students at university and got my ass beat so hard despite putting all of my effort into it, just because I didn't really opt for the specialised math subjects in high school. I feel like it'd be so stacked against this guys favour if he went for a high grade engineering degree
I was homeschooled as a child for around two years, and I was miserable because it was so hard to meet other kids my own age. I seriously believe it set my social skills back - I was incredibly awkward in high school because I had 100% missed out on those formative years when other kids were learning to socialize with each another. I eventually (with effort) developed that skill set & found my niche later in life, but it was so painful to feel like I had to 'catch up' on something that came naturally to everyone else around me, and it really damaged my self-esteem at the time. This mother is not doing her child a favor.
I thought it was a good point why can't your child's happiness be a priority in homeschooling your bulls shitting if you've never met a kid that has trouble in school and never talks to anyone
In a way we all live through our children. They are us in a way. Just a neuralnetwork that gets taught lessons the easier and progressively easier way.
"My kids get social interaction. I take them to stores with me." And you know she sits there and watches every single sport practice her kids have. She's that parent for sure.
@Jason Flake oh my god. that makes me want to put my own head in a drill press. how tf is shopping with your mom 'socializing', lady?? I'm not having conversations with some random kid in the mall, I just want to buy shit and go home.
and the kdis dont even talk to other kids "they speak to other adults", like this ladys taking them to designer brand stores to watch her shop not kid friendly places lol
As someone who teaches youth martial arts: cool. I’d rather my students have parents that are interested in their sports rather than parents that treat practice times like they’re more babysitting hours. What’s with this weird hatred of parents watching sports practice?
I was homeschooled because my parents had these views. I was alienated from my peers, became socially awkward. Didn’t learn science, I got Bible studies. Was stuck at home around my parents all day, and grew to resent them. Over time I shed my social awkwardness by joining the military. I left theism, because it was only a hindrance to me. My parents and I don’t talk at all, because I resented them for the level of control they held over my life and used it to fill my head with their stupid ideas. This lady is delusional, I’ve stopped many people who asked me if homeschooling was a good idea. I’m successful, but all my siblings aren’t. Don’t homeschool.
Parents often have misguided views whether they home school or not, they only did what they thought was best, yes they were wrong but im sure they didnt do it because they thought it would cause problems, speak to your parents man, im sure they really want to hear from you.
They should interview her kids when they’re 18, she’s adamant she has a great relationship with them but I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re in the same scenario as you were.
Bruh, her kids are 21, 19 and 17. She says this twice. Watch the entire video before you comment. I ain't saying you're wrong. I ain't saying that you don't have a point. I'm just saying.
@@dickiemcgeezacks9458haha when she said he had followers on tik tok she made it seem like they were younger. But yeah I want to see what her kids all say and feel about their home school experience.
@David Jones I agree control has something to do with it but i think its really done out of fear, which i completely understand but you cant live in fear of what might happen. There are bad influences in all warps of life, be it in the church group or on the other side of the train tracks, its better not to shelter your child because they are more capable of spotting bad actors, especially if they played hercules :) just kidding i actually liked that show :) his wife is a very fearful woman who lets her child on tik tok lol.
The first American schools opened in the 17th century in the Thirteen Colonies, and the first public school was established in Boston, Massachusetts on April 23, 1635. The school, called Boston Latin School, was not funded by taxes at first and served boys. In 1644, Dedham, Massachusetts became the first US community to fund a public school through taxes
Then you’re doing the opposite of the overall morals of this video. You’re too invested in just accepting Destiny telling you what is wrong or right, that you cannot hear others opinions and pull some beneficial qualities that exist with homeschooling. The current education system is terrible, and if data tells you that a tremendous amount of highly intelligent people happen to be homeschooled, or very recognizable universities are largely looking for homeschooled children, then there’s a problem.
Every homeschool kid I’ve met in high school was weird asf. Not like “oh they’re super mature and don’t know how to have fun” but more like “they smell like milk and never talk to anyone”
Home school kids don’t know how to interact with other people that well. Kids need to be around other kids to learn what socially acceptable and what’s not.
My fiancee was homeschooled and she's more social than myself and I went to public school. There's a lot homeschool groups can do to socialize kids. Granted it's not on maybe the same scale as going to a class for 500+ like I did
@@ni9274 I feel like there's a fundamental misunderstanding of what homeschooling is. There's a lot of different ways kids can get socialization depending on what state you live in. Homeschooler's can join school sports, clubs, there's whole groups that meet at church's/specific places that is basically the same format as school but with the parents being involved in their kids education. People hear "homeschool" and think these kids just sit in the house all day, which isn't true
She interrupts him in the first sentence and i already dislike her massively. How can you be this condescending whilst also nitpicking a completely meaningless point.
@@BamaBoyJosh in some extremely pedantic and stupid sense she's _sort of_ right but centrally-organized, formal education has existed in the west since (iirc, drawing on things i haven't read in a very long time) fuckin Augustine of Canterbury set up Latin grammar schools in the 6th century. Roman-style oral education existed long before that, too
I honestly think having kids gives some women an absolutly unwarranted level of confidence. Like being a mother is some kind of credential. Lots of them are simply stupid and no amount of kids will increase iq
When she complained about kids needing to raise their hands to ask or answer questions at school, I thought "she's never been inside a classroom in her life if she thinks that's a bad idea".
You know she hasn’t been in school for over three decades when the first thing she thinks of as a problem with the public schooling system is the fact you have to raise your hand to ask a question. What dimension is she calling from?
Yeah, it was ridiculous. She's acting like raising your hand is such a challenge. If you don't want to ask in front of the class in the middle of the lecture then you can wait until there is table work and go ask then. Tbh her point on asking questions wasn't totally coherent, so I'm not even sure what the issue was
@@sarahmchugh4169 can you imagine if you are in a marketing meeting at 26 years old- do you shout out and just scream it out? raising hands works as adults
@@jakegoldblum You know what's funny, I will still raise my hand at times if it seems chaotic in an environment, and many times, it got quieter, I[m guessing partly because people are seeing an adult raising their hand, but also, they knew I had a question and directed attention towards me. I understand that you are in a way "asking permission" when raising your hand, but I never felt I couldn't speak unless granted permission- it was always more of a way to not interrupt someone else and to heard when speaking. Ultimately, I'm not against the practice, and I still do it from time to time in group settings, even at 29.
well considering she's an ultimate giga narcissist I'm sure the idea of not being able to lightly clap her hands and speak over everyone in the room with their full attention seems like a personal insult
Literally every founding father was educated in one way or another. Many of them went to a grammar school from a very young age. Others had tutors. Almost all of these would be equivalent to modern day schooling.
@@breadlookinboi8856 how is a tutor the same as getting on a bus and going to a building for 12 years to learn from multiple teachers on multiple subjects then genius since I'm so stupid
@@tyruswillier7358 The information transfer was the same. They learned the days mathematics and studied English the same as kids do now. Just because you didn’t get on a bus and go to school doesn’t mean that the instruction, and more importantly, the GOAL OF the instruction, is the same.
@@tyruswillier7358 Thomas Jefferson went to an English school starting at age 5 and was a vocal proponent for free public education at an elementary level.
Imagine saying with a straight face that home schooling was good for your children and at the same time admitting that your child is a tiktok star . He sure is doing great things with his life
@@darkking8729 No, the purpose of all school is to be able to provide for yourself in adulthood. You can spout all the feel good nonsense about changing the world that you want but at their core, even professions dedicated to helping the world DO have a primary goal of making money. Changing the world happens in the form of political activism which happens as an ASIDE to your career. Anyway, the thing you SHOULD be focusing on, that you ALL missed for absolutely no fucking reason is that her kid got LUCKY as FUCK. 99.99% of homeschooled kids are NEVER going to be fucking clouted up on the internet enough to make a livable earning for themselves. She may as well have replied "Well homeschooled kids are fine because my kid won the lottery, why don't the other homeschooled kids just do that???" Yes indeed Sam, why don't they.
It's a free world, everyone is free to put their kids in any system they want. I know many of you loved school and enjoyed the whole thing so I expect you to send your kids there
Yeah, if they can just get over their complete selfishness and the "me me me", they'd maybe think about helping others... Then of course they'd get called "the left"
Yeah, it is a really crap arguement because it treats it black and white when it is really shades of grey. Some of the degrees that don't have a solid industry waiting for them is a scam. You pay the same price for a STEM degree as a social science degree and yet if you end up being an HR rep, you make less than half if now more than your STEM counterparts. Some people are just not good at STEM, and social sciences is not the answer for most. The answer for most is a trade skill and that has been ruined by social media and our parents thinking that there is something wrong with working with your hands over working in a suit. Social media makes it worse because women are leaning more into clout than wealth at this day. Most women would want a 60k a year office worker over a 100k a year plumber/trucker because it doesn't sell well on social media to be dating or the wife a trade worker vs a white collar job.
18:48 & 19:09 Ben Franklin's attended Boston Latin School for two years ('cause his parents didn't have enough money) but did not graduate. He continued his education through a lot of reading, his schooling ended when he was ten. By the way, the school he attended was established in 1635, making it both the oldest public school in British America and the oldest existing school in the United States So yeah, they did have _some_ kind of schools (or what they were called, Magnet Schools, with _specialized_ courses or curricula.) *Like charter schools today.*
She acted like she was ready for the socialization argument against homeschooling, and then relies on 1) TikTok followers, 2) mooching off of sports programs provided by the public schools, 3) shopping with mom, and 4) hanging out on film sets?
Holy hell the ignorance here. Now I'll agree about social media it's pretty much a cancer everything else you said is just a bunch of garbage. Public schools are tax payer funded so there's no mooching unless you really want to get into net positive tax payers and I don't really think you want to do that. Have you interacted with a public school child recently? If you have then I don't believe for one second you would call modern socialization good. Personally I would have enjoyed the movie sets 1000 times more than having to endure school socialization.
@@ashenlion805 It's kind of rich to suggest "schools" are abuse...oh except when I want my kid to play on their sports teams. I'll admit I don't have much experience hanging around film sets, so I can't speak to how well that kind of adult professional environment affects a child's socialization skills and ability to interact with their peers.
I’m in shock by the huge distrust in public schools here, but she has no awareness of how massively under qualified most parents are to actually teach kids.
Look up at how bad "No Child Left Behind" did people in public school system. Or how people ended up stuck in shitty schools due to how the funding works. That's not even applying the social shit kids gotta avoid or deal with like the constant fights and or gang activity.
@@ExeErdna Yes, because the system is the problem, NOT schooling. We need to make school more humane, not take out the kids and have them home schooled. No idea if this is true or not, but from my personal experience problems like constant fights or gang activity stems from inhumane schooling conditions (wich makes some kids go apeshit).
This woman is crazy if she thinks "going to the store" and "piano class" is enough to teach her kids one of the most important rules in life: how to maneuver society
Public Schools were invented in modernity, do you really think that before of this childrens didn't socially communicated? I'll say more. Children communicate with each other despite the school, since the school, like any hierarchical, bureaucratic and caste structure, requires formalized subordination and standardization, which is opposite to natural social relations.
@@SosKok Silence anime pfp, you're clearly a child that doesn't have enough perspective to talk on the issue if that's what you're saying. Please, say less.
Finding what a child is gifted at is much harder than one would think. A majority of children don’t know their skill set until at least early tweens, the parents simply ascribe them tasks and learning objectives for them to persue in the mean time. This is not to say that children can’t be gifted, there are plenty of examples of prodigies, but they most likely aren’t any better than the average in all but one or two areas of life. You projecting your personal desires as a parent onto your child will stifle their growth, since you only have one perspective you can put into them over 18 years, whereas a student will experience thousands of individual perspectives and be taught by almost a hundred teachers during their schooling tenure. Even if ten of them are bad, the other ninety will result in a well-adjusted and MORE INTELLIGENT child than if the parent restricted them to their house.
@@CaptinWong I got you brotha. Off the top of my head he was on Lex Friedman, Fresh and Fit (for the second time), Chris Williamson, No Jumper, The Emily and Todd Podcast, and now this. Great debates and convos in all of them.
@@johnlonne7062 Do you really think that’s all he does? He doesn’t shit on men, he shits on red pillers that spew dogshit, it’s not just men in general. I hope you don’t think Destiny is someone that goes easy on women lmao, he’s nearly gotten cancelled many times.
She makes some good points, she makes some bad points. This women is far from the level of crazy than what I've seen online. This video was overall educating, because it made me think a lot more about both sides. It depends on the child what version of education they need, and you really can't know until they are in their adulthood. Both sides are trying their best to do great, but sometimes there are kids that fall behind, with both methods. Public education failed me, and I had to educate myself through UA-cam, Udemy, Lydia, Skillshare, and Brillant for 4 years after I graduated to become self sufficient. I was so unequipped to deal with life, partially the fault of my parents as well. They were always at work, so it's not entirely their fault. Most importantly, I had to learn 'how to learn'. Which is a great point against public education, at least with my school. I was always spoon-fed information. Never allowing to argue, just accept and be quiet. If I was given the opportunity to learn on my own. I know I would have persevered before I ever turned 18. Being in school, the only positive thing I would say, is I got to have access to expensive CAD software, a woodshop full of expensive equipment, and a metal shop full of equipment. That's it. Not that the teacher was great with those areas, but that I simply had that option. The down side of school, is I that only had access to that stuff for 45 minutes out of the day. And school forced me to participate in things that I didn't like, or was helpful to me. Being exposed to only 1 topic for 45 minutes. Really changes the mind. My attention was only on one thing for only a short period of time. It took a while to get over that. If the money that went to taxes for public education, went to me to pursue my own knowledge. I would have done way more, way faster than what a school could do.
@@HaloWolf102 Nah this women is fucking crazy & the fact people like you & her exist who don't think this sorta shit is literal child abuse scare the fuck out of me
@@HaloWolf102 She had some points that were good or at least could be further explored or worked on, but her overall position and approchement to education and her display of knowledge (the lack of it) already demonstrated her personal bias and why she would fail or be horrible as a teacher. Her approach was on the level of conspiracy theory, I half expected her to start talking about the Jews. I am willing to bet money that she would fail multiple times if she tried to get a teacher's license in my country. Also, something that wasn't brought up enough. Nothing prevents you from (homeschooling) teaching your child when you come home from work and the child from school. The best time to do it is to assist and partake during their homework.
@@D.S.handle Only for brain dead morons who can't look past someone's hair color. Those kind of people aren't open to any kind of rational thought anyway so its a decent filter. Plus I think it looks quite good on him.
@@D.S.handle I think it is a perfect litmus test. If a person can not take you seriously because of superficial shit like blue hair, you probably are wasting your time talking to them. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
As someone who was homeschooled from 3-7th grade, it absolutely destroys your social development, and also doesn't prepare you for adulthood like regular school does. And that's assuming the parent is even a competent teacher, which is almost never the case.
You raise your hand in class so everyone isn't shouting over each other and the teacher doesn't lose control of the lesson plan.. it's basic common courtesy like not cutting in line just because you're in a hurry.
Actually this point of hers makes sense. 1: in the real world at a job in a meeting no one is raising hands you just talk to add something or ask a question 2: it’s a cultural American thing, schools in other countries have students who ask questions and everyone engages with the Professor/teacher and the classroom is less formal but more of a conversation or living breathing experience 3: you’re describing a situation where people are talking over one another and aren’t waiting to ask their question..that only applies for 1st graders not high or middle schoolers treat them like their autonomous beings! They shouldn’t have to raise their hands they’re almost adults, that’s wild they have to raise their hands to even go to the bathroom like come on?? 4:when I was in high school a teacher asked us a question. No one answered..he said if I was your manager and I asked for your opinion, you all would be fired right now. This raising of hands none sense has created a sense of complacency in the classroom and lack of engagement where students couldn’t be bothered to engage or feel anxiety to ask questions and boring routine lesson plans without room for learning which is a living breathing experience..not just delegating info to students and expecting memorization. You are a teacher not an audiobook or khan academy. I hate the public k-12 system..this lady is right they just train you to be worker bees and send u to college without a plan! Source: my life experience
@boopboop9356 except it kind of doesn't as they were discussing college and she pivoted to a K-12 practice that is less used in higher grades. It's almost like they learned it's rude to interrupt and talk over others somehow... wonder what physical practice could have helped them learn that when younger. Not to mention, it contradicts something else she said. Schools are somehow teaching kids to be complacent, docile and fall in line but also somehow teaching them to challenge authority at home and those spaces? Which is it? And I've been in enough work environments to know your teachers assertion was bs. No one is getting fired just because they don't have an idea if their boss asks for input. I've seen this plenty of times in work meetings. What manager would be stupid enough to fire his entire team because no one had an immediate response to a question. Hand raising is a problem now... and these are the people incensed that "the left is too sensitive".
It is interesting because PBD podcast usually avoids conflict that Destiny is very comfortable delving into. The woman probably required a lot of soothing or reconciliation from the PBD podcast because of how idiotic SHE made herself look. I wish Patrick Bet David actually had a one on one with Destiny to flesh out other topics that Destiny rarely talks about.
@@kepagu Literally the entire last section of the video, starting at 43:00 Do people go through the comments section without watching (or even planning to) watch the video?
@@LoudWaffle I am literally reading comments right now without having watched the video. I didnt click on this video because I wanted to watch it, I actually just wanted to see how ridiculus the defenses for home schooling are gonna get in the comment section. Can't say I am dissapointed tho.
That woman is going to have a hell of a shock when her kids can't find a job which requires an actual established credential that her home schooling wasn't sufficient for
Or they can go into highly lucrative apprenticeship programs like cyber and IT or another trade that will pay for your training and education since there’s a crazy shortage 🤷♀️
you can sit any important exam from elementary to high school whilst being homeschooled and they actually do far better on average than regularly schooled people, that being said the woman in the video is insane if she thinks going to the store and piano lessons are going to properly acclimate your child
Lol. You clearly aren’t informed on the statistics. Homeschooled kids are not only much more likely to do better academically and get into college, but are also more likely to end up in good paying jobs.
@@BillyBob-ec5ox Even if your statistics were true, correlation is not causation. A family that can afford to homeschool their children is likely to have a larger median income than one that can't, which means they can also afford to send their kids to college
@@aaronmontgomery2055 Eh, it's not exclusively self-serving. It can be exploitative to workers, but for a business to be successful (in a capitalist system), it has to be empathetic to consumer demand. If not, they don't succeed long term. Employees are marginalized the most, though.
@@100AcreWoodz1 I'm a star? Wow thanks dude I've never got that one before. She speaks 5 languages, and hosted a radio show. Just by what we know of her on this video we know your a bullshit artist.
“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’ “I believe that every human being with a physically normal brain can learn a great deal and be surprisingly intellectual. I believe that what we badly need is social approval of learning and social rewards for learning. “We can all be members of the intellectual elite and then, and only then, will a phrase like ‘America’s right to know’ and, indeed, any true concept of democracy, have any meaning.” Isaac Asimov, 1980
Why is everything so grounded in politics for conservatives? According to them, every single thing in society is all: we're marginalized in this and we have to get a majority and control, control, control. So insane.
Because there are no actual principled positions behind the beliefs, only feelings of “this is weird, I don’t understand it, I don’t like it” or religious bullshit.
It's hilarious. they wonder why education leads to liberalization. They falsely attribute liberalization to a lack of conservatism in schools but the lack of conservatism is literally a consequence of people becoming smarter, more educated and less afraid of differences. It's just the flow of society. They're being left behind and desperately want to claw back some power. It's kinda funny and sas
and they didn't even drop out and then get going, they dropped out because their businesses where jetting off and didn't have time for work and school.
“There were no schools in the 1700s.” This singular comment should disqualify anybody from listening to a word she says on education. If she is responsible for educating her children, they might be in a world of hurt.
I liked the part where she said home schooled kids are more adult and that kids who go to public school get infantilized. Like wtf she's their mother and she's their only teacher, how is that not inherently more infantilizing lol
I was homeschooled K-12, all my siblings were homeschooled (except my oldest sister), and my mother was the administrator of a homeschool co-op. I could list outs the pros and cons of homeschooling without even thinking about it. She was obviously dodging the question. It's frustrating listening to this, because there are a lot of people who would greatly benefit by homeschooling their kids, and there are a lot that should stay the hell away from homeschooling. Just be honest so people can do what's right for their kids.
@@Sefetriex You're able to learn at a better pace and able to really focus on your personal interests like if a child is into tech, arts, music. They can do all that while learning the basic 4. The only REAL problem is the parent's limits and maybe some social issues that is also on the parents. I was homeschooled for a bit because of seriously sickly for a few years because of my asthma. I had my homies that basically lived next door and we always played together. When I moved out of the city and down south I went back to school as my health improved.
@@ExeErdna The problem is most parents cannot continue at that pace at all for the whole curriculum. All of the curriculum has to be mastered and practiced in advance so that you are ready to teach it properly. That is a monumental ask from a parent. Not to mention pedagogical skills.
@@RanEncounter I wouldn't say everyone could do it, but it isn't as difficult as you would think for the parents. Homeschooled children learn from books for the most part (obviously not all kids can do this). My parents rarely taught me anything directly. I just read and did my work. My mom checked my work when I was done (she had an answer key) and made sure I wasn't goofing off when I was supposed to be working. For high school a lot of homeschoolers will join co-ops and take classes a few time a week like Chemistry, Algebra, etc. if the student or their parents aren't confident about doing it on their own (of course some kids are very intelligent and do just fine on their own). Also a lot of us would start community college early (I started at 16) and take classes there for dual high school/college credit. My mom didn't master or practice anything before I learned it. I just got really good at learning from books.
She clearly understands what the word means, when pressed to explain how college is a ponzi scheme she perfectly describes how ponzi schemes work, without elaborating at all on how it applies to colleges. It seems like she has a better understanding of ponzi schemes than she does of colleges.
@@Shannon_Lynch correct, what a lot of people are not understanding correctly is that this lady is not dumb. She is purposely bad faith to everything that goes against her world view that I bet she makes money of it. She is grifting like crazy. This whole video was 100% grifting talking points.
I came from an abusive home growing up Almost anyone I talked to who was Loved school Its was a saving grace I remember asking my 4th grade teacher if I could call him dad He said no 😂
A basic psychology class and a basic philosophy class would drastically help our K-12 education system. I was salutatorian of my high school, 4.13 GPA (5.0 advanced classes brought me above a 4.0), full ride to college, and you wouldn’t believe how small I felt in my first year at college meeting some guys in my dorm / classes who had worse GPAs than me but had psychology/intro to logic electives in high school that I didn’t have access to in Mississippi. It pushed me to change up my planned 2nd semester electives to “even the playing field”, and those electives drastically changed how I think about the world. Give those tools to a 14-15 year old… and you’re going to see a big improvement in testing & general well-roundedness of students and just young people in general.
@joker I don't mean to assume that just changing curriculum will make a difference, just that it would if students were in a place where they could effectively learn. Coming from the deep south where every nickel and dime of school / university money that can be scraped from fundraising is funneled into yet another football stadium upgrade, I know just how badly school funding can affect metrics of performance. It would definitely take a multi-pronged approach to get the US education system back on its feet overall.
It seems insane to me how no one argued 1) that parents on the whole are likely completely inept at fulfilling the teacher role at home and 2) that homeschooling doesn’t open up a child’s eyes to the world but rather indoctrinates them into their parents’ belief system.
as a University student studying education, she makes me so angry i cannot believe it holy shit. One of the big things you learn in the first semester is, that school is a way not only to teach, but also educate (in the sense of "raise") and socialize your child holy fuck. Its meant to actively bring you away form the environment of your family to teach you what rules there are in (AKTUAL) society, how to confront different world views and how to deal with social problems, something her children are missing out of (not completely i guess but) a great amount.
@Jason Flake no, not at all, that is an oversimplification of trans people and when people say “trans woman” they are not suggesting that trans women are female(vagina, ovaries, XX chromosomes, etc). Gender dysphoria is a real phenomenon and conversation therapy only harms trans people. But, when accepted and integrated into society, suicide rates(which are really high)go down
Except her points can make sense if one believes schools are over-socializing the students to the point students are unable to even confront different worldviews and are denunciated in the spirit of "acceptance." As a parent, I would remove my children from that environment, even if that entails the children losing their ability to "socialize" in school, if doing so also retains their ability to think critically. I do hope, as a future teacher, you will swim against the tides of the current sociopolitical climate and truly allow your students to have open dialogues and engage and confront each other rationally, honestly, and respectfully (and not in terms of "respecting" feelings or "respecting" people's beliefs/decisions/behaviors/etc because, at that point, the word, "respect" has lost its meaning and is redundant to meaning of "acceptance"; "respect" will simply be weaponized to erase all criticisms, as we see today. Rather, respect in terms as a deterrence of harm on the individual person).
This woman's entire argument hinges on coming from wealth. What poor family can afford to cut out 1 adults salary to homeschooling? Literally no single parent can homeschool. What does she propose the average poor family do?
I was homeschooled my whole life. Honestly, for the most part it was great. I usually only spent about 3-4 hours max doing school every day which left me time to work some so I had some spending cash in my mid teens, which was great once I started playing guitar because I was able to save for new gear that I wanted. I played sports for a while, then transitioned to just music and going to local metal and hardcore shows, sometimes by myself, sometimes with friends and family, so I had plenty of social outlets. I was allowed some choice in my schooling direction, like the option to choose marine biology over learning physics, and advanced consumers mathematics over calculus, so it was better for me because I was able to learn things I enjoyed rather than things that have little to no use for me All that said, there are definitely cons to it. The social aspect wasn't an issue in my case, but it definitely can be. I was lucky enough to be plugged into my church youth band from 8th grade until graduation, so I was able to be around my peers doing something I loved. Non-religious people usually seem to have a much harder time finding extracurricular activities for their kids outside of sports, which is not something every kid wants to do. We were also part of a group of homeschoolers (which is who put together the sports league; we played other schools, mostly private, but there were some public schools as well), but growing up in the heavy music scene, I didn't really fit in with the other kids in the program as they were all much more sheltered and "normal" than I was Another important one is kind of ridiculous, but unfortunately true. People tend to not take you seriously, whether academically, socially, or otherwise. In fact, I had to get a lawyer from the HSLDA (Homeschool Legal Defense Attorneys) to send an email to the HR of a WAREHOUSE job years ago just so that they'd confirm that I actually graduated high school, because my diploma wasn't from an "accredited institution" (not all state schools are fully "accredited," btw). And even just normal, everyday people have this stereotype of what homeschoolers should be like because they don't know anything about it. You wouldn't believe the amount of people that couldn't believe I was homeschooled just because I was smart, well-spoken, not a complete social recluse (I'm introverted, but not THAT bad), etc. It really isn't for everyone, but I think that it should be taken more seriously. We're not all a bunch of backwoods rednecks that can't tie our shoes like some people seen to think. It's a viable option that can give your child a more flexible and personalized education towards THEIR goals if you do it right. Currently my daughter is in public school because my wife and I both need to work, but if the opportunity presented itself, I would definitely heavily consider it
As a high school teacher I have always been of the opinion that most parents should be capable of homeschooling if they graduated college and spend a year or two reading pedagogic theory to prepare before homeschooling. I might do it with my kids, though I’d associate with a "church homeschool group" over my dead body, that sounds like the absolute worst people to associate my children with if I want them to have the most benefits out of home school.
Just so you know you can go to public school and do many of the exact things. If you got family and they have the time home school can be great. You do lose out of some of the social aspect and teacher interaction and such. Either way it’s not the end of the world. It isn’t necessarily wrong to home school. People worried about public schools destroying kids is a joke though. Way more likely to be abused in home school.
Why are there so many people who homeschool their kids like this? My best friend in high school was homeschooled in the elementary years, when I met his mother she was exactly like this. Confrontational, overly assertive, domineering with an unearned confidence. I don't know, I'm sure there are people who homeschool their kids who are perfectly decent and well adjusted, but to a large degree it feels like an authoritarian thing. Must be in charge!
Where are all these people? I've homeschooled for years and in that time I've met just a few like her. Its worth noting that homeschooling looks a lot different than it did when you were a kid. A lot of us took to heart the criticisms and made positive changes. There's still a handful of wackos like this, but most of us a level headed and have high academic expectations of our children.
That's just moms be my dude some moms are like this for public or private school. I knew one she kept her inside all the time and they were kinda hated by the neighborhood kids because of how their mom acted. Tiger Mom is the thing for a reason
Since the first minutes of this video I was astounded how confidently wrong she was, schools as we now them today were in place since the fcking middle-ages or even before that (Ancient Greece and Rome), not everywhere and the priests/philosophers would be the teachers but still
So she's a radio host and her husband is an actor/model. Destiny hit the the nail on the head when he said he cant measure schooling success by just teaching his son to run a UA-cam channel because that's what he does and it would it just be piggybacking off of his career. This was an amazing call out that this woman was sooo insecure about, because her oldest son hosts a tik tok podcast (her career) and is an actor (her husband's career). She knew right away how obvious this pitfall of her own situation was when she started answering very basic questions about her kids. She half heartedly mentioned that her next son was interested in engineering. Well it turns out you can google these people (because their parents pay for their promotion through social media) and his instagram says he is a model - i wonder where he got that idea?! I'll bet my life the other son doesnt even sniff a profession in engineering and it won't be because he isn't sure how to access the "cutting edge". According to her, what does MIT know about the cutting edge of engineering anyway? The next best way to find the cutting edge of engineering is to post headshots on instagram.
I was homeschooled for a majority of my school years and it was not the best option for me as a student. My mother was a SAHM with three other young children to care for and educate, and managed bookkeeping for my father’s business. She has ADHD which comes with a lot of functional obstacles like executive dysfunction, time blindness/poor time management, and general mental disorganization. Having her be in charge of my education was a nightmare and she will admit today that she was not equipped with the skills necessary to help me succeed as a student. I went to a once a week co-op which is basically school with other homeschooled kids where I had regular classes, I played sports, and I socialized other ways, but ultimately I dropped out in 10th grade because my mom didn’t have the ability to maintain my education, and also having similar ADHD issues myself, I was unable to push myself through school without guidance and structure. I’m a licensed professional and making decent money now in my dream field, so I don’t think I was *insanely* handicapped in life by not going to school in that regard, but I was miserable not going to traditional school and missed out on a lot of education I wish I had today. I recognize homeschooling *can* be better than traditional school, but the structure has to be in place from the parents for the child to succeed, and not everyone can do that.
Ok, so even though it wasn't easy you ended up very well in "your dream field". You're an exact product of your upbringing, education therefore you did exceptionally well. I dk how you can end up in your dream job and doing well but bitch about how you got there. Its like a car trip, the trip should be 5 hours, and cost 500 in gas, it took 4.5 hours and cost 550 in gas. No matter how much it cost or how long it took if you ended up at your dream who the fuck cares. Stop bitching... you worked hard and went against the grain through very challenging obstacles but made it to your destination. Quit bitching, and enjoy your success.
So if she did have the time and the structure in place you think it would have been a better over all educational experience than traditional schooling?
My homeschooling was from 10th-12th grade due to illness and it totally sucked. Both my parents worked and couldn't spend much time to educate me, so I was home alone all the time, and I didn't socialize. Basically, over three years, I did one online writing course and some chapters from a math textbook, faked the records for the rest, and passed the standardized test the school district required for passing high school. Lemme tell you, the bar is LOW on that test, like I could've passed it in 8th grade. I wish I could have finished public high school. My memories of high school are watching netfilx and being depressed. I don't necessarily blame my parents because they were just doing the best they could, but I do wish they encouraged going to college and doing college prep. I would be in a much better place if they had.
I was homeschooled, turned out fine, but socializing is ABSOLUTELY a concern for a reason. The homeschooled moms that handwave the worry away or get offended are clueless
I was homeschooled and the socialization concerns are garbage. It's only an issue if the parent decides not to socialize their children. Those kids would have been weird anyway
I have no words. This has got to be the most toxic parent I've ever seen. How can you be so damn co trolling to not allow your children to even conceptualize, no even grasp, disagreeing or combating your ideas? I can't imagine your kid growing up healthy if they are so isolated from others that they can't even get the idea to question "mom I wanna go to college" or "I don't agree with you it's not a ponzi scheme."
I was homeschooled, and was part of a TON of "coops", extracurricular activities and clubs. So you might assume I was well socialized, right? Wrong. I never saw the same kids consistently, people came and went, and I was constantly in a state of floating between groups of friends. Oh, I definitely got to know the parents really well though! They were always around, especially my mom... The only year I had any solid social life was my senior year when I went PART TIME to a private school. Just one period of study hall and a couple classes with the same kids every day made my social life so much better because we had a level of consistent interaction. I made fast friends in just a few months and stayed friends with many of them years after graduating. Meanwhile, I immediately forgot about all of my homeschool friends after I graduated because I barely knew them. This is homeschooling, and none of the people on this panel have even been fucking homeschooled so maybe have someone on who actually has been.
I love that I grew up in public school, it makes you aware of others and welcoming of others, more open minded. And I’m super close to my mother and father
My biggest complaint is her saying how much interactions her kids have when she brings them on MOVIE SETS, some of us didint grow up with wealthy parents who could afford to bring their kids with them to a viable working area. Growing up with parents who worked labor intensive jobs, only interactions I could have outside of family was school.
CPS needs to investigate this woman and how she raises her kids, and this is not a joke because there are so many terrifying red flags here. She seems like an insane control freak that wants to dictate every breath her kids take.
I was homeschooled 3rd grade to the end of high school. It was a pretty isolating experience for me, and my mom wasn’t a qualified teacher. Ended up having to take a bunch of remedial courses once I got to college.
I graduated from faculty of education from my university and am a teacher, being qualified is something very important. There are 100s of methods (active and passive) that you should use depending on the circumstances to make the learning process more efficient and permament for the student. I would home school my kids because my child/ren would learn and i can teach better 1 on 2 or 1 on 1 then they would in school 1 on 30-40 not because "the water is tainted" bullshit.
@Elite My siblings and I were homeschooled. I'm in a PhD program, 2 sisters are doctors, and brother is a PA. Socializing was harder though. You never fit in with kids your age who go to school. You can be friends with them, but you won't fit in.
well it’s a transitional experience. I’m sure if you did have a good homeschooling experience, where you weren’t coddled and shielded from other’s opinions, you would have thought the same about public schools
14:37 Her point about how learning to raise your hand somehow correlates to kids being taught 'not to ask questions' is not only incorrect, but an overall ignorant point of view. Teaching kids to raise their hands instead of yelling out randomly whatever comes to mind ensures every voice is heard no matter how quiet and shy one child is, or how loud and arrogant another is. It sets a baseline, and provides an even playing field for every kid in the classroom to have a chance to speak without getting railroaded or sidelined. It also crucially teaches that respect, politeness, and patience will get you further than speaking out of turn and disrupting will. It also promotes better listening skills.
Furthermore it reflects the working and university environment. If your in a meeting you cant just blurt out whatever comes to mind and in a lecture theatre environment you have to raise ur hand because your in a room of potentially 300 other students.
Incredible to hear her explain how her acting school had a paradigm based on her own biases without a hint of irony that her paradigm towards school is also based on her own biases
I know a few people who went to homeschool and then onto university. I tried it for the last two years in homeschool which made learning easier for me. No other kids interrupting the lessons with dumb pranks or jokes. The caveat is it requires A LOT of discipline. I fell behind on a couple subjects cos my parents still had to work and I was left to my own devices for most days. My social life wasnt impacted at all as we would just chat over MSN messenger and frequently meet up to hangout. Even some kids I met through the homeschooling online portal have become some of my closest friends now in my 30's. There are pro's and con's and I can see how it wont suit everyone probably not even most.
your very much right on the part with discipline. if you have discipline it is 100% for you. most people, especially kids, dont have that. especially a kid with adhd, either homeschooling would be really bad, or really great. its not black and white and everyone is different.
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@@tsjamas works for me now, maybe fixed?
it doesn't work for me, then again I went to University.
@@noturnleftunstoned72 I think that's because you fell for that ponzi scheme
When asked how many friends your kid has, to reply with how many followers he has on tiktok is honestly one of the most fucking depressing things I've ever heard in my life.
Except he only asked if he’s extrovert. Not how many friends. And having a large social media following definitely is a good answer to being ask if someone is an extrovert.
I have like 6 🤔 I think 3 of them are bots
@@lawrencelord9777 he asked how much social interaction does her kids have with peers were you listening?
@@lawrencelord9777 That's literally not what he asked. The question was how much social interactions they get with people their age.
@@ChoppersRevenge ah so you agree the original comment is wrong when they say the question was how many friends they have
As a history nerd the first few minutes of this triggered me. The first public school in America was established in 1635. There have been schools in societies for thousands of years. I really wish she had been pushed on that.
It’s hard to believe that the first couple years of America didn’t have schools. But at the same time before child labor laws, and maybe farms, maybe kids worked early. That or spent tons of time in church. Idk I find it hard to believe that schools weren’t in America for so many years
@@rickstevenson267 America didn't have children for the first couple decades.
@@thefutureisnowoldman7653 I meant couple houndred years* type my bad
This bothers me to no end when host are so stupid they can't even correct the obvious....
Also I’m pretty sure that one of the first public education systems was established during the Han era of China (around 220 AD), the Sui era (~520 AD) revised the system and added one of the earliest forms of standardized examination for certain career positions, and the Song era (~960 AD) introduced one of the earliest forms of private schools. (As a history lover myself that first bit pissed me off a bit too.)
I’ve only just started this and the fact that she opened with “there were no schools in the 1700’s” when the school I went to was literally founded in 1563 is killing me
its funny cause no one calls her out on it meaning they didnt know either
@@smallbonesrs It’s because everyone in that room is a pseudo intellectual, sorry but including destiny. He’s good at conversations but he has no expertise in any particular topic, when he doesn’t have a computer with research in front of him he’s not stupid but not particularly smart, at the very least he’s not this genius people make him out to be
@@aaaa-xf3hx intelligence isn’t measured by how much info you know it’s measured with how you think and come to conclusions with the info you know.
The concept of school has existed since classical antiquity. Sure, it has evolved and changed a lot over history and across different cultures, but the general concept of pooling together young people ("students") under the tutelage of a skilled adult ("teacher") for intellectual learning belongs to a direct tradition going back well over 2000 years.
@@aaaa-xf3hx you made no point with this, so were you ironically calling people pseudointellectual? Yeah gee, MOST people don't know random factoids and would have to pull up encyclopedic sources when randomly challenged by a pretentious douchebag acting like they know something. They didn't have an actual topic going into the show, so it's kinda weird to say "hurr durr they're not experts".
her getting so defensive at the simple "how much and where do your kids socialize?" question is so extremely telling
"My son has TikTok with 2M followers..." I died at that point lmao
I know a ton of kids that were homeschooled and were far more advanced with what they know. The good thing is they can move at their own pace and aren't held back. There are many homeschool clubs and they always had friends that went to school in the neighborhood. They play sports so that whole socializing isn't a good argument in my opinion. Look at the public schools and what goes on there. Look at most of the scores and also quick question for public schools compared to many other Western countries. Doesn't really give up lic school more weight. Again these are just my opinions. I really don't care what people without kids arguing about how you should raise your kids.
@jarudpope8518 eh I feel the same but one thing I didn't consider was that most of the home-schooled kids I knew had an upper middle-class to pretty well-off parents who were also educated or owned a business.
@@logoutofmyaccountweirdo yea one of the most annoying part of the pro-homeschool people is the fact that for the vast majority of parents in America homeschooling is not even close to a practical option, so they just come off as not advocates for homeschooling, but advocates against public schooling. Meaning their end goal is defunding the school system my children are in.
I'm ngl, it's a pretty fucked up question imo. It's taking a dig at her kid.
This woman says that in public schools you are taught not to ask questions, then 2 mins later says she has absolute authority over her children
most people homeschool to control what their children think. sometimes that's good, most times it's bad.
@@WapitalismandWreedom I'd even argue that it would require very rare and specific circumstances for homeschooling to be better than going to public schooling.
But it's not that hard, when you go to public school you obey their rules and when you're at home to obey those rules.
thats because shes a far right insane extermist they are all authoritarians and love dictatorships only when they are the ones with the power so it makes absolute sense how she even said "raising your hand to ask a question" she literally hates democracy.
Thats what its really all about to her: authoritarianism, she wants and needs total control over her children. She abhors any source of information or authoritary outside her own, she is a deeply selfish narcissist who wants little stepford children. But she can't own up to this so she projects her compulsion for control onto 'the other', mix that in with some buzzwords lilke freedom, family, patriot, founding fathers and you get this trash.
As I plumber there's nothing I hate more than when people use my profession to bash school. I make 100+ grand a year. But do you have any idea how fucking hard I have to work to make that money. While my friends who went to college make over 100 grand working at a desk 9-5 I was in a ditch at 615 am knee deep in raw sewage. I'll be in that ditch until about 4pm cutting cast iron pipe with a grinder and then pouring molten lead. After I climb out of the ditch I've got to go to a second job and carry toilets and tubs up 6 stories. When I get home at 7pm.ill be too tired to play with my kids and will probably fall asleep while trying to talk to my kids. My hands hurt, my back hurts, my knees hurt. God forbid if my knee gets any worse I won't be able to make a living. Go to school.
Become a plumbing code professional, save yourself!
We recently had a really cool crew come over all the way from town and do our septic. They quite literally crawled INTO the tank and charged us for the privilege. I had no problem paying them whatever they asked. Thank you for what you guys do.
You’re a valuable member of society unlike what most homeschool kids will become
Or you could not do the second job and try something that doesn't require heavy lifting. Don't go to school if it isn't for you.
You need to create your own business at some point, you can't work like this your whole life
Growing up on film sets, tik tok, and "going to the store" cannot replace social interactions in public school.
The most superficial answer, "he has 2.5 million digital friends."
There are plenty of other ways for children to learn how to socialize besides spending time at public school. Here are just some examples:
1. Through extracurricular activities (think soccer practise)
2. Through community involvement (think church/neighborhood communities)
3. Through online friendships
This idea that everyone was socially inept before public school was invented is dumb as hell.
@@elite7329 Online friendships - ROFL.
You Americans are and will always be the laughingstock of the world.
@Elite Online friendships are not the same as schoolmate friends. You need to learn to make friends in a situation that you can't escape from (i.e., society). You're stuck in an area and you are forced to interact with other kids who you might not like, but still need to find a way to learn and challenge and get along with civilly. These things can't be learned in brief 1~2 hour stints like soccer practice where you can quit any time or go home afterwards.
The only reason you'd think public schools "indoctrinate" students into some liberal ideology is if you spent 100% of your time on Boomer Facebook. Schools are led by tired, underpaid teachers who are just trying to do their best. Every school has teachers who are conservative (usually the P.E. and history teachers), and teachers who are super liberal (language arts and music) and everyone in between. They bicker and debate all the time with each other, and students challenge their teachers all the time. It's not some 1984 Brave New World dystopian brainwashing factory.
I hate that every conservative is “indoctrinate this indoctrinate that” but never look at themselves. These guys talked extensively about putting them in schools that align with YOUR beliefs and teaching them to follow YOUR belief system. Not about letting them create their own understanding of the world.
"College is a Ponzi scheme"
"Why"
"Because I've changed the definition of a Ponzi scheme to call anything I don't like a Ponzi scheme"
kek
Positive she doesn't know what a Ponzi scheme is
Ma’am do you even know whose show you’re on 😂
When this lady said college is not school I knew that distiny was talking to a mentally disabled person. Imagine youre an adult over 20 years old and someone asks what school did you go to? “I went to Parker elementary”. Why bother talking to this disabled person
College is a scam
But there were schools in the 1700s?!? Like actual schools. I'm so lost in how education failed this woman.
She was probably homeschooled lol
realistically, the way school works now was developed in the last 100 years. It wasn't the same before institutionalized schools.
@@WapitalismandWreedom the point of the quote is not "schools look literally the same as a few hundred years ago" its more about how the act of teaching and even the setting look very similar if you look across time and cultures.
To be fair, most people did not attend them.
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Lol “shopping with mommy” as an example of peer socialization is the major cope of a helicopter parent.
and she said "they talk with adults!" when the question was socializing with their peers. insane logic she has
IKR
The first thing she brought up was her sons followers when asked about social interaction between her kids and their peers 🚩🚩🚩
I think generally when kids shop with their mom unless its toys r us they usually want to kill themselves
At least it seems like it
So upset that no one called her out on schools not existing. Fact checking should exist on these types of debates simply so less false misinformation gets spread. America has had schools longer than it has been a country.
exactly what i had commented. the first school in the US was opened in 1635
i agree and it's one of the only consistently irritating things ive seen on destinys channel. like just google it real quick please. everyone is like asking each other "did school exist??"
@@lesley1346 The Boston Latin School. Benjamin Franklin attended but did not graduate. Bro literally became the face of the hundred dollar bill. What a G.
Perhaps they didn't call her out because they do not know. This is the only century in which school has not established purpose:
1700's read the Bible
1800's assimilation
1900's industrial age
2000's ?
@@janicewilliams433information age.
Her unwillingness to call anything a con when she sees some greater good is maddening. No one is trying to trap you Sam, just be intellectually honest.
I swear if soup kitchens and shelters were proposed today she would call it a scam and be against it
every minute of her life is living in fear. what a sad existence
Tbf, I think I understand her point, she was saying that there IS a con to a sacrifice, as there is a pro, but a sacrifice isn't a con in itself, it just involves a con. See what I mean?
@@christophernoneya4635 no, she would call it a pyramid scheme
You mean willingness not unwillingness
She is literally hijacking the whole podcast interrupting Steve and the hosts into npc oblivion talking points.
Of course she's entitled. She's married to a literal demigod.
maybe u gotta do some listening points
she doesnt believe in raising hands instead she beieves in disrespectfully interepting everyone
@jasonflake6364 ermm i dont know where u got that information from about strangling his wife and clearly he does work and is very successful. Regardless of all that i dont see what that has to do with her being extremely disrespectful and interepting everyone.
@Jason Flake Based.
I would love to see this woman run a classroom where no one has to raise their hand before they ask a question.
She's not arguing for not having to raise your hand in classrooms, she arguing against classrooms
She’s clueless. Brain dead. Like a lot of republicans
@@TR13400 Home-schooling sounds like a nice idea on paper, until you realize:
1. Not every parent cares that much about their children to teach them about anything.
2. Not every parent knows how to teach. If the dad works full time, and the mother is dog-shit at math, the kid is basically screwed.
Basically, classrooms are the most effective/efficient environment to pass down knowledge on a large scale. There's a reason things are the way they are. There's a reason why you need to raise your hand in a classroom. I'm not gonna say it's a perfect system, but I WILL say that, IN GENERAL, it's better than being homeschooled.
Obviously if a school deviates from the norm (extreme strict policies, authoritarian, overly biased curriculums, etc.), then obviously reasons for home-schooling begin to appear. But that's not how the vast majority of schools are. It's usually only private schools that are like that.
@@Calembunial those 2 issues you have are with bad parenting not with homeschooling.
1. Parents not caring about their children to teach is a problem with the parent.
2. Parents not knowing the things they were supposedly taught in public school. If you can't teach someone else something you never properly learned it.
I agree classrooms/schools are the most efficient way of teaching on a wide scale, mainly because it's basically the only option besides homeschooling.
What are the metrics you are going by that indicate to you that going to public/ private school is in general better than being homeschooling? Genuine question I don't know how effective homeschooling is.
Basically every school is aithoritarian in terms of how the children are treated. Not being able to speak, restricting their movement and general freedoms. I think it should be a more open environment and instead of forcing ever child to learn we should try to encourage them to want to learn. It should be more voluntary than it is instead of some sort of education prison.
@@TR13400 1. Or that is just called being a normal parent, most parents can't be expected to know everything nor have the time to teach their child everything if they have a career that is needed to provide for their childs future. Thats why its probably better to hire outside help for homeschooling.
2. Yeah thats called being an adult who graduated highschool most adults dont remember all the things they were taught in highschool, simply because alot of it isn't relevant to their current state in life.
The metric you use to decide this is how good the child performs at aptitude test, how well adjusted their social state of mind is at dealing at social situations.
Schools need to be authoritarian because you are dealing with children who have no idea whats best for them. Most of the rules in place for decipline is there for a good reason, you shouldn't be allowed to talk freely when the class is in session, you also shouldn't be allowed to move around freely when class is in session. Two reasons its disrupts the teachers ability to teach and disrupts the rare students that are interested in the subject the ability to learn because of the other students selfishness. The notion students should be encouraged to learn instead of forced is ideal and if that were practical I would encourage but reality is that most kids aren't interested in learning most seek out what gives them to most dopamine hits which isn't education. And allowing the child to engage in that in the short term might make the child happy but in the long term is harmful especially in the work place cause the reality is that most work places for the majority of people are authoritarian in some way and if a child doesn't have that experience growing up where they have to complete certain tasks that they dont want to otherwise face negative repercussions. And this is something wont be absent in homeschooling, the main difference is the attention the child is given which will be better in homeschooling.
I think she ironically convinced everyone watching this debate that public school is 100% the right option
Especially when the parent who homeschools their kid is stupid. 😂
Watching what national literacy rates were before the introduction of public education/Compulsory education should be enough to demonstrate that things such as education should come with a guarantee for all of our sake.
The woman sounds like an actual nightmare parent to live with holy sheet
Yeah, when she glowed about how wonderful her relationship with her children is I immediately thought, "For you or them?"
She's Kevin Sorbo's wife. They're both terrible so it probably works for them.
Christian conservative, bro. Tens of millions of them throughout the United States.
They're not all crazy though, a plurality, but not all.
@@dininelbourne someone should really check on them holy shit this woman is a monster
@@WarsWorth CPS should at least be aware.
I actually think she's an excellent example of how homeschooling can be used intentionally by a controlling parent. She says she keeps pretty tight control on how they behave, she controls all the stuff they learn about (avoids anything that conflicts with her beliefs and worldview) and "socialization" involves likely tightly controlled internet access and shopping with mom.
not to mention gloating and being proud of her kids never having a rebellious phase - like what, are they even their own people?
@@snowrubu I think you can become ur own person even if you didn't have a rebellious phase, however acting like that is something special or taking credit for ur kid not being rebellious is fucking hilarious.
Not to mention, if homeschooling somehow replaces public schooling, how we avoid this? because these kind of people don't seem to be in favour of punishing parents? how do we fire a parent?
Ironically, your description of her homeschooling also described the contemporary public education system: lots of extremely polarizing political topics are taught as "moral truths" and challenging those views, especially if the school itself takes a hard stance on these views, risks your grades, sometimes your school record, and even your social circle [because to them, you're considered the "devil" (another irony)]. So, you end up either peer pressured to conform to the status quo or you go about unable to question things... in an academic setting... of all places...This disease is trickling over to our higher education; what was once considered to be the beacon of intellectual exchange.
I do think the lady lacked a lot of nuances in many of her takes [and most probably, higher education would have helped her with that lol], but she's not wrong about the issues in our education system.
@@sopliplily2204 She's just mad that schools aren't pushing her flavor of beliefs
A lot of conservatives says “oh just homeschool your kid” like it’s an easy thing to do overnight. Most parents can’t even afford to go that route
Most ppl are too stupid to teach their kids. But then again, the government is filled with worthless ppl so at this point. It's a toss up
Brokie
Should just get rid off liberal propaganda from schools and no one would even ask for homeschooling.
Schools should be free from politics.
@@anonnymous31 facts.
@@DomDanCam ur useless
You knew it was going to be exhausting when she decided to argue that College and Schools are 2 different things 😆
They are though. Public school is almost free, college you have to pay for forever.
@@chubbzchannelnaw. Not everyone gets into debt. Some of us have family to pay for it
@@chubbzchannel 🤨please tell me you're being sarcastic 🙄
@@chubbzchannel Community. College.
@@chubbzchannelthat’s interesting cuz my job is paying for 100% of my degree. Someone should warn them they’re gonna be stuck with that forever
I was a private tutor for a little while and I assure you that whilst all very sweet and well meaning, the homeschooled kids who came to me for extra support were some of the dumbest social misfits I've ever encountered on this Earth.
you see these people all the time on reddit. homeschooled all their life and feel like theyre missing out on social life. its pretty sad how its literally just cause the parents live throuhg these kids
She’s like a wealthy actress. My guess is there upper 5% or more. It’s possible they got a halfway decent education. The fact her younger son thinks he’s gonna be on the cutting edge of an engineering field without a degree isn’t exactly a good sign. Engineers are typically licensed. The cutting-edge of the field is probably done at or fed from elite universities. Like the electrical engineers designing new graphics cards are all phds from solid universities.
He’s not likely gonna do shit without degree unless he had serious connections and is a fucking savant. Even then he’d be better served with a degree.
Of course they are. This woman is a narzistic abuser.
@@OpiatesAndTits I did a calculus elective aimed at first year engineering students at university and got my ass beat so hard despite putting all of my effort into it, just because I didn't really opt for the specialised math subjects in high school. I feel like it'd be so stacked against this guys favour if he went for a high grade engineering degree
I was homeschooled as a child for around two years, and I was miserable because it was so hard to meet other kids my own age. I seriously believe it set my social skills back - I was incredibly awkward in high school because I had 100% missed out on those formative years when other kids were learning to socialize with each another. I eventually (with effort) developed that skill set & found my niche later in life, but it was so painful to feel like I had to 'catch up' on something that came naturally to everyone else around me, and it really damaged my self-esteem at the time. This mother is not doing her child a favor.
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I thought it was a good point why can't your child's happiness be a priority in homeschooling your bulls shitting if you've never met a kid that has trouble in school and never talks to anyone
It AMAZES me how someone can assert a falsehood ( the founding father didnt go to school ) so confidently...
That’s what a stupid person would say not expecting to be called out LOL
The age of the gigachad
Like destiny does all the time 🙄
@@tayo17923 bot
Our public school system dates back to the late 18th century. She's full of sh*t.
"Franklin's family sent Benjamin to the Boston Latin School at age eight. This public magnet school was founded in 1635 and still exists today."
She immediately strikes me as somebody who lives through their child lol
Kinda the entire reason people have kids, look into terror management theory
She's done radio and speaks 5 languages as well as acted before I think your just jealous her kid has over 2 million followers
@@tyruswillier7358 cool story bro
@@tyruswillier7358 I don't even know why you thought it worth posting that. Enjoy the rest of your day not contributing to society.
In a way we all live through our children. They are us in a way. Just a neuralnetwork that gets taught lessons the easier and progressively easier way.
"My kids get social interaction. I take them to stores with me."
And you know she sits there and watches every single sport practice her kids have. She's that parent for sure.
Actual Karin.
yeah. big yikes as soon as she said that lol
@Jason Flake oh my god. that makes me want to put my own head in a drill press. how tf is shopping with your mom 'socializing', lady?? I'm not having conversations with some random kid in the mall, I just want to buy shit and go home.
and the kdis dont even talk to other kids "they speak to other adults", like this ladys taking them to designer brand stores to watch her shop not kid friendly places lol
As someone who teaches youth martial arts: cool.
I’d rather my students have parents that are interested in their sports rather than parents that treat practice times like they’re more babysitting hours. What’s with this weird hatred of parents watching sports practice?
I was homeschooled because my parents had these views. I was alienated from my peers, became socially awkward. Didn’t learn science, I got Bible studies. Was stuck at home around my parents all day, and grew to resent them. Over time I shed my social awkwardness by joining the military. I left theism, because it was only a hindrance to me. My parents and I don’t talk at all, because I resented them for the level of control they held over my life and used it to fill my head with their stupid ideas. This lady is delusional, I’ve stopped many people who asked me if homeschooling was a good idea. I’m successful, but all my siblings aren’t. Don’t homeschool.
Parents often have misguided views whether they home school or not, they only did what they thought was best, yes they were wrong but im sure they didnt do it because they thought it would cause problems, speak to your parents man, im sure they really want to hear from you.
They should interview her kids when they’re 18, she’s adamant she has a great relationship with them but I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re in the same scenario as you were.
Bruh, her kids are 21, 19 and 17. She says this twice. Watch the entire video before you comment.
I ain't saying you're wrong. I ain't saying that you don't have a point. I'm just saying.
@@dickiemcgeezacks9458haha when she said he had followers on tik tok she made it seem like they were younger. But yeah I want to see what her kids all say and feel about their home school experience.
@David Jones I agree control has something to do with it but i think its really done out of fear, which i completely understand but you cant live in fear of what might happen. There are bad influences in all warps of life, be it in the church group or on the other side of the train tracks, its better not to shelter your child because they are more capable of spotting bad actors, especially if they played hercules :) just kidding i actually liked that show :) his wife is a very fearful woman who lets her child on tik tok lol.
The first American schools opened in the 17th century in the Thirteen Colonies, and the first public school was established in Boston, Massachusetts on April 23, 1635. The school, called Boston Latin School, was not funded by taxes at first and served boys. In 1644, Dedham, Massachusetts became the first US community to fund a public school through taxes
this chick was insane.
She was crazy enough to marry Kevin!
At 14:35 ish she makes cogent points. She’s a bit of a Karen for sure but she brings forth actual issues with the education system.
@@dustinlerch9272 @Dustin Lerch she maybe makes good observations but her prescriptions are insane
Now imagine that women is your mother...
Then you’re doing the opposite of the overall morals of this video. You’re too invested in just accepting Destiny telling you what is wrong or right, that you cannot hear others opinions and pull some beneficial qualities that exist with homeschooling.
The current education system is terrible, and if data tells you that a tremendous amount of highly intelligent people happen to be homeschooled, or very recognizable universities are largely looking for homeschooled children, then there’s a problem.
Every homeschool kid I’ve met in high school was weird asf. Not like “oh they’re super mature and don’t know how to have fun” but more like “they smell like milk and never talk to anyone”
Home school kids don’t know how to interact with other people that well. Kids need to be around other kids to learn what socially acceptable and what’s not.
My fiancee was homeschooled and she's more social than myself and I went to public school. There's a lot homeschool groups can do to socialize kids. Granted it's not on maybe the same scale as going to a class for 500+ like I did
@@DaN00b1 not a lot, there is nothing equivalent of being with the same kids in a classroom for an entire years.
@@ni9274 I feel like there's a fundamental misunderstanding of what homeschooling is. There's a lot of different ways kids can get socialization depending on what state you live in. Homeschooler's can join school sports, clubs, there's whole groups that meet at church's/specific places that is basically the same format as school but with the parents being involved in their kids education. People hear "homeschool" and think these kids just sit in the house all day, which isn't true
Smell like Milk, that should win some daily UA-cam comment award.
Raising your hand to ask questions is just to keep the class in order so that everyone can listen and learn
Imagine forcing her kids to hear other thoughts other than the one's in their household echochamber.
This woman just learned the word paradigm and is going to use it as much as she can
😂
“pOnZi sChEMe”
The “school paradigm.” Ridiculous. And acting like land gentry weren’t educated by anyone but their parents in the home
its a fun word
She interrupts him in the first sentence and i already dislike her massively. How can you be this condescending whilst also nitpicking a completely meaningless point.
Imagine being her child
Not to mention she was also unbelievably incorrect. "Schools didn't exist" is an insane take.
@@BamaBoyJosh in some extremely pedantic and stupid sense she's _sort of_ right but centrally-organized, formal education has existed in the west since (iirc, drawing on things i haven't read in a very long time) fuckin Augustine of Canterbury set up Latin grammar schools in the 6th century. Roman-style oral education existed long before that, too
I honestly think having kids gives some women an absolutly unwarranted level of confidence. Like being a mother is some kind of credential. Lots of them are simply stupid and no amount of kids will increase iq
Women…
When she complained about kids needing to raise their hands to ask or answer questions at school, I thought "she's never been inside a classroom in her life if she thinks that's a bad idea".
Why don’t all the kids just respect each other enough to not talk over each other? 😥
They literally are baffled that teaching children and managing a classroom are learned skills
Right. The only way to a proper education is pure chaos.
Right! So should people just start talking all at once? For a conservative not wanting order is kinda weird.
@@cheatyhotbeef2636 have you never interacted with children before?
The women's debate is essentially "I want to control every little thing my kids learn".
The amount of disinformation and projecting is ridiculous.
Totally.
You know she hasn’t been in school for over three decades when the first thing she thinks of as a problem with the public schooling system is the fact you have to raise your hand to ask a question. What dimension is she calling from?
Yeah, it was ridiculous. She's acting like raising your hand is such a challenge. If you don't want to ask in front of the class in the middle of the lecture then you can wait until there is table work and go ask then. Tbh her point on asking questions wasn't totally coherent, so I'm not even sure what the issue was
@@sarahmchugh4169 can you imagine if you are in a marketing meeting at 26 years old- do you shout out and just scream it out? raising hands works as adults
@@jakegoldblum You know what's funny, I will still raise my hand at times if it seems chaotic in an environment, and many times, it got quieter, I[m guessing partly because people are seeing an adult raising their hand, but also, they knew I had a question and directed attention towards me.
I understand that you are in a way "asking permission" when raising your hand, but I never felt I couldn't speak unless granted permission- it was always more of a way to not interrupt someone else and to heard when speaking.
Ultimately, I'm not against the practice, and I still do it from time to time in group settings, even at 29.
well considering she's an ultimate giga narcissist I'm sure the idea of not being able to lightly clap her hands and speak over everyone in the room with their full attention seems like a personal insult
Literally every founding father was educated in one way or another. Many of them went to a grammar school from a very young age. Others had tutors. Almost all of these would be equivalent to modern day schooling.
And by equivalent to modern day schooling you mean barely similar at all
@@tyruswillier7358 no, he means what he said. Is your reading comp that shit?
@@breadlookinboi8856 how is a tutor the same as getting on a bus and going to a building for 12 years to learn from multiple teachers on multiple subjects then genius since I'm so stupid
@@tyruswillier7358 The information transfer was the same. They learned the days mathematics and studied English the same as kids do now. Just because you didn’t get on a bus and go to school doesn’t mean that the instruction, and more importantly, the GOAL OF the instruction, is the same.
@@tyruswillier7358 Thomas Jefferson went to an English school starting at age 5 and was a vocal proponent for free public education at an elementary level.
Imagine saying with a straight face that home schooling was good for your children and at the same time admitting that your child is a tiktok star . He sure is doing great things with his life
Making more money than u
@@mannygonzalez2868 you have no idea how much nick makes. He is not your chola momma with her ebt card.
@@mannygonzalez2868 if you have to count somebody else’s money to make your point, then you’ve lost the argument before it even started lmao
@@darkking8729 No, the purpose of all school is to be able to provide for yourself in adulthood. You can spout all the feel good nonsense about changing the world that you want but at their core, even professions dedicated to helping the world DO have a primary goal of making money. Changing the world happens in the form of political activism which happens as an ASIDE to your career.
Anyway, the thing you SHOULD be focusing on, that you ALL missed for absolutely no fucking reason is that her kid got LUCKY as FUCK. 99.99% of homeschooled kids are NEVER going to be fucking clouted up on the internet enough to make a livable earning for themselves. She may as well have replied "Well homeschooled kids are fine because my kid won the lottery, why don't the other homeschooled kids just do that???" Yes indeed Sam, why don't they.
@@reddillon8425 that changes literally nothing about my point but OK
I feel so sorry for that lady's kids. She is unbearable
This lady sold me on the public school system. If this is what the parents that homeschool think about the world, their kids are screwed.
It's a free world, everyone is free to put their kids in any system they want. I know many of you loved school and enjoyed the whole thing so I expect you to send your kids there
She answered every question exactly how an unaware actress would
College is a scam…. Conservatives need their own colleges”. Lol this was brutal to sit through
Yeah, if they can just get over their complete selfishness and the "me me me", they'd maybe think about helping others... Then of course they'd get called "the left"
Yeah, it is a really crap arguement because it treats it black and white when it is really shades of grey. Some of the degrees that don't have a solid industry waiting for them is a scam. You pay the same price for a STEM degree as a social science degree and yet if you end up being an HR rep, you make less than half if now more than your STEM counterparts. Some people are just not good at STEM, and social sciences is not the answer for most. The answer for most is a trade skill and that has been ruined by social media and our parents thinking that there is something wrong with working with your hands over working in a suit. Social media makes it worse because women are leaning more into clout than wealth at this day. Most women would want a 60k a year office worker over a 100k a year plumber/trucker because it doesn't sell well on social media to be dating or the wife a trade worker vs a white collar job.
Yeah that lady was insufferable like holy shit.
bruh those two points were made by two different people
This type of comment is what happens when you believe the other side is an NPC hive mind like yours is.
18:48 & 19:09 Ben Franklin's attended Boston Latin School for two years ('cause his parents didn't have enough money)
but did not graduate. He continued his education through a lot of reading, his schooling ended when he was ten.
By the way, the school he attended was established in 1635, making it both the oldest public school in British America and the oldest existing school in the United States
So yeah, they did have _some_ kind of schools (or what they were called, Magnet Schools, with _specialized_ courses or curricula.)
*Like charter schools today.*
She acted like she was ready for the socialization argument against homeschooling, and then relies on 1) TikTok followers, 2) mooching off of sports programs provided by the public schools, 3) shopping with mom, and 4) hanging out on film sets?
Holy hell the ignorance here. Now I'll agree about social media it's pretty much a cancer everything else you said is just a bunch of garbage. Public schools are tax payer funded so there's no mooching unless you really want to get into net positive tax payers and I don't really think you want to do that. Have you interacted with a public school child recently? If you have then I don't believe for one second you would call modern socialization good. Personally I would have enjoyed the movie sets 1000 times more than having to endure school socialization.
@@ashenlion805 It's kind of rich to suggest "schools" are abuse...oh except when I want my kid to play on their sports teams. I'll admit I don't have much experience hanging around film sets, so I can't speak to how well that kind of adult professional environment affects a child's socialization skills and ability to interact with their peers.
@@voidmayonnaise true but still relies on a public institution that wouldn’t exist if all kids or majority of kids were homeschooled like she wants
I’m in shock by the huge distrust in public schools here, but she has no awareness of how massively under qualified most parents are to actually teach kids.
Look up at how bad "No Child Left Behind" did people in public school system. Or how people ended up stuck in shitty schools due to how the funding works. That's not even applying the social shit kids gotta avoid or deal with like the constant fights and or gang activity.
@@ExeErdna Yes, because the system is the problem, NOT schooling. We need to make school more humane, not take out the kids and have them home schooled. No idea if this is true or not, but from my personal experience problems like constant fights or gang activity stems from inhumane schooling conditions (wich makes some kids go apeshit).
She would argue it's because those parents went to school
@@DootyDuck It isn't just the school conditions but the home as well. School becomes better when people care more about each other.
This woman is crazy if she thinks "going to the store" and "piano class" is enough to teach her kids one of the most important rules in life: how to maneuver society
She's probably such an asshole on a movie set if she thinks like this.
Also telling that *all* of her kids were enrolled in piano class. Are they all fans of piano, or is it she who is?
Public Schools were invented in modernity, do you really think that before of this childrens didn't socially communicated? I'll say more. Children communicate with each other despite the school, since the school, like any hierarchical, bureaucratic and caste structure, requires formalized subordination and standardization, which is opposite to natural social relations.
@@SosKok Silence anime pfp, you're clearly a child that doesn't have enough perspective to talk on the issue if that's what you're saying. Please, say less.
@@imbigwes Silence fanatic of coercion and state violence. You are definitely a statist and have no right to speak on the issue. Please, say less
Finding what a child is gifted at is much harder than one would think. A majority of children don’t know their skill set until at least early tweens, the parents simply ascribe them tasks and learning objectives for them to persue in the mean time. This is not to say that children can’t be gifted, there are plenty of examples of prodigies, but they most likely aren’t any better than the average in all but one or two areas of life. You projecting your personal desires as a parent onto your child will stifle their growth, since you only have one perspective you can put into them over 18 years, whereas a student will experience thousands of individual perspectives and be taught by almost a hundred teachers during their schooling tenure. Even if ten of them are bad, the other ninety will result in a well-adjusted and MORE INTELLIGENT child than if the parent restricted them to their house.
Damn, Destiny is literally popping up on every major podcast and I’m loving it
What other podcasts has he done? would love to listen to them
@@CaptinWong I got you brotha. Off the top of my head he was on Lex Friedman, Fresh and Fit (for the second time), Chris Williamson, No Jumper, The Emily and Todd Podcast, and now this. Great debates and convos in all of them.
@@liveatthemaximum5540 yeah we really need to hear a blue-haired SJW talk about how bad men are. such a refreshing new voice.
@@johnlonne7062 Do you really think that’s all he does? He doesn’t shit on men, he shits on red pillers that spew dogshit, it’s not just men in general. I hope you don’t think Destiny is someone that goes easy on women lmao, he’s nearly gotten cancelled many times.
@John Lonne way to judge someone purely based off their looks. Ya'll looooove doing that.
Okay, she's convinced me. Let's make homeschool illegal. We must protect kids from parents like this.
She makes some good points, she makes some bad points. This women is far from the level of crazy than what I've seen online. This video was overall educating, because it made me think a lot more about both sides.
It depends on the child what version of education they need, and you really can't know until they are in their adulthood. Both sides are trying their best to do great, but sometimes there are kids that fall behind, with both methods. Public education failed me, and I had to educate myself through UA-cam, Udemy, Lydia, Skillshare, and Brillant for 4 years after I graduated to become self sufficient. I was so unequipped to deal with life, partially the fault of my parents as well. They were always at work, so it's not entirely their fault. Most importantly, I had to learn 'how to learn'. Which is a great point against public education, at least with my school. I was always spoon-fed information. Never allowing to argue, just accept and be quiet.
If I was given the opportunity to learn on my own. I know I would have persevered before I ever turned 18. Being in school, the only positive thing I would say, is I got to have access to expensive CAD software, a woodshop full of expensive equipment, and a metal shop full of equipment. That's it. Not that the teacher was great with those areas, but that I simply had that option. The down side of school, is I that only had access to that stuff for 45 minutes out of the day. And school forced me to participate in things that I didn't like, or was helpful to me. Being exposed to only 1 topic for 45 minutes. Really changes the mind. My attention was only on one thing for only a short period of time. It took a while to get over that.
If the money that went to taxes for public education, went to me to pursue my own knowledge. I would have done way more, way faster than what a school could do.
@@HaloWolf102 Nah this women is fucking crazy & the fact people like you & her exist who don't think this sorta shit is literal child abuse scare the fuck out of me
@@HaloWolf102she makes a lot of terrible points… the clear joke that’s being made here, is based on this woman, it should be banned
@@HaloWolf102 She had some points that were good or at least could be further explored or worked on, but her overall position and approchement to education and her display of knowledge (the lack of it) already demonstrated her personal bias and why she would fail or be horrible as a teacher.
Her approach was on the level of conspiracy theory, I half expected her to start talking about the Jews.
I am willing to bet money that she would fail multiple times if she tried to get a teacher's license in my country.
Also, something that wasn't brought up enough.
Nothing prevents you from (homeschooling) teaching your child when you come home from work and the child from school.
The best time to do it is to assist and partake during their homework.
😂😂
It's funny how Destiny looks like a clown but has the most maturity
Truuu
At this point I think the blue hair is big hurdle.
@@D.S.handle Only for brain dead morons who can't look past someone's hair color. Those kind of people aren't open to any kind of rational thought anyway so its a decent filter. Plus I think it looks quite good on him.
@@D.S.handle I think it is a perfect litmus test. If a person can not take you seriously because of superficial shit like blue hair, you probably are wasting your time talking to them. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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As someone who was homeschooled from 3-7th grade, it absolutely destroys your social development, and also doesn't prepare you for adulthood like regular school does. And that's assuming the parent is even a competent teacher, which is almost never the case.
"My idea of 'home education' is working on my book while my kids instruct themselves." Genius.
You raise your hand in class so everyone isn't shouting over each other and the teacher doesn't lose control of the lesson plan.. it's basic common courtesy like not cutting in line just because you're in a hurry.
And at the time they were talking about college classes, some of which have literally a hundred students. She's a joke.
Actually this point of hers makes sense.
1: in the real world at a job in a meeting no one is raising hands you just talk to add something or ask a question
2: it’s a cultural American thing, schools in other countries have students who ask questions and everyone engages with the Professor/teacher and the classroom is less formal but more of a conversation or living breathing experience
3: you’re describing a situation where people are talking over one another and aren’t waiting to ask their question..that only applies for 1st graders not high or middle schoolers treat them like their autonomous beings! They shouldn’t have to raise their hands they’re almost adults, that’s wild they have to raise their hands to even go to the bathroom like come on??
4:when I was in high school a teacher asked us a question. No one answered..he said if I was your manager and I asked for your opinion, you all would be fired right now. This raising of hands none sense has created a sense of complacency in the classroom and lack of engagement where students couldn’t be bothered to engage or feel anxiety to ask questions and boring routine lesson plans without room for learning which is a living breathing experience..not just delegating info to students and expecting memorization. You are a teacher not an audiobook or khan academy. I hate the public k-12 system..this lady is right they just train you to be worker bees and send u to college without a plan!
Source: my life experience
@boopboop9356 except it kind of doesn't as they were discussing college and she pivoted to a K-12 practice that is less used in higher grades. It's almost like they learned it's rude to interrupt and talk over others somehow... wonder what physical practice could have helped them learn that when younger.
Not to mention, it contradicts something else she said. Schools are somehow teaching kids to be complacent, docile and fall in line but also somehow teaching them to challenge authority at home and those spaces? Which is it?
And I've been in enough work environments to know your teachers assertion was bs. No one is getting fired just because they don't have an idea if their boss asks for input. I've seen this plenty of times in work meetings. What manager would be stupid enough to fire his entire team because no one had an immediate response to a question.
Hand raising is a problem now... and these are the people incensed that "the left is too sensitive".
It is interesting because PBD podcast usually avoids conflict that Destiny is very comfortable delving into. The woman probably required a lot of soothing or reconciliation from the PBD podcast because of how idiotic SHE made herself look. I wish Patrick Bet David actually had a one on one with Destiny to flesh out other topics that Destiny rarely talks about.
How disconnected people with money are... having a parent stay home not working is not a con.... kudos to Destiny, you have the patience of God
Omg I died when her first example of her children socialising is going to the shops with her lmao
Destiny walking her through what "pros and cons" means was painful.
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@@kepagu Literally the entire last section of the video, starting at 43:00
Do people go through the comments section without watching (or even planning to) watch the video?
@@kepagu 47:13
Moments like these remind me that maybe school wasn't completely useless, after all, we could have ended up like her.
@@LoudWaffle I am literally reading comments right now without having watched the video. I didnt click on this video because I wanted to watch it, I actually just wanted to see how ridiculus the defenses for home schooling are gonna get in the comment section. Can't say I am dissapointed tho.
That woman is going to have a hell of a shock when her kids can't find a job which requires an actual established credential that her home schooling wasn't sufficient for
Or they can go into highly lucrative apprenticeship programs like cyber and IT or another trade that will pay for your training and education since there’s a crazy shortage 🤷♀️
you can sit any important exam from elementary to high school whilst being homeschooled and they actually do far better on average than regularly schooled people, that being said the woman in the video is insane if she thinks going to the store and piano lessons are going to properly acclimate your child
Lol. You clearly aren’t informed on the statistics. Homeschooled kids are not only much more likely to do better academically and get into college, but are also more likely to end up in good paying jobs.
@@BillyBob-ec5oxlol, send over your stats, let’s have a look
@@BillyBob-ec5ox Even if your statistics were true, correlation is not causation. A family that can afford to homeschool their children is likely to have a larger median income than one that can't, which means they can also afford to send their kids to college
"Self sacrifice is the basis of capitalism"
Never heard anyone say anything dumber in my life. That woman is something else.
I am a proponent of capitalism but it being anything other than self serving is idiotic and plainly wrong.
@@aaronmontgomery2055 Eh, it's not exclusively self-serving. It can be exploitative to workers, but for a business to be successful (in a capitalist system), it has to be empathetic to consumer demand. If not, they don't succeed long term. Employees are marginalized the most, though.
that’s how every business is started
@@PhishyBusiness Except when it goes bankrupt the govt will bail you out.
This woman wears her distaste of education directly on her sleeve and it shows
Lol haven't even watched the video or your just a pathological liar
@@tyruswillier7358 you're *
@@100AcreWoodz1 I'm a star? Wow thanks dude I've never got that one before. She speaks 5 languages, and hosted a radio show. Just by what we know of her on this video we know your a bullshit artist.
@@tyruswillier7358 you're *
“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’
“I believe that every human being with a physically normal brain can learn a great deal and be surprisingly intellectual. I believe that what we badly need is social approval of learning and social rewards for learning.
“We can all be members of the intellectual elite and then, and only then, will a phrase like ‘America’s right to know’ and, indeed, any true concept of democracy, have any meaning.”
Isaac Asimov, 1980
This woman is the type of person to always pose a problem without ever providing a solution lol
Yep. Just churning the outrage machine.
She provided solutions for days.
Why is everything so grounded in politics for conservatives? According to them, every single thing in society is all: we're marginalized in this and we have to get a majority and control, control, control. So insane.
The irony and hypocrisy is overwhelming!
Because there are no actual principled positions behind the beliefs, only feelings of “this is weird, I don’t understand it, I don’t like it” or religious bullshit.
...and then they get up in arms when politics are included in media, sports, and business.
It's hilarious. they wonder why education leads to liberalization. They falsely attribute liberalization to a lack of conservatism in schools but the lack of conservatism is literally a consequence of people becoming smarter, more educated and less afraid of differences. It's just the flow of society. They're being left behind and desperately want to claw back some power. It's kinda funny and sas
I agree but they're not wrong about Colleges, you can't even debate ideas there anymore because the kids are sooo damn soft these days smh.
I love how this lady can pick 10 people out of 8 billion people who dropped out and become successful 😂🤣😂
and they didn't even drop out and then get going, they dropped out because their businesses where jetting off and didn't have time for work and school.
10 out of 8 billion is actually charitable if you think about it. She forgot to consider all the rest of human history.
“There were no schools in the 1700s.”
This singular comment should disqualify anybody from listening to a word she says on education. If she is responsible for educating her children, they might be in a world of hurt.
I liked the part where she said home schooled kids are more adult and that kids who go to public school get infantilized. Like wtf she's their mother and she's their only teacher, how is that not inherently more infantilizing lol
Being more adult as a kid isn't even a good thing. Your childhood is supposed to be your time to you know, be a child..
I was homeschooled K-12, all my siblings were homeschooled (except my oldest sister), and my mother was the administrator of a homeschool co-op. I could list outs the pros and cons of homeschooling without even thinking about it. She was obviously dodging the question. It's frustrating listening to this, because there are a lot of people who would greatly benefit by homeschooling their kids, and there are a lot that should stay the hell away from homeschooling. Just be honest so people can do what's right for their kids.
What are pros and cons of homeschooling? Could you please list them to help us understand better?
I hate how surprised I am to see a comment that starts with "I was homeschooled" and doesn't end in a sob story...
@@Sefetriex You're able to learn at a better pace and able to really focus on your personal interests like if a child is into tech, arts, music. They can do all that while learning the basic 4. The only REAL problem is the parent's limits and maybe some social issues that is also on the parents. I was homeschooled for a bit because of seriously sickly for a few years because of my asthma. I had my homies that basically lived next door and we always played together. When I moved out of the city and down south I went back to school as my health improved.
@@ExeErdna The problem is most parents cannot continue at that pace at all for the whole curriculum. All of the curriculum has to be mastered and practiced in advance so that you are ready to teach it properly. That is a monumental ask from a parent. Not to mention pedagogical skills.
@@RanEncounter I wouldn't say everyone could do it, but it isn't as difficult as you would think for the parents. Homeschooled children learn from books for the most part (obviously not all kids can do this). My parents rarely taught me anything directly. I just read and did my work. My mom checked my work when I was done (she had an answer key) and made sure I wasn't goofing off when I was supposed to be working. For high school a lot of homeschoolers will join co-ops and take classes a few time a week like Chemistry, Algebra, etc. if the student or their parents aren't confident about doing it on their own (of course some kids are very intelligent and do just fine on their own). Also a lot of us would start community college early (I started at 16) and take classes there for dual high school/college credit. My mom didn't master or practice anything before I learned it. I just got really good at learning from books.
Guest: school is bad.
Same guest: I use the term Ponzi scheme and have no idea what it actually means.
She clearly understands what the word means, when pressed to explain how college is a ponzi scheme she perfectly describes how ponzi schemes work, without elaborating at all on how it applies to colleges. It seems like she has a better understanding of ponzi schemes than she does of colleges.
@@Shannon_Lynch correct, what a lot of people are not understanding correctly is that this lady is not dumb. She is purposely bad faith to everything that goes against her world view that I bet she makes money of it. She is grifting like crazy. This whole video was 100% grifting talking points.
I came from an abusive home growing up
Almost anyone I talked to who was
Loved school
Its was a saving grace
I remember asking my 4th grade teacher if I could call him dad
He said no 😂
This woman is a great representation of everything wrong with our society... destiny was too kind.
A basic psychology class and a basic philosophy class would drastically help our K-12 education system. I was salutatorian of my high school, 4.13 GPA (5.0 advanced classes brought me above a 4.0), full ride to college, and you wouldn’t believe how small I felt in my first year at college meeting some guys in my dorm / classes who had worse GPAs than me but had psychology/intro to logic electives in high school that I didn’t have access to in Mississippi. It pushed me to change up my planned 2nd semester electives to “even the playing field”, and those electives drastically changed how I think about the world. Give those tools to a 14-15 year old… and you’re going to see a big improvement in testing & general well-roundedness of students and just young people in general.
@joker I don't mean to assume that just changing curriculum will make a difference, just that it would if students were in a place where they could effectively learn. Coming from the deep south where every nickel and dime of school / university money that can be scraped from fundraising is funneled into yet another football stadium upgrade, I know just how badly school funding can affect metrics of performance. It would definitely take a multi-pronged approach to get the US education system back on its feet overall.
It seems insane to me how no one argued 1) that parents on the whole are likely completely inept at fulfilling the teacher role at home and 2) that homeschooling doesn’t open up a child’s eyes to the world but rather indoctrinates them into their parents’ belief system.
@Jason Flake Can you show me on the doll where Destiny touched you, Jason?
And many of the founding fathers even went to school. And not only college but regular school.
Current public education system indoctrination< Any system lol
Thats true my “school” uses PragerU as a source lmaoo kill me 💀
the schools indoctrination is worse and more destructive. Fact
"How many friends does your son have?" "Two and a half million on TikTok." Jesus Christ almighty, she said that with a straight face.
as a University student studying education, she makes me so angry i cannot believe it holy shit. One of the big things you learn in the first semester is, that school is a way not only to teach, but also educate (in the sense of "raise") and socialize your child holy fuck. Its meant to actively bring you away form the environment of your family to teach you what rules there are in (AKTUAL) society, how to confront different world views and how to deal with social problems, something her children are missing out of (not completely i guess but) a great amount.
Exactly. It is Incredibly important for young people to be in a challenging enviroment
@Jason Flake What a great argument to contribute to the discussion, very informed and relevent.
@@pgmlivegameur it's pretty relevant in modern western society
@Jason Flake no, not at all, that is an oversimplification of trans people and when people say “trans woman” they are not suggesting that trans women are female(vagina, ovaries, XX chromosomes, etc). Gender dysphoria is a real phenomenon and conversation therapy only harms trans people. But, when accepted and integrated into society, suicide rates(which are really high)go down
Except her points can make sense if one believes schools are over-socializing the students to the point students are unable to even confront different worldviews and are denunciated in the spirit of "acceptance." As a parent, I would remove my children from that environment, even if that entails the children losing their ability to "socialize" in school, if doing so also retains their ability to think critically.
I do hope, as a future teacher, you will swim against the tides of the current sociopolitical climate and truly allow your students to have open dialogues and engage and confront each other rationally, honestly, and respectfully (and not in terms of "respecting" feelings or "respecting" people's beliefs/decisions/behaviors/etc because, at that point, the word, "respect" has lost its meaning and is redundant to meaning of "acceptance"; "respect" will simply be weaponized to erase all criticisms, as we see today. Rather, respect in terms as a deterrence of harm on the individual person).
This woman doesn’t know how to let someone finish a sentence, she knows how she wants to respond without knowing what the person has to say.
This woman's entire argument hinges on coming from wealth. What poor family can afford to cut out 1 adults salary to homeschooling? Literally no single parent can homeschool. What does she propose the average poor family do?
We should do what Hungary does in regards to social programs. Fund nuclear families instead of single moms
If I had to guess, they should pull themselves up from their bootstraps and stop taking handouts and go to church and pray.
Shes living off that kevin sorbo B-movie money
To not go to school and be working 12 hours a day at a shitty job when you are 15 lmao.
@@liammorris7324 You have a habit of posting very low IQ comments
I was homeschooled my whole life. Honestly, for the most part it was great. I usually only spent about 3-4 hours max doing school every day which left me time to work some so I had some spending cash in my mid teens, which was great once I started playing guitar because I was able to save for new gear that I wanted. I played sports for a while, then transitioned to just music and going to local metal and hardcore shows, sometimes by myself, sometimes with friends and family, so I had plenty of social outlets. I was allowed some choice in my schooling direction, like the option to choose marine biology over learning physics, and advanced consumers mathematics over calculus, so it was better for me because I was able to learn things I enjoyed rather than things that have little to no use for me
All that said, there are definitely cons to it. The social aspect wasn't an issue in my case, but it definitely can be. I was lucky enough to be plugged into my church youth band from 8th grade until graduation, so I was able to be around my peers doing something I loved. Non-religious people usually seem to have a much harder time finding extracurricular activities for their kids outside of sports, which is not something every kid wants to do. We were also part of a group of homeschoolers (which is who put together the sports league; we played other schools, mostly private, but there were some public schools as well), but growing up in the heavy music scene, I didn't really fit in with the other kids in the program as they were all much more sheltered and "normal" than I was
Another important one is kind of ridiculous, but unfortunately true. People tend to not take you seriously, whether academically, socially, or otherwise. In fact, I had to get a lawyer from the HSLDA (Homeschool Legal Defense Attorneys) to send an email to the HR of a WAREHOUSE job years ago just so that they'd confirm that I actually graduated high school, because my diploma wasn't from an "accredited institution" (not all state schools are fully "accredited," btw). And even just normal, everyday people have this stereotype of what homeschoolers should be like because they don't know anything about it. You wouldn't believe the amount of people that couldn't believe I was homeschooled just because I was smart, well-spoken, not a complete social recluse (I'm introverted, but not THAT bad), etc.
It really isn't for everyone, but I think that it should be taken more seriously. We're not all a bunch of backwoods rednecks that can't tie our shoes like some people seen to think. It's a viable option that can give your child a more flexible and personalized education towards THEIR goals if you do it right. Currently my daughter is in public school because my wife and I both need to work, but if the opportunity presented itself, I would definitely heavily consider it
As a high school teacher I have always been of the opinion that most parents should be capable of homeschooling if they graduated college and spend a year or two reading pedagogic theory to prepare before homeschooling. I might do it with my kids, though I’d associate with a "church homeschool group" over my dead body, that sounds like the absolute worst people to associate my children with if I want them to have the most benefits out of home school.
I went to high school and still worked. We got out of school at 2:30. I have yet to hear the 3 pros and cons from this woman.
@@eigna8914 lucky you
@@enanden9025 Lucky for what??? Here comes the dumb comments...
Just so you know you can go to public school and do many of the exact things. If you got family and they have the time home school can be great. You do lose out of some of the social aspect and teacher interaction and such. Either way it’s not the end of the world. It isn’t necessarily wrong to home school. People worried about public schools destroying kids is a joke though. Way more likely to be abused in home school.
"You two public schools people are below me and can't talk about my holier than thou home schooling." Is what she sounds like when she says that.
Why are there so many people who homeschool their kids like this? My best friend in high school was homeschooled in the elementary years, when I met his mother she was exactly like this. Confrontational, overly assertive, domineering with an unearned confidence. I don't know, I'm sure there are people who homeschool their kids who are perfectly decent and well adjusted, but to a large degree it feels like an authoritarian thing. Must be in charge!
my mother too...
Where are all these people? I've homeschooled for years and in that time I've met just a few like her. Its worth noting that homeschooling looks a lot different than it did when you were a kid. A lot of us took to heart the criticisms and made positive changes. There's still a handful of wackos like this, but most of us a level headed and have high academic expectations of our children.
"Why are so many people who homeschool their kids like this?"
Response bias on their part, and confirmation bias on your part.
She gives off major HOA board member vibes. So easy to imagine her measuring my lawn with a ruler.
That's just moms be my dude some moms are like this for public or private school. I knew one she kept her inside all the time and they were kinda hated by the neighborhood kids because of how their mom acted. Tiger Mom is the thing for a reason
Since the first minutes of this video I was astounded how confidently wrong she was, schools as we now them today were in place since the fcking middle-ages or even before that (Ancient Greece and Rome), not everywhere and the priests/philosophers would be the teachers but still
schooling in ancient India existed from as old as 1200"s
So she's a radio host and her husband is an actor/model.
Destiny hit the the nail on the head when he said he cant measure schooling success by just teaching his son to run a UA-cam channel because that's what he does and it would it just be piggybacking off of his career.
This was an amazing call out that this woman was sooo insecure about, because her oldest son hosts a tik tok podcast (her career) and is an actor (her husband's career). She knew right away how obvious this pitfall of her own situation was when she started answering very basic questions about her kids. She half heartedly mentioned that her next son was interested in engineering. Well it turns out you can google these people (because their parents pay for their promotion through social media) and his instagram says he is a model - i wonder where he got that idea?! I'll bet my life the other son doesnt even sniff a profession in engineering and it won't be because he isn't sure how to access the "cutting edge".
According to her, what does MIT know about the cutting edge of engineering anyway? The next best way to find the cutting edge of engineering is to post headshots on instagram.
Yup, like I told my college educated daughter……..Pretty won’t get you everywhere. What happens when life says you can’t cut it as a model or actor?
I was homeschooled for a majority of my school years and it was not the best option for me as a student. My mother was a SAHM with three other young children to care for and educate, and managed bookkeeping for my father’s business. She has ADHD which comes with a lot of functional obstacles like executive dysfunction, time blindness/poor time management, and general mental disorganization. Having her be in charge of my education was a nightmare and she will admit today that she was not equipped with the skills necessary to help me succeed as a student. I went to a once a week co-op which is basically school with other homeschooled kids where I had regular classes, I played sports, and I socialized other ways, but ultimately I dropped out in 10th grade because my mom didn’t have the ability to maintain my education, and also having similar ADHD issues myself, I was unable to push myself through school without guidance and structure.
I’m a licensed professional and making decent money now in my dream field, so I don’t think I was *insanely* handicapped in life by not going to school in that regard, but I was miserable not going to traditional school and missed out on a lot of education I wish I had today. I recognize homeschooling *can* be better than traditional school, but the structure has to be in place from the parents for the child to succeed, and not everyone can do that.
Not to be rude, I would have hated my mother as an adult if she did this to me.
Ok, so even though it wasn't easy you ended up very well in "your dream field". You're an exact product of your upbringing, education therefore you did exceptionally well. I dk how you can end up in your dream job and doing well but bitch about how you got there.
Its like a car trip, the trip should be 5 hours, and cost 500 in gas, it took 4.5 hours and cost 550 in gas. No matter how much it cost or how long it took if you ended up at your dream who the fuck cares.
Stop bitching... you worked hard and went against the grain through very challenging obstacles but made it to your destination. Quit bitching, and enjoy your success.
So if she did have the time and the structure in place you think it would have been a better over all educational experience than traditional schooling?
My homeschooling was from 10th-12th grade due to illness and it totally sucked. Both my parents worked and couldn't spend much time to educate me, so I was home alone all the time, and I didn't socialize. Basically, over three years, I did one online writing course and some chapters from a math textbook, faked the records for the rest, and passed the standardized test the school district required for passing high school. Lemme tell you, the bar is LOW on that test, like I could've passed it in 8th grade.
I wish I could have finished public high school. My memories of high school are watching netfilx and being depressed. I don't necessarily blame my parents because they were just doing the best they could, but I do wish they encouraged going to college and doing college prep. I would be in a much better place if they had.
I was homeschooled, turned out fine, but socializing is ABSOLUTELY a concern for a reason. The homeschooled moms that handwave the worry away or get offended are clueless
I was homeschooled and the socialization concerns are garbage. It's only an issue if the parent decides not to socialize their children. Those kids would have been weird anyway
That Karen is so out of touch with normal people it's embarrassing.
She's the wife of Kevin Sorbo, nuff said
Wait what makes her a Karen, she seemed like a normal conservative.
@@idontgetthejoke4813 hes just sexist.
Says he hates schools forcing their beliefs on his kids but sends his kids to Christian schools .....😂
i can’t believe she’s a real person
She is not real she is QAnon and saying don't use the word school is wacked
I have no words. This has got to be the most toxic parent I've ever seen. How can you be so damn co trolling to not allow your children to even conceptualize, no even grasp, disagreeing or combating your ideas? I can't imagine your kid growing up healthy if they are so isolated from others that they can't even get the idea to question "mom I wanna go to college" or "I don't agree with you it's not a ponzi scheme."
I was homeschooled, and was part of a TON of "coops", extracurricular activities and clubs. So you might assume I was well socialized, right? Wrong. I never saw the same kids consistently, people came and went, and I was constantly in a state of floating between groups of friends. Oh, I definitely got to know the parents really well though! They were always around, especially my mom...
The only year I had any solid social life was my senior year when I went PART TIME to a private school. Just one period of study hall and a couple classes with the same kids every day made my social life so much better because we had a level of consistent interaction. I made fast friends in just a few months and stayed friends with many of them years after graduating. Meanwhile, I immediately forgot about all of my homeschool friends after I graduated because I barely knew them.
This is homeschooling, and none of the people on this panel have even been fucking homeschooled so maybe have someone on who actually has been.
i went to public schools. never been part of a friend group either.
I love that I grew up in public school, it makes you aware of others and welcoming of others, more open minded. And I’m super close to my mother and father
As an adult with childhood trauma (all of it from my parents not from school, school was my only salvation) this is completely wild to me.
My biggest complaint is her saying how much interactions her kids have when she brings them on MOVIE SETS, some of us didint grow up with wealthy parents who could afford to bring their kids with them to a viable working area. Growing up with parents who worked labor intensive jobs, only interactions I could have outside of family was school.
She's everything I thought she'd be. She's so loud without saying anything.
CPS needs to investigate this woman and how she raises her kids, and this is not a joke because there are so many terrifying red flags here. She seems like an insane control freak that wants to dictate every breath her kids take.
I was homeschooled 3rd grade to the end of high school. It was a pretty isolating experience for me, and my mom wasn’t a qualified teacher. Ended up having to take a bunch of remedial courses once I got to college.
I graduated from faculty of education from my university and am a teacher, being qualified is something very important. There are 100s of methods (active and passive) that you should use depending on the circumstances to make the learning process more efficient and permament for the student. I would home school my kids because my child/ren would learn and i can teach better 1 on 2 or 1 on 1 then they would in school 1 on 30-40 not because "the water is tainted" bullshit.
I was homeshooled too. Had plenty of friends growing up and never struggled in academia.
@Elite My siblings and I were homeschooled. I'm in a PhD program, 2 sisters are doctors, and brother is a PA. Socializing was harder though. You never fit in with kids your age who go to school. You can be friends with them, but you won't fit in.
@@WapitalismandWreedom it’s because you’re rich
@@elite7329 so just like public schools, the experience is different for everyone.
Destiny has got the patience of gods!! Lol. I lost my mind so often listening to this woman
Maybe he wants to cuck kevin sorbo.
I could not imagine missing out on all the experiences I had in public school and college both good and bad
well it’s a transitional experience. I’m sure if you did have a good homeschooling experience, where you weren’t coddled and shielded from other’s opinions, you would have thought the same about public schools
14:37 Her point about how learning to raise your hand somehow correlates to kids being taught 'not to ask questions' is not only incorrect, but an overall ignorant point of view. Teaching kids to raise their hands instead of yelling out randomly whatever comes to mind ensures every voice is heard no matter how quiet and shy one child is, or how loud and arrogant another is. It sets a baseline, and provides an even playing field for every kid in the classroom to have a chance to speak without getting railroaded or sidelined. It also crucially teaches that respect, politeness, and patience will get you further than speaking out of turn and disrupting will. It also promotes better listening skills.
Furthermore it reflects the working and university environment. If your in a meeting you cant just blurt out whatever comes to mind and in a lecture theatre environment you have to raise ur hand because your in a room of potentially 300 other students.
Incredible to hear her explain how her acting school had a paradigm based on her own biases without a hint of irony that her paradigm towards school is also based on her own biases
Hey they’re called positions
did you think you did something there?
@@lambaseded4845 no I don't. But she clearly thinks she did something.
i love how she made sure to call out destiny for saying school instead of college and then proceeded to use both words interchangeably :D
Okay so I'm not going crazy.
I know a few people who went to homeschool and then onto university. I tried it for the last two years in homeschool which made learning easier for me. No other kids interrupting the lessons with dumb pranks or jokes. The caveat is it requires A LOT of discipline. I fell behind on a couple subjects cos my parents still had to work and I was left to my own devices for most days. My social life wasnt impacted at all as we would just chat over MSN messenger and frequently meet up to hangout. Even some kids I met through the homeschooling online portal have become some of my closest friends now in my 30's. There are pro's and con's and I can see how it wont suit everyone probably not even most.
your very much right on the part with discipline. if you have discipline it is 100% for you. most people, especially kids, dont have that. especially a kid with adhd, either homeschooling would be really bad, or really great. its not black and white and everyone is different.