I have NO idea how your channel isn't larger, Nick. It's such a brilliant source of grappling knowledge which is transferable, not just useful in Judo.
BJJ and the Gracies have been doing great marketing for decades. It is a marketing problem. Judo needs to update from a marketing perspective. BJJ has a strong No-Gi and Gi marketing platform. Judo needs a No-Gi discipline. In my opinion, Judo should attach itself to the Luta Livre Revolution.
@@nickyonezuka-cranfordjkc4931 BJJ and the Gracies have been doing great marketing for decades. It is a marketing problem. Judo needs to update from a marketing perspective. BJJ has a strong No-Gi and Gi marketing platform. Judo needs a No-Gi discipline. In my opinion, Judo should attach itself to the Luta Livre Revolution.
This is a top-notch street self-defense move and a classic example of why competition rules water down real martial arts. Practicing it cooperatively and slowly ratcheting it up without becoming competitive is critical to understanding it without anyone getting injured and getting a version of it that can be used out in the real world.
This is one of the techniques we learn in Gracie combative, we are told only do this move if you are prepare to break the arm this not a position you negotiate with an attacker this is a position where you know you are in danger and you realize you need to neutralize the threat
It is possible to control an opponent without breaking the arm if you've been practicing this move assiduously for many years ... just don't count on it.
I love this technique, sometimes the Goshin Jitsu version doesn´t get me as much but is one of the best techniques for self defense in my humble opinion. Thank you for sharing.
Nick I definitely agree I started doing Judo in 87 when I was 9 my sensei and his father told us that move wasn't allowed but I have seen some people in submission tournaments use it
Waki gatame is the “armpit “ armlock. It’s also really effective if you transition into it from juji gatame as well as from kesa gatame. In my opinion, it’s a much more devastating lock when applied straight from juji gatame. Thanks for posting sensei. Go judo! 🥋😎🤙🏾
The best one for me to get out of a situation where a guy grabs you by the collar. Even if you don't grip the wrist enough, you've got the possibility to strike his face with a reverse elbow.
That is a great arm bar that works across jiu jitsu aikido and judo it's one of the best. Thanks for showing it!. I've never broken an arm with that I've used it ... And I fall on the arm. I am really careful. It should be illegal in sport I guess. But as things that work are illegal like this ... Finger locks etc ... They need to just say reality and sport are different I don't know why people pretend it's the same it's totally different I think. Reality ... Very violent anything can happen and there all all sorts of dangers and the main fight is tactical or against a specific power like size numbers or weapons ... Or worse ... Jail! Whatever it is it's not only martial art vs martial art with a ref.
It's in my Jiu Jitsu syllabus. It's a great technique for control and pain compliance. Also if you throw out your right foot over to the left and fall sideways onto your opponents back it's a guaranteed fight ender (we call it Arm and Shoulder Throw).
Aikidoka here. I have used this technique at least three times in real life. Twice to restrain psychiatric patients that were fighting staff at work, and once to hold down a guy that attacked someone in front of me on the street and severely injured him. The guy that attacked someone broke his own arm after several minutes of struggling to escape while I held him for the police. I never had a problem with injuring resisting people during the initial takedown because I maintained control and balance by sinking my torso straight down to a knee first before going to my side. Even though I applied the lock fast and hard I never dropped enough weight onto the elbow to break it.
I got Hansoku-Make in a tournament in 1999 for using Waki-gatame standing, without throwing. At that time 16 years old, I found that Hansoku-Make to be unfair, because I followed the rules (standing armlock was allowed! when not throwing). My opponent was not hurt. I loved this technique to lose a not wanted grip in the neck or if my opponent would block me to getting closer with strait stiff arms (I do not know how to call this in English). Anyway...for self defense it is very effective to control your opponent via pain. Do not need to brake the bone, but it could happen of course. Thanks for demonstrating!
Another excellent video thanks Nick. It was a good decision to ban the technique, a bit too dangerous in competition. I think 'head dive' uchi matas are banned also.
I've been training BJJ for 5 years and like most, suck at takedowns. I'm loving your judo videos - inspiring and educational. thanks! BTW we are taught this but more at the self defense level than in comp classes. Always super controlled as the joint lock is instantly on very tight. I’ve never been told to just drop to the ground and rip the arm off but can now see how devastating that would be especially in self defense.
While I do understand why them Olympic Judoka's got it banned, it should still be taught for self defence. Also, this was an absolute showstopper for folks that stiff-arm you and are stronger than you. Same with a standing 'hangman' armbar, works wonders against strong stiff-armers.
Greetings sensei. What kind of judogi are you wearing? I typically wear the Fushida gi but looking for one that has more fitted sleeves. Keep posting these great videos. Go judo! 🥋😎🤙🏾🙌🏾
There may be lots of aikido haters, but this technique is part of aikido teaching. Also it's you do when the uke doesn't bend his arm when you apply nikyo. The point at 2:40 is part of taking ukemi. It's even acknowledged in aikido as dangerous, and usually when demonstrated the uke is told that this technique is going to be used, so be ready to take ukemi.
There is a variant of this in Aikido. Once you wrap around his arm you move a little bit away with his arm at 45degree from the axis of the body or even from the shoulder's line for that matter (ie: you are facing him at 45 degree). This way he cannot grab your leg and you can safely control him to the ground because you do not have your back turned to him. This is called "hiji kudaki".
This technique is in the curriculum for my blue belt in JuJutsu that I am working on this year. Though, we do not go down to the floor, guess that's why we still use it.
I love this technique sooo much as an aikidoko and BJJ practitioner. Can you do a video on how not to do it ? I tried this a few times in BJJ and could not do it as uke’s grip was so strong and I couldn’t control the elbow ? Last week I enhanced this by sticking by same side foot into uke’s pelvic area, grab uke’s grip hard with two hands and then pull back hard to keep uke occupied and break his posture and then get control of the elbow ? Please comments …thanks
uhm ... reading the title ... nope. i have to admit, i am in grmany, so it may be different over here... but since we follow the IJF guidelines i doubt such a major difference. Armbars from stand to ground position are generally forbidden. That is propably what is meant by the title. Waki-Gatame in the "Groundgame" is still legal (here) and valid and as safe as other armbars.
Thank you for your service to the world of Judo. While I’m not studied on the current rules in IJF, I am familiar with the ban on submissions that are applied during tachi waza and give no opportunity for Uke to tap during the transition to Ne waza. I’ve heard this referred to as “falling” submissions. These falling submissions are exceptionally dangerous to Uke and understandably illegal/banned. I might have missed it, but I didn’t hear any clarification of waki gatame being legal when both Uke and Tori are in Ne waza. I believe the risk is minimized when both are in Ne waza since there is no falling on the joint. Please share your opinion and public clarification since it is distinctly different when applied during tachi waza versus Ne waza. I’m hopeful the ne waza version hasn’t been removed since it is one of my Tokui waza and I’ve never hurt anyone with it, but only applied during Ne waza. I have used the standing version in a self defense situation with great control and no harm to my assailant, though knowing it would be easy to destroy his shoulder and elbow if necessary. It should be the goal of any judoka to use the most gentle techniques to render your opponent incapable of harm not to punish or destroy.
BJJ is an excellent self defense on the ground but I didn't know judo could be so effective in self defense while remaining on your feet. Great learning experience. Keep it up......
I have used this technique to control drunks while working as a bouncer.....instant compliance every time. You can put pressure on the wrist, elbow and shoulder with no effort.
If you don't use it in practice, how you know that you can pull it off against resistance? Better is, TAKE THE ARM with full speed BUT DON'T extend the arm. Not "don't OVERextend the arm", don't extend at all. But take the arm full speed.
Something I always used with no Knowledge of judo and seemed useful and simple, not sure where i picked it up from. always wondered why it was never taught in judo or jiujitsu
I've seen this standing verison of this a arm bar for years and it's illegal in judo competition probly because like your saying it is dangeruos if you don't use control. So it's a self defense move and yes will easy to break the elbow joint and as some teach ,,use control when you train it so you don't damage your partner unless of course you don't like the guy ha ha .!anyway its good self defence stuff keep it up .
Any tips on how to break their posture down to their belly if they're turtled up? I've tried it a couple times from a bjj side control position when they extend their frames a little too much to pull them over. The problem I encountered was that my training partner was able to get on his knees, post on his head and hand fight. I bridged to keep top pressure and prevent a roll and I feel like I might've eventually extended the arm but I gave up on it because I didn't want to crank on something I had little experience in.
I have a newaza version that I don’t think I have posted yet that would help. I don’t seem to get as many views on newaza techniques, so I don’t post them as much but I might
@@nickyonezuka-cranfordjkc4931 Oh that would be awesome, I'll stay posted for that one or any other videos. Love your tachi waza videos as well as ne waza ones!
There is a nice legal version of this as a rolling counter when uke starts on top, head end, reaching in between elbow and knee of Tori. Tori grabs the arm above the elbow, clamps down and exits turtle position in the direct the arm came from. It gets you to that newaza version you showed a couple of times but started from a defensive position..As an aside, one arm break is an accident, three is being a douche against the spirit of judo.... I hope that player got busted up in his time..,
I have NO idea how your channel isn't larger, Nick. It's such a brilliant source of grappling knowledge which is transferable, not just useful in Judo.
Thanks ! Spread the word 👊
Classic Judo will never make it into 100K subs, even Sensei Scott still at 23K after years in UA-cam.
BJJ and the Gracies have been doing great marketing for decades. It is a marketing problem. Judo needs to update from a marketing perspective. BJJ has a strong No-Gi and Gi marketing platform. Judo needs a No-Gi discipline. In my opinion, Judo should attach itself to the Luta Livre Revolution.
@@nickyonezuka-cranfordjkc4931 BJJ and the Gracies have been doing great marketing for decades. It is a marketing problem. Judo needs to update from a marketing perspective. BJJ has a strong No-Gi and Gi marketing platform. Judo needs a No-Gi discipline. In my opinion, Judo should attach itself to the Luta Livre Revolution.
@@AltonCrooks judo needs to go back to touching the legs imo
While it is illegal in competition I appreciate you explaining it to us in detail. You never know what you might need to do to save your life.
This is a top-notch street self-defense move and a classic example of why competition rules water down real martial arts. Practicing it cooperatively and slowly ratcheting it up without becoming competitive is critical to understanding it without anyone getting injured and getting a version of it that can be used out in the real world.
True man this is a great techniques that still is present in Japanse Jiu jitsu where they use more standing grappeling techniques then in BJJ or Judo.
This is one of the techniques we learn in Gracie combative, we are told only do this move if you are prepare to break the arm this not a position you negotiate with an attacker this is a position where you know you are in danger and you realize you need to neutralize the threat
I hope this works
It is possible to control an opponent without breaking the arm if you've been practicing this move assiduously for many years ... just don't count on it.
Just learned this recently in my jujitsu class. My instructor is trained in yoseikan aikido and Machado jujitsu. Thanks for posting
I love this technique, sometimes the Goshin Jitsu version doesn´t get me as much but is one of the best techniques for self defense in my humble opinion. Thank you for sharing.
Nick I definitely agree I started doing Judo in 87 when I was 9 my sensei and his father told us that move wasn't allowed but I have seen some people in submission tournaments use it
Judo is badass. I want to learn it.
Me too!
Seem like the ultimate counter to the stiff arm.
Waki gatame is the “armpit “ armlock. It’s also really effective if you transition into it from juji gatame as well as from kesa gatame.
In my opinion, it’s a much more devastating lock when applied straight from juji gatame. Thanks for posting sensei. Go judo! 🥋😎🤙🏾
The best one for me to get out of a situation where a guy grabs you by the collar. Even if you don't grip the wrist enough, you've got the possibility to strike his face with a reverse elbow.
Love this technique, we do it in aikido class all the time. I can see why it’s illegal
This seems like a great defense against the common "attacker reaches out and grabs your collar/neck/shirt with one arm" scenario.
That is a great arm bar that works across jiu jitsu aikido and judo it's one of the best.
Thanks for showing it!.
I've never broken an arm with that I've used it ... And I fall on the arm.
I am really careful.
It should be illegal in sport I guess.
But as things that work are illegal like this ... Finger locks etc ...
They need to just say reality and sport are different I don't know why people pretend it's the same it's totally different I think.
Reality ... Very violent anything can happen and there all all sorts of dangers and the main fight is tactical or against a specific power like size numbers or weapons ... Or worse ... Jail!
Whatever it is it's not only martial art vs martial art with a ref.
It's in my Jiu Jitsu syllabus. It's a great technique for control and pain compliance. Also if you throw out your right foot over to the left and fall sideways onto your opponents back it's a guaranteed fight ender (we call it Arm and Shoulder Throw).
Exellent. It was one of my very succesfully speciallities between 1977 and 1985.
Aikidoka here. I have used this technique at least three times in real life. Twice to restrain psychiatric patients that were fighting staff at work, and once to hold down a guy that attacked someone in front of me on the street and severely injured him. The guy that attacked someone broke his own arm after several minutes of struggling to escape while I held him for the police.
I never had a problem with injuring resisting people during the initial takedown because I maintained control and balance by sinking my torso straight down to a knee first before going to my side. Even though I applied the lock fast and hard I never dropped enough weight onto the elbow to break it.
You can get this one from someone throwing a bad punch at you too...
I got Hansoku-Make in a tournament in 1999 for using Waki-gatame standing, without throwing. At that time 16 years old, I found that Hansoku-Make to be unfair, because I followed the rules (standing armlock was allowed! when not throwing). My opponent was not hurt.
I loved this technique to lose a not wanted grip in the neck or if my opponent would block me to getting closer with strait stiff arms (I do not know how to call this in English).
Anyway...for self defense it is very effective to control your opponent via pain. Do not need to brake the bone, but it could happen of course.
Thanks for demonstrating!
Nice technique! I’ve never studied judo but I’m interested in self defense applications.
Another excellent video thanks Nick. It was a good decision to ban the technique, a bit too dangerous in competition. I think 'head dive' uchi matas are banned also.
Yep, no head dives
I've been training BJJ for 5 years and like most, suck at takedowns. I'm loving your judo videos - inspiring and educational. thanks! BTW we are taught this but more at the self defense level than in comp classes. Always super controlled as the joint lock is instantly on very tight. I’ve never been told to just drop to the ground and rip the arm off but can now see how devastating that would be especially in self defense.
BJJ have the same techniques but on the ground. Waki gatama and kote gaeshi are more in arts like japanse jiu jitsu and aiki-jiu jitsu.
While I do understand why them Olympic Judoka's got it banned, it should still be taught for self defence.
Also, this was an absolute showstopper for folks that stiff-arm you and are stronger than you.
Same with a standing 'hangman' armbar, works wonders against strong stiff-armers.
I am Jealous on that big mat space :)
Very nice Dojo
Bigger than Sensei Shintaro and Sensei Scott dojo. But it seems as large as Sensei Travis.
been sharing some of you vid to my coach
PLs more no gi jud0
We trying to drill them now
peace
Waki-gatemi is illegal in Shodokan Aikido randori, also. But, it is still taught as part of the syllabus. Aikikai Aikido doesn’t teach it at all.
Greetings sensei. What kind of judogi are you wearing?
I typically wear the Fushida gi but looking for one that has more fitted sleeves. Keep posting these great videos.
Go judo! 🥋😎🤙🏾🙌🏾
Matsuru
There may be lots of aikido haters, but this technique is part of aikido teaching. Also it's you do when the uke doesn't bend his arm when you apply nikyo. The point at 2:40 is part of taking ukemi. It's even acknowledged in aikido as dangerous, and usually when demonstrated the uke is told that this technique is going to be used, so be ready to take ukemi.
The main problem for Aikido is lack of resistance which Daito Ryu still have.
Gracie Combatives teaches it in their curriculum. We always keep it standing instead of dropping to the ground.
There is a variant of this in Aikido. Once you wrap around his arm you move a little bit away with his arm at 45degree from the axis of the body or even from the shoulder's line for that matter (ie: you are facing him at 45 degree). This way he cannot grab your leg and you can safely control him to the ground because you do not have your back turned to him. This is called "hiji kudaki".
This technique is in the curriculum for my blue belt in JuJutsu that I am working on this year. Though, we do not go down to the floor, guess that's why we still use it.
Are the variations in Newaza still legal because of the ability to control the momentum?
Yes
I love this technique sooo much as an aikidoko and BJJ practitioner.
Can you do a video on how not to do it ? I tried this a few times in BJJ and could not do it as uke’s grip was so strong and I couldn’t control the elbow ?
Last week I enhanced this by sticking by same side foot into uke’s pelvic area, grab uke’s grip hard with two hands and then pull back hard to keep uke occupied and break his posture and then get control of the elbow ? Please comments …thanks
I used this lock at combat sambo one of the best techniques ❤
uhm ... reading the title ... nope.
i have to admit, i am in grmany, so it may be different over here... but since we follow the IJF guidelines i doubt such a major difference.
Armbars from stand to ground position are generally forbidden. That is propably what is meant by the title. Waki-Gatame in the "Groundgame" is still legal (here) and valid and as safe as other armbars.
Didn't Peter Seisenbacher used to throw people with uchi mata using waki gatame "grip" in the 1980s, all the way to world championship?
Thank you for your service to the world of Judo. While I’m not studied on the current rules in IJF, I am familiar with the ban on submissions that are applied during tachi waza and give no opportunity for Uke to tap during the transition to Ne waza. I’ve heard this referred to as “falling” submissions. These falling submissions are exceptionally dangerous to Uke and understandably illegal/banned. I might have missed it, but I didn’t hear any clarification of waki gatame being legal when both Uke and Tori are in Ne waza. I believe the risk is minimized when both are in Ne waza since there is no falling on the joint. Please share your opinion and public clarification since it is distinctly different when applied during tachi waza versus Ne waza. I’m hopeful the ne waza version hasn’t been removed since it is one of my Tokui waza and I’ve never hurt anyone with it, but only applied during Ne waza. I have used the standing version in a self defense situation with great control and no harm to my assailant, though knowing it would be easy to destroy his shoulder and elbow if necessary. It should be the goal of any judoka to use the most gentle techniques to render your opponent incapable of harm not to punish or destroy.
You are correct sir, it is legal in newaza. I think I put out a video on this in newaza. If not, it’s coming soon, 😊
BJJ is an excellent self defense on the ground but I didn't know judo could be so effective in self defense while remaining on your feet. Great learning experience. Keep it up......
I have used this technique to control drunks while working as a bouncer.....instant compliance every time. You can put pressure on the wrist, elbow and shoulder with no effort.
Old shool Judo is so powerful
Is it correct to say that would only work on a straight stiff arm?
not really, if you secure the wrist quick enough, you can pull it out to apply this technique
We learn this technique at my dojo, traditional jujitsu
If you don't use it in practice, how you know that you can pull it off against resistance?
Better is, TAKE THE ARM with full speed BUT DON'T extend the arm. Not "don't OVERextend the arm", don't extend at all.
But take the arm full speed.
Something I always used with no Knowledge of judo and seemed useful and simple, not sure where i picked it up from. always wondered why it was never taught in judo or jiujitsu
I suppose that if you pull this off at real time high speed there's no way for the uke to grab that exposed leg or roll out of it ? Correct?
I couldn’t do at real speed or I would hurt Jack
@@nickyonezuka-cranfordjkc4931 Oh of course, I understand. Just wondering if there’s anyway that leg could be taken.
@@acjitsu no way
I've seen this standing verison of this a arm bar for years and it's illegal in judo competition probly because like your saying it is dangeruos if you don't use control. So it's a self defense move and yes will easy to break the elbow joint and as some teach ,,use control when you train it so you don't damage your partner unless of course you don't like the guy ha ha .!anyway its good self defence stuff keep it up .
Great Judo. We cross train Ju Jitsu at our Judo Club and use all the illegal locks. We train for self defense
How do I practice it then ?
Our Hapkido practice this is armpit arm lock pull the hand high step in low
"When I was competing back in the 80's" - You don't look old enough Son
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Any tips on how to break their posture down to their belly if they're turtled up?
I've tried it a couple times from a bjj side control position when they extend their frames a little too much to pull them over. The problem I encountered was that my training partner was able to get on his knees, post on his head and hand fight. I bridged to keep top pressure and prevent a roll and I feel like I might've eventually extended the arm but I gave up on it because I didn't want to crank on something I had little experience in.
I have a newaza version that I don’t think I have posted yet that would help. I don’t seem to get as many views on newaza techniques, so I don’t post them as much but I might
@@nickyonezuka-cranfordjkc4931 Oh that would be awesome, I'll stay posted for that one or any other videos. Love your tachi waza videos as well as ne waza ones!
We do this in Ninjutsu
There is a nice legal version of this as a rolling counter when uke starts on top, head end, reaching in between elbow and knee of Tori. Tori grabs the arm above the elbow, clamps down and exits turtle position in the direct the arm came from. It gets you to that newaza version you showed a couple of times but started from a defensive position..As an aside, one arm break is an accident, three is being a douche against the spirit of judo.... I hope that player got busted up in his time..,
Cool
I like waki gatame in newaza!
in jutaijutsu it wouldn't be illegal, since there are no rules in jutaijutsu, but every bjj clown out there always can't help but lowball jutaijutsu
We did this back in Graci Jiu Jitsu Combatives as self defence. Awesome.
this is aiki-jiu jitsu/ japanese jūjutsu technique ?
Maybe, I just know from Judo
Illegal in Martial Arts but not in Champions League Final....
It think waki gatame is legal in newaza...
It is 👍
I made a video on the no Gi waki Gatame in newaza. Please check it out
AFTER ONE MINUTE IN TO VIDEO NO ACTION ,IM GONE !!!
If done full speed ...ohh😮
Illegal in judo..but totally legal in MMA
I think we will see many malicious small joint technicians in mma in the coming years…
I used this in a street fight and wanted to kick the thug on the face but... people were there.
It works
Love that lock, good for selfdefence thoo…
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Your kinda stuttering in your explanation my friend
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