The age-old argument: (X came before Y) + (Y has some similarities to X) ==> Y MUST BE just a copy-paste from, or forgery of, X. How about the probability of Y and X coming from the same source? Could it be non-zero at least?
of course, that is possible. The source is probably Noah. We indeed find sacrifices in other cultures and religions unrelated to Semitic traditions. It may come from earlier than Sem (in that case, from his father, Noah).
@@BibleQuran We agree then that it may all have come from the same source. The fact that ALL have so many similarities consolidates the possibility that there is a unique sources for all of them somewhere out there. And that source cannot be natural, cause otherwise we would've had many religions today descending from polytheistic Greek or Aztec mythology. The Noah/Abraham thing seems to be special somehow in its capacity to survives for so many thousands of years..
The Hagia sophia was a temple first, then it became a church and then a mosque. But you also need to remember that the Hagia sophia was destroyed twice so the building has been changed.
Which history are you learning from? which temple are you talking about? Hagia sophia was originally built as a Christian basilica. initially, it served as a Greek Orthodox cathedral, later becoming a Roman Catholic cathedral during the Crusades and in 1453, after the Ottoman conquered Constantinople, it was converted into a mosque. And you also need to remember, the Hagia Sophia was destroyed and was rebuilt twice in the Byzantine era, first Hagia Sophia (360 AD) commissioned by Constantius II, second Hagia Sophia (415 AD) rebuilt by Theodosius II, and Third Hagia Sophia (537 AD) rebuilt by Justinian I, this version grand design of Hagia Sophia remains standing today. Ottomans only added a little things, which is four Minarets, Mihrab/Minbar, Removal/covering Christian symbols and a madrasah (Islamic school).
@@geraldnender6248 The structure originally erected on the site of the Hagia Sophia was a Christian cathedral called the Megale Ekklesia, which was commissioned by the first Christian Roman emperor, Constantine I. Prior to that, the site had been home to a pagan temple.
@@jamal9382 "Prior to that, the site had been home to a pagan temple?" Come on. so you're talking about the site now? you're the first that comment about the building "But you also need to remember that the Hagia sophia was destroyed twice so the BUILDING has been changed." stick to the line, amigo. we're talking about the building/structure not the site. Hagia sophia isn't the site, it's the structure. Site is the location or area and its surroundings, Structure is the physical building or construction itself.
@@Igifx-q7e Indeed, but I think, if we know about the truth then we should brave to speak it louder than the lies. if it's not usefull to the people that we debate, at least it will be usefull to the people that hear or read it. I do respect muslims who have integrity to speak the truth though.
Creative power is the distinguishing mark of Divinity. The Spirit of the Lord, through the prophet Jeremiah, describes the vanity of idols, and then continues, “But the Lord is the true God, He is the living God, and an everlasting King: at His wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide His indignation. Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish..allah IS NOT GOD .allah is..the deceiver.. JESUS IS THE CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH .BY HIS FATHER..JOHN 1 : 1' 3. COLOSSIANS1: 15 -16.
Muslims, Jews and Christians in the Arab world refer to God as Allah which is the Arabic word for God. Jesus was created by Allah and he was a Prophet, just like Abraham, Moses and all the rest of the many prophets since Adam, (peace be upon all of them). There is nowhere in the Bible where Jesus (pbuh) said he is God (Allah).
@@yourstruthfully1 allah is Not GOD of the bible .the true prophets of GOD all know JESUS as the SON OF GOD .Abraham has represented GOD in this when he shall sacrify his beloved son isaac .And JESUS said this.John 8 :;56. Moses .isaiah .david . Jeremiah all GODs true prophet .the one you.name prophet mohammed is clearly not a prophet of our GOD and heavenly father .allah and his prophet .The GOD of the bible JESUS CHRISt have no part with them. They came with a other message denying the gospel of JESUS ..In the bible they are identify as the anti christ 1 john 2 ::23. 2 john 2 : 7. In the bible GOD is the great i am who.i am .JAHWEH JEHOVAH THE THE FATHER OF JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD. allah is not a father..The GOD of the bible is a FATHER IN ALL SENSE . AND JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD .JESUS IS DIVINE AS GOD THE FATHER AND JESUS IS AS THEBSAME NATURE AS HIS FATHER..GOD..JOHN1 : 1 - 3. HEBREWS 1 : 3. HEBREWS 1 ; 6 - 8
@@duibheasaoreilly167 thats dumb, in the time of abraham no jews existed .The Torah was handed to Mozes, but the Torah doesnt exist anymore, the only thing you have is the dead sea scrolls, there are written after the death of Mozes.
If it did exist in its current girm Why do they not call God by name yahweh? God is not a father God never taught others before about mecca and kaaba so hajj Blackstone They don't even have the Moses sacrificial system. No sabbath day No circumcision No one Tenth No bread and wine
@@BibleQuran If.you can.do this now becaise you dont have this to explain .we can not lie about the things of GOD. .JESUS IS THE ONLY..WAY .THE WAY WE HAVE IN THE BIBLE THE ONLY WORD OF GOD ..JESUS IS THE WORD HIMSELF .IT IS ALL ABOUT JESUS .CHRIST OUR LORD..JESUS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH KAABA AND SHAHADA THAT ARE FALSE TEACHINGS NOT OF GOD THE FATHER. JOHN 3 : 16 - 18. MARK 16 : 15 - 16.
Islam starts with Mohamed then is claimed for those before right? But to be a Muslim you have to say shahadah not in Quran in it's form and Say Mohamed is his prophet. Did Adam Mosh Enoch Abraham Jacob Moses David Jesus Say that? What can be close to Islam as a word is obedience used in the bible. That makes sense because all submitted or obeyed God. But you want it to appear the Arabic way. Tell us Islam is obedience and all peoples try to obey not use the srabinization
There is no comparison between the Bible and the Quran whatsoever. Luke 1:34-36 34 -Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35- And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. Quran 19:20-21 20- Mary said: “How can a boy be born to me when no man has even touched me, nor have I ever been unchaste?” 21- He said: “So (it will be): Thy Lord saith, ‘that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us’: It is a matter (so) decreed.”
Quran 19:20-21 20- Mary said: “How can a boy be born to me when no man has even touched me, nor have I ever been unchaste?” 21- He said: “So (it will be): Thy Lord saith, ‘that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us’: It is a matter (so) decreed.” Correct. There is only one God and he had no offspring, (of course).
Surah Maryam verse 71 and 72 confirmed all muslims go to hell Muhammad's parents are now in hell Surah An A'nam verse 163 Muhammad declared himself as FIRST muslim meaning all prophets before him are not muslim 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The age-old argument: (X came before Y) + (Y has some similarities to X) ==> Y MUST BE just a copy-paste from, or forgery of, X.
How about the probability of Y and X coming from the same source? Could it be non-zero at least?
of course, that is possible. The source is probably Noah. We indeed find sacrifices in other cultures and religions unrelated to Semitic traditions. It may come from earlier than Sem (in that case, from his father, Noah).
@@BibleQuran
We agree then that it may all have come from the same source. The fact that ALL have so many similarities consolidates the possibility that there is a unique sources for all of them somewhere out there. And that source cannot be natural, cause otherwise we would've had many religions today descending from polytheistic Greek or Aztec mythology. The Noah/Abraham thing seems to be special somehow in its capacity to survives for so many thousands of years..
The Hagia sophia was a temple first, then it became a church and then a mosque. But you also need to remember that the Hagia sophia was destroyed twice so the building has been changed.
Which history are you learning from? which temple are you talking about? Hagia sophia was originally built as a Christian basilica. initially, it served as a Greek Orthodox cathedral, later becoming a Roman Catholic cathedral during the Crusades and in 1453, after the Ottoman conquered Constantinople, it was converted into a mosque. And you also need to remember, the Hagia Sophia was destroyed and was rebuilt twice in the Byzantine era, first Hagia Sophia (360 AD) commissioned by Constantius II, second Hagia Sophia (415 AD) rebuilt by Theodosius II, and Third Hagia Sophia (537 AD) rebuilt by Justinian I, this version grand design of Hagia Sophia remains standing today. Ottomans only added a little things, which is four Minarets, Mihrab/Minbar, Removal/covering Christian symbols and a madrasah (Islamic school).
@@geraldnender6248 Correct, but do not bother debate with muslims. Their whole history is based on converting and lies. They do not matter.
@@geraldnender6248 The structure originally erected on the site of the Hagia Sophia was a Christian cathedral called the Megale Ekklesia, which was commissioned by the first Christian Roman emperor, Constantine I. Prior to that, the site had been home to a pagan temple.
@@jamal9382 "Prior to that, the site had been home to a pagan temple?" Come on. so you're talking about the site now? you're the first that comment about the building "But you also need to remember that the Hagia sophia was destroyed twice so the BUILDING has been changed." stick to the line, amigo. we're talking about the building/structure not the site. Hagia sophia isn't the site, it's the structure. Site is the location or area and its surroundings, Structure is the physical building or construction itself.
@@Igifx-q7e Indeed, but I think, if we know about the truth then we should brave to speak it louder than the lies. if it's not usefull to the people that we debate, at least it will be usefull to the people that hear or read it. I do respect muslims who have integrity to speak the truth though.
Creative power is the distinguishing mark of Divinity. The Spirit of the Lord, through the prophet Jeremiah, describes the vanity of idols, and then continues, “But the Lord is the true God, He is the living God, and an everlasting King: at His wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide His indignation. Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish..allah IS NOT GOD .allah is..the deceiver.. JESUS IS THE CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH .BY HIS FATHER..JOHN 1 : 1' 3. COLOSSIANS1: 15 -16.
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Muslims, Jews and Christians in the Arab world refer to God as Allah which is the Arabic word for God. Jesus was created by Allah and he was a Prophet, just like Abraham, Moses and all the rest of the many prophets since Adam, (peace be upon all of them). There is nowhere in the Bible where Jesus (pbuh) said he is God (Allah).
Your remark is very important; thank you for it. I will come back to it in further episodes. Be sure to subscribe to get them!
@@yourstruthfully1 allah is Not GOD of the bible .the true prophets of GOD all know JESUS as the SON OF GOD .Abraham has represented GOD in this when he shall sacrify his beloved son isaac .And JESUS said this.John 8 :;56. Moses .isaiah .david . Jeremiah all GODs true prophet .the one you.name prophet mohammed is clearly not a prophet of our GOD and heavenly father .allah and his prophet .The GOD of the bible JESUS CHRISt have no part with them.
They came with a other message denying the gospel of JESUS ..In the bible they are identify as the anti christ 1 john 2 ::23. 2 john 2 : 7. In the bible GOD is the great i am who.i am .JAHWEH JEHOVAH THE THE FATHER OF JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD. allah is not a father..The GOD of the bible is a FATHER IN ALL SENSE . AND JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD .JESUS IS DIVINE AS GOD THE FATHER AND JESUS IS AS THEBSAME NATURE AS HIS FATHER..GOD..JOHN1 : 1 - 3. HEBREWS 1 : 3. HEBREWS 1 ; 6 - 8
@@yourstruthfully1 JESUS IS NOT CREATED
JESUS IS THE ONLY ONE NOT CREATED BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD THE FATHER..allah is created by JESUS BY HIS FATHER .
Islam long before Abraham? The religion of the Cavemen, was it ?
@@duibheasaoreilly167 the religion of Adam, noah, Eve etc. They al submitted to one god
@@jamal9382: the Jews did yes.
I don't understand what you want to say. Can you explain?
@@BibleQuran: your claim that the Bible and Quran are contemporaneous is bogus. It's as much a fraud as calling Islam a religion of peace.
@@duibheasaoreilly167 thats dumb, in the time of abraham no jews existed .The Torah was handed to Mozes, but the Torah doesnt exist anymore, the only thing you have is the dead sea scrolls, there are written after the death of Mozes.
Team up with other people before presentation to balance facts
Sure, if someone wants to team up with me, he is most welcome!
If it did exist in its current girm
Why do they not call God by name yahweh?
God is not a father
God never taught others before about mecca and kaaba so hajj Blackstone
They don't even have the Moses sacrificial system.
No sabbath day
No circumcision
No one Tenth
No bread and wine
Be patient, brother. We will cover all those issues in future episodes. Be sure to subscribe to get them!
@@BibleQuran If.you can.do this now becaise you dont have this to explain .we can not lie about the things of GOD. .JESUS IS THE ONLY..WAY .THE WAY WE HAVE IN THE BIBLE THE ONLY WORD OF GOD ..JESUS IS THE WORD HIMSELF .IT IS ALL ABOUT JESUS .CHRIST OUR LORD..JESUS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH KAABA AND SHAHADA THAT ARE FALSE TEACHINGS NOT OF GOD THE FATHER. JOHN 3 : 16 - 18. MARK 16 : 15 - 16.
Islam starts with Mohamed then is claimed for those before right?
But to be a Muslim you have to say shahadah not in Quran in it's form and Say Mohamed is his prophet.
Did
Adam Mosh
Enoch
Abraham
Jacob
Moses
David
Jesus
Say that?
What can be close to Islam as a word is obedience used in the bible.
That makes sense because all submitted or obeyed God.
But you want it to appear the Arabic way.
Tell us Islam is obedience and all peoples try to obey not use the srabinization
TARKAN
The great Jehovah has proclaimed from His throne, “This is My beloved Son.” Matthew 3:17
Ig you are expert then you have to discuss with Dr Zakir Naik..he is expert famous person
Yes, I would love to meet him.
There is no comparison between the Bible and the Quran whatsoever.
Luke 1:34-36
34 -Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
35- And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Quran 19:20-21
20- Mary said: “How can a boy be born to me when no man has even touched me, nor have I ever been unchaste?”
21- He said: “So (it will be): Thy Lord saith, ‘that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us’: It is a matter (so) decreed.”
Quran 19:20-21
20- Mary said: “How can a boy be born to me when no man has even touched me, nor have I ever been unchaste?”
21- He said: “So (it will be): Thy Lord saith, ‘that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us’: It is a matter (so) decreed.”
Correct. There is only one God and he had no offspring, (of course).
I think there are plenty of. Please keep on watching my channel (and others who look for the common ground). You will discover amazing similarities.
@BibleQuran The quran says jesus didn't die, not was he crucified. Clear, so now this is the first article of your faith, and the quran rejected it.
Surah Maryam verse 71 and 72 confirmed all muslims go to hell Muhammad's parents are now in hell
Surah An A'nam verse 163 Muhammad declared himself as FIRST muslim meaning all prophets before him are not muslim 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The sentence begins with verse 162 ("Say"). The content can apply to anyone (and not necessarily to Muhammad).
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Quran is man made not words from allah