Customer - Hello I'm interested in buying some of these wheel of fortunes. Rudy - Sorry not for sale Customer - Ummm okay that's weird... how about these dual lands Rudy - Sorry those aren't for sale either. Customer - Ohhhhh that's a beautiful Ali from Cairo. How mu... Rudy - NOT. FOR. SALE. Customer - What kind of Magic store is this? What is for sale Rudy - Nothing, Timmy. Now get out of my precious. Customer - What did you just say? Rudy - MINE! ALL ARE MINE!!! GET OUT! MY PRECIOUS GET OUT!!!!
_". . . and who puts a store in a basement, anyway? Say, where's the exit, again? And what are these chains? Why am I feeling so light-headed all of a sudden? . . ."_
Why would these keep their value in a, say, 70 year+ time frame? How big is the influx of vintage collectors who were not magic players in the 90s? That is my main concern about this market.
The first buyout occurred back in 1993-ish. It occurred with Chaos Orb, which was a junk rare that became a powerhouse removal card. In the old days, people saw the Orb as a joke card like Kudzu. They would throw it from halfway across the room. One guy developed the technique that you see today, holding the card a foot vertically off the table and target flip-dropping it; he then got a judge he personally knew to state that this flip technique was legally fulfilling the card rules. Then he went out and acquired hundreds of copies while he practiced the accuracy of his technique. Once he was done buying out all the copies he could find in Southern California, he brought the Orb to tournaments, wreaking havoc everywhere. Even though Wizards DCI restricted the card, copies still sold for double digit dollars, about 100x price rise. It helped that Wizards also OOPed the Orb when they OOPed the power nine.
Magic isn't a bubble in the sense that it's going to fade out and become a punchline like Beanie Babies. Unlike Beanie Babies which were only popular due to the investment craze, MTG is a very popular card game, so the brand will survive even after the fad dies out. However, the buyout economy is ABSOLUTELY unsustainable. It's the newest get rich quick scheme on the block, and like all fads that promise to make you rich quick for little to no effort, it won't last. Going back to the Beanie Babies comparison, Craig Berry IS Magic's equivalent of that Utah lady that got rich off Beanie Babies and started the phenomenon, while Rudy is the equivalent of the family who wrote the Beanie Baby handbook.
It would be genius if Rudy bought out almost all reserved list, hold it till old age, then right before he croaks... BURNS ALL OF IT. You only live once, folks.
Rudy is explaining a bubble, but seems not to realize it. This is exactly what happens with real estate from time to time. People who have no interest in the actual property start buying up real estate because there is a dearth of actual productive investments to sink their cash into, which in turn drives up property value across the board until the bubble pops and prices crash. The same thing is going to happen to a lot of these cards that these outsiders are pumping money into. The difference is, magic cards have no inherent value whereas real estate has an actual use even if it is overvalued.
Vanilla I C E, People seem to think prices going up is normal and when they go down they scream the "bubble has popped", I always found it odd. This irrational panic is when millionaires/billionaires are created from cleaning up from irrational fools. That's how Trump made his money. Reality is price goes up and it goes down that is normal. Smart people sit with cash and wait to clean house while the peasants are screaming that it's all over and selling their assets for peanuts. Your cards and real estate have just about the same inherent value if you consider the worst case scenarios. Me and some friends are from countries where we saw the government take peoples homes at will. So no safety of real estate investment is an illusion. You have less control of your property than you do of say, a piece of gold. You are at the mercy of the laws and government, in the end they own the land. You can't pack up your house and leave. Every investment has it's positives and negatives.
zzzz, Yes. Real estate can be a great investment and it has been for a while now in the U.S. Diversification is key in my opinion. I just find many people have this illusion that the real estate is some magically untouchable investment that can only go up. That did not end well for the grandparents of my friend when the government took all their property they worked their whole lives for. They knew it was coming too but you could not just pack your real estate properties in a bag and leave like other more portable investment choices.
it could be a bubble but this looks like hype cycle early investors bailing to me. that said, I am consigning Legends, the Dark and Revised boosters via PWCC next month.
@@silverwolf6866 stopped at how trump made his money. If you calculate for inflation trump has less than what he inherited from his father. There may be some wisdom in your post but bribing in politics and getting facts wrong is an easy way for me an outsider to see which side is bs
I usually don't like the "collection" videos, but this was really interesting! I did the same with a spreadsheet on my MTG investment products, not that there are that many, and it doesn't look as pretty as a bunch of sticky notes, but eh. Thanks for the video.
Awesome vid Rudy. Thanks for all this entertainment. You've also got me playing magic again. All from a youtube algorithm adding you in my suggestions.
Honestly I just use magic to hold all the money I would have spent on weed lol. I definitely prefer being able to have a neat little piece of art with possibilities to make some money in the process.
i find it so retarded magic has a reserve list, thats just a rule to make this retarded craze going. like wtf lmao !!! Oh no cant print those they said no... gtfo !!!
Now I see why I can’t build a competitive edh legacy or modern deck without spending 3k. I find your videos very entertaining and definitely understand your point of view. That being said, it’s extremely unfortunate that I will never be able to play the game I love to the fullest because of this crap. unless I get proxy cards that is.
Lassi Kinnunen The creator of the game has specifically stated otherwise, and the majority of magic players think it is currently to expensive. I understand that this debate will never get resolved so I will respectfully disagree that a person should have to “buy in” to playing mtg for thousands upon thousands of dollars.
Lassi never said it that it should be that way, rather than it is that way. And it's true that it's designed for the MTG economy to be this absurd. The blind eye WotC turns to the secondary market means that all sorts of shit, that would be legally questionable at best were these not playing cards, can happen unchecked. You can dislike the people that do it if it makes you feel better but the only way it's resolved is if the system is fixed.
Card Games the original p2w games. When you get into card Games you have to except this its designed to do this. If you want a "full" experience you can play the electronic games.
I don't play. I just like opening packs. If something I pulled becomes worth it down the road, yay. From my point of view I'm already getting the value out of them.
my uncle got into magic right at the beginning. at his wedding he let me look through his pile of cards.. full p9. tons of old stuff. like 20 of everything in urzas block. made me so jealous I almost stole some but didn't. he ended up giving me a couple of his big pile of mana crypts later.
reminds me of this time where i was perma banned from an mmo for monopolizing social pets ingame. Buying out all the stock at the prices players were setting and reselling for 100x the price and rolling in huge profit, never had to put effort into traditional ingame farming.
Keeping up to date on bannings and Tier 1 decklists allows an investor to determine demand for a card. Demand is 1/2 the value of every Magic card. Supply is the other 1/2.
Apparently I got my NM/M Wheel of Fortune 3rd Edition for $17.00 Canadian in 2014, receipt is still in my email account. $160 USD now. Noted, did not know if had jumped so high.
Great video! Anyone here who complains, if you open packs and sell any of your cards you are just as much to blame for taking cards out of the market. If you have never sold you can pontificate. If not for investors the prices would never have amounted to much and you wouldn’t see people buying booster boxes to crack open to sell off. Magic wouldn’t exist today without this. Wizards knows how important the collectors and investors are, or they’d get rid of the reserve list and reprint everything.
I started playing EDH right went the format was introduced by judges. I have been playing since 1996 and thought it was cool that I could have a format to use those cards again AND still be able to play with new players because of the singleton restriction. I have been doing this for many years. MTG turned into an unregulated stock market and you can avoid taxes. After TCG the manipulation was super easy to do. Classic pump and dump. So I recognized how much of what I was doing was similar to the stock market trading......I'm now learning how to trade stocks.
Rudy, where collections go to die. He's like an elephant graveyard for cardboard nerd lore. He's like a mythical paper unicorn who eats collectibles and poops rainbows upon UA-cam. He's like Magics own Chewbacca of the Reserve list, tall and furry but speaks just a bit better english than the original. You be you... you crazy magical rainbow wolf. I'll keep watching.
Uh, how old are we talking about when it concerns warping? I've opened booster boxes of The Dark and had some warped cards. They don't make a popping noise like that, but they're warped!
I can`t say anything about investing in MTG... But we can see that Wizards finally fully realized how online card games are a huge success and that they have a great one in their hands (probably the best) and that its online version should have been already the most played one all over the world, not just by its quality but also for it`s time on the streets, and now they are really trying to push online gaming (magic arena) instead of investing in the cheap ones (every year duel of planeswalker 201..). Of course I know that real cards still hugely popular with all the events and all the people playing... but as for me, being a very naive person in MTG investiment, it wouldn`t be a surprise if the online gaming succeeded really well and consequently dropped sharply the prices of real cards. We would still have those priceless jewels, but most of today`s expensive cards maybe wouldn`t be worth anything in a future not so far from now.
00Brun2, MTG is going to fail online and fail hard. I have played it and games like hearthstone that were designed specifically for online play and are not only fun to play but fun to watch as well. MTG is not designed for online play and is boring as hell to watch. It won't attract new players as the the game is so complicated after decades of new mechanics it will be a huge turn off. They see the potential money and are foolishly pushing forward when there is no way they can compete in that space with their product. They need to stick to their niche and improve on it.
@Silver Wolf : MTG Arena is actually finally a good digital product. Naturally the conversion of paper Magic to digital Magic is really difficult as the game was never designed with digital in mind, but Arena is about to crack it. If they pull off the mobile mode then we have a winner at hand. MtG Arena will not reach the numbers of Hearthstone, simply because the WarCraft brand is so much bigger and way more main stream than Magic. Still it will establish itself in the market and become profitable and growing and this will be absolutely sufficient.
I just love opening packs bought and Ixalan box today only got 2 mythics got a foil search for azcanta and a vrascas cont. in the same booster feels good man
Wow you brought up that metal gear solid sound when a guard would see you. Man what a good game that was. I just found the copy I use to play with my Brother. It still plays 😎
It's very intriguing hearing these stories about trading mtg cards. I have been playing the market in various mmo:s, and I think that translates very well to trading collectables like mtg cards. Sometimes I really want to start collect/investing/trading. Something physcial, more tangible than different funds. Well, that said, I guess im better off watching your videos. That said, keep it up man, good entertainment.
This kind of activity does make me worry about a bubble. If a lot of those type of people sell at once it will really test market depth. People will really start to get nervous if card prices start going down to or past the price they originally paid especially if they bought high.
Mentally Hilarious, I don't get why people use the word bubble to create irrational fear. Assets/investments go up in price and down in price. Nothing goes in one direction forever. Just because it goes down does not mean you were in a bubble. If this is your logic why you are in a bubble and then the entire stock market is in a "bubble" for centuries.
Silver Wolf you're correct there will always be slight deviations in the height and depth of a price on any investment. Problem is is people get nervous when the price of something starts dropping and the Illinois formed where their start selling out or the well-informed will realize that now is the time to sell it. So what happens is they will talk up a card and I'll get the price on the bottom out as many as I can and watch the price climb climb climb. Will they see a peak I think that most these bandwagon jumpers that start buying up cards in the wake of another buyout to ride this wave height don't see. So when they hit that Peak they will start dropping these cards they will start selling them out. They will get rid of them as quickly as they got. Why because it is called a large short-term return on investment. They don't care about you I don't care about anyone else and how much they're going to make or lose. And what happens is by time you've reacted to them selling their collection you have already lost your ass. This is actually intentionally creating a bubble to operate in that makes them more money. You on the other hand short-sighted on this endeavor so to speak. Ask anyone who actually invest into real stocks they will tell you if you are not one of the first you might as well not even bother. If you're not on the ground floor of something as it's going up you've already lost money in that investment and you have to factor that into your your win-loss game where did it start at and where did you pick up at 4 you and I lost that much money
i don't know if these matter. Rudy, since you're a fan of Royal Assassin, I have a 2 FBB Chinese and 2 FBB Japanese. I want to say they are 4th edition. With some prices for Sol Ring (German Revised FWB [20] or FBB [80]) and Vesuvian Doppelganger (German Revised FBB tops at 80), you think the reserve list or desirable cards in foreign languages are worth less because they likely have a Higher Print run or do you see them being more desirable to people who just start investing? I've been able to find some reserve list FBB and FWB LP cards for almost 20-40% off there English Counter Part. For instance I paid 18 bucks for 2 NM to LP German Revised FWB Sonnenring. On the other hand I have seen some FBB cards are more desirable like Japanese Commander Sol Rings, I've seen hit 5 bucks.
oh my gosh Rudy is the freaking man he is single-handedly trying to get every card that is playable out of circulation in anticipation of a huge rush of new players and mainstream Magic the Gathering tournaments taking place thus making Rudy and instant millionaire wow creepy isn't the word , shall I say genius
Yea it's totally a thing. Five years ago, I bought a bunch of alpha/beta fireball cards because I liked them. They were maybe $10-$15 a piece then. I looked at the BiN prices they have now and I was blown away. I hate Magic for that reason, but man does the old stuff pay off.
It’s kind of like this back in the day what I would do is I would buy four sets of every single card and I did that all the way up to Ice Age that’s when I figured homelands and everything ruined magic. I ended up going and doing my life kind of situations on my cards were thrown away or different things I only have a little bit of what I used to have. The moral of the story is it’s important because I remember when I put together in one of my legend sets! I ended up selling it for a lot more than I got it for but just think of it now 15 years ago or whatever it was right around $1000 or so It’s right around $17-$20,000. Pay attention Rudy is totally right!!
Hey rudy, i been a gamer my whole life and collected baseball cards from the late 80s to the 90s but never played magic, u have got me very interested watching your videos, u have any advice for me trying to start playing?
even as a kid I sucked at playing but loved the cards so I collected them,not because they would be worth anything.i just like collecting things,i have very low intrest in selling them if I get them because I just want them,if the price goes up its just cool to know I have something valuable but id probably never flip cards or comics,its to much work and I just enjoy hunting things I grew up with or were around the time I was younger,i don't think that's a bad thing people can enjoy the same thing for many different reasons but with that said its people buying every single one online that's making prices go up,for an average guy,just one is good enough also it doesn't help when theres a million videos telling people the next hottest thing,get it now while its still affordable cause its gonna go up bla bla bla,its a herd mentality,once everyones talking about it,its already going up in price and all you need is one person to say theres a movie coming out,this book is gonna be hot once it airs so you better get it now and everyones gonna go rushing to ebay to see how much they can afford,its not rocket science,its hype and for what its worth I think its a good thing for people to be interested,its when everyone loses interest completely that's scary because once you have no market for it,its all done,on to the next new thing,specially this day and age and then all you got is old pieces of paper that hold sentimental value which is fine too,if that's really what you care about then it shouldn't matter but cmon nobody shakes getting a pack fresh black lotus because its all about the nostalgia,sure theres an element of that but deep down your like omg I got a 30,000 or whtever it is now dollar card or something only 500 copys were made how cool is that,if that weren't true youd see a lot more people buying commons lol alright im done peace to everyone,just don't forget to have fun
This makes me sad. I love playing the game. The investment vehichal makes it alot harder to do that. I started proxing for alot of my commander stuff since it has just skyrocketed. Makes me sad, i used to play vintage and sold out during my divorce in 2008. Now i have no hope of ever getting back into the format. Lesigh.
As someone who trades(stock) I can’t even fathom investing in this...it’s so nerve racking to me! That sounds odd...but seriously this seems riskier than the market
Hey, you need all of those lakes? I don't think you need all those lakes. I can take one off your hands. You know, to lighten your load, as a favor, from me to you. One less buylist in 40 years when you're building your retirement fund. Free of charge.
I'll just stick to buying a decent amount of cards at every release and play with my investment and leave the speculation for the people with the time, energy and money to do so.
Do you ever worry that all the money u have tied up in these old cards will just vanish? I am not saying that magic is dying or going anywhere but when is the optimal time to sell vs the amount invested what is the ceiling or the floor?
So when this guy made his post it note tracker thing, why did he decide to use different handwriting on a bunch of them? Seems he has like 4-5 styles of writing there......
I don't see any issue with people investing in MTG cards. People need to diversify investments. Sure maybe they can't all spread it out to more conventional investments such as commodities or stocks or even things such as art. MTG to me would appeal to people who invest in collectables whether they collect signs, antique toys or anything else of that nature except magic cards are infinitely easier to store. Just get a safety deposit box or two and sit on them for years if you want.
I believe that once it becomes that expensive, he will be able to sell a single card for the price of todays' 1000 cards to some Rich collector. It would be so cool if he bought out entire market.
Orange Juice I think you are missing the point - his buyer market shrinks as supply dries up and prices increase. At some point, this market crashes. It isn’t sustainable. Period.
I'm gonna laugh they day wizards gets desperate and burns the reserve list for some quick money and revenue increase before selling the company. The amount of tears that will flood out of the hoarders will do more damage to supply than than their previous efforts to remove things from the market ever did.
"Do you play magic the gathering?"
"Which one? The card or the market game?"
collecting, trading, building, and piloting miniature artwork is a very layered game.
Magic the gathering or Gathering magic cards?
I still don't understand why I watch your videos when I have absolutely no interest in Magic the gathering.
HOLY CR*P seeing this Jan 2021 - imagine if that guy had stayed the course!
Customer - Hello I'm interested in buying some of these wheel of fortunes.
Rudy - Sorry not for sale
Customer - Ummm okay that's weird... how about these dual lands
Rudy - Sorry those aren't for sale either.
Customer - Ohhhhh that's a beautiful Ali from Cairo. How mu...
Rudy - NOT. FOR. SALE.
Customer - What kind of Magic store is this? What is for sale
Rudy - Nothing, Timmy. Now get out of my precious.
Customer - What did you just say?
Rudy - MINE! ALL ARE MINE!!! GET OUT! MY PRECIOUS GET OUT!!!!
_". . . and who puts a store in a basement, anyway? Say, where's the exit, again? And what are these chains? Why am I feeling so light-headed all of a sudden? . . ."_
Circa when-everyone-tries-to-dump-at-the-same-time, there will be thousands for sale on eBay
Only because of the reserve list its safe to invest in them.
....these Fallen Empires booster boxes are for sale....also these Theros fat packs.
Layout inspired by winning Solitaire in Windows 95?
Or when Windows 95 crashes.
Why would these keep their value in a, say, 70 year+ time frame? How big is the influx of vintage collectors who were not magic players in the 90s? That is my main concern about this market.
You right bro
The first buyout occurred back in 1993-ish. It occurred with Chaos Orb, which was a junk rare that became a powerhouse removal card. In the old days, people saw the Orb as a joke card like Kudzu. They would throw it from halfway across the room. One guy developed the technique that you see today, holding the card a foot vertically off the table and target flip-dropping it; he then got a judge he personally knew to state that this flip technique was legally fulfilling the card rules. Then he went out and acquired hundreds of copies while he practiced the accuracy of his technique. Once he was done buying out all the copies he could find in Southern California, he brought the Orb to tournaments, wreaking havoc everywhere. Even though Wizards DCI restricted the card, copies still sold for double digit dollars, about 100x price rise. It helped that Wizards also OOPed the Orb when they OOPed the power nine.
Magic isn't a bubble in the sense that it's going to fade out and become a punchline like Beanie Babies. Unlike Beanie Babies which were only popular due to the investment craze, MTG is a very popular card game, so the brand will survive even after the fad dies out.
However, the buyout economy is ABSOLUTELY unsustainable. It's the newest get rich quick scheme on the block, and like all fads that promise to make you rich quick for little to no effort, it won't last.
Going back to the Beanie Babies comparison, Craig Berry IS Magic's equivalent of that Utah lady that got rich off Beanie Babies and started the phenomenon, while Rudy is the equivalent of the family who wrote the Beanie Baby handbook.
Rudy, did you ever worried that these cards become Spanish real estate one day?
It would be genius if Rudy bought out almost all reserved list, hold it till old age, then right before he croaks... BURNS ALL OF IT.
You only live once, folks.
Rudy is explaining a bubble, but seems not to realize it. This is exactly what happens with real estate from time to time. People who have no interest in the actual property start buying up real estate because there is a dearth of actual productive investments to sink their cash into, which in turn drives up property value across the board until the bubble pops and prices crash. The same thing is going to happen to a lot of these cards that these outsiders are pumping money into. The difference is, magic cards have no inherent value whereas real estate has an actual use even if it is overvalued.
Vanilla I C E, People seem to think prices going up is normal and when they go down they scream the "bubble has popped", I always found it odd. This irrational panic is when millionaires/billionaires are created from cleaning up from irrational fools. That's how Trump made his money. Reality is price goes up and it goes down that is normal. Smart people sit with cash and wait to clean house while the peasants are screaming that it's all over and selling their assets for peanuts.
Your cards and real estate have just about the same inherent value if you consider the worst case scenarios. Me and some friends are from countries where we saw the government take peoples homes at will. So no safety of real estate investment is an illusion. You have less control of your property than you do of say, a piece of gold. You are at the mercy of the laws and government, in the end they own the land. You can't pack up your house and leave. Every investment has it's positives and negatives.
zzzz, Yes. Real estate can be a great investment and it has been for a while now in the U.S. Diversification is key in my opinion. I just find many people have this illusion that the real estate is some magically untouchable investment that can only go up. That did not end well for the grandparents of my friend when the government took all their property they worked their whole lives for. They knew it was coming too but you could not just pack your real estate properties in a bag and leave like other more portable investment choices.
it could be a bubble but this looks like hype cycle early investors bailing to me. that said, I am consigning Legends, the Dark and Revised boosters via PWCC next month.
Wrong... the 07 crash for America wqs gov designed as the current and soon to pop bubble in Australian real estate.
@@silverwolf6866 stopped at how trump made his money. If you calculate for inflation trump has less than what he inherited from his father. There may be some wisdom in your post but bribing in politics and getting facts wrong is an easy way for me an outsider to see which side is bs
From the thumbnail I thought someone made an MTG Solitaire
Cool to see you here Brofessor Oak!
Verlisify 5 suits/colors... Interesting
OH BUT THEY DID
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Funny to come back to this in 2021 where Tolarian Academy and Wheel of Fortune are $250+ and Yogmoth's Bargain is around $25.
I usually don't like the "collection" videos, but this was really interesting! I did the same with a spreadsheet on my MTG investment products, not that there are that many, and it doesn't look as pretty as a bunch of sticky notes, but eh. Thanks for the video.
Awesome vid Rudy. Thanks for all this entertainment. You've also got me playing magic again. All from a youtube algorithm adding you in my suggestions.
*Any card older than seventh edition*
Rudy: IT"S NOT FOR SALE
Honestly I just use magic to hold all the money I would have spent on weed lol. I definitely prefer being able to have a neat little piece of art with possibilities to make some money in the process.
I bought as many parallel lives as I could years ago I think it was around a dollar or 2 then now it seems to have grown in value
Why does he even own a store? it's more like a card cemetery...
i find it so retarded magic has a reserve list, thats just a rule to make this retarded craze going. like wtf lmao !!! Oh no cant print those they said no... gtfo !!!
sam dunn imagine if his store burns down
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Thanks for another great video Ruddy. I really enjoy them.
Now I see why I can’t build a competitive edh legacy or modern deck without spending 3k. I find your videos very entertaining and definitely understand your point of view. That being said, it’s extremely unfortunate that I will never be able to play the game I love to the fullest because of this crap. unless I get proxy cards that is.
you cant play magic to the fullest because of a moneyhungry f*ck that doesnt know the play value of fetch and ping lands. Preach
Lassi Kinnunen The creator of the game has specifically stated otherwise, and the majority of magic players think it is currently to expensive. I understand that this debate will never get resolved so I will respectfully disagree that a person should have to “buy in” to playing mtg for thousands upon thousands of dollars.
Lassi never said it that it should be that way, rather than it is that way. And it's true that it's designed for the MTG economy to be this absurd. The blind eye WotC turns to the secondary market means that all sorts of shit, that would be legally questionable at best were these not playing cards, can happen unchecked. You can dislike the people that do it if it makes you feel better but the only way it's resolved is if the system is fixed.
Well said.
Card Games the original p2w games. When you get into card Games you have to except this its designed to do this. If you want a "full" experience you can play the electronic games.
I don't play. I just like opening packs. If something I pulled becomes worth it down the road, yay. From my point of view I'm already getting the value out of them.
sitting in a damp basement, got stack of my old commons like that
my uncle got into magic right at the beginning. at his wedding he let me look through his pile of cards.. full p9. tons of old stuff. like 20 of everything in urzas block. made me so jealous I almost stole some but didn't. he ended up giving me a couple of his big pile of mana crypts later.
reminds me of this time where i was perma banned from an mmo for monopolizing social pets ingame. Buying out all the stock at the prices players were setting and reselling for 100x the price and rolling in huge profit, never had to put effort into traditional ingame farming.
Keeping up to date on bannings and Tier 1 decklists allows an investor to determine demand for a card. Demand is 1/2 the value of every Magic card. Supply is the other 1/2.
11:52 "I think it's a Pokemon card". Haha, yeah it's a Consecrated Pokemon Sphinx from Kaladeshmon, a Pokemon special set.
Apparently I got my NM/M Wheel of Fortune 3rd Edition for $17.00 Canadian in 2014, receipt is still in my email account. $160 USD now. Noted, did not know if had jumped so high.
Not a pokemon card it was consecrated sphinx from amonkhet
Great video! Anyone here who complains, if you open packs and sell any of your cards you are just as much to blame for taking cards out of the market. If you have never sold you can pontificate. If not for investors the prices would never have amounted to much and you wouldn’t see people buying booster boxes to crack open to sell off. Magic wouldn’t exist today without this. Wizards knows how important the collectors and investors are, or they’d get rid of the reserve list and reprint everything.
Seems like people will speculate on anything. Even the shiny Pokémon cards are going up lately!
MTG Unpacked and will keep going up
Also seems to me people who want to speculate, Rudy included, should learn a format or two
GOOOOOOT EMMMMM
MTG Unpacked is just mad new Magic cards are worthless while pokemon cards aren't. lol
That’s sheet of sticky notes is cool. It feels like getting that rare chance to look inside the mind of another person.
I started playing EDH right went the format was introduced by judges. I have been playing since 1996 and thought it was cool that I could have a format to use those cards again AND still be able to play with new players because of the singleton restriction. I have been doing this for many years. MTG turned into an unregulated stock market and you can avoid taxes. After TCG the manipulation was super easy to do. Classic pump and dump. So I recognized how much of what I was doing was similar to the stock market trading......I'm now learning how to trade stocks.
Casually scrolling past 3 alpha Sol Ring! Not a big deal. This guy got ripped!
I've taken my brown lotus of the reserve list its nice and fresh and its never been played with just looking for offers.
Rudy, can you do a video on what makes a good buyout card? Playability, art, set, reserve list ETC. TY
Bazaar of Baghdad
Rudy, where collections go to die. He's like an elephant graveyard for cardboard nerd lore. He's like a mythical paper unicorn who eats collectibles and poops rainbows upon UA-cam. He's like Magics own Chewbacca of the Reserve list, tall and furry but speaks just a bit better english than the original.
You be you... you crazy magical rainbow wolf. I'll keep watching.
I did something similar with Nether good in the past few years but now I wish I had bought way more. They used to be $50-$60 just a few years ago
Buying out restricted cards that aren't P9 seems like capital that'd be better served producing dividends.
Scott Neibarger Any ABU and 4 horseman cards are worth investing in.
Chris Kimbrel, nonsense.
Learned more from this video than I did k-12
Love your videoes, where you show collections you bought :)
The foreign Yawgmoth's Bargain will probably be harder to come by than the English Version from a rarity standpoint.
We all start some where.
(RUDY, do you have *any* of that stack of Shocklands? A big bulk buy like that would be nice to do.)
That smudging of the cards at the end, made them all light play. gg
Sorry about the Ravnica spoilers, must have been a shock.
Green screen starts at 3:50.
x amount of players get triggered at...
Yawgmoth's Bargain exploded in value right after this lol
Uh, how old are we talking about when it concerns warping? I've opened booster boxes of The Dark and had some warped cards. They don't make a popping noise like that, but they're warped!
Watching this in 2021 hits different
I can`t say anything about investing in MTG... But we can see that Wizards finally fully realized how online card games are a huge success and that they have a great one in their hands (probably the best) and that its online version should have been already the most played one all over the world, not just by its quality but also for it`s time on the streets, and now they are really trying to push online gaming (magic arena) instead of investing in the cheap ones (every year duel of planeswalker 201..). Of course I know that real cards still hugely popular with all the events and all the people playing... but as for me, being a very naive person in MTG investiment, it wouldn`t be a surprise if the online gaming succeeded really well and consequently dropped sharply the prices of real cards. We would still have those priceless jewels, but most of today`s expensive cards maybe wouldn`t be worth anything in a future not so far from now.
00Brun2, MTG is going to fail online and fail hard. I have played it and games like hearthstone that were designed specifically for online play and are not only fun to play but fun to watch as well. MTG is not designed for online play and is boring as hell to watch. It won't attract new players as the the game is so complicated after decades of new mechanics it will be a huge turn off. They see the potential money and are foolishly pushing forward when there is no way they can compete in that space with their product. They need to stick to their niche and improve on it.
@Silver Wolf :
MTG Arena is actually finally a good digital product. Naturally the conversion of paper Magic to digital Magic is really difficult as the game was never designed with digital in mind, but Arena is about to crack it.
If they pull off the mobile mode then we have a winner at hand. MtG Arena will not reach the numbers of Hearthstone, simply because the WarCraft brand is so much bigger and way more main stream than Magic. Still it will establish itself in the market and become profitable and growing and this will be absolutely sufficient.
I just love opening packs
bought and Ixalan box today only got 2 mythics
got a foil search for azcanta and a vrascas cont. in the same booster feels good man
smart approach and cool cards
Wow you brought up that metal gear solid sound when a guard would see you. Man what a good game that was. I just found the copy I use to play with my Brother. It still plays 😎
The way those yawg bargains look stacked up like that is wonderful
such a sophisticated filing system
Rudy I'd be interested in some Wheel of Fortunes. Are they going to be listed on Ebay at all? Please let me know. Thanks!
Rudy, would you say this “rush” for magic investment or even card investments as a whole is currently bringing the value of the cards up now?
Had myself a good stock of multiple rares beyond the basic playset.
Right now HODLing on them until they moon.
if you buy something as an investment the best reason to sell is when you find a better investment.
It's very intriguing hearing these stories about trading mtg cards. I have been playing the market in various mmo:s, and I think that translates very well to trading collectables like mtg cards. Sometimes I really want to start collect/investing/trading. Something physcial, more tangible than different funds. Well, that said, I guess im better off watching your videos. That said, keep it up man, good entertainment.
This kind of activity does make me worry about a bubble. If a lot of those type of people sell at once it will really test market depth. People will really start to get nervous if card prices start going down to or past the price they originally paid especially if they bought high.
Mentally Hilarious, I don't get why people use the word bubble to create irrational fear. Assets/investments go up in price and down in price. Nothing goes in one direction forever. Just because it goes down does not mean you were in a bubble. If this is your logic why you are in a bubble and then the entire stock market is in a "bubble" for centuries.
Silver Wolf you're correct there will always be slight deviations in the height and depth of a price on any investment. Problem is is people get nervous when the price of something starts dropping and the Illinois formed where their start selling out or the well-informed will realize that now is the time to sell it. So what happens is they will talk up a card and I'll get the price on the bottom out as many as I can and watch the price climb climb climb. Will they see a peak I think that most these bandwagon jumpers that start buying up cards in the wake of another buyout to ride this wave height don't see. So when they hit that Peak they will start dropping these cards they will start selling them out. They will get rid of them as quickly as they got. Why because it is called a large short-term return on investment. They don't care about you I don't care about anyone else and how much they're going to make or lose. And what happens is by time you've reacted to them selling their collection you have already lost your ass. This is actually intentionally creating a bubble to operate in that makes them more money. You on the other hand short-sighted on this endeavor so to speak. Ask anyone who actually invest into real stocks they will tell you if you are not one of the first you might as well not even bother. If you're not on the ground floor of something as it's going up you've already lost money in that investment and you have to factor that into your your win-loss game where did it start at and where did you pick up at 4 you and I lost that much money
i don't know if these matter. Rudy, since you're a fan of Royal Assassin, I have a 2 FBB Chinese and 2 FBB Japanese. I want to say they are 4th edition. With some prices for Sol Ring (German Revised FWB [20] or FBB [80]) and Vesuvian Doppelganger (German Revised FBB tops at 80), you think the reserve list or desirable cards in foreign languages are worth less because they likely have a Higher Print run or do you see them being more desirable to people who just start investing? I've been able to find some reserve list FBB and FWB LP cards for almost 20-40% off there English Counter Part. For instance I paid 18 bucks for 2 NM to LP German Revised FWB Sonnenring. On the other hand I have seen some FBB cards are more desirable like Japanese Commander Sol Rings, I've seen hit 5 bucks.
oh my gosh Rudy is the freaking man he is single-handedly trying to get every card that is playable out of circulation in anticipation of a huge rush of new players and mainstream Magic the Gathering tournaments taking place thus making Rudy and instant millionaire wow creepy isn't the word , shall I say genius
I'll probably hop on those shocklands Rudy if you still have them
Yea it's totally a thing. Five years ago, I bought a bunch of alpha/beta fireball cards because I liked them. They were maybe $10-$15 a piece then. I looked at the BiN prices they have now and I was blown away. I hate Magic for that reason, but man does the old stuff pay off.
It’s kind of like this back in the day what I would do is I would buy four sets of every single card and I did that all the way up to Ice Age that’s when I figured homelands and everything ruined magic. I ended up going and doing my life kind of situations on my cards were thrown away or different things I only have a little bit of what I used to have. The moral of the story is it’s important because I remember when I put together in one of my legend sets! I ended up selling it for a lot more than I got it for but just think of it now 15 years ago or whatever it was right around $1000 or so It’s right around $17-$20,000. Pay attention Rudy is totally right!!
Found my new ringtone @7:27.
Those MTG cards are comin' right for me!!
Hey rudy, i been a gamer my whole life and collected baseball cards from the late 80s to the 90s but never played magic, u have got me very interested watching your videos, u have any advice for me trying to start playing?
This guy doesn't play. He just buys all he can and holds them to artificially drive the price up.
Had to look at prices, and the Wheel of Fortune I got for ONE dollar is looking nice.
even as a kid I sucked at playing but loved the cards so I collected them,not because they would be worth anything.i just like collecting things,i have very low intrest in selling them if I get them because I just want them,if the price goes up its just cool to know I have something valuable but id probably never flip cards or comics,its to much work and I just enjoy hunting things I grew up with or were around the time I was younger,i don't think that's a bad thing people can enjoy the same thing for many different reasons but with that said its people buying every single one online that's making prices go up,for an average guy,just one is good enough
also it doesn't help when theres a million videos telling people the next hottest thing,get it now while its still affordable cause its gonna go up bla bla bla,its a herd mentality,once everyones talking about it,its already going up in price and all you need is one person to say theres a movie coming out,this book is gonna be hot once it airs so you better get it now and everyones gonna go rushing to ebay to see how much they can afford,its not rocket science,its hype and for what its worth I think its a good thing for people to be interested,its when everyone loses interest completely that's scary because once you have no market for it,its all done,on to the next new thing,specially this day and age and then all you got is old pieces of paper that hold sentimental value which is fine too,if that's really what you care about then it shouldn't matter but cmon nobody shakes getting a pack fresh black lotus because its all about the nostalgia,sure theres an element of that but deep down your like omg I got a 30,000 or whtever it is now dollar card or something only 500 copys were made how cool is that,if that weren't true youd see a lot more people buying commons lol alright im done peace to everyone,just don't forget to have fun
This makes me sad. I love playing the game. The investment vehichal makes it alot harder to do that. I started proxing for alot of my commander stuff since it has just skyrocketed.
Makes me sad, i used to play vintage and sold out during my divorce in 2008. Now i have no hope of ever getting back into the format. Lesigh.
As someone who trades(stock) I can’t even fathom investing in this...it’s so nerve racking to me! That sounds odd...but seriously this seems riskier than the market
Revised wheel of fortune sitting at $250... good investment
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Hey, you need all of those lakes? I don't think you need all those lakes. I can take one off your hands. You know, to lighten your load, as a favor, from me to you. One less buylist in 40 years when you're building your retirement fund. Free of charge.
Looking at the thumbnail I feel like I just won at solitaire on Windows 95.
Rudy should play more MTG 😂
I believe that it's really bad for MTG cards to cost so much. It makes playing the game basically impossible.
Where is Rudy?!? No GP orlando
At first I thought the thumbnail was made up not actual footage... xD
I'll just stick to buying a decent amount of cards at every release and play with my investment and leave the speculation for the people with the time, energy and money to do so.
I have over 500 plus unlimited lands I bought in 2010 for 10 bucks
I need those hallowed fountains!!
Do you ever worry that all the money u have tied up in these old cards will just vanish? I am not saying that magic is dying or going anywhere but when is the optimal time to sell vs the amount invested what is the ceiling or the floor?
Those BO will eventually kill the game and the prices will collapse...
What if you had a giveaway for a couple of those unwanted cards? It might bring some much deserved love and attention to the channel
Pretty sure Rudy has said he don't believe in giveaways. A good channel will grow from the content itself.
oh, my bad. I never saw that, he's got a good point though.
Rudy how about an international patreon option
I was going to write a deep comment...but it was OUT MY COMFORT ZONE.
It would be hard for me to pay more then ten a card, if I didn't play but collected my limit would be 150 cause I'd only have to buy one copy each.
Creepy Rudy making a return?
So when this guy made his post it note tracker thing, why did he decide to use different handwriting on a bunch of them? Seems he has like 4-5 styles of writing there......
I don't see any issue with people investing in MTG cards. People need to diversify investments. Sure maybe they can't all spread it out to more conventional investments such as commodities or stocks or even things such as art. MTG to me would appeal to people who invest in collectables whether they collect signs, antique toys or anything else of that nature except magic cards are infinitely easier to store. Just get a safety deposit box or two and sit on them for years if you want.
rudy - you are awesome
Inevitably investors are going to price themselves out of the market on older cards in that the formats that support these cards will just die.
I believe that once it becomes that expensive, he will be able to sell a single card for the price of todays' 1000 cards to some Rich collector. It would be so cool if he bought out entire market.
Orange Juice I think you are missing the point - his buyer market shrinks as supply dries up and prices increase.
At some point, this market crashes. It isn’t sustainable. Period.
Damn Wheel of Fortune is $300-$450 now each
I'm gonna laugh they day wizards gets desperate and burns the reserve list for some quick money and revenue increase before selling the company. The amount of tears that will flood out of the hoarders will do more damage to supply than than their previous efforts to remove things from the market ever did.
Rudy can you do a collection video of all your cards.
No
Did you go to grand prix orlando?
It all about those old and new foils...even the common ones bro.