I agree about keeping the bore clean before storage foe a length of time. However, realistically while hunting what if you need that followup shot. You certainly aren't cleaning the barrel before that in the field. So realistically what I do is make the first 3 shots a group without cleaning. Base your grouping of your powder, primer and projectile on those 3 shots. The first shot will dirty the barrel fornnthe next 2. I also use The white hots because of less fouling. That is a realistic way to measure your group because if a second shot is needed or if You get a chance to stay in the stand for a second harvest you will know your actual group. In real life snipers never clean their barrel until the weapon is stored for a length of time
Thanks for taking the time to comment. I never said anything about cleaning for a follow up shot. What I have found in the 250+ rounds of testing there is actually minimal difference in the second shot on a dirty barrel. However this is muzzleloader hunting and you want that first shot to count you rarely get a follow up shot unless your first shot was poor. So always having the first shot be on a clean barrel seems to be the way to go. I have found that once you get to shots 3 and four or even more you do get some noticeable changes in accuracy and consistency. Comparing a muzzleloader to a sniper rifle well there’s no comparison they aren’t even in the same ball park. Thanks again for watching and commenting. Stay safe
I went through that situation for 2 years then I realized the best way to get a follow up shot is to take 2 muzzle loader rifles at the same time every time.i have done that for 25 years.my second shot takes 2 seconds maximum. Your second shot will take 2 minutes. Your going to get use to cleaning between shots no matter how hardheaded you are of you want the best results possible
Great videos. Thanks for posting these, they are very informative. I'm seriously considering getting into muzzleloader game, but the amount of care and feeding involved is definitely a big minus.
I'm 25 years with the encore. Accuracy. Must clean barrel between shots Never clean a encore when its locked in place.break open the receiver first.there's always something going through the breach plug towards the firing pin.once you get to the shockwave and loose powder accuracy comes down to how many shots has the breach plug got to. If your barrel is very clean and you have the best powder and sabot combination the only thing that can significantly improve accuracy is putting a new breach plug in place.i would bet anything that when you shot your last group at 100 yards I can take your stainless steel encore and screw out the old breach plug and put in a new one and I guarantee my next 3 three shot groups will be better. I have found that the first or second shot isn't perfect on paper. But the next 15 shots will be the best group the load and shooter can do.if I was to compete in 200 yard accuracy with my 3 encore muzzle loaders I would replace my breach plug no later than 18 to 20 shots.thats not practical but a new breach plug is essential.i have 3 encore receivers. I have 3 muzzle loader barrels. I have 2 encore muzzle loader pistols. All 3 of my receivers have a trigger job by a gunsmith. One reciever is a couple of ounces and one is less than a pound and one is 2 pounds
Thank you for taking the time to comment. And thank you for the tip on having the action open when cleaning. To be honest it never crossed my mind about stuff going through the breech and back into the firing pin. That being said I do remove the firing pin and clean that area a few times per season but I could save myself some time if I clean with it open. Also I have considered ordering two new breech plugs for each of our guns now I definitely will. Thanks again. Stay safe
@@JarvisOutdoors if I was in charge I would make the spring the firing pin and round piece steel all stainless. It's a magnet for rust and corrosion.and I would manufacture the reciever in a piece of solid block steel not forged.my stainless barrels are excellent my receivers are totally different. Not the same quality.
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The white hots make my gun soooooo dirty after 1 shot how do you clean yours in between shots? 1 dry patch ? 2 dry patches? Or do you use pre saturated patches then dry patch?
Very good information about cleaning between shots. I normally will do this at a range session of 10-20 shots with no problems. An old video but I can't see paying for all that all the time. I use Windex with Vinegar and round shotgun patches bought in bulk between shots. And then WD-40 Specialist® Corrosion Inhibitor in the action and barrel for storage. This WD-40 Specialist®Corrosion Inhibitor is amazing at preventing any type of corrosion as it says. Even after a year there is still a good layer of it and zero problems even in humid conditions. Sorry but I can't pay for all this expensive pre made/packaged stuff. It's ridiculously marked up. You're paying the same for one bottle, bag, whatever that I pay for a lifetime supply in most cases. On firearms in general you can lube with anything from vegetable oil to Mobil1 and the wear will be no different and a lot of the time be better than some of these pricey products.
Thanks for this as a new MZ hunter
I agree about keeping the bore clean before storage foe a length of time. However, realistically while hunting what if you need that followup shot. You certainly aren't cleaning the barrel before that in the field. So realistically what I do is make the first 3 shots a group without cleaning. Base your grouping of your powder, primer and projectile on those 3 shots. The first shot will dirty the barrel fornnthe next 2. I also use The white hots because of less fouling. That is a realistic way to measure your group because if a second shot is needed or if You get a chance to stay in the stand for a second harvest you will know your actual group. In real life snipers never clean their barrel until the weapon is stored for a length of time
Thanks for taking the time to comment. I never said anything about cleaning for a follow up shot. What I have found in the 250+ rounds of testing there is actually minimal difference in the second shot on a dirty barrel. However this is muzzleloader hunting and you want that first shot to count you rarely get a follow up shot unless your first shot was poor. So always having the first shot be on a clean barrel seems to be the way to go. I have found that once you get to shots 3 and four or even more you do get some noticeable changes in accuracy and consistency. Comparing a muzzleloader to a sniper rifle well there’s no comparison they aren’t even in the same ball park. Thanks again for watching and commenting. Stay safe
I went through that situation for 2 years then I realized the best way to get a follow up shot is to take 2 muzzle loader rifles at the same time every time.i have done that for 25 years.my second shot takes 2 seconds maximum. Your second shot will take 2 minutes. Your going to get use to cleaning between shots no matter how hardheaded you are of you want the best results possible
You ain't getting a followup shot with a muzzle loader lol
Great videos. Thanks for posting these, they are very informative. I'm seriously considering getting into muzzleloader game, but the amount of care and feeding involved is definitely a big minus.
Thanks for watching. I hope it helped. They are a lot of work but it can be a lot of fun and rewarding.
I'm 25 years with the encore.
Accuracy. Must clean barrel between shots
Never clean a encore when its locked in place.break open the receiver first.there's always something going through the breach plug towards the firing pin.once you get to the shockwave and loose powder accuracy comes down to how many shots has the breach plug got to. If your barrel is very clean and you have the best powder and sabot combination the only thing that can significantly improve accuracy is putting a new breach plug in place.i would bet anything that when you shot your last group at 100 yards I can take your stainless steel encore and screw out the old breach plug and put in a new one and I guarantee my next 3 three shot groups will be better. I have found that the first or second shot isn't perfect on paper. But the next 15 shots will be the best group the load and shooter can do.if I was to compete in 200 yard accuracy with my 3 encore muzzle loaders I would replace my breach plug no later than 18 to 20 shots.thats not practical but a new breach plug is essential.i have 3 encore receivers. I have 3 muzzle loader barrels. I have 2 encore muzzle loader pistols. All 3 of my receivers have a trigger job by a gunsmith. One reciever is a couple of ounces and one is less than a pound and one is 2 pounds
Thank you for taking the time to comment. And thank you for the tip on having the action open when cleaning. To be honest it never crossed my mind about stuff going through the breech and back into the firing pin. That being said I do remove the firing pin and clean that area a few times per season but I could save myself some time if I clean with it open. Also I have considered ordering two new breech plugs for each of our guns now I definitely will. Thanks again. Stay safe
@@JarvisOutdoors if I was in charge I would make the spring the firing pin and round piece steel all stainless. It's a magnet for rust and corrosion.and I would manufacture the reciever in a piece of solid block steel not forged.my stainless barrels are excellent my receivers are totally different. Not the same quality.
Low Pressure 50 Caliber Smokeless Loads in a 209 Factory Muzzleloader, 2 DVD set | eBay
These 2 DVDs contain a demonstration of using Low Pressure Smokeless Loads in a 50 caliber factory muzzleloader.
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The white hots make my gun soooooo dirty after 1 shot how do you clean yours in between shots? 1 dry patch ? 2 dry patches? Or do you use pre saturated patches then dry patch?
@@Everythingoutdoors902 I use the pre saturated just like real black powder
If you want an accurate muzzleloader try to stay away from Thompson center if you do end up with one that don’t shoot well They won’t stand behind it
Thanks for the tip. We shoot CVAs and have had decent luck after lots of testing.
any videos of you shootng at the range
Very good information about cleaning between shots. I normally will do this at a range session of 10-20 shots with no problems.
An old video but I can't see paying for all that all the time. I use Windex with Vinegar and round shotgun patches bought in bulk between shots. And then WD-40 Specialist® Corrosion Inhibitor in the action and barrel for storage.
This WD-40 Specialist®Corrosion Inhibitor is amazing at preventing any type of corrosion as it says. Even after a year there is still a good layer of it and zero problems even in humid conditions.
Sorry but I can't pay for all this expensive pre made/packaged stuff. It's ridiculously marked up. You're paying the same for one bottle, bag, whatever that I pay for a lifetime supply in most cases. On firearms in general you can lube with anything from vegetable oil to Mobil1 and the wear will be no different and a lot of the time be better than some of these pricey products.