Last time I check, the "SJW" are dominating the west to the point that their values are now the modern western values. Little men like you have nothing other than spewing sore loser garbage like this. A few years ago, your ilk would at least go berserk and get angry, rambling about civil war and how you are going to kill liberals. Now every single last one of you chumps are only interested in spouting memes.
One of my favorite Conan moments from the books is when he came upon a village where a group of raiders were attacking the defenseless people. Without thinking, Conan locks swords with the raider’s leader. He shouted, “What kind of men are you, who make war with women and children? How fare you against one who can fight back?” He then proceeded in defending the village the way he did best. If that is “toxic masculinity”, then I’m fine with it. Edit... This from a Dark Horse Comics adaptation of the Frost Giant's Daughter story. It's in the second volume of the trades. I looked it up (it's been awhile since I had read it) and realized that I didn't get the quote quote right. It's actually this: "So, you make war on women and children and call it a blood feud, do you? Then come you forward, Northmen. For in my land, men settle their quarrels like men!"
toxic masculinity is not related to masculinity itself but rather self-destructive aspects that people claim it's masculine, like not being able to manage your own emotions so you let anger out by punching walls and risking fracturing your hand, or thinking excessive drinking and getting drunk stupid every day is masculine, but the term itself "toxic masculinity" makes it sound like masculinity itself is toxic. Then again, there's more imbeciles who push the actual meaning behind it further to claim that all masculinity is toxic, so screw them lol.
Conan was written by Robert E. Howard on the basis and example of three different men he knew. Conan is the true and real maleness condensed in one character.
So Conan’s story is about wandering due to rejection and being treated like nothing more than mindless savage and Amazon rejecting the idea of a Conan show because they view him as “toxic masculinity”. I wonder if Amazon sees the irony in this.
100%. What's really interesting is the two Conan movies in the early 80s not only had great diversity (black, Asian, and Hispanic actors all had important roles), but the first movie in particular gave a lot of power/cred to Valeria...the badass female thief played by Sandahl Bergman who Conan falls for, and who fights like a demon (against demons!) to give Conan a second lease on life. In other words - as much as Conan is a male power fantasy, the 82 film actually balanced this out quite a lot, without robbing Conan of his strength - and yet, we know, if Hollywoke was to do Conan now, not even that would cut it. Not even Valeria and Conan working as a team together with Subotai would be PC enough. They'd probably bait and switch it. Thank God it got cancelled.
Valeria would have to be race-swapped and non-binary and better at Conan than everything. Conan would have to be a blundering idiot who can't win a single fight without Xir help.
Spot on i keep hearing Hollywood tell me that we need strong female characters Valeria was a great female character she respected Conan and Conan respected her
@@thx113thx Hollywood is running by a small minority called Neo-feminist. Someone some rich elitist pumping a lot of money to Hollywood studios for doing this
"Conan what is best in life?" "Woo..boy...not sure what's safe to say here...uh...respect all women....and men...or whoever identifies as whatever....uh...."
During the COVID lockdowns, I actually read the entire series of Conan tales. There's one or two really strong female characters in there, the most notable being Bêlit, a swashbuckling, ruthless queen of pirates who takes Conan as her partner. You could do an entire movie of Conan as a pirate with Bêlit alongside him--the people rejecting Conan clearly have only seen the Schwarzenegger films and not read the actual short stories that Howard wrote.
Funnily enough, you sound like you've not seen the movies because you write them off pretty easily despite having strong female characters, as well. And racial diversity that wasn't forced.
@@mage1439, you sir are jumping to conclusions, you have no way of knowing what she has or has not watched. I have watched all the movies, read the books, and a few of the comic books. The first Conan movie, had Conan chained to a fountain whining about the villain who was not even part of the the Conan stories. Conan was crying like a little bitch and when his hand was stepped on by one of the bad guys he shows emotion, that is so far from what would have happened, first of all Conan would have not been taken down by those cultist, he would have broken arms, legs necks, and he would have also had at the very least a dagger, but more likely a sword there would have been a pile of bodies up to his chest. Arnold said that Howard's Conan was too unrealistic, so he is the one who toned down the character, he was way too slow using a sword for the fight scenes. The hair colour was not even correct, tell me where were the thousands of scars all over his body, face? At least when Jason Momoa played Conan, he had scars, he was a more accurate Conan than Arnold shall ever be.
Actually the job of a writer should be to entertain audiences. Making money should just be a desired side effect. Am I living in a dream world? Yes. Am I still correct? Yes.
@@tool2158 No, in today's movie environment, making money is the top priority. They can't take risks on movies people will love if it can't make enough money to make a profit. Matt Damon talked about that on Hot Ones recently.
@@TheNightOwlKS Yeah, I totally get that. But as with everey job, the end product will be better if people are working on it that are driven by more than greed for profit and actually love what they are doing and have a real talaent. You can just tell the difference. So many cheap remakes recently give you the feels of a cash grab and ultimately dived at the box office.
Please don’t ruin Conan too. There isn’t much left that is good and pure. Let him stay in the blissful realm of forgotten by Hollywood and kept in the hearts and minds of the fans who truly care. Conan should live, breathe, love and slay and I will be content.
That's not true, and you know it. These people might shout all their love for these new projects, but they definitely don't watch them. So really all they actually offer is a cheer and then nothing.
My all time favorite Conan battle was when at the age of just 17 years old, he was hunted down and cornered in the mountains by a three-man team of assassins called "Brotherhood of the Falcon". These guys had him surrounded with his back to the wall when one on them told him "Once we kill you and cash your head in for bounty, we will hire a wench to sing at your funeral". Conan rose his sword and told them "The only song you will sing today is your own Death Song at the Gates of Hell. Call out to whatever worthless god you pray to because I'm about to send all three of you to him". From there he lunged out in a mindless rage and killed two of them. The third assasin lunged at him and Conan slipped and fell. Before he could regain his balance this assasin swung his sword at him but was attacked himself by a snow beast that quickly grabbed him and ripped him to pieces.
You're so right Melonie about how we were once excited about hearing that our favorite characters or franchises were getting a new show...Now when we hear that, we wonder, "Ok. How bad are they planning to ruin it? ". I do miss the days when respect for a story, or character was a thing, and new writers would do what they could to pay homage to the original legacy. Like what Peter Jackson did for LOTR. Love your channel, btw.
Yes, perfect! PJ's LOTR trilogy is motion picture magic at its best, IMO. All because he stayed mostly true to canon, admitted when he made changes and tried to make them not derail things too badly, and also made it a point to not include any modern references so as to render his take effectively timeless. As opposed to a certain piece of hot garbage on Amazon Prime Video right now that is deservedly dying a thousand deaths because woke activists don't know when to leave well enough alone.
I watch very little modern television/movies. This is a reminder why. Makes it very easy to catch up on a backlog of films and television from an era that isn't looking to be offended by something.
I agree. Me and my friends only watch shit from 20 years ago + anime ( mostly because anime is untouched by modern politics. It's all about FUN ). I'm black and i can't stand the amount of woke shit being shoved down our throats in western entertainment.
There's a lot of good, progressive stuff in Conan stories that I think pushed culture in the right direction. In several cases, when there's a woman in charge he freely assumes the position of their second in command and willingly follows them. In A Witch Shall Be Born, he starts the story as a queen's general, and when she is deposed he undertakes herculean efforts to restore her to power for no reasons other than he respects her and it's his job. Progressives ignore the seeds of liberal thought to their detriment. They have no idea how we got to where we are because they discard the entire past as "not good enough."
Conan is like Mad Max he doesn't need an origin, just throw him into a hairy situation get some popcorn and enjoy the carnage. Bonus points if you can somehow get The Hu to guest as traveling bards or something.
I think a lot of people posting their comments didn’t actually watch the video. Amazon were going to do a great Conan, one that was true to the character - Andre specifically stated that the scripts Condall wrote were amazingly good and true to the source material. It’s because the Conan series was so true to the source material that it got cancelled. If it was woke garbage like Wheel of Time or Rangs of Power (‘hearing some talk about my giiiiirl Galadrigal!111’) Amazon wouldn’t have cancelled it. Or to be more precise, Jennifer Salke wouldn’t have cancelled it. She is responsible for the direction Amazon has taken. Direct your ire towards her. Whether or not the Netflix series is any good, we won’t get to see what Condall wrote, and that’s a real shame. Feminazis like Salke are actively destroying our culture, ensuring that the properties we love are either corrupted by woke ideology or cancelled. She’s an absolutely abhorrent person.
@@timberwolfdan5910 did you watch Midnight Edge’s video about this? The one referenced in this video? I believe the claim because it was made by Andre, and the scripts were written by Ryan Condall. The fact that the show was cancelled for toxic masculinity is itself proof that they were gonna do Conan right.
I did a little research on Nellie Andreeva and honestly, nothing stands out as having an agenda of the woke-type. Most of her work is journalism not show writing but nothing says she couldn't do a good job. Honestly, I'd have been fine checking out the planned Conan. Sucks it got canned
Just imagine a non-binary transsexual Conan in they quest to defeat the empowered lesbian she-witch Thulsa Doom with the help of the totally African Warrior Red Sonja. 😈
Melonie you have a GREAT point with the new "origin" stories, they DO want to change what they don't like. I will look at new origin adaptations differently now
I love a good backstory as much as the next guy. But Melonie does make a very good point, that it's become this vehicle for rewriting characters from the ground up. Honestly I think part of the appeal of Conan is that Cimmeria and thus Conan's origins are so mysterious. Conan is the only example of his people we ever see in Howard's writings. All we really know about them is that they're a fierce warrior people who've never been conquered, they excel at climbing and that they worship a very grim pantheon of Gods. Conan is a drifter who has somehow found his way to civilized lands and fallen in with thieves, mercenaries or bandits depending on the story. Really that's all we need to know about him.
Yes, it is a great point which could have been make...40 years ago. As in literally 40 years ago when EXACTLY that was done in 1982 with the Conan movie. They created a whole new "origin" story for the exactly reasons she described. This is nothing new. This is no new "agenda". This has been going on for longer than Melonie has been alive (at least my assumption based on how she looks). So if you haven't figured this out in, at the very least, the last 40 years.... why bother looking at things differently now?
@@paulmiller7838 Because people change their minds when they receive information. Very dumb to think just because peoppe werent born 40 years ago or didn't have knowledge of something when they were 2 years old them they can't change their minds.
@@GsusCrust It is also pretty dumb to think that just because someone pointed out a practice which is many decades old and calling it new on a video based on an article whose very title is filled with propaganda and loaded language to push a narrative of unverifiable garbage as a solid reason to change ones mind about how they view everything. Perhaps it would be more logical to look at the facts and learn some history before claiming that things are "very dumb" because they were inconvenient to you. She started this video by pulling up a biased propaganda article and based the video on that, which is pretty sad to be honest. But by all means, let the propaganda "change your mind".
Yeah, I remember the days when I looked forward to a film adaptation to a book or story I loved.....Now, after having my "expectations subverted" by the film industry so many times, my expectations have shifted to such a degree that whenever I hear about an upcoming movie or series, five words immediately enter my mind "I bet that's gonna suck!" And if they ever decide to do a 180 and abandon this crap, one thing they're going to find out is that it's *a lot* easier to burn bridges than it is to build them! They've gone out of their way to alienate and degrade their fandoms and paying customers, and people are hard pressed to forget stuff like that.....Like Sisyphus from Greek mythology, they're going to find that boulder *pretty* difficult to roll up the hill! They're going to find reaching out to fans, apologizing and getting them to return will be a constant uphill battle, as their efforts are rejected, putting them back where they started. Oh well......They brought it on themselves!
Conan 1982: What is best in life? To crush your enemies. See them driven before you. And to hear the lamentations of their women. Conan 2022: What is best in life? To order a vegan burger, take a picture of it and upload it to Instagram.
Wasn't there a Conan movie in 2011 with Jason Momoa wich was allright if not forgetable. as in you watch it with a few friends, a couple of beers and forget it when you turn off the tv.
@@khululyp There was but it was kinda bad. It really had nothing to do with Conan other than the character being called Conan. The problem is Momoa is a great guy, and has a great look, nothing bad to say about him as a person.... but he can't act. Especially not with a weak script.
I hope that we can all look back on this many years from now and see how completely idiotic this all is. I'm so gawdamn sick of everything trying to be 'woke' now. It's exhausting. Thank you Melonie for covering this media. How are you not going crazy?
Hail Melanie. I too am glad that Amazon won't be ruining Conan. Instead, Netflix will ruin it instead. 😞 I'm a "toxic male" in my 50s and have been a fan of Robert E. Howard (creator of Conan) since I was a kid. Amazon's attempt to become an entertainment platform has become a horrendous joke. But...Netflix gave us "Cuties". I don't think anything Hollywood (including the streaming services) will ever change.
I always thought it was kinda cool that in the Howard stories there's never a Conan origin story. You just get bits and pieces on his journey from barbarian to king.
This is GOOD NEWS. Amazon would have rebooted Conan as a half-Asian/half-African, trans dwarf with obesity... who somehow wields a massive blade and kills 200lb+ warriors. I prefer Arnie.
Which is actually funny because for once race swapping might have actually not have been an insult to the Creator’s work. Hyperboria is England according to Howard, but in every story he’s described as anything but proto-English tribes depending on how Howard felt that day.
You forgot pregnant black shemale of colour and uses Ze/Zim/Zir pronouns. Oh, and Ze also gives a gurl boss speech about things being good when they fit a woman, but also that you can't define what a woman is, and that er...patriarchy bad, abortion good, and nipples are empowerment or something
I dunno . . . I might actually pay money just for a sneak peek at such an atrocity purely out of curiosity on how they will carry it out. Never underestimate the power of Hollywood fan-baiting. 😁
I didn't even know that they were going to make a Conan TV show. But it would have been crap, or the actual main character would be a woman who is the key to everything. And she actually saves the day and Conan would be a supporting charater. I remember liking the Conan movies. Some people don't realize that a man created Wonder Woman. And she's a beloved DC character by both men and women. If Conan was done right I would like to see it. I wouldn't mind see a John Carter of Mars series. If it was done right. I'm tired of the toxic masculinity phrase. Great to see ya Mel. Thanks for keeping me informed.
The 1st time I ve saw a video by this lady!! Ty,ty ,ty! Very smart young lady!!! Just when I was about to give up hope for anyone under age of 50! Love you girl! Keep speaking truth and I will keep trashing the WOKE!
Hollywood has not made an original massively big action movie since possibly the 90s and the 80s both full of awesome movies. All they do now is try to do remakes or sequels.
Robert E Howard is my favourite author so this makes me happy. I don't trust any of the modern studios to do Conan properly. Recommend that people read the original short stories if they haven't already, and also to check out some of his other characters like Kull, Solomon Kane and El Borak
You guys have good taste. I only knew Conan from film and comics. Read some Robert E Howard recently and went totally into the zone and flow. What a great writer he was.
@@TrueBagPipeRock I have been reading Conan books since the late 80s and only 15 years ago since the reprints i was able to get my hands on the original Robert E. Howard stories in english. But i have a question: Have you found Robert E. Howard through Midnight's Edge or Razorfist ?
You nailed it! My favorite aspect of the first movie is the way it embraced Robert E. Howard's bleak world view where NOTHING could be taken for granted & rewards had to be earned.🎃
Daniel sweet. Exactly! It may not have been accurate to conan the character(honestly, he acts more like Kull.) it perfectly copies the setting and tone Howard wrote.
@@abrahemsamander3967 Well it certainly was not accurate to Conan's character from the Howard stories. But it was even further from Kull who was far more of an intellectual and fascinated with things like philosophy which Conan could never tolerate. The character that Arnold portrayed in the movie was just a character made for the movie who happened to share the name Conan...that's about it. The only other similarities they share are the facts that they come from Cimmeria and they worship Crom. That is literally all they share in common. The similarities between that character and Kull.... they are both men?
You're absolutely right. "Origin stories" are code for, "We're going to write a version of the character that has nothing except the name in common with the character we baited you into your seat to watch. Yep. We suckered you in here with the franchise marquee, but that's not what you're gonna get, _SUCKERRR!"_ So done with this kind of shit. I hope we all are, and maybe -- _just maybe_ -- they're figuring that out. Maybe that's the _real_ reason they canceled their plans to do this to Conan, because maybe they realized that it would be a waste of their money to do this because _nobody_ would watch it.
I have no idea how anyone could make a better or even comperable version of Conan than the 1982 movie staring Arnold Schwarzenegger. That movie is truly a masterpiece.
You probably should read the original books..... :)) And don't tell me you did,....the Schwarzenegger movie was kinda funny, but hardly a reflection of the original Conan character as portrayed by Robert E. Howard.
Arnold Conan was a good movie, but a shit tier conan movie because it wasn't intended to be a conan movie. They got the rights to the movie as his standard sword and sorcery movie was wrapping up production.
These clowns couldn’t adapt any fantasy story to save their lives, let alone THE Conan The Barbarian. Writing and adapting fantasy requires the basic acknowledgment that- no matter the level of resemblance- fantasy is not the real world; something people running these projects either can only rarely do or are only rarely allowed to do.
That is sadly very true. Aya Brea, Tifa, Ripley, Samus were all characters I adore to this day, because their stories and personalities are authentic, yet they always stood within the restraints of their own world, which I think was what made them believable.
Fact: Conan gets saved by multiple courageous women in the R.E.H. stories, he even marries one in gratitude and recognition of her smarts and bravery, and in doing so makes her Queen of Aquilonia. they have children too. That has to have women appeal!
Amazon doesn’t understand fantasy because they never read the books nor understand the tone the writer is using as part of their theme. Tolkien’s writing has lots of poetry, beauty, and humor. Robert e Howard is short concise and brutal in his first story Conan is eating a giant feast like a barbarian gets attacked by a shadow monster which he kills with a magic sword. Hp lovecraft horror centered around horror and helplessness against forces greater than mankind.
Putting aside the amusing concept that a company named "Amazon" hates masculinity, I'm rather glad that they didn't get the opportunity to destroy yet another legacy character.
it's more about "what they are" than "what they did" nowadays and it keeps backfiring because the fans care about the latter more than the former, despite what vocal twitter claims (as if they watch the movies and shows and support the creations through and through)
the thing that probably made them the most mad was the theme of "man saves woman from bad guy". removing that from culture is going to have a horrible effect on kids that will be growing up during this time and turning into adults in about 20 years
We're already living in a world where a lot of people have no concept of saving anyone from anybody. They have no sense of moral duty to help anyone but themselves. This, of course, serves the corporate overlords well. 😜
Women don't need saving from men. The basic foundation societies are built on is the protection of women & children. Men, however, do need saving from women. We are living in a society (and have been for 60nyears) where women have more rights & power than men. As a result, women are allowed to provoke and prey on men with impunity while playing victim.
I remember reading the old conan comics because my older brother had a few of them. They were often rough and violent on the outside, but also had touching, deeper moments if you cared to read through a story ark. The MMO that was released back around 2011 also was a small, altough short lived highlight for me. The game had one of the best, most immersive starting areas with great story telling, characters and an overall enjoyable combat system. It's just a shame that the game went downhill from there because funcom, the developer, had the genius idea to distribute their resources across 3 different games which all turned out mediocre at best, instead of making 1 decent game. With that in mind, maybe it's better that companies like Amazon and Netflix leave Conan alone, but I'd love to see a fan made film or short series.
PS: even back in 2011 there was a controversy surrounding the finishing moves in the game (you could decapitate some enemies) although the game was clearly marketed as 18+ lol.
Age of Conan was a great game, and if you haven't seen it yet you really aught to try out Conan Exiles (also made by Funcom, who own the Conan IP now).
Exactly, toxic men do exist, ie rapists, child abusers, etc, but it was always up to men to handle these situations. That got misinterpreted along the way by extremists and now they label everything masculine as toxic.
It's always gonna be the women and children who suffer the most under male violence, that's a fact we cannot deny. But that is also the reason why it used to be (and still kinda is) the mens duty to protect their women and children. Personally (as a Westerner) I don't bother to be chivalrous anymore in my own country. If women want to claim oppression and be like men, they are welcome to do so. There are still plenty of other countries where male attributes are valued and respected.
@@legendoffupa Dude... that isn't a fact at all. Please tell me who has more deaths in war. Men or Women? Who are more likely to be a murder victim? Both of those are men. Men target men, men are more often victims of male violence. Also when women and children are victims of male violence, they get help. When men are victims, they are told to man up. Men are the ones who suffer the most. Try putting a little more thought into easily observable reality.
And Midnight's Edge told the guy's pilot script was one of the best ever written for Conan. Amazon Studios is a house of losers. Just not whole losers because Reacher had a pretty solid first season.
Right, Reacher seems like an anomaly. Strong competent man as the lead, capable female character who doesn't need to the men around her to look like fools so she can shine and she's still feminine and a love interest. Black man with a personality and motivation beyond his skin color. It's diverse but naturally so. How adaptations should be done, focus on quality and the rest falls into place
I honestly wish these people would just leave Conan alone, I have zero confidence they can truthfully adapt him in this era hypersensitive and woke bs. But I hope they prove me wrong because I’m a big Conan fan and that fantasy genre
Apparently there is usually in contract an obligation of some kind for it to be true to the character. Like marvels recent run. They had no choice but to write it normally and couldnt change it.
Well i have the exact same sentiment, but I was told the Netlifx in production show (i know, i know) is actually good. Check Midnight's Edge content on conan. As an example, Amazon studios is awful, but Reacher had a great first season.
@@Helmutlozzi decent director, passable lead actress (good in Revenge or at least you can see the potential), complete rewrite of the script, exclusion of Gail Simone, budget north of 70M... there's hope
I absolutely believe that Red Sonia could be awesome if they let people work on it who are passionate about the character and telling an interesting story, and not some daydreaming Wokeoids who only care about their political agenda.
What is absolutely insane is that Amazon could be dominating everything if they would just go to the fans if they would just go to regular writers instead of trying to push stuff the kind of money they have they could probably dwarf Marvel well they definitely could now
They may swoon, but as a kid when I saw a picture of Sword 'n Sorcery art, I'd go: "this is gonna be good." Unfortunately most 80s sword 'n sorcery movies were not good, but years later I found out how hilariously entertaining they were! ;)
@@peterjanssen5901 Dude, I thought the same of that trailer as a kid, I mean his sword had 3 blades! I loved that ridiculously stupid ass sword! Even now I still laugh when I remember how anti-climactical it was when they showed how he came to own it...
@@craiggraham4134 Ah! Well, that's the movie the Sword and the Sorcerer. Which is hilarious,. Albert Puyn's finest moment. (Then there was the first Cyborg movie and all the Snu-Snu sequels) But I meant the genre of "Sword 'n Sorcery" of which Sword and the Sorcerer is just a tiny fraction. ;)
And if you thought Sword and the Sorcerer was kitsch; Wait 'till you check Deathstalker I, II and III, or the Deathstalker movies, Barbarian Queen and Lucio Fulci's Conquest. What a blast!
They made fans happy with Reacher and Terminal List, and would have put even more people front of their Prime subscription. "The message" is that important to them.
I've read Robert E. Howard's Conan and he was a brilliant storyteller but a lot of it doesn't seem like it'd be allowed given Modern Sensibility. I would love a show based on Howard's writing but I don't see how that'd ever be made right now.
What made him also specially is the way he wrote it: it was direct, raw and brought it to the point. For fans of Robert E. Howard, he was gifted for heroic storytelling and died to early to write even more fantastic, heroic and weird tales.
The irony is the showrunner for this was Ryan Condal and apparently the scripts were really good. Then Amazon kicked him to the curb. Well he went over to HBO and became the showrunner for House of the Dragon and got that show fast into production when HBO was having terrible luck getting any of the GoT prequels off of the ground. So really Condal got to have the last laugh on Amazon.
Arnold Schwarzenegger's Conan in answer to the question "What is best in life?" - "To crush your enemies. See them driven before you. And to hear the lamentations of their women. " We can't have that these days now can we? 😅
Has anyone else noticed that all these movies are being reimagined and re-released for "modern audiences" and "broad appeal" yet no one seems to like them except a very narrow and financially insignificant sliver of the population?
Probably because _they_ are the "modern audience" they keep talking about and "broad appeal" means everyone who thinks like they do, so they don't see any issue because everything is aimed at them. Everything's pretty much working as intended. None of them even know what the _actual_ modern audience wants, since audiences today don't seem much different to 10-20 years ago.
Let's be fair here: Conan had one good movie, two bad ones, an okay cartoon series, a bad TV series, and one good soundtrack. Moreover, they had about 89 clones, the best of which was The Sword and the Sorcerer. Amazon isn't afraid of 'toxic masculinity,' they're afraid of testosterone.
Nah they are scared of upsetting these extreme feminists and ultra woketards. Thats the issue. They want men and the next generation of men to feel ashamed for being the gender they are and to make them feminine. But a world without masculine men is a world without people doing the really risky jobs, like building skyscrapers, fixing and maintaining power infrastructure and so forth. I’m not saying women aren’t capable either, I’m a father of four daughters there is no job my daughters can’t do. Its just the more risky and dangerous jobs are ones normally done by men.
I actually thought the Jason Mamoa version was pretty faithful to the Robert Howard vision. Not that faithful makes it better, necessarily, but I thought they did a fair job. The Arnold version was iconic, but he has a bit of a humorous appeal that I never saw in Conan. Though it made that Conan a bit more accessible, which is good.
I got this video on my feed the other day. First time viewer. I like that you don't change you voice or go reee, when you read. You just read it and comment. When other people do it, they kind of sound like the type of person, some might claim they are. I have a hard time explaining what I mean. You just got a new follower
I hope Netflix goes through with the Conan series and it sticks to the original Robert E Howard stories. I fell in love with Conan in a college literature class when we studied pulp fiction authors like Howard, Lovecraft, Lin Carter, Sprague de Camp. etc. Carter and De Camp did a good job expanding on Conan from Howard's notes.
Arnold is supposed to be starring in a new Conan movie soon. It sounds awesome. He’s an aged King who uses brutality, fear, and intimidation to keep his thrown. It’s meant to be the final chapter in what will be a Conan trilogy and it’s gonna be a testosterone fueled gore fest. I thought they scrapped it but apparently it’s still a go.
I'll believe it when I see it. It is more likely that they'll have him lactating, breastfeeding the kids while weeping a confession about how he regrets his entire previous life.
@@despayre3914 'Fingers crossed?' Christ Almighty are you just not paying attention? The only thing you should be hoping for is that the project gets cancelled before it gets off the ground.
All the "Fantasy" talk scared me. I'm afraid they were trying to shoehorn Conan into the High Fantasy genre instead of the Swords and Sorcery genre that he's always belonged in.
Frankly, I'm VERY pleased by this news because Conan is the epitome of male badassery. Personally, I'd love to see someone like Zack Snyder take on a Conan movie or series! After "300", he proved that he has everything to give it the proper treatment!
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It’s awesome to see that every time I watch a new video of yours you’ve gained around 1,000 subs. The channel is growing! 😃😃 Eh. 2022 and we’re still having people push the toxic masculinity talking point….
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The closest character to Conan I can think of is Guts from Berserk. Neither character is "toxic" in the least but incredibly masculine both. These people seem to want men weak. Possibly to conquer?
There's nothing "mind boggling" about it. Muscle exposure has always been the characters front point of view. Why are people so adamant making up BS on social media? People now a days are so sensitive & damn brittle.
You are obviously unqualified to offer an opinion on Conan at all. I will grant you glorification of strength as a theme, but for Conan (REAL Conan) that serves a purpose - it doesn't just exist in a vacuum.
Been reading the Cimmerian comic adaptations. Having a hard time picturing them wokifying the one where Conan chokes out a Viking Goddess because he's tired of her both harassing him and flicking her bean to dudes killing each other over her.
I find it most apt that the showrunners for the Amazon Conan ended up doing HotD for HBO to destroy TRoP. I'm a serious lifelong hardcore Conan fan loving the REH stories as a child. I hope Condal et al can do a gritty, aggressive, and barbarous hypermasculine, violent, sexual, raw, and compelling series in the future.
The irony of the “toxic masculinity” accusations from writers is that these same people will write “strong” women with a hyper-masculinity that no actual male character could get away with because it would be too ridiculous a caricature. Even the most masculine male heroes (like James Bond) smile, make jokes, experience grief and loss, and have moments of vulnerability. Today’s Mary Sue female characters have none of these things - even though they make characters likable and relatable while keeping the masculine side grounded. The Conan stories by RE Howard are brilliant, and already subversive in their own clever, subtle way. Those who think Conan is “toxic masculinity” genuinely haven’t the most remote understanding of the source material.
Hello, New subscriber here. And yep, I'm a guy, as a Conan fan I thank you for this video, it's perfectly stated, and also if I may, thank you to Amazon for not ruining yet another existing property that is perfectly fine the way it is, Now if Netflix can do it right? Well, I suppose that is another matter for another time. love your channel!
Conan is a property that could be a game of thrones like breakout. But they will never do it correctly. It’s a brutal dark fantasy world and it can’t be allowed to be liked
In the Dark Horse comics there's a pretty good origin story for Conan: he becomes the strongest child in the village, fights some wild animals, meets a druid, fights alongside his people vs the Vanir, then leaves to travel the world.
I'm glad Amazon won't be ruining Conan. There's no way Conan could be done right in this era of Hollywood.
The reboot with Jason Mamoa comes to mind.
Weren't you the Balls Above Wang guy?
Now it will be Netflix, that will be ruining Conan.
Exactly, look at what they did to Lord of the Rings
@@Indians-dl3to at least that movie is not woke despite it failed hard
" Conan what is best in life?"
" Crush the SJWs, see them driven before you and hear the REEEEEEing of the Karens!"
😂😂😂
Last time I check, the "SJW" are dominating the west to the point that their values are now the modern western values. Little men like you have nothing other than spewing sore loser garbage like this.
A few years ago, your ilk would at least go berserk and get angry, rambling about civil war and how you are going to kill liberals. Now every single last one of you chumps are only interested in spouting memes.
...You not only can tolerate but enjoy te REEEEing of Karens? You are sick.
By Crom, that's a good one.
@@Raximus3000 Crom laughs at the REEEEEing of the Karens, laughs from his mountain!
One of my favorite Conan moments from the books is when he came upon a village where a group of raiders were attacking the defenseless people. Without thinking, Conan locks swords with the raider’s leader. He shouted, “What kind of men are you, who make war with women and children? How fare you against one who can fight back?” He then proceeded in defending the village the way he did best.
If that is “toxic masculinity”, then I’m fine with it.
Edit...
This from a Dark Horse Comics adaptation of the Frost Giant's Daughter story. It's in the second volume of the trades. I looked it up (it's been awhile since I had read it) and realized that I didn't get the quote quote right. It's actually this: "So, you make war on women and children and call it a blood feud, do you? Then come you forward, Northmen. For in my land, men settle their quarrels like men!"
toxic masculinity is not related to masculinity itself but rather self-destructive aspects that people claim it's masculine, like not being able to manage your own emotions so you let anger out by punching walls and risking fracturing your hand, or thinking excessive drinking and getting drunk stupid every day is masculine, but the term itself "toxic masculinity" makes it sound like masculinity itself is toxic.
Then again, there's more imbeciles who push the actual meaning behind it further to claim that all masculinity is toxic, so screw them lol.
Conan was written by Robert E. Howard on the basis and example of three different men he knew. Conan is the true and real maleness condensed in one character.
That is rather good of Conan, not toxic. You remember what exact title of the book this came from?
@@bluecollie55_movies25 I don't off hand. I'll see if I can find it.
Well said
So Conan’s story is about wandering due to rejection and being treated like nothing more than mindless savage and Amazon rejecting the idea of a Conan show because they view him as “toxic masculinity”. I wonder if Amazon sees the irony in this.
I can guarantee they see nothing of the sort 😅😅
Since when do they know anything about characters or stories. They just saw muscles and they were like 'ummmm no'
It's just bizarre that we're at the point where we are grateful when they're not making a show/movie based on a property or character we like.
We're living in the nightmare timeline.
You know we live in weird times when we actually celebrate studios NOT doing (read: ruining) a series 😅
L🤭L
Hollywood is satanic and evil they ruin franchises on purpose to subvert art and human morality.
100%. What's really interesting is the two Conan movies in the early 80s not only had great diversity (black, Asian, and Hispanic actors all had important roles), but the first movie in particular gave a lot of power/cred to Valeria...the badass female thief played by Sandahl Bergman who Conan falls for, and who fights like a demon (against demons!) to give Conan a second lease on life.
In other words - as much as Conan is a male power fantasy, the 82 film actually balanced this out quite a lot, without robbing Conan of his strength - and yet, we know, if Hollywoke was to do Conan now, not even that would cut it. Not even Valeria and Conan working as a team together with Subotai would be PC enough. They'd probably bait and switch it. Thank God it got cancelled.
Because in Conan universe, it's similar to our universe. There's Chinese, African, Arab, Spanish, viking, German and pirate
Valeria would have to be race-swapped and non-binary and better at Conan than everything. Conan would have to be a blundering idiot who can't win a single fight without Xir help.
@@boboboy8189 Yes, I know. Robert E Howard's vision of Hyboria was set in prehistoric times on our own planet.
Spot on i keep hearing Hollywood tell me that we need strong female characters Valeria was a great female character she respected Conan and Conan respected her
@@thx113thx Hollywood is running by a small minority called Neo-feminist. Someone some rich elitist pumping a lot of money to Hollywood studios for doing this
"Conan what is best in life?"
"Woo..boy...not sure what's safe to say here...uh...respect all women....and men...or whoever identifies as whatever....uh...."
😆 🤣 😂 😹 👍
The open steppe, a fleet horse, falcons at your wrist, and the wind in your hair 😂
ROFL.
You called it, the answer to that question alone would make a writers room of offense experts heads explode.
🤣
I've never been so excited to hear something I really wanted get cancelled.
During the COVID lockdowns, I actually read the entire series of Conan tales. There's one or two really strong female characters in there, the most notable being Bêlit, a swashbuckling, ruthless queen of pirates who takes Conan as her partner. You could do an entire movie of Conan as a pirate with Bêlit alongside him--the people rejecting Conan clearly have only seen the Schwarzenegger films and not read the actual short stories that Howard wrote.
Funnily enough, you sound like you've not seen the movies because you write them off pretty easily despite having strong female characters, as well. And racial diversity that wasn't forced.
@@mage1439, you sir are jumping to conclusions, you have no way of knowing what she has or has not watched. I have watched all the movies, read the books, and a few of the comic books. The first Conan movie, had Conan chained to a fountain whining about the villain who was not even part of the the Conan stories. Conan was crying like a little bitch and when his hand was stepped on by one of the bad guys he shows emotion, that is so far from what would have happened, first of all Conan would have not been taken down by those cultist, he would have broken arms, legs necks, and he would have also had at the very least a dagger, but more likely a sword there would have been a pile of bodies up to his chest. Arnold said that Howard's Conan was too unrealistic, so he is the one who toned down the character, he was way too slow using a sword for the fight scenes. The hair colour was not even correct, tell me where were the thousands of scars all over his body, face? At least when Jason Momoa played Conan, he had scars, he was a more accurate Conan than Arnold shall ever be.
@@mage1439
Oh you're completely right.
Conan would be dead if not for Valeria.
And that's in the Arnold Movie.
She didn't watch it.
@@kendiamond7852 Yes Valaria and Zula.
I also like Zenobia.
Hollywood needs to stop hiring activists. Period. The job of a writer is to make money, not propaganda.
Writers do write propaganda
Actually the job of a writer should be to entertain audiences. Making money should just be a desired side effect. Am I living in a dream world? Yes. Am I still correct? Yes.
Hollywood hires activists because Hollywood is run by activists.
@@tool2158 No, in today's movie environment, making money is the top priority. They can't take risks on movies people will love if it can't make enough money to make a profit. Matt Damon talked about that on Hot Ones recently.
@@TheNightOwlKS Yeah, I totally get that. But as with everey job, the end product will be better if people are working on it that are driven by more than greed for profit and actually love what they are doing and have a real talaent. You can just tell the difference. So many cheap remakes recently give you the feels of a cash grab and ultimately dived at the box office.
Please don’t ruin Conan too. There isn’t much left that is good and pure. Let him stay in the blissful realm of forgotten by Hollywood and kept in the hearts and minds of the fans who truly care. Conan should live, breathe, love and slay and I will be content.
Right! It's probably best to sleep on Conan for a while till some small, creative, start up can get the IP and make something more like DREDD.
It's already been remade
They'd probably turn him into soyboy the barbarian
He's the epitome of toxic masculinity. 😅 There's not a chance he'll emerge unscathed from an Amazon writing room.
Clearly you havent seen what marvel and dc have done with him
Toxic masculinity - REEEEEE!!!!!
Toxic femininity - yasss queen heres all the moneys!
That's not true, and you know it. These people might shout all their love for these new projects, but they definitely don't watch them. So really all they actually offer is a cheer and then nothing.
Conan is the ultimate man! He does not cry, others cry for him!
My all time favorite Conan battle was when at the age of just 17 years old, he was hunted down and cornered in the mountains by a three-man team of assassins called "Brotherhood of the Falcon". These guys had him surrounded with his back to the wall when one on them told him "Once we kill you and cash your head in for bounty, we will hire a wench to sing at your funeral". Conan rose his sword and told them "The only song you will sing today is your own Death Song at the Gates of Hell. Call out to whatever worthless god you pray to because I'm about to send all three of you to him". From there he lunged out in a mindless rage and killed two of them. The third assasin lunged at him and Conan slipped and fell. Before he could regain his balance this assasin swung his sword at him but was attacked himself by a snow beast that quickly grabbed him and ripped him to pieces.
"Amazon drop a Conan the Barbarian series."
Thank God
"It has since moved over to Netflix
Dear God
Nuke it from orbit.
Netflix are 2x worst than Amazon.
@@boboboy8189 From the cloudburst into the waterfall.
Chances are that Conan will be black?
pls tell me you're kidding.
You're so right Melonie about how we were once excited about hearing that our favorite characters or franchises were getting a new show...Now when we hear that, we wonder, "Ok. How bad are they planning to ruin it? ". I do miss the days when respect for a story, or character was a thing, and new writers would do what they could to pay homage to the original legacy. Like what Peter Jackson did for LOTR. Love your channel, btw.
The new Judge Dredd movie was pretty decent too. It's a shame they didn't get to produce the trilogy like they wanted. 😭
Yes, perfect! PJ's LOTR trilogy is motion picture magic at its best, IMO. All because he stayed mostly true to canon, admitted when he made changes and tried to make them not derail things too badly, and also made it a point to not include any modern references so as to render his take effectively timeless. As opposed to a certain piece of hot garbage on Amazon Prime Video right now that is deservedly dying a thousand deaths because woke activists don't know when to leave well enough alone.
I watch very little modern television/movies. This is a reminder why. Makes it very easy to catch up on a backlog of films and television from an era that isn't looking to be offended by something.
Make sure to buy physical media before they erase history
same...I have given up on modern film/tv.....if it ain't old I don't watch it
I agree. Me and my friends only watch shit from 20 years ago + anime ( mostly because anime is untouched by modern politics. It's all about FUN ).
I'm black and i can't stand the amount of woke shit being shoved down our throats in western entertainment.
The number of dvd/bluray I've been buying lately is stellar! And I had so much already. I don't watch any tv/streaming.....F off!
Ace Ventura culd never be filmed today.
There's a lot of good, progressive stuff in Conan stories that I think pushed culture in the right direction. In several cases, when there's a woman in charge he freely assumes the position of their second in command and willingly follows them. In A Witch Shall Be Born, he starts the story as a queen's general, and when she is deposed he undertakes herculean efforts to restore her to power for no reasons other than he respects her and it's his job. Progressives ignore the seeds of liberal thought to their detriment. They have no idea how we got to where we are because they discard the entire past as "not good enough."
Conan is like Mad Max he doesn't need an origin, just throw him into a hairy situation get some popcorn and enjoy the carnage. Bonus points if you can somehow get The Hu to guest as traveling bards or something.
I think a lot of people posting their comments didn’t actually watch the video. Amazon were going to do a great Conan, one that was true to the character - Andre specifically stated that the scripts Condall wrote were amazingly good and true to the source material.
It’s because the Conan series was so true to the source material that it got cancelled. If it was woke garbage like Wheel of Time or Rangs of Power (‘hearing some talk about my giiiiirl Galadrigal!111’) Amazon wouldn’t have cancelled it. Or to be more precise, Jennifer Salke wouldn’t have cancelled it. She is responsible for the direction Amazon has taken. Direct your ire towards her.
Whether or not the Netflix series is any good, we won’t get to see what Condall wrote, and that’s a real shame. Feminazis like Salke are actively destroying our culture, ensuring that the properties we love are either corrupted by woke ideology or cancelled. She’s an absolutely abhorrent person.
Totally agree. If only we had a world without leftists in it we would have a paradise on Earth.
>Netflix
So ethnic tribes won't exist and every faction, tribe, and nation will look exactly the same apart from clothing.
After seeing the kind of writers that work for Amazon based on ROP I have no idea why you would trust the claim that they were gonna “do Conan right.”
@@timberwolfdan5910 did you watch Midnight Edge’s video about this? The one referenced in this video? I believe the claim because it was made by Andre, and the scripts were written by Ryan Condall. The fact that the show was cancelled for toxic masculinity is itself proof that they were gonna do Conan right.
I did a little research on Nellie Andreeva and honestly, nothing stands out as having an agenda of the woke-type. Most of her work is journalism not show writing but nothing says she couldn't do a good job. Honestly, I'd have been fine checking out the planned Conan. Sucks it got canned
Thank CROM that Amazon did. No telling what they would do to Conan. Seriously, Conan the Wokebarian? Hell nah!!!!
Conan, the king of respecting your feelings, lmao.
Look at the Marvel comic, where he steps back, and lets a group of barwenches and whores do the fighting.
Just imagine a non-binary transsexual Conan in they quest to defeat the empowered lesbian she-witch Thulsa Doom with the help of the totally African Warrior Red Sonja. 😈
Wokenan the BarBrokeian.
Amazon would probably make it Conanne
Melonie you have a GREAT point with the new "origin" stories, they DO want to change what they don't like. I will look at new origin adaptations differently now
I love a good backstory as much as the next guy. But Melonie does make a very good point, that it's become this vehicle for rewriting characters from the ground up. Honestly I think part of the appeal of Conan is that Cimmeria and thus Conan's origins are so mysterious. Conan is the only example of his people we ever see in Howard's writings. All we really know about them is that they're a fierce warrior people who've never been conquered, they excel at climbing and that they worship a very grim pantheon of Gods. Conan is a drifter who has somehow found his way to civilized lands and fallen in with thieves, mercenaries or bandits depending on the story. Really that's all we need to know about him.
Yes, it is a great point which could have been make...40 years ago. As in literally 40 years ago when EXACTLY that was done in 1982 with the Conan movie. They created a whole new "origin" story for the exactly reasons she described. This is nothing new. This is no new "agenda". This has been going on for longer than Melonie has been alive (at least my assumption based on how she looks). So if you haven't figured this out in, at the very least, the last 40 years.... why bother looking at things differently now?
@@paulmiller7838 Because people change their minds when they receive information. Very dumb to think just because peoppe werent born 40 years ago or didn't have knowledge of something when they were 2 years old them they can't change their minds.
@@GsusCrust It is also pretty dumb to think that just because someone pointed out a practice which is many decades old and calling it new on a video based on an article whose very title is filled with propaganda and loaded language to push a narrative of unverifiable garbage as a solid reason to change ones mind about how they view everything. Perhaps it would be more logical to look at the facts and learn some history before claiming that things are "very dumb" because they were inconvenient to you. She started this video by pulling up a biased propaganda article and based the video on that, which is pretty sad to be honest. But by all means, let the propaganda "change your mind".
Yeah, I remember the days when I looked forward to a film adaptation to a book or story I loved.....Now, after having my "expectations subverted" by the film industry so many times, my expectations have shifted to such a degree that whenever I hear about an upcoming movie or series, five words immediately enter my mind "I bet that's gonna suck!" And if they ever decide to do a 180 and abandon this crap, one thing they're going to find out is that it's *a lot* easier to burn bridges than it is to build them! They've gone out of their way to alienate and degrade their fandoms and paying customers, and people are hard pressed to forget stuff like that.....Like Sisyphus from Greek mythology, they're going to find that boulder *pretty* difficult to roll up the hill! They're going to find reaching out to fans, apologizing and getting them to return will be a constant uphill battle, as their efforts are rejected, putting them back where they started. Oh well......They brought it on themselves!
Nah they'll be fine. People are still paying lmao. Not me but plenty of others
“He is Conan, Cimmerian, he won’t cry, so I cry for him.”
Conan 1982: What is best in life?
To crush your enemies. See them driven before you. And to hear the lamentations of their women.
Conan 2022: What is best in life?
To order a vegan burger, take a picture of it and upload it to Instagram.
Wrong!
@@SeraphimRoad Well it can't be a fleet horse, falcons at your wrist or wind in your hair, either.
hahahaha. and they would give him a man bun too and a dress!
Wasn't there a Conan movie in 2011 with Jason Momoa wich was allright if not forgetable. as in you watch it with a few friends, a couple of beers and forget it when you turn off the tv.
@@khululyp There was but it was kinda bad. It really had nothing to do with Conan other than the character being called Conan. The problem is Momoa is a great guy, and has a great look, nothing bad to say about him as a person.... but he can't act. Especially not with a weak script.
Conan cancelled because men not good enough. Fixed it. I'm available anytime for a constantly increasing price.
I hope that we can all look back on this many years from now and see how completely idiotic this all is.
I'm so gawdamn sick of everything trying to be 'woke' now.
It's exhausting.
Thank you Melonie for covering this media.
How are you not going crazy?
It's not being "woke." It's being anti-inclusive. Being woke is a good thing. People don't know what the word means anymore.
Hail Melanie. I too am glad that Amazon won't be ruining Conan. Instead, Netflix will ruin it instead. 😞 I'm a "toxic male" in my 50s and have been a fan of Robert E. Howard (creator of Conan) since I was a kid. Amazon's attempt to become an entertainment platform has become a horrendous joke. But...Netflix gave us "Cuties". I don't think anything Hollywood (including the streaming services) will ever change.
I always thought it was kinda cool that in the Howard stories there's never a Conan origin story. You just get bits and pieces on his journey from barbarian to king.
This is GOOD NEWS. Amazon would have rebooted Conan as a half-Asian/half-African, trans dwarf with obesity... who somehow wields a massive blade and kills 200lb+ warriors.
I prefer Arnie.
Coma'am the Wokebarian
Which is actually funny because for once race swapping might have actually not have been an insult to the Creator’s work. Hyperboria is England according to Howard, but in every story he’s described as anything but proto-English tribes depending on how Howard felt that day.
You forgot pregnant black shemale of colour and uses Ze/Zim/Zir pronouns. Oh, and Ze also gives a gurl boss speech about things being good when they fit a woman, but also that you can't define what a woman is, and that er...patriarchy bad, abortion good, and nipples are empowerment or something
I dunno . . . I might actually pay money just for a sneak peek at such an atrocity purely out of curiosity on how they will carry it out. Never underestimate the power of Hollywood fan-baiting. 😁
Hopefully, they turned Conan into a woman just piss you guys off.
2011: there's a new Conan show
Audience: Yay!!
2022: the planned Conan show is canceled
Audience: Yay!!
I didn't even know that they were going to make a Conan TV show. But it would have been crap, or the actual main character would be a woman who is the key to everything. And she actually saves the day and Conan would be a supporting charater. I remember liking the Conan movies. Some people don't realize that a man created Wonder Woman. And she's a beloved DC character by both men and women.
If Conan was done right I would like to see it. I wouldn't mind see a John Carter of Mars series. If it was done right. I'm tired of the toxic masculinity phrase. Great to see ya Mel. Thanks for keeping me informed.
The 1st time I ve saw a video by this lady!! Ty,ty ,ty! Very smart young lady!!! Just when I was about to give up hope for anyone under age of 50! Love you girl! Keep speaking truth and I will keep trashing the WOKE!
"I'm a tom boy & I don't even feel I'm equipped for that". I laughed.
Conan the Barbarian is a masterpiece they will never make a movie like it ever again.
Just the music + Arnie makes it.
Hollywood has not made an original massively big action movie since possibly the 90s and the 80s both full of awesome movies. All they do now is try to do remakes or sequels.
Of course they will.
Robert E Howard is my favourite author so this makes me happy. I don't trust any of the modern studios to do Conan properly. Recommend that people read the original short stories if they haven't already, and also to check out some of his other characters like Kull, Solomon Kane and El Borak
Are you happy that they are f... this up at Netflix ? And yes Robert E. Howard is my favourite author too.
You guys have good taste. I only knew Conan from film and comics. Read some Robert E Howard recently and went totally into the zone and flow. What a great writer he was.
@@TrueBagPipeRock I have been reading Conan books since the late 80s and only 15 years ago since the reprints i was able to get my hands on the original Robert E. Howard stories in english. But i have a question: Have you found Robert E. Howard through Midnight's Edge or Razorfist ?
@@TrueBagPipeRock Yup, he indeed was ! One of the very best Sword & Sorcery authors ever !
Same and same.
Conan the Barbarian was a classic manly man's movie. A prehistoric pre-LOTR adventure
You nailed it! My favorite aspect of the first movie is the way it embraced Robert E. Howard's bleak world view where NOTHING could be taken for granted & rewards had to be earned.🎃
Daniel sweet. Exactly! It may not have been accurate to conan the character(honestly, he acts more like Kull.) it perfectly copies the setting and tone Howard wrote.
@@abrahemsamander3967 Well it certainly was not accurate to Conan's character from the Howard stories. But it was even further from Kull who was far more of an intellectual and fascinated with things like philosophy which Conan could never tolerate. The character that Arnold portrayed in the movie was just a character made for the movie who happened to share the name Conan...that's about it. The only other similarities they share are the facts that they come from Cimmeria and they worship Crom. That is literally all they share in common. The similarities between that character and Kull.... they are both men?
You're absolutely right. "Origin stories" are code for, "We're going to write a version of the character that has nothing except the name in common with the character we baited you into your seat to watch. Yep. We suckered you in here with the franchise marquee, but that's not what you're gonna get, _SUCKERRR!"_
So done with this kind of shit. I hope we all are, and maybe -- _just maybe_ -- they're figuring that out.
Maybe that's the _real_ reason they canceled their plans to do this to Conan, because maybe they realized that it would be a waste of their money to do this because _nobody_ would watch it.
I have no idea how anyone could make a better or even comperable version of Conan than the 1982 movie staring Arnold Schwarzenegger. That movie is truly a masterpiece.
You probably should read the original books..... :)) And don't tell me you did,....the Schwarzenegger movie was kinda funny, but hardly a reflection of the original Conan character as portrayed by Robert E. Howard.
Arnold Conan was a good movie, but a shit tier conan movie because it wasn't intended to be a conan movie. They got the rights to the movie as his standard sword and sorcery movie was wrapping up production.
@@ChocolateBadness Cool detail - thanks for sharing !
@@MauBast777 I mean it was better then the crap reboot we got with Jason Mamoa lol
Masculinity isn't toxic. It's what makes us run into a burning building to save a stranger.
These clowns couldn’t adapt any fantasy story to save their lives, let alone THE Conan The Barbarian. Writing and adapting fantasy requires the basic acknowledgment that- no matter the level of resemblance- fantasy is not the real world; something people running these projects either can only rarely do or are only rarely allowed to do.
That is sadly very true. Aya Brea, Tifa, Ripley, Samus were all characters I adore to this day, because their stories and personalities are authentic, yet they always stood within the restraints of their own world, which I think was what made them believable.
stories by a woman staring a man, Full Metal Alchemist
Stories written by a man staring a woman- Terminator
Fact: Conan gets saved by multiple courageous women in the R.E.H. stories, he even marries one in gratitude and recognition of her smarts and bravery, and in doing so makes her Queen of Aquilonia. they have children too. That has to have women appeal!
Conan dodged a bullet there. I'm not even going to imagine what they would have done to him.
Conan was far from mindless and he was a savage with a code of honor. Loved the stories the old comics weren't bad either.
Yup. Conan initially wasn't *educated*, but he was extremely intelligent in his own right.
Amazon doesn’t understand fantasy because they never read the books nor understand the tone the writer is using as part of their theme. Tolkien’s writing has lots of poetry, beauty, and humor. Robert e Howard is short concise and brutal in his first story Conan is eating a giant feast like a barbarian gets attacked by a shadow monster which he kills with a magic sword. Hp lovecraft horror centered around horror and helplessness against forces greater than mankind.
And Howard wrote great story driven poetry as well and lets not forget "Eldritch Beings" exist in the Conan Cimmerian Age setting.
Putting aside the amusing concept that a company named "Amazon" hates masculinity, I'm rather glad that they didn't get the opportunity to destroy yet another legacy character.
You know if never noticed that before, good catch.
You give me hope for the world, Melonie. Thanks.
it's more about "what they are" than "what they did" nowadays and it keeps backfiring because the fans care about the latter more than the former, despite what vocal twitter claims (as if they watch the movies and shows and support the creations through and through)
the thing that probably made them the most mad was the theme of "man saves woman from bad guy". removing that from culture is going to have a horrible effect on kids that will be growing up during this time and turning into adults in about 20 years
I have a 2 yo son and I frequently apologize to him for bringing him into such a fucked up world and how bad his life will probably be.
We're already living in a world where a lot of people have no concept of saving anyone from anybody. They have no sense of moral duty to help anyone but themselves. This, of course, serves the corporate overlords well. 😜
Women don't need saving from men. The basic foundation societies are built on is the protection of women & children. Men, however, do need saving from women. We are living in a society (and have been for 60nyears) where women have more rights & power than men. As a result, women are allowed to provoke and prey on men with impunity while playing victim.
I remember reading the old conan comics because my older brother had a few of them. They were often rough and violent on the outside, but also had touching, deeper moments if you cared to read through a story ark.
The MMO that was released back around 2011 also was a small, altough short lived highlight for me. The game had one of the best, most immersive starting areas with great story telling, characters and an overall enjoyable combat system. It's just a shame that the game went downhill from there because funcom, the developer, had the genius idea to distribute their resources across 3 different games which all turned out mediocre at best, instead of making 1 decent game.
With that in mind, maybe it's better that companies like Amazon and Netflix leave Conan alone, but I'd love to see a fan made film or short series.
PS: even back in 2011 there was a controversy surrounding the finishing moves in the game (you could decapitate some enemies) although the game was clearly marketed as 18+ lol.
Age of Conan was a great game, and if you haven't seen it yet you really aught to try out Conan Exiles (also made by Funcom, who own the Conan IP now).
There's no such thing as toxic masculinity. Men need to be as masculine as possible now more then ever
We police toxicity amongst ourselves pretty well, women however promote toxic behaviour more than anything else.
Exactly, toxic men do exist, ie rapists, child abusers, etc, but it was always up to men to handle these situations. That got misinterpreted along the way by extremists and now they label everything masculine as toxic.
It's always gonna be the women and children who suffer the most under male violence, that's a fact we cannot deny.
But that is also the reason why it used to be (and still kinda is) the mens duty to protect their women and children.
Personally (as a Westerner) I don't bother to be chivalrous anymore in my own country. If women want to claim oppression and be like men, they are welcome to do so.
There are still plenty of other countries where male attributes are valued and respected.
@@legendoffupa Dude... that isn't a fact at all. Please tell me who has more deaths in war. Men or Women? Who are more likely to be a murder victim? Both of those are men. Men target men, men are more often victims of male violence. Also when women and children are victims of male violence, they get help. When men are victims, they are told to man up. Men are the ones who suffer the most. Try putting a little more thought into easily observable reality.
I agree, Men just need to be Men, not worry about what the mob thinks if they have a strong moral compass.
Thank you for channel and having courage to speak on this.
Honestly I see this as a blessing in disguise.
And Midnight's Edge told the guy's pilot script was one of the best ever written for Conan.
Amazon Studios is a house of losers. Just not whole losers because Reacher had a pretty solid first season.
Right, Reacher seems like an anomaly. Strong competent man as the lead, capable female character who doesn't need to the men around her to look like fools so she can shine and she's still feminine and a love interest. Black man with a personality and motivation beyond his skin color. It's diverse but naturally so. How adaptations should be done, focus on quality and the rest falls into place
I honestly wish these people would just leave Conan alone, I have zero confidence they can truthfully adapt him in this era hypersensitive and woke bs. But I hope they prove me wrong because I’m a big Conan fan and that fantasy genre
I've just started reading some original Conan stories by Howard. It would make some people's heads explode today.
Apparently there is usually in contract an obligation of some kind for it to be true to the character. Like marvels recent run. They had no choice but to write it normally and couldnt change it.
Well i have the exact same sentiment, but I was told the Netlifx in production show (i know, i know) is actually good. Check Midnight's Edge content on conan. As an example, Amazon studios is awful, but Reacher had a great first season.
“I hope they can prove me wrong”. Lol having hope about adaptations in 2022?
Just walk away dude. You’ll feel less pain when you walk away.
@@Lark88 Right?! That dude was hard core, did not mince words, and didn't give a shit about someone's tender little feelings.
Red Sonja will be good. If I say it enough I believe it will be true. I want another Conan but not if these people are producing it.
Can you please transport me to the universe you live in where a modern Red Sonja has a chance of being good?
@@Helmutlozzi decent director, passable lead actress (good in Revenge or at least you can see the potential), complete rewrite of the script, exclusion of Gail Simone, budget north of 70M... there's hope
I absolutely believe that Red Sonia could be awesome if they let people work on it who are passionate about the character and telling an interesting story, and not some daydreaming Wokeoids who only care about their political agenda.
“If I say it enough I believe it will be true”
Well you only said it once soooooooo
At least they have replaced the actress with that looks more like the character.
What is absolutely insane is that Amazon could be dominating everything if they would just go to the fans if they would just go to regular writers instead of trying to push stuff the kind of money they have they could probably dwarf Marvel well they definitely could now
If I had a nickel for every time a woman saw some art of Conan and thought "eww, toxic and gross"...I'd have a suspicious lack of nickels...
They may swoon, but as a kid when I saw a picture of Sword 'n Sorcery art, I'd go: "this is gonna be good."
Unfortunately most 80s sword 'n sorcery movies were not good, but years later I found out how hilariously entertaining they were! ;)
@@peterjanssen5901 Dude, I thought the same of that trailer as a kid, I mean his sword had 3 blades! I loved that ridiculously stupid ass sword! Even now I still laugh when I remember how anti-climactical it was when they showed how he came to own it...
@@craiggraham4134 Ah! Well, that's the movie the Sword and the Sorcerer. Which is hilarious,. Albert Puyn's finest moment. (Then there was the first Cyborg movie and all the Snu-Snu sequels)
But I meant the genre of "Sword 'n Sorcery" of which Sword and the Sorcerer is just a tiny fraction. ;)
And if you thought Sword and the Sorcerer was kitsch; Wait 'till you check Deathstalker I, II and III, or the Deathstalker movies, Barbarian Queen and Lucio Fulci's Conquest.
What a blast!
Owh, and Wizards of the Lost Kingdom 1 & 2 , both you can find on youtbue. ;)
They made fans happy with Reacher and Terminal List, and would have put even more people front of their Prime subscription. "The message" is that important to them.
I've read Robert E. Howard's Conan and he was a brilliant storyteller but a lot of it doesn't seem like it'd be allowed given Modern Sensibility. I would love a show based on Howard's writing but I don't see how that'd ever be made right now.
What made him also specially is the way he wrote it: it was direct, raw and brought it to the point. For fans of Robert E. Howard, he was gifted for heroic storytelling and died to early to write even more fantastic, heroic and weird tales.
Agreed on both counts.
The irony is the showrunner for this was Ryan Condal and apparently the scripts were really good. Then Amazon kicked him to the curb. Well he went over to HBO and became the showrunner for House of the Dragon and got that show fast into production when HBO was having terrible luck getting any of the GoT prequels off of the ground. So really Condal got to have the last laugh on Amazon.
Conan by Amazon would be a utter disaster !!! Sell it to a company that will be honest with the source material!
Do not DARE touch the King of Aquilonia!!
Arnold Schwarzenegger's Conan in answer to the question "What is best in life?" -
"To crush your enemies. See them driven before you. And to hear the lamentations of their women. "
We can't have that these days now can we? 😅
RIP Genghis Khan
Has anyone else noticed that all these movies are being reimagined and re-released for "modern audiences" and "broad appeal" yet no one seems to like them except a very narrow and financially insignificant sliver of the population?
Probably because _they_ are the "modern audience" they keep talking about and "broad appeal" means everyone who thinks like they do, so they don't see any issue because everything is aimed at them. Everything's pretty much working as intended.
None of them even know what the _actual_ modern audience wants, since audiences today don't seem much different to 10-20 years ago.
Let's be fair here: Conan had one good movie, two bad ones, an okay cartoon series, a bad TV series, and one good soundtrack.
Moreover, they had about 89 clones, the best of which was The Sword and the Sorcerer.
Amazon isn't afraid of 'toxic masculinity,' they're afraid of testosterone.
Nah they are scared of upsetting these extreme feminists and ultra woketards. Thats the issue. They want men and the next generation of men to feel ashamed for being the gender they are and to make them feminine. But a world without masculine men is a world without people doing the really risky jobs, like building skyscrapers, fixing and maintaining power infrastructure and so forth. I’m not saying women aren’t capable either, I’m a father of four daughters there is no job my daughters can’t do. Its just the more risky and dangerous jobs are ones normally done by men.
The movies had very little to do with actual RE Howard's Conan.
I actually thought the Jason Mamoa version was pretty faithful to the Robert Howard vision. Not that faithful makes it better, necessarily, but I thought they did a fair job.
The Arnold version was iconic, but he has a bit of a humorous appeal that I never saw in Conan. Though it made that Conan a bit more accessible, which is good.
It had good stories/books first and tons of great comics!!!
_Two_ okay cartoon series
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I hope Netflix goes through with the Conan series and it sticks to the original Robert E Howard stories. I fell in love with Conan in a college literature class when we studied pulp fiction authors like Howard, Lovecraft, Lin Carter, Sprague de Camp. etc. Carter and De Camp did a good job expanding on Conan from Howard's notes.
Conan is way too awesome, badass and manly for Hollywood. The original books by Robert E. Howard are metal as hell lol.
Arnold is supposed to be starring in a new Conan movie soon. It sounds awesome. He’s an aged King who uses brutality, fear, and intimidation to keep his thrown. It’s meant to be the final chapter in what will be a Conan trilogy and it’s gonna be a testosterone fueled gore fest. I thought they scrapped it but apparently it’s still a go.
Arnold went woke, this movie will suck
Arnold's Conan wasn't real Conan either.
At least it wasn't woke though.
I'll believe it when I see it. It is more likely that they'll have him lactating, breastfeeding the kids while weeping a confession about how he regrets his entire previous life.
King Conan!!!! Fingers crossed.
@@despayre3914 'Fingers crossed?' Christ Almighty are you just not paying attention? The only thing you should be hoping for is that the project gets cancelled before it gets off the ground.
All the "Fantasy" talk scared me. I'm afraid they were trying to shoehorn Conan into the High Fantasy genre instead of the Swords and Sorcery genre that he's always belonged in.
Frankly, I'm VERY pleased by this news because Conan is the epitome of male badassery. Personally, I'd love to see someone like Zack Snyder take on a Conan movie or series! After "300", he proved that he has everything to give it the proper treatment!
Conan does not need an origin story. He just is. He's Conan and that's all we need to know about him.
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Maybe if Gale Ann Hurd or Kathryn Bigelow touched this series we would see a potentially good Conan.
It may keep the woke temperature down.
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Eh. 2022 and we’re still having people push the toxic masculinity talking point….
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Because there is still widespread toxic masculinity.
The closest character to Conan I can think of is Guts from Berserk. Neither character is "toxic" in the least but incredibly masculine both. These people seem to want men weak. Possibly to conquer?
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very good news , as a Conan fan , i appreciate Amazon not doing Conan .They would probably make Conan "to reflect the world we live in today"
There's nothing "mind boggling" about it. Muscle exposure has always been the characters front point of view. Why are people so adamant making up BS on social media? People now a days are so sensitive & damn brittle.
You are obviously unqualified to offer an opinion on Conan at all. I will grant you glorification of strength as a theme, but for Conan (REAL Conan) that serves a purpose - it doesn't just exist in a vacuum.
Adult swim's Primal was the best version of a Conan story we're ever gonna get again.
Agreed. Atleast for a while.
Great observations!
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Been reading the Cimmerian comic adaptations. Having a hard time picturing them wokifying the one where Conan chokes out a Viking Goddess because he's tired of her both harassing him and flicking her bean to dudes killing each other over her.
“So they hired a Karen”😂
I find it most apt that the showrunners for the Amazon Conan ended up doing HotD for HBO to destroy TRoP. I'm a serious lifelong hardcore Conan fan loving the REH stories as a child. I hope Condal et al can do a gritty, aggressive, and barbarous hypermasculine, violent, sexual, raw, and compelling series in the future.
The irony of the “toxic masculinity” accusations from writers is that these same people will write “strong” women with a hyper-masculinity that no actual male character could get away with because it would be too ridiculous a caricature.
Even the most masculine male heroes (like James Bond) smile, make jokes, experience grief and loss, and have moments of vulnerability. Today’s Mary Sue female characters have none of these things - even though they make characters likable and relatable while keeping the masculine side grounded.
The Conan stories by RE Howard are brilliant, and already subversive in their own clever, subtle way. Those who think Conan is “toxic masculinity” genuinely haven’t the most remote understanding of the source material.
“Give me food, so I have strength when the wolves come. Let me die, not in hunger, but in combat!”
Hello, New subscriber here. And yep, I'm a guy, as a Conan fan I thank you for this video, it's perfectly stated, and also if I may, thank you to Amazon for not ruining yet another existing property that is perfectly fine the way it is, Now if Netflix can do it right? Well, I suppose that is another matter for another time. love your channel!
It's ridiculous how companies are scared straight to get cancelled.
At this point I'd be happy with the 1990's animated Conan series as long as Schwarzenegger re-records the dialogue for all 78 episodes.
great coverage Melonie... thank Crom Conan is safe for now.
side note, loving the hair, looks great on you.
Conan is a property that could be a game of thrones like breakout. But they will never do it correctly. It’s a brutal dark fantasy world and it can’t be allowed to be liked
In the Dark Horse comics there's a pretty good origin story for Conan: he becomes the strongest child in the village, fights some wild animals, meets a druid, fights alongside his people vs the Vanir, then leaves to travel the world.
Thank you for the good news, it turns out some things are still scared.
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I can still remember getting excited for new movies. The good old days
Mongol General : What is best in life? Conan : To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.