I'd also like to point out that the form said that the zerg had ZERO awareness, but in game there was an overlord over his natural for the whole time seeing the forge and twilight being chronod.
If you look at the form itself, this dude is simultaneously claiming Zeg are OP because of ulimited vision and that his Zerg opponent had zero awarness. Im not Starcraft Engineer, but something tells me those two thing are bit contradictory.
@@SapphirosCZ I think what he meant was that Zerg is so op that he didn't even use the awareness he possibly had and still win. Like, hey I know he had complete vision, but I know for sure that he didn't make anything out of it. Or, to make a Harstem analogy: Imagine you have have a gun in a fist fight. But you use your gun to hammer on you enemy instead of shooting. So you waste all the potential of a gun and it is still so strong that it gives you a major advantage.
That MMR difference in this replay feels like when a Bronze/Silver player claims something is imba. Like.........my guy, you're just starting to learn the game. You not understanding how to counter doesn't mean something is imba
I'm not used to a Protoss complaining in a Terran fashion, except a Terran would never say they have "a nuanced" build, rather they have "a finely crafted galaxy brain build". Time to see what this replay holds in store then edit this comment.... I couldn't make it through the nuanced moments just in the first 90 seconds of the game, Harstem you god amongst men, thank you for casting/hosting this on YT.
The crazy thing is that he thought he should have won that fight when he was suiciding his zealots into banes and losing stalkers like they're his car keys
Dunno if possible but I would love to have "blind-state-dates" as a format: You bring f.e. Serral at a unwinnable stage of a game in a fight between two master-players and see what he can do. Like drop him in the middle of minute 13, the next big attack happening in 60 seconds, let's see if he can change the course of battle just by his magic :D
Before seeing the game just with the intro, my lunchmoney is on "unexpected nuanced build" meaning "attacking with way too little way too late" 😅 Edit: Spot on 🤣🤣 I just initially that it was a terran whining 🤭
Harstem, you are one of the two best commentators in SC2. Others just chat on irrelevant subjects. You are on point with the match you are commentating. BTW, your humor takes time to get used to (you often belittle yourself in your jokes, which is not so fun). But, once get used to it is a great pleasure to whach your commentaries. Keep it going.
i see a harstem video i click...i hope you know my previous comments were all for giggles not serious lmao... dutch humor is a really good humor to have...its silly and random and just makes you laugh i love it :)....im part dutch myself btw...3rd gen :) fyi...you have too many statues of figures peeing into fountains in your country btw lol
I'm just starting the video but I already see the cognitive dissonance lol. His build is simultaneously OP while zerg is also OP because the build fails. It isn't his build that's bad, oh no, its all because zerg is OP lol. This probably occurs because when it works it gives him a positive feedback loop but when it fails he blames an external source.
I've noticed that in the ZvP matchup, there are certain gimmicks that can help each race. But when either of those races play terran, terran can match those gimmicks.
From the intro image I thought the game will be pvp and author toss is hiding his probe near the opponent's gas, mimikring to its own mining probes. Thus gains vision on the base for entire match
Hey Harstem, You said something about Twitch in this video (around min 12:20) . I agree with you, but im not sure that it's for the same reason. can you expend on that point ?
Unrelated, but the name "GotouDeath" is probably an anime reference; there's a recent anime called Bocchi the Rock where the main character's name is Gotou being pronounced "go-toe" rather than "go to you".
you should add a new rule to the balance complaint form that your complaint cannot contain completely controdictory statments. it just shows that they dont actually understand what happened in the match or why you lost. if you say zerg has unlimited vision and then in the next breath say they have zero awareness, you are obviously clueless as to what you think is imbalanced.
That's just .... nonsense. Making stalker here was better than making immortals, he just used them wrong. But immortals aren't great vs that army either.
@@Broformist oh calm down I'm commenting and liking the video because it's a harstem video and I have it on in the background. Honestly though I still think selectively chronoing a particular upgrade so they finish together is kinda a pedantic criticism on harstems part and I stand by that.
I would rather have 10 zealots at five minutes than 7 at six and an oracle. This build wasn't that good which is a shame cos the damage was good but killing a hatchery is the easiest trade but it's worse. 300 minerals and no drone losses doesn't hurt the economy half as much as a worker line.
Dang... this dude doesnt understand how to take fights. He kept attacking in a ball inside of the zergs concave each time. His army could have at least traded better if he didnt just sit inside the roach concaves...
@@mothrahlurker788 Lol wut? The reason Colossus are rare in PvZ is literally because of the Roach remax. If Protoss was making Colossus, they weren't making Immortals. Upgrades do not define what unit Zerg can remax on & if you think your +1 Lings are going to do better for supply than Roaches... try getting to Masters with that idea & see how it goes.
I didn't watched the video yet, ofc he succ but playing against zerg kinda feels this way that they can take infinite damage and just continuously rebuild with instant reinforcements and you must tryhard twice than them to deal that critital hit to win
And when you play zerg you feel like a punching bag and all you do is rebuild things over and over against some idiot who is barely macroing and has half your economy and oh it's so frustrating..
I'd also like to point out that the form said that the zerg had ZERO awareness, but in game there was an overlord over his natural for the whole time seeing the forge and twilight being chronod.
If you look at the form itself, this dude is simultaneously claiming Zeg are OP because of ulimited vision and that his Zerg opponent had zero awarness. Im not Starcraft Engineer, but something tells me those two thing are bit contradictory.
@@SapphirosCZ I think what he meant was that Zerg is so op that he didn't even use the awareness he possibly had and still win. Like, hey I know he had complete vision, but I know for sure that he didn't make anything out of it.
Or, to make a Harstem analogy: Imagine you have have a gun in a fist fight. But you use your gun to hammer on you enemy instead of shooting. So you waste all the potential of a gun and it is still so strong that it gives you a major advantage.
@@SapphirosCZ I am a profession StarCraft engineer, PSE+*$ certified, and you are correct
The Zerg is literally 500 MMR higher. It's like difference between Serral and, uh, you know, other very good professional player.
Your comment is gold
That MMR difference in this replay feels like when a Bronze/Silver player claims something is imba. Like.........my guy, you're just starting to learn the game. You not understanding how to counter doesn't mean something is imba
We've seen negative micro, but this here was a unique demonstration of negative macro.
It's okay I can do both 🙂
6:57 Now I want the Protoss Build Tier List! Please, would you make one?
Harstem really? Nothing about the zerg's slpit at 20:07... very nice disruptor dodge!
Take a shot everytime Harstem says 'nuance'
It's flowing out of his ears into ours
☠
@@griffingeode i was writing an email while listening to this. They responded telling me how nuanced the message was. It's spreading.
@@bac1308 and so it was in the summer of 2023 when the great nuance occurred. A vaccine was attempted but the plague was... Just too nuanced...
@@bac1308 nice haha :D
Im just at the beginning but when you hear "My build is nuanced" you just know its time to fasten the belts, the ride will be wild :)
Every time the description reads "my build order is ", I know it's bad :)
Gotou beaten by a dragon maid.
How poetic.
Everyone knows that dragon maid >> parasyte, so yeah, pretty expected.
Yeah I'd expect a dragon to easily beat a pink haired girl who can play guitar
4:14 'I do not think you can go to Train by canada'. My brother, what are you saying? :))))
He's right though... Canada is pretty much immovable, so you definitely can't go to train by it. x-D
@@tilmanvogel2387 He is right, but was it necessary to make such a remark? Don't we all know that you cannot travel by Canada? :))))
I'm not used to a Protoss complaining in a Terran fashion, except a Terran would never say they have "a nuanced" build, rather they have "a finely crafted galaxy brain build". Time to see what this replay holds in store then edit this comment.... I couldn't make it through the nuanced moments just in the first 90 seconds of the game, Harstem you god amongst men, thank you for casting/hosting this on YT.
the split screen is awesome...do that more :) really good nobody does that
thas the homie Hamster (not Harstem) for ya
AS a zerg player. I hope more protoss players play like him. Would be nice for easy wins.
The crazy thing is that he thought he should have won that fight when he was suiciding his zealots into banes and losing stalkers like they're his car keys
Wait do you lose your car keys a lot?
@@Iaotle Only when late
The guitar pick analogy made me think of the 3 sea shells from the movie Demolition Man.
the guitar pic joke was epic.
Dunno if possible but I would love to have "blind-state-dates" as a format: You bring f.e. Serral at a unwinnable stage of a game in a fight between two master-players and see what he can do. Like drop him in the middle of minute 13, the next big attack happening in 60 seconds, let's see if he can change the course of battle just by his magic :D
Harstem already did this and he won in every scenario even the "unwinnable" ones. Quite handedly actually
@@testie__111 What? Where can I find this? Thanks!
@@benjamineidam replying so i can find out too
12:30 I just learned, that stasised (or how ever that is spelled) broodlings still die.
Before seeing the game just with the intro, my lunchmoney is on "unexpected nuanced build" meaning "attacking with way too little way too late" 😅
Edit: Spot on 🤣🤣
I just initially that it was a terran whining 🤭
that's part of the build's nuance
Thank you Hamster for your service, you know what you've done
Harstem, you are one of the two best commentators in SC2. Others just chat on irrelevant subjects. You are on point with the match you are commentating.
BTW, your humor takes time to get used to (you often belittle yourself in your jokes, which is not so fun). But, once get used to it is a great pleasure to whach your commentaries.
Keep it going.
i see a harstem video i click...i hope you know my previous comments were all for giggles not serious lmao...
dutch humor is a really good humor to have...its silly and random and just makes you laugh i love it :)....im part dutch myself btw...3rd gen :)
fyi...you have too many statues of figures peeing into fountains in your country btw lol
Our protoss realised he was floating 500 gas and has a phobia of tier 2 units - SENTRIES
I remember GotouDeath from your other imba video! 🤣🤣🤣💀
Captain you've gotten me to play again. Thank you
If you can’t go to train by canada then how do you go to train
That subtle little probe mis-rally clip 😅🤣
damn, the nuance was REAL!
For real REAL build.
18:08 Harstem hasn't heard of the three shells!
With unlimited vision how does he not see him coming?
Probably busy building nuances 😅
I'm just starting the video but I already see the cognitive dissonance lol. His build is simultaneously OP while zerg is also OP because the build fails. It isn't his build that's bad, oh no, its all because zerg is OP lol. This probably occurs because when it works it gives him a positive feedback loop but when it fails he blames an external source.
4:13 No Harstem, you can't travel to train by Canada if you're in Europe
I've noticed that in the ZvP matchup, there are certain gimmicks that can help each race. But when either of those races play terran, terran can match those gimmicks.
We have to assume that though it looks like protoss is making mistakes their build is just too nuanced for us to understand!
From the intro image I thought the game will be pvp and author toss is hiding his probe near the opponent's gas, mimikring to its own mining probes. Thus gains vision on the base for entire match
8:24 Thank you from the bottom of my heart 🙏💙
Hey Harstem,
You said something about Twitch in this video (around min 12:20) . I agree with you, but im not sure that it's for the same reason. can you expend on that point ?
09:35 -- *"Welcome to shiтту math 101, I'm your tutor, Harstem !!" :D*
mate, wtf was that numbers' "logic" ?? xDD
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Poor Gotou, being beaten by dragon maid must be really embarassing xD
Unrelated, but the name "GotouDeath" is probably an anime reference; there's a recent anime called Bocchi the Rock where the main character's name is Gotou being pronounced "go-toe" rather than "go to you".
As the player speaking, it is in reference Go-toh but from the anime parasyte.
@@DelawareBrooks Aaahh
15:07 LMAO Harstem stop blaming your fart on Kevin!!!
When do we get Beating Grandmasters with Nuanced Stuff?
One and a half minute in and you just know Harstem isnt and never could be weeb.
you should add a new rule to the balance complaint form that your complaint cannot contain completely controdictory statments. it just shows that they dont actually understand what happened in the match or why you lost. if you say zerg has unlimited vision and then in the next breath say they have zero awareness, you are obviously clueless as to what you think is imbalanced.
guitar pick for toilet paper, best analogy of the year.
The editor is a God for these videos. Love the quality
i'm only here to see harstem laugh at his own jokes ^.^ it's so wholesome lol
the JIT gas manufacturing opener lmao
HOLY SHIT look at that zergs APM early game.
mans gotta be trying to inflate his stats
"play the music" got me good
Good split by the zerg 20:07
Love you harstem, you so funny and sympathic !!
I agree, but "sympathic" is not used like that in English, you mean "likable" ;)
@@tilmanvogel2387 Ok, i didnt know, its because im french haha
Beating grandmaster with stupid stuff. Delay everything by 30 minerals. Always send two probes to deal with a single task.
Basically it's useless to focus on dealing eco damage if you do more damage to yourself in the process.
12:20 mabey he ment loosing to grand master with smart stuff
This is why you don't reinvent wheel ppl.
What in the Wide World of Sports is nuanced?
a tiny problem that is very annoying
is this another guy fighting a guy with 7 bases against 2 of their own
Please show keybinds
Nuanced, that's the word I was looking for my builds 😂
Blink micro is great unless Zerg has 2x the supply.
You're a content MACHINE!
"Declinced" has made a return 😅
Most of protoss players starring in iodis would win if they made immortals instead of stalkers or basically anything but stalkers
That's just .... nonsense. Making stalker here was better than making immortals, he just used them wrong. But immortals aren't great vs that army either.
Immortals against mass roach is a no brainer
Sarcasm has become you
Is it just me or is "GotouDeath" a name i've heard before...
such a good episode
Harstem at this level of play I'm just happy he is using any chrono
Bruh, that's Masters 2 player, like c'mon man, that one looks little bit silly. Chrono is used only by GMs? xD
I used chrono with my protoss when it was still back in fucking Silver league. What level of play you are on that Master league seems so low for you?
@@Broformist oh calm down I'm commenting and liking the video because it's a harstem video and I have it on in the background. Honestly though I still think selectively chronoing a particular upgrade so they finish together is kinda a pedantic criticism on harstems part and I stand by that.
@@loraxak It's not pedantic at that mmr level at all. What mmr are you?
I would rather have 10 zealots at five minutes than 7 at six and an oracle. This build wasn't that good which is a shame cos the damage was good but killing a hatchery is the easiest trade but it's worse. 300 minerals and no drone losses doesn't hurt the economy half as much as a worker line.
The build was very good, just the execution bad.
Cmon guys, according to the transcript he only said "nuance" 11 times. For an average of once every 2 minutes :P
Guitarpick as toilet paper?
It works almost as good as three seashells
11/10 Nuance
hell ya!!!
Dang... this dude doesnt understand how to take fights. He kept attacking in a ball inside of the zergs concave each time.
His army could have at least traded better if he didnt just sit inside the roach concaves...
Honestly, this feeldsimba, his mistakes were not so big
No GG, huh.
my boy need to slow down and go for achrons and collo's.. play it simple.. his keeping this zerg on lier tech.. gg ez win
Wut? Against the hard counter of mass Roach wtf?? Chargelot-Immortal-Archon below GM.
@@hivetech4903 It was melee upgrades not mass roach. Mass roaches also doesn't hardcounter anything.
Colossus and archons is just not a good idea, way too slow and the zerg would just get viper out. It's a 5k zerg, he can scout and react.
@@mothrahlurker788 Lol wut? The reason Colossus are rare in PvZ is literally because of the Roach remax. If Protoss was making Colossus, they weren't making Immortals.
Upgrades do not define what unit Zerg can remax on & if you think your +1 Lings are going to do better for supply than Roaches... try getting to Masters with that idea & see how it goes.
zerg's
For real FAKE build.
Harstem you always critique your own English, but I'd be willing to bet 20% of your viewership had to google "nuance".
Lol
I haven't played SC for almost 10 years, I'd still play a better game than this guy.
declinced!...?
First again, man send me 10000000£ already im on fire
I didn't watched the video yet, ofc he succ but playing against zerg kinda feels this way that they can take infinite damage and just continuously rebuild with instant reinforcements and you must tryhard twice than them to deal that critital hit to win
And when you play zerg you feel like a punching bag and all you do is rebuild things over and over against some idiot who is barely macroing and has half your economy and oh it's so frustrating..
@@Broformist well with zerg you always have better economy than other races no?
I wish people tried twice as hard at making sentences :/
i mean zerg is op! everyone who says difffrent dont understand the game