And 17EDO (technically 17c or an equivalent interval substitution so that you don't get Dicot which would sound rather weird) sounds good too. And then 16EDO and 23EDO (both on the Mavila temperament) constitute passable minor versions of it.
@@偲旎-o8i Not really -- meantone was defined as tempering both 9/8 (C~D in C major) and 10/9 (D~E in C major) to some intermediate value, and then the rank-2 meantone temperament continues way past this in both directions, technically even out of the diatonic range (5EDO on the sharp end and 7EDO on the flat end). But even if you use the tighter original definition, it extends all the way from Pythagorean tuning (0-comma meantone -- both intervals are 9/8) to 1/2-comma meantone (both intervals are 10/9), so 1/3-comma meantone is in this range, and was historically recognized as being a type of meantone (Giacomo(?) Fogliano, 1529), although not much used in practice, with 1/3-comma meantone showing up later (again in rare use) with Seigneur Dieu ta pitié ua-cam.com/video/wT6-Ndx1EbM/v-deo.html (Guillaume Costeley, 1558).
How exactly are diatonic notes mapped to EDO steps there? It seems that semitones are larger than whole tones, which makes that sound. 16EDO has whole tone 2 steps and semitone 3 steps, and 23EDO has whole tone 3 steps and semitone 4 steps. Am I right?
@@matj12The fifth in those EDOs is so flat that major and minor switch places, because, for instance, three fourths ends up being wider than four fifths minus an octave. I believe it is called an antidiatonic mavila temperament
I really like the concept of changing the tuning systems for different songs to hear how they sound, I wanted to have a go at this tune though I don't really have the right programs/plugins for microtonal things So while I don't really have the right software for the job, here are the subsets of 12 that I can actually try 001010 001010 0011000 111010 (1edo) (alternatively 0021110 for the 3rd part) 001011 001011 0022110 111010 (2edo) 001010 001021 0032221 332121 (3edo) 001021 001032 0043221 443121 (4edo) 001032 001042 0064321 554232 (6edo)
In 16edo the fifths are so flat, and the fourth so sharp, that diatonic harmony basically roleswaps. Minor becomes Major and Major becomes Minor. That is why it sounds minor.
Kind of surprised at how "normal" 20 and 21 sound, but then again, having written and recorded stuff in 15, it probably shouldn't've. For as unstable as the fifths are in such tunings, the brain is liable to accept a certain degree of out-of-tune-ness as a quirk or an ear-perking bit of spice-see the extremely sharp open fifth on the guitar at the beginning of Joy Division's "Disorder".
Very interesting showcase! Would it be ok if I use an excerpt from this video as an example for deviations of the standard 12 TET? I work in a science museum, one of the shows I do is about acoustics, I would love to show people a little taste of microtonality with something they know very well already. I think it can help people understand temperament much easier if I show them Happy Birthday with 2, 7, 12 and maybe 16. Of course I give credit to you UA-cam channel, each time I show it.
How are the notes mapped to EDO steps? I noticed that EDOs 5, 7, 9, 12, 16, 17, 19, 23 are exactly those without accidentals and those which fit well 5 tones + 2 semitones. So I think that these use their variants of the diatonic scale, and others use the available intervals closest to how the song normally sounds.
Because the fifth in both of those edos are so flat, that flats and sharps do the opposite of what they usually do (flats raising pitches and sharps lowering pitches).
I like the extra filler notes in the 24edo section just to remind you that we're not in 12edo.
It's almost unfair how good 19edo sounds amidst the chaos
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It's an approximation of 1/3-comma meantone, of course it sounds good!
And 17EDO (technically 17c or an equivalent interval substitution so that you don't get Dicot which would sound rather weird) sounds good too.
And then 16EDO and 23EDO (both on the Mavila temperament) constitute passable minor versions of it.
Generally speaking 1/3 comma is too flat for meantone
@@偲旎-o8i Not really -- meantone was defined as tempering both 9/8 (C~D in C major) and 10/9 (D~E in C major) to some intermediate value, and then the rank-2 meantone temperament continues way past this in both directions, technically even out of the diatonic range (5EDO on the sharp end and 7EDO on the flat end). But even if you use the tighter original definition, it extends all the way from Pythagorean tuning (0-comma meantone -- both intervals are 9/8) to 1/2-comma meantone (both intervals are 10/9), so 1/3-comma meantone is in this range, and was historically recognized as being a type of meantone (Giacomo(?) Fogliano, 1529), although not much used in practice, with 1/3-comma meantone showing up later (again in rare use) with Seigneur Dieu ta pitié ua-cam.com/video/wT6-Ndx1EbM/v-deo.html (Guillaume Costeley, 1558).
Now put all of these together and it’s me and my coworkers singing happy birthday at the office!
3edo is when you’re singing happy birthday to an augmented triad lol
I like how you varied the arrangement as it went on to keep from getting monotonous :)
That second chord of 9edo hits niiiice
It just sounds better and better over the entire video
Are you sure 13 is better than 12?
4edo is the first one to start sounding like it, and 7edo is the first one to actually sound like it
i think 5 was pretty close
I was going to say something similar.
1:12 that piano in the church backrooms that hasn’t been tuned since the coming of Christ himself
7edo goes hard
That's actually my favorite one, I think.
@@cubicinfinity2 neutral dorian
16edo😂😂😂 sad birthday
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12 edo sounds like what I get after trying to play a song by ear
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23edo is fire
Verry happy birthday
16EDO sounds kinda nice here ngl
It has a real character to it
and 23
How exactly are diatonic notes mapped to EDO steps there? It seems that semitones are larger than whole tones, which makes that sound. 16EDO has whole tone 2 steps and semitone 3 steps, and 23EDO has whole tone 3 steps and semitone 4 steps. Am I right?
@@matj12The fifth in those EDOs is so flat that major and minor switch places, because, for instance, three fourths ends up being wider than four fifths minus an octave. I believe it is called an antidiatonic mavila temperament
8 EDO saddest birthday ever
16edo*
I like the last chord
I think the dominant chords should have been tuned to the 7th harmonic in some edos
i was thinking this too
It’s amazing how you can hear 12 edo also being shockingly very out of tune when compared to few pure intervals
I really like the concept of changing the tuning systems for different songs to hear how they sound, I wanted to have a go at this tune though I don't really have the right programs/plugins for microtonal things
So while I don't really have the right software for the job, here are the subsets of 12 that I can actually try
001010 001010 0011000 111010 (1edo) (alternatively 0021110 for the 3rd part)
001011 001011 0022110 111010 (2edo)
001010 001021 0032221 332121 (3edo)
001021 001032 0043221 443121 (4edo)
001032 001042 0064321 554232 (6edo)
3:00 Happy birthday in minor
In 16edo the fifths are so flat, and the fourth so sharp, that diatonic harmony basically roleswaps. Minor becomes Major and Major becomes Minor.
That is why it sounds minor.
Okay. I don't want anything for my birthday, but for my family to sing one of the more xen ones to me.
The ending chord :)
ok nevermind, i'm sorry 14edo but i must now simp for 15edo
Kind of surprised at how "normal" 20 and 21 sound, but then again, having written and recorded stuff in 15, it probably shouldn't've. For as unstable as the fifths are in such tunings, the brain is liable to accept a certain degree of out-of-tune-ness as a quirk or an ear-perking bit of spice-see the extremely sharp open fifth on the guitar at the beginning of Joy Division's "Disorder".
It feels so dejavu like it's already was posted before.
Very interesting showcase!
Would it be ok if I use an excerpt from this video as an example for deviations of the standard 12 TET?
I work in a science museum, one of the shows I do is about acoustics, I would love to show people a little taste of microtonality with something they know very well already.
I think it can help people understand temperament much easier if I show them Happy Birthday with 2, 7, 12 and maybe 16.
Of course I give credit to you UA-cam channel, each time I show it.
It would me more than okay! I feel honoured that you want to use excerpts of it in a science museum
22 edo sounds like flattone but it’s the opposite
How are the notes mapped to EDO steps? I noticed that EDOs 5, 7, 9, 12, 16, 17, 19, 23 are exactly those without accidentals and those which fit well 5 tones + 2 semitones. So I think that these use their variants of the diatonic scale, and others use the available intervals closest to how the song normally sounds.
9, 16, and 23 are actually antidiatonic - they have 2 large steps and 5 small ones instead of 5 large steps and 2 small ones
Do up to 100 edo but with the first part of twinkle twinkle little star so its not too long
What's up with EDO-16 and EDO-23? They sound like they're in minor key to my ears
Because the fifth in both of those edos are so flat, that flats and sharps do the opposite of what they usually do (flats raising pitches and sharps lowering pitches).
12/17/19/22/24 all sound pretty nice, but 15 is the biggest overperformer for me
12>>>>>>