The state of mich,did nothing. First of all they should have dropped doe tag prices to 5 dollars across the board and a one buck rule for atleast 2 years. I am very disappointed about the lack of concern for the deer herd. It is obvious this is about money.
You don't want the legislature making decisions where wildlife is concerned, it will become more political than it is now. He who throws the most money to the politicians will have their way and you won't have a voice. I've lived in states where one or the other controlled decisions. The states where a regularly appointed board with term limits make decisions based on best known facts have far more to offer than ones where the legislature is in control. Turn it over to politicians the Farm Bureau will lobby for wiping the deer herd out completely!
Sadly the dnr has little say, it's all the NRC nowadays making poor decisions. It's a broken system now because all decisions are based off political influence and not proposal G as voters required.
This is why our hunting numbers In Michigan are declining And hunters myself included are heading out west to hunt. Our state has failed the hunters with A liberal Buck harvest. We should only be harvesting one buck per hunter in that buck should be in the upper class if we want to increase the QUALITY of bucks in this state.
Typical government policies that treat the symptoms, but do not address a cure. Other states with healthier herds have provided a template for Michigan to follow, but it is disregarded due to greed surrounding license revenue.
We have told MI officials for years they should do like Ohio and go to 1 buck and check your county deer records. That will tell you if how many or any for said county doe limits need to be placed.
The main reason for wolf reintroduction and protection in U.P. was to lower the deer herd numbers, no other reason. Their cover story (excuse) is the endangered species act. If they could get away with it you better believe they'd have a large growing population of wolves in the lower peninsula. The nrc wants the deer herd numbers low, their "stakeholders" and lobbyists are demanding it. The nrc members are hand picked by the governor. The common outdoor sportsman is far from the DNRs primary stakeholder, we are very low in the pecking order.
Each hunter has a certain amount of hours they can dedicate to a hunting season. By January I don’t even think about it anymore. If the State is wanting more licenses to be purchased then opening day should be moved to second Saturday in November and end on November 30 each year.
I love how everyone has the answer when they don’t have a clue. Look, insurance companies and insurance lobbyists run the MDNR. They get what they want and the hunter gets the shaft. This is a great way to produce higher kill numbers… if there was the hunters to do it. I know several hunters that used to hunt and never miss a day now they don’t want to bother because of all the rules and restrictions. One old hunter told me, I need to hire a lawyer every year just so I don’t misunderstand the rules and get fined. I understand his point. Right now Michigan is at an all time low for hunters since hunting became a licensed sport given the difference of population differences between then and now. How many guys and girls do you know that USED to hunt. I’ve lost count and the future is not bright. Good luck ladies and gentlemen
The sportsman is a very low priority "stakeholder". All the dnr public meetings (DMI) is just a front to pretend they care about the outdoor sportsman. Heaven forbid they upset our bank rolling them with our license dollars. NRC members are appointed by the governor, they do what they are told which is influenced by special interest groups.
The shop owner is 100 percent correct. He isn’t quite harsh enough imo. DNR are clueless. It’s all about money and serving lobbyists. It’s pretty simple. Age class and buck quality only improve if you let them live longer. Doe population has to be controlled by any means necessary to achieve the correct sex ratio. If you have a 50 acre property with twenty doe you have to kill ten does every year to keep that population from growing. It’s very difficult. Stop charging for doe tags. Implement earn a buck program. Require at least one doe harvest before a buck can be taken. Charge more for buck tags. One buck only with antler restrictions. It’s not that complicated to fix…
Live in Johnson city TN, have a huge issue with the deer living in town, they destroyed my garden, bushes, fruit trees and keep me up at night when they wake up my dogs that sleep with me in bed. During hunting season you have to be a 1,000 feet from a dwelling to use a compound bow, which means hunting is really outlawed and the state has a small bag limit on does, which my neighborhood is completely overwhelmed with. So my next step is starting some kind of class action lawsuit against the state and city for the damages that there deer are costing us said homeowners. The deer have almost totally lost their sense of fear towards humans and show no fear of my dogs behind the fences. I can almost guarantee a deer attack in the community sooner than later, this is no joke, deer can and will attack in certain situations.
God I wish we had somebody in Lansing that had some brains and would know how to pass the right laws Baiting in every state around us but Michigan but if you live in Michigan you have to be punished and you can't throw out a little bit of bait so that you can get a deer using it but all the other states do it so now how stupid does that make Michigan look
We live in the upper peninsula, we are still allowed to bait up here, our property just made the cut off. And the wolf's up here are killing off all our deer, weather people want to believe it or not, it is true, wolf's on my property constantly, and chasing us during deer season. We live on the property we hunt. We hunt for the food, and if you're lucky enough to see a nice buck, which are few and far between in the UP now, you bag it. These new rules are ridiculous, it's all about the money in my opinion
@@censoredAmerican Not that many, seems to be few coyotes , a few bobcats, some bear in the area , but I haven't seen any, where I used to live in Osceola, was full of bear and coyotes, but still had lots of deer, nothing like a number of years ago. Plus almost no hunting only hear a handful of shots all day , I honestly don't know why there is so few deer. have corn fields , hay fields, soybeans etc, I can go months and never see a deer ,
The one buck per season rule is the only way to bring back the quality of bucks in the state. But MI is to greedy to do that. Gotta make 6 figures to even find a place to hunt now days with all the leasing going on. GREED has ruined the sport.
Michigan now has the Deer Manager that Indiana had for many years. These new laws are a carbon copy of what instituted in Indiana. It put our deer herd in the toilet. In 2012 when EHD was rampant he denied that it was state wide only admitting it in September. What was his solution to a desemated herd....no decrease in bonus antlerless permits and let the special extra late season go on as planned. Result was a new state record harvest. A record that in 10 plus years we haven't been within 10000 of since. Thanks Mr Stewart.
I have an idea. Keep the two buck rule but make both 4 points on one side. Then since we are required to buy a rodent license, make that good for doe. Manage doe like small game for two years. Firearm for doe starts October 1rst though the first week of January. Give processors incentive to process doe at a reduced price for the hungry and allow hunters to sell their doe meat. The herd would be reduced by half in two years.
Maybe they do?... Its the only part of rule change that makes since since they want to lower the population. But to me sounds like a money grab. If they would actually take the hunters advice on rule change then they wouldn't have to put on a later doe season then what there already is.
Theirs probably 1000 deer in a 4 mile square....DNR is doing great at increasing the heards IN Isabella Co Mi...deer are Evan helping the farmers harvest early
This why we need to get back a county wide approach and not a statewide approach with management. Many more areas have very few deer in the state. Of course this would take more man power hence more cost and DNR is about making money, not spending it.
Easy to get deer hunters to take more does. They have to tag a couple does before they can get a buck tags. Way to many guys are only after that giant set of horns. Farmers cause them for not shooting what is needed to keep a herd in check.
How about hunting doe with a government sponsored half off of basic doe processing. Take away half the cost to get the meat off the bones, and i guarantee the herd would be corrected. They just worry about the revenue and not the resources!
Oh and antlerless in michigan isn't a doe license, it's antlerless. Anything with antlers under 3in long is fair game, button bucks, small spikes, etc. So a big buck that shed is out of luck and fair game.
In Nebraska (southeast) season's choice permits have been around for decades. Anterless only. Can be used for the particular season opened (e.g. archery, rifle, muzzle loader, late season). A hunter can keep buying permits until quota is met for its region/boundary. AND each permit came with a bonus tag. One year I shot 7 out of 8 tags. Each permit cost $26 (=$13/deer). We process our own because you can buy a lot of beef with what processors charge. You make your money back (grinder, stuffer) in 1 or 2 deer. But then 2010-11 came along and some insect caused a 66% reduction in herd numbers (based upon harvest report). Thirteen years later harvest numbers are still down and fees are now $42 for one but we do see more roadkills. Disease die-off is coming your way if numbers aren't brought down.
There is literally a dead deer at 1 per mile on our roads. Some places more. We have an insane amount of doe per buck ratio and big bucks are few and far
Trophy hunting is not gonna solve the problem. Apr is gonna push guys with limited time to hunt out all together. I'm on board with a one buck tag limit but I as a hunter with limited time do not want to be restricted as to what I take .. that and opportunity is limited any more with the likes of entities like big buck leasing and others turning the sport into a a pay to play situation . Most of us can't afford thier pricing .. ive looked up many of thier lease options and have seen ridiculous pricing upwards of 100 dollars an acre .. more in some places .. might as well hunt high fence operations or like in my case not at all. I'm no fan of the dangers of hunting public land at all ...
Minnesota, 1 buck tag, 2 does, and 2 cwd tag maybe 3 i forgot, rifled up north, shotgun down south, depending on the regulations you hunt at, also we have special hunt for state park deer hunt, been state park hunting for 3 years now, this is my 4th year for state park hunt
I've totalled 3 cars and hit 8 deer in 2 years in 2011- 2012. I was a deer magnet in that short stretch of time. One even hit me. It slammed into my back door while I was doing 45mph.
I think if the State stops giving away hunting land to the developers, It might help generate more hunting. Really when you are sitting in the woods and it sounds like ww3 in a 50 acre parcel its kind of discouraging to want to take your kids out in that. I have lost lots of hunting spots to developers with 500k plus homes, That was once good hunting land.
Here in North Carolina you get 6 tags, 2 Bucks and 4 Does. Yet most take only Bucks not reakizing if your hunting for meat the DOES are far superior for table fare. The bucks fighting and full of hormones from rut meat is tough. We had black tounged take a bunch out years ago and again just a couple years ago. I tried to tell hunting club if they want twice as many does gone we need to comply so they don't over populate no one wanted to kill does and disease thinned them. Herd Still not rebounded from it.
Right now there aren't enough mature bucks to bring hunters to the state and locals are hunting out of state because the hunting sucks. Follow states like Kentucky,Illinois,Iowa,Wisconsin. Improve the hunters probability,and people will buy tags.
State land is now a mess. So much habitat has been clear cut it’s nuts. Vast areas as far as you can see are now stumps and dirt. This pushes deer and hunter into much smaller areas. This causes huge problems for hunters and deer. The current lopsided deer population problems are a product of a micromanagement, mismanagement and an incompetent DNR. Hunters are also responsible to a degree. But if you vote for more government that’s exactly what you’ll get. Politicians never fail on that promise.
In Ionia county we had the 4 pts per side rile for three years and we were really starting to see the difference. Then they pulled it. It’s become the Department of Natural excuses. Money from lobbying controls all in our state. Sound management comes in about 4th
New York put a 3 point rule in and it helped create bigger bucks and increased the herds. At least till the over issuance of doe tags. Montana is following suit. To many doe tags and to many predators. Humans included with a quadruple pop increase. The hunting gets worse every year.
Deer are wild animals, making them very difficult to manage. If the habitat is great and the food supply is high quality the numbers explode, 60% of does have twins and 15% have singles and 25% have triplets. Make sure to stay up on the counts. Iowa didn't and have experienced huge numbers of young deer sl late season antlerless have been issued for over 10 years in the lower 2 tiers of counties across the state.
Deer management ! What a joke !! You mean money management for you pocket , all license and so called management is nothing more than a money grab PERIOD
This DNR is a joke. In Kansas when I hunted there, anyone could buy a doe permit over the counter for 5$. As many as one wants. EVERYONE HAD TO APPLY FOR ABUCK TAG. Resident and nonresident. They hav very good trophy quality there. Michigan DNR lets all hunters get 2 buck tags. Trophy quality in Michigan is CRAP. THANK YOU DNR. 🖕🖕🖕🖕😡
Make the whole of October doe only. People that don’t agree with this really need to consider weather or not they hurt for meat to feed their family or are just a worthless trophy hunter just so they can say “I shot a monster buck”.
Well..man continues to play GOD and and allow nature take its course..They did the same dang thing where I live and suddenly there will be no doe permits ..
No HE DID NOT SAY THAT you "genius"... " I JUST HIT A DEER IN WYOMING IT CAME OUT AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL PLAYGROUND"......... As in hit it with a vehicle.... I hope you don't hunt... You are too "lacking intelligence" to be armed...
Upper michigan should've been under 1 buck law for 10+ yrs now..The DNR do not want to lose revenue for the 1 buck law, this is all it comes down to.
Get rid of the terrible cash grab they have made licensing. Forcing people to buy small game licenses is an outright ripoff.
The state of mich,did nothing. First of all they should have dropped doe tag prices to 5 dollars across the board and a one buck rule for atleast 2 years. I am very disappointed about the lack of concern for the deer herd. It is obvious this is about money.
Look up the guys at painted arrow, they did a video on the vote, the board is completely unorganized and most likely uninformed to say the least.
you think thats bad, ca. fish and wildlife are 10 times worst.
I agree with ya
It's Michigan and your right only the rich. Can hunt now
You mean bought and paid for like a demacrat politicians @@charlie21gunner87
Laws and regulations created by people who we didn't vote for or people who doesn't actually have the hunters best interest or the animals
You don't want the legislature making decisions where wildlife is concerned, it will become more political than it is now. He who throws the most money to the politicians will have their way and you won't have a voice. I've lived in states where one or the other controlled decisions. The states where a regularly appointed board with term limits make decisions based on best known facts have far more to offer than ones where the legislature is in control. Turn it over to politicians the Farm Bureau will lobby for wiping the deer herd out completely!
Chad is on point, if the DNR doesn't listen they can be replaced.
Sadly the dnr has little say, it's all the NRC nowadays making poor decisions. It's a broken system now because all decisions are based off political influence and not proposal G as voters required.
Should have been years ago!
In my opinion they are not the kings deer. Management shouldn't be dictated by the insurance companies.
This is why our hunting numbers In Michigan are declining And hunters myself included are heading out west to hunt. Our state has failed the hunters with A liberal Buck harvest. We should only be harvesting one buck per hunter in that buck should be in the upper class if we want to increase the QUALITY of bucks in this state.
Typical government policies that treat the symptoms, but do not address a cure. Other states with healthier herds have provided a template for Michigan to follow, but it is disregarded due to greed surrounding license revenue.
Dnr works for state farm. Change my mind
Thanks for reporting on this. I have a hunch though that the reporter has never hunted in his life.
I’d guess the Elk in the “Deer management” picture confirms that
We have told MI officials for years they should do like Ohio and go to 1 buck and check your county deer records. That will tell you if how many or any for said county doe limits need to be placed.
WOLVES in the UP...brilliant idea!🙄🙄
Where ever they release those damn things they multiple at a ridiculous rate and decimate the herds
The main reason for wolf reintroduction and protection in U.P. was to lower the deer herd numbers, no other reason.
Their cover story (excuse) is the endangered species act.
If they could get away with it you better believe they'd have a large growing population of wolves in the lower peninsula.
The nrc wants the deer herd numbers low, their "stakeholders" and lobbyists are demanding it. The nrc members are hand picked by the governor.
The common outdoor sportsman is far from the DNRs primary stakeholder, we are very low in the pecking order.
Each hunter has a certain amount of hours they can dedicate to a hunting season. By January I don’t even think about it anymore. If the State is wanting more licenses to be purchased then opening day should be moved to second Saturday in November and end on November 30 each year.
I love how everyone has the answer when they don’t have a clue. Look, insurance companies and insurance lobbyists run the MDNR. They get what they want and the hunter gets the shaft. This is a great way to produce higher kill numbers… if there was the hunters to do it. I know several hunters that used to hunt and never miss a day now they don’t want to bother because of all the rules and restrictions. One old hunter told me, I need to hire a lawyer every year just so I don’t misunderstand the rules and get fined. I understand his point. Right now Michigan is at an all time low for hunters since hunting became a licensed sport given the difference of population differences between then and now. How many guys and girls do you know that USED to hunt. I’ve lost count and the future is not bright. Good luck ladies and gentlemen
You are 100% spot on!
The sportsman is a very low priority "stakeholder". All the dnr public meetings (DMI) is just a front to pretend they care about the outdoor sportsman. Heaven forbid they upset our bank rolling them with our license dollars.
NRC members are appointed by the governor, they do what they are told which is influenced by special interest groups.
Doesn't overturning the Chevron act give more voice to the Constituents of Michigan ? I believe it does.
Leave it to the DNR to mess stuff up.
Too many predators!!
Not enough good habitat.
@@ravenfeather7087we have room for illegals but no room for our wildlife truly a sickening America we live in
The one buck rule works!
Here in North Carolina we get two bucks and 4 does and 2 turkeys a year,
Georgia 10 does 2 bucks
Open up Doe's to bows for free from Aug to end of Sept...or is it always about DNR getting money?
I am not a resident of your state. I would have no problem with it. I don't eat antlers. I prefer doe meat.
Too expensive too hunt...I can buy meat cheaper.....slash prices, stop forcing sm game purchase for eligibility too obtain a deer license
Don't make the mistake of banning physical carcass tagging and in person registration.
Antler restrictions makes more bucks. Bigger ones too. Worked great here in Pa.
The shop owner is 100 percent correct. He isn’t quite harsh enough imo. DNR are clueless. It’s all about money and serving lobbyists. It’s pretty simple. Age class and buck quality only improve if you let them live longer. Doe population has to be controlled by any means necessary to achieve the correct sex ratio. If you have a 50 acre property with twenty doe you have to kill ten does every year to keep that population from growing. It’s very difficult. Stop charging for doe tags. Implement earn a buck program. Require at least one doe harvest before a buck can be taken. Charge more for buck tags. One buck only with antler restrictions. It’s not that complicated to fix…
I have 30 ac. in Mecosta county, haven't seen 20 does in the 10 years I've owned it .
Doe only during liberty hunt and extending a doe season won't do much to help deer herd, they need to take more measures
Live in Johnson city TN, have a huge issue with the deer living in town, they destroyed my garden, bushes, fruit trees and keep me up at night when they wake up my dogs that sleep with me in bed.
During hunting season you have to be a 1,000 feet from a dwelling to use a compound bow, which means hunting is really outlawed and the state has a small bag limit on does, which my neighborhood is completely overwhelmed with.
So my next step is starting some kind of class action lawsuit against the state and city for the damages that there deer are costing us said homeowners.
The deer have almost totally lost their sense of fear towards humans and show no fear of my dogs behind the fences.
I can almost guarantee a deer attack in the community sooner than later, this is no joke, deer can and will attack in certain situations.
God I wish we had somebody in Lansing that had some brains and would know how to pass the right laws Baiting in every state around us but Michigan but if you live in Michigan you have to be punished and you can't throw out a little bit of bait so that you can get a deer using it but all the other states do it so now how stupid does that make Michigan look
We live in the upper peninsula, we are still allowed to bait up here, our property just made the cut off. And the wolf's up here are killing off all our deer, weather people want to believe it or not, it is true, wolf's on my property constantly, and chasing us during deer season. We live on the property we hunt. We hunt for the food, and if you're lucky enough to see a nice buck, which are few and far between in the UP now, you bag it. These new rules are ridiculous, it's all about the money in my opinion
No deer in the north Michigan....
Very few where I live in Mecosta county, worst I have ever seen
Theyre everywhere in macomb and st clair. Lovely
@@censoredAmerican Used to be lots of them here, now they are very few, don't even harm my corn fields, used to be couldn't grow corn
@@robertboyd3863 predators?
@@censoredAmerican Not that many, seems to be few coyotes , a few bobcats, some bear in the area , but I haven't seen any, where I used to live in Osceola, was full of bear and coyotes, but still had lots of deer, nothing like a number of years ago. Plus almost no hunting only hear a handful of shots all day , I honestly don't know why there is so few deer. have corn fields , hay fields, soybeans etc, I can go months and never see a deer ,
This is Preposterous! 😡😡😡
The one buck per season rule is the only way to bring back the quality of bucks in the state. But MI is to greedy to do that. Gotta make 6 figures to even find a place to hunt now days with all the leasing going on. GREED has ruined the sport.
Michigan now has the Deer Manager that Indiana had for many years. These new laws are a carbon copy of what instituted in Indiana. It put our deer herd in the toilet. In 2012 when EHD was rampant he denied that it was state wide only admitting it in September. What was his solution to a desemated herd....no decrease in bonus antlerless permits and let the special extra late season go on as planned. Result was a new state record harvest. A record that in 10 plus years we haven't been within 10000 of since. Thanks Mr Stewart.
It's a big RIP off
That man they interviewed was pretty spot on with some really good points...
I have an idea. Keep the two buck rule but make both 4 points on one side. Then since we are required to buy a rodent license, make that good for doe. Manage doe like small game for two years. Firearm for doe starts October 1rst though the first week of January. Give processors incentive to process doe at a reduced price for the hungry and allow hunters to sell their doe meat. The herd would be reduced by half in two years.
Give Michigan a one buck rule
Are you telling me you were allowed more than one buck during gun season in the past
yup
When was that I don't remember that.
Yeah...late season they say. They don't understand in late season youre killing does already bread with babies.
Maybe they do?... Its the only part of rule change that makes since since they want to lower the population. But to me sounds like a money grab. If they would actually take the hunters advice on rule change then they wouldn't have to put on a later doe season then what there already is.
Theirs probably 1000 deer in a 4 mile square....DNR is doing great at increasing the heards IN Isabella Co Mi...deer are Evan helping the farmers harvest early
This why we need to get back a county wide approach and not a statewide approach with management. Many more areas have very few deer in the state.
Of course this would take more man power hence more cost and DNR is about making money, not spending it.
They did the same thing in Connecticut nows there no deer it's insurance companys lining the pockets of politicians for tag money
It so the insurance companies don’t have payouts
This is not gonna help nobody will liberty hunt no more
Easy to get deer hunters to take more does. They have to tag a couple does before they can get a buck tags. Way to many guys are only after that giant set of horns. Farmers cause them for not shooting what is needed to keep a herd in check.
Cows and cars have horns, deer have antlers
@@user-dg6wo9kh5u goats sheep and antelope also have horns. When you want to seem smarter than someone better be a little more informative
@@Andrew-sanders coming from a cocksucker I guess that’s a compliment.
@@Andrew-sanders i didn’t write that. I’ve been hacked
@@user-dg6wo9kh5u okay hope you get it fixed been there
How about hunting doe with a government sponsored half off of basic doe processing. Take away half the cost to get the meat off the bones, and i guarantee the herd would be corrected. They just worry about the revenue and not the resources!
You guys know you flashed a black tailed doe right? To my knowledge y'all don't have those down there
How do you tell antler less only in January? Most if not all have dropped antlers by then.
Bucks in my area don't drop antlers until March or april.
Should have antlers til end of Feb. or longer. Seen lots of antlers on bucks after Valentine's day.
Bucks and does have very different faces, not really that hard to tell them apart horns or not
Oh and antlerless in michigan isn't a doe license, it's antlerless. Anything with antlers under 3in long is fair game, button bucks, small spikes, etc. So a big buck that shed is out of luck and fair game.
Nope
In Nebraska (southeast) season's choice permits have been around for decades. Anterless only. Can be used for the particular season opened (e.g. archery, rifle, muzzle loader, late season). A hunter can keep buying permits until quota is met for its region/boundary. AND each permit came with a bonus tag. One year I shot 7 out of 8 tags.
Each permit cost $26 (=$13/deer). We process our own because you can buy a lot of beef with what processors charge. You make your money back (grinder, stuffer) in 1 or 2 deer.
But then 2010-11 came along and some insect caused a 66% reduction in herd numbers (based upon harvest report). Thirteen years later harvest numbers are still down and fees are now $42 for one but we do see more roadkills.
Disease die-off is coming your way if numbers aren't brought down.
Happened already about 9 years ago. All we need is a really dry summer and the midges that carry EHD will do their work.
There is literally a dead deer at 1 per mile on our roads. Some places more. We have an insane amount of doe per buck ratio and big bucks are few and far
I think that California should adopt a doe season and do away with the high cost for licence local Hunter
Trophy hunting is not gonna solve the problem. Apr is gonna push guys with limited time to hunt out all together. I'm on board with a one buck tag limit but I as a hunter with limited time do not want to be restricted as to what I take .. that and opportunity is limited any more with the likes of entities like big buck leasing and others turning the sport into a a pay to play situation . Most of us can't afford thier pricing .. ive looked up many of thier lease options and have seen ridiculous pricing upwards of 100 dollars an acre .. more in some places .. might as well hunt high fence operations or like in my case not at all. I'm no fan of the dangers of hunting public land at all ...
Minnesota, 1 buck tag, 2 does, and 2 cwd tag maybe 3 i forgot, rifled up north, shotgun down south, depending on the regulations you hunt at, also we have special hunt for state park deer hunt, been state park hunting for 3 years now, this is my 4th year for state park hunt
I've totalled 3 cars and hit 8 deer in 2 years in 2011- 2012. I was a deer magnet in that short stretch of time. One even hit me. It slammed into my back door while I was doing 45mph.
I think if the State stops giving away hunting land to the developers, It might help generate more hunting. Really when you are sitting in the woods and it sounds like ww3 in a 50 acre parcel its kind of discouraging to want to take your kids out in that. I have lost lots of hunting spots to developers with 500k plus homes, That was once good hunting land.
Here in North Carolina you get 6 tags, 2 Bucks and 4 Does. Yet most take only Bucks not reakizing if your hunting for meat the DOES are far superior for table fare. The bucks fighting and full of hormones from rut meat is tough. We had black tounged take a bunch out years ago and again just a couple years ago. I tried to tell hunting club if they want twice as many does gone we need to comply so they don't over populate no one wanted to kill does and disease thinned them. Herd Still not rebounded from it.
How about add a second season in February for one week for DOAs only
DNR wants money, and that is why they got rid of the other suggested regulations like apr.
Right now there aren't enough mature bucks to bring hunters to the state and locals are hunting out of state because the hunting sucks. Follow states like Kentucky,Illinois,Iowa,Wisconsin. Improve the hunters probability,and people will buy tags.
What is the ratio bucks to does per county???
3:1 is optimal, Michigan is well over 13:1 last I looked...
State land is now a mess. So much habitat has been clear cut it’s nuts. Vast areas as far as you can see are now stumps and dirt. This pushes deer and hunter into much smaller areas. This causes huge problems for hunters and deer.
The current lopsided deer population problems are a product of a micromanagement, mismanagement and an incompetent DNR. Hunters are also responsible to a degree. But if you vote for more government that’s exactly what you’ll get. Politicians never fail on that promise.
In Ionia county we had the 4 pts per side rile for three years and we were really starting to see the difference. Then they pulled it. It’s become the Department of Natural excuses. Money from lobbying controls all in our state. Sound management comes in about 4th
New York put a 3 point rule in and it helped create bigger bucks and increased the herds. At least till the over issuance of doe tags. Montana is following suit. To many doe tags and to many predators. Humans included with a quadruple pop increase. The hunting gets worse every year.
All about the money
There are 50 states, nice to tell us which one up front😢
DNR. Criminal organizations
Land of the Free
ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY
Deer are wild animals, making them very difficult to manage. If the habitat is great and the food supply is high quality the numbers explode, 60% of does have twins and 15% have singles and 25% have triplets. Make sure to stay up on the counts. Iowa didn't and have experienced huge numbers of young deer sl late season antlerless have been issued for over 10 years in the lower 2 tiers of counties across the state.
Michigan whitetail, the cash crop.
Deer management ! What a joke !! You mean money management for you pocket , all license and so called management is nothing more than a money grab PERIOD
This DNR is a joke. In Kansas when I hunted there, anyone could buy a doe permit over the counter for 5$. As many as one wants. EVERYONE HAD TO APPLY FOR ABUCK TAG. Resident and nonresident. They hav very good trophy quality there. Michigan DNR lets all hunters get 2 buck tags. Trophy quality in Michigan is CRAP. THANK YOU DNR. 🖕🖕🖕🖕😡
About time they definitely need to do this!! Trigger control on bucks is needed ! Let them live a couple yrs!!!
BS stick that nonsense , where the sun doesn't shine
Miss baiting
Seen it!!😂😂😂😂
This is what happens when you turn a tradition that was for food and turn it into a sport, "sportsman" only want the bragging rights of that big rack.
You mean people hunt in Mi? Seems like they all come here to IL!
Arkansas 6 deer limit...Still causing car accidents.
Make the whole of October doe only. People that don’t agree with this really need to consider weather or not they hurt for meat to feed their family or are just a worthless trophy hunter just so they can say “I shot a monster buck”.
Well..man continues to play GOD and and allow nature take its course..They did the same dang thing where I live and suddenly there will be no doe permits ..
The man said he shot a deer in the elementary School playground what's this world coming to
No HE DID NOT SAY THAT you "genius"... " I JUST HIT A DEER
IN WYOMING IT CAME OUT AN
ELEMENTARY SCHOOL PLAYGROUND"......... As in hit it with a vehicle.... I hope you don't hunt... You are too "lacking intelligence" to be armed...
He hit it with his vehicle.
Check your doe. For everyone you check, you get put into a raffle, Make the prizes worth it.