I think they just took a survey of specs they thought people would want to play, worked on those, and just scaled the others without even giving them much time (short on resources). For PvE: Affliction, Balance, Marksman, Unholy, Shadowpriest, Windwalker. For PvP: All Paladin specs, Fire Mage, Arms, Windwalker, Shadowpriest. WW and Spriest are shared in both aspects so resources are saved in that regard and protected for the future, leaving only 6 other specs to literally bake every utility ability in the game into them. They left the rest to rot. It seems they’ll only ever have enough resources to manage this few of specs from here on out, as they announced at Blizzconlive “they have very few staff working on WoW”. There’s 33 specs in the game and they’ve made it clear they do not care to even throw the money at trying to balance it. Not now, not ever.
@@Asin24 The damage is good for a balance, in a raid but when not in raid a druid sucks shit, they have 1 fucking defensive as balance that isnt even any good the main issue about druids is that some speccs are OP, while some are so shit in comparison, i mean for a balance the movement skills is one charge then its a fucking CD on them while other classes have atleast 2 charges, also why the fuck dont all drood specs get MotW its fucking idiotic that only one specc gets to cast the buff.
The most ironic thing is that metaslaves never invited boomkins for anything the first few weeks. Then shortly everyone wanted only boomkins overnight. They were the same the whole time, sums up the toxic endgame environment
@Actual Fight fan Raegwyn, he solo'ed every wotlk dungeon during WotLK and managed to solo 10 man Sartharion, he also got the world second solo kill on 25H LK. But he didnt solo an ICC boss during WotLK.
The Danse Macabre started and then bugged. What likely happened is how the transitions are programmed. When a boss hits 50, all the mechanic timers pause until after a dance, but when a boss dies, it resets all of the timers. So when they kill a boss during the danse, all the timers get reset and then resumed when they should have stayed paused.
I think the last time that happened was rogues on Zul during Uldir, and it got nerfed heavily pretty fast because of it. I doubt we will see it again honestly. Blizzard have been careful with potential class stacking abilities for ages now.
Its not " oh they've never been good at anything, they deserve this." When you make the choice to have every tool in the kit then you shouldn't expect to be on the top of the charts.
holy shit the song at 5:30 i remember that. but i cant put my finger onto its name, anyone mind helping me out? its a hardstyle treck that much i know.
Warrior: Condemn / Spin to win spell from PvP Druid: Convoke Pally: Ashen Hollow DK: Slappy Hands DH: Hunt Warlock : Sadge bois Monk: Sadge Bois Priest: MindGames (But only in PvP really from what ive noticed) Hunter: Wild Spirits Shaman: Sadge Bois Shammy, Monk and Lock are the only ones who dont have a "Convoke"
For monks at least, it's because you can get split amongst the covenants. Brew and WW like Kyrian and Weapons of Order is good, but it's a flat Mastery buff. MW can do Kyrian or Necrolord, which again is a buff, but a flat one. Are they less good? I don't know, but they're definitely not as "flashy" as Convoke or Spooky Scary Slappyhands.
I just noticed you listening to hardstyle in the background hahaha i love hardstyle. B front and bass modulators being my favorite try Code black - pandora ;)
Yes thank you, you said something here i've been saying for a long time, in this case about the convoke. So many ppl are always talking about nerfing this and nerfing that, but that takes away some fun out of the game. If something is OP they should lift other classes up to that level instead of nerfing something. Ppl whining about nerfs are asking for less fun in the game for everybody. It's like you don't get any better from someone else getting worse. But if they would lift up certain spells or abilities from other classes to match the power of some OP class or ability, you would feel better after that with your own char and have more fun instead of killing the fun for others and not making anything better for anyone.
Heres the problem with convoke. In the old days when we were gaming with joysticks, some models would have a button you could switch on called "autofire". It would litteraly push the button for you. Thats what convoke is, autofire. You push one button and the game plays your character for you. Its a complete joke. No skill involved in that ability whatsoever.
@@Danishdrums I see what you mean but nowadays hardly any serious player palys convoke anymore because it's easy to counter, stun, silence, kick, scatter etc. etc. But i agree it's kinda autofire, which is why they should upgrade some other class abilities too to match it imo. Nerfing almost never makes the game more fun.
@@andriesvanr3422 Yeah I know its easy to counter it. I think the problem is merely its existence. It so caters to people who want the easy way out, which is one of the true problems of modern wow. People choose easy mode and think thats a competitive mindset, when in reality its in defying the odds where the true skills lie.
TBC Classic - where your class’ viability is already known to you. You can SAFELY play your class of choice, doing the research you would have done for retail anyways. Except the difference is you won’t have Blizzard pull the rug out from underneath your class like they did both my main and my SL boosted alt.
It's hard if you don't have the gear because you're pushing the raid tier for the first time, but after that, not so much. They are all over geared for heroic.
The whole expansion has been easy mode for ranged to the point where they get snowflake stressed when asked to empty a canister or walk together in a raid
Hmm... I wonder...maybe a update so if bosses detect to many of that spell the reflect or take reduced damage, or maybe boosted hp. Maybe it won’t b changed
The only sad button for them on fights like Sun King's, is they can't innervate another non-healer. Has to be a healer, I think that applies even if the Balance dudu is sitting in HOTW. So rip innervate xD
@@gentle_singularity I’m going to have to disagree, fire mage with their 1-minute burst window, affliction warlock and shadow priest with their ridiculous single target, and mm hunter is still pretty decent through all of their nerfs (which I personally disagree with) but outside of convoke unless boomkins hit a crit star surge, they’re meh
@@kail_6019 based on what statistics fire mage beats all? According to second week's parces druid and lock have the same score and they are just a bit ahead of elemental shaman, shadow priest and fire mage who have the same score.
@@kail_6019 if you check many games from the last mdi you ll find out that mage is indeed doing 20% and in some cases 30% more dmg than the second dps. So in the best case scenario where the group is pulling like crazy , the pi and priest cov is cast on mage and the whole dungeon route and pulls are done around mage's combustion window and I repeat in the best case scenario ,yeah the mage is ahead by that amount. Which means that in every other case , where everyone is on same ilvl and skill and the pulls are normal and there is no pi , mage is not near that % amount . And I don't know about you , but I prefer the balance tuning to be done around the 95% of the player base and not the mdi or the 300 people that doing 22+
They're all wearing mythic raiding gear with all the best upgrades in the game, if they weren't able to clear heroic difficulty with this kind of coordination the raid would be overtuned as fuck, not to mention what's really broken here is that the DH is solo tanking every boss with no healers
If you wanna see a funky comp kill a boss, get some of your streamer friends together and do a 40 warriors razuvious, rotate LIP challenging shouts, blow all CDs on/pre pull. Only has 2M hp, dead in 15 seconds. If no streamer does this before classic is done I will be sorely disappointed in all of you.
Gingi is cringe.
Gingi is god.
Gingi is cringey
No u
Imagine dying to Heroic mechanics :D
who?
Just some bots who got lost while picking flowers.. It happens
😂😂😂
Bro thank God for bots when that kill 20 level 60s in shadowlands came around.
Right !! Move along folks ain’t anything to see here
Blizzard can't balance something named Balance.
Ironic.
I think they just took a survey of specs they thought people would want to play, worked on those, and just scaled the others without even giving them much time (short on resources).
For PvE: Affliction, Balance, Marksman, Unholy, Shadowpriest, Windwalker.
For PvP: All Paladin specs, Fire Mage, Arms, Windwalker, Shadowpriest.
WW and Spriest are shared in both aspects so resources are saved in that regard and protected for the future, leaving only 6 other specs to literally bake every utility ability in the game into them. They left the rest to rot. It seems they’ll only ever have enough resources to manage this few of specs from here on out, as they announced at Blizzconlive “they have very few staff working on WoW”.
There’s 33 specs in the game and they’ve made it clear they do not care to even throw the money at trying to balance it. Not now, not ever.
See, the reason is they looked at Balance druid and saw it said Balance, so they thought they had already did the Balance pass on the specc.
@@Asin24 The damage is good for a balance, in a raid but when not in raid a druid sucks shit, they have 1 fucking defensive as balance that isnt even any good the main issue about druids is that some speccs are OP, while some are so shit in comparison, i mean for a balance the movement skills is one charge then its a fucking CD on them while other classes have atleast 2 charges, also why the fuck dont all drood specs get MotW its fucking idiotic that only one specc gets to cast the buff.
Asmongold, on his roof, shaking his fist at the sky,
*_"MOOOOOOOOON BOOOOOOOOOOOIS!!!"_*
This is what you get when you have two people working on the game
@ go fuck yourself you and your spec and blizzard.
@@arissp4950 Found the Survival Hunter.
@@Kryoxys warrior
@@arissp4950 prot?
@@alaszrar6202 all three
The most ironic thing is that metaslaves never invited boomkins for anything the first few weeks. Then shortly everyone wanted only boomkins overnight. They were the same the whole time, sums up the toxic endgame environment
sooo
its 28 boomkins, each casting 15 spells on convoke, that is 420 spells
nice
16*
@@kail_6019 448, less, but still spectacular :D
Guess you can say that classes are...
*Balanced.*
I honestly thought you were going to say 'Booming' but that is just as good lol
Reminds me of back in WoD when BDKs were so good, that a group of 10 BDKs took down heroic Blackhand in BRF.
Best spec I played in any expansion. To this day.
@Actual Fight fan Raegwyn, he solo'ed every wotlk dungeon during WotLK and managed to solo 10 man Sartharion, he also got the world second solo kill on 25H LK. But he didnt solo an ICC boss during WotLK.
“That’s not a Solar Beam; that’s a Sun Beam.”
Yup.
LOL “Shut up your the intern. That’s not gonna happen!”
Hahahahaha i bet that’s eggxactly what happened
They might as well have been shooting chocolate at the dog... 🤣
I maybe stupid but what does it really mean?
@@DemonXT Chocolate is toxic to dogs, can make them significantly ill
@Aqua thank you dude^^
the game is so bugged that the boss MUST be alive for the Danse Macabre to happen, but they killed Freida before it can register.
The Danse Macabre started and then bugged. What likely happened is how the transitions are programmed. When a boss hits 50, all the mechanic timers pause until after a dance, but when a boss dies, it resets all of the timers. So when they kill a boss during the danse, all the timers get reset and then resumed when they should have stayed paused.
1 DH for tank and 1 mage for lust lol.
actually the dh's role is both tanking and the 5% increased magic damage
And int buff
Waiting for a guild to use stackraid in world first race.
I think the last time that happened was rogues on Zul during Uldir, and it got nerfed heavily pretty fast because of it. I doubt we will see it again honestly. Blizzard have been careful with potential class stacking abilities for ages now.
I think stackraid needs high ilvl. Believe me that if 20 healers were a better option, every top guild would go 20 healers😂
when i started expac i didnt play boomkin becuase i thought 100% it would get nerfed. great job blizz
No Blizz nerf MM hunter and WW monk instead..
They nerfed WW and it's still like Top Melee?
Didnt they fix some ww bugs that were causing them to deal too much dmg? Same to hunters
In the Maw, the Chickens cook you
Now that's some nice Hardstyle in the background ♥️
"all classes should have something that makes them feel like Druids feel whenever they use Convoke". Warriors have Recklessness, right? (cries)
DH had the hunt, then they nerfed it. No one can have the ability to one shot except for rogues and druids...which can one shot 1v3
@@cmac1112 boomy was literally a dampening spec since like cata bro calm down
Its not " oh they've never been good at anything, they deserve this." When you make the choice to have every tool in the kit then you shouldn't expect to be on the top of the charts.
The best part of the video: Hardstyle in Asmon's video because the streamer played some in the stream :D
I honestly don't know what is worse. The state of Convoke or Ret Paladins.
Imagine doing this with 28 actual raid geared moonkings. Those convokes were 1/3 what they could have been.
i think they were geared
Yeah, 227 ilvl isn't high enough. Lulz.
There's a shadow priest video as well.
holy shit the song at 5:30 i remember that. but i cant put my finger onto its name, anyone mind helping me out? its a hardstyle treck that much i know.
I would like to see 30 venthyr (holy) paladins. See how much ashen can do
I did a raid with ruin--30 tanks--we stacked the stamina conduit and we all had 1 to 3 million hp each.
28 boomkins complete castle nathria: this is broken
1 warrior completes mythic castle nathria: this is fine
What do you mean 1 warrior against mythic nathria how is that possible
@@jesseg2282 It’s some shit joke about how Asmon mains warrior so a full HC clear with 28 boomies doesn’t mean boomies are busted.
Blizz "Let's buff arms , nerf hunter"
Sir I think that raid is too hard for our casual Players!. Blizzard Rep: Don't you all have Boomkins?
Wait, they still haven't nerfed boomkins after all this time?
Warrior: Condemn / Spin to win spell from PvP
Druid: Convoke
Pally: Ashen Hollow
DK: Slappy Hands
DH: Hunt
Warlock : Sadge bois
Monk: Sadge Bois
Priest: MindGames (But only in PvP really from what ive noticed)
Hunter: Wild Spirits
Shaman: Sadge Bois
Shammy, Monk and Lock are the only ones who dont have a "Convoke"
For monks at least, it's because you can get split amongst the covenants. Brew and WW like Kyrian and Weapons of Order is good, but it's a flat Mastery buff. MW can do Kyrian or Necrolord, which again is a buff, but a flat one. Are they less good? I don't know, but they're definitely not as "flashy" as Convoke or Spooky Scary Slappyhands.
@@reboundTTV agreed. Every class should have some button that makes them look like a god for a moment.
This brings me back to full nighthold raids with a full warlock party.
I just noticed you listening to hardstyle in the background hahaha i love hardstyle. B front and bass modulators being my favorite try Code black - pandora ;)
It's the zero 2 meme song but now everything including afk arena uses it lmao
I can see some full moons in there on the convoke phase... I thought they removed it from being randomly casted.
only in pvp
That's only in PVP
@@sergiobernardino8719 Oow it was only in PvP.. Thanks!!
Asmond doesn’t have AOTC?
What's the song at 14:57?
I did 1k dps on Sartura last week on an Ele Shaman and the logs didn't accept it. 5 99s in AQ, feels bad.
Idk why but I lost it at "can warriors do that?" 😂👌
Yes thank you, you said something here i've been saying for a long time, in this case about the convoke. So many ppl are always talking about nerfing this and nerfing that, but that takes away some fun out of the game. If something is OP they should lift other classes up to that level instead of nerfing something. Ppl whining about nerfs are asking for less fun in the game for everybody. It's like you don't get any better from someone else getting worse. But if they would lift up certain spells or abilities from other classes to match the power of some OP class or ability, you would feel better after that with your own char and have more fun instead of killing the fun for others and not making anything better for anyone.
Heres the problem with convoke. In the old days when we were gaming with joysticks, some models would have a button you could switch on called "autofire". It would litteraly push the button for you. Thats what convoke is, autofire. You push one button and the game plays your character for you. Its a complete joke. No skill involved in that ability whatsoever.
@@Danishdrums I see what you mean but nowadays hardly any serious player palys convoke anymore because it's easy to counter, stun, silence, kick, scatter etc. etc. But i agree it's kinda autofire, which is why they should upgrade some other class abilities too to match it imo. Nerfing almost never makes the game more fun.
@@andriesvanr3422 Yeah I know its easy to counter it. I think the problem is merely its existence. It so caters to people who want the easy way out, which is one of the true problems of modern wow. People choose easy mode and think thats a competitive mindset, when in reality its in defying the odds where the true skills lie.
@@Danishdrums agreed. Maximum result with minimum effort seems to be the way to go for a lot of ppl unfortunately. Too bad blizzard facilitates that.
@@Danishdrums have you played balance druid?
For balance, I'd love to see the bottom of the barrel, trashcan dps spec stacked 28 times and see how they go doing the same thing
TBC Classic - where your class’ viability is already known to you. You can SAFELY play your class of choice, doing the research you would have done for retail anyways. Except the difference is you won’t have Blizzard pull the rug out from underneath your class like they did both my main and my SL boosted alt.
They already made changes inTBC classic. Paladins are one.
@@robertAnthonyColon yea, that everyone asked for and Blizzard openly apologized for way back in 2005.
2007, it’s been a while.
My guild wanted to try this with all venthyr prot paladins for multiple permanent ashen hollows throughout the whole fight
The fact they can all pull 10k dmg shows how hard it is
It's hard if you don't have the gear because you're pushing the raid tier for the first time, but after that, not so much. They are all over geared for heroic.
Yo can warriors do this? Asking for a friend....
Would be cool to see a berserking warrior do 16 attacks. They look like a Vyrkul and covered in flames while the animations go out, brooooo
Raiding favors ranged so much, this was the ultimate destination
The whole expansion has been easy mode for ranged to the point where they get snowflake stressed when asked to empty a canister or walk together in a raid
Imagine Treants could spot the bosses...
His aotc? His attack of the clones?
no wonder when 28 droods can cast their damage and heals at almost the same time, that is som sick fucking HoT:s,
Hmm... I wonder...maybe a update so if bosses detect to many of that spell the reflect or take reduced damage, or maybe boosted hp. Maybe it won’t b changed
The only sad button for them on fights like Sun King's, is they can't innervate another non-healer. Has to be a healer, I think that applies even if the Balance dudu is sitting in HOTW. So rip innervate xD
So anyone noticed that the DH vengeance is solo tanking the raid boss without a healer for a heroic raid?
they have like 14 healers with 28 moonkins :D
28 resto affinity moonkins...
My raid has 4 balance druids and we are 10/10H and 1/10M
4 is a little too much, they’re kind of bad outside of convoke
@@gentle_singularity I’m going to have to disagree, fire mage with their 1-minute burst window, affliction warlock and shadow priest with their ridiculous single target, and mm hunter is still pretty decent through all of their nerfs (which I personally disagree with) but outside of convoke unless boomkins hit a crit star surge, they’re meh
Druids... Druids everywhere
I though i have explored SL. Gingi just discovered a new zone.
why is in the que ? i dont understand
I think what this game needs is more....wait for it.... balance.
The funny thing is they could get banned for “having fun”
Imagine destro lock with a convoke like ability for chaos bolt lol
Imagine Symbiosis , giving convoke to Destro lock 👁️👄👁️ that's why it was deleted
He's mad he didn't think of it first
Asmo thinks the tiktok music is from afk arena ? XD
What game is he talking about playing?
boomkin called "balance" drood is the biggest joke for 3 expansions wow dev' ever made.
what game is he trying to log into?
28 Boomies would wreck just about anything in the game at this point, and this raid has 28 healers as well
omgealul boomie op like wowzors. meanwhile DH solo tanks without healer and no one bats an eye.
Well they got "nerfed" they had a bug that reduced magic damage by 15%.
They all had restoration affinity and gave him a rejuvenation. 28 moonkin rejuvs heal for a lot.
Plus convoke also casts some heal spells.
You can see the druids spamming heals.
literally 28 off healers keeping up an overgeared dh... what's your point again?
For artificier I just play feral and outrun the gravity pull thing :)
It just works
B a L a N c E D G a M e
Yeah, balance druids
I mean it is heroic and everyone is bascially bis geared.
@@spelking5 EXACTLY
@@spelking5 and press litteraly 1 button.
They should do this for evry class! Then maybe WoW will be fun
This is why heroic raid logs are always skewed lmao
Aka asmon doesn’t know how any classes play after playing for 20 years.
And they still won't nerf it
there is nothing to nerf here. The raid is outgeared
@@lefgia Maybe but still Fire mage and Balans druid beat all need some nerf
@@kail_6019 based on what statistics fire mage beats all? According to second week's parces druid and lock have the same score and they are just a bit ahead of elemental shaman, shadow priest and fire mage who have the same score.
@@lefgia Fire maybe have 20% + more Aoe than other in M+ OP Combustion no target cap decent utility
@@kail_6019 if you check many games from the last mdi you ll find out that mage is indeed doing 20% and in some cases 30% more dmg than the second dps. So in the best case scenario where the group is pulling like crazy , the pi and priest cov is cast on mage and the whole dungeon route and pulls are done around mage's combustion window and I repeat in the best case scenario ,yeah the mage is ahead by that amount. Which means that in every other case , where everyone is on same ilvl and skill and the pulls are normal and there is no pi , mage is not near that % amount . And I don't know about you , but I prefer the balance tuning to be done around the 95% of the player base and not the mdi or the 300 people that doing 22+
Balance of all things... literally
I love the druid class fantasy but the current gameplay rotations/mechanics just aren't my style, unlike in some previous expansions.
who asked tho
@@bigweeweehaver The virgin beta reply
@Westsider Metalhead The chad factsayer
Honestly the random full moon on convoke feels lile twiligth devastation thank god thats not in pvp anymore
Remember when mana was a thing?
ah yes the glory days of having 20 spells but only being able to use the one thats most mana efficient. good times
Im a war sense vanilla. Ive stopped playing till they balance shit out. Wars should always be in top cuz lack of utilities. Just raw damage.
This is what I fear. As a Druid main, I a, scared that after some time druids will be nerfed so it will be completely unplayable(
They will nerf convoke and fuck the rest of druid specs that are not broken...
The just buff it like MM hunter or WW fix stupid ability
wait wait wait asmon does not have aotc ?
2:01 i checked LULW
the boomkings the overlords
"Castle Nathria leather stack plz"
They're all wearing mythic raiding gear with all the best upgrades in the game, if they weren't able to clear heroic difficulty with this kind of coordination the raid would be overtuned as fuck, not to mention what's really broken here is that the DH is solo tanking every boss with no healers
07:00 so class homogenization you mean?
inb4 moonkin nerf
also, boomkin +fae cov=healer 4head
Pally has Wings bro
looks like Classic WoW with Fury Warriors.... so it seems extreme Class stacking has always been broken!
I played night fay druid and stopped because convoke is so stupid. That spell should have not passed alpha. Terrible balancing.
Yo I dont play since 4 months is boomkin fun in shadowlands?
A lot
druid is probably the funnest class in general imo. Idk about resto though maybe theres funner healers
Balance druid 😍. I love me !!!
Convoke is actually just busted. In pve and pvp
Can warriors do that?
They need to not snitch
Simply balanced
boomie is so broken lol. Literally S tier in every aspect, and at everything there is to do in the game.
rEtAiL rAidiNg iS mUcH HarDeR tHaN cLasSic!
The fuck is convoke I haven't played in a whilw?
is anyone actually surprised by this?
Not really, i expected this after see how broken convoke is
If you wanna see a funky comp kill a boss, get some of your streamer friends together and do a 40 warriors razuvious, rotate LIP challenging shouts, blow all CDs on/pre pull. Only has 2M hp, dead in 15 seconds. If no streamer does this before classic is done I will be sorely disappointed in all of you.