The Islamic Dilemma | Turning the tables on Christian apologists | WATCH TILL END!
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- The so called "Islamic Dilemma" or "Quran dilemma" is a fallacy propagated by Christian apologists like David Wood, al-Fadi, Frank Turek, Sam Shamoun and others. Basically, it distorts the Quran and the Bible to falsely proclaim an Islamic dilemma exists. God willing, in under 2 minutes, we expose and debunk the argument and demonstrate that it's the New Testament & Gospel narrative that poses a real dilemma for Christianity -- one that Christians cannot dodge without directly disobeying their "Lord" Jesus Christ! Christian apologists have a huge theology problem on their hands and they don't even realize it.
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#Islam #Quran #Bible
Bible consists of the Old Testament and the New Testament. The Old Testament is true and good and Jesus is saying to obey the laws of the Old Testament just don’t do what they do because they (scribes and Pharisees) are hypocritical. Jesus saying this IS the New Testament. The scribes and Pharisees were waiting for the messiah and he came but they didn’t like him because he didn’t follow man made customs and because he called them out in front of the masses on their hypocrisy, which is why they killed him. This argument isn’t really an argument. Just read and you’ll come to find that Islam is a sham set up by satan. Stay safe and god bless.
"just don’t do what they do because they (scribes and Pharisees) are hypocritical"
Sure, but you'll still have to do what they SAY.
Remember, Jesus also called those Pharisees and scribes the children of the devil and "brood of vipers", and even accused of accused of clinging on to the "traditions of men".
Yet, Jesus said to obey them! So if they said to do something contrary to the Law, Christians would have to obey them. If they refuse to do so, they'd be disobeying Christ. That's the Christian's dilemma.
The writers of the New Testament understood this issue, so that's why Mark, Luke and John omitted Jesus'' command to obey the Pharisees. Only the book of Matthew records it.
@@theologyroom they preach the law but don’t follow what they preach. If I tell my son nothing but good things and to do those good things it’s good. But behind closed doors I’m doing evil then you can say to obey mother and father just don’t do what they do. Children of satan because they are hypocrites because they don’t practice what they preach.
@@theologyroom why do you think Jesus came? Because men are corrupt and at the time warping god words for personal gain. There is a saying that goes “if you want something done right you gotta do it yourself”, god came to earth as Jesus. There are to many contradictions in the Quran. “Strike off their heads and finger tips”? Christianity has Jesus and Islam has Muhammad. Our guy was preaching love, including love your enemy. Your guy was beheading people who didn’t agree with him. Gnashing your teeth is something you do when your extremely mad. Imagine living your entire life thinking your faith is true only to find out when it’s too late that you were lied to. Your men will gnash teeth and your women will weep.
@@paigekyllonen6613 Jesus said "do as they SAY". So if they (Pharisees) SAY to do something bad, Christians will have to obey them. How the Pharisees behaved in secret and what they did or didn't do is not relevant to "do as they say".
@@theologyroom do as they say meaning practice what they preach. Meaning what they preach is good. Even tho the vessel being themselves are corrupt. They weren’t telling people to break laws but to actually follow them. They weren’t preaching bad things. They were waiting for the chosen one and they got him. They just didn’t like him due to the fact that he could read their minds and was calling them out on their hypocrisy. Islam is a trap.
You didn't refute him. 2 wrongs don't make a right. Explain your dilemma we're waiting
Well here is how to refute him
Read the rest of the verse
Yeah it is that simple
Al-Mā’idah: 68
(68) Say, "O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord [i.e., the Qur’ān]." And that which has been revealed to you from your Lord will surely increase many of them in transgression and disbelief. So do not grieve over the disbelieving people.
What is the torah according to the quran?
That which was sent to Moses
What is the Gospel?
That which was sent to Jesus (ie not Mathew Mark Luke and John and the rest of the NT)
What is that which has been revealed to you from your Lord?
The quran
And the quran teaches that it is dominant and authoritative OVER the past scriptures 5:48
So the whole argument is just not reading the verse
Dishonesty thy name?
@@M7md-3la2 the very heart of the Gospel is known as the books matthew, Marc, Luke and John your hole argument is bullshit. Allah revealed Gospel Matthew and so on). This guy in the video is right, wuran wrong.
@@pundit992 appeal to the Stone fallacy
@@M7md-3la2 what are you taking abt? You mean your black stone? Yeah another proof of paganism in Islam.
@@pundit992 look up "appeal to the Stone fallacy" and you will know what I am talking about
And we don't worship the black stone for it to be "paganism"
Infact
Jews have the western Wall 🧱
Made of stones that they kiss and worship God in its direction
That doesnt mean they worship the rocks
But worship God as they only pray in its direction not the stones being the object of worship
Nice try tho
? - If you read the verse after it , Jesus explains that the Law that was given from God to Moses’s is good and that is what you should be following. This is what pharisees were preaching but the way the Pharisees were living was not good they were contradicting the Law.
So the author of this video is purposely misleading viewers by not reading the verse in context .
You dont even need the context really. Its telling us even outside of the context of Mathew 23 to practice what they preach(correct) but not practice what they do(hypocritically incorrect)
Spoken well
stop embarrassing yourself and turn to Allah now as Jesus did and all the prophets and stop wasting your life being ignorant. Grow the F up. No one died for your sins. No one is coming to wipe your tushy. God is not your daddy. YOU are responsible for YOU. YOU will be held accountable for your own actions. Eating the flesh of your supposed god? Drinking his blood and bathing in his blood for salvation? This is the most disgusting, blasphemous and satanic belief possible. Satan would be proud. Islam is your only salvation and Jesus will testify to that upon his return, will break the idolatrous cross, and will bare witness that he never claimed to be God, or the son of God or the holy spirit or Santa Claus. Bury your hate and prejudice, and open your heart and mind to the truth of Islam.
Exactly. Without lies, Islam dies.
First I laughed at this, but afterwards I got kinda sad of how blind people can be. My friend.. with all love and respect, please just read further with the verses you used for this video. Jesus literally said in Matthew 23:3 ‘But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach’. What is Jesus saying here? The Jews (Pharisees) know the law (Old Testament) very well but they don’t obey it. So obviously they wouldn’t obey the law if the law pointed to Jesus, and that’s exactly what they did by rejecting Him (Jesus).
My friend (and all Muslim friends who read this) please just seek ‘the truth’ rather than trying to debunk something to make yourself look better. All it does is rather the opposite.
My love for you guys is real so please take to heart what I’m saying. God bless you all❤️
Jesus is God ✝️📖👈🏻
Ok, you're not really defending Islam, but if you choose this view, then you should be Jewish, because then according to your logic,
Qur'an says to obey the Bible, Bible says obey Jesus, Jesus says to obey the Pharisees/Rabbis. Therefore you should be a Jew.
Except that Judaism hates Jesus, while Islam claims they love and believe in Jesus, which they do, they believe he's the Messiah, but don't believe his Deity.
But regardless, I'll answer.
Moses' seat means a place in a synagogue where an authoritative teacher sat in, read the Hebrew scriptures because no one had a TaNaK in their homes.
Let's pretend we're in the 2nd temple period, we don't have a copy of the Hebrew scriptures. Where should we go? To a synagogue to hear the Scriptures and be taught, and likely by a Pharisee.
What Jesus is saying in context is:
"Although the Pharisees are prideful and give heavy burdens on others, you should go to them to be taught in the synagogues. For do you have copies of the Scriptures at your house? You need to be exposed to the Scriptures, so you should go to the synagogue and do what the Pharisees teach you because what they teach you from the Scriptures are Scriptural/Biblical."
I tried to simplify things from this website, from a Jewish Christian
www.oneforisrael.org/bible-based-teaching-from-israel/what-did-jesus-mean-by-do-and-observe-whatever-they-tell-you-matt-23/
What Jesus criticised on the pharisees Was their insencerity (when they prayed on street corners that every man saw them how pious the were). Not the message itself. Not the laws and so on
It's not my logic, so I don't have to be a Jew. It's Frank Turek's logic. (he's the speaker in the video).
If Frank took his own logic seriously he should be a Jew.
The Pharisees are said to sit in "Moses' seat" because they were the custodians of the Law. Jesus said to obey them because they had that kind of authority...and not because people did not have personal copies of the Tanakh at home.
@@theologyroom you didn’t address the argument presented in the video yet you call it solved?
Mathew 24 it’s talking about following the scripture all you need to do was finish reading verse 3😂. “So do and observe whatever they TELL you but but not the WORKS they do, for they DO NOT practice what they PREACH” funny how you didn’t highlight that part of the verse right? Jesus telling the disciples to follow the preaching (scripture) and not the practices. Why? Bc in verse 5 Jesus tells us every good thing Pharisees do is for their own glory. Precisely why they rejected Jesus, cus they didn’t want to loose any of their glory.
We know the only place where you can read the scripture was in the synagogues where the Pharisees would read it to the people.
So, our Bible tells us what Jesus means by obey the Pharisees. Whilst the Quran never mentions that the Torah or Injil were lost, and constantly presents the Torah and injil as still in our possession and as scriptures written directly from God and we all know that no one can change Gods word (Surah 6:115).
Better luck next time
@@theologyroom Now, swallow it!
Very clever answer! God bless you!
The verse you literally just showed is Jesus telling people not to do what the Pharisees are doing due to their hypocritical nature.
Just told him that now. He showed us that it's saying don't beleive or practice what they do. And is saying look I found your dilemma. No he didn't lol and he won't reply to any of us cuz he knows we are right
Something called context.
Pls try to defend Islamic dilemma rather then pulling Bible verses out of context
Everything IS in context.
Jesus point was that they were hypocrites...
@@theologyroom yes your made up context 🤦🏻♂️
Don’t just read one verse in the Bible. If you read just one verse more (Matthew 23:4) you’d see that Jesus is telling his followers to listen to their teachings (the Old Testament) but don’t live it out the way they do because they are doing it wrong. Literally one more verse of context disproves your central argument. You also did not address the claim made against Islam. Rather you just deflected.
Pharisees believed in the old testament only. Jesus is basically saying follow what the old testament (which is in possession of the pharisees). So this isn't a Christianity dilemma.
The pharisees also had an oral tradition that they were imposing on everyone. That was what Jesus called "traditons of men" (Mark 7:8) and "heavy burdens" (Matthew 23:4). So Jesus criticizes the Pharisees for teaching traditions of men and laying heavy burdens and then tells his followers to obey the Pharisees...who believed Jesus a blasphemer.
? - If you read the verse after it , Jesus explains that the Law that was given from God to Moses’s is good and that is what you should be following. This is what pharisees were preaching but the way the Pharisees were living was not good they were contradicting the Law.
So the author of this video is purposely misleading viewers by not reading the verse in context .
Your refutation makes no sense. Read the text in full context. Matthew 23:2-3 even ends with "..But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach". It's still a dilemma for islam. The copy/paste religion. Without lies, islam dies.
Well here is how to refute him
Read the rest of the verse
Yeah it is that simple
Al-Mā’idah: 68
(68) Say, "O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord [i.e., the Qur’ān]." And that which has been revealed to you from your Lord will surely increase many of them in transgression and disbelief. So do not grieve over the disbelieving people.
What is the torah according to the quran?
That which was sent to Moses
What is the Gospel?
That which was sent to Jesus (ie not Mathew Mark Luke and John and the rest of the NT)
What is that which has been revealed to you from your Lord?
The quran
And the quran teaches that it is dominant and authoritative OVER the past scriptures 5:48
So the whole argument is just not reading the verse
Dishonesty thy name?
Without lies
Anti islam dies
Mr. Theology Room failed.
This verse Mat 23:2, 3, refers to the ancient Jewish custom of the Rabbi’s special seat at the synagogue which is called “Moses’ Seat’: When a person read sitting there, they were reading the Written Torah.
Right there Yahushua was telling the disciples to follow the Written Torah.
Mr. Theology Room failed to address the second half of the verse of Yahushua's teaching, by not reading the entire verse. It appears that he doesn't comprehend Yahushua's teachings. Specifically, "return to the written Torah of Yahuah."
Here is the entire verse. "Mat 23:3 “Therefore, whatever they say to you to guard, guard and do. (the written law) But do not do according to their works,(the oral law) for they say, and do not do." In this verse, the word "works" is referring to the Jewish Torah called "Works Of The Law" or just "Works" for short.
Works is the Oral Law that Yahushua was teaching against in order for them to return/repent back to the "Written Law," called "Moshe." That was Yahushua's plan of salvation.
Here is a quick recap of Yahushua's own words and His answer to the plan of salvation.
Mat 19:16 "... one ... said to Him, “... what good shall I do to have everlasting life?” 17 And He (Yahushua) said ... if you wish to enter into (everlasting) life, guard/keep the commands."
Yahushua taught the written Torah throughout His ministry.
It is still a custom of followers of Yahushua to read the Torah every week. I. E.
“For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every "7th-day" Sabbath in the synagogues.” (Acts 15:21)
Messiah Yahushua was a Rabbi.
Shabbath Shalom. ABCD LT. Allen & Cindy
In Matthew 23, Jesus was speaking to Jews (not gentiles) before he later taught his followers about the new covenant at the last supper.
After the new covenant was given, Jesus told his Jewish disciples that they had authority to allow/forbid things. And these Jewish disciples told gentiles they didn’t have to follow all the Jewish laws.
You are talking from a place of ignorance. You obviously don’t know what is in the New Testament, or about the new covenant (which the Old Testament said God was going to make).
Please go and study the New Testament.
I love watching Muslims use the Gospel of John to try and prove Christianity is false
It's like watching someone text a friend to see if they know where their phone is
Love that analogy!
@@riotuesday thank you
Well here is how to refute him
Read the rest of the verse
Yeah it is that simple
Al-Mā’idah: 68
(68) Say, "O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord [i.e., the Qur’ān]." And that which has been revealed to you from your Lord will surely increase many of them in transgression and disbelief. So do not grieve over the disbelieving people.
What is the torah according to the quran?
That which was sent to Moses
What is the Gospel?
That which was sent to Jesus (ie not Mathew Mark Luke and John and the rest of the NT)
What is that which has been revealed to you from your Lord?
The quran
And the quran teaches that it is dominant and authoritative OVER the past scriptures 5:48
So the whole argument is just not reading the verse
Dishonesty thy name?
@@M7md-3la2 "The Torah the gospels and what has been revealed"
Yeah that's all three
If you're making an argument like all of the gospels have been abrogated
That's fine
But now you have to find gospels that predate the third and fourth century that teach Islam instead of Christ
because we have complete gospels from at least the fourth century and fragments leading back to the early second century possibly even the late first century
But like I said earlier
I only need one argument and you still haven't produced any evidence that Muhammad is in the Torah which is the first five books of the Bible or the gospel which is one of the first 4 books of the New testament
But to make it completely Fair see if you can find him anywhere in the Bible
I'll wait
@@gregwilliams2928 _
The tu quoque fallacy is strong with this one...
Well, if Christians have beams in their eyes they really shouldn't be pointing at specks in other people's eyes. See Matthew 7 verse 3.
Well here is how to refute him
Read the rest of the verse
Yeah it is that simple
Al-Mā’idah: 68
(68) Say, "O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord [i.e., the Qur’ān]." And that which has been revealed to you from your Lord will surely increase many of them in transgression and disbelief. So do not grieve over the disbelieving people.
What is the torah according to the quran?
That which was sent to Moses
What is the Gospel?
That which was sent to Jesus (ie not Mathew Mark Luke and John and the rest of the NT)
What is that which has been revealed to you from your Lord?
The quran
And the quran teaches that it is dominant and authoritative OVER the past scriptures 5:48
So the whole argument is just not reading the verse
Dishonesty thy name?
@@M7md-3la2 You are citing your own verses to prove your argument. "What is the Gospel?
That which was sent to Jesus (ie not Mathew Mark Luke and John and the rest of the NT) No. That is what the Quran espouses. : Jesus is a prophet, nothing more and thus God would send the "gospel" to Jesus to spread like Mohammed did the Quran. None of this is true or correct to Christians. The Quran is no better than the intention of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" The Quran was concocted to spread Arabization in the Middle East and beyond. Egypt, one of the greatest empires of the ancient world spoke Egyptian and evolved to Coptic, a later phase of ancient Egyptian, that was spoken by Egyptians before the Arab conquest of Egypt in the 7th century AD. Only after the conquest and Arabization of Egypt did Arabic become the national language of Egypt. Mohammed's convenient revelations came as he needed them. Thinking of taking a sex slave? Let's give Mohammed a chance to receive a revelation about that.
FROM THE QURAN - 70:22-30
"Not so the worshippers, who are steadfast in prayer, who set aside a due portion of their wealth for the beggar and for the deprived, who truly believe in the Day of Reckoning and dread the punishment of their Lord (for none is secure from the punishment of their Lord); who restrain their carnal desire (save with their wives and their slave girls, for these are lawful to them: he that lusts after other than these is a transgressor..."
This verse shows that Muslim men were allowed to have sex with their wives (of course) and their slave girls.
FROM THE QURAN - 23:5,6
"...who restrain their carnal desires (except with their wives and slave-girls, for these are lawful to them..."
Again, Muslim men were allowed to have sexual relations with their wives and slave girls.
FROM THE QURAN - 4:24
"And all married women are forbidden unto you save those captives whom your right hand possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. (Muhammad Pickthall's English translation of the Quran).
Note also that this passage deals with more than just marriage. In Sahih Muslim volume 2, 3432, the background context for this Quranic verse is given. It relates to the events at Autus, and it permitted the Muslim men to have sex with their female slaves.
FROM THE QURAN - 33:50
"Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty;..."
This verse is for Muhammad. Supposedly, God allows Muhammad to have sex with his slave girls.
The west doesn't want Arabization.
@@Nobody-qh7hk __
It's Islamic 🤦♂️
Isn't it the Islamic dilemma?
So this is about what is according to islam
So yes
I am proving my argument from my verses
And you complaining about how I proved my point means it was debunked
See how easy it is?
Christian missionaries tell you half a verse to concoct some non existent argument
And what I said in my comment was all about what is according to islam since this is Islamic
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That is the point
You seem to not be discussing the supposed Islamic dilemma
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What Jesus preached is the gospel
And we have Jesus even according to the NT preaching the "good news"
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Why should we care? You aren't some kind of objective axiom of truth
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You are simply asserting what you believe baselessly
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Christian coptic scholars and historians are witness to this in their books (in arabic though, I don't know if you can read Arabic like me) they literally praise the Muslims and how they saved them from the byzantine empire and gave them right to religious freedom and so on bcz the Byzantines were oppressing the Egyptians
They also say that only men from 15 to 60 from the non Muslims pay jizya which they say was 2 dinar annually
And they say that the disabled,poor,priest and monks,women and children, of the non Muslims don't pay a thing (this is the actual Islamic ruling, a tax usually less than zakat)
And how Umar the caliphate saved a priest who was hiding in the desert for over a decade and gave him back his authority
Also nothing wrong with Arabic
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That isn't convenience
That is the actual ruling to all Muslims
Intercourse is allowed under a contract of 2
Contract of marriage
And a master servant relationship
So all the verse you brought
We agree with
Men can have intercourse with their wives and their servants
Prophets in your book did the same
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And that he can marry any woman that presents herself to him without him needing to pay any dowry (unlike us)
Guess what
He married none of the women allowed 33:50
Plus slavery isn't a necessity in islam So the west won't need to have servants since all sides agreed not to have so
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@@M7md-3la2 Once again, you try to simplfy 100's of years of oppression with..
"And how Umar the caliphate saved a priest who was hiding in the desert for over a decade and gave him back his authority "
Saving one priest forgives Muslims from killing thousands of Egyptians?
Christian Coptic? Who mentioned Christian Coptic? The Coptic language was the language of almost all Egyptians. This was the language that was supplanted by the Arabization of the area. The point of Islam is to Arabize people first, the one god song and dance is the same one the Jews and Christians sing.
The revelations I cited, verse to verse, from the Quran prove there is a dilemma. The Jewish and Christian God would never condone the taking of Sex slaves. The Muslim god does.
Quran (8:69) - "But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good"
A reference to war booty, of which slaves were a part. The Muslim slave master may enjoy his "catch" because (according to verse 71) "Allah gave you mastery over them."
Quran (4:24) - "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess."
Even sex with married slaves is permissible.
Don't try and staw man my arguments. refute them. Please explain how Quran 4:24 is the work of God.
The Quran is nothing more than a 7th century "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion"
Christianity is idolatry??? Bro what world are you in. We Christians Don't believe in idols
Lol. This is coming from a religion that can’t say Muhammad’s name without saying peace be upon him peace be upon him! They idolize Muhammad and will kill you if you say anything negative about him or better yet if you draw him as a cartoon but Christians are the idolaters!! Comical really. Jesus is Lord!!!
But Muslims do, the black stone is nothing but pagan idolatry
Muslims can't says it's corrupted bc surah 6: 115 says it can not be changed
i invite you to watch full metal theist he made a video response to David wood on this
Follow a man of peace and be peaceful,
Follow a man of violence and be violent.
Hadith of Law laak - الحديث: لولاك
('If not for you (O Muhammad!) I would not have created creation')
Question: What do the respected �Ulama of the religion and Shari�ah say about the hadith:
لولاك لولاك ما خلقت الأفلاك - �Law laaka law laaka maa khalaqtal aflaak�. Which book is this hadith in? Is the Prophet of Allah (sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam) the reason for creation or not? Are there other ahadith that support this narration?
Answer: Indeed the Prophet of Allah (sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam) is the reason for the creation of Adam �alaihis salam and the universe. If the Prophet of Allah (sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam) was not in existence, then the �Arsh and Kursi, Lawh and Qalam, the Skies and the Earth, Heaven and Hell, the trees and stones and all other creatures would not exist.
And while the lafdh in question is not considered an authentic wording from the Prophet (sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam), it is, as Mullah al-Qaari said, "Though al-Saghanee says this is mawdu even so I say its meaning is saheeh (authentic) even if it is not a hadith.�
There are many ahadith to this effect.
Hadith 1: al-Hakim in his Mustadrak, Baihaqi in Dalail an-Nubuwah, Tabarani in his Kabeer, Abu Na�eem in his Hilya and ibn Asakir in Tarikh Damishq report from Sayyiduna Ameer al-Mu�mineen 'Umar ibn al-Khattab Farooq al-A�dham (radiyallahu ta'ala anhu) that:
The Prophet of Allah (sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam) said: �Allah said: When Adam made the mistake, he asked: O Allah! I ask you for the sake of Muhammad to forgive me. Allah said: O Adam! How do you recognise Muhammad when I have not yet created him? Adam said: O Allah! When you created me and blew into me the spirit, I lifted my head and saw written on the �Arsh �La ilaaha illallah Muhammadur rasoolullah�. So, I got to know that you would only join your name with him who is most beloved to you. Allah said: O Adam! You have spoken the truth. Indeed Muhammad is more beloved to me than anything and when you asked me for his sake, I pardoned you. If Muhammad was not in existence, I would not have created you� (Also from Imam Subki in Shifa as-Siqam and Shihab in Naseem)
Hadith 2: Hakim in Mustadrak and Abu as-Shaykh in Tabaqaat al-Isfahani� in a report from Sayyiduna Abdullah ibn Abbas (radiyallahu ta'ala anhuma) that:
�Allah revealed to Prophet �Isa �alaihis salam that: O �Isa! Have faith (imaan) in Muhammad and order your ummah to do the same. If Muhammad was not in existence, I would not have created Adam nor would I have made heaven or hell�. (Also from Shaykh Taqi ad-Din Subki in Shifa as-Siqam and Shaykh al-Islam al-Bulqini in his Fatawa and ibn Hajar in Afdal al-Qur�an).
Hadith 3: Dailami in Musnad al-Firdaus reports from Sayyiduna Abdullah ibn Abbas (radiyallahu ta'ala anhuma) that:
�the Prophet of Allah (sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam) said that Jibra�il came to me and said that Allah says: If you were not created, I would not have made the heaven or hell�.
Hadith 4: ibn Asakir reports from Salman al-Farsi (radiyallahu ta'ala anhu) that:
�Jibra�il came to the Prophet of Allah (sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam) and said that Allah says: I have not created anyone who is more honoured to me that you. I have created the world and all that is therein so that they may know the rank that you possess. I would not have created the world if I had not created you�.
Hadith 5: Imam Shihab ad-Din ibn Hajar �Asqalani says:
�These reports say that if Muhammad (sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam) were not created then Allah would not have made the skies nor the Earth, neither heaven nor hell, neither the sun nor the moon�.
There are many other ahadith on this subject which have been collected by Imam Ahmad Rida Khan Barelwi in his brilliant �Tajalli al-yaqeen baana nabiyyina sayyidil mursaleen� and it is without doubt that the righteous �ulama have addressed the Prophet of Allah (sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam) as the �Reason for the creation of Adam and the universe�. If the sayings of our �ulama are collected, this would cover a voluminous book. A few are noted below.
Hadith 6: see the discussion of the very important hadith of Jaabir.
Excerpt 1: Imam Saif ad-Din Abu Ja�far bin Umar al-Humairi al-Hanafi in his �al-Durr al-tanzeem fee mawlid al-nabi al-kareem� says:
�When Allah made Adam He revealed to Adam to ask Him: O Allah! Why have you made my kuniyah as �Abu Muhammad�? Allah said: O Adam! Lift you head. He lifted his head and saw the noor (light) of the Prophet of Allah (sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam) on the �Arsh. Adam asked: O Allah! Whose is this noor? Allah said: It is a Prophet from your progeny. His name is Ahmad in the skies and Muhammad on the Earth. If he were not created, I would not have created you or the skies and the Earth�.
What? Lol
This isn't a dilemma, not even a little bit. And you don't have to be a Christian to see it. You tried to disprove a fallacy by creating a fallacy, and then using your fallacy to make a statement that "The New Testament and Christian narrative is an extremely delicate glass house". That's quite a double standard, when Frank Turek does that it's wrong but when you do it, it suddenly works. Before making a 2 minute "debunking" video, please read the story/ series of events the bible verses you quoted are in, they will give the context of the point being made in them... I would love to see a review of Matthew 21-23 rather than this...
outstanding sir. thank you for this explanation!
Didn’t refute the Islamic dilemma, you only attacked Christianity 😐🙄
Two days ago, I commented that the Bible example given in the video is too different from what Turek is presenting about the Koran/Quran. I wasn't thinking so clearly, but now I can express it well, I hope. The example of Jesus is that Jesus is supposedly telling Christians to obey what is in the Torah, yet Christians don't obey it. Whereas, the Koran example is not about whether or not the Torah and Injil should be obeyed by Muslims, but only about whether or not the text of those books was corrupted prior to the time of the writing of the Koran. Christians and Jesus were not calling into question the text of the Torah as legitimate, and still don't question the text as legitimate. Muhammed in some places says to rely on the Torah that Jews had available to them, while in other places saying not to rely on it because it has been corrupted. Muhammed in some places says to rely on the Injil that Christians had available to them, while in other places saying not to rely on it because it had been corrupted. If the message of Muhammed was to only rely on the available Torah and Injil to the extent that they were true to the originals, then the crucial guidance was severely lacking for Muslims to discern between the legitimate parts of the text and the corrupted parts. It's like saying we should eat one of every seed out of a bag of mixed seeds, but only eat the seeds that were put there by person X, without any guidance about which seeds to eat and which not to, not knowing which ones were put there by X, which ones were removed since the time of X, and which ones were added since the time of X, or altered somehow (poisoned?). What would be the sense of instructing someone to eat every seed out of that bag, if it didn't really mean every seed, and there was no way to tell which ones to eat and which ones to avoid, or which ones we would have to go looking for outside of the bag?
Hey, Thank you for taking the time to make this video. I gotta tell you though, it didnt combat any of the contradictions David Wood spoke about in his original video. I was hoping for a lot more in depth look into something I had never seen in the Bible, but of course I was mistaken. 'To Sit in the Seat of Moses' means to do like Moses did in Exodus. The next day, Moses took his seat to hear the people’s disputes against each other. They waited before him from morning till evening. - Ex. 18:13 And He judged the matters according to THE LAW that Elohim had given him. And as YHWH commanded in Deut. 17, "all that the judge commands you shall do." YHWH is not giving these men authority to make new rules and laws. They are in charge of Enforcing the laws accordingly. So this, with out doubt, shows us that Christ was telling the listeners to Follow the Law that God passed down, but do not Act as those men act. No contradiction in these verses, they are quite succinct. Definitely sending up a for you and also for when you read this and respond.
Read the verse within it's context. The Islamic dilemma still clearly stands
He didn't even attempt to refute the Islamic/Quranic dilemma though so the thumbnail's deceptive.
Wrong! Jesus is saying to obey those in authority even though they don't do what they impose on others. They are hypocrites and Jesus is saying don't be like them but because they sit in Moses' seat you are therefore subject to their authority.
If you are subject to the Pharisees authority and they tell you to stop worshiping Jesus, you'll need to obey them (because Jesus said to do so).
@@theologyroom No, thats the wrong interpretation too. At the end of Matthew 22, the Pharisees are challenging Jesus, so Matthew 23 is a continuation of the previous dialogue Jesus has with the Pharisees. Notice in the below verses, Jesus is telling the disciples to OBSERVE whatever they tell them. It is in this context that Jesus speaks to their hypocrisy. In other words, they themselves do not observe the very things they burden others with. They are the opitime of hypocrisy, making others do what they won't.
Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do. For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. Matthew 23:1-4
@@andys3035 Check the lexicon. Jesus was saying to "practice and observe" whatever the Pharisees say to do. (Other translations say "keep and observe", "obey and follow" and so on).
It's clear and self explanatory that Jesus wanted you to obey the Pharisees. There's no room for interpretation.
Of course, Jesus did not want you to do as they do because they did not practice what they preached. BUT he did want you to do as they 'preached'.
@@theologyroom that doesn't work for you either. Exegetically, the idea is observing the mundane practices of the law that the Pharisees burden people with, going above and beyond what the law says while not doing the very things they require. This is the height of hypocrisy. So while they "sit in Moses seat", they are unjust and ultimately headed for justice that God will impose. On a side note, there is no "seat of Moses" in the Torah. Jesus is simply telling them to be obedient to those in authority, as the Torah teaches. We even see in cases where this is so where Saul was the king and David was subjected to his authority. While Saul was the established authority, he was in disobedience to God's commands, just like the Pharisees. The idea that people were to listen to the Pharisee's to reject Jesus is foreign to the text anymore than David should not have been obedient to an unjust king. In fact, the case can be biblically made that when rulers force people to disobey God's word, we are to heed to God's word above those in authority. Since Jesus is The Prophet of Deuteronomy 18, that was enough to follow him and not the Pharisees but yet do what they say and not as they don't do.
Let's just say ur claim is true that the bible is false, then that still makes Islam false too because Allah says to follow the bible. There is no escape for the Islamic dilemma. Islam is false in all ways.
Tables turned just for those who do not understand Christian theology.
Christians who dont understand Muslim theology think they've found "errors" in the Quran or Islam.
Ask yourself who was the target audience? Jews or Gentiles? It was the Pharisees/Jews and the scribes. He was reprimanding them! He wasn’t telling them to obey Moses law! Read the rest of the passage and understand context and not cherry pick.
1. Marriage (nikah), the shared life of man and woman, is commended in Islam as being honourable and good. It was the way of God’s prophets and messengers, with the notable exception of Jesus Christ, peace be upon him. The Qur’an says: وَلَقَدْ أَرْسَلْنَا رُسُلاً مِنْ قَبْلِكَ وَجَعَلْنَا لَهُمْ أَزْوَاجًا وَذُرِّيَّةً - We sent Messengers before you, and appointed for them wives and children. [13:38]
2. The Qur’an describes marriage as: مِيثَاقًا غَلِيظًا - a solemn covenant [4:21] Given the sacred and solemn nature of marriage, it mustn’t be entered into hastily or unadvisedly, but rather, honourably, reverently and soberly; and with trust in God.
Islam permits sexual relations between a male master and his female slave outside marriage. This is referred to in the Quran as ma malakat aymanukum or "what your right hands possess".
This was widely accepted and practiced among early Muslims; the Prophet Muhammad, for example, kept a slave-concubine (Mariya the Copt) who was given to him as a gift by the Roman governor of Alexandria.
Islam permits four wives but Mohammed had 9.
In societies that practice polygamy, the specific type is polygyny, which is having more than one wife (polyandrous unions, of having more than one husband, are much less common). Muslim societies allow for up to four wives, but not without specific rules and regulations.
Sahih al-Bukhari 5215
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
The Prophet (ﷺ) used to pass by (have sexual relation with) all his wives in one night, and at that time he had nine wives.
حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الأَعْلَى بْنُ حَمَّادٍ، حَدَّثَنَا يَزِيدُ بْنُ زُرَيْعٍ، حَدَّثَنَا سَعِيدٌ، عَنْ قَتَادَةَ، أَنَّ أَنَسَ بْنَ مَالِكٍ، حَدَّثَهُمْ أَنَّ نَبِيَّ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم كَانَ يَطُوفُ عَلَى نِسَائِهِ فِي اللَّيْلَةِ الْوَاحِدَةِ، وَلَهُ يَوْمَئِذٍ تِسْعُ نِسْوَةٍ.
And the Matthew 23 verse is missing context... read couple more verses... that is speaking about if they ask you to do something... ie take the collection and buy more bread... not a corrupt teaching
Well, Paul was a Pharisee, and we obey HiS teaching. We follow the teaching of the jews, that is why old testament become part of christian book
“The Prophet [ﷺ] married Aisha when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old.” - The revered Sahih al-Bukhari, 5134; Book 67, Hadith 70.
Narrated 'Urwa:
The Prophet (ﷺ) asked Abu Bakr for `Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."
حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ يُوسُفَ، حَدَّثَنَا اللَّيْثُ، عَنْ يَزِيدَ، عَنْ عِرَاكٍ، عَنْ عُرْوَةَ، أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم خَطَبَ عَائِشَةَ إِلَى أَبِي بَكْرٍ فَقَالَ لَهُ أَبُو بَكْرٍ إِنَّمَا أَنَا أَخُوكَ، فَقَالَ " أَنْتَ أَخِي فِي دِينِ اللَّهِ وَكِتَابِهِ وَهْىَ لِي حَلاَلٌ ".
Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 5081In-book reference : Book 67, Hadith 19.
Sunan Abi Dawud 2147
Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife.
حَدَّثَنَا زُهَيْرُ بْنُ حَرْبٍ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنُ مَهْدِيٍّ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو عَوَانَةَ، عَنْ دَاوُدَ بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ الأَوْدِيِّ، عَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ الْمُسْلِيِّ، عَنِ الأَشْعَثِ بْنِ قَيْسٍ، عَنْ عُمَرَ بْنِ الْخَطَّابِ، عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ " لاَ يُسْأَلُ الرَّجُلُ فِيمَا ضَرَبَ امْرَأَتَهُ " .
Grade: Da'if (Al-Albani) ضعيف (الألباني)حكم :
Reference : Sunan Abi Dawud 2147In-book reference : Book 12, Hadith 102English translation : Book 11, Hadith 2142
Sahih al-Bukhari 392
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah."
Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) …"
Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)."
Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush …"
Apostasy is a Hudood crime. Execution is traditional punishment for both genders of Muslim apostates. Ja'fari - Male apostates must be executed, while a female apostate must be held in solitary confinement till she repents and returns to Islam.
Jesus was saying the Pharisees is correct in terms of what they TEACH because they teach the TORAH...but not what they DO in terms of what they misrepresent God's weightier matter of The Law which Jesus later said Mat. 23:23 which are faith, mercy, and judgement.
Easy. As a practical matter, they had to obey those in Moses' authoritative seat, even though they rejected the clear commandment of God, not in breaking the commandments themselves, but in going about their lives. If you knownthat the Pharisees merely added things and made exceptions for themselves, then you understand that the Jews would obey God's commandments to be righteous and also do some extra stuff to stay "free" and alive.
The command to obey the Pharisees only applied insofar as they occupied the seat of Moses. However, with the New Covenant the authority they once held is handed over to the Church as can be seen when the Prince of the Apostles Saint Peter exercises authority over Jerusalem and the Temple in his first sermons recorded in the first five chapters of the Acts of the Apostles.
But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry which is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion for a second.
Hebrews 8:6-7
*SATAN ( Lucifer) is real.*
He is not a Joke
Quran10:94 Presupposes that the people reading the scripture before Muhammad knew the truth.
Waraqah ibn Nawfal was one of them people reading the scripture before him,
Muhammad and his followers later contradict his belief.
Hadith (Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2653) (Tawrah and Injil are with the Jews and Christians) Quran 5:68
Notice Muhammad was not interested in learning and following the same Injil Waraqah ibn Nawfal was following
The Arabic Quran makes it clear in Quran 3:3-4 the Tawrah and Injil are for (mankind) but Muhammad was not interested in uncorrupt Injil of Allah
Waraqah ibn Nawfal would of never confirmed Muhummed's revelation being interpreted in a way what contradicts his own belief.
This is extremely disingenuous, and a twisted argument. In Matthew 23:2-3 he says to obey the word of the pharisees, but to not do as they do. Meaning, obey the word of God, but do not behave as the teachers, because they do not obey the word of God. Put the entire scripture up, and your argument holds no water.
I missed the part where the original argument was debunked.
Also Jesus wasn't being called a false prophet at that time. He was telling the people to obey the law taught by the authorities of the time. They He said no part of the the law will pass away "UNTIL I HAVE FULFILLED IT" which He did by allowing Himself to be crucified.
Even then He wasn't accused of being a false prophet but of equating Himself with God by claiming to be His Son. (which Islam denies He did) This was after being tried and having been found innocent with no basis of any charge to even be leveled against Him. But He still obeyed and submitted to the cries of the Pharisees and allowed Himself to be killed. So there is nothing false in anything He said. He backed it up with His own actions 💯.
So your arguments are dubunked.
Where is the part where you debunk his argument?????
In the very next verse, Jesus goes on to say "anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called LEAST in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven". He expected his followers to continue obeying the Law. The Law did not pass away after he was crucified.
The example in the Bible is too different from what Turek is presenting. Matthew 23:1-12 gives a broader context to what Jesus is saying. In fact, the whole chapter. It is clear from what Jesus is saying, the if the Pharisees tell the people to kill one of God's prophets, the people should not do what they are told. They should obey the Pharisees inasmuch as the Pharisees are instructing in the Torah/Tenakh during the old covenant period. But they are not to bear the burdens of the Pharisees that are too heavy for them to bear, since Jesus has come to give a light burden to all who are weary. Where the Pharisees are contradicting Moses, they are to be disregarded. Christians still obey the Torah/Tenakh as explained by Jesus and the Apostles in its fullness.
You are misunderstanding the passage. You also stop too soon. Keep reading through the rest of the chapter of Matthew and see that Jesus is telling the people not to do what the Pharisees are doing and that they are hypocrites.
Your exegesis of Matthew 23:2-3 is erroneous. Also, if Islam claims that a substitute was crucified on the cross rather than Jesus, that offers no explanation for the empty tomb.
If you read more than a small phrase in Matthew 23 you will understand the intention and the context, this is so silly
I am wondering why the video has only a few views .
May Allah help u to grow
Perhaps cuz the logic is very weak
Because Its not a Good Argument?
Haha he literally showed us that jesus said. Don't beleive or practice what they are saying
Ok no disrespect! But in all fairness, Jesus said that the law that they teach is good 👍 but they do not follow the law, DO NOT be like them!!
Yes. He said to "do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach".
The Law was from God, so it had to be good. The Pharisees job was to teach it. Whether or not they practiced it themselves is a separate issue.
Well this was an abject failure if the aim to refute the Islamic dilemma. Many others below have picked this up.
Lol this channel is epic from what ive seen so far ma sha Allah. Straight to the point and covering or not leaving room for doubts/contentions. Keep refuting objectively
Thank you. Stay tuned for more!
I would also say if corrected by a christian accept it ofc. We can't be like them and run with misconceptions even after they find out they're wrong.
How??? He didn't answer anything just tried to cover the issue by changing the subject. Still TONS of room for doubt and not clear at all
@@arsenal870 bro he took that verse wayyy out of context.
Its clearly written don't do what they do ( saying Christianity is false ) and do not practice what they preach ( that Christianity is false ) so nah you didn't get it man nice try thought. Try finding something else to contradict if you can
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Thanks for your comment!
Read it for your self my frnd
23 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 “The teachers of the law(C) and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4 They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.(D)
Hogwash! Silly how you did not continue reading the second part of the 3rd verse. The very scripture you put up there destroys your argument. It says don’t do as they do because they don’t follow what they preach. Islam is weak and clearly man made. Jesus is Lord!!!
To bid is to request not to obey a teaching
“Whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted of him, and he shall be amongst the losers in the hereafter.” Surat Imran, verse 85.
This channel is so underrated
Thank you! It means a lot to me!
You completely misunderstand the meaning of that verse. You dont even need to read further but, If you read further, you would understand even better. What that verse is saying and means,...is what they tell you to do will be sound in scripture and correct because it is from scripture, but dont do as they do because they are hypocrites and act in action against the correct scriptures which they command others to do. Hence, they dont practice what they preach. It's saying to practice what they preach(correct) but don't practice what they do(hypocritically incorrect). The further reading of Mathew 23 just exemplifies their hypocrisies(in action) in greater detail.
The video is ALL OVER THE PLACE!!!
Are you kidding? He says in the next verse to not do what they do.
that doesn't change the fact that he said to do as they SAY to do.
@@theologyroom So what?
What these Pharisees say is correct but they do not implement what they say or do the exact opposite. (1:27)
I think Jesus is giving a good piece of advice no matter how someone sees it.
GUBLLING CHRISTIANS.....
Jazakallah. I was having doubts.
How did this dispell your doubts? At best it just added some doubt about Christianity which, presumably, you already don't believe, but also just basically told you you should be Jewish in stead of Christian cuz the Quran also says follow Jesus' teachings.
How did you come away with less doubt after this?
You don't get rid of doubts about a dilemma by completely shifting the goal post. The dilemma still stands. The Quran confirms our scriptures in Surah 2:41, 2:89, 2:91, 2:97, 2:101, 3:3, ect, and tells you Muslims to BELIEVE IN ALL THE BOOKS in Surah 2:285 and 4:136. The dilemma isn't gone.
The Christian guy is corect tho... so you guys have not debunked anything.
Thank you sir
Your red comments simply show you didn't understand what Jesus was saying. The comments should help you at least understand what all scholars - even those thst don't believe- and Christians know.
The only people who need help understanding Jesus' words in the verse are the Christians commenting on this video.
According to the text, Jesus instructed his followers to OBEY the Pharisees and DO AS THEY SAY. That's direct and self explanatory and leaves no room for interpretation. Christians can't address the part that says "do as the Pharisees say" and so resort to deflections and speculations.
@@theologyroom Now that is not even insightful...you lost
@@senkat8747 Feel free to think that. But you're yet to even address any of the points made in the video or my comments. Until that changes, I'll have to disregard your words. Have a nice day though.
Thank you. We r going round in circles as I addressed the video by agreeing with it and replied to yr point that you didn't understand what Jesus was saying. From a theological view point all Christians a spiritual Jews for we have inherited via the blood of christ the same promise. Jews and gentiles are one family under the new covenant. Christ fulfilled the law to show he was perfect and thus like a clean lamb pure for sacrifice. The tabernacle, rituals and ceremonies associated were all about him as he told those same pharisees. So if we obey Jesus words we certainly can't accept muhammad. You need Jesus. Blessings to you
Keep the hard work
We are with u
NOt unless you are judaism but they also say gospel is false.lol
Get a doctor.
bro by god u r very awesome and your channel is so underrated..please dont stop making videos
Uh. Really you proved nothing! You obviously know nothing about the Torah or the gospels. Weak!
Wow, what a horrible video.
1. You didn't address what Turek said. You need to refute it to debunk it. You should take this down, it's embarrassing.
2. You highlighted v2 and ignored v 3. You completely ignored it. It's like you just decided to stop reading. It gives you context as to the wickedness of the religious leaders of the time that Jesus was exposing, which is contrary to your entire position that Jesus was giving the Pharisees any authority in Christianity or Judaism.
3. Further, the argument here about the 'Christian dilemma' is still in one book. Follow the one book. Continue to read it to get the full context, and not read just part of a Chapter and you would find there is no dilemma. Where in the Islamic Dilemma, it actually points to outside sources which contradict its veracity. YIKES.
4. In your own 'Christian dilemma', you say that if we obey the Bible, we must obey Jesus, but if we obey Jesus, it says to obey the Jews who contradict Jesus (well, derp, that's why Jesus came in part to refute the authority of the Pharisees and set straight the law and establish a new covenant)... BUT AGAIN... as Turek has pointed out, YOUR OWN QURAN says to obey the Injeel and the Torah. It's STILL YOUR DILEMMA.
YOU SAY: "Follow the one book. Continue to read it to get the full context, and not read just part of a Chapter and you would find there is no dilemma".
That's actually fantastic advice for Frank Turek and others like him. If they read the whole Quran and not just part of a chapter, they'd find that there's no dilemma. And for the record, the Quran doesn't command Muslims to "obey" the Gospel and the Torah. Read Surah 5:68 again. That verse is addressed to Christians and Jews, not Muslims.
YOU SAY: "Jesus came in part to refute the authority of the Pharisees".
Yet, in the bible, Jesus plainly tells his followers to obey the Pharisees and DO as they SAY. That stands regardless of the fact that he said to not DO as they DO, which is a separate matter. And elsewhere Jesus accused those very Pharisees of being hypocrites and the children of the devil. If you were to truly obey Jesus, you'll have to obey the Pharisees who'll tell you to reject Jesus. If you don't see the dilemma there, I can't help you.
@@theologyroom YOU STILL haven't refuted Turek's point.
YOU SAY: "Follow the one book. Continue to read it to get the full context, and not read just part of a Chapter and you would find there is no dilemma".
That's actually fantastic advice for Frank Turek and others like him. If they read the whole Quran and not just part of a chapter, they'd find that there's no dilemma. And for the record, the Quran doesn't command Muslims to "obey" the Gospel and the Torah. Read Surah 5:68 again. That verse is addressed to Christians and Jews, not Muslims.
-- Okay, so then read the rest of Matthew 23... the one you quoted, but only read one verse of. Explain away the Islamic Dilemma. Your entire video is a straw man argument, NOT dealing with what Turek said, but instead arguing something else and pointing to the Bible. Instead of strawmanning, refute his claim.
Qur’an 3:3 says, “He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel.”
Qur’an 5:68 “Say, ‘O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord’” (see also 6:114; 3:3-4).
Qur’an 6:92 , “And this is a Book which We have sent down, blessed and confirming what was before it, that you may warn the Mother of Cities and those around it. Those who believe in the Hereafter believe in it, and they are maintaining their prayers” (see also 2:89; 5:48; 10:37; 35:31; 46:12; 46:30).
Why would Allah send down the book of the Gospel and the Torah for his creation not to obey it?
YOU SAY: "Jesus came in part to refute the authority of the Pharisees".
Yet, in the bible, Jesus plainly tells his followers to obey the Pharisees and DO as they SAY. That stands regardless of the fact that he said to not DO as they DO, which is a separate matter. And elsewhere Jesus accused those very Pharisees of being hypocrites and the children of the devil. If you were to truly obey Jesus, you'll have to obey the Pharisees who'll tell you to reject Jesus. If you don't see the dilemma there, I can't help you.
-- No. Holy smokes. Read the second sentence in verse 3. BUT DO NOT DO WHAT THEY DO, FOR THEY DO NOT PRACTICE WHAT THEY PREACH. It's NOT a separate matter, it's the same conversation:
"Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples, 2 saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses. 3 Therefore, whatever they tell you, do and comply with it all, but do not do [b]as they do; for they say things and do not do them. 4 And they tie up heavy burdens and lay them on people’s shoulders, but they themselves are unwilling to move them with so much as their finger. 5 And they do all their deeds to be noticed by other people; for they broaden their phylacteries and lengthen the tassels of their garments. 6 And they love the place of honor at banquets, and the seats of honor in the synagogues, 7 and personal greetings in the marketplaces, and being called Rabbi by the people. 8 But as for you, do not be called Rabbi; for only One is your Teacher, and you are all brothers and sisters. 9 And do not call anyone on earth your father; for only One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 And do not be called leaders; for only One is your Leader, that is, Christ. 11 But the greatest of you shall be your servant. 12 Whoever exalts himself shall be humbled, and whoever humbles himself shall be exalted. "
THAT my friend is context.
It's not a dilemma, Jesus is exposing their hypocrisy. Read it again, do you not see he's not giving the Pharisees authority over Himself. He is pointing out the Covenant and Law of Moses and His coming removed that law. You don't understand Christian theology or the hypocrisy being exposed. Straight up.
There is NO Orthodox doctrine or teaching that ANY Christian... should listen to a Pharisee. NO PHARISEE EXISTS TODAY.
You are crazy wrong!
Excellent work!!! 👍
Thanks a lot!
No it's not. Did you watch it and understand what he tried to prove? Which was nothing.
😆what a logic
The Injil (Greek, Evangel equals Gospel) spoken of by the Qur'an is not the New Testament. It is not the four Gospels now received as canonical. It is the single Gospel which, Islam teaches, was revealed to Jesus, and which he taught. Fragments of it survive in the received canonical Gospels and in some others, of which traces survive (e.g., the Gospel of Childhood or the Nativity, the Gospel of St. Barnabas, etc.)."[5]