It’s impossible they don’t understand bro they numbers speak lol they made major money on srt , there killing the compmay on purpose to sell to someone it’s a back door deal they lower it sell for cheaper for a secret back door payment tax fee for a few people … that’s the real reason
@@2010hyundaielantra there was a modern Dodge Neon. It was the Dodge Dart and no one wanted them. And yes the Neon was Cheaply built too so you can’t use that agains the Dart
@@georgetrevino3532 Other might our manufacturers need to put pressure on politicians to look out for its customers the EV failed so badly hope they all can recover. I like to cheaper option and perhaps a few hybrids.
I’m a mopar girl and really disappointed with what’s become of Dodge . At least I have my vintage mopar to remind me of what the company used to be like.
Same! Thankful for my Blown 2011 SRT8 Challenger and my Resto Mod 410 EFI stroker 72 Challenger and my 21 Ram Lariat that's lifted on 35's and some other mods.. There is nothing that CDJR has that I want now. Very disgusted with Stellantis they are a garbage company.
@@priapicpear4200 But that's why they have to push environmental stuff. They want 1,000 peasants to switch to electric to offset their private jet carbon footprint 😅
CAFE is not really destroying cars. It is forcing the auto companies to make better engines. They were turning out crap 30-40 years ago, that is how the Japanese walked in and ate their lunch. The same engineering that gives you fuel efficiency also gives you the monstrous horsepower and torque numbers. Lazy companies blame CAFE. They just don't want to spend money on research and engineering. A middle of the road V6 in an SUV now has about 300HP. Muscle cars back in the 60's were just over that. I don't want to even think about V8s in the 1970s. Also, Chevy is building a 1000+ HP engine. Tell me again how CAFE us destroying cars?
The cafe standards ruined trucks, that's why we can't have V8 small trucks anymore. Bad fuel economy they say but I feel like a small truck nowadays could achieve 20s in the mpgs and a V8. Though I think cafe standards says if the wheel base is a certain size it needs to achieve close to 30s or In the 30s for mpgs or they get charged even more
Their priority is Europe. The American market isn't valuable to them. I wish Jeep would at least start up as an American company. And concentrate on simplicity and reliability. A no frills 4X4 is all I want.
They did have an economy car. The dart/Chrysler 200. 4 cylinder engine cars. Hell my sister and her fiance have both those cars from 2014 and 2015 so its not something they just started
In interest of fairness they built those renegades for YEARS. It was a dart drivetrain in a toaster. Basically an AWD Kia soul. So they did offer a cheap economy car, and they sold a lot of them Edit: Also how many Fiat 500s did you see driving around. They had economy cars, they just didn't have the Dodge name after the dart
You hit the nail on the head laying the blame at the feet of Peugeot/Fiat. (Stellantis is just a name to try to hide the identity of the guilty.) The CAFE standards have been known for a long time, yet nothing was done to prepare the company for the future while Ford and GM did their homework. The current earnings collapse shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. This was predictable years ago as they cancelled plans for new models and we didn't even hear rumors of new models. Instead, they left their dealers with virtually no 2024 models to sell. Chrysler had a 4cyl .... the Dart and the Chrysler 200 .... and they killed the model instead of updating the interior styling. They abandoned the small-to-midsize SUV market when they killed the Journey. The Dodge Caravan invented the minivan market and no longer even exists. They put all of their eggs in the big cars and big trucks basket. I love my 392 HEMI ... but reality is that it is the least efficient V8 on the market in spite of giving it two-plugs-per-cylinder to improve emissions. And by a wide margin. Dodge has known this for YEARS and did nothing to develop a replacement. Now .... Dodge is a victim of its own marketing success. They pushed the HEMI in ads and commercials so effectively that their customers don't want anything else.
@@RollinIsbell I like the 392 myself back then cost of 100 octane was cheaper than today. Love seeing them in everything that shows Im an old guy doesn’t it….
Chrysler may not have any 4 cylinders, but Peugeot in Europe has plenty. They could have just brought some of those cars over here and rebranded them as Dodges. Really easy solution that was at the tips of their fingers but they didn't do it. They even have performance focused ones so they could make RT or SRT versions of the new smaller cars. Look up the Lancia Ypsilon Rally HF and tell me that wouldn't be awesome as a Dodge Dart SRT.
People also forget that Ford and Chevy updated their engines over time too. We’re on a 4th generation Coyote while the LS/LT changed in 3 generations to keep up with what was going on, then add in the EV/hybrid stuff that offset everything. Dodge/Chrysler etc were making their bed long before the Stellantis merger.
@@WoolfJ35 from how I look at it, Dodge made themselves a “specialty brand” sometime after 2015-16 when the Hellcat was released, fast forward to 2023 and they had a lineup of only 3 vehicles, so yes in a way they did it to themselves
Also what is funny about the ZR1 is supposedly that 1064 HP is achieved on normal 93 octane gas where the Demon 170 required E85 to get its 1025 HP. Chevy engineering really did work some magic with the ZR1
No 'magic'!!! It's called turbo charging!!! Porsche did it decades ago with the 917/30 twin turbo flat twelve. It was so fast and successful the racing authorities outlawed it!!! That was in 1971!!!
@@crushbaseball4270 This is actually very good and manufacturers need to go this path instead of the hybrid method. All the batteries and electric motors are complete nonsense and adds more complexity and causes more problems! Just imagine, you are about to do a run and all of a sudden, you are down 250HP because the hybrid battery controller sensed an excess battery temperature and shut down the electric motors!
They could have gone with the 5.7L V8 and tweaked it, modernized it to get both better gas mileage and get more horsepower. Then, putting it in the smaller body of the Banshee, it could have gotten substantially better MPG. Could have also done the same with the V6.
They would’ve had to update it way before they merged with Stellantis. That’s how Ford and Chevy did it. We’re on a 4th generation Coyote while the LS/LT changed in 3 generations.
@@redhunnid5142 It's only heavier because it is EV. It may be longer, but it is definitely less bulky than the old Charger. I'm pretty sure the chassis on the Banshee will be lighter than the ancient Mercedes-based chassis.
Yes but the hurricane inline 6 is a much better engine everyway (except sound) compared to the 5.7 hemi as the hemi is basically maxed out what it can do while keeping within the epa and also the 5.7 is old and it is time for a new engine as fca was making the hurricane engine 3 years prior there debut so the hemis where already on there way out at least the 5.7 and 6.4, people will complain for a little bit and then they will like it like almost every brand out there does
@@nicksmith2604 Dodge Chrysler had good roots once. I will wait and see how the Hurricane 6 pans out. Vehicles have gotten to heavy and overburdened with tech some of it is cool but I want a vehicle thats affordable yet reliable. Prices that these vehicles have gotten, they ought to be able to give you a nice car and an electric golf cart for daily use. Dodge miss judged world events and way our administration plans would get things handled. This has caused misery to the whole world. I don’t mean this politically any group could have had fine plans but not realize implementation of them had to be more carefully handled. Sad to see what happened to our auto industry wish they all pull together and make it clear we have same goals just more carefully implemented please. The public shouldn’t need to suffer so much. Those with wealth might not understand or care being insulated so but look around unless you like what you see happening in once great areas of the world this is just a symptom. Come on do better.
Where would all these Chinese EV’s be plugged in? And how will people go more than a 200 miles without sitting at chargers for hours considering everyone has a Chinese ev?
@@bigjdm5460 china earlier this year publicly started selling a 600 mi range EV AND that particular manufacturer already had the ability to change out the battery within minutes
@@bigjdm5460 Chinese’s EVs have longer range, charge faster, are more efficient, cheaper, and have the ability to do a battery swap within minutes. And the technology is only developing quickly…..just like with all other technology. It’s only getting better and cheaper
Stellantis reminds me of corporate raiders back in the 80s who strip a company of resources and leaves it flat broke. just like they have done to turn Americas Midwest into the rust belt.
@TTyote 93 is great. You can do short hop driving without obliterating your engine and fuel system. Can also store it forever without worry of killing your engine. E-85 is for race cars only in my personal opinion.
@@ChefofWar33 I've run e85 for 3 years straight and never had any issues. If you live in a state like Florida and you're trying to make more than 700hp, you need to be on e85. 93 detonates bad in the florida heat, and e85 burns a lot cooler than 93 while also being rated at about 105 octane. Most pump 93 is hotdog water compared to e85.
To be fair the other companies your talking about wasn't going through the passing of their CEO before he could successfully pass things over in 2018. Then two years later we were all hit with the pandemic, which led to many deaths and chip shortages. Which hurt everyone, however they had a two year CEO during this time. Then in 2021, FCA made a big merger with PSA, which made them the 7th largest company in the world. So, while they're might not have been any fully electric vehicles in North America, PSA Group had several fully electric vehicles that were being sold in 2021. This is a global company, they're not just focused on north America. They can't be, even if they wanted to. And if I'm honest I've been around the car industry for a long time. I remember when Ford and GM started dipping their feet into the hybrid and fully electric pool. Not to mention going Eco boost and E85 V6s on a lot of their platforms that were V8s. All the fans were clowning them, "why is Dodge putting V8s in everything while GM and Ford seem to be going away from them?" they said. Some even jumped ship with Dodge releases of the Hellcat variety. Then 2023 hit and everybody forgot how Dodge was giving the fans what they wanted, when everyone else wasn't but it came with a cost. Yeah Dodge could've tried their hands at hybrids and EVs before the merger with Fiat. My question is this, where was the technology for EVs and Hybrids gonna come from? Dodge, Jeep and Chrysler haven't been able to up their game on tech since they lost it all to Daimler. So Fiat was the best move, they brought in the new tech and Dodge made it look better in North America.
The days of the EPA are numbered. In November CAFE will be gone. This is a fools argument. You need to watch the interview with the former CEO of Chrysler where he talks about how the company was forced to make dinky cars that aren't profitable because of what you are talking about. All of this BS dealing with govt. involved in the auto industry is flat out stupid. The goal is Soylent Green. FJB, FKH.
Why suddenly in November will CAFE suddenly be gone? If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you- at a real good discount. Don't get caught up believing everything you hear thrown around in presidential politics, you'll be very disappointed. We're still waiting on Trumps "infrastructure" plan, which was always a few weeks away. Never happened. A President isn't a king, they can't unilaterally just will things into and out of existence because they say so- that's naive to think so. There's still half the country that supports all those policies, and like has been the case in the past, they'll fight just as hard to keep those policies in place. Even if something does change, once the other half of the country takes control again- it will be right back in place, likely with even more enshrinement into law to make it more difficult to repeal in the future. Why wasn't CAFE repealed under the previous Trump admin??? Exactly.
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What we need is 6000 pound cars that get 10 miles per gallon. Do you realize how dumb that sounds?
Why will CAFE suddenly be gone in November? There's no one person that can unilaterally make that decision, and that's not even taking into account all the people who were responsible for, and support those policies; half the population. If you believe that suddenly all will be made well in November, I have a bridge to sell you- at a sweet discount of course. Short of minor changes here and there, these huge policies like CAFE, agencies like the EPA, etc aren't going anywhere. Even with their unpopularity among auto enthusiasts, those policies and agencies have broad support among the general population. Eliminating the EPA, dept of education, etc- are hugely unpopular moves across the spectrum; really mostly everyone outside of the far right. It's fine to have a healthy imagination though.
Fire carlos tavares and hire tim.kunis as ceo. Hire the fca engineers back...... bring back hemi. Problem solved. Screw go green. It's obvious it's destroying mopar.
@@frankvanfossan so… you don’t like trees? All that matters is that nothing changes and we have V8 Chryslers for hundreds of years to come? Do you have kids or grandkids?
bruh, you gotta stop being a goober and a sheep thinking everything is a damn woke thing...its not. It's all about their corporate overlords who are European and trying to be cheap . And when youre being cheap and trying to consolidate costs....that means they're gonna follow a European model of everything (Not American) in peddling more cost-effective V-6 and 4 bangers LIKE THEY DO IN EUROPE. DO SOME DAMN RESEARCH FOR ONCE
If they went woke then they would “know” what American buyers want. So no goofy…they are not “woke”! Keep that corny Trumpian smack where it belongs, the garbage!
Thanks @ocmotivator, as always, for the great content, and for bringing this particular subject to light. Quite a few comments in previous videos blaming the government and the current administration as the source of the literal heart of Mopar going away. Not so as you deftly pointed out. Instead, a travesty how mismanaged the Dodge brand has been with the incredible lack of foresight in bringing to market even a handful of ‘compliance’ vehicles to help raise the brand’s corporate average fuel economy so the V8 could have lived on. As you mentioned, hopefully Stellantis starts turning around their misguided ship full of foolish decisions and works to resurrect the V8. I wonder if Tavares has actually ever driven a V8-power Mopar product, especially a Scat Pack, Hellcat or Demon? Something tells me he hasn't. I'm traditionally a European car guy but after driving a Charger Hellcat Redeye not too long ago, I can't stop thinking about it. I'd be willing to bet he'd feel similarly, he might finally understand what the Dodge brand is about.
@@raymco5 25 mpg was fine but now they say you need 30 mpg but really in real life you still get 25 unless you very careful. In future the want 50+ guess they will bring back mopeds.
My point is this, yes Dodge was late to the hybrid and electric party, that does not mean stellantis as a whole was. Also, while many people may be laughing at them while they are down. Just remember that not too long ago, they were doing the same thing to GM and Ford. Even I have to admit that I didn't know what they were doing either but they got the last laugh didn't they. Not because they listened to their customers/fans, but because they made the necessary adjustments for the future. I do believe that there have been some great moves made by Stellantis to prepare them for this storm, however some will not make it to the next chapter of the journey and that's life. Just know that they have a plan and though people don't like it, they have to be willing to make the necessary adjustments for the future in order to have a successful one.💯
Dart and Chrysler 200 were most 4 cylinder engine. (I own 2016 Chrysler 200C AWD w/3.6 liter great car). Discontinued because V-8 powered vehicles Sell
@@michaelriebandt6754 hope you replaced your oil filter housing by now or you will. Glad they kept that same design for about a decade. Good thing they come with the worst warranty from factory (3 years, 36k miles)
Well the bottom line is the Gen 3 hemi is a garbage motor, and in stock form with the iron exhaust manifold you are rolling the dice between broken manifold bolts and rocker failure. Both happen quite often under 100K miles.
And Brad my favorite thing about the car is not only the horsepower partial to the split window because it was maybe year I was born the original one in 1963
I will always remember Dodge for being for the American people I'm so proud of myself that I worked hard to buy mines and every time I get into my car I feel good about it I will always believe in Dodge I remember the first time I got my car 🚗 built I'm proud to ride my Dodge Challenger 392😂
It’s cars period, everyone thinks they need a suv or a truck. The corvette is unapproachable anymore, as are Cadillacs V series, rich people cars. Only the Asians are still making affordable cars. Average new car 46000, 2014 Camaro SS 1LE new in 14? I payed 38000 for a 1SS 1LE, I still have it 72000 miles, still the most reliable car ever, I bulletproofed it with all the parts needed for a long life, cam kit, high flow oil pump, trunion upgrade, all fluids, rear end trans, all of them every 20,000 miles changed, oil at 3000, screw the computer saying it’s time to change/ oil life, don’t wait til 5, 6 thousand miles, Amsoil works for me
Why they don't build a v-8 , It's very simple they want you to buy what they want you to buy. Clearly, you need to follow their wishes, in their opinion.
@@Jmeon4evaimagine another 50% drop in the next 6! That’s a 75% drop that same year! It’s insane how bad they’re doing now you could say they made a grave mistake! 😂
Ich mache mir große Sorgen das Stellantis in die Pleite rutscht wie fast PSA Peugeot Citroën 2012 Die haben auch auf Halde produziert und keiner oder nicht genug wollten es kaufen Ich dachte Carlos Tavares wollte nicht mehr auf Halde produzieren. Löhne sind seit dem Streik 2023 auch zu hoch......
Here's the crazy thing, if you totally ignore cafe standards and release a car that literally gets 0 miles per gallon, it will have a $2778 ($5.50 per 0.1 mpg under 55 mpg) tax penalty. It is not possible to exceed that. That kind of tax doesn't strike me as a deal breaker for a lot of people looking at these kinds of cars.
You know what buddy I’ve been following you and watching you for quite a while now since you had the RT that’s when I first started watching you because I had a RT at the time, then you got the scat bag then you got the hellcat redeye still watching and I figured out you do it because the love of the The love of the V8 and Dodge in general you like it for the same reasons we all do too. You remind me of President Donald J Trump his love for the country is exactly like your love is for Dodge in the muscle cars and I respect you both keep up the good work. I totally enjoy your videos and they’re very informative, Ziggy and I checking out for the evening
Under American ownership they went into the gutter. Working with the Germans didnt help. The Italians kinda saved them but sowed the seeds for future problems. Now the Italians are in bed with the French. Dodge/Chrysler and the others haven't been an American brand in a long long time.
Maybe Stellantis is doing themselves a favor by not starting to make EVs yet. Maybe if the politics go the way they need to in the fall, Stellantis will get the last laugh and not even have to make EVs. Then all of the resources and money that has been pissed away on EVs by Ford and GM will be all a waste. I sure hope so, but stellantis has even bigger issues than carbon credits. They can't even make reliable or appealing ICEs right now. They're in big trouble in every regard.
US politics have zero bearing on European requirements. Those EV's will be produced come hell or high water- if anything we're going to see a relaxing and backing off of the aggressive timetables phasing out ICE. Likely we will see the western world move to mimic the massive charging infrastructure rollout China pulled off in such a short time; China now has massive EV adoption compared to the rest of the world mainly because they have a great public charging infrastructure- sadly leaving the US in the dust partly because of our tendency to politicize everything over here as of late, and we're politically dysfunctional and polarized to the point the rest of the world is starting to leave us behind- we're stuck in the mud thanks to our failing two party political system. We the consumers are the only ones who lose in that regard with less choice, less competition, etc.
@@akbarroosevelt2246 Many of their vehicles have taken long time to sell in past you never see vehicle on their lot more then a month now seems same one there a year.
@@akbarroosevelt2246 I don’t blame you a bit I loved the old ones my uncle had several a 392, 426, and couple 225 each great in their own way sister had 318 challenger great car good mpg but she thought she needed a SUV being she was having kids. She had no idea I wanted her car in a weak moment she trade it in Seems like every-time manufacturers try to appease the government they became a lot less reliable or the reliable designed ones go up in price. I hope the straight six is as reliable as the 225 was but I know it won’t be. I am disappointed with government and those who vote them in ruining common man’s life so those who really challenge our environment get a pass. Rules for you not for thee cost getting ridiculous for what you get. A hybrid V8 may have been better think better then over working an engine. Guess at some point we be just leasing cars government picks for us. I’d like to see light weigh with V8 engines, ok if hybrid because EV won’t work for me yet.
I've owned several Mopars /Mustangs, Vettes...they all have their own pros/cons. The C8 is a marvel of performance at the base price. I'd argue the Hellcat was too when introduced...unfortunately we all know what happened to their prices over the past few years.
I miss the day Dodge made the old dart and Demon light weight reliable vehicle of the 70’s that I could afford and enjoy. A simple vehicle that would not let me down.
OC. I had a car way back in the 70s that got in the low 50 mpg and in a car no one wanted. It was a four banger. A aluminum block motor no less. You had to run it dry of oil before it would even think about throwing a rod. The manual trans came in a short stick and a tall stick. The short stick was a non overdrive and the tall stick was a overdrive. The last one i had built i had the tallest rear end gear i could find. It had a Holly 435 small 4 barrel carb. Split exhaust manifold with dauls that sounded kind of funny even with glass packs. The draw backs were it was a point system and had a intermittent electrical problem that would eat a battery in less than half a hour and would kill a set of points. With fresh points i could get 54 to 55 mpg. It sucked off the line bad. I could red line it at 5000 and dump the clutch on ice and it would lurch forward and die but not spin a wheel. I never did find it's top end but about 140 was all i was willing to push it too. Just got way to lite for me at that speed. I had the motor steel sleeved with one and half thousandth above the block and not punched all the way down so the sleeve did not slip. Had 250 thousandth milled off the cast iron head with a idler pully installed to take up slack on the timing belt. With all that work the motor put out just 300 horse naturally asperated. Care to guess the make and model of the car? It was no speed setter off the line. A Chevy Vega. A car no one wanted and was dirt cheap. The only other car i ever drove that got super mileage was a 3 cylinder diesel Toyota Starlite. It was fast either but got in mid to high 40s. They were not sold in the US either. So cars can get high mpg but they just are not as fun to drive.
The one thing that I appreciate that Stellantis did, was to honor my 'friends and family' purchase of my 2022 Challenger Redeye. I think that they should consider bringing back the Hellcat vehicles.
GM doesn't have to buy emissions credits from Tesla to offset their HALO V8's- they make a ton of other efficient small powertrains, hybrids, AND EV's- that offset the carbon penalties; Dodge had nothing to offset that, and they spent BILLIONS in credits over the years. There's your answer. Oh and Dodge has been broke since 2009, so there's that.
As a Former GM only owner, Now 💯% Honda only for fuel mileage etc, I even know what most American's want Loud High output V8s anything Smaller than a V6 good luck Stallatis, O for anyone wondering, My opinion >Your Car don't care the Brand shouldn't have anything under A 2 Liter ICE engine....End of story, Hybrids different subject, Personally still like the Sound of my 5.7 GM 🇺🇸 Vortec with almost 300.000 miles.
Not only does Ford have the MachE, they have the electric Maverick pick up , there may also be a electric Bronco but I am not sure, all helping to offset the corporate MPG.... two cars I will never ever buy but I've got my 500 horsepower v8 because of them, no thanks to the Joe Biden EPA crushing the Auto industry.
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Because the V8 push rod design is the best engine ever made, need say no more.
DOHC can spin over 15K rpm push rod is old tech like side valve.
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@@stewart8127 RPM is nothing, torque is where it's at, high rpm overhead cam engines have a very short life, push rod is a more modern design than overhead cam, in a V configured engine, the overhead cam has proven the be a very poor design, look at Ford and all their problems with the V8, almost all automotive records in almost all categories are held by the V8 push rod engine, almost all records belong to the small block Chevy, even today Chevy powered cars win more races than all other brands combined, why do you think in NASCAR all the cars in all the divisions are powered by Chevy push rod engines, all Trans Am TA2 cars are powered by Chevy, why, and through my life as a mechanic, race car builder and driver, every single vehicle that I have seen with over 1 million miles on it has been a GM push rod design engine.
Hahaha Honda bikes run longer than Harley you probably don't know the difference between SOHC AND DOHC. And have never seen shim a bucket lifters . How is one cam hitting hitting 32 lifters going to wear faster than 2 cams hitting 16 lifters . Whatever be brainwashed dude
I had 1 million miles on Ford 1992 Taurus and Volvo 240.
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@@stewart8127 You are the brain washed one, a Harly engine will outlast a Honda 5 to 1, you are confused, I was not even talking about motorcycles, and you don't have a clue what the hell you're talkin about, a push rod engine has no overhead cams, it has one cam, right where it's supposed to be, hundreds of time less moving parts, and that is why the Chevy small block owns almost all automotive records in almost all categories, the sbc has won more races than all other manufactures combined and today, still winning more races than all manufacturer's combined worldwide, I've been building race engines, race cars, and racing them for over 30 years, road course endurance cars, I just love it when someone tries to inject an opinion into something they know nothing about.
I was invited to the 2024 Ford Performance Preview in Charlotte, NC on January 17. Mr. Jim Farley , and all the Ford Performance Racing drivers were there. From NASCAR, NHRA, Baja racing, Rally racing, and Drifting with Vaughn Gittin Jr and all the team RTR drivers… even Bill Ford and Edsel Ford were In attendance! Jim Farley took the stage! I was standing there…. when he said, “the FORD V-8 is not going anywhere.. EVEN, if everybody else drops it …we’re keeping it going.” It was an honor to be there, and to meet everyone! FORD is serious about racing, and their V-8 will be around for a long time!
The auto manufacturers also need to bring back ALL the production from Mexico. Listen to the customers and built what they want! How many times have you read the comment section and people want stick shift, wing vents etc in trucks
The democrat party CAUSED THIS NAFTA bill clintons present to us in his last month of his last term started the mexico moves.This party has put it in our back sides since there inception ,STOP VOTING FOR ANY one in there party!
@@ctfan1486 I miss wing-windows but I just run the air on all the time now. Any of you old enough to know when most vehicles didn’t have air conditioning. Now if you have stick they ask how do I put it in drive?
I find it so funny how some Dodge die hards were saying how proud they were of Doge for not caving in and making EV's, well due to that they are no longer making V8's. Talk about not seeing the forest through the tree's
Great Job! This video was correct. You are exactly right, selling 4 Cylinders, 6 cylinders, turbos, EV's, and Hybrids allow other Auto Co's to keep producing V-8 vehicles. I currently work for an American Car Co a Corporate guy. Exactly what we are doing. I use to work for Chrysler/Dodge as a corporate guy. This was when it was owned only by Chrysler the American Car Co. in the early 1990's. I still love Dodge/Chrysler but as you correctly say it is mis managed. Stellantis is getting in too late with EV's as The EV market is going down. Actually 3/10 EV owners go back to ICE. EV at best will be 10-12% in 10-20 years no matter mandates. Keep up the good work.
As a multiple hemi owner one of the issues i have is that the 5.7 vvt motor has been the same design since 2009. Same intake same heads same out out of 375 hp but the price tag has increased.
As much as I dislike Stallantis. This is not on them. Factually, they are moving in the right direction based on CAFE standards. Sergio and Fiat Chysler are to blame. Fiat Chysler continuously racked up enormous fines for not meeting domestic passenger car requirements. Back in 2016 they reiterated thier goal to spend $10 billion and developing more than 30 hybrid and electric cars by 2022. Politically speaking The Trump administration during that period sought to rollback the previous administration's mpg mandate. Which I believe slowed Fiat Chysler sense of urgency to diversify its product line...
None of the other channels talked about how much money this was projected Had 3 Hellcats could see Dodge was going to bankrupt no new on horizon I went BMW M5 Competition in 23. Vette too small. You hit nail on the head ‼️
Carlos Tavares is an arrogant man who doesn't understand the American market and is dead set on his ways. The French car makers, who never really managed to establish themselves in the US, will fail once again due to their aforementioned arronce. I know Tavares wasn't born in France but he adopted their "car philosophy" and their moronic sales strategy to the American market. The steps they're taking right now replacing their V8s for in-line sixes and electrification will spell disaster for the Chrysler group. It's amazing to see what they're doing, it's almost like they want these companies to disappear from the market!
funny thing, just a few years ago... dodge Said they would keep selling the Hemi and paying the fees.. Because its what the people wanted.. And now..... Poof... Gone..
Stellantis just hasn't learned yet that us Americans love V8s. We don't care how much fuel it uses, we don't care how unnecessary they are, we don't care if a turbo four banger can match the performance, we love big angry V8s in our cars, end of story. I drive a older 07 Explorer Sporttrac with a 300hp V8. The equivalent mid size truck today has similar hp but from a 4 cylinder or v6, do I care? No, why? Because I have 8 pistons screaming the national anthem with bald eagles flying out the tail pipe every time I need to merge onto the turnpike. Stellantis, make all the turbo 4 bangers and 6 bangers you want but if you want to succeed in America you need to get a american flag tattooed onto your ass cheeks and drop a 7.0L V8 hemi option on everything that isn't a scooter.
Im seeing tons of vehicles like trucks that use to have V8s but no longer do. We might like V8s but people are so obsessed with things like trucks or the idea of certain cars they will buy a smaller engine just to get into the club. My boss has this massive Silverado thats a 4 cylinder turbo. Its his work truck. Needed a full cab for the family and the only option was the 4 banger. He tows and does all sorts with it. Waiting to see it blow.
We need to agree that the hemi has had its issues over the years. Dropping valve seats and the top end issues of chewing up cams . Oiling issues and the replacement costs for these engines that weren't being addressed on an engineering level. The stelantis group decided to go in a different direction with the straight six with twin turbo chargers that does put out some impressive numbers for what it is . Of course, the aftermarket will continue to produce the hemi for replacement, and that is where these issues that plagued the hemi will get rectified.
Electric cars have their place . Just not in my world . I knew a lady that lived in Chicago that never traveled more than 3 blocks from her home except to Florida once a year and she flew when she went . In a city like that . I imagine a golf cart 😂( electric car) would probably be sort of convenient. Just plug it up when you get home . Never have to go to a gas station . Guys like me however . I want to hear what I’m driving . Towing , pull my boat to the water . Electric just doesn’t fit into our world
SMH... EV's don't identify idiots. If you really want to be self sufficient, you put solar panels on your house and get an EV. You don't rely on government if everything falls down one day. Now are some people that drive EV's idiots... sure just like some people that drive trucks. If you really don't like EV's then get a OG Beetle that you can run on 100% alcohol without converting any engine components... yeah that idiot that started the 2nd World War knew the first thing he will lose is the fuel supply, so his order to Mr. Porsche was to build something aircooled that can run on any combination between 100% fuel to 100% alcohol Cheers!
It was sold to a European company that’s required them to transition to environmentally friendly technology. Unfortunately, the euro auto giant didn’t realize what they purchased was a brand specifically intended and designed for ICE power enthusiasts and their efforts would completely kill it. It would be like Ford purchasing Ferrari and making them rebrand the name to FordAble.
being around the detroit area dodge ruled around here for so long. but over last few years with the thieft's and piss poor servise you would get i jumped out my scat pack a year ago and swapped over to camaro and havent regretted it. Add in what im see chevy is doing for 2025 bring the ZL1 back along with a Z/28 as the 6.2 V8 with a twinturbo on them im jumping onto the waiting list to order 1 of them and trade out my 2023
I think the offset you're referring to with gm and Ford making enough EVs and 4 bangers, to create themselves a cushion to still make v8s is going to be short-lived because the EVs aren't selling. There's lots all over michigan here right now full of mach Es and f150s that have been taken off of dealer lots, or haven't even made it to a dealer yet, because they have so many recalls and can't be sold. So sure, maybe they played along enough to give themselves enough leeway to keep making v8s, but they're still going to end up shooting themselves in the foot because they're just pissing away money on making cars to appease the government that aren't selling. I still don't think that means once stellantis tries to electrify that they are going to be above water again, because there has to be a reason why there's all these "cost cutting measures" and no more paying for carbon credits. And I think it's because stellantis is in big big trouble. And it seems their American brands are the ones that are on the back burner, even though we love CDJR. It is absolutely mismanagement at its finest. It's disgusting and sad.
dodge set the bar back in 2015 with a 700hp hellcat....kept the same interior for yeeears....they could've at least added the big screen like the ram trucks have....and possibly an all wheel drive system would've been big....
In my opinion I feel that the c.a.f.e standard is defunked and it needs to go away so manufacturers can make truly unique cars that people want to buy...
I sold my hellcat a few years ago for a Z06 2019 best car I ever had no handling spinning ain't winning Chevy Gang all day ☠️💀☠️💯 new ZR1 is eating everything for breakfast
Hey Brad can I get that ZR1 I was giving my super Bee to my wife and if you see the car traps at 150 mph 41 more horsepower then demon and it traps at 150 they're saying it's going to do 9 I think it'll do 8 and I still have my Shelby on order GT 650
I concur -- this has deeper roots than just the EV efficiency. The in-line 6 that they're basing everything upon is another clue to what you're saying -- they have to get their CAFE numbers up and from what I can see they're throwing a lot of baby out with this bathwater on the way. Back to that efficiency thing. Ford started on this track back in the early 90's at least with the focus on the overhead cam designs of their V8s. It definitely made things hard (I had a 2V 97 Mustang GT -- there was nothing at the time other than forced induction to tune them, the tech was too new and Ford didn't seem to care about power -- they cared about the MPG numbers IMHO). They kept this up through the Ecoboost 2.3 liter engines, deep-sixing their V6 -- anything to keep the average fuel economy numbers as good as they could. Another clue to this game, you could buy a dealer installed supercharger setup for a Mustang GT that didn't even void the warranty. Why wouldn't they offer this as an option from the factory (other than the Predator motors in the GT500 -- again, very small production numbers for those)? Why? Because it the CAFE number for the average on that car would still be the numbers BEFORE the blower was installed. Is this a fair game? No -- but as you point out, it's the game as it sits today. It's like NASCAR or any other artificial rule set -- these are the rules and the people that learn to cheat around them a bit come out on top. Another thing Ford did was make the F150 body out of Aluminum. Besides gaining towing capacity and so on -- it definitely had an impact on that CAFE number. Speaking of more cheating -- I have friends with the twin turbo 2.7 and they get great mileage out of them -- when they're not towing something or hammering on the accelerator. When they do that they get worse economy than a 5.0 NA motor... Again, those fuel economy numbers I'm certain are calculated with the best theoretical average from that v6 -- not when Mario is at the gas petal. This stuff all adds up. This is why Chevy has that crazy 2.7 Liter i-4 -- people are shocked that it gets worse fuel economy than the LS motor in a Silverado -- but I'll bet the EPA numbers are helping GM or they wouldn't be doing stuff like this. All this motor nonsense is difficult -- but those are the breaks. Great breakdown -- also, I love my Mustangs. That lame-ass station wagon that has the Pony logo on it turns my damn stomach -- I don't care how it performs 0-60 etc, it's not a pony car. Just saying I have to agree with your sentiments there as well.
How about all the carbon that is produced in the battery manufacturing process?? EVs are terribly inefficient and horrible for the environment. Wake up people
I'm a car guy, 68 and 4 boys and LOTS of Classic Mustangs. Caddy's etc... Didn't know all this... or realize why Ford ect keep building Mach E POS... NO WONDER DUH!.... Thank YOU !!! Excellent explanation! Dodge is going to go out of Business
I said this about 3 years ago when debating with a Dodge fan that they won't be making any V8s due to them not keeping up with the CAFE laws. I said this just this past month on a Facebook post that they didn't play by CAFE laws and this is why this is happening. Dodge depended on these laws being reversed. They put all of their eggs in one basket.
All of my favorite performance car brands have died or are dying a slow and painful death, first Mitsubishi, then Subaru, now Dodge, truly heartbreaking.
Those arguing CAFE standards and emission standards need to go, were you around in the 60's, before these standards? I was, and I still have my first car, a '67 Olds Cutlass Convertible. It averages around 13mpg on the highway, 8 in the city, and the exhaust smell will knock you out if you're anywhere near it. It was like this when brand new too. The quality of cars and trucks were terrible back then compared to today and 20 to 30mph collisions were deadly. Imagine what it was and would be like when millions of these cars and trucks were driving around big city's, leaving a very visible layer of smog hanging in the air everywhere. The government emission requirements enormously clean up the air you breathe, and CAFE standards reduce the cost of driving and further clean up the air. Manufacturers are still able to build everything from powerful V8's to EVs as long as they put in the R&D to meet these standards. Keep in mind too that both GM and Chrysler wouldn't even be here today if the government hadn't bailed them out multiple times over the years.
Stellantis doesn't realize that America is not like Europe when it comes to automobiles
This☝️
Their arrogance won't allow it.
Carlos also ran Nissan's US operations when he worked for Renault and we saw where that went.
Very true👍👍
I honestly believe they don’t.
Dodge just needs to be owned by the American ppl at this point.
Dodge has been passed around like a cheap hooker. The technology is obsolete.
Yes! Bring dodge back home to fix the problem. I want to be a Mopar fan again
Kauft Dodge Stellantis ab
Für eine Sonderdividende
It was owned by American people. It went bust. That is how it ended up in its current predicament.
Exactly. Same for Jeep and Ram
Stellantis simply doesn't understand the American auto consumer.
Exactly. I've never wanted to own a Peugeot nor a Fiat. Still don't.
It’s impossible they don’t understand bro they numbers speak lol they made major money on srt , there killing the compmay on purpose to sell to someone it’s a back door deal they lower it sell for cheaper for a secret back door payment tax fee for a few people … that’s the real reason
@@RollinIsbell I've wanted to own one of their diesel hatchbacks... I'd for sure take a modernized Dodge Neon
@@2010hyundaielantra there was a modern Dodge Neon. It was the Dodge Dart and no one wanted them. And yes the Neon was Cheaply built too so you can’t use that agains the Dart
@@unigamehead Oh yeah i forgot. Mexico's Fiat tipo, right?
Dodge going to watch Mustang and Corvette sales skyrocket.
And Camero.
@@lasvegasotis6780camaro stopped production
@@georgetrevino3532 Other might our manufacturers need to put pressure on politicians to look out for its customers the EV failed so badly hope they all can recover. I like to cheaper option and perhaps a few hybrids.
@@lasvegasotis6780 Camaro might be getting canceled? Chevy will have V8 Corvette Ford Mustang has many options plus V8
@@jmanke6057 Camaro is getting cancelled 2025
I’m a mopar girl and really disappointed with what’s become of Dodge . At least I have my vintage mopar to remind me of what the company used to be like.
Marry me !!!
What's vintage to you?
@@CleteSr 1966 Belvedere
@@Nichole-440HP I'm with you 100% I used to love the American Chrysler Corporation now all I have is my 1969 charger in my 1972 Plymouth Roadrunner
Same! Thankful for my Blown 2011 SRT8 Challenger and my Resto Mod 410 EFI stroker 72 Challenger and my 21 Ram Lariat that's lifted on 35's and
some other mods.. There is nothing that CDJR has that I want now. Very disgusted with Stellantis they are a garbage company.
We know its not about actual environmental stuff. The CEOs flying private jets while we gotta use paper straws.
CEOs? Dude. It's the environmentalist nazis that infect the politicians.
good point
@@priapicpear4200 But that's why they have to push environmental stuff. They want 1,000 peasants to switch to electric to offset their private jet carbon footprint 😅
Maybe if they wrote "Climate change is real" in smoke letters from their private jets, I would believe in it.
That's why we won't give up our V8s.
Dodge taking away the V8s drove the prices of mustangs higher, less competition. That CAFE thing needs to go its just destroying cars.
CAFE is not really destroying cars. It is forcing the auto companies to make better engines. They were turning out crap 30-40 years ago, that is how the Japanese walked in and ate their lunch. The same engineering that gives you fuel efficiency also gives you the monstrous horsepower and torque numbers. Lazy companies blame CAFE. They just don't want to spend money on research and engineering. A middle of the road V6 in an SUV now has about 300HP. Muscle cars back in the 60's were just over that. I don't want to even think about V8s in the 1970s.
Also, Chevy is building a 1000+ HP engine. Tell me again how CAFE us destroying cars?
Good point
The cafe standards ruined trucks, that's why we can't have V8 small trucks anymore. Bad fuel economy they say but I feel like a small truck nowadays could achieve 20s in the mpgs and a V8. Though I think cafe standards says if the wheel base is a certain size it needs to achieve close to 30s or In the 30s for mpgs or they get charged even more
@@MR3DDev it's literally why we can't have small trucks anymore that burn less fuel
@@MR3DDev CAFE exists for a reason. It sucks but it’s the way it is. It’s around so we don’t continue to destroy the environment.
I wonder what the corporate culture at Stellantis is like. Must be some reflection of hell.
Its the democrat party !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tea sipping smug Brits
Skinny jeans and visits to private island.
@@andrewslagle1974 Corporate america is the definition of republican dystopia. But way to look the average IQ of a rapist lover
Their priority is Europe. The American market isn't valuable to them.
I wish Jeep would at least start up as an American company. And concentrate on simplicity and reliability.
A no frills 4X4 is all I want.
Dodge should’ve had a basic economy suv or sedan and a basic electric vehicle , boom good to go with the V8’s
They did , and Carlos cancelled it... The "Chrysler Airflow"
They did have an economy car. The dart/Chrysler 200. 4 cylinder engine cars. Hell my sister and her fiance have both those cars from 2014 and 2015 so its not something they just started
In interest of fairness they built those renegades for YEARS. It was a dart drivetrain in a toaster. Basically an AWD Kia soul. So they did offer a cheap economy car, and they sold a lot of them
Edit: Also how many Fiat 500s did you see driving around. They had economy cars, they just didn't have the Dodge name after the dart
Credits are communist
You hit the nail on the head laying the blame at the feet of Peugeot/Fiat. (Stellantis is just a name to try to hide the identity of the guilty.) The CAFE standards have been known for a long time, yet nothing was done to prepare the company for the future while Ford and GM did their homework.
The current earnings collapse shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. This was predictable years ago as they cancelled plans for new models and we didn't even hear rumors of new models. Instead, they left their dealers with virtually no 2024 models to sell.
Chrysler had a 4cyl .... the Dart and the Chrysler 200 .... and they killed the model instead of updating the interior styling. They abandoned the small-to-midsize SUV market when they killed the Journey. The Dodge Caravan invented the minivan market and no longer even exists. They put all of their eggs in the big cars and big trucks basket.
I love my 392 HEMI ... but reality is that it is the least efficient V8 on the market in spite of giving it two-plugs-per-cylinder to improve emissions. And by a wide margin. Dodge has known this for YEARS and did nothing to develop a replacement.
Now .... Dodge is a victim of its own marketing success. They pushed the HEMI in ads and commercials so effectively that their customers don't want anything else.
@@RollinIsbell I like the 392 myself back then cost of 100 octane was cheaper than today. Love seeing them in everything that shows Im an old guy doesn’t it….
@RollinIsbell i know I don't want anything else. Last 3 trucks I've had were hemis
Chrysler may not have any 4 cylinders, but Peugeot in Europe has plenty. They could have just brought some of those cars over here and rebranded them as Dodges. Really easy solution that was at the tips of their fingers but they didn't do it. They even have performance focused ones so they could make RT or SRT versions of the new smaller cars. Look up the Lancia Ypsilon Rally HF and tell me that wouldn't be awesome as a Dodge Dart SRT.
People also forget that Ford and Chevy updated their engines over time too. We’re on a 4th generation Coyote while the LS/LT changed in 3 generations to keep up with what was going on, then add in the EV/hybrid stuff that offset everything. Dodge/Chrysler etc were making their bed long before the Stellantis merger.
exactly it's annoying reading these comments blaming everyone but Dodge for their idiotic decisions
@@MaddNomad1015 absolutely right. How has a 2023 Hemi 5.7 changed from a 2005? Same engine! And barely any aftermarket support compared to GM or Ford.
@@WoolfJ35 from how I look at it, Dodge made themselves a “specialty brand” sometime after 2015-16 when the Hellcat was released, fast forward to 2023 and they had a lineup of only 3 vehicles, so yes in a way they did it to themselves
Also what is funny about the ZR1 is supposedly that 1064 HP is achieved on normal 93 octane gas where the Demon 170 required E85 to get its 1025 HP. Chevy engineering really did work some magic with the ZR1
No 'magic'!!! It's called turbo charging!!!
Porsche did it decades ago with the 917/30 twin turbo flat twelve. It was so fast and successful the racing authorities outlawed it!!!
That was in 1971!!!
@@LWRC yes but still I was shocked at that HP number since I was not expecting them to add almost 400hp to the Z06’s engine to give us the ZR1 engine
@@crushbaseball4270 be more shocked it's not a hybrid either
Throw Enough Cubic dollars at it. It can be done.
@@crushbaseball4270
This is actually very good and manufacturers need to go this path instead of the hybrid method. All the batteries and electric motors are complete nonsense and adds more complexity and causes more problems! Just imagine, you are about to do a run and all of a sudden, you are down 250HP because the hybrid battery controller sensed an excess battery temperature and shut down the electric motors!
The government NEEDS to stay out of cars. Period.
Technically it's unconstitutional
Vote accordingly
STAY OUT OF OUR PERSONAL LIVES you mean....govt ruins everything it touches
@@billcraig7791 Please explain. What can our voting do? Voting is a fantasy.
Memories are so short. Did we all just forget that the government bailed out the car companies?
They could have gone with the 5.7L V8 and tweaked it, modernized it to get both better gas mileage and get more horsepower. Then, putting it in the smaller body of the Banshee, it could have gotten substantially better MPG. Could have also done the same with the V6.
The Banshee is not smaller than the current platform it’s actually twice as big and way heavier they went backwards it’s nowhere under 4,100lbs
Turbo charge the V6
They would’ve had to update it way before they merged with Stellantis. That’s how Ford and Chevy did it. We’re on a 4th generation Coyote while the LS/LT changed in 3 generations.
@@redhunnid5142 It's only heavier because it is EV. It may be longer, but it is definitely less bulky than the old Charger. I'm pretty sure the chassis on the Banshee will be lighter than the ancient Mercedes-based chassis.
Yes but the hurricane inline 6 is a much better engine everyway (except sound) compared to the 5.7 hemi as the hemi is basically maxed out what it can do while keeping within the epa and also the 5.7 is old and it is time for a new engine as fca was making the hurricane engine 3 years prior there debut so the hemis where already on there way out at least the 5.7 and 6.4, people will complain for a little bit and then they will like it like almost every brand out there does
Even if you could get the hornet for 20k I still wouldn’t want one
@@nicksmith2604 that thing is U G L Y
Yes it would have to better
Crappp
@@nicksmith2604 Dodge Chrysler had good roots once. I will wait and see how the Hurricane 6 pans out. Vehicles have gotten to heavy and overburdened with tech some of it is cool but I want a vehicle thats affordable yet reliable. Prices that these vehicles have gotten, they ought to be able to give you a nice car and an electric golf cart for daily use. Dodge miss judged world events and way our administration plans would get things handled. This has caused misery to the whole world. I don’t mean this politically any group could have had fine plans but not realize implementation of them had to be more carefully handled. Sad to see what happened to our auto industry wish they all pull together and make it clear we have same goals just more carefully implemented please. The public shouldn’t need to suffer so much. Those with wealth might not understand or care being insulated so but look around unless you like what you see happening in once great areas of the world this is just a symptom. Come on do better.
Beleave Hornet was AMC product.
I see a ZR1 in your future...
Yup, dodge could have easily kept the hemi going. Perhaps a Charger 170 with superstock spec (like the superbee).
#1 They did NOT want to keep buying emissions credits.
#2 They didn’t want to invest in a new, modern v8 motor.
#3 EVs are the future/present. EVs have progressed sooo much that the current administration needed to quadruple tariffs
Even Toyota Tesla and most manufacturers would be wiped out if Chinese EVs were allowed to be sold in the US
Where would all these Chinese EV’s be plugged in? And how will people go more than a 200 miles without sitting at chargers for hours considering everyone has a Chinese ev?
@@bigjdm5460 china earlier this year publicly started selling a 600 mi range EV AND that particular manufacturer already had the ability to change out the battery within minutes
@@bigjdm5460 Chinese’s EVs have longer range, charge faster, are more efficient, cheaper, and have the ability to do a battery swap within minutes.
And the technology is only developing quickly…..just like with all other technology. It’s only getting better and cheaper
$50,000 $90,000 for a dodge is why so many of them are rotting on dealership lots😂😂💯💯
Stellantis reminds me of corporate raiders back in the 80s who strip a company of resources and leaves it flat broke. just like they have done to turn Americas Midwest into the rust belt.
The ZR-1 does it on 93 and not on corn fuel.
Because it's a super high revving dohc motor with 20 psi of turbo boost. It isn't rocket science.
@@midnight347 simple is better
@@midnight34793 is trash. Idc, if it makes 1000hp on 93, it's a bad idea.
@TTyote 93 is great. You can do short hop driving without obliterating your engine and fuel system. Can also store it forever without worry of killing your engine. E-85 is for race cars only in my personal opinion.
@@ChefofWar33 I've run e85 for 3 years straight and never had any issues. If you live in a state like Florida and you're trying to make more than 700hp, you need to be on e85. 93 detonates bad in the florida heat, and e85 burns a lot cooler than 93 while also being rated at about 105 octane. Most pump 93 is hotdog water compared to e85.
To be fair the other companies your talking about wasn't going through the passing of their CEO before he could successfully pass things over in 2018. Then two years later we were all hit with the pandemic, which led to many deaths and chip shortages. Which hurt everyone, however they had a two year CEO during this time. Then in 2021, FCA made a big merger with PSA, which made them the 7th largest company in the world. So, while they're might not have been any fully electric vehicles in North America, PSA Group had several fully electric vehicles that were being sold in 2021. This is a global company, they're not just focused on north America. They can't be, even if they wanted to. And if I'm honest I've been around the car industry for a long time. I remember when Ford and GM started dipping their feet into the hybrid and fully electric pool. Not to mention going Eco boost and E85 V6s on a lot of their platforms that were V8s. All the fans were clowning them, "why is Dodge putting V8s in everything while GM and Ford seem to be going away from them?" they said. Some even jumped ship with Dodge releases of the Hellcat variety. Then 2023 hit and everybody forgot how Dodge was giving the fans what they wanted, when everyone else wasn't but it came with a cost. Yeah Dodge could've tried their hands at hybrids and EVs before the merger with Fiat. My question is this, where was the technology for EVs and Hybrids gonna come from? Dodge, Jeep and Chrysler haven't been able to up their game on tech since they lost it all to Daimler. So Fiat was the best move, they brought in the new tech and Dodge made it look better in North America.
The days of the EPA are numbered. In November CAFE will be gone. This is a fools argument. You need to watch the interview with the former CEO of Chrysler where he talks about how the company was forced to make dinky cars that aren't profitable because of what you are talking about. All of this BS dealing with govt. involved in the auto industry is flat out stupid. The goal is Soylent Green. FJB, FKH.
Make sure you go out and vote. Too many stupid people in this country.
Why suddenly in November will CAFE suddenly be gone? If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you- at a real good discount. Don't get caught up believing everything you hear thrown around in presidential politics, you'll be very disappointed. We're still waiting on Trumps "infrastructure" plan, which was always a few weeks away. Never happened. A President isn't a king, they can't unilaterally just will things into and out of existence because they say so- that's naive to think so. There's still half the country that supports all those policies, and like has been the case in the past, they'll fight just as hard to keep those policies in place. Even if something does change, once the other half of the country takes control again- it will be right back in place, likely with even more enshrinement into law to make it more difficult to repeal in the future. Why wasn't CAFE repealed under the previous Trump admin??? Exactly.
What we need is 6000 pound cars that get 10 miles per gallon. Do you realize how dumb that sounds?
Why will CAFE suddenly be gone in November? There's no one person that can unilaterally make that decision, and that's not even taking into account all the people who were responsible for, and support those policies; half the population. If you believe that suddenly all will be made well in November, I have a bridge to sell you- at a sweet discount of course. Short of minor changes here and there, these huge policies like CAFE, agencies like the EPA, etc aren't going anywhere. Even with their unpopularity among auto enthusiasts, those policies and agencies have broad support among the general population. Eliminating the EPA, dept of education, etc- are hugely unpopular moves across the spectrum; really mostly everyone outside of the far right. It's fine to have a healthy imagination though.
@@Alan-tr5uj boot licker, no one is forced to obey them as of last month if you haven't been paying attention. Keep driving your gokart.
Fire carlos tavares and hire tim.kunis as ceo. Hire the fca engineers back...... bring back hemi. Problem solved. Screw go green. It's obvious it's destroying mopar.
Are you tellin me that a tree hugger is why I can drive a V8?
No... worse... a Lefty.
NO ITS THE DEMOCRAT PARTY WITH THERE POLICIES AND IDEOLOGIES STOP VOTING FOR ANY DEMOCRAT LOCAL ,STATE OR FEDERAL!!!!!!!!!!!
Democrats destroy everything like a elephant in a china shop
@@frankvanfossan so… you don’t like trees? All that matters is that nothing changes and we have V8 Chryslers for hundreds of years to come? Do you have kids or grandkids?
No, it's because of sun dodgers
Dodge went woke and went broke 😂
bruh, you gotta stop being a goober and a sheep thinking everything is a damn woke thing...its not. It's all about their corporate overlords who are European and trying to be cheap . And when youre being cheap and trying to consolidate costs....that means they're gonna follow a European model of everything (Not American) in peddling more cost-effective V-6 and 4 bangers LIKE THEY DO IN EUROPE. DO SOME DAMN RESEARCH FOR ONCE
@@Dougsellshouston how did they go woke and how did the others not? Idiots love this slogan and it’s never applicable
Lol😅
Dodge has always been broke. Then they went woke, and went even more broke.
If they went woke then they would “know” what American buyers want.
So no goofy…they are not “woke”! Keep that corny Trumpian smack where it belongs, the garbage!
Thanks @ocmotivator, as always, for the great content, and for bringing this particular subject to light. Quite a few comments in previous videos blaming the government and the current administration as the source of the literal heart of Mopar going away. Not so as you deftly pointed out. Instead, a travesty how mismanaged the Dodge brand has been with the incredible lack of foresight in bringing to market even a handful of ‘compliance’ vehicles to help raise the brand’s corporate average fuel economy so the V8 could have lived on. As you mentioned, hopefully Stellantis starts turning around their misguided ship full of foolish decisions and works to resurrect the V8. I wonder if Tavares has actually ever driven a V8-power Mopar product, especially a Scat Pack, Hellcat or Demon? Something tells me he hasn't. I'm traditionally a European car guy but after driving a Charger Hellcat Redeye not too long ago, I can't stop thinking about it. I'd be willing to bet he'd feel similarly, he might finally understand what the Dodge brand is about.
@@raymco5 25 mpg was fine but now they say you need 30 mpg but really in real life you still get 25 unless you very careful. In future the want 50+ guess they will bring back mopeds.
My point is this, yes Dodge was late to the hybrid and electric party, that does not mean stellantis as a whole was. Also, while many people may be laughing at them while they are down. Just remember that not too long ago, they were doing the same thing to GM and Ford. Even I have to admit that I didn't know what they were doing either but they got the last laugh didn't they. Not because they listened to their customers/fans, but because they made the necessary adjustments for the future. I do believe that there have been some great moves made by Stellantis to prepare them for this storm, however some will not make it to the next chapter of the journey and that's life. Just know that they have a plan and though people don't like it, they have to be willing to make the necessary adjustments for the future in order to have a successful one.💯
Dart and Chrysler 200 were most 4 cylinder engine. (I own 2016 Chrysler 200C AWD w/3.6 liter great car).
Discontinued because V-8 powered vehicles Sell
@@michaelriebandt6754 hope you replaced your oil filter housing by now or you will. Glad they kept that same design for about a decade. Good thing they come with the worst warranty from factory (3 years, 36k miles)
Well the bottom line is the Gen 3 hemi is a garbage motor, and in stock form with the iron exhaust manifold you are rolling the dice between broken manifold bolts and rocker failure. Both happen quite often under 100K miles.
And Brad my favorite thing about the car is not only the horsepower partial to the split window because it was maybe year I was born the original one in 1963
I will always remember Dodge for being for the American people I'm so proud of myself that I worked hard to buy mines and every time I get into my car I feel good about it I will always believe in Dodge I remember the first time I got my car 🚗 built I'm proud to ride my Dodge Challenger 392😂
Wish Chevy kept the Camaro. I still want one of those SSs.
I feel the same way
@@sir.confident I'm a Ford guy and I agree.
@@VictorSanchez-kp9nt I dig Mustangs too! Especially that new Dark Horse.
It’s cars period, everyone thinks they need a suv or a truck. The corvette is unapproachable anymore, as are Cadillacs V series, rich people cars. Only the Asians are still making affordable cars. Average new car 46000, 2014 Camaro SS 1LE new in 14? I payed 38000 for a 1SS 1LE, I still have it 72000 miles, still the most reliable car ever, I bulletproofed it with all the parts needed for a long life, cam kit, high flow oil pump, trunion upgrade, all fluids, rear end trans, all of them every 20,000 miles changed, oil at 3000, screw the computer saying it’s time to change/ oil life, don’t wait til 5, 6 thousand miles, Amsoil works for me
Chevy is bringing back the camaro , esclade truck, Cross over Volt (ev)
My 2017 Ram Ecodiesel has averaged over 30 mpg for almost 180,000 miles. Of course Ram has stopped making em. Owned 2 hemis before, also great.
Why they don't build a v-8 , It's very simple they want you to buy what they want you to buy. Clearly, you need to follow their wishes, in their opinion.
Then the response is a 50% drop from the first 6 months last year to this year
@@Jmeon4evaimagine another 50% drop in the next 6! That’s a 75% drop that same year! It’s insane how bad they’re doing now you could say they made a grave mistake! 😂
Ich mache mir große Sorgen das Stellantis in die Pleite rutscht wie fast PSA Peugeot Citroën 2012
Die haben auch auf Halde produziert und keiner oder nicht genug wollten es kaufen
Ich dachte Carlos Tavares wollte nicht mehr auf Halde produzieren.
Löhne sind seit dem Streik 2023 auch zu hoch......
@@thomasheitmann1804wages are not too high. It only costs around 10k usd to build these cars
Here's the crazy thing, if you totally ignore cafe standards and release a car that literally gets 0 miles per gallon, it will have a $2778 ($5.50 per 0.1 mpg under 55 mpg) tax penalty. It is not possible to exceed that. That kind of tax doesn't strike me as a deal breaker for a lot of people looking at these kinds of cars.
Carlos was busy snorting coke.
GM actually makes TONS of electric cars. I feel like people forget that cars like the honda prologue are made by GM
You know what buddy I’ve been following you and watching you for quite a while now since you had the RT that’s when I first started watching you because I had a RT at the time, then you got the scat bag then you got the hellcat redeye still watching and I figured out you do it because the love of the The love of the V8 and Dodge in general you like it for the same reasons we all do too. You remind me of President Donald J Trump his love for the country is exactly like your love is for Dodge in the muscle cars and I respect you both keep up the good work. I totally enjoy your videos and they’re very informative, Ziggy and I checking out for the evening
Ford and GM are American. Stellantis is a Euro brand now.
@@rich7447 That is sad!! We need to keep Dodge as an American brand.
@@robertbellamy1274 Unfortunately it looks like Dodge is heading down the road to being a rebadged Euro economy car. The Hornet is already there.
Under American ownership they went into the gutter.
Working with the Germans didnt help.
The Italians kinda saved them but sowed the seeds for future problems.
Now the Italians are in bed with the French.
Dodge/Chrysler and the others haven't been an American brand in a long long time.
Maybe Stellantis is doing themselves a favor by not starting to make EVs yet. Maybe if the politics go the way they need to in the fall, Stellantis will get the last laugh and not even have to make EVs. Then all of the resources and money that has been pissed away on EVs by Ford and GM will be all a waste. I sure hope so, but stellantis has even bigger issues than carbon credits. They can't even make reliable or appealing ICEs right now. They're in big trouble in every regard.
US politics have zero bearing on European requirements. Those EV's will be produced come hell or high water- if anything we're going to see a relaxing and backing off of the aggressive timetables phasing out ICE. Likely we will see the western world move to mimic the massive charging infrastructure rollout China pulled off in such a short time; China now has massive EV adoption compared to the rest of the world mainly because they have a great public charging infrastructure- sadly leaving the US in the dust partly because of our tendency to politicize everything over here as of late, and we're politically dysfunctional and polarized to the point the rest of the world is starting to leave us behind- we're stuck in the mud thanks to our failing two party political system. We the consumers are the only ones who lose in that regard with less choice, less competition, etc.
@Alan-tr5uj
China spent $233 billion to help with their EV development.
2022 the US sold 800,000 EVs, China sold 6.8 MILLION.
Different cultures.
Stellantis is a dumpsterfire.
@@akbarroosevelt2246 Many of their vehicles have taken long time to sell in past you never see vehicle on their lot more then a month now seems same one there a year.
@jmanke6057 as a life-long mopar owner and fan i refuse to support them anymore. 2024 and older mopar for me the rest of my life lol
@@akbarroosevelt2246 I don’t blame you a bit I loved the old ones my uncle had several a 392, 426, and couple 225 each great in their own way sister had 318 challenger great car good mpg but she thought she needed a SUV being she was having kids. She had no idea I wanted her car in a weak moment she trade it in Seems like every-time manufacturers try to appease the government they became a lot less reliable or the reliable designed ones go up in price. I hope the straight six is as reliable as the 225 was but I know it won’t be. I am disappointed with government and those who vote them in ruining common man’s life so those who really challenge our environment get a pass. Rules for you not for thee cost getting ridiculous for what you get. A hybrid V8 may have been better think better then over working an engine. Guess at some point we be just leasing cars government picks for us. I’d like to see light weigh with V8 engines, ok if hybrid because EV won’t work for me yet.
My 5.0 mustang gets 25mpg on a trip. No V8s = no buy
They did. We're all stunned by the ZR1 though...Im going to rip into a bit. And rant....lol. I have issues with the C8 in general.
I've owned several Mopars /Mustangs, Vettes...they all have their own pros/cons. The C8 is a marvel of performance at the base price.
I'd argue the Hellcat was too when introduced...unfortunately we all know what happened to their prices over the past few years.
Chrysler has always been a weak automaker
Carlos, Are you Listening???
Carlos listens only to Europeans.
I miss the day Dodge made the old dart and Demon light weight reliable vehicle of the 70’s that I could afford and enjoy. A simple vehicle that would not let me down.
Those cafe standards will kill everybody by 2031, dodge will just be the first to drop
OC. I had a car way back in the 70s that got in the low 50 mpg and in a car no one wanted. It was a four banger. A aluminum block motor no less. You had to run it dry of oil before it would even think about throwing a rod. The manual trans came in a short stick and a tall stick. The short stick was a non overdrive and the tall stick was a overdrive. The last one i had built i had the tallest rear end gear i could find. It had a Holly 435 small 4 barrel carb. Split exhaust manifold with dauls that sounded kind of funny even with glass packs.
The draw backs were it was a point system and had a intermittent electrical problem that would eat a battery in less than half a hour and would kill a set of points. With fresh points i could get 54 to 55 mpg. It sucked off the line bad. I could red line it at 5000 and dump the clutch on ice and it would lurch forward and die but not spin a wheel. I never did find it's top end but about 140 was all i was willing to push it too. Just got way to lite for me at that speed.
I had the motor steel sleeved with one and half thousandth above the block and not punched all the way down so the sleeve did not slip. Had 250 thousandth milled off the cast iron head with a idler pully installed to take up slack on the timing belt. With all that work the motor put out just 300 horse naturally asperated.
Care to guess the make and model of the car? It was no speed setter off the line. A Chevy Vega. A car no one wanted and was dirt cheap. The only other car i ever drove that got super mileage was a 3 cylinder diesel Toyota Starlite. It was fast either but got in mid to high 40s. They were not sold in the US either.
So cars can get high mpg but they just are not as fun to drive.
My Vega burned more oil than gas.
@@eugenepiurkowski5439 yep once they overheated they were done. But steel sleeve the motor and it's go to go for a ton of miles.
The one thing that I appreciate that Stellantis did, was to honor my 'friends and family' purchase of my 2022 Challenger Redeye. I think that they should consider bringing back the Hellcat vehicles.
I can’t believe Chevy is finally spanking Ford and Dodge 😭 I hate Chevy. Only Chevy I like is Corvettes
Never watched a company sell everything they could possibly manufacture, then stop doing that.
GM doesn't have to buy emissions credits from Tesla to offset their HALO V8's- they make a ton of other efficient small powertrains, hybrids, AND EV's- that offset the carbon penalties; Dodge had nothing to offset that, and they spent BILLIONS in credits over the years. There's your answer. Oh and Dodge has been broke since 2009, so there's that.
As a Former GM only owner, Now 💯% Honda only for fuel mileage etc, I even know what most American's want Loud High output V8s anything Smaller than a V6 good luck Stallatis, O for anyone wondering, My opinion >Your Car don't care the Brand shouldn't have anything under A 2 Liter ICE engine....End of story, Hybrids different subject, Personally still like the Sound of my 5.7 GM 🇺🇸 Vortec with almost 300.000 miles.
"Emission offsets," is fucking dumb. As if the mining process for heavy metals needed for the batteries is clean and green.
Not only does Ford have the MachE, they have the electric Maverick pick up , there may also be a electric Bronco but I am not sure, all helping to offset the corporate MPG.... two cars I will never ever buy but I've got my 500 horsepower v8 because of them, no thanks to the Joe Biden EPA crushing the Auto industry.
Because the V8 push rod design is the best engine ever made, need say no more.
DOHC can spin over 15K rpm push rod is old tech like side valve.
@@stewart8127 RPM is nothing, torque is where it's at, high rpm overhead cam engines have a very short life, push rod is a more modern design than overhead cam, in a V configured engine, the overhead cam has proven the be a very poor design, look at Ford and all their problems with the V8, almost all automotive records in almost all categories are held by the V8 push rod engine, almost all records belong to the small block Chevy, even today Chevy powered cars win more races than all other brands combined, why do you think in NASCAR all the cars in all the divisions are powered by Chevy push rod engines, all Trans Am TA2 cars are powered by Chevy, why, and through my life as a mechanic, race car builder and driver, every single vehicle that I have seen with over 1 million miles on it has been a GM push rod design engine.
Hahaha Honda bikes run longer than Harley you probably don't know the difference between SOHC AND DOHC. And have never seen shim a bucket lifters . How is one cam hitting hitting 32 lifters going to wear faster than 2 cams hitting 16 lifters . Whatever be brainwashed dude
I had 1 million miles on Ford 1992 Taurus and Volvo 240.
@@stewart8127 You are the brain washed one, a Harly engine will outlast a Honda 5 to 1, you are confused, I was not even talking about motorcycles, and you don't have a clue what the hell you're talkin about, a push rod engine has no overhead cams, it has one cam, right where it's supposed to be, hundreds of time less moving parts, and that is why the Chevy small block owns almost all automotive records in almost all categories, the sbc has won more races than all other manufactures combined and today, still winning more races than all manufacturer's combined worldwide, I've been building race engines, race cars, and racing them for over 30 years, road course endurance cars, I just love it when someone tries to inject an opinion into something they know nothing about.
I take my Durango on hauls of over 400kms at a time. I only stop to piss
id say woodland hills has a hellcat on every corner driving up down streets vs rolls royces or benz or bmw's lol i got my 2 hellephants.
I live in Woodland HIlls and that's so true.
I was invited to the 2024 Ford Performance Preview in Charlotte, NC on January 17. Mr. Jim Farley , and all the Ford Performance Racing drivers were there. From NASCAR, NHRA, Baja racing, Rally racing, and Drifting with Vaughn Gittin Jr and all the team RTR drivers… even Bill Ford and Edsel Ford were In attendance!
Jim Farley took the stage! I was standing there…. when he said, “the FORD V-8 is not going anywhere.. EVEN, if everybody else drops it …we’re keeping it going.”
It was an honor to be there, and to meet everyone! FORD is serious about racing, and their V-8 will be around for a long time!
The auto manufacturers also need to bring back ALL the production from Mexico.
Listen to the customers and built what they want! How many times have you read the comment section and people want stick shift, wing vents etc in trucks
The democrat party CAUSED THIS NAFTA bill clintons present to us in his last month of his last term started the mexico moves.This party has put it in our back sides since there inception ,STOP VOTING FOR ANY one in there party!
@@ctfan1486 I miss wing-windows but I just run the air on all the time now. Any of you old enough to know when most vehicles didn’t have air conditioning. Now if you have stick they ask how do I put it in drive?
Last year ever of every part of Ford made in Detroit out of raw iron and coal . 1969. First year of EPA 1970
@@stewart8127 Thank for that info might explain Fe things
Not happening while UAW greed is jacking up USA wages.
I find it so funny how some Dodge die hards were saying how proud they were of Doge for not caving in and making EV's, well due to that they are no longer making V8's. Talk about not seeing the forest through the tree's
OCMotivator Friend Keep up the great work 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸😃😃💪💪💪👍👍👍👍
Great Job! This video was correct. You are exactly right, selling 4 Cylinders, 6 cylinders, turbos, EV's, and Hybrids allow other Auto Co's to keep producing V-8 vehicles. I currently work for an American Car Co a Corporate guy. Exactly what we are doing. I use to work for Chrysler/Dodge as a corporate guy. This was when it was owned only by Chrysler the American Car Co. in the early 1990's. I still love Dodge/Chrysler but as you correctly say it is mis managed. Stellantis is getting in too late with EV's as The EV market is going down. Actually 3/10 EV owners go back to ICE.
EV at best will be 10-12% in 10-20 years no matter mandates. Keep up the good work.
Ford and Chevy are counting on a Trump victory 🎉
He’s still in charge. You’ll find out soon enough.
Both of you are corn balls
So am I. 🙏
As a multiple hemi owner one of the issues i have is that the 5.7 vvt motor has been the same design since 2009. Same intake same heads same out out of 375 hp but the price tag has increased.
As much as I dislike Stallantis. This is not on them. Factually, they are moving in the right direction based on CAFE standards. Sergio and Fiat Chysler are to blame. Fiat Chysler continuously racked up enormous fines for not meeting domestic passenger car requirements. Back in 2016 they reiterated thier goal to spend $10 billion and developing more than 30 hybrid and electric cars by 2022. Politically speaking The Trump administration during that period sought to rollback the previous administration's mpg mandate. Which I believe slowed Fiat Chysler sense of urgency to diversify its product line...
Then why does Ford n Chevy have v8s?
None of the other channels talked about how much money this was projected
Had 3 Hellcats could see Dodge was going to bankrupt no new on horizon
I went BMW M5 Competition in 23. Vette too small. You hit nail on the head ‼️
Still ticked that GM killed the Camaro. Couldn’t even get my orders filled.
Europeans don’t understand the American love of V8 powerhouses.
America auto companies are for American men and Stellantis is for…
Well watch the Olympics opening act
Carlos Tavares is an arrogant man who doesn't understand the American market and is dead set on his ways. The French car makers, who never really managed to establish themselves in the US, will fail once again due to their aforementioned arronce. I know Tavares wasn't born in France but he adopted their "car philosophy" and their moronic sales strategy to the American market. The steps they're taking right now replacing their V8s for in-line sixes and electrification will spell disaster for the Chrysler group. It's amazing to see what they're doing, it's almost like they want these companies to disappear from the market!
I say people should sell their toys and buy gold then get ready because with our government threatening to vito the save act it's going to get ugly.
And silver!
funny thing, just a few years ago... dodge Said they would keep selling the Hemi and paying the fees.. Because its what the people wanted.. And now..... Poof... Gone..
Stellantis just hasn't learned yet that us Americans love V8s. We don't care how much fuel it uses, we don't care how unnecessary they are, we don't care if a turbo four banger can match the performance, we love big angry V8s in our cars, end of story.
I drive a older 07 Explorer Sporttrac with a 300hp V8. The equivalent mid size truck today has similar hp but from a 4 cylinder or v6, do I care? No, why? Because I have 8 pistons screaming the national anthem with bald eagles flying out the tail pipe every time I need to merge onto the turnpike.
Stellantis, make all the turbo 4 bangers and 6 bangers you want but if you want to succeed in America you need to get a american flag tattooed onto your ass cheeks and drop a 7.0L V8 hemi option on everything that isn't a scooter.
This is beautiful 😅
They have to comply with govt regulations, that is the problem. They CANT build V8s anymore. They are out of credits.
Im seeing tons of vehicles like trucks that use to have V8s but no longer do. We might like V8s but people are so obsessed with things like trucks or the idea of certain cars they will buy a smaller engine just to get into the club.
My boss has this massive Silverado thats a 4 cylinder turbo. Its his work truck. Needed a full cab for the family and the only option was the 4 banger. He tows and does all sorts with it.
Waiting to see it blow.
We need to agree that the hemi has had its issues over the years. Dropping valve seats and the top end issues of chewing up cams . Oiling issues and the replacement costs for these engines that weren't being addressed on an engineering level. The stelantis group decided to go in a different direction with the straight six with twin turbo chargers that does put out some impressive numbers for what it is . Of course, the aftermarket will continue to produce the hemi for replacement, and that is where these issues that plagued the hemi will get rectified.
Oh, for crying out loud. You are advocating building junk that doesn't sell. The best thing about EV's is that they identify idiots. Good luck, buddy.
Electric cars have their place . Just not in my world .
I knew a lady that lived in Chicago that never traveled more than 3 blocks from her home except to Florida once a year and she flew when she went . In a city like that . I imagine a golf cart 😂( electric car) would probably be sort of convenient. Just plug it up when you get home . Never have to go to a gas station .
Guys like me however . I want to hear what I’m driving . Towing , pull my boat to the water . Electric just doesn’t fit into our world
SMH... EV's don't identify idiots.
If you really want to be self sufficient, you put solar panels on your house and get an EV. You don't rely on government if everything falls down one day.
Now are some people that drive EV's idiots... sure just like some people that drive trucks.
If you really don't like EV's then get a OG Beetle that you can run on 100% alcohol without converting any engine components... yeah that idiot that started the 2nd World War knew the first thing he will lose is the fuel supply, so his order to Mr. Porsche was to build something aircooled that can run on any combination between 100% fuel to 100% alcohol
Cheers!
@@JorgeCanovas EV's. Tesla's are piling up on lots they have to rent for the sh*t they can't sell.
@@ramie-uz9xi 3 blocks...I'd just walk. Future my arse.
@@richardweyland116 yes to each his own I guess . I don’t think that lady ever owned a car .
But I certainly see your point
It was sold to a European company that’s required them to transition to environmentally friendly technology.
Unfortunately, the euro auto giant didn’t realize what they purchased was a brand specifically intended and designed for ICE power enthusiasts and their efforts would completely kill it.
It would be like Ford purchasing Ferrari and making them rebrand the name to FordAble.
being around the detroit area dodge ruled around here for so long. but over last few years with the thieft's and piss poor servise you would get i jumped out my scat pack a year ago and swapped over to camaro and havent regretted it. Add in what im see chevy is doing for 2025 bring the ZL1 back along with a Z/28 as the 6.2 V8 with a twinturbo on them im jumping onto the waiting list to order 1 of them and trade out my 2023
MOPAR or NO CAR.
@@richardweyland116 well it looks like I’m going with NO CAR because MOPAR DONT HAVE ANY CARS ANYMORE
I often wonder what the Base Charger / Challenger would perform like with a 350 hp turbo 4 cyl. Not slow.
I think the offset you're referring to with gm and Ford making enough EVs and 4 bangers, to create themselves a cushion to still make v8s is going to be short-lived because the EVs aren't selling. There's lots all over michigan here right now full of mach Es and f150s that have been taken off of dealer lots, or haven't even made it to a dealer yet, because they have so many recalls and can't be sold. So sure, maybe they played along enough to give themselves enough leeway to keep making v8s, but they're still going to end up shooting themselves in the foot because they're just pissing away money on making cars to appease the government that aren't selling. I still don't think that means once stellantis tries to electrify that they are going to be above water again, because there has to be a reason why there's all these "cost cutting measures" and no more paying for carbon credits. And I think it's because stellantis is in big big trouble. And it seems their American brands are the ones that are on the back burner, even though we love CDJR. It is absolutely mismanagement at its finest. It's disgusting and sad.
Forget the new C8 I’m saving up for the new 7th gen Camaro ZL1 😊
dodge set the bar back in 2015 with a 700hp hellcat....kept the same interior for yeeears....they could've at least added the big screen like the ram trucks have....and possibly an all wheel drive system would've been big....
In my opinion I feel that the c.a.f.e standard is defunked and it needs to go away so manufacturers can make truly unique cars that people want to buy...
Those Demon 170s going to look like Civics when GM release their ZR1 and Zora.
Already
I sold my hellcat a few years ago for a Z06 2019 best car I ever had no handling spinning ain't winning Chevy Gang all day ☠️💀☠️💯 new ZR1 is eating everything for breakfast
Because we don’t wear tight ass pants 👖
Smoke crack dodge 😂
I think there’s some of that already going on 😂
Could yall imagine a mid engine viper if we lived in a perfect world
Donald Trump needs to purchase CJDR and make it an American company again
not gonna happen
Hummmm.... everything he bought bankrupted. Of course you were jesting?
@eugenepiurkowski5439 I know, but some chance is better then no chance. Stellantis is already killing it, might as well see whatll happen.
BUTTTTT
Unfortunately FORD is the only one making real everyday v8’s
(That people can afford)
Hey Brad can I get that ZR1 I was giving my super Bee to my wife and if you see the car traps at 150 mph 41 more horsepower then demon and it traps at 150 they're saying it's going to do 9 I think it'll do 8 and I still have my Shelby on order GT 650
What does this run-on sentence with no punctuation mean? Makes no sense at all.
Nobody wants electric trucks or electric muscle cars
The engines can't be modified in the EV's like combustion engines can be. I concur.
I concur -- this has deeper roots than just the EV efficiency. The in-line 6 that they're basing everything upon is another clue to what you're saying -- they have to get their CAFE numbers up and from what I can see they're throwing a lot of baby out with this bathwater on the way. Back to that efficiency thing. Ford started on this track back in the early 90's at least with the focus on the overhead cam designs of their V8s. It definitely made things hard (I had a 2V 97 Mustang GT -- there was nothing at the time other than forced induction to tune them, the tech was too new and Ford didn't seem to care about power -- they cared about the MPG numbers IMHO). They kept this up through the Ecoboost 2.3 liter engines, deep-sixing their V6 -- anything to keep the average fuel economy numbers as good as they could. Another clue to this game, you could buy a dealer installed supercharger setup for a Mustang GT that didn't even void the warranty. Why wouldn't they offer this as an option from the factory (other than the Predator motors in the GT500 -- again, very small production numbers for those)? Why? Because it the CAFE number for the average on that car would still be the numbers BEFORE the blower was installed. Is this a fair game? No -- but as you point out, it's the game as it sits today. It's like NASCAR or any other artificial rule set -- these are the rules and the people that learn to cheat around them a bit come out on top.
Another thing Ford did was make the F150 body out of Aluminum. Besides gaining towing capacity and so on -- it definitely had an impact on that CAFE number. Speaking of more cheating -- I have friends with the twin turbo 2.7 and they get great mileage out of them -- when they're not towing something or hammering on the accelerator. When they do that they get worse economy than a 5.0 NA motor... Again, those fuel economy numbers I'm certain are calculated with the best theoretical average from that v6 -- not when Mario is at the gas petal. This stuff all adds up. This is why Chevy has that crazy 2.7 Liter i-4 -- people are shocked that it gets worse fuel economy than the LS motor in a Silverado -- but I'll bet the EPA numbers are helping GM or they wouldn't be doing stuff like this.
All this motor nonsense is difficult -- but those are the breaks.
Great breakdown -- also, I love my Mustangs. That lame-ass station wagon that has the Pony logo on it turns my damn stomach -- I don't care how it performs 0-60 etc, it's not a pony car. Just saying I have to agree with your sentiments there as well.
How about all the carbon that is produced in the battery manufacturing process?? EVs are terribly inefficient and horrible for the environment. Wake up people
Bring back the SRT MAGNUM.
They are so hard to find that the closest one to me is 500 miles away.
I'm a car guy, 68 and 4 boys and LOTS of Classic Mustangs. Caddy's etc... Didn't know all this... or realize why Ford ect keep building Mach E POS... NO WONDER DUH!.... Thank YOU !!! Excellent explanation! Dodge is going to go out of Business
I said this about 3 years ago when debating with a Dodge fan that they won't be making any V8s due to them not keeping up with the CAFE laws. I said this just this past month on a Facebook post that they didn't play by CAFE laws and this is why this is happening. Dodge depended on these laws being reversed. They put all of their eggs in one basket.
All of my favorite performance car brands have died or are dying a slow and painful death, first Mitsubishi, then Subaru, now Dodge, truly heartbreaking.
Those arguing CAFE standards and emission standards need to go, were you around in the 60's, before these standards? I was, and I still have my first car, a '67 Olds Cutlass Convertible.
It averages around 13mpg on the highway, 8 in the city, and the exhaust smell will knock you out if you're anywhere near it. It was like this when brand new too. The quality of cars and trucks were terrible back then compared to today and 20 to 30mph collisions were deadly.
Imagine what it was and would be like when millions of these cars and trucks were driving around big city's, leaving a very visible layer of smog hanging in the air everywhere.
The government emission requirements enormously clean up the air you breathe, and CAFE standards reduce the cost of driving and further clean up the air.
Manufacturers are still able to build everything from powerful V8's to EVs as long as they put in the R&D to meet these standards.
Keep in mind too that both GM and Chrysler wouldn't even be here today if the government hadn't bailed them out multiple times over the years.