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Regarding closing the system by tying the dead end to the rope bag - I've seen the single overhand knot come undone more than once, generally when doing multiple climbs and moving the bag around. Because of this, I have always taught folks to tie it with a barrel knot the same way they would if there was no bag. This way they can reinforce the habit more easily (since it's always the same knot) and be more sure it's staying closed. Plus doesn't take but a second more. Anyway, another great video from you! Sending stoke from Wisconsin USA
I recently stumbled on a way to coil the rope that I really enjoy. Cody Bradford has a short viedo on his IG on how to do it. I only reference that because describing how to do it in the comments is hard. I like it because I can just drape it over my pack (which I usually have anyway), and if I need some more security I can use the compression straps from my bag to cinch it down. Rock Solid. You use the harness from a backpack instead of skinny ropes. Lets you carry a backpack as well.
If you haven't seen it before, look up the 'Magic Coil' method or similar. I think Mike Barter has a tutorial on his page, its a way faster way to do the single-strange version and became my preffered system for the last 10 years. Also, like others said, just start with a couple arms of slack out before starting the coil on the first strand and you can finish the coil just like the double strand method, plus flaking out is now as easy as a single strand
As mentioned by “Flat out” for the single strand method, I’ll either start with a couple of arm lengths of rope out or just uncoil a few loops when finished to do the traditional rucksack tie off. With ropes up to 60m I’ll also coil in one hand rather than going over the neck with two hands. You need a good grip but the coils are nearly always spot on and there’s no need to payout the rope at the next climb, just untie carefully and the coils will be good to go ;-)
To get round different rope bags having different coloured loops I usually re-thread a figure of eight to the bag with the bottom end of the rope, and daisy chain the last meter or so of the rope and drop it into the top of the bag. When my partner is complaining about untying such an awkward knot from the bag then I just tell them that's because it's the bottom! The daisy chained section isn't hard to find
Hi Jez, thanks for another great video. I know that people often look at a daisy chained rope like it's the plague, but are there any serious issues with it such as rope damage for example.
2:40 why do you keep all the coils in your hands when making a new coil? (instead of keeping all the coils on the shoulders and always have "free arms", less tiring) is it a method to make less tangles when uncoiling?
I was told the only method is to uncoil the rope coil after coil and always taking care of the "U" shapes one by one when doing that. It works, it's long, but it's still shorter than having a huge bunch of tangles and knots. What generates twists is when the rope passes through a device and changes direction. For example, if you are belaying with an ATC someone under you, make sure that the climber and the direction of pulling is well aligned. Lastly, when you are setting up a top rope pitch and planning to go down, don't pass the rope on two distant rappel points oriented 90° each other. This will force the rope to twist 90° and soon the whole rope will be hugely twisted.
looks like the rope is the Simond/Decathlon Cliff 9.5mm i just bought! Do you like it ? I only used it 3 times and at start I found it oddly static and not dynamic/elastic. but it seems to get better with time. Did you feel that too?
It's a donkeys years old video now tho still relevant, once you get your head around it this is quite a good alternative way to coil... ua-cam.com/video/WfvioMwTVUo/v-deo.html
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I always love learning new ways to tangle my rope! 😁
I've been known to loose flake a rope directly into an IKEA bag and not even coil it. I'm worried what you'll conclude about scruffy ****** like me :)
Hahaha!
Regarding closing the system by tying the dead end to the rope bag - I've seen the single overhand knot come undone more than once, generally when doing multiple climbs and moving the bag around. Because of this, I have always taught folks to tie it with a barrel knot the same way they would if there was no bag. This way they can reinforce the habit more easily (since it's always the same knot) and be more sure it's staying closed. Plus doesn't take but a second more.
Anyway, another great video from you! Sending stoke from Wisconsin USA
On the single strand method I start with pulling two arm lengths, then coil, and finish the same way as the double strand method.
As you said, not super important to have a neatly coiled rope, but you can tell a lot about a climber by the way they coil their ropes!
The thumbnail pic is perfect! 😄
Haha, cheers!
I recently stumbled on a way to coil the rope that I really enjoy. Cody Bradford has a short viedo on his IG on how to do it. I only reference that because describing how to do it in the comments is hard. I like it because I can just drape it over my pack (which I usually have anyway), and if I need some more security I can use the compression straps from my bag to cinch it down. Rock Solid. You use the harness from a backpack instead of skinny ropes. Lets you carry a backpack as well.
I'll take a look!
If you haven't seen it before, look up the 'Magic Coil' method or similar. I think Mike Barter has a tutorial on his page, its a way faster way to do the single-strange version and became my preffered system for the last 10 years. Also, like others said, just start with a couple arms of slack out before starting the coil on the first strand and you can finish the coil just like the double strand method, plus flaking out is now as easy as a single strand
Another good one! And congrats on all the subscribers!
Cheers!
Love your content mate. Have learned so much over the past couple years 👏🏼
So - THANK YOU
As mentioned by “Flat out” for the single strand method, I’ll either start with a couple of arm lengths of rope out or just uncoil a few loops when finished to do the traditional rucksack tie off.
With ropes up to 60m I’ll also coil in one hand rather than going over the neck with two hands. You need a good grip but the coils are nearly always spot on and there’s no need to payout the rope at the next climb, just untie carefully and the coils will be good to go ;-)
But doesn't that lead to kinks in the rope if you do a stacked single coil? I thought that was what he was referring to "bad things can happen".
To get round different rope bags having different coloured loops I usually re-thread a figure of eight to the bag with the bottom end of the rope, and daisy chain the last meter or so of the rope and drop it into the top of the bag. When my partner is complaining about untying such an awkward knot from the bag then I just tell them that's because it's the bottom! The daisy chained section isn't hard to find
Like that idea :)
Hi Jez, thanks for another great video. I know that people often look at a daisy chained rope like it's the plague, but are there any serious issues with it such as rope damage for example.
Not that I know of!
2:40 why do you keep all the coils in your hands when making a new coil? (instead of keeping all the coils on the shoulders and always have "free arms", less tiring) is it a method to make less tangles when uncoiling?
Habit probably!
Do you have any good tips to help manage twisting in ropes and avoid rats nests?
I was told the only method is to uncoil the rope coil after coil and always taking care of the "U" shapes one by one when doing that. It works, it's long, but it's still shorter than having a huge bunch of tangles and knots.
What generates twists is when the rope passes through a device and changes direction.
For example, if you are belaying with an ATC someone under you, make sure that the climber and the direction of pulling is well aligned.
Lastly, when you are setting up a top rope pitch and planning to go down, don't pass the rope on two distant rappel points oriented 90° each other. This will force the rope to twist 90° and soon the whole rope will be hugely twisted.
looks like the rope is the Simond/Decathlon Cliff 9.5mm i just bought! Do you like it ? I only used it 3 times and at start I found it oddly static and not dynamic/elastic. but it seems to get better with time. Did you feel that too?
It is and I did! It was quite a surprise how "static" it felt. It feels like any other rope now though, after a bit of use :)
It's a donkeys years old video now tho still relevant, once you get your head around it this is quite a good alternative way to coil...
ua-cam.com/video/WfvioMwTVUo/v-deo.html