Kinnikuman POA How Neptuneman broke Perfect Chojin laws.
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- Опубліковано 19 вер 2024
- I'm here to provide the necessary information that newcomers might've missed when watching Kinnikuman Perfect Origin Arc.This video will provide context to the following: What are Perfect Chojin? Who's Neptuneman? Why do the Perfect Chojin despise him?
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Here's the thing though,Neptuneman was already screwed even if he won in the Dream Tag. The moment he started following Neptune King,he turned his back on Strong the Budo due to having banished Neptune King. And even if they won,they(or at least Neptune King)would have been executed either way for using weapons as well as claiming false leadership. So yes,Neptune King indirectly screwed Neptuneman over by convincing him to follow him. Don't forget,even Psychoman confirmed he wasn't fit to be a Perfect Chojin due to becoming too proud,indicating he was a rule breaker since then.
During that period, the concept of Perfect Large Numbers didn't exist but if this were to be applied to current canon. I'm guessing Neptuneking would've eventually rebelled & fought against the other Perfects but he'd very likely lose. Although without Neptuneking's interference, Quarrelman wouldn't have become a Perfect Chojin or gained his mask. Even though Neptuneman wasn't properly indoctrinated into a Perfect that at least got him intrigued to pursue that path. I wish there was a scene that would elaborate a bit more on his defeat by the Perfect Large Numbers. Like did he know about them? Or was this the first time he's ever heard of them or learn that Neptuneking was a traitor?
@@THEAnimeHERO Well,2011 is a continuation so it applies perfectly. And yes,Neptuneman knew about the Large Numbers,since he tried escaping from The Man in Scramble,indicating he knows. Plus,Neptune King was banished,so no,he didn't rebel,cause Psychoman would have said so.
I vaguely recall that Neptune Man was sent by the Large Numbers to test Neptune King to see if he can overcome his ego problem and demonstrate that by being subservient to Neptune Man. If he passed they could invite him back to the Perfect Large Numbers, but he failed the test. I might be remembering wrong, but I vaguely remember this explanation occurring somewhere in the Perfect Origin arc.
@@LordProteus It was never stated in the story,though,it makes for a good headcanon.
Is funny how a lot of people thought that Kinnikuman was going to be a hot blooded action series and the first thing this series hits them with is politics and racism.
Man Kinnikuman is great
Yeah episode 1 is very dialogue heavy but so was Scramble For The Throne when that anime started. Although the differences between factions could be more of a culture thing.
Then a big action figure looking guy with tires for shoulders swan dives into a kendo stick and dies because he lost. Directly followed by the Large Numbers creating a giant machine gun that shoots them all to different countries through the earth.
@@steelblake that why I’m happy that kinnikuman isn’t shy on tackling real issue like many want it to be a punchy fight series when their more layer to the story
I'd personally say that Ultimate Tag arc does also Re-Examine his position as the "future" representative of the perfect chojins, considering in nisei continuity ib it was specified that they are nearly instinct and he seeks new members to join in, even when 2 random chojins ask to join his cause because they idolize him, he ends up killing because he sees geniuene purity in belief of the perfect way of life, rather than being path to chase ultimate power (something even shogun comments on in 2011)....
It's interesting that the cause of his lose against against 5 disasters in tourament was repeating his predecessor mistake and breaking a perfect chojin code that they established before the match which lead mammothman to betray him in same fashion as he did to neptuneking.
Nisei Neptuneman is incredibly brutal. Those two random chojin get freaking impaled into each other in possibly the most grotesque death in Kinnikuman. I'm very curious on Yudetamago's mindset when working on Nisei era. In comparison to the vintage & current Kinnikuman, Nisei is very pessimistic. The 5 Disasters were the most irredeemable characters who slaughtered their own race. Both Neptuneman & Ashuraman get really miserable defeats. Neptuneman managed to get sparred from Ashuraman's tragedy but I'm really hoping that the Nisei timeline comes into play with the current Time Chojin storyline. I desperately want a crossover instead of just treating Nisei as non canon.
I think it's more likely Neptune King was the one who copied Strong the Budo's name and outfit and not the other way around.
really was looking for this comment.
I didn't want to spoil the "real" reasons. With the new lore it makes more sense for Big to be copying Strong.
I think it is because of the context of the intend of the writer. The writer can always decide the meaning of who is appearing in what way and the meaning. The question would be why they would choose to do that to begin with aka. what kind of reaction do they want the viewer to have.
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i swear to god, every time i see this scene, there is always a new character in the background.
Yeah there's a lot of background only characters that are only named through chapter covers or Kinnikuman themed encyclopedias. Some of them are actually 1st appearance Devil Chojin while others appeared in the scene that revived Neptuneman.
Kinnikuman 2011, besides trying to tell a cool action and wrestling driven story, felt like it was trying to explain certain descrepencies between the OG series and Nissei.
The more we got to learn about them in the manga the more I understood, or at least suspected, that this entire story was ment to explain why the Perfect Choujin, for the most part, ceased to exist as a separate faction by the time Mantaro had grown up and followed in his fathers footsteps, and even re-contextualized the events of the final arc of Nissei, which now felt like as if it was ment to be the last burning ember of what once was the original Perfect Choujin codex.
I really hope the current manga ties in to that historical event that was mentioned at Nisei Tag CH24. Chaos being featured has been the biggest twist of the series thus far. I am impressed how Yudetmago have managed to tie things back to the original Kinnikuman such as the Chojin god that made Geronimo a chojin & the sudden reappearances of past characters from the Kinniku Throne and such.
You can say that Neptune King was trying to act like Strong the budo to deceive the other prefect Choujin. Or, the army he gathered weren’t actually prefect Choujin, but a bunch of Brutal renegades who thought they could become prefect
Either one sounds plausible.
Very good theory
After generally being turned off by Ultimate Muscle because of the ending of the Mantaro vs. Kevin fight, how the Demon Seed arc felt like mostly a retread of the Demon Choujin/Knight arcs of the original series, and the glacial pacing and really dumb forced conflicts in the Ultimate Tag Arc, I was honestly blown away by just how fucking good the 2011 revival was. Yude sat down and stitched together a coherent narrative out of all the shit before that they'd just made up as they went along.
Really hoping that the Netflix anime continues on.
Exactly, Nisei and Ultimate tag arc had their issues but reading this 2011 continuation felt so good. Every battle and New character is awesome.
I'm really hoping the next cour won't take too long to debut. I'm hoping early 2025. I'm also expecting the final episode to have some kind of message about a continuation and release date.
Considering who Strong the budo actually is in the newest arc of the 2011 manga i would not be surprised that Neptune king decided to copy the look to appeal to his followers.
It makes more sense with that context but I didn't want to spoil who Strong really was.
@@THEAnimeHERO Yeah and not wanting to spoil anything that happens in the newest arc but I was a bit surprised that the 5 evil gods aren't the only ones in the kinnikuman universe.
amazing video man, i even had forgotten about some moments like the perfects reviving Neptuneman after the dream tag, it makes the whole thing even worse bcs from the perfect's perspective Neptuneman wasn't even gratefull for that lmaaoo, without that Budo's loophole can be seem as a bit childish for newcomers but i'm glad that so far it hasn't stop people from keeping it up. the strong point of this season is 100% the writing, it's still has the classic Kinnikuman wackyness and absurdity, but it's the clever writing and the nuanced conflicts that makes everything else click
Thanks for the quote retweet on Twitter. Yudetamago are way more consistent during this period & embraced its absurd roots. During the Nisei era, they were trying to stray away from the fantastic elements a bit such as talking through tv monitors which was not possible. Meanwhile in 2011, everyone can hear & talk to each other via tv screens with no explanation as it should be. I'm also impressed with the numerous callbacks to the beginning of the series & how it becomes relevant in the current material.
Really enjoying the new series!!! Animation is top tier too lovin the aesthetic they chose for it! Also plan to get the japanese blu rays imported so we get more kinnikuman! #supportkinnikuman✊
Wow that's some dedication. The limited edition Blu-ray comes with colored Kinkeshi of the Justice Chojin. I'm also impressed with how it looks, especially the original stuff such as the character promos.
@@THEAnimeHERO yes. Basically just getting it for collectors purposes lol still hoping discotek gives us nisei japanese & the original 😩. Keep spamming their account every once in a while lol so they hear are fandom cries🤷♂️
@theanimehero I still think chaos from niesi it probably a different character then his original appearance like since both event of niesi are non canon they’re probably fixing everything in the lore to make some of the stuff they have to both fix or work in this new continuity
Well if the translation is correct, Chaos shows up saying he will fulfill his duty this time & there's a possibility he got revived from the ending of Nisei Tag due to the Complete Bulbs landing on his grave. So the door is still open that Nisei isn't non canon but instead might be a whole different timeline or continuity. Future Trunks storyline actually holds 3 separate timelines.
I have an insane theory though.... In The Ultimate Tag arc its mentioned that when looking for a partner for Mantaro that Meat shares a legend of a mysterious Chojin who, during the peace all the veteran Chojin were going through after the Throne Arc, held back and defeated an army of evil Chojin by himself, losing his life in the process. It's heavily implied that the chojin's identity was Chaos. However after Chaos died it was kinda set up that maybe Thunder was going to be that Chojin but the arc ended too abruptly to actually say. So my theory is that the evil Chojin that invaded were the Perfect Large Numbers. It's not perfect and doesn't explain... well everything afterwards like the Origin, Six Spears, or Choushin that attack afterwards, but there's something there at least.
Also if this theory turns out down the line to even be slightly true then that implies that Chaos was potentially strong enough to face all the Perfect Large Numbers at once which sounds badass as f**k.
@@THEAnimeHERO that would make alot sense too like if the entirety of Nisei and the time travel arc Are just alternate timeline like you said especially like how the character in niesi felt a lot different then their current self like you explain Neptune man in the nisei time travel arc he felt more evil then his previous self in the original series until with 2011 he feel more like his heroic self in this continuation plus my prediction is going probably do a new neisi where it fit the timeline more but also keep all the characters canon just with different events happening plus with chaos coming back from the alternate timeline is going probably change some thing
Huh didn’t expect that Naruto would make a Kinnikuman reference
Naruto has made a few over the years. CH150 has a Ramenman mask in the background along with Kamen Rider & Chiaotzu. When Kisame fights Team Guy he's underground using his sword Samehada like a shark's fin. This likely references Buffaloman's Devil Shark when he goes underneath the ring & uses his horn to attack Kinnikuman.
well damn i learn something new
Kinnikuman lore is pretty dense.
Just seen the latest episode and it was epic! Cannot wait to see the team up with pentagon later on! BTW looking up the anime online and it had got 7.7 out of 10 on imdb!
That's a higher score than MAL. It has a 6.59 by 435 users at the moment.
technically Neptuneman never broke the perfect choujin law. He didn't show his back to the enemy, he didn't use weapons and he commited suicide after facing defeat
By those laws, no. But once he participated to helping the Justice Chojin that's the law he broke. There's also some additional context with Neptuneman being hunted down by Omegaman under Chojin Enma's order.
It’s actually in the act of that last one where he betrayed his fellow Perfect Chojin by taking them with him. Add in the fact they sent an assassin after him for breaking said rules and returning to life , NeptuneMan has all but resigned from the faction and lose any ability to make choices for them
Chojin power doesn't really mean anything. I don't know why they still use it. Akuma Shogun only has a Chojin Power of 15,000,000 and he is one of the strongest characters in the series.
Wouldn't say that, bcs even though we don't have a text explanation to what chojin power is, we have A LOT of very consistent feats that show chojins with higher chojin kyodo overpowering the ones with less, or like no-selling their powerfull attacks, if Yudetamago wanted to translate that into text it would probably be something like: physical strenght, attack power, durability, and everything that has to do with physical might, basically chojins with higher kyodo can just juggernault others techniques and moves with raw power, but that doesn't seem to affect technique and speed, and also burning inner strenght directly buff the chojin's kyodo temporarily. Long story short, it's not the end all be all but it does matter to some extent in the revival
It has it uses but I admittedly don't pay much attention to it. I don't think characters bring up their own stats in the latest chapters. At least I don't remember.
Perfect Chojin also end their own lives after defeat, I don't know how the Nisei Anime can censored their deaths if Nisei have any Perfect Chojins
The only Perfects I remember in Nisei were the ones from the dMp which all got blown up due to a self destruct switch of their base in the manga. In the anime it was a bunch of bombs that Sunshine had scattered throughout their base.
This super hero series came back at the perfect time to diistract from the waste of time and life that my hero was.
I only experienced a little more than half of My Hero Academia so I'll guess I'll go back to it once the anime finishes everything.
So whats your opinion on the new kinnikuman anime even though at this point it's more of a continuation than a revival/ I read the manga so I know the outcome for all the fights but I'm still so excited for it!!!!!!!
One of the biggest praises I can give seems simple at first but it's the presentation via animation. It's impressive how the fights can finally move the characters the way they're supposed to. The 1983 anime had this bad habit of using slow-motion or using the minimal number of frames. Attacks didn't always have the greatest impact more so with the slow pace of the comedic side characters interrupting the pace. I'm glad that Perfect Origin Arc follows that format of the manga. The fights flow well with almost every attack feeling like an incredible animated feat. I'm also shocked how Production I.G. managed to be creative with the visuals, too. It's not 1:1 to the manga in a good way such as the original wrestling promos acting as character bios for their debut. It's a real passion project like JoJo was to David Production. I also did a livestream about 2 weeks ago. ua-cam.com/video/IqzB7_jPFBQ/v-deo.html
@THEAnimeHERO interesting information wonder how far the anime will go hope it goes the distance
I just finished reading the Nisei manga and am now confused about Goldman and Akuma Chojin.
Wasn't Goldman the one who created the Devil Chojin and became Akuma Shogun as implied in 2011 Kinnikuman? Or is Akuma Shogun something created by Satan?
Moreso confusing is that Akuma Shogun uses diamond manipulation in Nisei but it is implied Goldman learned that from The Man. Also Akuma Shogun apparently existed far in the past before Gold Mask arc took place.
Not sure if things can be even put together. But I have yet to read the final manga with the Ultimate Tag Tournament.
Maybe the Perfect Origin arc Netflix adaptation will explain it better. Wish we could get Nisei fully adapted but it seems not to be that popular.
Also the timeline with Neptuneman and Quarralman or whatever is kinda weird. I had the impression Neptuneman came to existence because of Neptune King and thus became a Perfect Chojin. But in 2011, it is implied that he was one prior and even a canditate for Perfect Large Numbers. I don't know what to believe now.
At this point, I assume that 2011 is an alternative continuation than a flat out sequel to the prior story so it can have more freedom to alter events without having to worry too much about Nisei. And the Time Chojins introduction serving as means for alternative timelines for a possible crossover. Maybe we can see them fight their children (which they apparently did in another sequel manga) with an alternative outcome.
Something weird about Nisei is, apparently it talks about how 10 million power isn't special, but I can't recall any character with a power above 10 million in Nisei. Maybe Voltman? Idk.
@M3rtyville Akuma Shogun and Goldman are the same(just like Anakin and Vader). And yes,he trained the Devil Knights. And Satan just used them to be his overbody. As for Neptuneman,he was probably introduced to the Large Numbers by Neptune King before being cast away. As for Nisei character with higher PL than 10 Million are Shimao and Kirinman.
Also,PL are bs.
There are contradictions with Akuma Shogun but also differences between original & Nisei. Akuma Shogun aka Goldman isn't Satan. Satan is his own character. What makes the contradiction is the original manga as it shows Satan tempting Goldman to have a body which starts the Golden Mask. At first glance there seems to be no way Goldman could've trained the Devil Chojin despite saying he did. But there is a way to make it work. According to the Devil Chojin, Akuma Shogun MUST'VE existed to train them until his decapitation duel against Silverman. So he should have his Goldman appearance during those days. In some of the 2011 flashbacks of the Perfect Origin Arc, Goldman is wearing the Akuma Shogun outfit but without the helmet. So things can work that way if we remove a bit from the Goldman & Silverman duel flashback. But how does Akuma Shogun revive himself in the 2011 series? I guess the same way Silverman did.
However, in Nisei continuity Akuma Shogun & Satan are the same character but not in Nisei Tag. The very end of Ashuraman's fight with Mantaro there's a lot of panels that prove that Shogun & Satan are the same person which doesn't mesh with either continuity from the original or the 2011. Nisei CH292 shows that version of Akuma Shogun attempted to steal the Golden Mask. He's even holding it. So that version of Shogun isn't Goldman. I guess in that continuity, after he was killed by Kinnikuman in Golden Mask arc he sought Meat to revive himself. At the end of 292, you see the Satan shadow form & Ashuraman calls him Shogun. In 293, you see Akuma Shogun's outline over the Satan shadow form so they're the same character in Nisei.
10:30 Noob Question: Why is one of them allowed to use a weapon while the other can not?
It's a good question. Strong The Budo has a kendo shinai but he doesn't use it in actual matches. His fighting episode hasn't debuted yet. Strong did hit chojin with it but this was before any official fight. He does keep carrying his shinai & dramatically points with it. Meanwhile other characters have built in weapons that are part of their body such as Max Radial's shoulder tires, Turbomen's Revolver Fin, & Dalmatiman's fangs. Heroic characters like Warsman also have retractable Bear Claws. The broken law here would be Neptuneking using the corner pole as a weapon at least in that context. I guess the real life wresting equivalent of foul play would be using a chair or a table instead of utilizing the powers that the character already possesses.
Spoilers here.
Wasnt he a drop out of the perfect choujins? Psychoman taught him magnet power and than he just left with other drop outs.
I say that in the video. I don't bring up the Magnet Power or Psychoman by name as I'm trying to keep spoilers to a minimum.
Hi i'm Budo but Pink probably what he would say if 4kids exist till today.
Big The Budo's name was simplified to Big Budo in the Galactic Wrestling game. So maybe Strong Budo or Budo would be his 4Kids name.