Is it a good choice ? Of course it is, its the MSI Mortar MAX of course. Still a great B450 board especially if you are using a 3200 or 3400G APU. Sling this in a decent case, add some RGB and a cheap PSU and you have a decent gaming rig. Having the BIOS flashback button is a big plus too....every mobo should have one. Thanks for the review, Mike and Kath :-)
Thank you, Mike & Kath! My opinion: Of course a B450 MOBO is still worth it in 2021 (even in 2022). The expensive of 5th gen Ryzen CPU (and the collosal prices of APU's) makes more atractive to buy a 3rd gen Ryzen (and not even to talk about GPU's with PCIe 4.0).
it is a great motherboard and in fact It's the micro atx version of tomahawk. I have B450 Tomahawk Max and I'm very satisfied with it's stability. Mortar Max is equally great. The B550 versions of mortar and tomahawk are also great boards. If you don't need pci-e 4.0 then go for the B450 versions, which now have low prices.
Oh man this is such a great video. Ive been endlessly debating which B450 board I want to buy and this one is absolutely on the short list. This motherboard is incredible.
Another interesting review Mike. Smart looking board and good spec it seems. I went with Asus Rog Strix B450F Gaming II following your review and still feel versatility of accessing 1st 2nd 3rd and 5th an important assett. With high pricing of cpus why wud u buy 500series mb limit your choices and increase cost! Thanks again Mike👍
Using this board for 1,5 year now and have no qualms with it. 3700x + 4x8GB Crucial Ballistix Elite 3600 MHz sticks for that 1:1 ratio between FCLK and MCLK and had no instability issues thus far. Runs great with a 3080Ti too :) From all the matx B450 boards available on the market at the time of purchase it had the best vrm(also recommended by Buildzoid), well worth the money, though in current year I'd probably opt for the B550M Mortar Max which is basically the same board but with the B550 chipsets pcie 4.0 capabilities.
@@battlecampplayer847 I'm currently using the latest bios available on MSI's support page, but the first time I put together the system it worked without any problems and recognized the cpu. The reason why MSI introduced these "max" versions of their am4 motherboards was EEPROM size on the older units couldn't fit AGESA code for the 3000 series processors, so for the legacy boards they had to cut a lot of features some people really liked - for example the graphical interface of the bios, oc profiles, or even support for older cpus. The max version has a bigger EEPROM and therefore comes with Ryzen 3000 support straight out the box.
@@theoragonsvlog552 yes, as mentioned before, that's the same cpu I am using, and it will work without any bios updates straight out the box(newer revisions come with latest bios version pre-installed anyway).
SOMEONE! SOMEONE IS OUT THERE FOR US ACTUAL BUDGET MINDED PEOPLE! THANKS MAN!! I was about to get this board but you talked about some points which I wasn't aware about
thanks, glad it helped. we are here to educate and advise, ultimately it is up you to make the decision, but we try and give you the info to help make that up for yourself
A bit OT, but I just ordered the Snowman M400 low profile. I decided for it against the vetroo low profile because it was 21$cad while the vetroo was 40$. I did not see any good review of it so, as they say, no news, good news! It will be use to replace the stock cooler on the 2400g I have in the living room. Now, I just have to wait!
Great video as always Mike! Super detailed and well shot. A fantastic little board for the money. I've seen these on Marketplace for around £45. An absolute bargain! Cheers!
Great vid! So i am just building a cheap gaming system for my son. I picked up a radeon 7870 hd gpu and a i5 4460 3.2ghz cpu. I know very little but i believe this mother board would be compatiple. Just wondering your thoughts on if it would all work together and if it would run decent? Thanks!
Brother what about Ryzen 5 5600g? Can I get full performance? Can I overclock with MSI b450 Mortar with hyper 212 cooler without any facing problem.? Is the motherboard vrm capable of control hard load? Love your work btw!!
went for this a few months ago at £50 with fractal mini g case, vetroo v5 cooler and 3600 pro v ram 32gb. 5600x wont go over 60c in bmark tests after a few days "settling in". 4100 mhz acheived on ram with just xamp change on bios. 512gb m2 3gb ps acheived in cpu slot. £550 spent= insane vfm. Used for an audio studio pc, with an old gt 640 card from 2012 doing its job fine. Nice to see it being recognised by you tubers. 5600x and vetroo v5 with this board is fantastic option, you should also be fine with a 5700g or any 65w amd4 . Not a lot of boards with usbc port at twice the price.
did u update your bios? i have same mobo b450 mortar max and update the bios im not yet upgrading my cpu yet im stuck with my ryzen 5 3400g with rtx 3060 im planning on buying ryzen 5 5600x or the ryzen 7 5800x and im not sure if ishould buy a new mobo or i could still use my b450m at the moment
mike mate is this board better than.. ASUS ROG Strix B450-F Gaming II ..as im swaying towards ASUS ROG..im looking at putting a Ryzen 5 5600x or Ryzen 7 3800X with Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO SL 16 GB (2x8 GB) DDR4 3600 ..what do you think cheers mate
@@mikesunboxing so mini ATX case ill need or it well fit in ATX .So should i Drop the Ryzen 5 5600x into a new b550 board or is the rog ok as it supports 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen processors and Memory clock speed of 4400 MHz ..is newer better could i stuff myself if i stay with this b450 rog..and mybe i should go newr b550 ..thanks mike for your input
Great little board. I have had mine for around two years paired with a 1600af with stock cooler and have never had an issue. Just recently upgraded to a 5600 and added a Be quiet pure rock slim 2 cooler. It still works flawlessly.
These b450 motherboard are good value when you don't mind the few limitation like the lack of pcie gen4 that's is not present on apu or pre-zen2 cpu. I just get an Asus a320m-k for 53$cad to pair with an older x1500 and a wonderful gt710 for my gf that will be used for some kind of office work and video chat
@@mikesunboxing these small no frill board are really good for no frill computer. Rock stable, good performer and even can run my 3200 ram with with a zen 1 cpu when my biostar x370 cannot.. I know, it's biostar, but that prove at some point the quality of them for 65w max cpu.
I bought this recently for my first AMD build. Athlon 3000g, 2* 4gb 2666 hyper fury ram, gigabyte p550b, adata240gb ssd, and found an old 900p monitor. This motherboard is solid but I hate the fact you need mystic light to turn off the led on the motherboard. Solid videos tho bro.
Thank you Mike , I was looking forward for this video. But I have a question mike, on MSI website it says that it "Supports DDR4 Memory, up to 4133(OC) MHz" however on their packaging it says something else why ? Is this an older version of the board or something?
the memory support changes as testing goes on and also the OC mode is based on best case scenario with a 2 stick setup and the best cpu. chances of getting these speeds is unlikely to be honest
Very interesting review. I'm trying to find the best combination (money/performance) between b450m mortar max or b550m mortar and 3700x or 5600x. No gaming at all, some full hd video editing and photo elaboration. Should last at least 7/8 years like my present i5 4670k setup. Any suggestion?
depends on the software really, adobe likes fast cores for photoshop so the 5000 series would be better, but the extra cores on the 3700x would be useful. what is the price different between the two?
@@mikesunboxing for video i'm using vegas. As to price this is the point; 3700x and 5600x have about the same price here in Italy (305/310€). Whilst the b450m costs abt half of the b550m
@@mikesunboxing Tough choice indeed, consider that since i started studying the new computer price of the CPU increased of 10/15% so i'm wondering if should be the case to wait. I'm changing the system so also ram will be in the deal but presume that for my needs 3200 or 3600 will not bean issue
I confirm that the alc892 audio chipset is really bad, i have the same on my x470 gaming plus and the mic quality audio of my 120 mic is horrible if i put the volume high, when i had a headset mic everyone was complaining about static on my mic
Got the B550 version of this board for my gaming rig (Windows 10) and wanted the older B450 Mortar for my daily driver (Linux Mint) and for gaming in Linux. OK I could have just had a duel boot B550 rig for everything, but then I wouldn't have had the excuse to build a second PC lol.
hello ive had this mother board a long time and its served me greatly but i recently upgraded to a 5600x should i consider upgrading the board or will i not benfit? im looking to trying to dabble in overclocking and am thinking this board would hold me back?
it will a little, but i would try at and see where your limits are. to be honest unless you are extreme overclocking then most likely this board will be fine
I understand English very badly. But in Russia this is motherboard number 1. The price is tempting. I'm going to put r7 5700x here. I currently have a r7 2700x. The main disadvantage of this motherboard is the sound. I had an Asus 1156 motherboard before, the cheapest motherboard, but what a great sound there was, but when I bought the motar max b450, I was surprised by such a terrible sound quality ... but I will give you advice if you are a gamer , then you can connect a PS4 or PS5 gamepad to this motherboard, and set the properties to a pretty good sound ... but asus is better, asus is a high-quality sound card, even if this mother is the most budgetary. The author is correct in what he said. Excellent review. Thank you!
I'm a little bit confused here... You said it supports 128GB of Ram yet when I looked at their compatibility it says it supports up to 32GB at 3200Mhz. I even emailed MSI to confirm this and I was told the same. So which is it?
Hey Mike. Would this board be alright for a low or mid range gaming? I was think of putting in the ryzen 3 3200G and either throwing in 4 x 8 gb sticks for the memory. Building a pc for a friend.
For £50? hell yeah it's a good choice in 2021. Want to build a midrange system that can run a Ryzen 5 or 7 to its limits but don't need PCIe 4.0? The B450M Mortar is all you need. There's no point in wasting money on motherboard features you don't need - if you're using a GPU like an RTX 3060 (which isn't that fast and has a ton of VRAM so won't be bottlenecked by PCIe bandwidth) or a GTX 1660 Super (which doesn't support PCIe 4.0 anyway) and a PCIe 3.0 NVMe SSD (good models of which are just as fast as PCIe 4.0 SSDs in terms in terms of loading times, even if sequential bandwidth is much lower) the B450 Mortar is fine.
I have the b450 MSI mortar Titanium I guess it's the same thing looks like it just different colour . I have a 2200g and 1660 super in it at the moment but was hoping to put a 3700x in it . I am video editing
if i combine this mobo with a 5600g and crucial ballistix cl16 16gb 3600mhz will i be able to have the ram speeds at 3600 with a XMP profile? Cause at the mobo specs i see 3466OC and 3733OC MHz.
I bought this mobo for my 2700x build in march of last year, i picked it specifically as i was intending to upgrade to a 5900x, will this board handle it?
@@mikesunboxing Exactly what i thought, my case has pretty good airflow but i'd be really nervous about spending all that money for the cpu and then discovering later down the line that i should of got a better mobo too, not worth the headache it would cause either. The 2700x is good enough for me for now though, will use it for another year or two and build a new pc i think. Thanks for the response Edit: Can't lie i'm a bit annoyed, paid nearly £100 for this mobo a year ago, shocked to find it new for £50 recently
CPU support list for this Motherboard is constantly being updated with each new bios AGESA code release. The 5800x3d is indeed supported, however I'd make sure to run it with a good cooler or aio, and if your power supply has enough headroom for a 105W tdp CPU. You start putting all these parts into a case, especially with a beefy GPU and it might start throttling.
If it was updated to suppprt 5th gen, would it drop support for zen+? Gave it a bit of thought since b550s dropped support for zen+ , didnt find much online. Although apparently my friend owns a vdh max updated to support 5th gen and he uses a 2600 though better to be safe than sorry.
How much goodly it can can handle Ryzen 7 5700G... As much i know 5700g doesn't support gen 4 .. so is it enough for 5700g or i should go for tomahawk max ??
My experience with MSI was really really bad, two motherboard all b450m and in the time of 2-3 month It stop working with Ez debug led CPU and the problem was a broken motherboard that nedeed a replacement
Will do great the VRM is more than enough. I have an old "msi b450m pro-vdh" which is a step down from this. In it I have run a 2060x, 3700x and 5800x. The last one got a bit warm on the VRM under full load (80C), but performance wise with PBO/Curve-Optimiser OCing it to 5GHz, matched my Asus B550-F that it now sits in.
Assuming that wasn't a typo, and that you didn't mean B450M Pro-VDH, the B550M Pro VDH is more of a sidegrade to the B450 Mortar - the VRM is almost identical (it uses slightly different MOSFETs but their quality is similar), and its heatsink is smaller but it supports PCIe 4.0. If you meant the B450M Pro-VDH, yeah, that's a step down from the Mortar. I've got the B450M Pro VDH Plus - decent board, though I only use it with a Ryzen 3 so I've not been pushing it hard, and I find the PCIe slot layout limiting as I can't fit a triple-slot GPU in addition to my WiFi card.
@@nathangamble125 sorry yes it was a typo and it was a b450 (the V1 in fact). I also went with an atx board next so I can get to other slots. The MSI B550 boards have a USB 3.2 header for the front but my Asus does no so I got an add in card. For Wifi if I need it I just plug one in a USB slot.
This MB will be a great choice UNLESS YOU NEED TO CLEAR CMOS. Once you clear CMOS you'll start to have problems with its ethernet modem. Even though it is enabled the operating system will cease to recognise it. There is a workaround: enter BIOS, disable ethernet, then F10 (save and restart), enter again BIOS, re-enable ethernet, F10 again and now you can let OS boot. BUT IT IS NOT PERMANENT, you'll have to do the same process everytime you start your PC. No, reinstalling BIOS nor updating it don't fix the problem. I've searched everywhere and can't find a permanent solution (well, buying a new one fixes it :p). If anyone knows how to fix this, it will help many, MANY users with the same problem.
I just purchased the this mobo, will it be able to output 1920x1080p at 144hz? The specifications say max @60hz. I have a ryzen 3 3200g and a 144hz monitor
The ports are HDMI 1.4 and Displayport 1.2 so it should support 1080p 144Hz. I'm not sure why MSI lists 60Hz as the maximum frequency - in theory there's nothing preventing it running faster. Perhaps MSI just didn't care to validate it, because they assume people using the iGPU wouldn't be using high-refresh-rate monitors? If your monitor supports 1080p 144Hz it should work, but it won't run at this speed in most games. Stuff like video playback and older games like CS:GO on low settings would be fine though.
@@mikesunboxing I just ordered a 3700x for this motherboard. The cooling for vrm you mentioned is that on top of the motherboard or the things under the heatsink? Also what cooler would you recommend for this combo? Also did I make a mistake buying this over the 5600x which was only $5 more?
@@boomshaka918 This is maybe easier to advise if we can ask more questions and get direct answers, so feel free to join our Discord chat and we can go over it in more detail discord.gg/gaeeDPw
I have a build of Msi B450m mortar max and ryzen 5 5600g. I dont have a gpu. And, i want to use dual monitor with my apu. My on board HDMI is working properly and i used an display port to Hdmi convater for the 2nd monitor but its not working. I have checked Convater is working properly but not getting any output from my displayport. Can anyone help.
@@RideWithRafsan This is maybe easier to advise if we can ask more questions and get direct answers, so feel free to join our Discord chat and we can go over it in more detail discord.gg/gaeeDPw
Hmm. I am abt to buy a second hand pc with r9 3900x on that motherboard. For 300$. Is without a GPU so was thinking if it is good enough deal. Looks like that to me tho.@@mikesunboxing
I was going for Tomahawk but it doesn't have Display Port And i need display port bcz i will be using 5600G and i need 144+ fps output So i am going for Mortar instead
@@AymenYT the B450-a pro has the better vrm you can see more here docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d9_E3h8bLp-TXr-0zTJFqqVxdCR9daIVNyMatydkpFA/htmlview#gid=639584818
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Is it a good choice ? Of course it is, its the MSI Mortar MAX of course. Still a great B450 board especially if you are using a 3200 or 3400G APU. Sling this in a decent case, add some RGB and a cheap PSU and you have a decent gaming rig. Having the BIOS flashback button is a big plus too....every mobo should have one. Thanks for the review, Mike and Kath :-)
Cheers bob and totally agree, this is a great foundation for any am4 build
@@idk-zz1kp 0.05 is that even detectable in real world situations? Not saying it is or isn’t just enquiring
How about 5600g, it doesn't support Pcie gen4 anyway
So going for B450 makes more sense than B550
Thank you, Mike & Kath!
My opinion: Of course a B450 MOBO is still worth it in 2021 (even in 2022). The expensive of 5th gen Ryzen CPU (and the collosal prices of APU's) makes more atractive to buy a 3rd gen Ryzen (and not even to talk about GPU's with PCIe 4.0).
totally agree ricardo
it is a great motherboard and in fact It's the micro atx version of tomahawk. I have B450 Tomahawk Max and I'm very satisfied with it's stability. Mortar Max is equally great. The B550 versions of mortar and tomahawk are also great boards. If you don't need pci-e 4.0 then go for the B450 versions, which now have low prices.
agreed
B450 tomahawk is only 60 pound on Amazon
what if i need you?
It is two thumbs up for me. Still recommending it to others when building new pc.
awesome 😋
Oh man this is such a great video. Ive been endlessly debating which B450 board I want to buy and this one is absolutely on the short list. This motherboard is incredible.
Glad we could help!
Another interesting review Mike. Smart looking board and good spec it seems. I went with Asus Rog Strix B450F Gaming II following your review and still feel versatility of accessing 1st 2nd 3rd and 5th an important assett. With high pricing of cpus why wud u buy 500series mb limit your choices and increase cost! Thanks again Mike👍
yeah for me personally i would rather go with the asus and the larger form factor, but the price on this is appealing
Using this board for 1,5 year now and have no qualms with it. 3700x + 4x8GB Crucial Ballistix Elite 3600 MHz sticks for that 1:1 ratio between FCLK and MCLK and had no instability issues thus far. Runs great with a 3080Ti too :) From all the matx B450 boards available on the market at the time of purchase it had the best vrm(also recommended by Buildzoid), well worth the money, though in current year I'd probably opt for the B550M Mortar Max which is basically the same board but with the B550 chipsets pcie 4.0 capabilities.
totally agree
What's your version of BIOS? Did you update it before to use your Ryzen?
@@battlecampplayer847 I'm currently using the latest bios available on MSI's support page, but the first time I put together the system it worked without any problems and recognized the cpu. The reason why MSI introduced these "max" versions of their am4 motherboards was EEPROM size on the older units couldn't fit AGESA code for the 3000 series processors, so for the legacy boards they had to cut a lot of features some people really liked - for example the graphical interface of the bios, oc profiles, or even support for older cpus. The max version has a bigger EEPROM and therefore comes with Ryzen 3000 support straight out the box.
@@locolama can I use Ryzen 7 3700x in this mobo?
@@theoragonsvlog552 yes, as mentioned before, that's the same cpu I am using, and it will work without any bios updates straight out the box(newer revisions come with latest bios version pre-installed anyway).
Great video mike
I was wondering if I can pair it with 5600g
Will it be a good combo?
Yes, absolutely
This is a cracking board for that price. Had it for a year and decided to upgrade to a younger brother/sister - b550m mortar. Great video!
Thanks for sharing
SOMEONE! SOMEONE IS OUT THERE FOR US ACTUAL BUDGET MINDED PEOPLE!
THANKS MAN!! I was about to get this board but you talked about some points which I wasn't aware about
thanks, glad it helped. we are here to educate and advise, ultimately it is up you to make the decision, but we try and give you the info to help make that up for yourself
@@mikesunboxing Duudee it helped a lot😃😃😃
Picked this up from Scan for £60 on offer. I'm happy I upgraded from my a320 motherboard so I can use newer CPUs with the bios flash button
Nice!
Still using this board since 2019 and it works perfectly, along with an R9 5950x + RTX 3080ti
awesome glad to hear that
This is a perfect budget board.
My build
Proc: Ryzen 5 3500x - $130
Mobo: Msi b450 mortar max - $90
Ram: 8gb x2 3200mhz nighthawk - $80
Gpu: Palit Gtx 1070 JS - $200 (2nd hand)
Ssd: 512gb Adata sx8200 pro - $100
Psu: seasonic sii s2 480watts - $60
Case: Tecware Fusion - $50
Cpu cooler: DC Gamaxx 400 ex - $30
Games: PUBG, Dota2, DBZ fighterz, Jumpforce, tekken6
That's a very decent price for a used 1070 however I would change out that psu
A bit OT, but I just ordered the Snowman M400 low profile. I decided for it against the vetroo low profile because it was 21$cad while the vetroo was 40$. I did not see any good review of it so, as they say, no news, good news! It will be use to replace the stock cooler on the 2400g I have in the living room. Now, I just have to wait!
yeah let us know how it goes, looks interesting
How did it work? I was looking at that snowman 400 for a build of mine.
Great video as always Mike! Super detailed and well shot. A fantastic little board for the money. I've seen these on Marketplace for around £45. An absolute bargain! Cheers!
thanks David appreciate it, nice little board and definitely some bargains to be had
Used this board with a 5600x I’m impressed with this little thing!
glad you like it
How is the stability till now? I have a 3400g with this board. Planning to upgrade to 5600
Great vid! So i am just building a cheap gaming system for my son. I picked up a radeon 7870 hd gpu and a i5 4460 3.2ghz cpu. I know very little but i believe this mother board would be compatiple. Just wondering your thoughts on if it would all work together and if it would run decent? Thanks!
wrong processor family sorry this is for AMD processors not intel ones
Does this mobo support windows 11 straight out of the box? It's between this and the X470 msi plus gaming max. Great videos by the way.
most if not all motherboards on the market will need the bios adjusted to support all the windows 11 features
Came as a massive bombshell to me that this MB was under £50. Great video, thanks Mike.
lol more of a mortar than a bombshell
Brother what about Ryzen 5 5600g?
Can I get full performance?
Can I overclock with MSI b450 Mortar with hyper 212 cooler without any facing problem.?
Is the motherboard vrm capable of control hard load?
Love your work btw!!
yes that should be fine but these don't overclock much
went for this a few months ago at £50 with fractal mini g case, vetroo v5 cooler and 3600 pro v ram 32gb. 5600x wont go over 60c in bmark tests after a few days "settling in". 4100 mhz acheived on ram with just xamp change on bios. 512gb m2 3gb ps acheived in cpu slot. £550 spent= insane vfm. Used for an audio studio pc, with an old gt 640 card from 2012 doing its job fine. Nice to see it being recognised by you tubers. 5600x and vetroo v5 with this board is fantastic option, you should also be fine with a 5700g or any 65w amd4 . Not a lot of boards with usbc port at twice the price.
thanks for the info on your setup, sounds great
did u update your bios? i have same mobo b450 mortar max and update the bios im not yet upgrading my cpu yet im stuck with my ryzen 5 3400g with rtx 3060 im planning on buying ryzen 5 5600x or the ryzen 7 5800x and im not sure if ishould buy a new mobo or i could still use my b450m at the moment
@@JaJaHermano yeah updated bios. you can do it without chip being installed so all pretty easy to do. yeah. id say you can use same mobo
mike mate is this board better than.. ASUS ROG Strix B450-F Gaming II ..as im swaying towards ASUS ROG..im looking at putting a Ryzen 5 5600x or Ryzen 7 3800X with Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO SL 16 GB (2x8 GB) DDR4 3600 ..what do you think cheers mate
the ROG board is newer and much better but also MATX rather than ATX
@@mikesunboxing so mini ATX case ill need or it well fit in ATX .So should i Drop the Ryzen 5 5600x into a new b550 board or is the rog ok as it supports 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen processors and Memory clock speed of 4400 MHz ..is newer better could i stuff myself if i stay with this b450 rog..and mybe i should go newr b550 ..thanks mike for your input
Great little board. I have had mine for around two years paired with a 1600af with stock cooler and have never had an issue. Just recently upgraded to a 5600 and added a Be quiet pure rock slim 2 cooler. It still works flawlessly.
that is great! still life left in the B450 platform
What bios version did you use?
These b450 motherboard are good value when you don't mind the few limitation like the lack of pcie gen4 that's is not present on apu or pre-zen2 cpu. I just get an Asus a320m-k for 53$cad to pair with an older x1500 and a wonderful gt710 for my gf that will be used for some kind of office work and video chat
as long as it gets the job done and doesn't cost a fortune we are happy
@@mikesunboxing these small no frill board are really good for no frill computer. Rock stable, good performer and even can run my 3200 ram with with a zen 1 cpu when my biostar x370 cannot.. I know, it's biostar, but that prove at some point the quality of them for 65w max cpu.
I bought this recently for my first AMD build. Athlon 3000g, 2* 4gb 2666 hyper fury ram, gigabyte p550b, adata240gb ssd, and found an old 900p monitor. This motherboard is solid but I hate the fact you need mystic light to turn off the led on the motherboard. Solid videos tho bro.
nice build
@@mikesunboxing yea cheapest build with decent new hardware I could put together. Thanks for the reviews!
@@boomshaka918 No problem :-)
Thank you Mike , I was looking forward for this video.
But I have a question mike, on MSI website it says that it "Supports DDR4 Memory, up to 4133(OC) MHz" however on their packaging it says something else why ? Is this an older version of the board or something?
the memory support changes as testing goes on and also the OC mode is based on best case scenario with a 2 stick setup and the best cpu. chances of getting these speeds is unlikely to be honest
Very interesting review. I'm trying to find the best combination (money/performance) between b450m mortar max or b550m mortar and 3700x or 5600x. No gaming at all, some full hd video editing and photo elaboration. Should last at least 7/8 years like my present i5 4670k setup. Any suggestion?
depends on the software really, adobe likes fast cores for photoshop so the 5000 series would be better, but the extra cores on the 3700x would be useful. what is the price different between the two?
@@mikesunboxing for video i'm using vegas. As to price this is the point; 3700x and 5600x have about the same price here in Italy (305/310€). Whilst the b450m costs abt half of the b550m
@@alessandrobrichetto222 yeah tough one. If you memory is more than 3200mhz speed go with the newer setup
@@mikesunboxing Tough choice indeed, consider that since i started studying the new computer price of the CPU increased of 10/15% so i'm wondering if should be the case to wait. I'm changing the system so also ram will be in the deal but presume that for my needs 3200 or 3600 will not bean issue
I confirm that the alc892 audio chipset is really bad, i have the same on my x470 gaming plus and the mic quality audio of my 120 mic is horrible if i put the volume high, when i had a headset mic everyone was complaining about static on my mic
yeah mileage will vary , but it isn't high end for sure
Got the B550 version of this board for my gaming rig (Windows 10) and wanted the older B450 Mortar for my daily driver (Linux Mint) and for gaming in Linux. OK I could have just had a duel boot B550 rig for everything, but then I wouldn't have had the excuse to build a second PC lol.
any excuse to build another pc is valid
awesome video!
Glad you enjoyed it
I'm new in the PC building, my simple question is can it support gen3 m.2 SSD? planing to buy this board. thanks, mate
it will support up to PCIE gen 3 x4
Hello bro, does this support the AIO 240mm fan??
yes it will, not not ARGB ones
hello
ive had this mother board a long time and its served me greatly but i recently upgraded to a 5600x should i consider upgrading the board or will i not benfit?
im looking to trying to dabble in overclocking and am thinking this board would hold me back?
it will a little, but i would try at and see where your limits are. to be honest unless you are extreme overclocking then most likely this board will be fine
I understand English very badly. But in Russia this is motherboard number 1. The price is tempting. I'm going to put r7 5700x here. I currently have a r7 2700x. The main disadvantage of this motherboard is the sound. I had an Asus 1156 motherboard before, the cheapest motherboard, but what a great sound there was, but when I bought the motar max b450, I was surprised by such a terrible sound quality ... but I will give you advice if you are a gamer , then you can connect a PS4 or PS5 gamepad to this motherboard, and set the properties to a pretty good sound ... but asus is better, asus is a high-quality sound card, even if this mother is the most budgetary. The author is correct in what he said. Excellent review. Thank you!
thank you
I'm a little bit confused here... You said it supports 128GB of Ram yet when I looked at their compatibility it says it supports up to 32GB at 3200Mhz. I even emailed MSI to confirm this and I was told the same. So which is it?
32GB per slot
great video m8
Glad you enjoyed it
Hello, this might be a noob question, since I have no idea about these things. Will a NVMe PCIe 4.0 work on this mobo?
yes but at slightly reduced speeds
@@mikesunboxing thank you, so it will run at the same speed as the pcie 3.0?
Hey Mike. Would this board be alright for a low or mid range gaming? I was think of putting in the ryzen 3 3200G and either throwing in 4 x 8 gb sticks for the memory. Building a pc for a friend.
yes totally fine
@@mikesunboxing Thank you.
@@davidyoung6608 No problem :-)
For £50?
hell yeah it's a good choice in 2021. Want to build a midrange system that can run a Ryzen 5 or 7 to its limits but don't need PCIe 4.0? The B450M Mortar is all you need. There's no point in wasting money on motherboard features you don't need - if you're using a GPU like an RTX 3060 (which isn't that fast and has a ton of VRAM so won't be bottlenecked by PCIe bandwidth) or a GTX 1660 Super (which doesn't support PCIe 4.0 anyway) and a PCIe 3.0 NVMe SSD (good models of which are just as fast as PCIe 4.0 SSDs in terms in terms of loading times, even if sequential bandwidth is much lower) the B450 Mortar is fine.
yes it is a very decent choice for a lot of people especially now with the price reductions
I have the b450 MSI mortar Titanium I guess it's the same thing looks like it just different colour . I have a 2200g and 1660 super in it at the moment but was hoping to put a 3700x in it . I am video editing
It should do that easily
@@mikesunboxing . Cool I edit for my channel . I built my own pc case out of a 1950s truck grill shell . I did a heap of videos making it
@@NZMOPAR Will have to take a look :-)
@@mikesunboxing cool thanks
Does this board support 4x8? (32gb of ram) because I'm thinking of upgrading to that but I'm not sure if it can support that
yes it will
if i combine this mobo with a 5600g and crucial ballistix cl16 16gb 3600mhz will i be able to have the ram speeds at 3600 with a XMP profile? Cause at the mobo specs i see 3466OC and 3733OC MHz.
You might but not guaranteed 3200 will be easy but 3600 on b450 isn’t always straight forward
This board does get 3600mhz
I bought this mobo for my 2700x build in march of last year, i picked it specifically as i was intending to upgrade to a 5900x, will this board handle it?
it will need some decent airflow and might not overclock much but will boot and run
@@mikesunboxing Exactly what i thought, my case has pretty good airflow but i'd be really nervous about spending all that money for the cpu and then discovering later down the line that i should of got a better mobo too, not worth the headache it would cause either.
The 2700x is good enough for me for now though, will use it for another year or two and build a new pc i think.
Thanks for the response
Edit: Can't lie i'm a bit annoyed, paid nearly £100 for this mobo a year ago, shocked to find it new for £50 recently
$50 in my country,damn gud price for a mobo..im curious will it fare well with 5950x or 5800x3d
the vrm isn't really suited to that level of processor really
CPU support list for this Motherboard is constantly being updated with each new bios AGESA code release. The 5800x3d is indeed supported, however I'd make sure to run it with a good cooler or aio, and if your power supply has enough headroom for a 105W tdp CPU. You start putting all these parts into a case, especially with a beefy GPU and it might start throttling.
i just bought it for 3900xt. i hope its still can handle it. not gonna to OC it tough.
if you aren't rendering out large projects it will be fine
Would this be a good board for a R5 2600 + GTX 1660 TI?
yes perfect unless you like ARGB
@@mikesunboxing No I dont like colorful RGB. The only RGB on my build right now are my white fans. Everything else is black or white.
how to enable rainbow effect on this motherboard? i downloaded MSI dragon center and it does not have rainbow option on my motherboard.
B450 doesn’t have argb sadly
This one or b450 tomahawk max will be best for 5 5660g?
Either will be good
Do you still have to O.C to get the 3200mhz RAM support?
all XMP frequency settings are overclocks, the native DDR4 RAM speed is usually 2400mhz or thereabouts
If it was updated to suppprt 5th gen, would it drop support for zen+? Gave it a bit of thought since b550s dropped support for zen+ , didnt find much online. Although apparently my friend owns a vdh max updated to support 5th gen and he uses a 2600 though better to be safe than sorry.
seems to still work with 1700x so i don't see any issue
Just got this for 30 quid as a little side project. Time to replace my old ITX AMD A6 6400K HTPC system with something better.
you did well there! but did you see the amazon deal we posted yesterday? B450 aorus elite £33!
@@mikesunboxing I did see it. But for some reason.. ;) I try to stay away as far away from gigabyte products as possible.
How much goodly it can can handle Ryzen 7 5700G... As much i know 5700g doesn't support gen 4 .. so is it enough for 5700g or i should go for tomahawk max ??
either will be fine, i just ordered a tomahawk max 2 for the 5600G
Thanks ❤️
can you make a video of MSI B450 A-PRO MAX vs MSI B450 MORTARMAX?
i have the -a pro max here now but not a mortar sorry
MSI MAG B550M MORTAR, where is you review?
never owned one, they got really expensive here in the UK to the point i couldn't recommend them
My experience with MSI was really really bad, two motherboard all b450m and in the time of 2-3 month It stop working with Ez debug led CPU and the problem was a broken motherboard that nedeed a replacement
two motherboards to fail in the same setup is quite rare
This or the Asus B450m pro gaming? Or gigabyte b450m auros elite?
i might be tempted to go with the auros elite
does this support 2 nvme ssd or just 1 nvme and the other is sata? ty
top one is NVME or SATA bottom one is NVME m.2 Hope this helps
Great board for 50£. Thank you Mike!
thanks for watching
And the B550 version solid for long term?
the b550 version is a great board
Will do great the VRM is more than enough.
I have an old "msi b450m pro-vdh" which is a step down from this. In it I have run a 2060x, 3700x and 5800x. The last one got a bit warm on the VRM under full load (80C), but performance wise with PBO/Curve-Optimiser OCing it to 5GHz, matched my Asus B550-F that it now sits in.
awesome stuff
Assuming that wasn't a typo, and that you didn't mean B450M Pro-VDH, the B550M Pro VDH is more of a sidegrade to the B450 Mortar - the VRM is almost identical (it uses slightly different MOSFETs but their quality is similar), and its heatsink is smaller but it supports PCIe 4.0.
If you meant the B450M Pro-VDH, yeah, that's a step down from the Mortar. I've got the B450M Pro VDH Plus - decent board, though I only use it with a Ryzen 3 so I've not been pushing it hard, and I find the PCIe slot layout limiting as I can't fit a triple-slot GPU in addition to my WiFi card.
@@nathangamble125 sorry yes it was a typo and it was a b450 (the V1 in fact). I also went with an atx board next so I can get to other slots. The MSI B550 boards have a USB 3.2 header for the front but my Asus does no so I got an add in card. For Wifi if I need it I just plug one in a USB slot.
I have this board and I wouldn't recommend it as it lacks basic features like argb and pcie 4 Nvme support
yep i know exactly what you mean
I have the same board, I'm planning on putting it a ryzen 7 5800x,, will it work?
you might need to update the BIOS first
Hello,
I have a question. 3600mhz is not listed in the supported ram frequency.. if i use 3600mhz ram at what speed it will run ?
most B450 boards have problems with anything over 3200mhz except in some circumstances
This MB will be a great choice UNLESS YOU NEED TO CLEAR CMOS. Once you clear CMOS you'll start to have problems with its ethernet modem. Even though it is enabled the operating system will cease to recognise it. There is a workaround: enter BIOS, disable ethernet, then F10 (save and restart), enter again BIOS, re-enable ethernet, F10 again and now you can let OS boot. BUT IT IS NOT PERMANENT, you'll have to do the same process everytime you start your PC. No, reinstalling BIOS nor updating it don't fix the problem. I've searched everywhere and can't find a permanent solution (well, buying a new one fixes it :p). If anyone knows how to fix this, it will help many, MANY users with the same problem.
there is a similar issue with the intel i200 range of ethernet adaptors
@@mikesunboxing Then I'll try to find a fix for the intel adapter, maybe it also works with the one in this MB. Thanks! And great video.
I have cleared the cmos on my board a few times and never had any problems with it . interesting
@@NZMOPAR Is your board a B450 Mortar Max? Because it is a highly reported issue. Maybe you've been lucky. Or a different revision.
@@albertmas3752 no it's a b450 mortar Titanium I was thinking it's was the same board just with updated bio's
Thank you.
You're welcome!
What maximum buffer size can you set with apu ?with newest bios ?
2 i think is the limit although in practice the RAM allocation is dynamic in Windows so it will use what it can when it can
I just purchased the this mobo, will it be able to output 1920x1080p at 144hz? The specifications say max @60hz. I have a ryzen 3 3200g and a 144hz monitor
it will output higher frames but the actual monitor frequency is unlikely to go that high
@@mikesunboxing will it show 144hz in Windows display settings?
The ports are HDMI 1.4 and Displayport 1.2 so it should support 1080p 144Hz. I'm not sure why MSI lists 60Hz as the maximum frequency - in theory there's nothing preventing it running faster. Perhaps MSI just didn't care to validate it, because they assume people using the iGPU wouldn't be using high-refresh-rate monitors?
If your monitor supports 1080p 144Hz it should work, but it won't run at this speed in most games. Stuff like video playback and older games like CS:GO on low settings would be fine though.
I’m planning to use this mobo for 3700x hope it is compatible 🙏
yes just add a bit of cooling for the VRMs
@@mikesunboxing I just ordered a 3700x for this motherboard. The cooling for vrm you mentioned is that on top of the motherboard or the things under the heatsink? Also what cooler would you recommend for this combo? Also did I make a mistake buying this over the 5600x which was only $5 more?
@@boomshaka918 This is maybe easier to advise if we can ask more questions and get direct answers, so feel free to join our Discord chat and we can go over it in more detail discord.gg/gaeeDPw
I have a build of Msi B450m mortar max and ryzen 5 5600g.
I dont have a gpu. And, i want to use dual monitor with my apu. My on board HDMI is working properly and i used an display port to Hdmi convater for the 2nd monitor but its not working. I have checked Convater is working properly but not getting any output from my displayport.
Can anyone help.
there should be an option in the bios to enable multi monitor outputs i think
Can you please show me or give me directions
@@RideWithRafsan This is maybe easier to advise if we can ask more questions and get direct answers, so feel free to join our Discord chat and we can go over it in more detail discord.gg/gaeeDPw
@@mikesunboxing its saying channel verification level is too high
Can I pair this mobo with Ryzen 5 5600g and overclock the cpu and igpu?
i dont see why not
Can we use this for rtx 3060 and ryzen 5 3600 ?
yes you can
hello is this good with a ryzen 5600x and a rtx 3050?
ideally you want a B550 or better, but this with technically work, but at reduced functionality
@@zekeabad MSI B550M Pro VDH wifi or b550 mortar
This board good with ryzen 9 3900x?
it will work but the VRMs might be a bit overworked with all core loads
Hmm. I am abt to buy a second hand pc with r9 3900x on that motherboard. For 300$. Is without a GPU so was thinking if it is good enough deal. Looks like that to me tho.@@mikesunboxing
can I pair MSI B450m Mortax Max with Ryzen 5 5600G out of the box?
probably not, look for a sticker on the box saying ryzen 5000 series ready
@@mikesunboxing Can I just update bios to get Ryzen 5 5600G ready?
@@iantabz ua-cam.com/video/XQ_HYufEmo4/v-deo.html Here's the video of how to do it
Can you use this with the i5 9400f I bought it a while ago and have not used it
no sorry that is an intel processor and this is an AMD board
Can both m.2 slot be used for Booting OS?
yes
Is this still worth it in 2024 ?
well it depends on what you are pairing with it, mst likely for a modern build it isn't worth it as technology has moved on a lot
is it necessary to buy m.2 heatsink for this motherboard?
no you can use the bare drive with no ill effects
@@mikesunboxing thanks mike
does it support
Ryzen 5 5600X?
yes it does
Is this Motherboard have 3pin ARGB Header?
no sorry only 4 pin 12v RGB
is this compatible with i3-12100f and an rtx 2060?
the rtx yes the intel processor no
@@mikesunboxing why’s the motherboard not compatible?
@@scif6139 It's an AMD motherboard, not Intel
this or the mortar?
depends if you want the newer features and bios flashback
Is this compatible with the ryzen 5000 series?
yes it is
I was going for Tomahawk but it doesn't have Display Port
And i need display port bcz i will be using 5600G and i need 144+ fps output
So i am going for Mortar instead
what are you playing to get 144 fps out of an apu?
@@mikesunboxing valorant at 1080p gives about 150
And lowering the resolution will get about 170-200fps
@@mikesunboxing u HDMI 2.0 will be able to provide 144hz ? Or do i need a DP for that
yeni aldım ..ryzen 5 26000 ve gigabyte windforce 12gb rtx3060 ile kullanıyorum
yes
Is it fit with cooler master 212 dual fan?
I do t see why not
hello can this mb supports 3600mhz ram?
it might but is suited more to 3200 really
does it work for a Ryzen 5 5600G?
yes with a bios update
So i cant use argb in this motherboard ?
no you can't
@@mikesunboxing okeey thank you mike for the information
@@mikesunboxingone more question mike, is this still recommended in 2024 ?
Can this mobo run rx 6600 in pcie 3 x16 slots?
yes it can
This or msi b450 a pro max
depends if you need a MATX motherboard or not
@@mikesunboxing the size doesn't matter I just want a the best vrm
@@AymenYT the B450-a pro has the better vrm you can see more here docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d9_E3h8bLp-TXr-0zTJFqqVxdCR9daIVNyMatydkpFA/htmlview#gid=639584818
Can we use ryzen 3 3200g
yes good choice for this board
Can I overclock my ryzen 3100 with this mb to upto 4.3 ghz? No problems?
Maybe if the chip will do it, the board can
@@mikesunboxing Okay Thank You
@@neyvourtv3527 No problem :-)
is it support 5600g?
yes with a bios update
Does it support 5600g
yes with the bios updated
Should I buy this or go With B450 aorus elite
Anyone using mortar max b450m may 28 2024?
still a good board in 2024 for a smaller form factor build
@@mikesunboxing gigabyte dsh3 b550m or msi b450m mortar max?
I'm using it
Dose it have wifi
no sorry
no chance it was 50 pounds haha
it was 3 years ago, this wasn't that unusual back then, and there have been a few since this video as well.
Does this board support gddr6 for gpu?
yes it does