The Spike Anti-Tank Guided Missile System
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- Опубліковано 14 січ 2018
- The Spike Family consists of missiles suited for several platforms, multiple ranges and a variety of targets. The Spike missile system is manufactured and marketed by the Israeli Company Rafael. Spike is a fourth generation man-portable fire-and-forget anti-tank guided missile with tandem-charged HEAT warhead. The Spike missile can be also used on ship. SPIKE-ER Missile will be operated from dedicated station remotely and both operators (Boat navigator/steerer and missile operator) will be able to coordinate their action optimally - visual and hearing contact available. The SPIKE-ER can be installed in the AH-1S Cobra, Agusta A-129, MD-500 Defenders, Gazelle, Mi-24 Hind and many more aircraft or helicopter. All of the Spike Family members have a low Life Cycle Cost, due to high reliability and operational, logistic support and production commonality between members.
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can yo make a video on the ajax (or do you have one?)
If you could make a video is HAL Tejas aircraft it would be wonderful loving your videos mate
Yukari_Akiyama I did one buddy
Dont you ever thought about that Israels enemies dont have tanks but all them stupid countries still buy spikes and most important that the best weapon makers in the world (Russians) dont make 3rd gen. anti-tank syst.Why Russians dont make it theirs ATS like spikes and javelin? Think about it and maybe then you wont be so exited to talk abou it. Stay smart
you should do VDV force. Cuz its something unique
I‘m a German paratrooper and we got the 4km version for infantry this year (we call it MELLS).
I shot 5 missiles so far and can tell you this thing is a monster. We penetrated 1 meter of pure steel with it. You can see a fucking squirrel at 4.000 meters at night, that’s crazy.
Our sneaky little Wiesel tanks will get the 8km version next year. That’s not even fair anymore :-)
This is crazy stuff :)
Ps. I'd love to own a Wiesel.
As a German I hope you get thousands of them. Thank you for sharing your experience.
@@larskoster1760 Also known as EuroSpike :)
I have two things to say to this:
1. Anti Squirrel Guided Missile - or ASGM. Peak meme.
2. I find it ironic that the German Bundeswehr is utilizing Israeli-made weapons. The good sort of irony.
Love from Israel!
@@shrk128 Mate, I love the Israeli Military. Don’t care about religions, history, politics or whatever. The Israeli military is one of the finest. Tons of experience and great tactics. Unfortunately never got the chance to train with them. Some Israeli inventions like the Mells/Spyke are awesome too.
I served in IDF as a medic in Armored corps back in 1998.
The anti-tank groups at the engineering corps camp near us had many training exercises and
they were always in a shortage of medics, that are obligatory to every live ammunition exercise.
So they always "loaned" medics from our camp for their war games. That's where I first seen Spike at work.
I was blown (luckily not literally )) by this system!
At first launches I wasn't stationed near the launcher, I guess back then some of the systems were still a secret.
I just watched a rocket climb steeply on it's way to a soviet T-55 several km from us and when it got near the tank turned down and hit from above smack in the middle of the turret.
After several exercises they got familiar with me, (probably had run some checks on me) and allowed to be stationed near the launchers. That was awesome! I saw how they got sudden orders in the middle of the missile flight to divert it to another target and hit it.
Being the tanks guy, I understood that you can't do much with wire guided rocket hitting you from above.
I don't think that even the active protection system, can intercept a rocket that comes straight down, but maybe I'm wrong. Our tanks still weren't equipped with such systems back then.
Another, less amusing fact about Spike system. It was involved in 1992 Zeelim B disaster. 5 sayeret matkal soldiers
were killed by Spike rocket in live ammunition exercise while training towards secret operation to kill Saddam Hussein.
The launching team got confused and launched the rocket, while in reality it was still "dry" exercise, with soldiers in the hit zone. :( The operation was a top secret, so was the existence of Spike missile system.
The whole operation was cancelled after the disaster.
That's the upside of being the company medic! I also had to be on call wherever our guys were shooting anything. I of course always brought my own binoculars along for when the tanks were shooting. Since reservists usually insist on coming back to their families in one piece, I thankfully never had anything to do, apart from sitting in the friendly, solid shade of one of these Ze'elim Tamarisk trees and watching things go boom, and of course shooting every conceivable gun on range days. At times, it felt like a vacation, and it always beat being at work!
@@DanielLLevy Spot on )
"War isn't like video games"
Rafael: "B-but what if it was..."
"Then lets play!"
Said no civilian ever.
@@Weisior This civilian did so I enlisted and ceased to be one until retirement. That's rather common.
ZLY WEISIOR I did
I’ve heard that some systems in the Swedish army actually use Xbox controllers for remote controlled weapons since most people joining already know how to use one really well
Matsimus: Spike ER has a range of 8,000 meters!...
Spike NLOS: Allow me to introduce myself.
"Our new rockets will tweet whenever they are launched. This helps them with networking with their buddy missiles. In addition, we will have an upgrade package for our missiles to take selfies when they are about to hit their target."
bernard Li better yet, they could automatically update your FB profile "bernard Li is now launching Spike ER missiles at T-80s" or something like that
soon they will have their own vlog and UA-cam channel
@@johnpatz8395 with your location coordinates with GPS accuracy lol
Do they smile...
Reminds me of a Star Trek Deep a space Nine episode where a "smart" weapon was fired hundreds of years ago and it's programming got changed during the centuries.
Kira had to go on board and interact with it, but she couldn't outsmart the "smart" missle .
Episode was in the 90s when smart weapons were all the rage .
Star Trek is great at taking current technology trends to an extreme, like a humanoid having a debate with a smart missle about the ethics of its purpose as a smart weapon ...
"...but it's what I was made for. It's who I am. It's my purpose for being to destroy. I must follow my programming, even if I know it's wrong ."
Smart Missle Quote 24th century
These weapons are so advanced... incredible somehow even. Imagine what just 100 of those with a couple dozen missiles each would have done in the battle of Kursk in second world war.
Handy if the ice cream van is driving off .
Militant KLF rebels have used them for exactly that.
that explains the incidental music - just one Kornet Oh! Give it to me........
Ploppy Ploppy that will teach him for short changing your kids
We used to call it the Nutcracker in the israeli militery
You're wrong
Nutcracker is MATADOR
holy shit look at 11:50 ! it went right through side to side of that T-62 turret.
Well, that was a Spike NLOS. Not a whole lot different from a Harpoon, if you could guide one onto a tank...
Nice to hear good things about jevelin and Spike. Our country uses jevelin systems and recently did contract with Germany and Israel on buying 88 boxers with 30mm guns and spike missile systems.
2:50 I dunno, if this missile had a twitter page where it announced its targets I'd probably follow it. I can't be the only one, I'm sure it would *explode* in popularity.
🤣🤣 and you better give it a like or you will be the next target
c0ke Teh Whale it could give a live feed of it ripping your arse off. “Like “ that dudes.
Notwithstanding the unit cost (what is that cost, BTW), I'm really impressed with the Spike system.
That it can give the user REAL-TIME updates as to what is downrange and within its field of view and, therefore, able to target, is exceptional and unheard of in previous weapons systems.
I must say that based on the video shown of the pending targets, the missile seems to be fairly slow as missiles go.
I mean it literally seems like you can run along side of it in flight. No blistering speeds there, NoSiree.
But the opportunity to cancel a target intercept of change of targets of opportunity make it quite a formidable opponent.
Thanks for putting this video together.
I think the cost would be outweighed by the reduced casualties taken in actual combat thanks to the ability to basically scout and engage tanks without even popping up on IR at any time if emplaced nicely. I wonder why they went for CCD cameras though. They are the right pick for scientiffic analysis where the density of light needs to be measured to perfection. But in a military application the presence of blur and low framerate seems annoying.
I was on active service back in the mid-nineties when we were stationed with guys from the original Meitar and Moran units. Back then the Spike was an absolute secret and everybody tried guessing the big secret.
I still remember how the guys there used my own vanity and let me keep on believing that I cracked it when I thought it was a ground fired Hellfire.
I'd say they were great in deception, but I was probably too dumb and full of it to notice.
Have you seen the missile gunner AVOIDING the TV truck after he saw it was a TV truck to avoid harm to those who are innocent??
You can't do that with a Javelin. This is so great.
11:29
Maxi Milian agreed, it’s a great weapon system
@@scottjohnson9912 bro...really?
@@scottjohnson9912 jesus shut up
@@cianmac3934 don't talk to jesus like that😠🤣
I would have let it slipped if it said CNN. Oops sorry it happened too fast 🤣🤣
Another Incredible video Matsimus!
Spike is a very impressive system. There was some critisism regarding the thermal imagine system's, target confusion in very hot environments, but there is also a visual camera on the missile. The new versions have non-cooled IR optics resulting in increased range.
The Spike MR2 has 3000m range, from 2500m. The Spike LR2 has 5500m range, from 4000m. The Spike ER2 has 10000m range, from 8000m and with Data Link fired from helicopters it can go up to 16000m. Finally, the Spike NLOS missile increased it's range to 30000m from 25000m. The hit accuracy for the Spike family is said to be 10cm (4 inches). Keep up the good work MATSIMUS.
Another great video man. Keep em coming.
The UK has also acquired the Spike NLOS system mounted on M113's under the name Exactor for use in Afghanistan and Iraq as a long range, precision missile system.
The system is mounted on a four round trailer, not on M113’s.
@@markgray3648 Bit of a late reply, but the 4 round launchers were acquired later as the M113s weren’t suited to the Afghan heat, they weren’t in service anywhere else in the army so presented logistical issues, and were generally just old and clapped out so a trailer mounted system was adopted instead as mobility wasn’t a huge issue given that it basically acts as a stand-off precision artillery piece.
@@twarvg8562 I don’t mean to doubt you, but I’m unaware of the British army ever using M113’s and I did quite a bit of digging around. Do you have a link to an article/picture of it in service. We’re not talking about a M548 platform, are we?
@@markgray3648
www.thinkdefence.co.uk/uk-complex-weapons/exactor/
The original Mk 2 was mounted on the M113s acquired in 2007 but they were replaced by Mk 5s (EXACTOR 2) around 2010 which are on 4 round SPARC trailers.
@@twarvg8562 I stand corrected. It seems like the M113’s were only in service very briek
Many years ago I served with the 101st Airborne in SE Asia.
We carried the LAW for bunker busting duties. First time I attempted to fire one for that purpose it failed to launch. Procedure dictated that I place the unit on the ground and run like hell which I did. Two steps later it blew up wounding two grunts in my platoon.
Really glad to see things have improved since then. The RPG used by the other side was far superior and scared the hell out of us. Keep up the good work.
And if we pay attention to his voice we can notice his excitement. No wonder, i saw this things in action during a fire exercise in the northern of Chile, what a spectacle.
Your finding your stride son, ..less rattling off of cold an more information an context..Well done..Allan
Glad we have this...
Another great video .
Thanks
I really like war tech stuff. Keep up the good work.
It’s simply brilliant !
This is the best and most extensive video I've seen on the Spike missile 👍
it's probably cheaper than the tank it's about to kill
€90.000-€100.000 euro's a pop, with the CLU costing around €100.000
@@maarten9022 Given the capability that's actually very effective
@@Spookie425 indeed
And if the APS intercept the missile, it's still cheaper to shoot it until the APS are depleted.
You know, when we Finns buy a weapon system it is usually the best bang for the buck.
Hey matsimus rusty in oz here, luv the system😉!! everything about it is wot you would expect if the Israelis designed & built it.
The launcher multipurpose, the rockets multipurpose, it doesn't seem to have any downsides. I noticed that the hardware.well at least some of it was made by Sony which probably means that I can plug in my ps4 controller & fire & guide the rocket with it😆. I would find it very interesting to see if u could connect it to a camera fitted drone which is then used to discretely find many targets tag them all & using vehicle,helicopter mounted systems fire as many rockets possible using the drone as the targeting system once it tags a target tank,truck,towed artillery or even a large force of men it would continue to track until said vehicles are destroyed.
You could run your war without even seeing your enemy.
I just fooken luv it. Keep up the good work mate. Rusty in oz
3/27/19 I've seen video of IDF in trucks with about
4 operators operating the operations.😁😁 using something like a videcontrollerer.
Remember the movie "War Games"? "Want to play a game?" ua-cam.com/video/ecPeSmF_ikc/v-deo.html
thanks much, very nice presentation!
It was just announced that the Spike LR2 will be the ATGM system mounted on the new Australian Rheinmetall Boxer CRVs. Looks like a great capability. Thanks for the video.
Thank you for showing us some very nice weapons.
Polish troops proving that they "can into space" with those ATGMs.
Can I have a new link to your discord? The one on your channel doesn't seem to work.
If I were a nation in search of a newer atm, this is it!!! And I am American. Javelin is nice to but the versatility of this weapon platform is amazing. With tandom warheads and the ability to aim for vulnerable areas just before impact gives this a better chance for a kill.
Excellent,wish I had that System befofe I learned how to use the Tow 123!!! When I was in the US Army I was trained as a Missle Gunner,Tow,AT3,LAW,and the Dragon!! I agree with your thoughts on the Javeline,Excellent Missle System used it in Iraq and Afganistan!! Most Excellent Bunker Buster,Hardened Position,and slow moving Personell and Vehicles!! We used the Javeline in the Korengal Valley at the Kop,and it worked every time never a failure!!! Somewhat Limited Range in my Opinion for a Non Wire Guided Missle System,but there again it isn't a Tow is it??? Excellent Video,myself I know the Capabilities of your Canadian Special Forces,I spent 6 with the BEF and 2 with Her Majisties SAS and believe you me you Canadians have an Super Group of Armed Forces ive trained with them in joint Excersises!! Excellent Bunch of Blokes,Cheers to all of them From a Retired US Army Captain,and Sargent in The Royal Army/and Her Majisties SAS!!! Cheers Mates Erin Go Braugh!!! Yes im a US born/Raised in Ireland and the son of a Family of US Marines!!! Cheers
Great video! As per your norm. A small PS- since 2007, they have Up-graded/ intergraded the launch and delivery SCOT platform so the unit can be reassigned and reused multiple times for AR and Drone use too. With its GPS system, they might as well. Maybe if the price goes down per unit, it can be reconfigured to deliver pizza as well!
Hard G on 'Gill" Matt.
It sounds like a good multi-use system. So Matsimus, what do you think about installing hover drones on armored vehicles. Specifically ones the can network with an NLOS spike for targeting?
3:14 that guys face lmfao
Thank you
XD i think its a Norwegian =)
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Finland stronk, we are very happy with this system.
I agree with you matsimus it's a awesome system.
Its kinda scary to know about how perfect these missiles can hit the turret top of a Tank.
About 80% of launched SPIKEs in Poland hit direct into comanders hatchs.
Seems to be very versatile but costly! Thanks for heads up! 👍
Spike deal is back on track , we're buying.
The Spike, the only ATGM with next gen recon capability.
Could you do the Australian Hobart class destroyers and Anzac class frigates? just curious to hear you thoughts on those particular warships
The Spike predecessor of the Tamuz - The Tamuz has been in service in the IDF since 1980!
That's one delicious looking ATGM Matsimus. Big fan of your channel. Keep up the great work mate. Look forward to seeing more of your future videos.
I had a chance to take a look trough Spike-LR CLU, thermal seems very clear, even during hot day picture is free of noise. Thermal offers 2 magnifications to choose + extra electronic zoom (E ZOOM) mode. On left grip you have focus, optical zoom, brightness/contrast and BHOT/WHOT buttons (maybe i have forgotten about 1 or 2), there is also 3 position thermal switch (OFF/STANDBY with cooling/ON) there. On right grip you got a guarded lock on trigger (it probably also prepares missile like in Javelin), unguarded fire button, thumbstick with force sensing (for trajectory adjustments in flight) and IIRC 2 buttons (one for E-ZOOM and another one for MANUAL mode). Not sure where is a button for LOW/HIGH trajectory selection, maybe it is one of the left grip ones i have forgotten? CLU can display image (from build in thermal or from missile) or can be used as periscope alike thing (just like Javelin). On the bottom there are 3 LED lights (TIS, MSL and SYS). TIS is for thermal, IIRC it shows if thermal is cooling down, MSL gonna be for missile, SYS, well it stands for system but i have no idea on what it does.
Indian MoD canceled the large Spike deal along with license manufacture was canceled because DRDO (Def RnD agency) said that a domestic missile with much cheaper price will be available in a few years but a small amount of spike will be bought as stopgap measure and replace some older versions of Milan and Konkurs
So, they basicly want to play "cheap china knockoff", but a few, test them, take them apart and produce a chaper copy of them. But considering the indian arms industry, that would be quite a good copy
Thats not exactly why they wanted to cancel. India doesn't breakdown & make copy of other country tech. Trust is very important to India.
The reason for cancellation is, DRDO says they are already in the stage where they can develop a homemade version of anti-tank missile. So, they want to offer the armed force with a local weapon & not want them to buy a expensive foreign missile.
ISRAEL-INDIA SPIKE MISSILE DEAL BACK ON, SAYS NETANYAHU
www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Israel-India-spike-missile-deal-back-on-says-Netanyahu-537003
www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Indian-missile-trial-jeopardizes-Rafaels-500m-Spike-deal-544430
Can someone explain to me how the fuck can the launcher contain 8km of wire in it? I saw in the video that the missile is wire guided..
that's insane! why use a wire tho? just use infrared guidance like the Javelin.
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Kinda reminds me of my NS days a long time back when my unit's Spike platoon would pretty much be moving everywhere, even if it meant crawling through an insanely narrow drainpipe with the LR rockets and the launch units on their backs. 😝
singkie?
Lima Charlie yup 😁
There is certainly a lot of hype for the spike to India. But not as much hype as when you'll make a video about the Type 99 tank.
From what I’ve seen heard and read, Spike might be the best available in the world. In comparison to Eastern ATGM systems, the Russians make phenomenal ATGMs but they are not shoulder launched, nor is it a top down munition. It’s up side however is long range, accuracy and penetration.
Imagine if the Kornet was top down and shoulder launched?
i rememeber reading about Spike in some military magazine before 10 yrs or more, also inside was interesting article about Swiss Oerlikon 30mm Skyshield system used for AA defense for vital state assets like powerplants, factories, dams etc. best part was ammunition
any chance we can see about this on your channel (:
Romania have over 1000 rockets Spike LR,hundreds missiles spike ER are equip our attack helicopters Puma Socat ,and MLI 84 Jderul a vehicle construct on BMP 2 platform are equipped with Spike LR too.This rockets are very good and reliable and replace old soviet rockets Maliutka with low precision.
MALIUTKA is not low precision , the thing can hit if you are good at controling it , it all about the human behind the weapon that why later the soviet used laser system and not manual control
Excellent weapon...versatil..tremendous capabilities..tactical appication...any well army should have in they arsenal.. thank you I love it..
DAMMIT I GOT OFF OF YOUR COLD WAR TACTICS VIDEO TO TRY FOR FIRST
little trivia, out of all the vereiants, the spike nlos (tamuz) is actually the oldest one and was already used in the early 80's
Pandur also purchased the Spike for the Marines version of the Pandur II wich to compensate lighter armour would have the Spike for higher anti-tank capabilities but the Marine version Pandur was cancelled
Hello, ive discovered your channel a few days ago and enjoyed the content so far.
One question; where does the cutscene in your intro come from? Is it a game or movie?
And what about the melody playing?
Thank you in advance!
Rocket raccoon just love this channel.
Spike works very well in all its versions.
Those who write infantile, ignorant comments, please check your hard discs.
I read that my country buy Spike.. i think thats good👍🇫🇮🇪🇺
love it 😍. Glad to hear that the Netherlands have this system in use. should send some to the Baltic states, that would give Vlad pause.
Would you ever consider doing a video on the xm1a3 or the m8 thunderbolt/buford series light tanks?
Did you mention South Korea as operator? I might have missed it but they operate Spike NLOS by the marine (vehicle operated) and navy (AW159 helicopter). Also did you also talked about Pereh missile carrier?
Excellent system; I would expect nothing less from Israeli Arms.
Will most definitely buy this for our future army,Boranian People's Army!
looks like a ramped up type of javelin.
The Spike missile was developed in the late 1970's, early 1980's. The FGM 148 Javelin was developed in the 1990's. It's known to be expensive.
Dr Bendover it's a down grade to the jav.
hag1210
and the first pc the size of a microwave 1996try and fit that in a spike missile.
The most impressive part about the Spike and Javelin is the ability for them to fire multiple missiles from the same launcher.
How do they link the system among all the missiles to any one of the launchers?
Hey (or should I say G'day) Matsimus! FYI. Australia is to purchase the Spike LR2 missile to be equipped on the winner of the Land 400 Phase 2 program, which is the Rheinmetall Boxer CRV. And has license to build a production facility as well. Now all we need is the Rheinmetall Puma for Land 400 Phase 3.
Great video. I didn't know the Bundeswehr is using this system? Good for them. And I guess it speaks for itself that if Poland has purchased this platform it has to be awesome. After all they are at the forefront facing the "red bear".
Then it's time US adopted mass issued & improved, eventually, this fine ATGM system.
Hey Israel sorry for the 1940s. Can we buy your missile? Sincerely Germany
@@nickc7320 lmao
Waiting for one that includes some effective man pad capabilities 😎
Love to see and learn more about the Pereh ATGM TANK, fitted out with 12 pods on a MERKAVA MK4
The Pereh was retired, it's based on an Magach (M60 variant) platform, not on a Merkava.
I see lots of various missile tests,but all on OLD tanks with no armor package upgrades,are there any good videos of test done on relevant armor ?
They do that on armored plates, not actual tanks. Do you have a T90 to spare?
Just an update on your film: in 2019 India ordered 250 spike missiles anyway from Israel and Canada also bought the Spike missiles from Israel.
Great video as always!!! As a follow up to your comment from when this video was made a few years ago, it looks like India did end up going with the Spike missile.
The best!
The royal artillery are also using Spike missiles mounted on M113 vehicles in small numbers
my favorite is the Defense Intercept Lethal Destructive Ordinance system. Considering the integration of the armed forces, I think it is an important system!
indian govt had cancelled the deal because DRDO R and D of india wanted the indian government to buy their NAG missile but still in development but now indian govt has singed 500$ million deal for spike missile
indians and their flip flopping policy, by the time they design the weapon becomes obsolete...
Lima Charlie Who cares, they won't go to war easily anyways.
Ankit Kini DRDO has develop Anti Tank Missile NAG, but now Nag missile under developing, so now can get a fully prepared NAG missile in Indian Army by 2022, but the Indian Army want anti-tank missile for defense now but Government cancel to buy spike missile deal, But for this reason modernization of the Indian Army slowed down, the army demanded to buy back the spike missile The government has accepted the purchase of Spike missile.
Ankit Kini original deal had tot but then US pressured Israel to not give tot so deal was cancelled
@barman, the military during peace time is to get ready for conflicts, if the military shares such apathy as you, i am very afraid for india...
But is it as effective as Russian soldiers dancing
@Haribo 73 Unless, of course, *shudders* the P90 Rush B
no no it's not
i come from the future to say to the surprise of no one, spike missiles have performed well in war (latest being nagorno-karabakh). i think with the ATGM shortage from some factories, spike NLOS will be the new hype for the next 5-10 years (but thats just a hunch). thing is kinda crazy (6th gen with 50km range, can mount on the back of light vehicles, multiplatform, pass-on controls)
great missile I saw few times the NLOS version fire
it just like some kind of video game arcade you use joystick to control and navigate to your target
It's like u can shoot everything and anywhere with this.
2:47 now skynet can finally take over:D
Social Capabilities Enabled, Missile posts updates to twitter in real time, proceeds to decimate selected target from data base
Base Responds : :), :P, (XvX), thumbs up, thumbs up!!!!
How does electro-optical guidance work anyways? I've never seen an adequate explanation.
I have shot one missile with Euro-Spike!
Just the contract was signed between Hungarians and Israelis to purchase and adopt the Spike family for the different new vehicles, like the Híúz(KF41), Gidrán 4X4, the new H145M helicopters, and maybe also to the H225M.
Spike LR is in service with Azerbaijani Armed Forces and saw action in 2014
It's more countries now, in February 2018 - only a month after this video came out, Lavia signed a deal on SPIKE missiles.
As a Canadian, I agree 110% but our acquisitions personnel are beyond fucked and absolutely frustrating to deal with. How long did it take for us to get new rifles for the Rangers and how many companies did we piss off? We spent half a mil on researching camouflaged boots but can't spend that on getting better lbe. We got rid of our 60mm mortars and replaced them with an auto ranging grenade launcher that sits in warehouses in Canada. We bought the TAPV that's about the size of a LAV but less protected, less armed and carries less people to do jobs already being slotted for by other vehicles. We have 0 land based AA after retiring ADATS. And with all the bitching about F35 it looks like we're going to get no new jets. Don't even get me started on our Navy.
Canada's military acquisition is a bad joke paid for by the blood of Canadian soldiers. Absolute outrage.
SpecialSauces I've heard that you Canadians might be buying our old Australian hornets after we get our F-35's but the key word is OLD so yeah your military definitely needs to get their thumb out of their arse.
And that was all to stick it to Boeing for suing Bombardier because Boeing is a bitch. The biggest bullshit besides buying used aircraft is that your Hornets are STILL Boeing. If we were going to be this wishy washy we should have just stuck with Lockheed's F35 or taken Rafaele's offer.
It's sad when even a country like Luxembourg is better put together than we are.
well you guys have good artillery dudes at least. i was infantry in the us army. our own guys couldn't hit shit on one deployment to afghanistan, whenever we'd call for a fire mission and get canadians they'd be like "which window?" lol
We have great and well trained guys for sure. It's just a pisser that our various acquisitions departments fail our soldiers, airmen and sailors due to political or budgetary reasons. Our soldiers deserve better and so do our allies.
Very true, but to be fair, the US DoD 's procurement is also mostly disastrous (LCS, M1163 Growler , EFV, OICW, XM8, F-35, UCP camouflage).
Well, India chose to roll back from the deal for 1 reason.
We are developing our own man portable atgm. Infact 2 of em. But yeah, spike is a beautiful missile none the less.
Update: India bought a small amt of spike in emergency need as we were in a bloody standoff with China for some time.
Jaw-dropping capabilities.
Amazing Missile System. As far as India is concerned, I have been reading that their MoD has been pushing for more "in house" domestically produced kit.
Yeah. The kit is already about to complete testing. And its not just one ATGM but an entire array of Indian ATGMs, all 3rd gen or above fire-and-forget with rf data link and an IIR or MMW seeker, the latter with LOAL mode as well as LOBL. Being tested from man portable, vehicle launched, helicopter launched versions. These are the DRDO MPATGM (4 km range), DRDO Nag (8km), DRDO HeliNa (8km), DRDO Dhruvastra (8km), DRDO SANT (20km).
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However since it would be a couple of years before the production contract is passed after trials, some Spike MR were bought as a stop-gap.
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Keep in mind, in the desert trials for the Army, Javelin had succeeded and Spike had failed (IIR seeker couldn't acquire target in one particular condition). So now the Indian ATGM being accepted has actually been tested to exceed the Spike's seeker in that parameter. The seeker's heart that is the focal planar array was also developed in India.
i've read about it and it seems like a good system. the more the better imo. india have come up with great stuff in the past years, looking forward to
If I understand. You don't even need an ATGM.. The optics can be linked to others that do. Out of sight. They link to the one that does. Thus you can fire from cover. The other optics feeds the target information to it.
Awesome ATGM. I think you're right about India, it has to be cost.