How Phantom Cameras are made
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2016
- Gav pays a visit to the lovely folks at Vision Research to see where the world's Phantom cameras are made.
Thanks to Phiroze, Toni and everyone else at Vision Research for letting me see behind the scenes. - Розваги
Despite the seriousness of this "documentary", Gav still finds time to make a "knob" joke. Well done.
Was that a joke?
@@nicolacornolti7796 I think he just said "knob"
@@taossoundandmedia8674 trust me an English person can't say knob without a smirk and assuming some sort of innuendo. Even if they are a traitor.
Fascinating video dude. Watching "how it's made" was always a favorite of mine and this is just as cool. This second channel is quickly becoming one of my favorites
cagwe
How it's made is my favorite TV show! And the puns... deluxe
Heeeeeeeey! The shining beacon of nice comments appears again: NinjaPups.
lol i also love "how its made" xD✌👍
NINJAPUPS!!!! Always a pleasure to see you my dear man!!!
"After that if we're feeling adventurous we might do a couple with red food dye."
Wow, calm down. You madman.
r/madlads
Look at the toolbelt on that guy.. instant respect :P
So that's where the magic happens.. awesome video Gav :)
Forget that, look at that woman! WOW
That pocket protector tho
He's certainly got enough pen's also
and too many extra pens lolz
That guy knows his stuff. I could listen to him all day
right? he has a very soothing calm voice with just a bit of an accent, perfect for audio books and BBC wildlife documentaries.
It is really nice with a guided tour by someone who knows the stuff. The people taking care of visitors are not usually deep into the actual product making. But this time!
Dude We Have The Same Profile Pic
Jay SB Did he have enough stuff in his pocket. 10:20
only if the background sound was less louder...
2:58 "Wet and ready to receive" XD Phantom knows what's up
You sir, have a dirty, dirty mind
I'm so glad I wasn't the only one to pick that up :D
I read that just as he said it XD
i knowwww
All this explains the pricing. Seriously impressive engineering
Geof Dumas not really, it’s more about economies of scale. A regular old phone is about as difficult to make as one of these cameras, but the fact that they make MILLIONS of them in China makes them A LOT cheaper.
@@ElZamo92 That might be true for the past, but today many facilities are designed to be so versatile that they can easily make different products. I am pretty sure if they could make these cameras in China for the same money or cheaper. But they would have to make major changes to the from the QA point of view. When the price is not he main competitive aspect you might be better off keeping the production in the US and more in your own hands.
@@zabnat The cameras are also not in super high demand, which means they can drive up the price. The people who need 'em will buy 'em.
how much such cameras cost?
@@zheka1780 upwards of $100k
Can you film the lens of a phantom with another phantom to see how quick the shutter goes
It's an electronic shutter not mechanical. No moving parts to film.
DAD?!
+The Slow Mo Guys 2 just wondering, is it a global shutter or rolling shutter on the phantoms?
+Edward Millard (Neovo903) I believe he said in the camera shutter video that the phantoms use global shutters, but I may be mistaken.
It obviously has a global shutter. There's no way a slow motion video would be high quality with a rolling shutter.
This was the most interesting thing I've seen all fucking year
How do people invent a phantom camera? The sheer amount of detail and intelligent planning that would go into that process is mind-blowing. Bravo Vision Research.
They don't "invent" it.
They pay an army of excellent engineers an exceptional amount of money for a few months, and give them a task to accomplish.
I think about that everytime i load a mag into our Phantoms, very very dedicated engineers... so awesome !
SheNoob087 Nobody came up with the idea of a "phantom" camera. That's just the camera series built by Vision Research.
High-speed film cameras existed before that, and there was a LOT of innovation in that industry too, before anything ever became digital.
This is just the continuation of the high speed camera industry that's existed since the Muybridge's 1887 horse shot, because he wanted to see if the horse had all legs in the air whilst galloping.
SheNoob087 LOL. that was a good comeback !!!. i have been working in High Speed photography for quite some time. originally Vision Research made high speed film cameras with high speed mechanical shutters. original high speed photography was invented in the late 1800's to watch the hooves of horses when they were racing at the track. i guess every good invention is created out of necessity ! or desire !. we love Vision Research and they are a very dedicated company. without them our channel and many of our slow mo projects would not exist !.
***** You should be reading Warped Perception's posts before you run your mouth.
Super cool! Thank you for "taking us with you".
Manufacturing tours are always satisfying to watch.
"Wet and ready to receive." Uh huh, you don't say...
only if we're feeling adventurous
How about "fleshy red button"
The most satisfying button they've made to date.
2:55
6:21 when I see dumb comments on UA-cam.
i bet gav was like a superstar there. it would be an NBA player showing up at a local park and ballin with the locals
He's not even a customer of theirs.
Not that much of a superstar.
Didn't he buy several phantoms? I know they rented one once, but I though he bought the rest.
d4ark I think he owns one or two, second hand.
I don't think being a customer of theirs or not matters. He has made tons of videos using their products, while saying he is using their products, and had millions and millions of views. The promoting he had done for them is enormous and he is very famous because of his work. So if I worked there he would totally be a superstar to me. Hell he already is to me and a lot of other people and I don't have to work there to say that
+ItsBo Sounds about right. I thought about the marketing quota of Gavin alone. Like Gavin told, there used to be a single high-speed photographer in the UK, to whom Gavin latched as an apprentice. Slow-mo cameras aren't very well known overall, seeing as their high price and very niche market prevents them from being a household product. But now, with this incredibly popular channel, millions of people are exposed to the product's brand, features and capabilities, and happily spread them around with one viral video after the other.
Slow mo Guys history:
Blew up a building
Raced a car
Launched rockets
Pressure cannon
Fire Tornado
Pharoze: “If we’re feeling adventurous, we can try some red food dye on the water.”
that is one hell of a pocket protector
This is what I was looking for.
"Hey Phiroze, do you have a pen?"
"No. I have every pen."
This guy talking with Gavin could do asmr. Great deep baritone voice.
The clear water drop in slow mo reminds me of an Apple advert!
I love how parts of some of the most advanced cameras in the world are made using stencils
That's industry standard.
Your phone's solder paste is also dispensed via stencils.
There's no quicker way to do it :)
Heck, even the IC's are fabricated using scencils. Well, sort of, kinda.... Photolithography ftw!
Isn't wave soldering quicker?
bassl0va Wave soldering is quicker but the process isn't necessarily compatible with every board layout or with certain types of components etc. Wave soldering is mostly used for boards with mostly through-hole or larger components nowadays.
Also I think it'd be hard for them to set up a wave soldering machine in their shop, reflow oven is "neater", no harm in having it smack in the middle of a production floor for example. No worries about toxic fumes and flowing molten metal and all that...
Besides, once you have a steady flow of boards going into the oven and boards coming out, reflow is pretty fast anyway!
bassl0va You can't wave solder components without gluing the components to the board.
I'd love to see a "how it works" video about the Phantoms. What is different from a regular camera to allow it to film at such high speeds? How does it mitigate noise from the very low exposure? Does it do any post processing like filtering the noise over several frames? What is the limiting factor for being able to shoot at even higher speeds? The resolution / fps trade-off Gavin mentioned a few times makes me believe it's the post processing or I/O bandwidth, rather than any optical limitation of the sensor.
They cannot reveal Company secrets that casually.
Alright. Not a "how it works", but a simple explanation from a person that's "in" on the high-speed camera industry.
1) The main difference between high-speed and regular cameras is the data path. In regular cameras, the hardware is highly optimized to take a set of images at regular speed from a sensor that's highly optimized to work in that specific set of conditions, then compress it using proprietary silicon that can *only* do compression(in most cases), and then it's stored directly to non-volatile media without any buffering anywhere.
1+2) The second difference is the sensor performance. The sensors in regular cameras are, and this is a scary word for silicon, built down to a price. They're designed to be manufactured in the millions(most Sony sensors have a MOQ of 5k, sometimes even per month, even for huge companies), and they have been made to operate at their limit most of the time, including the pixel density and size, as well as architecture.
The high-speed camera sensors are designed in-house, and they are designed entirely differently, main criteria being the engineer's requirements, not the price. They usually have huge pixel pitch, sometimes 10x higher than the consumer cameras, which makes them incredibly clean and noiseless, though that's not the only factor, I won't go into detail about that.
This is also partly how it can get huge base sensitivities(without gain) that allow you to have very short exposures. It's simply how the sensors are built in silicon, no magic involved.
3) There is no filtering or processing of the images of almost any kind, except for a few minor things like subtraction of pre-calibrated sensor FPN. FPN is fixed-pattern noise, which is unique to every single sensor(silicon is not entirely perfect, as others may believe, it's always flawed or different in some ways). Some of that noise comes from imperfections of the pixels themselves, but most of it comes from differences in the column/row amplifier stages, because every pixel's value is still too small to detect with a regular ADC, it needs to be amplified.
4) The limiting factor for being able to shoot at higher resolution and higher speeds, both of which are pretty much the same, is bandwidth, or specifically bandwidth outside the sensor.
The signal paths can only handle so much data, even with the highest-end components and the most brilliant engineers, 20-layer boards and signal length matching down to a picosecond.
As well as the hardware limitations, there's also the problem of storage.
Even the highest speed RAM has its limits. The images that are being stored are entirely raw from the sensor, there is no affordable(in terms of high-speed cameras no less) way to compress this much data(one of the world's fastest cameras shoots at 26 gigapixels per second), which means a 10-bit 1920x1080 image takes up 2.592 megabytes.
One way to get around this is to make a camera almost entirely in silicon. This is what the guys at Shimadzu did with their HPV series cameras - they created a sensor that only needs a timing input, the rest is done in-situ.
Every pixel has %frame count% of "pixels" adjacent to it, which simply store the image as soon as it's captured, without having to offload it outside silicon for storage in RAM.
This is how they manage to get speeds of up to 10 000 000 frames per second, but the tradeoff is the number of frames they shoot, which in their case is smaller than 256.
However, if you decided to make an entire high-resolution camera in silicon, you'd be looking at research & development costs of up to $20-100M and higher just for the silicon, and the production costs would be immense as well, since the silicon itself will have to be quite huge in terms of area.
Noise is defined as spurious information that you don't want. It's not specific to audio.
***** Wonderful explanation! Thanks for your time.
Dolkarr You're welcome.
This is the most Smarter Every Day video you've made, and I love it!
Very nice of them to let you record this and share it with us
I love that you can tell just how excited Gav was through this whole thing. It was like watching a kid go to Disney for the first time!
I have a hard time handling how perfectly symmetrical those water droplets hitting the water were
the water one without the die looked so fake and simulated
Maybe this will help. If u think about what causes tge drops to be perfect, it gravity combined with several other forces acting inward upon thr droplet. And its also newtons first law (i believe) every force has an equal and opposite reaction meaning while a force is being put on from one direction, the same force is acting on the opposite side, thus giving a perfect sphere. Obviously with air flow and forcing it out the tube the water drop will not stay perfect the whole time
They used to make lead shots by dropping a premeasured amount of molten lead from a certain height into cold water where it solidified into an almost perfect sphere.
It's physics at work :P
Alec White that’s actual the third one :)
Nice video. These cameras are absolutely gorgeous.
you should put this on the main channel so it can get more attention
Nah he would lose subs this is some boring stuff tbh
+ricebabytran I find it all fascinating to be perfectly honest.
MRocky323 Well we have one person that stays a sub. But if you show this to other people do you think they would find it as interesting as the usual videos?
+MRocky323 Same if I was honest
CuffRox That makes four technically. Now think about how many throw dislikes at Mica's videos and how they may react to this
It's nice to hear someone talk about a subject they're knowledgeable about. It's a a satisfying thing. Good for this guy!
He's so clearly excited about it, it makes it so much nicer to watch when someone's passionate about something
Informative and professional. Well done Gavin, and thanks for sharing!
Of course Gavin found the knobs!
Gav you did slow mo with some other guy.... I can't believe you would do that.
Dan, log in, please.
Nice of the Phantom guys to let you film everything and give you a good tour for the video. +
Best how it's made episode so far.
This video pretty much combined How It's Made and Gavin, can't go wrong there. Very interesting, and I loved the Gavin jokes sprinkled in. Even got a shoutout to knobs.
Gav seems like the kind of guy you just want to be mates with. Thanks for the content, pal.
Phiroze is excellent at explaining the processes very concisely and clearly. Great job!
the guy explaining it all looks like micheal from Vsauce
no he doesn't...
looks more like wheezy waiter tbh
+R EMcW yea he does
you serious..? so because he has a receding hairline and glasses he looks like Michael. ok mate..
got any spit facts
10:06 The number of tools in that poor shirt pocket...
I love listening to people who are so interested and passionate about their work
I would have gone with "We like our cameras well done."
I love a good look at the inside of tech, especially the things I'll never own.
and this is how the slo mo guys was created
No, they were created through more biological means
Marco Karaki you mean when a slow moving man and a camera love each other?!
Azninja yes
Was = Singular , Were=Plural. Your welcome for the free grammar lesson.
+The Wild Nature
Your = possessive pronoun
You're = you are
I suggest you correct your grammar before correcting others.
They were so natural and friendly on the tour. That's pretty awesome.
This video is awesome. Phiroze and Toni are absolute pros and I would prefer to hear this information from no one else.
Just a good, interesting, genuine video. I like Gavin's approach to UA-cam.
I never in my life would have thought that cameras are this interesting
This is exactly what would happen if Gavin had a "How It's Made"-style show. Dig it.
Modern manufacturing never ceases to amaze me. Processes and automation that nobody ever hears about but is usually amazing. Great video!
2:57 I feel the same.
Very similar to making motherboards for various machines used in different industries. Cool Stuff!
Fantastic. I felt like I was watching an episode of Mr. Rogers Neighborhood.
All that perfection and he puts the camera on its bloody side!
i had no idea they were made in Wayne NJ!
Are you in NJ? I dun no if I should be jelly or not because your closer to the Phantom factories than me
CuffRox i just looked up the address of the facility, its like 15 minutes from me
Same here! I honestly had no idea they were manufactured in NJ.
Same man, small world!
Waynes World?
you know he's professional when you see all the stuff in his top pocket.
That was a fantastic look into the world of electronics in general, and specifically into your world of slo-mo. Thank You! :)
Gavin: "...I've come to Wayne, NJ..."
Me: * Lives in Wayne, NJ * *WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!*
idk why but the wayne lax team was my first impression of wayne. I hate waynes lax team
Me too😂😂😂😂 I go to WPU
Rocco I go to bridgewater and we used to play wayne and they were alway so rude which kinda made me hate the town but ive gotten over it.
I live near the Atlantic City
_OOF_ missed your chance to see him
Awesome and well done! I felt like I was watching something on the Discovery Channel.
This dude's pocket protector game is on a whole nother level.
tools identified ? I think there is a vernier
Very neat, I bet seeing the inside of something you've used so often has to give you a certain awe of the final product.
"Knobs"
Same, Gav
I loved this! It was so informative!!! Bloomin marvelous Gav! Also the last frame was like a where's Wally shot ;D
Imagine "How its made" with Gavin and filmed in slow mo!
Thanks for posting this, it's always awesome to see how things are made. And a big thanks to Vision Research for allowing him to visit and record the process.
This is so brilliant. I'd love to just sit down and watch all the people and machines go to work creating these beauties.
YOU WERE IN WAYNE, NJ?!? AND I MISSED IT?!?
nice pic.
Same, I wish I was able to see him :P
same, i live 5 mins frim Wayne
My question is where the fuck was this in Wayne 😂
Wayne's World, obviously.
Very very intriguing to say the least.
Gavin's cinematography is actually fantastic
glad to see the phantom people are very supportive of the slo mo guys.
WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYNE
Seriously, I wish I had known he was 10 minutes away from me :(
Fuck my life I can't believe he was here...
At 4:53... you wouldn't put toast in it. You'd put bread in it, then you'd get toast. ;)
Wrong. I'll say put _t o a s t_
The lighting at the end slow mo clip was insanity!
That shot of all the staff at the end really made me smile.
Thanks gav
If Gavin was the Batman of Phantoms then these guys are the Lucius Fox of Wayne Tech
Oh man, that red food dye...so "adventurous" XD
r/madlads
This was a real pleasure to watch. Phiroze did a great job explaining everything without dumbing it down too much or making it overly dry and complex.
This was fantastic to watch. Thanks for sharing and kudos to the Phantom Crew for allowing it.
what a cool inside look, did they invite you because you bought a lot of their stuff or did you have to ask?
I think its because he basically has been providing them free advertising for yeaaaars
I dont think hes bought the phantoms hes used
I'm pretty sure that youtube is a hobby for him and he actually does slow motion for feature films and commercials. Hence access to the cameras.
+tater todd i dont believe RT has any phantoms they dont really do a lot of slow mo and when they do Gav is usually the one that does it. He may own 1 or 2 and then borrows the others or something like that cause he even said in the video hes used all the cameras except for the new one, not own them.
I don't recall if he's actually bought a camera himself yet or not, but I know that Rooster Teeth owns at least one, if not more, that they bought more or less for Gavin. So yes, between the free advertising and being directly responsible for at least a couple purchases helps build a good relationship.
*Latest techonology* *uses Windows XP*
I'm apart of a robotics program and they told us from day one that we would be using Windows XP quite a bit. Most manufacturing plants still run on XP and there might be a chance of something even older
lots of industry and professional equipment is still optimized for XP, and you can still get XP licenses if you really need them. all because if its not broke, dont fix it. i would still be using XP if Windows 7 didnt work this well.
what, XP is by far one of the most, if not the most solid operating system around, at the very least the best microsoft has made
I bet you'd be surprised that a majority of businesses still use DOS but they do, in general if they aint using XP then they're probably using DOS or some mac(albeit newer businesses would be more likely to use 7 or 10, being used to it does have a lot to do with it too, retraining staff, etc)
Everybody, it's not that XP is "solid" or anything like that. If anything, it's more insecure as Microsoft has stopped updating it.
The problem is that the software needed for lots of manufacturing, CNC, SCADA, etc. systems is very expensive and very specifically made to be sure that it communicates with equipment the way it should. A lot of them use old APIs, code, and drivers that only run on outdated versions of Windows. It would be prohibitively expensive for both Phantom and for the makers of the software to start from scratch just to make it for Windows 7.
Windows XP also has the greatest fucking UI in Microsoft's history
Awesome, thanks for the tour!
Fantastic. All the best to the Phantom people and SloMo Guys!
let's take a minute to appreciate the correct way of pronouncing soldering demonstrated in this video.
I always pronounced it sodder and thought it was spelled sodder. I looked it up because of this video, boy was I wrong.
+Mike Sico I was taught to say it the incorrect way in school I guess... In 7th grade we did soldering for robotics but apparently, everyone there called it "saw-der"
Merriam Webster says otherwise.
well hes in the United States, so hes pronouncing it wrong.
'murica ;)
"Wet and ready to receive"
I love how there's like tape reels but with electronic components, screen printing is used for soldering and there's like a pizza oven but for PCBs
Great video showing the passion of Phiroze and Toni for their companies products. As I was watching I noticed that Phiroze is caring a pocket protector to make any ‘techno geek’ proud. It certainly made the one I carried totally insufficient. I only had on scale in mine. I have been retired since 2002 and I still have my last pocket protector in use the day I left. Great job Phiroze. I would truly love to meet you in person. Gavin, you Lead a truly gifted life that allows you to meet such caring people.
3:21 long live windows XP!!!!!
never change a running system...
Who uses Tide Detergent
Gain, bitch!
I use whatever is the cheapest fuck yo expensive Tide bullshit
Everyone knows Headlight Fluid is better.
Haha, headlight fluid.. :D i have to admit, he got me that time.. :D i was like, wtf, they in America have some fluid in their headlights or what? :'D
I'm allergic to it. Makes me break out in Hives
That was so awesome, I love to see the work behind making such cool hardware!
It just amazes me that people can engineer stuff like this. There's so much complexity and detail!
Have you ever put toast in it? Umm you put TOAST in your mouth... and you put BREAD through the machine! XD
But what if you toast your toast? Toast-ception?
Or just a mess?
yeah but I want it extra toasty for the ladies
Nathan Boody dust
Apparently OP hasn't heard of the reheat mode
Omg there in nj
* He's
*they're
They're
RoyaltonDrummer922 Lmao why did your comment get more upvotes than mine?
*they're
Out of all videos on UA-cam, this one probably shows the most amazing technology and brainpower.
Great tour.
His pocket protector pen holder is magnificent!
"Knobs."
~ Gavin Free, 2016
I've never been more interested in something that I'm not particularly interested in.
Very impressive stuff. Thanks for the video, Gav.
Beautiful, just beatiful...
Guess I can just make my own now.
You need to make a video on how you edit the videos
Thank you for the tour. This really makes me respect your lighting in your other videos. You have a good eye for it.
"Wet and ready to receive"
Same