Clearly, the author of this brief presentation does not believe. As with most of life's important questions, it is a matter of faith. I believe the "Relief Mine" is an authentic venture, as is the Book of Mormon itself: the greater fulfillment reserved after the trial of the Gentile Saints. There is much more history about both the early support & later opposition by the Church, as Bishop Koyle made many exact 'prophecies' that came to pass while then current church leadership were 'contradicted' or 'shown-up' by their fulfilment. D&C 111 is connected to this mine, otherwise being an odd event. And yes, I am a shareholder since late 1970's, & an active LDS temple attender, though this Mine story is almost universally unknown. Perhaps this video will pique some interest?
I don't believe in it. Ogden Kraut's and Norman Pierce's books both tell very tall tales of predictions made by Koyle that they heard second, third or fourth hand from friends of friends of friends that I find very difficult to buy. Few predictions were uttered directly *to* them, and the predictions that "came true" only did so when the alleged predictions were generously loosened. Such as "The upper workings of the mine will be the first to produce." They "produced first" when a floatation/reduction process salesperson came through and presented them with their gold reduction process, in which the salesman planted selenium into the limestone and quartzite "ore" in a predetermined location from the upper workings and processed it. They then repurchased the concentrated selenium from the Koyle Mining Company for $103. That's the one load of ore that was processed, which I discussed in the video. Pierce and Kraut BOTH credited this event as "the upper workings producing first". Can it really be a prophecy if it's a guided demonstration? The salesmen were told which rock from the mine to process, so it became a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy. Both authors claimed that Koyle was instructed never to write anything down, which conveniently opens the door to retroactive "predictions" heard once again from a friend, of a friend, of a friend. Reading many of Koyle's alleged prophecies all scream "retroactive revelation", to me. The way they're "written" seems to be as follows: 1.) Event Happens. 2.) Koyle or a Dream Miner hear about it. 3.) Dream Miner supposes "hey, I think Koyle said something about this at one point or another. 4.) The specifics are hashed out after the fact to attempt to add credit to the claim. There's no documentation or journaling to refer to from Koyle because he never wrote anything down, which means there's zero recorded evidence of any of his predictions coming to fruition, and allows "prophecies" to change. Which means this entire story is anecdote, and shaky *at best*. The only way I'm believing in this Mine is if I'm given the opportunity to inspect the working faces of the mine, and see the alleged "capstone" for myself, which I personally believe is a plutonic batholith from 29million year old igneous intrusions that uplifted the Wasatch Range during the Sevier Orogeny. That or it's made up entirely, to excuse that the mine ran out of money, motivation, or both, to continue working the mine. I'm glad you have something to believe in. But once again, for me, I'll believe it when I see it.
When I was in my early 30's my Dad started talking about this mine, he believed in this whole story and my step mom had her ashes spread out near this place. Belief is a resilient thing as it can survive mounting opposing evidences, contradictions and obstacles and failures. Believers easily dismiss all the critics, because to them hope feels better and is a virtue, as it must be true. This dream mine is what is called "the sunk cost fallacy" in action. Some people double down and believe even more when prophecies fail, It is a strange phenomenon, but one that is easily taken advantage of by visionaries. Excellent video!
Your parents are spot on it sounds like. Sounds like you may need a little more faith. I have studied this a lot and koyle has been spot on. It looks like the mine is about to come in, he talks about someone like trump.and the weather years he described are spot on. I would not be surprised to see it come in in next 3 years
You are absolutely correct. This is why so many people stay in the Mormon church. They've invested all this time and money. It's easier just to keep wanting to believe even though they know it's not real. Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a thing.
@@brianfolsen1919 I am sad to hear the gospel doesnt work for you. But it does for me. I have had a brother who died that my dad gave a blessing to and raised him from dead after being dead for 10 minutes in the hospital. I had a brother who at point blank range had his eye shot out and rupture into a lump of nothing. Who after i gave him a blessing instantly had his eye healed and now has 20/20 in a eye that he once had to wear contacts for. I have had many very special spiritual experiences where the Lord has shown me thing very similar to what Koyle has seen. Oh by the way most of his prophecies have all been fulfilled. So you can call that that cognitive dissonance if you like, but i bet you the brother who once was dead and now lives would disagree, and the brother who was blind and without an eye for 20 minutes and now totally healed will disagree as well. I could go on and on to each their own. But those who choose to have faith the fruit will always follow. Wish you the best. Just saying it sounds like you had a great parents.
I'VE BOUGHT 7 SHARES. ONE FOR EACH OF MY CHILDREN. SIMPLY AS A HISTORICAL INVESTMENT. ITS ALL HOGWASH, BUT IT PROVIDES ME A WAY TO ATTEND EVERY ANNUAL MEETING THE SECOND MONDAY IN MAY. I NEVER MISS THESE MEETINGS.
@@rubynelson7709 I live just on the west end of town by the freeway. Used to be a few miles to town through pastures. Now we're getting townhomes in my back yard.
@mountainmikeoutdoors Unfortunately, the world is pouring into Utah, especially along the Wasatch front. I remember when half the states population used to go on the Utah holiday called "The Deer Hunt." Folks pouring in think burger comes from the grocery store.
@@-.Stevenyou realize the population of the world is increasing exponentially. That's the problem. There are too many people. Not enough resources. We've passed the tipping point.
It's been 35 years now that 2 friends and I went exploring on that mountain. We were immediately stopped but In explaining our curiosity, we were walked up and toured with explaining story matching most of your story. He was cordial bit we were strictly instructed to not come back
I have heard this story many times during my life from my family and I think it is fascinating and quite possibly true. I also have some stock in the mine passed down from my father who worked to earn the stock. If the prophecy comes to pass, I would guess the time will be soon as we are being told to prepare for the second coming now. Thank you for this presentation!
If the US dollar becomes worthless and a gold standard is adopted internationally, the mine's gold (if real) could provide a great benefit to Salem, to Utah and to the CoJCoLDS.
Great video. I Have been on the mountain numerous times around and near the mine. Absolutely beautiful mountain as is the city of Salem itself (not to mention the surrounding towns like Elk Ridge and Woodland Hills). I personally do not believe there is anything of value inside the mountain coming from valuable ore or minted Nephite golden coins, but I can appreciate other people's hope in ongoing personal revelation.
I remember as a kid going to the orchards on the property every fall to pick bushels and bushels grapes, pears and apples. My mother told us the story of the mine’s history, but I learned from this video several details I’d never heard before.
@@lornabaker4039 Ogden Kraut and Norman Pierce both wrote very detailed books about the subject. I recommend reading them. Whether you believe the story or not they're both interesting reads and the story is fascinating.
My grandfather had stock in this. My father got letters about transferring stock to him, but my Dad had no interest in it. He said that it did not follow the proper chain of command. Basically, since Koyle was just a random Bishop and not the President of the church that this was likely a false revelation. A story dreamed up by a man who had exceeded his authority. He would likey agree with James E Talmage. There is likely nothing of great worth in that mountain. Also, for the church to need the gold, it would need to incur debt. The church has no debt and is flush with cash from tithing and other donations. Unless the church changes its financial policy, the church will never need the gold from the so called relief mine.
Just like all the stories that have been dreamed up from Joseph Smith all the way down the line. Hal Joseph had three or four different first visions. Joseph Fielding Smith covered it up. The church has been hiding its history for a long time. Thankfully with the internet the truth has come out. Unfortunately the church tells the cult members that they may not read any material outside of church literature. Thus, controlling the narrative.
I have been familiar with this story for 60 years. Bishop John Koyle, Jr. was excommunicated from the CoJCoLDS by my cousin, the Stake President, pursuant to instructions from the 1st Presidency. Over half of Koyle's predictions have come true. The major ones still ahead include the prediction that US Dollars will be come worthless and that the Quorum of the 12 Apostles will be divided 6 and 6, making the Church unable to move ahead. Most of the money for the mine was raised from selling stock in the mine during the 1920s, which ended with the Stock Market Crash. The mine owners have paid for 24-hour security of the mine property since the project closed down in 1937. Can you imagine how much they have paid and continue to pay? We are not required to believe any of this, but clearly many of the prophesies are already fulfilled. It would not surprise me either way whether or not the rest are ever fulfilled. It is not something any of us has control over.
It is interesting to note that when John Kolye was digging this mine with the help of all those who believed in his visions the LDS Church was not a wealthy church by any means. They however are now! Worth as much as $150 billion. So if true, the visions John Koyke claimed to have which lead to the creation of the dream mine it becomes prudent to ask why? Why would it be necessary now, especially with all the wealth the Church now has at its disposal? Here is my answer. Perhaps the day will come when the Church will no longer have the wealth it has now and will be unable to help the world ii it's time of need. Perhaps, if and when that day comes the dream or relief mine will be reopened to fulfill its original purpose: To provide relief to all of those who will be desperately in need!
@@almatheson3478 I didn't say it was in southern Utah. I said it's in the southern Utah valley just east of Utah Lake. I'm curious what makes you think my research is poor? All of my information comes from two authors that knew Koyle personally. I'm not a proponent of the mine. I'm just telling the story.
The brass plates Nephi got from Laban's treasury, were not the plates given to Joseph Smith on September 22nd 1827. The plates that were given to Joseph Smith that day by the angel Maroni are the gold plates that were an abridgment of the records of the people of Nephi by Maroni's father, Mormon. We know the plates Koyal claimed were in a mine in Southern Utah are not there, because the resurrected Maroni as an angel showed Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdry all of the records and the sword of Laban in a room built by Mormon, that had all the records of the Nephites, with the sword of Laban, etc. in the hill Cumorah in upstate NY. The plates were moved by the angel Maroni after the witness. In 2009 a verification of the witness by Oliver Cowdry and Joseph Smith of the plates of Nephi in a room in the hill Cumorah in upstate NY was realized when a young boy who came up missing on the hill Cumorah was found in the entrance of a room with ancient looking bricks supporting the walls. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints quickly sealed the room with a metal plate.
Reminds me of the legend of the Caleb Rhoades mines. It is fact that the Spanish were in Utah mining gold, or rather the native slaves held by the Spanish were doing all the mining. And I've heard that as late as the very early 20th century the Spanish were hauling gold out of the Uintas in long mule-trains through what is now Spanish Fork and on down to Mexico. And funny enough, just today I heard a man say that Brigham Young said, while looking into City Creek Canyon, "I see more gold than anywhere in the world." Never heard that before.
@@-.Steven there's many folk tales out here I want to cover, such as the lost Rhoades mine. That one's a big one on my list. Unfortunately the Uintas are 90% Oolite, limestone , slate, shale and quartzite. All sedimentary in nature with few igneous intrusions that would carry any sort of lode gold. That mountain range formed from rifting and deposition of marine and lacustrian materials. It's miles and miles of fossils, and little ore. The only way you're getting gold out of those mountains is if you dig miles deep into the granite bedrock below the mountains, and even then there's little guarantee you'll find it. There's always a chance of a placer deposit from eroded pre-existing lodes but it's doubtful. I've spent a lot of time panning and prospecting those mountains and didn't really find much worth working for.
@@mountainmikeoutdoorssounds to me like you don’t know what you’re doing. I’ve got friends that pulled massive nuggets out of streams in the Uintas, and found heaps of old Spanish artifacts and even a cannon up there.
@@jdawg6558 Myths don't have the Holy Ghost testifying to people all over the world that the Book of Mormon is true scripture. That includes people for instance that just find the Book of Mormon laying on top of a container w/o the cover and then the person who is a priest that found the Book of Mormon reads it and then pray about it and that priest has the confirmation from the Holy Ghost that the Book of Mormon is true scripture. That person spends a lot of years preaching from the Book of Mormon before he even finds out what the book is titled. Then after he finds out he finds out how to join the Church because he is convinced of the divine source of the Book of Mormon. Then there's scholar who is not a member who was asked to translate the Book of Mormon into South African(????) and she discovers that the Book of Mormon text shows ancient Egyptian and Ancient Hebrew origins. "Myths" don't have that happen to them.
Remember this was built to access the Mine on the other side of the mountain. That had already been mined by those how have come before use. So there would be no gold on this side of the mountain.
@@wade9171 there's no gold in the mountain in general. Wrong depositional environment for that. Limestone and quartzite don't tend to carry much gold, unless there's significant cross cutting form igneous intrusions. The only way you're getting gold out of this mountain is if you blast into the granite batholith below. Even then, the chances of gold veins are slim to none.
@@mountainmikeoutdoors But to get through the batholith, you would need to open the Chamber of Thecretth and that would involve way too much parthel-tongue. And there isn't a Thlitherin with that talent in North America.
You mean the Mormon church😂 you do realize they spent millions of your tithing dollars trying to tell the entire world that they were in fact Mormons. DNA evidence proves the church is not true. Stupid assertions are not evidence of anything. Everything the church says has been proven to be fake and a extremely dumb lie to tell because we can verify and test these things😂. The leaders are money-grubbing liars. How stupid do you have to be to think that when Jesus Christ returns he's going to need your US dollars😂😂😂 Mormons are so stupid.
I thnk it is Grt & hav heard the mountain shifted sum,& sort of mis located possibly the main gold vain,I thnk it is neat,& thank for the further explanation of it
The treasure is in the precious metals hidden and stored there anciently for the end times. There is little to none ore wortb mining ( or it would have been found). Its a wait and see situation. The Church with its investment department has been very successful to where the treasure may not be needed. Very interesting ...
It’s been stated by more than one LDS people that there is enough gold in the Northern Utah mountains to pave a road from SLC to NYC. That is a lot of gold .
I had family in Utah and Sanpete counties. One brother invested the company’s retirement funds in Dream Mine stock. It was worthless. Sadly, they were driving school buses, delivering mail and other menial tasks into their 70’s and 80’s. If it sounds too good to be true……
It might someday "come in" or maybe never will. Even though, I know Koyle lived an honest life and worked hard always, to obey the Lord and provide for his family. I question the motive of excommunicating a sick 83 years old man soon before his death. The mine matters little until the Lord needs it and the excommunication matters little because Mr. Koyle was dealt with directly by Jesus Christ.
The way it works is that God speaks to His called to be prophets of His Church ( Aka Joseph Smith Jr., Brigham Young, etc. ...)... Prophets for revelations concerning His Church.
I wouldn't call conning people into buying stock in a worthless mine honest. And to believe that God, the create of the universe might need a mine is just silly.
It may seem silly to some but is that often not the case when people chose to follow their faith? Believing in the Bible is silly to some and believing that Joseph Smith was actually a true prophet of God is considered silly by many more than some. But does it being silly to the multitudes make it any less true to the believers? Nay! I have studied much about John Koyle and his dream mine since I first heard about it some 25 years ago. What I learned was John Koyle was a very honest and humble man who had a very strong testimony in his LDS faith. He was even once a Bishop. But he put his membership on the line to do something he claimed that God, through an Angel commanded him to do. He kept that faith even though it eventually cost him that membership in Jesus Christ restored Church. I personally think that mighty noteworthy. It is also mighty noteworthy that he was able to get mined and built what he did through the entirety of his adult life. In fact, most of the work on the dream mine was accomplished during the years of the Great Depression. So go ahead and call it silly. It will be interesting to see what time ultimately shows and proves? Who then will be truly the silliest? The non-believer or the believer?
@ There were former General authorities and at least some that were in the 1st presidency that claimed visions that turned out to not be true. So, dropping a "calling" as if that makes his claims "more true" doesn't cut it. I'm sure that his claims started out with great intentions but, he claimed a vision that involved the "salvation" for the entire the Church. His "dream" has members investing money in stock with the promise that that mine will someday save the Church. Tithing and sound investing principles have brought the Church wealth that the anti-s are claiming shouldn't be acquired in such large amounts by the Church
You need to purchase a subscription on the relief mine website to access the stock market and gain access to sellers. Website is in the description under references. It costs $9 a month. I feel like I'm promoting their product right now even though I don't believe a lick of it
I was told it would never open until the US dollar was no more… gold would have to return to a value around $21.00 an ounce. This would have to happen so the US Government would not take a 50% tax. This is the case on all mining companies today…. So we wait and wait and wait… I personally think it’ll open within the next short few years.
The Restored Church holds the necessary priesthood keys that Jesus Christ gave to His Apostles and Prophets that through the authorized ordinances performed in the Church by authorized priesthood holders makes salvation possible. Paul lays it out that the "Body of Christ" is THE Church that Jesus left behind ( But through Apostasy it was lost...) on earth. The "Biblical" text doesn't give anyone who doesn't hold the true priesthood the authority to act in God's Name even though Catholics ( To a lesser extent...) and Protestants will claim otherwise. I'm just "guessing" that the people that believe like you obviously want to think that Jesus allows that 30,000+ different churches who preach 30,000+_ different variations of the "one gospel" "Biblical" truth as compared to that one Church that Jesus Christ vested His authority into as described in "Ephesians 4 : 4 **There is one body and one Spirit,** just as you were **called to one hope when you were called;** 5 **one Lord, one faith, one baptism;** 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all." That THE Church that Jesus left on the earth ...." The 30,000 plus different churches with the 30,000 plus different variations are the one koom bye yah "Body of Christ" nit they onviously aren't the ONE Church that Jesus Left behind when He ascended to Heaven!!!!
You also need to look out and realize that the Lord says beware of false prophet.And I believe that Joseph Smith is a false prophet and I believe the church of Jesus Christ.Of latter day saints is a false prophet church
@@robertmiddleton1227 The 2nd Coming won't happen w/o the Falling Away happening first.... 2 Thessalonians 2 : 1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.**3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first,** and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition Lots of Protestants claim that that Falling Away hasn't happened yet and it won't happen until just before the 2nd Coming BUT , WHY are they Protestants if the Falling away hasn't already happened?????? Otherwise they'd all be Catholics instead of being Protestants because the Reformers couldn't reform the RCC and so they Protested the RCC by leaving the RCC to form their own churches!!!!!!
@@robertmiddleton1227 I'm not offended at all by your beliefs... However I've "looked out" and thus I've PRAYED to get spiritual confirmation through the Holy Ghost to get a testimony that Joseph Smith is a true prophet of God and that the Church is God's true Church and that the Church is still being led by a true prophet of God to this day. You've most likely gotten those beliefs of yours from a preacher that preaches that there can't be any more prophets sent by God and that koom bye yah every church that is "Orthodox" belongs to the "Body of Christ" and that despite their different dogmas the differing churches are just different parts of the "Body of Christ" no matter how many different ways that the 30,000 plus churches preach the "gospel" as they see it!!!!.
@@robca6013 well, I can see that you don't understand what you're talking about. Joseph Smith is not a false prophet and the mormon church is nothing but a money hungry. For using organization that has the level of money, which is the biggest thing you could ever commit, so you're okay with them? Having the level of money? That's the biggest s*** in the world.
"I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the flame of Anor. You cannot pass. The dark fire will not avail you, flame of Udûn. Go back to the Shadow!" -John Koyle Jr, probably. No wonder it's locked up.
I can't imagine the Church would have any need given its vast wealth. So I don't think the vision makes sense. But I think it would be great to own some stock, especially the original stock.
@@goodtoGoNow1956 someone close to me owns some relief Mine stock. They let me scan it and use it in this video provided I redacted the name and stock number. I'd love to own some just to say I own it, but it's not worth much to me except for the historical value.
They wanted the mill close to the mine entrance, which was up high on the hill. The mine entrance is near level with the top of the mill. The mill would be powered by flowing water and gravity. Ore would be deposited into a crusher, run across a shaker to separate denser material, run through sluices to trap denser metals, then run through a roaster to clean and dry the ores. The clean and dried ore would then make its way into a hydrolysis tank, where an anode absorbs impurities and electrical current deposits pure metals onto a cathode for concentration. The cathode is removed, and the metals are stripped either mechanically or with acids, smelted, minted into bars, and shipped. At least that's the theory, but this mine never really produced much and the mill never saw any gold. Only selenium. All of this would happen from top-to-bottom, and gravity would be the driver.
This reference says otherwise. Young, Brigham (June 17, 1877), "Trying to Be Saints - Treasures of the Everlasting Hills - The Hill Cumorah - Obedience to True Principle the Key to Knowledge - All Enjoyment Comes from God - Organization - Duties of Officers - Final Results", in Evans, D.W.; Gibbs, Geo. F. (eds.), Journal of Discourses by Brigham Young, His Two Counselors, and the Twelve Apostles, vol. 19, Liverpool: William Budge (published 1878), pp. 36-45.
Believe what ever gives you hope. There’s something.. but do I believe it has anything to do with a cult? No. And before you brand me a heretic, former Mormon here.
Moroni was not "legend" or "folklore" to the people who believe in the origins of the Book of Mormon & are practicing members of the restored church of Jesus Christ. It's rude to use phrases like that. You could say "practicing "Mormons" or members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints BELIEVE Moroni to be a prophet of God. That would show respect for others' beliefs without espousing those beliefs yourself. Your whole video has a dismissive, rude tone to it, said with a chuckle in your voice. No subscriber here. But thanks for what information you did impart.
😂😅 This story fits so well with Mormon history and lore. Visions of grandeur, money, power and wivessss, lol. Joseph Smith was a con man that was constantly on the run from the law. Had to have bodyguards/hitman that eventually morphed in to the Danites. Brigham Young was a brutal man, that genocided the indigenous people and stole the land. Then he used those same Danites to inflict and enforce blood atonement(even Yeshua's blood couldn't help these people). Joseph would be proud of the of the 501c3 tax exempt, criminal property management corporation, masquerading as a religion that he created. The Mormon church is nothing more than a multi-level, spiritual marketing company. Yeah gotta pay to play, lol.
@mountainmikeoutdoors then you know that many of the artifacts you mention possibly being in this mine are actually kept in the church vaults in cottonwood canyon? And if so, why perpetuate obviously faults narratives?
I didn't say these relics are possibly in the mine. I said that John Koyle Jr and his dream miners *claimed* these relics were in the mine. Very different things. I've been inside the Granite Mountain Records Storage facility. It's just rows, and rows, and rows of filing cabinets full of microfilms and hard drives. Plenty of records. There are no swords, golden plates or seer stones there. It's exclusively a records vault built to protect microfilms and hard drives from universal background radiation damage, and it's not the only records vault in that canyon. Any relics in the LDS Churches possession are kept at the LDS Church Museum in Salt Lake City which is curated by the Church History Department. The Church makes no claims of possessing the Sword of Laban, the Golden Plates, Breastplate or the Urim and Thummim allegedly returned to the hill Cumorah in Manchester. They have possession of the seer stone that Joseph Smith kept on his person that he claimed he used to translate the Book of Mormon looking into a hat. I'm not perpetuating false narratives. I'm retelling an interesting story about the Dream Mine that I don't believe in, but I'm still fascinated by. Don't confuse me for someone who's uneducated on this topic, because you'll be sorely mistaken. My research is sound, and I'm extremely confident in its accuracy. You're confused about what you think you know, but have placed yourself out of your own depth here.
@mountainmikeoutdoors you do say it is just one man's claim, and not nessisary fact, but you don't make it clear you don't believe it. Why perpetuate a clearly faults narrative, especially if you don't believe it? This is how stupid crazy rumors start. Like how I've heard many people claim there are sacred artifacts in the church vaults up cottonwood canyon; which maybe isn't true, or maybe you just weren't shown everything in them. I haven't been in them, but I've been in the commercially operated ones a little further up the canyon.
First of all, it's completely clear that I don't believe in this story. Especially if you stick around to the end when I explicitly say "I'll believe it when I see it." Saying "this is what he said but I don't believe it" is horrendous storytelling and kills the interest from viewers/readers. I'm here to share interesting stories, not my own opinions. Second, I am not perpetuating a false narrative. I am not a proponent of the mine. I am not selling mine shares. I am not telling people to go out and buy shares. I am sharing an interesting story that has been told and recounted for over 100 years now by people I know. I'm reiterating local folklore, because local folklore is also valuable history to me. There are entire history departments dedicated to myths, folklore, urban legends and other adjacent topics. I am sharing the legacy of that folklore, here, for entertainment purposes. If you believe that somehow perpetuates some ulterior agenda then that's exclusively a "you" problem. Third, this isn't how crazy rumors "start". This is how they "spread". This is an interesting story that I find fascinating, thus I will share this story however I please. The rumor and story itself has existed for a century, and I'm not the first to talk about it. I'm just the first to put so much effort into production. Fourth, the LDS church's official position on the possession of the artifacts mentioned in this video is "No, we don't have them.". You should probably look into that *first* before you start buying into rumors of secret sacred relics stored in man made cave facilities. This is the last response I'll be entertaining you with. Find less silly hills to die on.
MORMONS MISINTERPRETATION OF EZEKIEL 37 "STICK OF JOSEPH AND STICK OF JUDAH." You assume that the "Stick of Judah" is the Bible, while the "Stick of Joseph" is the Book of Mormon. In the latter days, the two have been joined together, forming the bulk of Mormon scripture. Mormonism's literal interpretation of scripture does not extend to hundreds of passages it rejects as corrupted or that it skews to suit its own purposes. In the case of Ezekiel 37, Mormons not only neglect the plain sense of the words, but also ignore there true interpretation, given by God-in the very same chapter. First, the Hebrew term translated as "stick" (aits) is never use anywhere in the Old Testament to mean "Book," "scroll", "writing", or anything similar. It is variously translated as "wood", or "branch", "timber", or "tree." Needless to say, the Book of Mormon allegedly written on metal plates, not scrolls or sticks. Second, the correct interpretation of this symbolic action of the prophet is given just a few verses later. Ezekiel is to take the two sticks, put them end to end and hold the joined ends in his hand. He thus displays to the people a "single" stick, once again united. This is to show that the scattered remnants of the southern kingdom ("Judah ") and northern kingdom of Israel ("Joseph") will be returned from exile, restored to their land, and made one nation again. "They shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all" (Ezekiel 37:22). With Divine impetus, Ezekiel first spoke of this parable of redemption then enacted it. Only Mormonism can manage to mistake "timber" for "scrolls" and "nations" for "metal plates." As the text makes clear, this is a prophecy of national reunification, not about the appearance of hidden scriptures.
False prophecies from the that moroni angel. Smithsonian says not one shred of archeology found,to back up the bom. Unlike the holy Bible they actually use as a guide, there has been so much found
@@jwinfrey6298 yeah the Smithsonian that supposed historical museum founded by Joseph Smith haters. That comment of yours sounded so ignorant! you know for a fact that very little archaeology has been done in the Americas in fact, less than half a percent of all archaeological sites have been excavated. Coincidence? But if you just use your eyeballs, you can see that there are pyramids in temples in middle America and ruins of civilizations all across northern South America I wonder if those civilizations might have anything to do with the book Mormon peoples? At the very least they prove that there were great civilizations in America, which is also a claim that the book of Mormon makes and Joseph Smith wrote it back before we even knew about 99% of those sites. Come on now let’s use our brains that idea that archaeology doesn’t stand up Has died a quick death a long time ago. come up with something original that would be great.
Obviously you have your “facts” wrong. Every time Joseph Smith was accused of conning neighbors he was found not guilty by five different judges, but you don’t care, made up stories are more fun.
@@jwinfrey6298Fine, here we go: Evidence? Okay. here is a little bit of BoM evidence right here for all haters to see: Hopewell mounds, full of ancient, out of place artifacts, including breastplates, swords, (an) engraven stone(s), etc. One of these mounds actually had two Hebraic symbols built into the architecture, but was plowed to the ground for some reason. Rather suspiciously, it was the only one that got razed. Bat Creek Stone, engraven with Hebraic symbols, denied authenticity by the Smithsonian, and given to the Cherokee under strict condition that it must be displayed upside down to make the Hebraic significance less noticeable and more reminiscent of Cherokee writing. Adena Culture, Giant, unknown origin, skeletons, over 7-8 feet tall. Poverty Point and its mounds; remnants of an unknown ancient civilization. Kennewick Man, with Haplogroup X2a DNA, AKA Hebraic DNA. Hebraic blood in Spirit Cave Mummy. Modern Algonquian tribes containing Haplogroup X DNA. Several caves and burial sites containing Giant skeletons and unique artifacts, origins unknown. Ex. Brewer's cave, etc. Metal sheets found in Brewer's cave. Lidar readings of massive, ancient city foundations in Meso-America. Los Lunas Decalogue Stone, though concluded to be a hoax. Many other symbol-engraven stones of unknown origins(idk about all of them) found across the U.S, though also named a hoax. Actual metal plates found. A Gold Plated Book, info on Shabbat Night Live or The Stick of Joseph YT chan. Many different Hebraisms found within the text. E.G. Chiasmus, an unusual style of Hebrew writing found within The Book of Mormon. A huge diversity in stylometry found within the text. The Book of Moses lining up perfectly with The Books of Enoch; names matching almost flawlessly; apocryphal books of which Joseph Smith TOTALLY had access to. Horse bones dating back to BoM times(though I don't trust dating methods myself.) Over eleven witnesses sworn affidavit to the Book of Mormon's authenticity, each in turn NEVER denying their testimony, some even after leaving the church. Why not reveal all of the lies and fraudulent claims of Joseph Smith after leaving the church? Some were even willing to die for what they believed in. One of the 19 witnesses, Mary Whitmer, was even shown the plates by an angel; Joseph Smith was not even present at the time. It's amazing that Joseph Smith could hypnotize people into believing something without even being in the same location as the person he’s hypnotizing. Messianic symbolism in Mayan culture. Apocryphal Isaiah quoted in the BoM. A what looks like man-made hole found in the hill Cumorah where Joseph Smith received the plates. A place titled NHM in old Hebrew found in Saudi Arabia that matches Nahom from the BoM. Name also found on ancient maps. Gravestones in the land titled Ishmael also match up with the book of Mormon. Wadi Tayyib Al Ism matches The Valley of Lemuel. Khor Khafot matches The Land of Bountiful. Dead Sea Scrolls containing modern, or similar to modern "Mormon" temple rituals. Native American traditions and legends lining up with BoM. An Israelic archaeological site named Beit Lehi, The House of Lehi. Traditions and stories surrounding the site match up with the BoM story of Lehi and his family. Ancient steel bladed swords found in the middle east. Ancient Cement found, as mentioned in the BoM Ezekiel 37 speaking of one Stick of Joseph, going hand in hand with The Stick of Judah(Bible.) Other sheep not of this fold, as spoken by Jesus Christ. Sealed book and uneducated figure spoken of in Isaiah 29. Also in the Bible: Malchiah son of Hemmelech(son of the king,) MLK in Hebrew, matching up with Mulek from the Book of Mormon. Book of Mormon timeline matching up with the Bible. A three year period of famine showing in cavern formation buildup that aligns with the famine of 3rd Nephi. Ancient pollen data shows fluctuations that align with the timber-harvesting timeline in the Book of Mormon. Numerous internal prophecies fulfilled. On a sidenote, the Papyri that was left to test was only a fraction of what was originally there. Secondly, Joseph Smith could have received direct revelation from God, and the Papyri were merely meant as a trial of our faith for all I care. Why do you want me to test my God?? It is the opposite that we as Latter Day Saints desire. I thank you for fulfilling scripture, thereby increasing my testimony of the divinity of the Book of Mormon even further. Thirdly, we learn from the BoM that due to the wickedness of the people, their swords were cursed so that they became slippery and were lost, never to be found again if they were let go. What with the people of the BoM becoming entirely wicked in the end, it only makes sense that a lack of evidence shows in the archaeological record today. Again, fulfilling scripture instead of refuting it. If you say there is no evidence for the Book of Mormon, you're dead wrong. Could you please put forth some evidence AGAINST The Book of Mormon, by chance? Sorry if this has offended anyone. Please, read The Book of Mormon. Learn more about the God and Christ you ALREADY know about. Peace. Stick of J. YT chan. and BOM Central has good evidences content.
The dream mine is nothing but an empty mountain 🏔️. It’s what you call a modern day Ponzy Scheme. Only it’s probably the longest running one in history. There’s nothing in that mountain 🏔️. Now to other mountains in this vast region I would say otherwise.
I had family in Utah and Sanpete counties. One brother invested the company’s retirement funds in Dream Mine stock. It was worthless. Sadly, they were driving school buses, delivering mail and other menial tasks into their 70’s and 80’s. If it sounds too good to be true……
Clearly, the author of this brief presentation does not believe. As with most of life's important questions, it is a matter of faith. I believe the "Relief Mine" is an authentic venture, as is the Book of Mormon itself: the greater fulfillment reserved after the trial of the Gentile Saints. There is much more history about both the early support & later opposition by the Church, as Bishop Koyle made many exact 'prophecies' that came to pass while then current church leadership were 'contradicted' or 'shown-up' by their fulfilment. D&C 111 is connected to this mine, otherwise being an odd event. And yes, I am a shareholder since late 1970's, & an active LDS temple attender, though this Mine story is almost universally unknown. Perhaps this video will pique some interest?
I don't believe in it. Ogden Kraut's and Norman Pierce's books both tell very tall tales of predictions made by Koyle that they heard second, third or fourth hand from friends of friends of friends that I find very difficult to buy. Few predictions were uttered directly *to* them, and the predictions that "came true" only did so when the alleged predictions were generously loosened. Such as "The upper workings of the mine will be the first to produce." They "produced first" when a floatation/reduction process salesperson came through and presented them with their gold reduction process, in which the salesman planted selenium into the limestone and quartzite "ore" in a predetermined location from the upper workings and processed it. They then repurchased the concentrated selenium from the Koyle Mining Company for $103. That's the one load of ore that was processed, which I discussed in the video.
Pierce and Kraut BOTH credited this event as "the upper workings producing first". Can it really be a prophecy if it's a guided demonstration? The salesmen were told which rock from the mine to process, so it became a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy. Both authors claimed that Koyle was instructed never to write anything down, which conveniently opens the door to retroactive "predictions" heard once again from a friend, of a friend, of a friend. Reading many of Koyle's alleged prophecies all scream "retroactive revelation", to me. The way they're "written" seems to be as follows: 1.) Event Happens. 2.) Koyle or a Dream Miner hear about it. 3.) Dream Miner supposes "hey, I think Koyle said something about this at one point or another. 4.) The specifics are hashed out after the fact to attempt to add credit to the claim. There's no documentation or journaling to refer to from Koyle because he never wrote anything down, which means there's zero recorded evidence of any of his predictions coming to fruition, and allows "prophecies" to change. Which means this entire story is anecdote, and shaky *at best*.
The only way I'm believing in this Mine is if I'm given the opportunity to inspect the working faces of the mine, and see the alleged "capstone" for myself, which I personally believe is a plutonic batholith from 29million year old igneous intrusions that uplifted the Wasatch Range during the Sevier Orogeny. That or it's made up entirely, to excuse that the mine ran out of money, motivation, or both, to continue working the mine.
I'm glad you have something to believe in. But once again, for me, I'll believe it when I see it.
@@mountainmikeoutdoors Plutonic Batholith? Igneous? Sevier Orogeny? Salesman? Now you're just making up words.
@@plexi6v6 bold coming from a dude with "plexi" in his name. Only a nerd would do that.
@@mountainmikeoutdoorswhy the nerd hate?
@@jasonjayzon849 he's my dad. Literally.
When I was in my early 30's my Dad started talking about this mine, he believed in this whole story and my step mom had her ashes spread out near this place. Belief is a resilient thing as it can survive mounting opposing evidences, contradictions and obstacles and failures. Believers easily dismiss all the critics, because to them hope feels better and is a virtue, as it must be true. This dream mine is what is called "the sunk cost fallacy" in action. Some people double down and believe even more when prophecies fail, It is a strange phenomenon, but one that is easily taken advantage of by visionaries. Excellent video!
Your parents are spot on it sounds like. Sounds like you may need a little more faith. I have studied this a lot and koyle has been spot on. It looks like the mine is about to come in, he talks about someone like trump.and the weather years he described are spot on. I would not be surprised to see it come in in next 3 years
Good points, well made.
@@chris-mt2hePlease tell me what is spot on?
You are absolutely correct. This is why so many people stay in the Mormon church. They've invested all this time and money. It's easier just to keep wanting to believe even though they know it's not real. Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a thing.
@@brianfolsen1919 I am sad to hear the gospel doesnt work for you. But it does for me. I have had a brother who died that my dad gave a blessing to and raised him from dead after being dead for 10 minutes in the hospital. I had a brother who at point blank range had his eye shot out and rupture into a lump of nothing. Who after i gave him a blessing instantly had his eye healed and now has 20/20 in a eye that he once had to wear contacts for. I have had many very special spiritual experiences where the Lord has shown me thing very similar to what Koyle has seen. Oh by the way most of his prophecies have all been fulfilled. So you can call that that cognitive dissonance if you like, but i bet you the brother who once was dead and now lives would disagree, and the brother who was blind and without an eye for 20 minutes and now totally healed will disagree as well. I could go on and on to each their own. But those who choose to have faith the fruit will always follow. Wish you the best. Just saying it sounds like you had a great parents.
I'VE BOUGHT 7 SHARES. ONE FOR EACH OF MY CHILDREN. SIMPLY AS A HISTORICAL INVESTMENT. ITS ALL HOGWASH, BUT IT PROVIDES ME A WAY TO ATTEND EVERY ANNUAL MEETING THE SECOND MONDAY IN MAY. I NEVER MISS THESE MEETINGS.
Salem is no longer a quaint farming community. Oh how I miss the fields that have been plowed under and covered with mini-mansions.
@@rubynelson7709 I live just on the west end of town by the freeway. Used to be a few miles to town through pastures. Now we're getting townhomes in my back yard.
@mountainmikeoutdoors Unfortunately, the world is pouring into Utah, especially along the Wasatch front. I remember when half the states population used to go on the Utah holiday called "The Deer Hunt." Folks pouring in think burger comes from the grocery store.
I get that. It happens everywhere, sadly. There will be lush fields in the Millennium…tire swings hanging from willow trees. It won’t be long.
@@mountainmikeoutdoorsI know the feeling up North in Tremonton. I was born there in 69.
@@-.Stevenyou realize the population of the world is increasing exponentially. That's the problem. There are too many people. Not enough resources. We've passed the tipping point.
It's been 35 years now that 2 friends and I went exploring on that mountain. We were immediately stopped but In explaining our curiosity, we were walked up and toured with explaining story matching most of your story. He was cordial bit we were strictly instructed to not come back
I have heard this story many times during my life from my family and I think it is fascinating and quite possibly true. I also have some stock in the mine passed down from my father who worked to earn the stock. If the prophecy comes to pass, I would guess the time will be soon as we are being told to prepare for the second coming now.
Thank you for this presentation!
The Church has far more wealth now than this mine could or ever will produce.
If the US dollar becomes worthless and a gold standard is adopted internationally, the mine's
gold (if real) could provide a great benefit to Salem, to Utah and to the CoJCoLDS.
Great video. I Have been on the mountain numerous times around and near the mine. Absolutely beautiful mountain as is the city of Salem itself (not to mention the surrounding towns like Elk Ridge and Woodland Hills). I personally do not believe there is anything of value inside the mountain coming from valuable ore or minted Nephite golden coins, but I can appreciate other people's hope in ongoing personal revelation.
I remember as a kid going to the orchards on the property every fall to pick bushels and bushels grapes, pears and apples. My mother told us the story of the mine’s history, but I learned from this video several details I’d never heard before.
@@lornabaker4039 Ogden Kraut and Norman Pierce both wrote very detailed books about the subject. I recommend reading them. Whether you believe the story or not they're both interesting reads and the story is fascinating.
My grandfather had stock in this. My father got letters about transferring stock to him, but my Dad had no interest in it. He said that it did not follow the proper chain of command. Basically, since Koyle was just a random Bishop and not the President of the church that this was likely a false revelation. A story dreamed up by a man who had exceeded his authority. He would likey agree with James E Talmage. There is likely nothing of great worth in that mountain. Also, for the church to need the gold, it would need to incur debt. The church has no debt and is flush with cash from tithing and other donations. Unless the church changes its financial policy, the church will never need the gold from the so called relief mine.
Just like all the stories that have been dreamed up from Joseph Smith all the way down the line. Hal Joseph had three or four different first visions. Joseph Fielding Smith covered it up. The church has been hiding its history for a long time. Thankfully with the internet the truth has come out. Unfortunately the church tells the cult members that they may not read any material outside of church literature. Thus,
controlling the narrative.
I have been familiar with this story for 60 years. Bishop John Koyle, Jr. was excommunicated from the CoJCoLDS by my cousin, the Stake President, pursuant to instructions from the 1st Presidency. Over half of Koyle's predictions have come true. The major ones still ahead include the prediction that US Dollars will be come worthless and that the Quorum of the 12 Apostles will be divided 6 and 6, making the Church unable to move ahead. Most of the money for the mine was raised from selling stock in the mine during the 1920s, which ended with the Stock Market Crash. The mine owners have paid for 24-hour security of the mine property since the project closed down in 1937. Can you imagine how much they have paid and continue to pay? We are not required to believe any of this, but clearly many of the prophesies are already fulfilled. It would not surprise me either way whether or not the rest are ever fulfilled. It is not something any of us has control over.
I used to live in Salem Utah. Beautiful tiny little town.
I lived on the back mountain.lknew all about the dream mine and I believe it!
It is interesting to note that when John Kolye was digging this mine with the help of all those who believed in his visions the LDS Church was not a wealthy church by any means. They however are now! Worth as much as $150 billion.
So if true, the visions John Koyke claimed to have which lead to the creation of the dream mine it becomes prudent to ask why? Why would it be necessary now, especially with all the wealth the Church now has at its disposal?
Here is my answer.
Perhaps the day will come when the Church will no longer have the wealth it has now and will be unable to help the world ii it's time of need. Perhaps, if and when that day comes the dream or relief mine will be reopened to fulfill its original purpose: To provide relief to all of those who will be desperately in need!
My grandfather had stock in this mine. Will be interesting to find out someday if the vision really was heavenly in origin or not.
SORRY.. but Spanish Fork is...NOT... in Southern Utah!
Poor research, storied myth intermingled with conjecture
@@almatheson3478 I didn't say it was in southern Utah. I said it's in the southern Utah valley just east of Utah Lake.
I'm curious what makes you think my research is poor? All of my information comes from two authors that knew Koyle personally.
I'm not a proponent of the mine. I'm just telling the story.
The brass plates Nephi got from Laban's treasury, were not the plates given to Joseph Smith on September 22nd 1827. The plates that were given to Joseph Smith that day by the angel Maroni are the gold plates that were an abridgment of the records of the people of Nephi by Maroni's father, Mormon.
We know the plates Koyal claimed were in a mine in Southern Utah are not there, because the resurrected Maroni as an angel showed Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdry all of the records and the sword of Laban in a room built by Mormon, that had all the records of the Nephites, with the sword of Laban, etc. in the hill Cumorah in upstate NY. The plates were moved by the angel Maroni after the witness. In 2009 a verification of the witness by Oliver Cowdry and Joseph Smith of the plates of Nephi in a room in the hill Cumorah in upstate NY was realized when a young boy who came up missing on the hill Cumorah was found in the entrance of a room with ancient looking bricks supporting the walls. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints quickly sealed the room with a metal plate.
Right. With so many members leaving, you would think leaders would pull out all the proof they supposedly have.
Reminds me of the legend of the Caleb Rhoades mines. It is fact that the Spanish were in Utah mining gold, or rather the native slaves held by the Spanish were doing all the mining. And I've heard that as late as the very early 20th century the Spanish were hauling gold out of the Uintas in long mule-trains through what is now Spanish Fork and on down to Mexico. And funny enough, just today I heard a man say that Brigham Young said, while looking into City Creek Canyon, "I see more gold than anywhere in the world." Never heard that before.
@@-.Steven there's many folk tales out here I want to cover, such as the lost Rhoades mine. That one's a big one on my list. Unfortunately the Uintas are 90% Oolite, limestone , slate, shale and quartzite. All sedimentary in nature with few igneous intrusions that would carry any sort of lode gold. That mountain range formed from rifting and deposition of marine and lacustrian materials. It's miles and miles of fossils, and little ore.
The only way you're getting gold out of those mountains is if you dig miles deep into the granite bedrock below the mountains, and even then there's little guarantee you'll find it.
There's always a chance of a placer deposit from eroded pre-existing lodes but it's doubtful. I've spent a lot of time panning and prospecting those mountains and didn't really find much worth working for.
@@mountainmikeoutdoorssounds to me like you don’t know what you’re doing. I’ve got friends that pulled massive nuggets out of streams in the Uintas, and found heaps of old Spanish artifacts and even a cannon up there.
You refer to Moroni as a myth. He is FAR from that.
Moroni from the translated by rock in the hat or Moroni from the translated by the Urum and Thumum by the gift and power of god book?
No, he is a myth. By nearly every definition of the word.
@@jdawg6558 Myths don't have the Holy Ghost testifying to people all over the world that the Book of Mormon is true scripture. That includes people for instance that just find the Book of Mormon laying on top of a container w/o the cover and then the person who is a priest that found the Book of Mormon reads it and then pray about it and that priest has the confirmation from the Holy Ghost that the Book of Mormon is true scripture. That person spends a lot of years preaching from the Book of Mormon before he even finds out what the book is titled. Then after he finds out he finds out how to join the Church because he is convinced of the divine source of the Book of Mormon. Then there's scholar who is not a member who was asked to translate the Book of Mormon into South African(????) and she discovers that the Book of Mormon text shows ancient Egyptian and Ancient Hebrew origins. "Myths" don't have that happen to them.
MORONI is a myth! It's was made up by the pedophile who married 14 year Olds and other men's wives...
@@robca6013And I suppose that the Book of Abraham is really the book on Abraham and was translated correctly along with the Kinderhook plates?😂
Remember this was built to access the Mine on the other side of the mountain. That had already been mined by those how have come before use. So there would be no gold on this side of the mountain.
@@wade9171 there's no gold in the mountain in general. Wrong depositional environment for that. Limestone and quartzite don't tend to carry much gold, unless there's significant cross cutting form igneous intrusions. The only way you're getting gold out of this mountain is if you blast into the granite batholith below. Even then, the chances of gold veins are slim to none.
@@mountainmikeoutdoors But to get through the batholith, you would need to open the Chamber of Thecretth and that would involve way too much parthel-tongue. And there isn't a Thlitherin with that talent in North America.
A list of Koyle's fulfilled prophecies, 2 miles long, can be found on the Relief Mine website.
@@samuelonthewall I've read it, and the books by Kraut and Pierce. It's a bunch of hogwash.
THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST, has been restored, back on earth, in this LATTER DAYS.
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@geoffreypalmer2661 You mocking THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS.
@ damn right i am what are you going to do about cry to joseph smith
@geoffreypalmer2661 You're not mocking Prophet JOSEPH SMITH, you're mocking JESUS CHRIST, why i say that, answer is, you're mocking HIS CHURCH.
You mean the Mormon church😂 you do realize they spent millions of your tithing dollars trying to tell the entire world that they were in fact Mormons. DNA evidence proves the church is not true. Stupid assertions are not evidence of anything. Everything the church says has been proven to be fake and a extremely dumb lie to tell because we can verify and test these things😂. The leaders are money-grubbing liars. How stupid do you have to be to think that when Jesus Christ returns he's going to need your US dollars😂😂😂 Mormons are so stupid.
I thnk it is Grt & hav heard the mountain shifted sum,& sort of mis located possibly the main gold vain,I thnk it is neat,& thank for the further explanation of it
Thanks 🤠👍🏻I enjoyed this interesting story.
Well done video. Enjoyed it.
@@jonathanwilliams1641 appreciate that!
The treasure is in the precious metals hidden and stored there anciently for the end times. There is little to none ore wortb mining ( or it would have been found). Its a wait and see situation. The Church with its investment department has been very successful to where the treasure may not be needed. Very interesting ...
@@roymadison5686 I guess we'll see
This is the kind of thing the Daybells believed in.
@@alananat6628 as in Chad Daybell? That dude bought this stuff?
It’s been stated by more than one LDS people that there is enough gold in the Northern Utah mountains to pave a road from SLC to NYC. That is a lot of gold .
I had family in Utah and Sanpete counties. One brother invested the company’s retirement funds in Dream Mine stock. It was worthless.
Sadly, they were driving school buses, delivering mail and other menial tasks into their 70’s and 80’s.
If it sounds too good to be true……
How come so many ignorant people like him do podcasts?!?
@@GeorgeDemetz like who?
It will come in when the time is right
The real treasure is the land it sits on!
@@jefflong6918 for real. I looked at it on acre value and it's worth millions.
It might someday "come in" or maybe never will. Even though, I know Koyle lived an honest life and worked hard always, to obey the Lord and provide for his family. I question the motive of excommunicating a sick 83 years old man soon before his death. The mine matters little until the Lord needs it and the excommunication matters little because Mr. Koyle was dealt with directly by Jesus Christ.
The way it works is that God speaks to His called to be prophets of His Church ( Aka Joseph Smith Jr., Brigham Young, etc. ...)... Prophets for revelations concerning His Church.
I wouldn't call conning people into buying stock in a worthless mine honest. And to believe that God, the create of the universe might need a mine is just silly.
It may seem silly to some but is that often not the case when people chose to follow their faith?
Believing in the Bible is silly to some and believing that Joseph Smith was actually a true prophet of God is considered silly by many more than some.
But does it being silly to the multitudes make it any less true to the believers? Nay!
I have studied much about John Koyle and his dream mine since I first heard about it some 25 years ago. What I learned was John Koyle was a very honest and humble man who had a very strong testimony in his LDS faith. He was even once a Bishop.
But he put his membership on the line to do something he claimed that God, through an Angel commanded him to do. He kept that faith even though it eventually cost him that membership in Jesus Christ restored Church.
I personally think that mighty noteworthy. It is also mighty noteworthy that he was able to get mined and built what he did through the entirety of his adult life. In fact, most of the work on the dream mine was accomplished during the years of the Great Depression.
So go ahead and call it silly. It will be interesting to see what time ultimately shows and proves? Who then will be truly the silliest? The non-believer or the believer?
@ There were former General authorities and at least some that were in the 1st presidency that claimed visions that turned out to not be true. So, dropping a "calling" as if that makes his claims "more true" doesn't cut it. I'm sure that his claims started out with great intentions but, he claimed a vision that involved the "salvation" for the entire the Church.
His "dream" has members investing money in stock with the promise that that mine will someday save the Church. Tithing and sound investing principles have brought the Church wealth that the anti-s are claiming shouldn't be acquired in such large amounts by the Church
The world is full of gullible people who have faith in things not seen that are also not true. "A fool and his money are soon parted".
How does one buy stock in the relief mine?
You need to purchase a subscription on the relief mine website to access the stock market and gain access to sellers. Website is in the description under references. It costs $9 a month. I feel like I'm promoting their product right now even though I don't believe a lick of it
The Devil can appear to everyone and Present a Cunning Work ..
Who is credited with the painting of Jesus at 4:53?
@@reedjensen4355 that would be Harry Anderson and the LDS Primary manuals, good catch. I'll add credit to that once I'm back at my PC. Thanks!
I was told it would never open until the US dollar was no more… gold would have to return to a value around $21.00 an ounce. This would have to happen so the US Government would not take a 50% tax. This is the case on all mining companies today…. So we wait and wait and wait… I personally think it’ll open within the next short few years.
@@stanwood00 it probably never will open. Wrong environment for gold.
The Savior Saves not the Church unless you believe like me, the True Authorized restored Church is Christ.
The Restored Church holds the necessary priesthood keys that Jesus Christ gave to His Apostles and Prophets that through the authorized ordinances performed in the Church by authorized priesthood holders makes salvation possible. Paul lays it out that the "Body of Christ" is THE Church that Jesus left behind ( But through Apostasy it was lost...) on earth.
The "Biblical" text doesn't give anyone who doesn't hold the true priesthood the authority to act in God's Name even though Catholics ( To a lesser extent...) and Protestants will claim otherwise.
I'm just "guessing" that the people that believe like you obviously want to think that Jesus allows that 30,000+ different churches who preach 30,000+_ different variations of the "one gospel" "Biblical" truth as compared to that one Church that Jesus Christ vested His authority into as described in "Ephesians 4 : 4 **There is one body and one Spirit,** just as you were **called to one hope when you were called;** 5 **one Lord, one faith, one baptism;** 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all." That THE Church that Jesus left on the earth ...."
The 30,000 plus different churches with the 30,000 plus different variations are the one koom bye yah "Body of Christ" nit they onviously aren't the ONE Church that Jesus Left behind when He ascended to Heaven!!!!
You also need to look out and realize that the Lord says beware of false prophet.And I believe that Joseph Smith is a false prophet and I believe the church of Jesus Christ.Of latter day saints is a false prophet church
@@robertmiddleton1227 The 2nd Coming won't happen w/o the Falling Away happening first....
2 Thessalonians 2 : 1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.**3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first,** and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition
Lots of Protestants claim that that Falling Away hasn't happened yet and it won't happen until just before the 2nd Coming BUT , WHY are they Protestants if the Falling away hasn't already happened?????? Otherwise they'd all be Catholics instead of being Protestants because the Reformers couldn't reform the RCC and so they Protested the RCC by leaving the RCC to form their own churches!!!!!!
@@robertmiddleton1227 I'm not offended at all by your beliefs...
However I've "looked out" and thus I've PRAYED to get spiritual confirmation through the Holy Ghost to get a testimony that Joseph Smith is a true prophet of God and that the Church is God's true Church and that the Church is still being led by a true prophet of God to this day.
You've most likely gotten those beliefs of yours from a preacher that preaches that there can't be any more prophets sent by God and that koom bye yah every church that is "Orthodox" belongs to the "Body of Christ" and that despite their different dogmas the differing churches are just different parts of the "Body of Christ" no matter how many different ways that the 30,000 plus churches preach the "gospel" as they see it!!!!.
@@robca6013 well, I can see that you don't understand what you're talking about. Joseph Smith is not a false prophet and the mormon church is nothing but a money hungry. For using organization that has the level of money, which is the biggest thing you could ever commit, so you're okay with them? Having the level of money? That's the biggest s*** in the world.
So that is what that white building is. Never knew it was related to kolyle. Interesting.
If the riches come in will the owners and holders really give it to the church to save it as the church is already circling the drain.
They need to be careful not to get too greedy and dig too deep or they'll awaken a balrog.
"I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the flame of Anor. You cannot pass. The dark fire will not avail you, flame of Udûn. Go back to the Shadow!"
-John Koyle Jr, probably. No wonder it's locked up.
@@mountainmikeoutdoors You call yourself a nerd? You probably don't even know what Udûn refers to in Latter-Day Saint theology.
I have stock in the mine. Ive met norman Pierce.
I'll sell you some stock in my mine. You can venmo me.
I can't imagine the Church would have any need given its vast wealth. So I don't think the vision makes sense. But I think it would be great to own some stock, especially the original stock.
@@goodtoGoNow1956 someone close to me owns some relief Mine stock. They let me scan it and use it in this video provided I redacted the name and stock number. I'd love to own some just to say I own it, but it's not worth much to me except for the historical value.
If the treasure is found will that mean the end of tithing? Yeah, right! 😂😂😂
I know the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the true church of Jesus Christ on earth today. Ask Jesus Christ for yourself.
H E Davis had the real dream mine, just down the hill. His gravel pit made millions 😂😂😂
Mormon church to the Dream Mine believers-- Now don't you go believing in that con job. We testify that we are the one and only true con job.
I find the story most interesting
Why did they build it so high up on the mountain and not at the base of the mountain
They wanted the mill close to the mine entrance, which was up high on the hill. The mine entrance is near level with the top of the mill.
The mill would be powered by flowing water and gravity. Ore would be deposited into a crusher, run across a shaker to separate denser material, run through sluices to trap denser metals, then run through a roaster to clean and dry the ores. The clean and dried ore would then make its way into a hydrolysis tank, where an anode absorbs impurities and electrical current deposits pure metals onto a cathode for concentration. The cathode is removed, and the metals are stripped either mechanically or with acids, smelted, minted into bars, and shipped. At least that's the theory, but this mine never really produced much and the mill never saw any gold. Only selenium.
All of this would happen from top-to-bottom, and gravity would be the driver.
If something sounds too good to be true, you'd be wise to not invest your time and money into it
The Sword of Laban ….was not in the rock vault with the Book of Mormon.
This reference says otherwise.
Young, Brigham (June 17, 1877), "Trying to Be Saints - Treasures of the Everlasting Hills - The Hill Cumorah - Obedience to True Principle the Key to Knowledge - All Enjoyment Comes from God - Organization - Duties of Officers - Final Results", in Evans, D.W.; Gibbs, Geo. F. (eds.), Journal of Discourses by Brigham Young, His Two Counselors, and the Twelve Apostles, vol. 19, Liverpool: William Budge (published 1878), pp. 36-45.
Believe what ever gives you hope. There’s something.. but do I believe it has anything to do with a cult? No. And before you brand me a heretic, former Mormon here.
Moroni was not "legend" or "folklore" to the people who believe in the origins of the Book of Mormon & are practicing members of the restored church of Jesus Christ. It's rude to use phrases like that. You could say "practicing "Mormons" or members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints BELIEVE Moroni to be a prophet of God. That would show respect for others' beliefs without espousing those beliefs yourself. Your whole video has a dismissive, rude tone to it, said with a chuckle in your voice. No subscriber here. But thanks for what information you did impart.
@@nancylowe2692 appreciate the engagement, but I'll manage my platform how I please.
But the mormon Kirk is a Colt and Joseph Smith and everything to do with the book of mormon.Is false prophecy
Looking like the church will not need to be bailed out..
😂😅 This story fits so well with Mormon history and lore. Visions of grandeur, money, power and wivessss, lol. Joseph Smith was a con man that was constantly on the run from the law. Had to have bodyguards/hitman that eventually morphed in to the Danites. Brigham Young was a brutal man, that genocided the indigenous people and stole the land. Then he used those same Danites to inflict and enforce blood atonement(even Yeshua's blood couldn't help these people). Joseph would be proud of the of the 501c3 tax exempt, criminal property management corporation, masquerading as a religion that he created. The Mormon church is nothing more than a multi-level, spiritual marketing company. Yeah gotta pay to play, lol.
I'm bless, born & raised in, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS.
We get it, you were brain washed.
@jdawg6558 Question, r u a former member of, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS?
@jdawg6558 Why did you left THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS?
@@VAATAUSILI4139I am, mission, married in the temple ect... it is 100% a fairy tale...
@@VAATAUSILI4139 yes.
I think you're confusing this mine with the church owned vaults built in Little Cottonwood Canyon where church records and artifacts are keept.
@@SJHollist I'm not but thanks anyways.
@mountainmikeoutdoors then you know that many of the artifacts you mention possibly being in this mine are actually kept in the church vaults in cottonwood canyon? And if so, why perpetuate obviously faults narratives?
I didn't say these relics are possibly in the mine. I said that John Koyle Jr and his dream miners *claimed* these relics were in the mine. Very different things.
I've been inside the Granite Mountain Records Storage facility. It's just rows, and rows, and rows of filing cabinets full of microfilms and hard drives. Plenty of records. There are no swords, golden plates or seer stones there. It's exclusively a records vault built to protect microfilms and hard drives from universal background radiation damage, and it's not the only records vault in that canyon. Any relics in the LDS Churches possession are kept at the LDS Church Museum in Salt Lake City which is curated by the Church History Department. The Church makes no claims of possessing the Sword of Laban, the Golden Plates, Breastplate or the Urim and Thummim allegedly returned to the hill Cumorah in Manchester. They have possession of the seer stone that Joseph Smith kept on his person that he claimed he used to translate the Book of Mormon looking into a hat.
I'm not perpetuating false narratives. I'm retelling an interesting story about the Dream Mine that I don't believe in, but I'm still fascinated by. Don't confuse me for someone who's uneducated on this topic, because you'll be sorely mistaken. My research is sound, and I'm extremely confident in its accuracy. You're confused about what you think you know, but have placed yourself out of your own depth here.
@mountainmikeoutdoors you do say it is just one man's claim, and not nessisary fact, but you don't make it clear you don't believe it. Why perpetuate a clearly faults narrative, especially if you don't believe it?
This is how stupid crazy rumors start. Like how I've heard many people claim there are sacred artifacts in the church vaults up cottonwood canyon; which maybe isn't true, or maybe you just weren't shown everything in them. I haven't been in them, but I've been in the commercially operated ones a little further up the canyon.
First of all, it's completely clear that I don't believe in this story. Especially if you stick around to the end when I explicitly say "I'll believe it when I see it." Saying "this is what he said but I don't believe it" is horrendous storytelling and kills the interest from viewers/readers. I'm here to share interesting stories, not my own opinions.
Second, I am not perpetuating a false narrative. I am not a proponent of the mine. I am not selling mine shares. I am not telling people to go out and buy shares. I am sharing an interesting story that has been told and recounted for over 100 years now by people I know. I'm reiterating local folklore, because local folklore is also valuable history to me. There are entire history departments dedicated to myths, folklore, urban legends and other adjacent topics. I am sharing the legacy of that folklore, here, for entertainment purposes. If you believe that somehow perpetuates some ulterior agenda then that's exclusively a "you" problem.
Third, this isn't how crazy rumors "start". This is how they "spread". This is an interesting story that I find fascinating, thus I will share this story however I please. The rumor and story itself has existed for a century, and I'm not the first to talk about it. I'm just the first to put so much effort into production.
Fourth, the LDS church's official position on the possession of the artifacts mentioned in this video is "No, we don't have them.". You should probably look into that *first* before you start buying into rumors of secret sacred relics stored in man made cave facilities.
This is the last response I'll be entertaining you with. Find less silly hills to die on.
All things are possible.
MORMONS MISINTERPRETATION OF EZEKIEL 37 "STICK OF JOSEPH AND STICK OF JUDAH."
You assume that the "Stick of Judah" is the Bible, while the "Stick of Joseph" is the Book of Mormon. In the latter days, the two have been joined together, forming the bulk of Mormon scripture. Mormonism's literal interpretation of scripture does not extend to hundreds of passages it rejects as corrupted or that it skews to suit its own purposes. In the case of Ezekiel 37, Mormons not only neglect the plain sense of the words, but also ignore there true interpretation, given by God-in the very same chapter. First, the Hebrew term translated as "stick" (aits) is never use anywhere in the Old Testament to mean "Book," "scroll", "writing", or anything similar. It is variously translated as "wood", or "branch", "timber", or "tree."
Needless to say, the Book of Mormon allegedly written on metal plates, not scrolls or sticks.
Second, the correct interpretation of this symbolic action of the prophet is given just a few verses later. Ezekiel is to take the two sticks, put them end to end and hold the joined ends in his hand. He thus displays to the people a "single" stick, once again united. This is to show that the scattered remnants of the southern kingdom ("Judah ") and northern kingdom of Israel ("Joseph") will be returned from exile, restored to their land, and made one nation again.
"They shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all" (Ezekiel 37:22). With Divine impetus, Ezekiel first spoke of this parable of redemption then enacted it. Only Mormonism can manage to mistake "timber" for "scrolls" and "nations" for "metal plates."
As the text makes clear, this is a prophecy of national reunification, not about the appearance of hidden scriptures.
Sir. This is a Wendy's.
The real mine was on the other side of lake😂😂 worlds biggest hole
I believe in the Relief Mine.
I believe in the Relief Society. 😄
@@schristiansen3151 I don't 😉
it will happen to those who have to money
I'm not sure why this church would need more money. They are hoarding more than 100 billion dollars.
Lol funny stuff.
One tall tale, just like the one Joseph Smith told.
What a bunch of BS
It's a bunch of well dressed bologna. But hey, it's a neat story.
Joseph had a history of conning neighbours looking for buried treasure. Never found anything... this is nonsense...but he had a great seer stone..😢😢😢
False prophecies from the that moroni angel. Smithsonian says not one shred of archeology found,to back up the bom. Unlike the holy Bible they actually use as a guide, there has been so much found
@@jwinfrey6298 yeah the Smithsonian that supposed historical museum founded by Joseph Smith haters. That comment of yours sounded so ignorant! you know for a fact that very little archaeology has been done in the Americas in fact, less than half a percent of all archaeological sites have been excavated. Coincidence? But if you just use your eyeballs, you can see that there are pyramids in temples in middle America and ruins of civilizations all across northern South America I wonder if those civilizations might have anything to do with the book Mormon peoples? At the very least they prove that there were great civilizations in America, which is also a claim that the book of Mormon makes and Joseph Smith wrote it back before we even knew about 99% of those sites. Come on now let’s use our brains that idea that archaeology doesn’t stand up Has died a quick death a long time ago. come up with something original that would be great.
Obviously you have your “facts” wrong. Every time Joseph Smith was accused of conning neighbors he was found not guilty by five different judges, but you don’t care, made up stories are more fun.
Bunch of nonsense
@@jwinfrey6298Fine, here we go:
Evidence? Okay. here is a little bit of BoM evidence right here for all haters to see:
Hopewell mounds, full of ancient, out of place artifacts, including breastplates, swords, (an) engraven stone(s), etc. One of these mounds actually had two Hebraic symbols built into the architecture, but was plowed to the ground for some reason. Rather suspiciously, it was the only one that got razed.
Bat Creek Stone, engraven with Hebraic symbols, denied authenticity by the Smithsonian, and given to the Cherokee under strict condition that it must be displayed upside down to make the Hebraic significance less noticeable and more reminiscent of Cherokee writing.
Adena Culture, Giant, unknown origin, skeletons, over 7-8 feet tall.
Poverty Point and its mounds; remnants of an unknown ancient civilization.
Kennewick Man, with Haplogroup X2a DNA, AKA Hebraic DNA. Hebraic blood in Spirit Cave Mummy. Modern Algonquian tribes containing Haplogroup X DNA.
Several caves and burial sites containing Giant skeletons and unique artifacts, origins unknown. Ex. Brewer's cave, etc.
Metal sheets found in Brewer's cave.
Lidar readings of massive, ancient city foundations in Meso-America.
Los Lunas Decalogue Stone, though concluded to be a hoax. Many other symbol-engraven stones of unknown origins(idk about all of them) found across the U.S, though also named a hoax.
Actual metal plates found.
A Gold Plated Book, info on Shabbat Night Live or The Stick of Joseph YT chan.
Many different Hebraisms found within the text. E.G. Chiasmus, an unusual style of Hebrew writing found within The Book of Mormon. A huge diversity in stylometry found within the text.
The Book of Moses lining up perfectly with The Books of Enoch; names matching almost flawlessly; apocryphal books of which Joseph Smith TOTALLY had access to.
Horse bones dating back to BoM times(though I don't trust dating methods myself.)
Over eleven witnesses sworn affidavit to the Book of Mormon's authenticity, each in turn NEVER denying their testimony, some even after leaving the church. Why not reveal all of the lies and fraudulent claims of Joseph Smith after leaving the church? Some were even willing to die for what they believed in. One of the 19 witnesses, Mary Whitmer, was even shown the plates by an angel; Joseph Smith was not even present at the time. It's amazing that Joseph Smith could hypnotize people into believing something without even being in the same location as the person he’s hypnotizing.
Messianic symbolism in Mayan culture.
Apocryphal Isaiah quoted in the BoM.
A what looks like man-made hole found in the hill Cumorah where Joseph Smith received the plates.
A place titled NHM in old Hebrew found in Saudi Arabia that matches Nahom from the BoM. Name also found on ancient maps. Gravestones in the land titled Ishmael also match up with the book of Mormon.
Wadi Tayyib Al Ism matches The Valley of Lemuel.
Khor Khafot matches The Land of Bountiful.
Dead Sea Scrolls containing modern, or similar to modern "Mormon" temple rituals.
Native American traditions and legends lining up with BoM.
An Israelic archaeological site named Beit Lehi, The House of Lehi. Traditions and stories surrounding the site match up with the BoM story of Lehi and his family.
Ancient steel bladed swords found in the middle east.
Ancient Cement found, as mentioned in the BoM
Ezekiel 37 speaking of one Stick of Joseph, going hand in hand with The Stick of Judah(Bible.)
Other sheep not of this fold, as spoken by Jesus Christ.
Sealed book and uneducated figure spoken of in Isaiah 29.
Also in the Bible: Malchiah son of Hemmelech(son of the king,) MLK in Hebrew, matching up with Mulek from the Book of Mormon.
Book of Mormon timeline matching up with the Bible.
A three year period of famine showing in cavern formation buildup that aligns with the famine of 3rd Nephi.
Ancient pollen data shows fluctuations that align with the timber-harvesting timeline in the Book of Mormon.
Numerous internal prophecies fulfilled.
On a sidenote, the Papyri that was left to test was only a fraction of what was originally there. Secondly, Joseph Smith could have received direct revelation from God, and the Papyri were merely meant as a trial of our faith for all I care. Why do you want me to test my God?? It is the opposite that we as Latter Day Saints desire. I thank you for fulfilling scripture, thereby increasing my testimony of the divinity of the Book of Mormon even further.
Thirdly, we learn from the BoM that due to the wickedness of the people, their swords were cursed so that they became slippery and were lost, never to be found again if they were let go. What with the people of the BoM becoming entirely wicked in the end, it only makes sense that a lack of evidence shows in the archaeological record today. Again, fulfilling scripture instead of refuting it.
If you say there is no evidence for the Book of Mormon, you're dead wrong. Could you please put forth some evidence AGAINST The Book of Mormon, by chance? Sorry if this has offended anyone. Please, read The Book of Mormon. Learn more about the God and Christ you ALREADY know about. Peace. Stick of J. YT chan. and BOM Central has good evidences content.
How boring
@@yvonneadams970 I'll just go ahead and delete my entire channel I guess
@ NAH!!!
The dream mine is nothing but an empty mountain 🏔️. It’s what you call a modern day Ponzy Scheme. Only it’s probably the longest running one in history. There’s nothing in that mountain 🏔️. Now to other mountains in this vast region I would say otherwise.
Only water comes out of the mine.
There is actually gold in that mountain but there's so little it wouldn't be profitable to mine it.
I had family in Utah and Sanpete counties. One brother invested the company’s retirement funds in Dream Mine stock. It was worthless.
Sadly, they were driving school buses, delivering mail and other menial tasks into their 70’s and 80’s.
If it sounds too good to be true……