zato dominated at the highest level for two seasons and received well-deserved nerfs. the same nerfs needs to any SS tier in this game. for example, Millia has never dominated this game. A year later, she still does not make it to the Euro or Arcoevo finals, like many other characters. but no one cares
@@Konakonizumi I believe zato deserved nerfs just not like this. I think what they did was lazy and could have been done better than just straight up crippling him.
they don't know what to do with this game. for this reason, half the characters have been removed from the competitive scene, and the top tiers continue to receive ridiculous buffs and polish. enjoy. @@krab_king4825
I really enjoy your videos. I don't even play Zato, but I just like hearing you talk about the game. I found you through your anti-Leo video (which was great) and I quickly subscribed and binged all your videos. I feel like there's a lot I could learn from listening to you. Hope you keep making more!
zato dominated at the highest level for two seasons and received well-deserved nerfs. the same nerfs needs to any SS tier in this game. for example, Millia has never dominated this game. And 3 year later, she still does not make it to the Evo or Arcrevo finals, like many other characters. but no one cares. Stop this Z downplay.
@Konakonizumi bro was high mid tier at best. Best way to say you never learn matchups. Even non zato players clearly say he is not only the worst character but horribly bad.
About Ram rock: Nago clone works sometimes, other spacings you have to spin. WWA works too but it's all on a read. It's fucked up because not only does spacing between you and Ram matter, but the spacing between Ram and the corner does too. You just have to know where the rock is going to be in relation to your body (when she's fast and the Strive camera man is drunk) and then commit ahead of time with the right option. She dies if I'm right... but I die if I'm wrong.
hhahhaa! I always wanted to hear your thoughts. to me, he got shafted by system mechanics that favor more resources and burst that more easily let players ease the pressure of mix up characters. not to mention that the mix-up characters have a worse wild assault.
I was "lucky" enough to have stopped playing Zato before they killed him but man, now I don't even want to think about picking this character up again. He was so fun and rewarding but now playing him is pain :(.
"it gets me upset, it's not fair", perfectly encapsulates this character this patch. We have to pilot one of the hardest characters in the game and get no reward for it, zato this patch is almost completely nonfunctional
Playing the hardest character doesn't justify totally denying interaction to the opponent with no actual down time as you did pre nerfs. Get good, lab, develop adaptations to the nerfs. He is not even nearly as bad as you are making him out to be
@@YoungYoung95 that is not at all what I said, and zato had plenty of counterplay even pre patch. I definitely need to practice and improve, but the fact that many of zato's options are exceptionally bad or downright nonfunctional (like break the law) is unacceptable
As a mid-level player, should I stick to Zato so that I can continue to learn the fundamentals of GGST and fighting games? I want to continue to improve but fear that investing time into another character will be wasteful, especially if top Zatos can still beat the average online player. This MU chart is aimed towards the highest level of play and I am not sure if reaching that high level will be more efficient with Zato or a different character. Great vid btw 👍
Im also kinda in the same spot although I picked up the character recently. Id say have some faith, this games still getting patched and we’ve seen some massive turn arounds in tier placements like with sin or anji. And the community has been very vocal about zatos issues so it’s likely he’s getting some help. But as for playing him now Id say you should still go for it, theres worse low tiers in the world of fighting games if Im honest.
Honestly how bad characters are at a top level shouldn't matter for a really long time, so you should just pick who you think is cool unless you're trying to win tournaments. You'll improve more if you pick a character on whom you're more motivated to improve at the end of the day
Thanks for the response! Winning tournaments is the end goal but I definitely understand I'm nowhere near there yet. I'll continue to play the blind man and hopefully I'll get good enough to drop him lol (hopefully he's fixed by then)
@@aleunefgcstuffiguessidk I'm sure even if he still remains where he is you can win some locals with enough bracket luck. But yeah if you want a more consistent character Zato might not be your guy.
Thank you for calling out the Elphelt downplayers, that shit is beyond gaslighting "just 5p her rekka lol". As a Bed main thanks too for putting into words why the Zato matchup can be so suffocating haha.
I don't really feel bad for Zato. I've always thought his gauge filled up too fast. Maybe they overdone it, but it seems that he now just gets punished for losing Eddie which seems logical to me. Or is it not only about the bar?
That wasnt the only change though. Aside from a bunch of other characters either abusing WA or having a new move, Zato cant fly long enough to stall for eddie, his P normals got nerfed which mattered alot to combat other moves, and Break the law doesnt bait burst and YRC anymore so the zato player cant even get around his systemic weaknesses. And if he baits either of those two things, he blocks them which removes or kills eddie. Why should zato lose for making the correct play?
@@sorafowler4497 I see. Didn't know some of that stuff. Guess, as I just play Bedman, Zato never really feels that bad of a character when I play against him. I'm kinda sorry now, but still just kinda. Hope asw buff some stuff, but not the bar recovery
@@ВладТропинин Yeah, its quite unfortunate. And sometimes, sacrificing Eddie is the correct play to combat somethings, and so the longer cooldown time on eddie effects that too. And strive is a much more aggressive game than the previous iterations of GG, so having this long ass time on your character not being playable, along with all of the other mentioned stuff, it really makes Zato not a worthwhile character to play. I can understand feeling as though he was too strong tho, especially considering his matchup against bedman, but out of all the top tiers in season 2, I think Zato was the most fair of them all
Yeah, he probably was. At least more bearable than, say, Ramlethal or Chipp. Eddie gauge depleting after yrc and btl not baiting yrc sounds pretty bullshit, actually. Well, he still has a new move to get. Always a chance it'll be a game changer and will make him better.@@sorafowler4497
It's just z-players always played an autopilot game, completely turning off their opponent in the corner. And now that they were forced to really try in neutral and weakened their offense, of course they couldn't win like before. fact, although good players can still play to its strengths. It’s just that all those who are now complaining about Zato1 are the real cheap ones
It's just z-players always played an autopilot game, completely turning off their opponent in the corner. And now that they were forced to really try in neutral and weakened their offense, of course they couldn't win like before. fact, although good players can still play to its strengths. It’s just that all those who are now complaining about Zato1 are the real cheap ones
The sheer lack of objectivity and amount of oversimplification and misinformation in this video will be a case study in propaganda for ages to come. This is not even a MU chart, you might as well have titled it "i downplay my character for half an hour straight".
Even with all of this the video is 35 minutes long. How long do you want this to be if this mf gotta explain every little thing in every possible matchup. The things that are being said are undoubtably true. Sure there is more but the principle is there.
@@water-111 Zato can run under hcl just like everyone else, he just can't switch to blocking and still go under it. Saying Zato can't dash block under HCL is technically correct, but really doesn't tell the story.
It looks like every video about Zato1 will be used as a Z-downplay tool if you look, a lot of the characters have still never been at the top of this game, and Z dominated during the first two seasons...
a week ago I saw Walter's set against Z player and he lost to him with a score of 0:3. How do you explain this? is the difference between Zato1 and Millia so big that you would pretend that this matchup is completely in Millia's favor when Millia's top player can't do anything in fact...
It's just z-players always played an autopilot game, completely turning off their opponent in the corner. And now that they were forced to really try in neutral and weakened their offense, of course they couldn't win like before. fact, although good players can still play to its strengths. It’s just that all those who are now complaining about Zato1 are the real cheap ones
zato dominated at the highest level for two seasons and received well-deserved nerfs. the same nerfs needs to any SS tier in this game. for example, Millia has never dominated this game. A year later, she still does not make it to the Evo or Arcrevo finals, like many other characters. but no one cares. Stop this Z downplay.
I got eliminated by Zato at EVO and I still feel bad for Zato players. They straight removed him
zato dominated at the highest level for two seasons and received well-deserved nerfs. the same nerfs needs to any SS tier in this game. for example, Millia has never dominated this game. A year later, she still does not make it to the Euro or Arcoevo finals, like many other characters. but no one cares
@@Konakonizumi I believe zato deserved nerfs just not like this. I think what they did was lazy and could have been done better than just straight up crippling him.
they don't know what to do with this game. for this reason, half the characters have been removed from the competitive scene, and the top tiers continue to receive ridiculous buffs and polish. enjoy.
@@krab_king4825
Stop this ridiculous Z downplay.
HE'S HERE
Happy Chaos bursts, puts the reticle on Zato: "Moving On."
Made me laugh so hard.
That looks like absolute pain
Chaos still broken. All top tiers need nerfs
You know it's bad when we're pulling up the classic cammy vs sagat clip lmaoooooooooo
I really enjoy your videos. I don't even play Zato, but I just like hearing you talk about the game. I found you through your anti-Leo video (which was great) and I quickly subscribed and binged all your videos. I feel like there's a lot I could learn from listening to you. Hope you keep making more!
i expected the intro to me and the birds by duster to be playing in the background on loop for the entire video
oh my god the leo match up is a horror movie
Leo is horror for any not S tier character
@@Konakonizumi axl and jack o
Free my boy Zato Season 4
zato dominated at the highest level for two seasons and received well-deserved nerfs. the same nerfs needs to any SS tier in this game. for example, Millia has never dominated this game. And 3 year later, she still does not make it to the Evo or Arcrevo finals, like many other characters. but no one cares. Stop this Z downplay.
Stop this ridiculous z downplay
@Konakonizumi bro was high mid tier at best. Best way to say you never learn matchups. Even non zato players clearly say he is not only the worst character but horribly bad.
@@ryanflipski3297 contrary to popular belief, I’ve actually never touched Zato and never plan on playing him even after he’s buffed again
About Ram rock: Nago clone works sometimes, other spacings you have to spin. WWA works too but it's all on a read. It's fucked up because not only does spacing between you and Ram matter, but the spacing between Ram and the corner does too. You just have to know where the rock is going to be in relation to your body (when she's fast and the Strive camera man is drunk) and then commit ahead of time with the right option. She dies if I'm right... but I die if I'm wrong.
hhahhaa! I always wanted to hear your thoughts. to me, he got shafted by system mechanics that favor more resources and burst that more easily let players ease the pressure of mix up characters. not to mention that the mix-up characters have a worse wild assault.
so happy that the low tier buffening patch did nothing
I was "lucky" enough to have stopped playing Zato before they killed him but man, now I don't even want to think about picking this character up again. He was so fun and rewarding but now playing him is pain :(.
Justice for Edward ✊
Arcsystem has already done this. Now we need justice for the remaining S tiers in this game.
"it gets me upset, it's not fair", perfectly encapsulates this character this patch.
We have to pilot one of the hardest characters in the game and get no reward for it, zato this patch is almost completely nonfunctional
Playing the hardest character doesn't justify totally denying interaction to the opponent with no actual down time as you did pre nerfs. Get good, lab, develop adaptations to the nerfs. He is not even nearly as bad as you are making him out to be
@@YoungYoung95 that is not at all what I said, and zato had plenty of counterplay even pre patch. I definitely need to practice and improve, but the fact that many of zato's options are exceptionally bad or downright nonfunctional (like break the law) is unacceptable
Gobou seems to be just fine. Maybe yall just arent good enough.
@@hakumenx1 yeah, so latif, tene, and thights all randomly have started being unable to play the game. What a braindead take
@@hakumenx1 Give me 1 single larger tournament where gobou busted out zato.
Personally, I think zato vs zato is a 10-0 matchup. After all, no matter what you do, zato loses.
Nice touch with "The End of the World" music 😭
zedediah told me zato=1 is super op against millia 🤔🤔🤔
Hmmm I wonder why
@@Tikialia he said something about tene using cheap moves at Conflict last year
you should upload and share your thoughts more often.
As a mid-level player, should I stick to Zato so that I can continue to learn the fundamentals of GGST and fighting games? I want to continue to improve but fear that investing time into another character will be wasteful, especially if top Zatos can still beat the average online player. This MU chart is aimed towards the highest level of play and I am not sure if reaching that high level will be more efficient with Zato or a different character. Great vid btw 👍
Im also kinda in the same spot although I picked up the character recently. Id say have some faith, this games still getting patched and we’ve seen some massive turn arounds in tier placements like with sin or anji. And the community has been very vocal about zatos issues so it’s likely he’s getting some help.
But as for playing him now Id say you should still go for it, theres worse low tiers in the world of fighting games if Im honest.
Tier lists don’t really matter until the upper echelons of play. Just play who you have fun with and think is cool.
Honestly how bad characters are at a top level shouldn't matter for a really long time, so you should just pick who you think is cool unless you're trying to win tournaments. You'll improve more if you pick a character on whom you're more motivated to improve at the end of the day
Thanks for the response! Winning tournaments is the end goal but I definitely understand I'm nowhere near there yet. I'll continue to play the blind man and hopefully I'll get good enough to drop him lol (hopefully he's fixed by then)
@@aleunefgcstuffiguessidk I'm sure even if he still remains where he is you can win some locals with enough bracket luck. But yeah if you want a more consistent character Zato might not be your guy.
Yo Tene can you send the link for your frame advantage mod?
Theme of Laura??? Zato would love dat song frfr
Yo I just saw a set were Zato went 2-1 against a [above average character], are you sure hes not a top 3 character? So tired of downplayers smh
This zato character smells bro
I mean he was a literal rotting corpse at one point so I don't blame him
I maining slayer this season, but zato better be god tier season 4😂
My man spitting facts about Elphelt. The downplayers have spread enough lies!
Z downplay indeed
It's amazing to see how Zato has a losing matchup even against Zato
This is the saddest matchup chart i have ever seen lmao
You should see the testament matchup chart yohospill made, that shit was painful to see
They cut zato in half lmao (not an exaggeration)
This was just sad.
Thank you for calling out the Elphelt downplayers, that shit is beyond gaslighting "just 5p her rekka lol".
As a Bed main thanks too for putting into words why the Zato matchup can be so suffocating haha.
I don't really feel bad for Zato. I've always thought his gauge filled up too fast. Maybe they overdone it, but it seems that he now just gets punished for losing Eddie which seems logical to me. Or is it not only about the bar?
That wasnt the only change though. Aside from a bunch of other characters either abusing WA or having a new move, Zato cant fly long enough to stall for eddie, his P normals got nerfed which mattered alot to combat other moves, and Break the law doesnt bait burst and YRC anymore so the zato player cant even get around his systemic weaknesses. And if he baits either of those two things, he blocks them which removes or kills eddie. Why should zato lose for making the correct play?
@@sorafowler4497 I see. Didn't know some of that stuff. Guess, as I just play Bedman, Zato never really feels that bad of a character when I play against him. I'm kinda sorry now, but still just kinda. Hope asw buff some stuff, but not the bar recovery
@@ВладТропинин Yeah, its quite unfortunate. And sometimes, sacrificing Eddie is the correct play to combat somethings, and so the longer cooldown time on eddie effects that too. And strive is a much more aggressive game than the previous iterations of GG, so having this long ass time on your character not being playable, along with all of the other mentioned stuff, it really makes Zato not a worthwhile character to play.
I can understand feeling as though he was too strong tho, especially considering his matchup against bedman, but out of all the top tiers in season 2, I think Zato was the most fair of them all
Yeah, he probably was. At least more bearable than, say, Ramlethal or Chipp. Eddie gauge depleting after yrc and btl not baiting yrc sounds pretty bullshit, actually. Well, he still has a new move to get. Always a chance it'll be a game changer and will make him better.@@sorafowler4497
It's just z-players always played an autopilot game, completely turning off their opponent in the corner. And now that they were forced to really try in neutral and weakened their offense, of course they couldn't win like before. fact, although good players can still play to its strengths. It’s just that all those who are now complaining about Zato1 are the real cheap ones
They need to revert all of the nerfs except the Eddie one
chemical love is the stupidest move ino has. ino players just cheat neutral with it
It's just z-players always played an autopilot game, completely turning off their opponent in the corner. And now that they were forced to really try in neutral and weakened their offense, of course they couldn't win like before. fact, although good players can still play to its strengths. It’s just that all those who are now complaining about Zato1 are the real cheap ones
Give me one good player doing well in tourneys with zato
The sheer lack of objectivity and amount of oversimplification and misinformation in this video will be a case study in propaganda for ages to come. This is not even a MU chart, you might as well have titled it "i downplay my character for half an hour straight".
Even with all of this the video is 35 minutes long. How long do you want this to be if this mf gotta explain every little thing in every possible matchup. The things that are being said are undoubtably true. Sure there is more but the principle is there.
bait used to be believable
@@water-111 half of the content of this video is true at most
@@YoungYoung95 Where are the lies?? Or are you not gonna bring any up cause you have no idea what youre talking about?
@@water-111 Zato can run under hcl just like everyone else, he just can't switch to blocking and still go under it. Saying Zato can't dash block under HCL is technically correct, but really doesn't tell the story.
It looks like every video about Zato1 will be used as a Z-downplay tool
if you look, a lot of the characters have still never been at the top of this game, and Z dominated during the first two seasons...
a week ago I saw Walter's set against Z player and he lost to him with a score of 0:3.
How do you explain this? is the difference between Zato1 and Millia so big that you would pretend that this matchup is completely in Millia's favor when Millia's top player can't do anything in fact...
The messiah has returned
walter got gapped out of his mind, simple as
...or the Z-player didn't play as lousy as usual, it looks more believable
It's just z-players always played an autopilot game, completely turning off their opponent in the corner. And now that they were forced to really try in neutral and weakened their offense, of course they couldn't win like before. fact, although good players can still play to its strengths. It’s just that all those who are now complaining about Zato1 are the real cheap ones
Gap
Nerf Zato
Maybe S tiers: sols, nagos, asuka, may, leo and chaos?
@@Konakonizumi Milla guy spotted
zato dominated at the highest level for two seasons and received well-deserved nerfs. the same nerfs needs to any SS tier in this game. for example, Millia has never dominated this game. A year later, she still does not make it to the Evo or Arcrevo finals, like many other characters. but no one cares. Stop this Z downplay.