this thing doesnt happen nearly as often as the media want you to think. Stuff like this makes it ok for people to dismiss survivors, its not ok. A man is more likely to be raped themselves than face false allegations.
@@FM_1819 normally I'd agree with you, but this type of thinking is why 2.5% of rapists face any jail time in the us. Im not saying due process isn't needed, but reform most certainly is necessary. 2.5% jail time means repeat offenders happen all the time and no one cares (edited)
@@madcap3514 Like I said, I don't care if the chances are 1% or 0.01% of imprisoning an innocent person, its about the precedent in processes it leads to, and about the rights of the individual to be thought of as innocent before proven guilty. Reform should come in encouraging and facilitating victims to report the crimes as soon as possible, and give the officers the proper resources and training to investigate the case, However, this should never come at the expense of rights or the chance of jailing innocents. The road to hell is paved with good intentions after all
@@FM_1819 What's even sadder is that even when false and malicious allegations are proven, the girl/woman gets maybe a slap to 1/10th the punishment the guy she accused would have gotten.
I think all participants in that scam should be charged for Ramsey's death. The carried out the scam, someone died as a result, so, everyone involved should be charged,
In real life they would have; a death that occurs in any way during the commission of pretty much any crime in the US is a felony level, a murder/manslaughter charge
@@katierose7911 I was glad all the lies were exposed, especially the so called victim was actually 23 not 17, and all defendants wound up with egg on their faces.
I’m sure in the end they all did. But the fact that she was about to walk away Scott free with five years probation. She’s definitely going to get the lengthy term out of everybody.
One of the things I love about getting his series is the fact that women can be just as vile as men. There are some truly twisted ladies in this show, and this young lady was truly evil.
I mean it's the media nowadays that make men out to be evil 100% of the time and women to be sweet angels, to meet the feminist agenda that all men should be executed, although that point is an extreme and not many feminists think that harshly towards men, but most see men as vile. I agree that this show was a great demonstration of equality, showing both genders being victims and horrible crooks.
The term "sociopath" fits. The ends always justifies the means. Other people don't matter, just you do. And if They are stupid enough to believe you, you're entitled to what They have.
@@factsuniverse851 I don't know about that. This girl seemed full of spirit despite taking a beating. I know most girl would've been traumatized by such a beating. This girl seemed like it was exciting to her.
because they are suspects, not convicted yet. it is the correct way to word it, plus if the suspect proves innocent, they can sue the news outlets for defamation, slander, etc (or libel if they are in the UK).
Indeed. I almost got my previous station sued for saying a cold case had been solved, quoting the police. If it weren’t for DNA evidence, he could’ve been written off and I could’ve shut down the station. Whoops.
One of my favorite episodes I took some pleasure when the prosecutor told her "your allegation put him there" and then she knew she was being charged with manslaughter
This episode stuck with me for a long time. They treated Russel so bad even though he kept begging for help because he was being raped in jail. I am not comforted by Siobhan going to jail in the end but at least she didn't only get probation.
Poor Ramsay, he was innocent but due to his record, being under the registry, plus Siobhan looking the way she did NOBODY would believe him, and he was killed in a slow and PAINFUL way🤷♂️🤷♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
What's worse is (spoiler for the ep) it seems that he didn't commit the crime that got him on the registry in the first place. His former victim (if I can remember correctly) said she wasn't raped but her parents reported the crime or something like that. God bless you.
I just went and watched the full episode and I am beyond livid. These people are disgusting; and the detectives treated Russell so poorly when he begged them for help. I'm sincerely disappointed in every single one of them.
Oh the police/detectives in this show are always pigs. Specially in the main series, specially the recent remake episodes, slightly ok on SVU, and some are good some aren’t on criminal intent but I find that spinoff to be most tolerable.
they do that alot towards men they did the same thing to that poor black man who is a teacher they never listen to him at all and just assume he was guilty because he was a man.
As someone who grew up, and still lives in the boondocks of North Carolina, I can say that they really nailed the southern hick accent 👌 I and my whole family sound just like this girl and it’s honestly really annoying to hear just how well she faked that country accent. Most people would think it’s way too thick and fake, but it’s actually spot on.
It's completely spot-on :) I grew up in Western North Carolina and spent way too many years working in retail...her accent was a dead ringer for a lot of my customers.
Is there a difference in accents between rural North Carolina and rural South Carolina? I mean, can people from those states tell which state someone is from just by hearing their accent? Or is it pretty much the same?
another case of hers i liked is when a man who had pyke disease was licking, chewing on cars he had when he was a kid had lead in the paint which caused he brain to not fully developed and killed someone, she got the owner of the company on the stand and revealed that he WAS STILL using lead and got him red handed and sent to jail
@@MrRaziel25 loved that episode. She got that kid a lifetime of care, money and punished the company that poisoned him. She and Barba will always be my favorites
If I'm remembering this episode right, I think Munch felt bad at the end; something to do with Ramsey having a girlfriend I think. But In real life, I get the feeling society wouldn't care too much about Ramsey dying like that either way since he was on the registry in the first place.
The sister was the one who planned the whole thing too; she was originally going to do this plan with her parents but they got arrested so she tracked down her brother and convinced him to join the big leagues because he normally did small cons
Stabler and Benson just sitting there knowing that Ramsey was killed in prison and waiting to slap the cuffs on Siobhan is SO savage on EVERY LEVEL🤣🤣🤷♂️🤷♂️
They were easy too nonchalant about his death. The ADA also with her smirk. No one cared but Munch that an innocent man was killed. Her getting arrested wasn't a win.
@@marcustaylor4466 It was never about winning though. It is getting justice. There were never a win or lose situation with them nor with the ADA. As much as I sometimes hate the way they handle things because of their personal judgment, the SVU and especially ADA are bounded by laws and people who watch them. That's why I enjoy episodes where they rebel on their profession and correct their mistakes. I also enjoy the episodes that they were eaten up by their guilt but they have to move forward so they can do their jobs. Make them more human than just decorated cops or ADA.
The fact the cops got away with the murder of Russell Ramsay is sad. I know the lady led his death, but throughout the whole episode, they didn't believe a word he said then he DIED. It's unfair. It's injustice.
I've watched this clip so many times and I've always felt bad for the guy who was put to jail.... but then I watched the whole episode (bought the whole season). It broke me. That poor, poor man.
@@danaabel1049 - I had to think about what this was about from a year ago. haha. When deals are made for immunity, they don't give immunity based on specific causes of action. She'd be given immunity based on any crimes that came from the actions for which immunity was granted. The whole reason this is done is to prevent prosecution from tricking people into accepting immunity in exchange for testimony then locking them up anyway. Otherwise, no deals would ever be given. Without her testimony, they wouldn't have been able to move against her co-conspirators. That is the benefit to the prosecution. They aren't permitted to then trick the person they gave immunity to. This is the same reason Bill Cosby was released....he was given immunity in 2005 and then they prosecuted him anyway for other crimes that came from the same set of facts. It's just not allowed.
I remember this episode, it made me hate the woman cop. When she arrested the guy she said he said he didn’t do it and there’s no evidence, to which she claimed she didn’t need evidence because she had a young girls word. Then he ends up dead and she acts all smug 🤔 The policewoman should be in trouble for his death as well.
@@marcelmiller7551 watch beyond scared straight program it really does upsets you that her and other detective put innocent people without a proper investigation
Are you talking about the Olivia Benson show with a side of crime? That one? Where she has the same hairstyle in each episode, and for 40 min, she's comforting and empowering the victim and the law part is only 3 min long? Lol.
@@mablelinchow lol it’s on and off I like the high end suspects tho show they aren’t above the law but like we all know these episodes come from real life events and nowadays everything happening is the same thing
The actress playing the hick girl is really good! I know such persons and she gets everything just right---including the smirky manner and facial expressions while being questioned.
Just before the lineup, the detectives were questioning the poor dude. They ask him where he was when this happened, and he said "I was with a girl named Siobhan at a hotel." The detective was obviously floored that he was trying to use her as his alibi. I mean thats gotta be a clue that *something* isn't right.
@@destinythomas5537 this is Season 2 yeah the earlier seasons were better I Seen the New Show with Stabler and shed some tears of Kathy's Death and I love Bell's line of the waffles when Stabler said I take the waffles She said Smart man
The reason he went under cover, is because each of the con family already met 2 of the detectives. So, if 1 of them went under cover, someone from the family would recognize. So, Cragen went because they never met him nor know him.
Ah, it was this episode... The character of Mr. Tupper is an Actuary - a statistician who works with insurance companies to determine risks and uncertainty. They're usually seen as somewhat dull and boring, and he was played brilliantly by Brian Connors in the episode as monotone and completely neutral throughout. The scene I remember, though, was this: Stabler: So, you're the one who determines how much a person's life is worth Tupper: I am the one who determines the actuarial tables, yes Stabler: So, how much is a dead cop worth? Tupper: (Completely monotone and unphased) I'll need age and rank at time of death.
I love how Cragen pretends to be Tupper's boss. "Thank you Tupper. You can go." Sounds just like a snotty boss talking down to a lower-level employee. Very realistic.
Her false allegation *_and the police and prosecutors being taken in by her_*. But do they become more or less naively trusting of everyone who claims to be a victim? More of course.
An innocent man sent to jail where he was raped and killed. I know it's just a TV show but This is exactly what happens in real life when Judicial system by default favours Gold diggers instead of Innocent until proven Guilty!!
I watched this show late at night with my mother and it makes me happy I have no interest in law. But the memories of watching it with her late at night are fond memories for me
This is absurd. There’s no way they could walk in and do that. Deals like this always cover charges stemming from the underlying action. They couldn’t take her agreeing to the deal and then arrest her for something so closely related to her allocution when she literally only allocated for immunity. Fun fantasy. But fantasy nonetheless. A penny lawyer could win her case.
Well the problem is that her cause was things like fraud, etc. Not Manslaughter which is a whole different tier of crimes. If you get a plea deal for robbery sure they might give you immunity for the guy you punched out in the commission of the crime. But not for the guy you murdered before the crime to get the car. They would consider is a separate act. Like this, they considered the lying to the police as different from lying to the guy she was defrauding.
@@TheLastSane1 my point is they could only charge her if they had other evidence. They could not use her allocution made as part of a plea deal, to charge her with another crime. They might take it as a “ah ha!” Moment and start and investigation. But they couldn’t use the statements she made during the allocution
They can actually charge her, she had been sentenced to probation. The police had discovered proof of her lies; a man died in jail because of her lies. She has breached her probation by filing a false report. It's called probation violation,a police or parole officer can take her into custody to serve her 5 years. If the prosecutor gets a conviction for manslaughter; with the aggravating factors she's looking at 8 years in state prison.
Yeah.....I don't think this would work. She was still compelled to provide testimony incriminating herself under the provisions of a no prosecution plea bargain. Using that testimony as the basis of a criminal case even one indirectly connected is still likely a non-starter.
There's a certain irony to this. She tried to sell out her brother and sister in law to save herself and likely will serve a longer sentence than both of them
6:45 The detective belongs behind bars as well because they're just as guilty as she is. Not once did they look into his side of the story and just arrested him.
She never even made arraignment--but instead was MURDERED in the lockup. Stabler and Benson BOTH had reprimand letters stuck in their respective jackets; Cragen had to give them both a week of administrative leave.
As satisfying as this is, I find it highly doubtful they could actually convict her of manslaughter for Ramsey's death. It was the county's job to protect him in prison, not hers. His crimes should not have been known to the general population in the first place, and if they were, he should've been in protective custody- especially after he reported being assaulted. Convicting her of manslaughter would open up a huge can of legal worms, with every convict angling to see the witnesses/victims of their crimes, legally harassed for the injuries they suffer in prison. It would never work.
Me too that was the best seasons after that I just been watching him or I don't even watch the new seasons everything to me is good with the old seasons
The fact that the lady took the little girl out of the picture shows the NYPD cares about the child not going through the trauma of seeing their family arrested.
It was driving me crazy, trying to remember where I’ve seen this actress! 🤔😲 she was Mark Walbergs (Mickey Ward) sister in The Fighter! She and Mark the only Wards in the big mixed family 🤗😊❤️🙏
the actress that does the girl is really good she did the innocent-to-perp transition perfectly
exactly! i looked her up but she doesn’t seem to have been in much.
Kinda like the psychopath on House, when 13 picked up on it. That switch was so quick... and cold.
There's a few females out there like that.
@@BlueBagger83 She was great
Hell, she should’ve gotten more roles just off that scene 👏🏼👏🏼
Just when she thought she could get away with it. Uno reversal card.
On top on a cancel turn and a colour change +4
Serves her right....No Money for Her
No UNO card of any kind for Ramsey.
Nice one
🤣😂😂😂😂😂😷
And this is why innocent until proven guilty is so important in our criminal justice system.
this thing doesnt happen nearly as often as the media want you to think. Stuff like this makes it ok for people to dismiss survivors, its not ok. A man is more likely to be raped themselves than face false allegations.
@@madcap3514 It is better to let 10 guilty people walk than to put one innocent in jail, it doesn't matter the chances, no one is above due process
@@FM_1819 normally I'd agree with you, but this type of thinking is why 2.5% of rapists face any jail time in the us. Im not saying due process isn't needed, but reform most certainly is necessary. 2.5% jail time means repeat offenders happen all the time and no one cares (edited)
@@madcap3514 Like I said, I don't care if the chances are 1% or 0.01% of imprisoning an innocent person, its about the precedent in processes it leads to, and about the rights of the individual to be thought of as innocent before proven guilty. Reform should come in encouraging and facilitating victims to report the crimes as soon as possible, and give the officers the proper resources and training to investigate the case, However, this should never come at the expense of rights or the chance of jailing innocents. The road to hell is paved with good intentions after all
@@FM_1819 What's even sadder is that even when false and malicious allegations are proven, the girl/woman gets maybe a slap to 1/10th the punishment the guy she accused would have gotten.
I think all participants in that scam should be charged for Ramsey's death. The carried out the scam, someone died as a result, so, everyone involved should be charged,
In real life they would have; a death that occurs in any way during the commission of pretty much any crime in the US is a felony level, a murder/manslaughter charge
@@katierose7911 As it should be.
@@detmstr341 EXACTLY, YES EXACTLY🙌🏽
@@katierose7911 I was glad all the lies were exposed, especially the so called victim was actually 23 not 17, and all defendants wound up with egg on their faces.
I’m sure in the end they all did. But the fact that she was about to walk away Scott free with five years probation. She’s definitely going to get the lengthy term out of everybody.
One of the things I love about getting his series is the fact that women can be just as vile as men. There are some truly twisted ladies in this show, and this young lady was truly evil.
The thing I hate about this series is that innocent people can get convicted in prison. I know it happens in real life, but still
sad cabot didnt appear more often
Maybe up until season 16 or so. The later seasons 17-23 is all men=bad women=victims. I feel like the earlier seasons were less biased.
In all of the L&O universe, Nicole Wallace from Criminal Intent was probably one of the evilest women in the show. Just a cold-blooded murderer.
I mean it's the media nowadays that make men out to be evil 100% of the time and women to be sweet angels, to meet the feminist agenda that all men should be executed, although that point is an extreme and not many feminists think that harshly towards men, but most see men as vile. I agree that this show was a great demonstration of equality, showing both genders being victims and horrible crooks.
"it hurt like hell, but she did a pretty good job"
All said with a big smile on her face. What kind of girl is this?
The term "sociopath" fits. The ends always justifies the means. Other people don't matter, just you do. And if They are stupid enough to believe you, you're entitled to what They have.
@@karazor-el6085 u beat me to it pure sociopath. Zero empathy or conscience.
A girl who is already dead inside, and just waiting for the outside to catch up. ..........
@@factsuniverse851 I don't know about that. This girl seemed full of spirit despite taking a beating. I know most girl would've been traumatized by such a beating. This girl seemed like it was exciting to her.
The kind you avoid at all times and all at cost.
This is why news outlets use the word “allegedly” when describing suspects in a crime.
because they are suspects, not convicted yet. it is the correct way to word it, plus if the suspect proves innocent, they can sue the news outlets for defamation, slander, etc (or libel if they are in the UK).
@@csilla3085 and it would poison a jury pool
@@megmur1766 As if they care about that potential issue.
@@pepps779 they don't. The threat of the lawsuit makes them act like they do tho
Indeed. I almost got my previous station sued for saying a cold case had been solved, quoting the police. If it weren’t for DNA evidence, he could’ve been written off and I could’ve shut down the station. Whoops.
"You're good, but I've been taken by better" I love that line
One of my favorite episodes I took some pleasure when the prosecutor told her "your allegation put him there" and then she knew she was being charged with manslaughter
One of my favorite episodes
Love Olivia's line: "Can't tell you how much I've enjoyed watching you hang yourself."
This episode stuck with me for a long time. They treated Russel so bad even though he kept begging for help because he was being raped in jail. I am not comforted by Siobhan going to jail in the end but at least she didn't only get probation.
Not raped, beat up I think. Well I think in their mind he was lying and wasn't a victim
@@CherryBlossomBlyue Olivia says in the courtroom he was raped and beaten when putting the cuffs on her.
@@shellc Oh I was talking about earlier in this episode
@@CherryBlossomBlyue My bad. I thought you meant the clip.
I feel bad for Russell too... but still he could've prevented being raped simply by just telling and explaining to the other inmates that he's not gay
Poor Ramsay, he was innocent but due to his record, being under the registry, plus Siobhan looking the way she did NOBODY would believe him, and he was killed in a slow and PAINFUL way🤷♂️🤷♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
What's worse is (spoiler for the ep) it seems that he didn't commit the crime that got him on the registry in the first place. His former victim (if I can remember correctly) said she wasn't raped but her parents reported the crime or something like that.
God bless you.
Oh just watched the scene again (spoiler warning once more). The reason it was was because he was 22 and she was was 15.
@@FeedingFrenzy91 So, he couldn't find a woman at a bar?
I just went and watched the full episode and I am beyond livid. These people are disgusting; and the detectives treated Russell so poorly when he begged them for help. I'm sincerely disappointed in every single one of them.
Oh the police/detectives in this show are always pigs. Specially in the main series, specially the recent remake episodes, slightly ok on SVU, and some are good some aren’t on criminal intent but I find that spinoff to be most tolerable.
Right! I was in recovery from surgery in 2019 when I first saw this, and the whole thing had me so pissed my BP went up 😅. Disguting, seriously.
Hopefully Russell's rapists/murderers were given life-sentences after the poor guy was beaten, raped and murder in the joint.
Sawft.
they do that alot towards men they did the same thing to that poor black man who is a teacher they never listen to him at all and just assume he was guilty because he was a man.
As someone who grew up, and still lives in the boondocks of North Carolina, I can say that they really nailed the southern hick accent 👌 I and my whole family sound just like this girl and it’s honestly really annoying to hear just how well she faked that country accent. Most people would think it’s way too thick and fake, but it’s actually spot on.
It's completely spot-on :) I grew up in Western North Carolina and spent way too many years working in retail...her accent was a dead ringer for a lot of my customers.
Is there a difference in accents between rural North Carolina and rural South Carolina? I mean, can people from those states tell which state someone is from just by hearing their accent? Or is it pretty much the same?
@@newguy90 For the most part, yeah. It's not always a very noticeable difference, but there's still a difference.
@@SubeTheWench Thanks for replying.
Down south accent. I'm from va we have them also
Cabot is a great ADA. I miss the days when she argued with Petrovsky in the courtroom.
another case of hers i liked is when a man who had pyke disease was licking, chewing on cars he had when he was a kid had lead in the paint which caused he brain to not fully developed and killed someone, she got the owner of the company on the stand and revealed that he WAS STILL using lead and got him red handed and sent to jail
@@MrRaziel25 loved that episode. She got that kid a lifetime of care, money and punished the company that poisoned him. She and Barba will always be my favorites
@@megmur1766 you didn’t like Cabot?
@@tamaracesar1931 do you mean Novak?
@@megmur1766 yes I did 🤣
Again, they don't seem to care they sent an innocent victim to jail and death, he was a bad man but its just the self-righteous writting
If I'm remembering this episode right, I think Munch felt bad at the end; something to do with Ramsey having a girlfriend I think. But In real life, I get the feeling society wouldn't care too much about Ramsey dying like that either way since he was on the registry in the first place.
@@shadowwriter4538 Munch and Stabler, considering that Stabler had to break the news to her.
You talking about the con family or the cops?
They did care, that’s why Siobhan went to jail for his death.
The sister was the one who planned the whole thing too; she was originally going to do this plan with her parents but they got arrested so she tracked down her brother and convinced him to join the big leagues because he normally did small cons
Stabler and Benson just sitting there knowing that Ramsey was killed in prison and waiting to slap the cuffs on Siobhan is SO savage on EVERY LEVEL🤣🤣🤷♂️🤷♂️
They were easy too nonchalant about his death. The ADA also with her smirk. No one cared but Munch that an innocent man was killed. Her getting arrested wasn't a win.
@@marcustaylor4466 yeah, that’s why I prefer watch criminal intent. Munch is one of the few guys that isn’t a freaking pig 🐷.
@@marcustaylor4466 It was never about winning though. It is getting justice. There were never a win or lose situation with them nor with the ADA.
As much as I sometimes hate the way they handle things because of their personal judgment, the SVU and especially ADA are bounded by laws and people who watch them.
That's why I enjoy episodes where they rebel on their profession and correct their mistakes. I also enjoy the episodes that they were eaten up by their guilt but they have to move forward so they can do their jobs. Make them more human than just decorated cops or ADA.
They caused his death you idiot, way more than Siobhan.
Well they killed him too
The fact the cops got away with the murder of Russell Ramsay is sad.
I know the lady led his death, but throughout the whole episode, they didn't believe a word he said then he DIED. It's unfair. It's injustice.
Because he’s a man
@@EdwardRock1 ikr. It's sad.
@Bla Bla No wonder people feel they have to take the law into their own hands if the cops won't help them.
@@Disneyfan82 Look at the Uvalde school shooting, cops definitely can't be trusted or counted on.
I Fucking Despise Cops!!!
The early seasons hits different.
They were the best
@@Weegee766 agreed
SVU is like The Simpsons. Too many "big names" guest starring ruined it.
@@MrStGeorgeIllawarra Those big names helped with the entertainment value
Facts!!!
I've watched this clip so many times and I've always felt bad for the guy who was put to jail.... but then I watched the whole episode (bought the whole season). It broke me. That poor, poor man.
His gf :(
Not only was he put in prison, he was raped and killed. Making this much worse.
Alex is the best DA in the show... she reminds me of my grade school teacher. very serious and good at her job.
Not better than Barba!!
Talk about a good ending. Out of the frying pan and into the fire.
A sting! [whistling The Entertainer]
Bittersweet Ending
Not for that guy though
@@ahikam546 yeah it's irritating
She’s a sociopath
I had a feeling something was wrong with her story. Glad she got what was coming to her.
Me too. I don't trust things that appear too easy & obvious. There def. were some dots that certainly DIDN'T connect together.
Shame on them. Getting an innocent man jaied and death.
@Donde MerlinWitnessed cases where multiple witnesses lie under oath, falsify evidence, it is absolutely disgusting!
It's her fault he's dead, not theirs...
Svu were responsible too
@@anthonyitaliano7316 it's their fault too
@@anthonyitaliano7316 Uhh, on the contrary, yes, it was their fault b/c they were her co-conspirators who chose the perfect scapegoat
Saw this episode the other day on the ion SVU marathon and boy was it satisfying to watch her get hers.
That was so slick how they took the kid. Saved her and they didnt expect a thing
She switched up quick! “ I want a deal” LMAOOO
The con artist got conned. Beautiful.
Only after the poor guy got killed in jail was going to see jail
Of course, in real life, none of this could have happened. She'd be immune from prosecution.
CONvincingly🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@rekcusdoo Actually, no, she wouldn't have been, b/c she was involved in the whole deal.
@@danaabel1049 - I had to think about what this was about from a year ago. haha. When deals are made for immunity, they don't give immunity based on specific causes of action. She'd be given immunity based on any crimes that came from the actions for which immunity was granted.
The whole reason this is done is to prevent prosecution from tricking people into accepting immunity in exchange for testimony then locking them up anyway. Otherwise, no deals would ever be given.
Without her testimony, they wouldn't have been able to move against her co-conspirators. That is the benefit to the prosecution. They aren't permitted to then trick the person they gave immunity to.
This is the same reason Bill Cosby was released....he was given immunity in 2005 and then they prosecuted him anyway for other crimes that came from the same set of facts. It's just not allowed.
I remember this episode, it made me hate the woman cop. When she arrested the guy she said he said he didn’t do it and there’s no evidence, to which she claimed she didn’t need evidence because she had a young girls word.
Then he ends up dead and she acts all smug 🤔 The policewoman should be in trouble for his death as well.
Agreed
Benson is always like that. She'll believe a woman even if she's lying
@@marcelmiller7551 she still does it
@@silversmoke4159 yep Mariska being executive producer has turned Benson to a feminist icon. It's also rare see female perps now
@@marcelmiller7551 watch beyond scared straight program it really does upsets you that her and other detective put innocent people without a proper investigation
You never see episodes like this anymore. Now it’s all about promoting the “healing survivor’s journey.” message with high profile perps.
Yes I think they should have ended Law & Order Special Victims Unit A long time ago the beginning seasons will always be my favorite up until 2010
incel vibes
Are you talking about the Olivia Benson show with a side of crime? That one? Where she has the same hairstyle in each episode, and for 40 min, she's comforting and empowering the victim and the law part is only 3 min long? Lol.
@@mablelinchow lol it’s on and off I like the high end suspects tho show they aren’t above the law but like we all know these episodes come from real life events and nowadays everything happening is the same thing
The actress playing the hick girl is really good! I know such persons and she gets everything just right---including the smirky manner and facial expressions while being questioned.
I remember watching this episode when it first premiered on a Friday on NBC. This episode still has stayed with me.
This is the earliest I’ve caught a clip: 4 minutes after upload!
Fate smiles on you and frowns on perps
This needs to happens more often to women who make false allegations against men.
Thats true
2 words Amber Heard
Just before the lineup, the detectives were questioning the poor dude. They ask him where he was when this happened, and he said "I was with a girl named Siobhan at a hotel." The detective was obviously floored that he was trying to use her as his alibi. I mean thats gotta be a clue that *something* isn't right.
Exactly if Ramsey beat and raped her why would he use her for an alibi? Detectives can be idiots sometimes.
I swear it’s disgusting how people will give there souls for Money. It’s sad and stupid
For sure money dies change people
It's even more disgusting how some people are willing to get what they want @ the expense of others.
the Judge voiced Bowser on 3 Mario Bros cartoons in late 80s and early 90s
RIP Harvey Atkin (who passed in 2017)
I love how they flipped it on her.
Best part, she thought she was gonna skate free but no, uh-uh,lol
One of the best. Episodes EVER
Season 1 gives me that “at home” memory. I love it.
@@destinythomas5537 this is Season 2 yeah the earlier seasons were better I Seen the New Show with Stabler and shed some tears of Kathy's Death and I love Bell's line of the waffles when Stabler said I take the waffles She said Smart man
Captain Cragen head-turning Mr Mayfield and dismissing Tupper like he's a disposable servant though. 😭😭
The reason he went under cover, is because each of the con family already met 2 of the detectives. So, if 1 of them went under cover, someone from the family would recognize. So, Cragen went because they never met him nor know him.
@@detmstr341 I know. I watched the episode. I was commenting on how well he played his part.
@@melissaa.s.8096 I agree. Especially, when they were all arrested, he called them out for their wrong doing.
My thought when we saw 'Mr. Mayfield' was, "it's a sting!"
Hello amber heard
It's like the script was written from her book of trapping johnny
Oh, my God. Cragen goes undercover as an insurance agent to bring the Special Victims Unit and make an arrest on those grifters.
4:17
The look of seething anger and disgust on Olivia's face listening to the girl.
And to this day Olivia acts shocked when a woman lies to her.
As the victim of a knowingly false allegation myself, this scene always gives me chills as I think what might have been!
Actions have consequences. Don't operate in darkness and you won't face the karma
Love the way the smug smile drops off her face!! But they all look so YOUNG!!
Ah, it was this episode...
The character of Mr. Tupper is an Actuary - a statistician who works with insurance companies to determine risks and uncertainty. They're usually seen as somewhat dull and boring, and he was played brilliantly by Brian Connors in the episode as monotone and completely neutral throughout. The scene I remember, though, was this:
Stabler: So, you're the one who determines how much a person's life is worth
Tupper: I am the one who determines the actuarial tables, yes
Stabler: So, how much is a dead cop worth?
Tupper: (Completely monotone and unphased) I'll need age and rank at time of death.
I love how Cragen pretends to be Tupper's boss. "Thank you Tupper. You can go." Sounds just like a snotty boss talking down to a lower-level employee. Very realistic.
I honestly wonder what Goran or Eames would have done to that girl.
Same thing the SUV team would have done
@@attiepollard7847 agreed.
@@attiepollard7847 exactly
Her false allegation *_and the police and prosecutors being taken in by her_*. But do they become more or less naively trusting of everyone who claims to be a victim? More of course.
An innocent man sent to jail where he was raped and killed. I know it's just a TV show but This is exactly what happens in real life when Judicial system by default favours Gold diggers instead of Innocent until proven Guilty!!
Just like Amber Heard. Or should I saw Amber Turd.
Johnny Cage isn't in jail though.
But you gotta point.
I watched this show late at night with my mother and it makes me happy I have no interest in law. But the memories of watching it with her late at night are fond memories for me
If only it worked IRL, but justice system loves protecting guilty woman.
I always had a crush on the blonde district attorney on this show I always thought she was really pretty
Top 5 episode of anything on tv. Its just so perfectly written and acted.
7:08 It's called a hustle sweetheart. I really wish cops would make that Zootopia reference when they revealed a shocking truth to the crook.
This is absurd. There’s no way they could walk in and do that. Deals like this always cover charges stemming from the underlying action. They couldn’t take her agreeing to the deal and then arrest her for something so closely related to her allocution when she literally only allocated for immunity. Fun fantasy. But fantasy nonetheless. A penny lawyer could win her case.
Well the problem is that her cause was things like fraud, etc. Not Manslaughter which is a whole different tier of crimes. If you get a plea deal for robbery sure they might give you immunity for the guy you punched out in the commission of the crime. But not for the guy you murdered before the crime to get the car. They would consider is a separate act. Like this, they considered the lying to the police as different from lying to the guy she was defrauding.
@@TheLastSane1 my point is they could only charge her if they had other evidence. They could not use her allocution made as part of a plea deal, to charge her with another crime. They might take it as a “ah ha!” Moment and start and investigation. But they couldn’t use the statements she made during the allocution
They can actually charge her, she had been sentenced to probation. The police had discovered proof of her lies; a man died in jail because of her lies. She has breached her probation by filing a false report. It's called probation violation,a police or parole officer can take her into custody to serve her 5 years. If the prosecutor gets a conviction for manslaughter; with the aggravating factors she's looking at 8 years in state prison.
@@francessweeney2308 then they charged her because of the proof they found, NOT her allocution in the other matter
@@YouDontWantItWithMe What does it matter? She got what she deserved here, so there.
The ending of this was so sad. Munch asking the girl if she wants a coffee … :(
Still one of the best scenes of all time.
Yeah.....I don't think this would work. She was still compelled to provide testimony incriminating herself under the provisions of a no prosecution plea bargain. Using that testimony as the basis of a criminal case even one indirectly connected is still likely a non-starter.
"I wanna deal"
That's gonna be one pissed off defence attorney
Unfortunately, this sort of thing happens in real life, but with a different outcome.
Actually... it statistically very rarely does.
@@saneelat.7684 True. Statistically, this exact scenario rarely happens.
This was based on a real life incident by Irish Traveler con artists.
@@denisenoe7927 Wow! I had no idea. Do you know what year the true story occured?
@@MatthewHarrisLawPLLC I’m 1992, the grifter claimed she was raped at a Disney World hotel.
Talk about "BUSTED"
This is why I always enjoyed SVU more than classic LaO. Bad guys got punished more often in SVU.
There's a certain irony to this. She tried to sell out her brother and sister in law to save herself and likely will serve a longer sentence than both of them
OMG 4:18..Olivia looks like she is about to flip a table!
It was one of the best SVU episodes.
Wow this episode was just on ION Television this morning lol
What’s the name of it
I find it funny that they gloss over that the detective protagonists are also at least somewhat responsible for Ramsey's death in this story.
This stuff happens often which is why you can't be so quick to judge people background especially without evidence💯
Stephanie march can read me my rights anytime preferably with those glasses on 🥰
6:45 The detective belongs behind bars as well because they're just as guilty as she is. Not once did they look into his side of the story and just arrested him.
So this is the early version of Amber Heard
LMAO
@julez13 what amber heard do
🙃🙃🙃, my head just hit the ground
Exactly, that's what I was thinking.😐
@@KJ-fl4jv She assaulted and beat up Johnny Depp to make herself out to be the victim
Hi, finally had time to subscribe been a fan it's an eye opener every episode thanks law & order for teaching me about the law
She never even made arraignment--but instead was MURDERED in the lockup.
Stabler and Benson BOTH had reprimand letters stuck in their respective jackets; Cragen had to give them both a week of administrative leave.
Thank you this makes me feel so much better
This episode made me so angry. That poor kid.
The smile from the DA as she says the poor guy was killed was not the right look.
As satisfying as this is, I find it highly doubtful they could actually convict her of manslaughter for Ramsey's death.
It was the county's job to protect him in prison, not hers. His crimes should not have been known to the general population in the first place, and if they were, he should've been in protective custody- especially after he reported being assaulted. Convicting her of manslaughter would open up a huge can of legal worms, with every convict angling to see the witnesses/victims of their crimes, legally harassed for the injuries they suffer in prison. It would never work.
It's a snitches get stitches thing in prison.
But yeah it's irritating that he didn't get protected.
If he hadn't been falsely accused, he wouldn't be in lock up, and therefore wouldn't need protection.
Alex and barba were awesome
Novak deserves her flowers too
She just confessed to the manslaughter charge with all the details. Bye bye Fiona ! Haa, ha ! I love this show .
I love the older episodes with Meloni Munch, Capt Florek, DA Cabot and Dr. Huang. I can't stand Carisi!
Me too that was the best seasons after that I just been watching him or I don't even watch the new seasons everything to me is good with the old seasons
I'm bummed Peter Stone left so soon
I also can't stand Amanda, Barba and the newer detective woman.
Pretty sure this clip is already uploaded cause I just saw yesterday.
EDIT: At least the second part.
“You’re good, but I’ve been taken in by better.”
😂😂😂😂
Can't wait to see Stabler back in April.
It won't be the same especially with these writers
Reminds me of the Mitchell and Webb Poirot sketch, "I was only guessing who it was, but once they do the evil voice I always know!"
We Law&Order fans need the complete Law&Order franchise on Hulu.... I adore binging on Law&Order series collections....
Hmm I don’t think this charge will hold very much water.
Her accent is beautiful.
WHO!?.
Yeah, its cute
The ending made me laugh. ANOTHER innocent victim killed because they lock them up in RIKERS😂 that's so stupid a legal process I cant help laughing.
My thoughts
1:33 OK, they're there
1:53 Oh, it's a sting!
What was goin thru ur mind when u were takin that beating?
How I was gonna spend all that money 💰😂😂
I think I just found the perfect channel to play in the background while I’m cleaning or playing Animal Crossing! Thanks, folks!
Ah yes animal crossing and heinous crimes go hand in hand.
The fact that the lady took the little girl out of the picture shows the NYPD cares about the child not going through the trauma of seeing their family arrested.
She was hit with an "UNO REVERSE CARD" LOL
Cabot is a human iceberg.
I love a scene w closure and this was as closed as it gets!!
It was driving me crazy, trying to remember where I’ve seen this actress! 🤔😲 she was Mark Walbergs (Mickey Ward) sister in The Fighter! She and Mark the only Wards in the big mixed family 🤗😊❤️🙏
Her way of talking heavily reminds me of the "Cash me outside how bout dat" girl lmao
So you catch her because the Justice system failed to protect someone in Jail? whatajoke
This show is iconic