great video. can not wait to get set up by you guys. your reviews on your web page is stellar. you make people smile and trust their ride. see you OCT 21 2024
Great video and explanation on front suspension design. Your wife’s comment at 9:12 is priceless. Ohlins suspensions were born on the race track. I personally won’t ride without them.
The Legends fork is a "closed cartridge" style. The cartridge is at the top reducing the chance of cavitation bubbles in the valve/shims. This is great for MX bikes with giant jumps and race bikes hitting bumps at super high speed. They are extra work to maintain and have seal drag in the design. The Ohlins shown is an "open cartridge" design. It's easier to adjust and has less seal drag. It's great for 99.9% of all bikes out today. Ohlins makes Closed Cartridge forks, but they are only for limited racing bikes. The shim stack on the Legends is not good. You should always have one super thin and narrow washer on the bottom against the valve. It's job is to lift the shims off the valve just a very small amount. The way Legends has the stack, the large shim will form a hydraulic lock against the valve making initial movement stiff. Same as picking a piece of paper off a desk quickly. You need a bit of room under the paper to let air get in, or it will stick to the desk. Sorry, but the Legends is a good design done poorly.
I know a couple of guys with Street Glides, both fitted Legends to the rear coz they read on line they were the best... both failed with months of fitment and had to be sent back to the US (from the UK) for repair, I fiited an Ohlins to mine and 100% perfect and transformed my spirted road riding 🙂
i tried a few bikes on legends and always sucked worse than just the original shocks from HD. now that i put ohlins on it was amazing. But i cant wait to go see Kevin and get front and bike done RIGHT!!!!
So person like me with no extensive mechanical knowledge but only can feel the performance of ride post to install ohlin suspension, how do i keep adjusting the valve on top without sacrificing the performance once you install the suspension?
I'm not racing my Harley or stunt riding on the street like an idiot so I am not paying twice the price for adjustments which are set once and done for a street bike. I can see why a race bike would run Ohlins because of changing track conditions but for someone who is looking for a great riding suspension on a budget, Legend is the way to go. I have Legends front and rear and the ride and handling is fantastic. Would Ohlins ride better, probably but i'm not paying twice or three times more to find out. See you out there.
Legend and Ohlins suspension costs really aren’t that far apart… Ohlins NIX 22 vs Legend Axeo is a difference of $32. Ohlins HD 044 vs Legend REVO ARC is a difference of $119. A total suspension build over $2k either brand with a total delta of $141. Ohlins $2655 vs Legend $2514. Averaged cost between the two makes $2584.50 which makes $141 a percentage differential of less than 6% of total cost. Given the numbers, Ohlins makes more sense.
what are you talking about they cost the about the same. I have had both now and legends suck and it was worse than what HD gives ya. seriously. People these days are beyond stupid. i just can not anymore. obviously you never bought them
Depending what your riding it makes a diffrence from stock. My wife and i ride 2 up. With the new shocks theres a diffrence in comfort. deffently recommend the upgrade.
you sound stupid saying that. I mean seriously he is explaining it to you. He makes his own shocks too.. now what other stupid comment will come. lmao ... people these days
And hope it measures correctly, if not you're either tearing it down to pull them out and try again or you're riding with less than optimal setup and negating the return on all the money you just spent.
@@Abraxxas1127I have legends on my streetglide even if I had ohlins I would need to remove the fairing/take the forks out to adjust them . The improvement over stock is amazing and would recommend either setup .
@@johnludmon510 i hated mine. ride was shit and air ride ones failed .... i put on ohlins and WOW... finally had a damn great ride. I will NEVER EVER buy another legend shock. I have front and rear.
@@ashebarley77385 The air ride I had to remove after it started leaking for the second time. The pumps fail which stopped me trusting it . I replaced them with Revo A and they have been fine once adjusted the fork cartridges work for me and have cut the excessive dive and are far better than stock.
@@gisoid Every state has shit streets. Like another stated with legends you set the preloaded before you put the forks together. Now from race track to the next you may want to change preload. Why disassemble the forks for each track. If you ride the same roads every day you probably don't want to mess with your forks that much. Tho if you want that ability to change preload easy all the time then go Ohlins. If you what something simple that is better then stock then go Legends.
Setting Preload is the reason 90% of riders get a cartage kit for a street bike.. Thats what I'm looking for in a cartage kit and I had no idea legends didn't have external preload adjustment.. Having suspension where you have to remove from the bike just to adjust it is self-defeating. At that point why not just buy a set of springs and heavier oil??? Oh, and you can't complain about people wanting race ready suspension when they being told they are buying race ready suspension for their bike.. Even if its just for a bar hopper.
Why though? Legend is only $141 less than a comparable front and rear Ohlins setup and with Ohlins, I can dial in my setup within minutes. I’ll ride 4 hours on the slab to hit the Dragon and Cherohala Skyway. If I can stop before jumping on 129 and tune my suspension for best handling of the situation (without taking forks apart to do so), then for $141 I consider that a complete and total win.
You had me at: having to tear apart the fork, for every adjustment. I'm glad that I found this. Thank you for your time.
I appreciate the clarity and insights into the differences between Legends and Ohlins.
Please do some more comparison's just loved it!
great video. can not wait to get set up by you guys. your reviews on your web page is stellar. you make people smile and trust their ride. see you OCT 21 2024
Great video and explanation on front suspension design. Your wife’s comment at 9:12 is priceless.
Ohlins suspensions were born on the race track. I personally won’t ride without them.
Outstanding video information, I will be talking to you soon about a full lift on 22 Street Glide Special 🏁
me to can not wait to go see him in Oct
Wow! Amazing info! Thank you!
The Legends fork is a "closed cartridge" style. The cartridge is at the top reducing the chance of cavitation bubbles in the valve/shims. This is great for MX bikes with giant jumps and race bikes hitting bumps at super high speed. They are extra work to maintain and have seal drag in the design. The Ohlins shown is an "open cartridge" design. It's easier to adjust and has less seal drag. It's great for 99.9% of all bikes out today. Ohlins makes Closed Cartridge forks, but they are only for limited racing bikes. The shim stack on the Legends is not good. You should always have one super thin and narrow washer on the bottom against the valve. It's job is to lift the shims off the valve just a very small amount. The way Legends has the stack, the large shim will form a hydraulic lock against the valve making initial movement stiff. Same as picking a piece of paper off a desk quickly. You need a bit of room under the paper to let air get in, or it will stick to the desk. Sorry, but the Legends is a good design done poorly.
Great info, legends on the back,ohins on the front,huge difference in the front adjustments 🍺🍺
That's the best choice, same here
I know a couple of guys with Street Glides, both fitted Legends to the rear coz they read on line they were the best... both failed with months of fitment and had to be sent back to the US (from the UK) for repair, I fiited an Ohlins to mine and 100% perfect and transformed my spirted road riding 🙂
i tried a few bikes on legends and always sucked worse than just the original shocks from HD. now that i put ohlins on it was amazing. But i cant wait to go see Kevin and get front and bike done RIGHT!!!!
So person like me with no extensive mechanical knowledge but only can feel the performance of ride post to install ohlin suspension, how do i keep adjusting the valve on top without sacrificing the performance once you install the suspension?
After watching this and now knowing you build your own 29mm and 32mm cartridge kits. Could you please compare your valves to Ohlins valves?
How do the Ohlins compare to GP? I’m leaning towards them for my 21 FXLRS but I’m still in the research phase.
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I'm not racing my Harley or stunt riding on the street like an idiot so I am not paying twice the price for adjustments which are set once and done for a street bike. I can see why a race bike would run Ohlins because of changing track conditions but for someone who is looking for a great riding suspension on a budget, Legend is the way to go. I have Legends front and rear and the ride and handling is fantastic. Would Ohlins ride better, probably but i'm not paying twice or three times more to find out. See you out there.
Legend and Ohlins suspension costs really aren’t that far apart… Ohlins NIX 22 vs Legend Axeo is a difference of $32. Ohlins HD 044 vs Legend REVO ARC is a difference of $119. A total suspension build over $2k either brand with a total delta of $141. Ohlins $2655 vs Legend $2514. Averaged cost between the two makes $2584.50 which makes $141 a percentage differential of less than 6% of total cost. Given the numbers, Ohlins makes more sense.
what are you talking about they cost the about the same. I have had both now and legends suck and it was worse than what HD gives ya. seriously. People these days are beyond stupid. i just can not anymore. obviously you never bought them
Depending what your riding it makes a diffrence from stock. My wife and i ride 2 up. With the new shocks theres a diffrence in comfort. deffently recommend the upgrade.
I probably would have taken more heed to this information if he wasn’t wearing an ohlins shirt
lol
you sound stupid saying that. I mean seriously he is explaining it to you. He makes his own shocks too.. now what other stupid comment will come. lmao ... people these days
Legendary JUNK!
You set legends preload by weight before you put it in there
And hope it measures correctly, if not you're either tearing it down to pull them out and try again or you're riding with less than optimal setup and negating the return on all the money you just spent.
@@Abraxxas1127I have legends on my streetglide even if I had ohlins I would need to remove the fairing/take the forks out to adjust them . The improvement over stock is amazing and would recommend either setup .
@@johnludmon510 i hated mine. ride was shit and air ride ones failed .... i put on ohlins and WOW... finally had a damn great ride. I will NEVER EVER buy another legend shock. I have front and rear.
@@ashebarley77385 The air ride I had to remove after it started leaking for the second time. The pumps fail which stopped me trusting it . I replaced them with Revo A and they have been fine once adjusted the fork cartridges work for me and have cut the excessive dive and are far better than stock.
Legend should of sent you some shirts.
Öhlins>all
Ohlins is by far superior
Adjustment requires disassembly? Wow, that is very nearly worthless.
Ive hears legends suspension is trash, but wow.
If you are racing, yes go with Ohlins. If you are just a daily rider everything thing he has said is shit.
What about aggressive street riding? CA has some shit streets.
@@gisoid Every state has shit streets. Like another stated with legends you set the preloaded before you put the forks together. Now from race track to the next you may want to change preload. Why disassemble the forks for each track. If you ride the same roads every day you probably don't want to mess with your forks that much. Tho if you want that ability to change preload easy all the time then go Ohlins. If you what something simple that is better then stock then go Legends.
Setting Preload is the reason 90% of riders get a cartage kit for a street bike.. Thats what I'm looking for in a cartage kit and I had no idea legends didn't have external preload adjustment.. Having suspension where you have to remove from the bike just to adjust it is self-defeating. At that point why not just buy a set of springs and heavier oil???
Oh, and you can't complain about people wanting race ready suspension when they being told they are buying race ready suspension for their bike.. Even if its just for a bar hopper.
Why though? Legend is only $141 less than a comparable front and rear Ohlins setup and with Ohlins, I can dial in my setup within minutes. I’ll ride 4 hours on the slab to hit the Dragon and Cherohala Skyway. If I can stop before jumping on 129 and tune my suspension for best handling of the situation (without taking forks apart to do so), then for $141 I consider that a complete and total win.
@@BrandonWest87 Well then I guess you have a Road Glide cus if you have a Street Glide your probably better off pulling the forks.
Ohlins by far the best