I learned Lascelles was a heavyweight of almost mythical proportions by the time this played out. A decorated WW1 soldier, he personally served George V, Edward VIII, George VI and then Elizabeth II. He had been in the thick of it for decades, so dealing with Townsend was a piece of cake.
@@mscott3918 Tommy was married to Joan Frances Vere Thesiger from 1920 until her death in 1971. They had 3 children together. But the series doesn't show it.
I know. It's one of my favorite scenes from the entire series. The flinty Lascelles with the pretty boy Townsend, one of the greatest juxtapositions of all time.
@Halli Day Well of course it is, what I love about it is not that it's nice, it's that it's so well played. A deliciously acted villain is much more enjoyable than a mildly interesting nice person. Doesn't mean I agree with it ;-)
Ally Santos I love him too. The ultimate courtier masterfully displayed here by pip torrens. I love how he steadfastly defends the Crown, to many a faults of course. I also love the subtle banter between him and the Queen Mother, which demonstrated many a times to know how to win battles at court. Superb.
Because although he is reserved and a bit of arse at times. He breathes out confidence, assurance of himself and controll. As a women whether you admit it or not, you are attracted to that part of him. This leaves you confused but it's not your fault. It's how you are wired.
He's a personification of control and lack of freedom, so in that way he's a Dom avatar. The's show's main drama, over and over again, is what the royals FEEL versus what they're (not) allowed to DO. They have everything we could ever want, except what they actually want. Tommy is the pivot-- the God-like voice who says no. Personally I find him loathsome.
I know we all love watching Tommy and all, but on an unrelated note, the casting in this show is exquisite. The looks, the mannerisms of the actual people are captured perfectly. I know I’m not alone in looking these people up online and seeing photos and reading up on them to find out if they get it right.
Actually I think Ben Miles was miscast as Peter Townsend. He first came to my attention in “Zen” and I thought he was a very attractive silver fox in that series. But he was nearly 20 years older than PT, who was in his late 30s. I don’t think dying his hair a heavy black succeeded in making Miles look younger; quite the opposite. He looks as old as Jared Harris playing Margaret’s father and I don’t think the dynamic gels with the 20-something Vanessa Kirby. The real Peter Townsend was matinee handsome, and the attraction was understandable. However, the gap with Margaret was nearly 20 years. The princess was barely out of her teens. The fact that she’d known Peter as a member of her father’s staff since she was 13 or 14 years old makes the romance more than a little predatory on Townsend’s part. Of course Margaret was Infatuated with this dashing homme du monde who was close to her father and in her orbit every day. The princesses were sheltered to the extreme and had no opportunity to meet age-appropriate boys who were suitable. Elizabeth got fixated on her dashing blond cousin when she was only 13, but at least Philip was only five years older, not 18 years older and a divorced father of two. What was Peter playing at, making time with the teenage daughter of his employer- An emotionally fragile girl who had just lost her father and who had daddy issues? Margaret was beautiful and lively, but she was almost a child. Of course she loved Peter, or thought she did, because he was practically the only man she knew and became the repository for all her schoolgirl fantasies. For his part, she was attractive because she was forbidden fruit, Who just happened to be second in line for the British throne. His motives seem to have been less than pure. After Margaret had waited for him for several years and was past 25, the couple had to break up. Swiftly Townsend replaced Margaret with a 19-year-old Belgian girl, so he liked them young. I know princess Margaret remained fixated on Townsend for the rest of her life, and she chose dreadfully on the rebound. But I don’t honestly think that a marriage between her and Townsend would’ve worked in the end. But because it never took place, both parties could blame their failed futures on being thwarted in love. It was highly romanticized in the press at the time, but if we look at their relationship dispassionately, it’s more than a little gross.
@@Eddy_Kusanagi theyre from the royal family and if elizabeth allowed them peter and margaret to marry then it wouldve breached rules such as marrying a divorcee. during elizabeth's coronation, she made oaths and stuff so if she allowed them to marry then it wouldve been a scandal and very risky. if they did end up marrying, then margaret would be stripped of royalty and lose her income
London Calling I feel like most of her reputation was formed after she split with Peter. After she became depressed and was often trying to do anything that would patch up the hole she felt.
@@sks17873 At the end not even her high-society acolytes could put up with her shenanigans, which in large part were the results of the substance-abuse addled mind typical of anyone in life who stays too long at the party. Oddly enough, given her previous outbursts, her one mainstay at the end was an Irish horsetrainer, Ned Ryan, who was nicknamed "The Sherpa" because of his social-climbing abilities. Horsey people provided a commonsensical social world for her sister, and at the end Margaret seems to have benefited a bit from that.
Camilla and Charles were destined to be...they would have married one day either way. Megnuts and Harry are the real issue today. Camilla and Charles have respect and Camilla never bi*ched against the RF and works her elderly butt of now. That they werent allowed to get married in the first place was the start of the drama and then everyone involved made it worse. None of them did everything right.
Pip Torrens who plays Lascelles is so intimidating and hard in this role that I wondered what he was like as a person. Video interviews show him to be generous in praise for others, such as the writers of "The Crown", which helps explain his illustrious career. I love every minute that he's on screen in that series!
Notice the lighting of the scene. Townsend cast in light, the light of innocence and truth. Lascelles, whom I admire and respect immensely, cast in shadowy darkness, malevolent and sinister. What a wonderful touch of directorial brilliance.
Tommy Lascelles to the Windsors is like Tywin Lannisters to the Targaryens. Cold, calculating, frank, laconic, effective, and of course lets not forget, unflatteringly scary to the point that both men's stern gaze sucks the entire air out of a room. They are the best advisors and the best of kings despite never wearing or ever wanting to wear a crown.
You know he had zero political function or power? He's a PR man with an exaggerated sense of his importance due to the exaggerated importance of the family he works for. His job is to manage the servants for a superfluous person with whom the ACTUAL political leaders had to set aside times for meetings and otherwise interfere with their actual running of the country. Tywin and Petyr might be scumbags and bad political actors who brought disaster to Westeros, but at least they served real functions.
The staging of this scene is so remarkable. The army of shadowed men looming over the table, with Tommy in the center. The lighting of Peter as if he's a criminal in a police interrogation room. Just perfection.
If i were a modern royalty, i would have loved tommy lascelle to be part of the royal house as well. He is essentially the integrity of the crown, unbending and abides by the rules even if era an times changes. He's one of those that deserves eternal life just to preserve the integrity of the crown
its a doubled edge sword a stick that is unwilling to bend might find it self breaking apart time changes and rules and morals also change if everyone in the royal family is like tommy lascelle its almost a garunteed that the royal family will find its way out lets not forget the only difference the tsar and british royalty is that one is an absolute monarchy that refuse to share and use direct and hard lever of power to shape national policy somtime against the people will while another does not get involve directly or have any real significant power and more like a gurdian of the nation against rogue polititian.
He was one of my fave characters, he was always on the righteous side of life and didnt show any biases. He’s loyalty wasnt on people but on what was right. When he replaced charteris after elizabeth was crowned i wan’t a fan yet but when he gave the right advises to the queen, i was like wooow, it’s like he basically ran the country for a while there.
Car, Townsend ... Waiting ... tick, tick, tick. Instant classic. I'm trying to find a proper situation where I could use this to someone I know. Perhaps ... Car, Mom/Dad ... Waiting ... Tick, tick, tick. LMFAO!
Lascelles comes across as a bit of Myrcroft Holmes--that guy behind the scenes who holds all the strings, knows all the secrets, and takes no bs from anyone.
23/39 wasn't that unusual- maybe pushing it just a bit for the era. But it was the divorced part that provided the official, and probably to a degree substantive, problem, in keeping with the formal mores of the day. Probably they also considered Townsend a bit of a cad and Margaret a bit of a flake, the latter to be protected from the former. In retrospect, she was a vamp in final training, so maybe it was good to keep them apart but not quite for the reason of protecting her.
@@randomobserver8168 And Tony was better??? Strongly disagree with your assessment. Peter worked for Margaret's father and did have a history with the family. Your statement is idiotic. Peter and Margaret loved each other and waited years for each other. He was a decent man.
I don't know if this break-up with Townsend caused Margaret's downfall. She fell into excessive drinking, smoking, and pill-abuse--none of which helped her. She died at age 71 from this kind of physical abuse to her body.
it most definitely contributed as she was already fragile and jealous of not being the queen. for as much alcohol and drugs plus the smoking she did its surprising she made it to 71. her father George VI was a heavy smoker like her and he only lived to his early 50s.
@@leobuscaglia5576 I was only doing the comparison to her father to show how her lifestyle, much like her father’s lead to a shortened lifespan. look at her sister the queen, she’s 95 and still going strong, makes you wonder how long she might’ve lived without the smoking, alcohol and drugs.
She was a chain smoker from the age of 15. And if she loved Peter so much she would have give up her royal privileges. Sorry if I made mistakes, I'm not an English person.
Considering how much more of a mess Margaret's next relationship ended up, you think Lascelles and the Queen regretted this? At least he was a reputable and well respected officer.
Not so respected after he stepped out on his wife and children, though. Margaret was a bit of a loose cannon, tbh. She didn't have anything to do, which was the real mistake they made. There just wasn't the machinery in place to give her a meaningful role. Plus, the Church of England had some pretty stiff rules in place about the remarriage of divorced people. With royals, they also had to contend with laws governing who they could marry. It put Elizabeth in an impossible position as titular head of the church. All this Townsend would have known, too, which makes his actions in this even more reprehensible. His unforgivable sin in Tommy's eyes was making trouble for the Crown.
The issue wasn’t with Peter personally. The issue was the Queen was fairly new to the role and a marriage between Peter and Princess Margaret would required her to do battle with Parliament and the Church. This wasn’t even twenty years after the abdication. The public needed to be assured that they weren’t getting another monarch that played by her own rules.
Margaret was free to marry Peter as a private citizen. She chose her title and tiaras over him. Lascelles served 4 monarchs as private secretary. The policy he is enforcing here was not of his making. He's doing his job, exceptionally well.
At the time the key issue was the divorce aspect. The monarch is the" Defender of the Faith and Supreme Governor of the Church of England". In those circumstances it was simply not possible for the monarch's sister to marry Townsend or otherwise liaise with him. And yes, Royal standards have dropped since then and the public has largely accepted that.
bs - Henry 8th his divorced wives, executed his wives - first head of the Church of England - royal standards -- give me a break - oh ! and stole lands , murdered monks....
I just looked up the REAL Alan "Tommy" Lascelles....holy shit the casting for him in The Crown was spot on....just like Charles Dance was cast as Lord Mountbatten on the show 🙂
Tommy is so bloody great!! He comes across as so stern and not very nice but I think this is because he was so devoted to his job to protect the queen which is in and of itself admirable!!🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧❤️❤️❤️
Not to protect the queen but the monarchy - a big difference. He'd not have hesitated to destroy Elizabeth if that is what it took to save the institution. Tommy never loved or admired any person - he's actually portrayed as a classic psychopath.
His paternal grandfather was an Earl and his maternal grandfather was a Baron. His first cousin was married to Princess Mary (sister of Edward VIII and George VI). He was also a veteran of World War I.
I feel so sorry for Townsend here-he was soooo sure he would be her husband,how much trust he had.All of them were ridiculously let down.Gosh imagine the suffering and for what?Now divorce is so commonplace,the Queen consort is a divorcee.The King himself is one as well!Margerets sacrifice is for naught.She was born in the wrong time😭and She and Townsend paid the ultimate price
Can someone explain this to me: Elizabeth made a promise to her sister Margaret that she would at least allow her and Townsend about 48 hours to see each other before he would be posted to Brussels. So what made her change her mind? What made her decide to break her promise to her sister?
She never had the authority. Her advisors told her that nonsense hoping that young Margert would move on to someone else during the 2 years, especially with Peter in Belgium. Keep in mind that Margaret was always free to marry Peter, as a commoner. She chose her tiaras and title over him.
Imagine how Lascelles would have felt watching the Charles and Diana thing play out in the 90s. He died a couple of weeks after they got married so he missed all of that
Townsend was already divorced by the time that margaret wanted to marry him and divorce in the english church was frowned upon to the point where it was seen as almost an illegal act. townsend being divorced and wanting to marry a member of the queen's family was seen as even worse as the queen is seen as the head of the church. laws that forbade royal marriage to a divorcee was what kept them apart and in fact was a major factor in the abdication of Edward VIII the uncle of elizabeth and king before her father. Tony was single and not divorced and at that point they seemed truly in love. as marriage was seen as a permanent construct, they wouldve been expected to stay married and learn to live and love each other. so the marriage was permitted within the law and the social norm of royalty at that point.
I’m sure some people hate him, man there were scenes I hated him too but there is no question that Tommy was fiercely loyal to the crown, he wasn’t loyal to people but to the institution they represented. And he did a damn good job.
He was very loyal to people. He and Elizabeth's father were extremely close, and he was a loving husband and father. His close friends also remained so all his life.
@@jimmy2k4o it was probably for drama purposes, all I've read about Townsend was that he was cautious and respectful. And he hated the way the media went on about them and following him and Princess Margaret around.
I so wish Lascelles would have been around for Charles and Diana and the 3rd member of the marriage, Camilla. And just imagine what he'd have done the first 2 seconds he laid eyes on magen 🤣🤣🤣 Harry would never have known what hit him and his relationship.
He entered into that role so reluctantly too. He'd served under Edward for 9 long years, hated him with a passion, left, was asked to come back by the King whom Tommy liked so he did...2 months later the King died and he was back working for Edward again! Miserable, and watched him assemble an entourage of Nazis and creeps, so much so that Tommy was relieved when he abdicated. He and Bertie were very close from then on. He cared so much about the institution of the monarchy, but aside from Edward, he cared for the family as well.
Could you imagine how quickly he would have resolved the Camilla situation
that would've been awesome
He would have never allowed that grotesque misalliance of Charles and Diana.
Damn I wish he were alive, for Charles and Camilla
I am imagining how Lascelles would handle Megxit.
Imagine if he were King!
I learned Lascelles was a heavyweight of almost mythical proportions by the time this played out. A decorated WW1 soldier, he personally served George V, Edward VIII, George VI and then Elizabeth II. He had been in the thick of it for decades, so dealing with Townsend was a piece of cake.
Imagine how easy Camilla would have been then😳
He was also a very closeted homosexual.
@@mscott3918 Tommy was married to Joan Frances Vere Thesiger from 1920 until her death in 1971. They had 3 children together. But the series doesn't show it.
Townsend was a war hero, a fighter ace. In reality compared man to man, Tommy was nothing in comparison.
@@mscott3918 as were many great men.
“Car, Townsend...tick, tick, tick”
You could feel the influence, control, and authority - all in one line.
What does this sentence mean? I haven’t been able to watch the series, only these short clips on YT. Thanks!
@@sallywhite7678, it means the car is ready for Townsend.
@@santino1196 i honestly thought it was a threat of putting a pipe bomb in his glovebox
I know. It's one of my favorite scenes from the entire series. The flinty Lascelles with the pretty boy Townsend, one of the greatest juxtapositions of all time.
@@corlyssd Townsend was no mere pretty boy. How was YOUR war service ?
He is so dry he could sponge clean the Atlantic 😂 What a great performance!!!
Sir Alan does appear that way. Love the expression btw. :)
Yes. I love his short sentences that speak volumes.
😂😂😂
@Halli Day Well of course it is, what I love about it is not that it's nice, it's that it's so well played. A deliciously acted villain is much more enjoyable than a mildly interesting nice person. Doesn't mean I agree with it ;-)
Tommy you're the man
Every scene that Tommy was in, he is in complete control. Pip Torrens is a great actor!
Why am I so in love with this Tommy lad? I am utterly attracted to every inch of stiffness and refinement.
Ally Santos I love him too. The ultimate courtier masterfully displayed here by pip torrens. I love how he steadfastly defends the Crown, to many a faults of course. I also love the subtle banter between him and the Queen Mother, which demonstrated many a times to know how to win battles at court. Superb.
*cough* so to speak...
Because although he is reserved and a bit of arse at times. He breathes out confidence, assurance of himself and controll. As a women whether you admit it or not, you are attracted to that part of him. This leaves you confused but it's not your fault. It's how you are wired.
@@Jeffery-Vanity-Blofield Hey Shaba, 1950 wants its bullshit back.
He's a personification of control and lack of freedom, so in that way he's a Dom avatar. The's show's main drama, over and over again, is what the royals FEEL versus what they're (not) allowed to DO. They have everything we could ever want, except what they actually want. Tommy is the pivot-- the God-like voice who says no. Personally I find him loathsome.
Tommy looked angry after Peter refered to Margaret as the woman he loves. He must have reminded him of the Duke of Windsor.
Tommy is just a secretary a looser thought he could boss prince Phillip around when Phillip was above him
You're right about the reminder of Duke of Windsor. It's one of the many subtleties in the screenplay.
I know we all love watching Tommy and all, but on an unrelated note, the casting in this show is exquisite. The looks, the mannerisms of the actual people are captured perfectly.
I know I’m not alone in looking these people up online and seeing photos and reading up on them to find out if they get it right.
Actually I think Ben Miles was miscast as Peter Townsend. He first came to my attention in “Zen” and I thought he was a very attractive silver fox in that series. But he was nearly 20 years older than PT, who was in his late 30s. I don’t think dying his hair a heavy black succeeded in making Miles look younger; quite the opposite. He looks as old as Jared Harris playing Margaret’s father and I don’t think the dynamic gels with the 20-something Vanessa Kirby. The real Peter Townsend was matinee handsome, and the attraction was understandable. However, the gap with Margaret was nearly 20 years. The princess was barely out of her teens. The fact that she’d known Peter as a member of her father’s staff since she was 13 or 14 years old makes the romance more than a little predatory on Townsend’s part. Of course Margaret was Infatuated with this dashing homme du monde who was close to her father and in her orbit every day. The princesses were sheltered to the extreme and had no opportunity to meet age-appropriate boys who were suitable. Elizabeth got fixated on her dashing blond cousin when she was only 13, but at least Philip was only five years older, not 18 years older and a divorced father of two. What was Peter playing at, making time with the teenage daughter of his employer- An emotionally fragile girl who had just lost her father and who had daddy issues? Margaret was beautiful and lively, but she was almost a child. Of course she loved Peter, or thought she did, because he was practically the only man she knew and became the repository for all her schoolgirl fantasies. For his part, she was attractive because she was forbidden fruit, Who just happened to be second in line for the British throne. His motives seem to have been less than pure. After Margaret had waited for him for several years and was past 25, the couple had to break up. Swiftly Townsend replaced Margaret with a 19-year-old Belgian girl, so he liked them young. I know princess Margaret remained fixated on Townsend for the rest of her life, and she chose dreadfully on the rebound. But I don’t honestly think that a marriage between her and Townsend would’ve worked in the end. But because it never took place, both parties could blame their failed futures on being thwarted in love. It was highly romanticized in the press at the time, but if we look at their relationship dispassionately, it’s more than a little gross.
In reality, Townsend dodged a bullet not marrying her.
Dude please explain, I love UK history
@@Eddy_Kusanagi theyre from the royal family and if elizabeth allowed them peter and margaret to marry then it wouldve breached rules such as marrying a divorcee. during elizabeth's coronation, she made oaths and stuff so if she allowed them to marry then it wouldve been a scandal and very risky. if they did end up marrying, then margaret would be stripped of royalty and lose her income
@@Eddy_Kusanagi She turned out to be very difficult as a wife and friend.
London Calling I feel like most of her reputation was formed after she split with Peter. After she became depressed and was often trying to do anything that would patch up the hole she felt.
@@sks17873 At the end not even her high-society acolytes could put up with her shenanigans, which in large part were the results of the substance-abuse addled mind typical of anyone in life who stays too long at the party. Oddly enough, given her previous outbursts, her one mainstay at the end was an Irish horsetrainer, Ned Ryan, who was nicknamed "The Sherpa" because of his social-climbing abilities. Horsey people provided a commonsensical social world for her sister, and at the end Margaret seems to have benefited a bit from that.
Pip Torrens is probably the most under-rated actor in the UK. Never seen that man put it a dud performance ever.
He's great as George's uncle in Poldark. Same kind of asshole but money, not the crown, is his idol.
You're probably right.
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Tommy was cold blooded! I love the scenes with Pip Torrens….his voice, demeanor, and no bullshit attitude are brilliant
He was loyal to the 4 monarchs he served. He just did his job exceptionally well.
0:06 Peter: I understand you’re only trying to do your job.
Tommy: -_-
Tommy is by far my favourite character in the show.
Mine too, without a doubt. Pip Torrens OWNED this series!
Easily!
Yes, he was a terrific villain.
My god, if only he was around to send Camilla far far away.
Or Smegma.
Or Diana after Squidgygate.
Camilla and Charles were destined to be...they would have married one day either way. Megnuts and Harry are the real issue today. Camilla and Charles have respect and Camilla never bi*ched against the RF and works her elderly butt of now. That they werent allowed to get married in the first place was the start of the drama and then everyone involved made it worse. None of them did everything right.
Pip Torrens who plays Lascelles is so intimidating and hard in this role that I wondered what he was like as a person. Video interviews show him to be generous in praise for others, such as the writers of "The Crown", which helps explain his illustrious career. I love every minute that he's on screen in that series!
Notice the lighting of the scene. Townsend cast in light, the light of innocence and truth. Lascelles, whom I admire and respect immensely, cast in shadowy darkness, malevolent and sinister. What a wonderful touch of directorial brilliance.
Tommy Lascelles to the Windsors is like Tywin Lannisters to the Targaryens. Cold, calculating, frank, laconic, effective, and of course lets not forget, unflatteringly scary to the point that both men's stern gaze sucks the entire air out of a room.
They are the best advisors and the best of kings despite never wearing or ever wanting to wear a crown.
more like peter baelish
@@Legollas-1 Baelish is a small man who casts a big shadow. No one would notice him when he enters the room. Not at all like Lascelles.
Tommy Lascelles was Elizabeth the 2nd’s Sir Francis Walsingham. 😂
You know he had zero political function or power? He's a PR man with an exaggerated sense of his importance due to the exaggerated importance of the family he works for. His job is to manage the servants for a superfluous person with whom the ACTUAL political leaders had to set aside times for meetings and otherwise interfere with their actual running of the country. Tywin and Petyr might be scumbags and bad political actors who brought disaster to Westeros, but at least they served real functions.
In fact, a Thomas Cromwell. A good summary of the character as portrayed.
Car Townsend 😂
what does this mean?
Tic, tic, tic.
@@PostWarKids he's simply letting him know that the car is waiting for him. "Car, Townsend... waiting... tick, tick, tick"
@@PostWarKids Possibly a Car Bomb with a clock, Tic,Tic,Tic
The staging of this scene is so remarkable. The army of shadowed men looming over the table, with Tommy in the center. The lighting of Peter as if he's a criminal in a police interrogation room. Just perfection.
If i were a modern royalty, i would have loved tommy lascelle to be part of the royal house as well. He is essentially the integrity of the crown, unbending and abides by the rules even if era an times changes. He's one of those that deserves eternal life just to preserve the integrity of the crown
its a doubled edge sword a stick that is unwilling to bend might find it self breaking apart time changes and rules and morals also change if everyone in the royal family is like tommy lascelle its almost a garunteed that the royal family will find its way out lets not forget the only difference the tsar and british royalty is that one is an absolute monarchy that refuse to share and use direct and hard lever of power to shape national policy somtime against the people will while another does not get involve directly or have any real significant power and more like a gurdian of the nation against rogue polititian.
He was one of my fave characters, he was always on the righteous side of life and didnt show any biases. He’s loyalty wasnt on people but on what was right. When he replaced charteris after elizabeth was crowned i wan’t a fan yet but when he gave the right advises to the queen, i was like wooow, it’s like he basically ran the country for a while there.
Everytime Tommy showed up you knew stuff was about to happen.
That slight delay before the last “tick” enunciated with such smug venom… just absolute gold. 😂
Tommy's a badass. I respect him.
The casting was absolutely spot on . Every character has a rich quality in this series and very believable
Tommy Lascelles is most favourite character from the show
Could you imagine Tommy dealing with the monticito duo 😂😂😂
Torrens is such an incredible actor!
Car, Townsend ... Waiting ... tick, tick, tick.
Instant classic. I'm trying to find a proper situation where I could use this to someone I know.
Perhaps ...
Car, Mom/Dad ... Waiting ... Tick, tick, tick.
LMFAO!
Excellent performance.
Tommy is a thermonuclear fist in a velvet glove
Pip Torrens knocked this performance out of the park!!!
Lascelles comes across as a bit of Myrcroft Holmes--that guy behind the scenes who holds all the strings, knows all the secrets, and takes no bs from anyone.
Imagine, both in same room!
The Crown was powerful, but Sir Tommy Lascelles possess a different kind of power that he can literally pull strings.
He serves the sovereign and whatever he said or did, it was at their request or with their blessing.
Let's be real, Peter has no business dating someone 16 years his junior. Then he trades her in for someone even younger.
Margaret was living with her mother after her father died, the Queen Mother should've put her foot down and stopped the affair from taking place.
Tell that Prince Charles....
Margaret loved him.Why does age matter??
23/39 wasn't that unusual- maybe pushing it just a bit for the era. But it was the divorced part that provided the official, and probably to a degree substantive, problem, in keeping with the formal mores of the day. Probably they also considered Townsend a bit of a cad and Margaret a bit of a flake, the latter to be protected from the former. In retrospect, she was a vamp in final training, so maybe it was good to keep them apart but not quite for the reason of protecting her.
@@randomobserver8168 And Tony was better??? Strongly disagree with your assessment. Peter worked for Margaret's father and did have a history with the family. Your statement is idiotic. Peter and Margaret loved each other and waited years for each other. He was a decent man.
Pip Torrens would be perfect as Alfred Pennyworth in any future DC movies.
Alfred Pennyworth did work at Buckingham Palace
Oh my god, if I were there I would’ve buried myself... eye contact alone with such a gigantic personality would’ve burned anyone alive
Lascelles love this guy he had no time for bullshit! He told it how it was one of my favourite characters on the crown 😂
I don't know if this break-up with Townsend caused Margaret's downfall. She fell into excessive drinking, smoking, and pill-abuse--none of which helped her. She died at age 71 from this kind of physical abuse to her body.
it most definitely contributed as she was already fragile and jealous of not being the queen. for as much alcohol and drugs plus the smoking she did its surprising she made it to 71. her father George VI was a heavy smoker like her and he only lived to his early 50s.
@@iangraham6887 Women generally live longer than men so it makes sense that she outlived her father inspite of her hedonistic lifestyle.
@@leobuscaglia5576 I was only doing the comparison to her father to show how her lifestyle, much like her father’s lead to a shortened lifespan. look at her sister the queen, she’s 95 and still going strong, makes you wonder how long she might’ve lived without the smoking, alcohol and drugs.
She was a chain smoker from the age of 15. And if she loved Peter so much she would have give up her royal privileges.
Sorry if I made mistakes, I'm not an English person.
Considering how much more of a mess Margaret's next relationship ended up, you think Lascelles and the Queen regretted this? At least he was a reputable and well respected officer.
Not so respected after he stepped out on his wife and children, though.
Margaret was a bit of a loose cannon, tbh. She didn't have anything to do, which was the real mistake they made. There just wasn't the machinery in place to give her a meaningful role. Plus, the Church of England had some pretty stiff rules in place about the remarriage of divorced people. With royals, they also had to contend with laws governing who they could marry. It put Elizabeth in an impossible position as titular head of the church. All this Townsend would have known, too, which makes his actions in this even more reprehensible. His unforgivable sin in Tommy's eyes was making trouble for the Crown.
The issue wasn’t with Peter personally. The issue was the Queen was fairly new to the role and a marriage between Peter and Princess Margaret would required her to do battle with Parliament and the Church. This wasn’t even twenty years after the abdication. The public needed to be assured that they weren’t getting another monarch that played by her own rules.
Margaret was free to marry Peter as a private citizen.
She chose her title and tiaras over him.
Lascelles served 4 monarchs as private secretary. The policy he is enforcing here was not of his making. He's doing his job, exceptionally well.
Tommy is always just so funny. “Car. Waiting. ‘
Tommy is a BEAST
I just love his authoritative nature
“Car, Townshend. Waiting. Tick… tick… … tick.” 😂😂😂 the man was a legend.
At the time the key issue was the divorce aspect. The monarch is the" Defender of the Faith and Supreme Governor of the Church of England". In those circumstances it was simply not possible for the monarch's sister to marry Townsend or otherwise liaise with him. And yes, Royal standards have dropped since then and the public has largely accepted that.
bs - Henry 8th his divorced wives, executed his wives - first head of the Church of England - royal standards -- give me a break - oh ! and stole lands , murdered monks....
@@dalek3086and if you do not see why that is precisely the reason they were being cautious and going by the book, you're obtuse.
He referred to him as Peter when correcting him, but as TownsEND when showing him the door.
"Car, Townsend... Waiting... Tick, tick, tíck'. Words of a killer :O
Ahahah he is the best
I just looked up the REAL Alan "Tommy" Lascelles....holy shit the casting for him in The Crown was spot on....just like Charles Dance was cast as Lord Mountbatten on the show 🙂
Tommy is so bloody great!! He comes across as so stern and not very nice but I think this is because he was so devoted to his job to protect the queen which is in and of itself admirable!!🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧❤️❤️❤️
Not to protect the queen but the monarchy - a big difference. He'd not have hesitated to destroy Elizabeth if that is what it took to save the institution. Tommy never loved or admired any person - he's actually portrayed as a classic psychopath.
Peter Townsend is a beatiful actor🤤
Tommy Lascelles is such a legend. His diary is amazing.
Yes! Reading that now, what a remarkable man.
We need more tommy
History has been so unkind on this man he cared above all for the Royal Family and Great Britain
Who, Peter, lol?
Tommy had ice water running through his veins 😵
His paternal grandfather was an Earl and his maternal grandfather was a Baron. His first cousin was married to Princess Mary (sister of Edward VIII and George VI). He was also a veteran of World War I.
The establishment was scared of another Edward and Wallis problem. History repeating.
Tommy is dad. Marge, Petsey, "David Duke" Windsor are the children
The four badass Tommy’s of all-time: the Rugrat, GTA, the Green Power Ranger, and last but not least, The Crown.
Tommy Shelby
Pip Torrens, fn Pip Torrens!!! BRILLIANT
Oh Peter, you tried it🤣
I feel so sorry for Townsend here-he was soooo sure he would be her husband,how much trust he had.All of them were ridiculously let down.Gosh imagine the suffering and for what?Now divorce is so commonplace,the Queen consort is a divorcee.The King himself is one as well!Margerets sacrifice is for naught.She was born in the wrong time😭and She and Townsend paid the ultimate price
The last time I looked the Queen was still alive. So please don't bury her pre-maturely. It's incredibly rude.
I liked peter he was the star of the show even when he gets a short camera time haha
Can someone explain this to me:
Elizabeth made a promise to her sister Margaret that she would at least allow her and Townsend about 48 hours to see each other before he would be posted to Brussels. So what made her change her mind? What made her decide to break her promise to her sister?
She never had the authority. Her advisors told her that nonsense hoping that young Margert would move on to someone else during the 2 years, especially with Peter in Belgium.
Keep in mind that Margaret was always free to marry Peter, as a commoner. She chose her tiaras and title over him.
I would love to see how he dealt with Harry.
Gosh we need his ilk. Now.
This clip doesn't show a "well meaning" Bon Voyage bij Tommy to Peter. It made me laugh.
Lascalles was a sort of modern day Sir Francis Walsingham who served the first Elizabeth.
Good comparison 👏
Yes, but Lascelles served 4 monarchs. He was remarkable. Not that Walsingham wasn't too, just different men.
Tommy complete nail it
“Car, Townsend...
Waiting...”
"Tick... tick... Tick."
Great scene by both guys
"There is a momentum for us". Wow just wow. Well I got my next pick up line 😜😜😜
I believe that should read 'immediately'.
I’ve only just realised how skeletal his face is (Townsend)
Mrs Bennet, Miss Bennet, Miss Bennet and Missss Bennet ... P&P 2005
But could he have handled Keith Moon?
Townsend: [is a war hero who loves a woman]
Lascelles: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Lascelles sends Townsend out of the town.
Imagine how Lascelles would have felt watching the Charles and Diana thing play out in the 90s. He died a couple of weeks after they got married so he missed all of that
He was better than the guy later married her. I wonder why they didn't oppose then.
Townsend was already divorced by the time that margaret wanted to marry him and divorce in the english church was frowned upon to the point where it was seen as almost an illegal act. townsend being divorced and wanting to marry a member of the queen's family was seen as even worse as the queen is seen as the head of the church. laws that forbade royal marriage to a divorcee was what kept them apart and in fact was a major factor in the abdication of Edward VIII the uncle of elizabeth and king before her father. Tony was single and not divorced and at that point they seemed truly in love. as marriage was seen as a permanent construct, they wouldve been expected to stay married and learn to live and love each other. so the marriage was permitted within the law and the social norm of royalty at that point.
I have altered the deal, pray I do not alter it any further.
Hahaha that's perfect. 😂
Sir Alan is super cool
He really was. Reading his diary and wow, what an interesting man.
Tommy is the man.
You know Peter Townsend was a Battle of Britain fighter ace...I wonder what mr royal bureaucrat was doing then? SOBs should have called him sir.
Lascelles was a veteran of World War I and awarded the Military Cross for his combat service in France.
Yes point taken...its the way the talked to him that put me off...oh well.
Tommy fought in both wars, and served 4 monarchs.
Does that clear things up for you??
See my earlier reply.
Oh... THAT Pete Townsend...
480p?
rather like Mike Ehrmantraut telling Walter White "...you are a time bomb, tick, tick, ticking. And I have no intention of being around for the boom."
I’m sure some people hate him, man there were scenes I hated him too but there is no question that Tommy was fiercely loyal to the crown, he wasn’t loyal to people but to the institution they represented. And he did a damn good job.
He was very loyal to people. He and Elizabeth's father were extremely close, and he was a loving husband and father. His close friends also remained so all his life.
Outraged he called him "Tommy."
I bet this Peter Townsend can’t even play guitar.
He never went to Brussels he joined The Who.
I wonder how things would have turned out had Margaret and Townsend married.
She had the option to marry him as a private citizen.
She chose her title and tiaras.
I didn’t understand the end bit.
Townsend was a creep. He had Margaret wrapped around his finger.
I never knew that he was in the RAF before joining The Who
So sad and unfair.
It's a sad thing about how the romance never did fruition.
Though he did call the Queen “lilybet”
He was becoming more arrogant every second.
@@jimmy2k4o it was probably for drama purposes, all I've read about Townsend was that he was cautious and respectful. And he hated the way the media went on about them and following him and Princess Margaret around.
Tommy is strong af
I so wish Lascelles would have been around for Charles and Diana and the 3rd member of the marriage, Camilla. And just imagine what he'd have done the first 2 seconds he laid eyes on magen 🤣🤣🤣 Harry would never have known what hit him and his relationship.
I thought at first Pete Townsend as in the music artist/manager. Funny how minds think isn't it?
Tommy was the one running that palace l
He entered into that role so reluctantly too. He'd served under Edward for 9 long years, hated him with a passion, left, was asked to come back by the King whom Tommy liked so he did...2 months later the King died and he was back working for Edward again! Miserable, and watched him assemble an entourage of Nazis and creeps, so much so that Tommy was relieved when he abdicated. He and Bertie were very close from then on. He cared so much about the institution of the monarchy, but aside from Edward, he cared for the family as well.
I don’t understand - what was mean by the tic tic tic ?
I subtle hint for him to get going, a polite 'bugger off' i expect! 😉
Clock is ticking, time's a wasting, so get moving. They were rushing him out of the country at top speed.
Peetah. The best scene in series 😜