I love the idea of the Heralds being tortured is just having to do a podcast together and the reason Taln was able to last 4000 years was because he finally had some peace and quiet and he only finally broke the exact minute that Chana popped up and he had to deal with her again
@@Tower_Of_Chaos theory correction then: Taln is so incredibly annoying that he himself thought that was 'just a good fun talk' but Chana broke when she came in again and he started with "Oh my god Chana, you wont BELIEVE what happened since we last met!"
@@thescyle1951 The new storm is what allowed the desolation. No herald broke. The oathpact wouldnt even work at this point if all the heralds went back
@@mrjuderaw87 Wrong. A Herald breaking is what allowed any and all Heralds on Braize to Return once more, which is why Taln Returns in the Way of Kings epilogue. "Any and all."
23:22 "I have come to accept that she must have something set up for herself that just works for him too on that ship" Yeah, it's the map; the "take me to your planet" map on the floor. Same reason why Shai drew a map of Scadrial in TLM.
I was at a panel and they spent about 10 minutes discussing the lift dragon theory nobody ever clarified where it came from! Then at the Q&A, Brandon immediately rejected it and I was so confused.
Having Alyx on is such a gift. She may claim not to be a WoB person, but was lowkey coming up with the best explanations while everyone else was flailing in the deep weeds. #DierisZane'sspike
19:38 I have always thought of Forgery as like Hemalurgy in that it's more a craft than it is an innate power. Theoretically, anyone in the from MaiPon can do it, but only those who had the dedication to learn the "codes" actually do. I feel like save for the Elantrians, this was how it works for Selish Investiture as evidenced by how those who can use Dakhor really just need to be from Fjordell and be chosen by the monks to undergo the ritual
To Ian’s complaint about the Sibling manifesting physically as normal matter: In the Cosmere, investiture is a fourth state of existence alongside matter and energy, is it not? So while the most natural solid form of the Sibling’s investiture might be godmetals, because it’s still investiture that way, they could conceivably turn it into normal matter like steel and iron as well, in the same way that, while the easiest solid form for water to take would be ice, one could also conceive of rearranging the subatomic particles from the water to create anything at all. It’d presumably take a lot more energy, but it seems reasonable to me that a sufficiently powerful and knowledgeable entity could do it.
Also, before cheap aluminum, silver was the metal used to make mirrors reflective. Silverlight would be much more likely to be reflected from silvered mirrors than pass through a silver prism, because silver is amazingly opaque to visible light. A foil only a few atoms thick would stop 100% of light (ignoring fantastically unlikely quantum effects that have no practical meaning).
I just want to let you know: I was grinning the entire time this video was playing. Except the parts where I was laughing. Pursuant to what David said: I am 100% sure that Hoid will end up burning that chip of Ishar's Honorblade. He's the only Mistborn we know for sure is on Roshar, and he's clearly trying to Connect himself to every Shard of Adonalsium. (One wonders about his very powerful Connection to Virtuosity, what with his being a professional storyteller and singer.) I don't know why you're all so sure Ambition=*personal* ambition. I have certainly felt ambition for groups I belong to, up to and including humanity. Consider, say, sports fans--they're ambitious for "their" teams to succeed.
An interesting thought when you combine "Would a dragon eventually get a breath in Nalthis?" and "Can you physically distinguish what kind of human/where they're from?" Would an Alethi born in Scadrial grow as tall due to the environment/gravity/nutrition? Allomancy requires a genetic component, so would a Mistborn born in Elantris have a shot at being both? Or would they Mistborn lose their spiritual ties to Harmony once taken by the Shaod? The crazy number of Twinborn possibilities x interplanetary immigration and boinking is gonna lead to some wild combos.
The gem question raises a couple of questions for me. If I gave a blind person a gem and they tried to soulcast would they be able to soul cast it into the correct result if I lied about what it was. They can’t see the color. Would they get what they think it is? Would it not work? Then if it was removed of color would they be uniquely able to soulcast it since they can’t tell it’s been tampered?
I think you'd have to tamper with the cognitive aspect of the gem itself. It must have some type of identity attached to it. Rocks know they're rocks, sticks know that they're sticks. It knows what it is.
We know that physical disabilities can prevent Awakening. A tongueless person cannot Awaken, even with as many Breaths as the God-King. I wouldn't be surprised if color-blindness would also do it, although that could be cured by enough breath to enhance color vision.
I am becoming increasingly aware that a day will come when the fans know more about the Cosmere than Sanderson does, and I'm not sure how I feel about that.
59:22 - … to me that WoB is maximum ambiguity, and not *nearly* definitive! “You shouldn’t be looking for dragons among the characters of the SA” Why? Interpretation 1) Bc you would find 0, therefore it is a fruitless exercise Interpretation 2) Bc if you guess enough names, you’ll find the dragon who I haven’t given you clues for yet Interpretation 3) bc if you guess enough names, you’ll ruin my grand authorly plan to reveal the dragon identity, and your enjoyment will be lessened
With regards to the Anti god metal question, I feel like the molten metal comparison should more be referring to the actual danger rather than the physical reaction. Uniquely, human souls on scadrial are i believe made of a balance of ruin and preservation investiture, even after the catacendre, so it would for sure kill them, just probably not melt their flesh.
Sometimes I feel like Brandon wrote us cosmere fans into the cosmere. Our shard is Punctilio, our god metal is Abstrusium, and we are all Pedantomancers 😅
I think Nazh/Nazhrilof is the hidden dragon. If I had to compare his name to Solemn Divinity or Xisis/Xisisfliel it def more like the latter. He has a connection to Silverlight. He can somehow retrieve things from the bottom of an ocean. Nazh is the dragon.
14:00 - compounding steel! Infinite speed. How could the lord ruler lose to Kalak? I really want to hear this ability discussed on the podcast because it feel it is so overpowered, and totally underused in the misborn books as I would think most inquisitors be able to compound speed as they could all burn steel, so if they also had feruchemical speed they would always be able to compound with it. Maybe I am missing something.
Fun fact: fossil fuel doesn't just come from dinosaurs and trees and such. It also comes from various trapped gasses. So is Scadial, Ruin and Preservation could have just trapped gasses and not killed mountains of life forms.
@@Landis963 I'm fairly sure they can't just create physical things from any the other realms. They probably created Scadriel from pieces that were floating around in that solar system.
@misha49ish Why not? Soulcasting exists. Soulstamps alter mass and chemical makeup as a matter of course. Shards can mimic other magic systems as they need - see also Odium soothing away Moash's emotions.
RoW chapter 111 28:20 in the audio book, not sure what page. “you will not defeat me when next we meet, though you bear a corrupted honorblade that bleeds black smoke”
@@TheAmyrlinSeat Nightblood doesn’t really imitate an honorblade though? If that’s what was meant wouldn’t he say shardblade? Honorblade is a very much more specific thing. It seems strange to chalk this up to “he’s just crazy”
In Yumi & the Nightmare Painter, we know that travel between planets in the Physical Realm is possible. I was wondering-- travel between planets in the Cognitive Realm is only possible because inhabitants of the Physical Realm don't really understand its sheer scale. Naturally, going to another planet with a conventional spaceship would challenge and overturn those assumptions. So how does travel through the Physical Realm affect the topology of the Cognitive Realm? Is the UTol system effectively stranded from other systems?
There's a WoB that yes, in the Space Age the planets are much more distant in the Cognitive Realm. Which, conveniently, means you find it more useful to fly in spaceships instead of walking the enormous distance, making for better space opera.
I don't think Spren manifesting as "normal" physical metals is weird at all. Shards can make Planets, whose metals are clearly digestible. Presumably Soulcasters or Radiants could. The Sibling could. Brandon seemed to conflate manifested metals with a literal chunk of a spren, which would be a god metal and therefore different. Also there's the whole mass Investiture Energy equivalence thing which "explains" Investiture turning into physical things and vice versa.
Okay, so Hemalurgy and Forgery (w/ essence marks) can change spiritwebs. It makes me wonder, since we haven't seen a full power Elantrian except maybe for Shai. So could an Elantrian affect the same sorts of changes to one's spiritweb?
I always thought that with burning metals, you are not burning investiture, rather that the metal is a key. So how can there be anti-lerasium/anti-atium? Maybe I'm missing a piece of the puzzle, are god metals invested themselves?
yes but most allomantic metals are poisonous anyway (at least in the quantities and concentration and at which they are consumed), which is why they are advised always to burn away their metals before sleeping. Also, eating something toxic is not the same thing as drinking lava lol
Borderline no way for a mistborn to beat a radiant of third ideal or above, especially if they have plate, the mistborn has to be perfect, they have to get perfect kill shots multiple times in a row and not once ever get hit. That doesn’t even count the surges too that’s just a shardblade. They may not even be able to reach the radiant, the radiant may be far more mobile than the mistborn, or be able to soulcast or make explostions, or stick them to the ground. If it’s a 4th Ideal the mistborn has to put multiple killing hits through the tiny slit in the helmet while never ever getting hit. With guns it may be possible but in melee it’s not. Plus the gen the best mistborn vin has some terrible feats when compared to Roshar level one of her best feats is killing cetts men and another is killing the koloss army. In both instances she is only performing at the level of a good shardbearer not even a radiant
With a couple of duralumin coin pushes, you could shatter plate, you can even do it with regular hammers. A Mistborn has more mobility than most radiants, their powers burn investiture slower, and so could effectively kite them until they pump them full of coins. Also, with Atium you're literally immortal unless checkmated, and that's very hard to do, even with Radiant powers.
The pronoun thing is so people can refer to cast members as they want to be referred to. Hilarious you're saying we are brainwashed when we just are doing the bare minimum of human decency. I guess that's too much for you. I suppose you could say Brandon is woke. He's been liberal for a long time. Gay representation, for one, is in the books and he's said will be in there more. It's almost like those people exist or something! I can't wait for Brandon to do this more to give snowflakes like you so many aneurisms. -Eric
I love the idea of the Heralds being tortured is just having to do a podcast together and the reason Taln was able to last 4000 years was because he finally had some peace and quiet and he only finally broke the exact minute that Chana popped up and he had to deal with her again
Lol but Taln never broke though, there's a WoB about that
Chana poped up, realised she was on the taln podcast, and immediately dipped. @@Tower_Of_Chaos
@@Tower_Of_Chaos theory correction then: Taln is so incredibly annoying that he himself thought that was 'just a good fun talk' but Chana broke when she came in again and he started with "Oh my god Chana, you wont BELIEVE what happened since we last met!"
@@thescyle1951 The new storm is what allowed the desolation. No herald broke. The oathpact wouldnt even work at this point if all the heralds went back
@@mrjuderaw87 Wrong. A Herald breaking is what allowed any and all Heralds on Braize to Return once more, which is why Taln Returns in the Way of Kings epilogue.
"Any and all."
Welp, "Does Silverlight have malls?" is gonna be my question for Brandon next time I see him.
23:22 "I have come to accept that she must have something set up for herself that just works for him too on that ship" Yeah, it's the map; the "take me to your planet" map on the floor. Same reason why Shai drew a map of Scadrial in TLM.
I was at a panel and they spent about 10 minutes discussing the lift dragon theory nobody ever clarified where it came from! Then at the Q&A, Brandon immediately rejected it and I was so confused.
Having Alyx on is such a gift. She may claim not to be a WoB person, but was lowkey coming up with the best explanations while everyone else was flailing in the deep weeds.
#DierisZane'sspike
19:38 I have always thought of Forgery as like Hemalurgy in that it's more a craft than it is an innate power. Theoretically, anyone in the from MaiPon can do it, but only those who had the dedication to learn the "codes" actually do. I feel like save for the Elantrians, this was how it works for Selish Investiture as evidenced by how those who can use Dakhor really just need to be from Fjordell and be chosen by the monks to undergo the ritual
So excited for the avalanche of WOB episodes to come
We are on track for five episodes total, currently. -Eric
Anytime feather is here for a WoB episode I know it’s gonna be a good one
To Ian’s complaint about the Sibling manifesting physically as normal matter: In the Cosmere, investiture is a fourth state of existence alongside matter and energy, is it not? So while the most natural solid form of the Sibling’s investiture might be godmetals, because it’s still investiture that way, they could conceivably turn it into normal matter like steel and iron as well, in the same way that, while the easiest solid form for water to take would be ice, one could also conceive of rearranging the subatomic particles from the water to create anything at all. It’d presumably take a lot more energy, but it seems reasonable to me that a sufficiently powerful and knowledgeable entity could do it.
Eric should narrate for Graphic Audio. That Dahkor sound effect was spot on.
I am very good at this! I also do a great Dalinar voice, check out our Keeping up with the Kholins episode to see how "good" it was! -Eric
Shardcast: There's No Rails on the Podcast in Hell
Also, before cheap aluminum, silver was the metal used to make mirrors reflective. Silverlight would be much more likely to be reflected from silvered mirrors than pass through a silver prism, because silver is amazingly opaque to visible light. A foil only a few atoms thick would stop 100% of light (ignoring fantastically unlikely quantum effects that have no practical meaning).
As a dad, the trader traitor joke was spot on! :) Also, I loved the concept of the chasmfiend Returned being given a divine mission to hunt Dalanar!
I just want to let you know: I was grinning the entire time this video was playing. Except the parts where I was laughing.
Pursuant to what David said: I am 100% sure that Hoid will end up burning that chip of Ishar's Honorblade. He's the only Mistborn we know for sure is on Roshar, and he's clearly trying to Connect himself to every Shard of Adonalsium. (One wonders about his very powerful Connection to Virtuosity, what with his being a professional storyteller and singer.)
I don't know why you're all so sure Ambition=*personal* ambition. I have certainly felt ambition for groups I belong to, up to and including humanity. Consider, say, sports fans--they're ambitious for "their" teams to succeed.
An interesting thought when you combine "Would a dragon eventually get a breath in Nalthis?" and "Can you physically distinguish what kind of human/where they're from?" Would an Alethi born in Scadrial grow as tall due to the environment/gravity/nutrition? Allomancy requires a genetic component, so would a Mistborn born in Elantris have a shot at being both? Or would they Mistborn lose their spiritual ties to Harmony once taken by the Shaod? The crazy number of Twinborn possibilities x interplanetary immigration and boinking is gonna lead to some wild combos.
1:00:58 Are you the strongest because you're the lord ruler? Or are you the lord ruler because you're fullborn
The gem question raises a couple of questions for me.
If I gave a blind person a gem and they tried to soulcast would they be able to soul cast it into the correct result if I lied about what it was. They can’t see the color. Would they get what they think it is? Would it not work?
Then if it was removed of color would they be uniquely able to soulcast it since they can’t tell it’s been tampered?
I think you'd have to tamper with the cognitive aspect of the gem itself. It must have some type of identity attached to it. Rocks know they're rocks, sticks know that they're sticks. It knows what it is.
We know that physical disabilities can prevent Awakening. A tongueless person cannot Awaken, even with as many Breaths as the God-King. I wouldn't be surprised if color-blindness would also do it, although that could be cured by enough breath to enhance color vision.
Yeah, I went to a lighting signing and got to ask a question. He really didn't seem to mind lol
Evil Nightblood, aka Lifemucus
I desperately want a scadrian and rosharan geologist to meet and complain about doing research on their worlds
Maybe a Nalthian can join in as well.
I am becoming increasingly aware that a day will come when the fans know more about the Cosmere than Sanderson does, and I'm not sure how I feel about that.
In some sense, Karen already does.
1:01:00 that question worded exactly as put forward would be the most soul-destroying "yes" ever
wrap the chasm fiend's limbs in fabric with similar commands as vasher uses for his pants? that could work, maybe.
And this episode showed that nobody is taking Natanatan seriously, including the Shardcasters.
I could not stop laughing at the thought of the Night Brigade tracking down a wall :D
Heeeyy, I missed Ian and David, that's fun! Also Alyx is a joy! =D
59:22 - … to me that WoB is maximum ambiguity, and not *nearly* definitive!
“You shouldn’t be looking for dragons among the characters of the SA”
Why?
Interpretation 1) Bc you would find 0, therefore it is a fruitless exercise
Interpretation 2) Bc if you guess enough names, you’ll find the dragon who I haven’t given you clues for yet
Interpretation 3) bc if you guess enough names, you’ll ruin my grand authorly plan to reveal the dragon identity, and your enjoyment will be lessened
With regards to the Anti god metal question, I feel like the molten metal comparison should more be referring to the actual danger rather than the physical reaction. Uniquely, human souls on scadrial are i believe made of a balance of ruin and preservation investiture, even after the catacendre, so it would for sure kill them, just probably not melt their flesh.
And so begins the season of WOB episodes :D
Edit to add: The traitor joke made me chuckle and I'm disappointed in the rest of the cast
Highly Modified Person would be a great band name
Au-Nak was actually one of my guesses. I AM THE NERD!
the feather cat!! Hi feather cat!! Shardcats are always a nice special guest
Sometimes I feel like Brandon wrote us cosmere fans into the cosmere. Our shard is Punctilio, our god metal is Abstrusium, and we are all Pedantomancers 😅
I think Nazh/Nazhrilof is the hidden dragon. If I had to compare his name to Solemn Divinity or Xisis/Xisisfliel it def more like the latter. He has a connection to Silverlight. He can somehow retrieve things from the bottom of an ocean. Nazh is the dragon.
14:00 - compounding steel! Infinite speed. How could the lord ruler lose to Kalak? I really want to hear this ability discussed on the podcast because it feel it is so overpowered, and totally underused in the misborn books as I would think most inquisitors be able to compound speed as they could all burn steel, so if they also had feruchemical speed they would always be able to compound with it. Maybe I am missing something.
Let the record show that someone in the audience guessed Au-nak with 2 clues
Commenting to second Alyx's recomendation of Dishonored. FANTASTIC games, highly recommend!
WoBs are my favorite episodes. Stoked for the next two months 😂😂
I still hold out hope for Brandon to answer if the wind spren Kaladin split the storm with are the same spren his armour is made from.
I did NOT want to know about a Dishonored-like Mistborn game that will never come out. Thanks for the sadness, sadists.
Fun fact: fossil fuel doesn't just come from dinosaurs and trees and such. It also comes from various trapped gasses. So is Scadial, Ruin and Preservation could have just trapped gasses and not killed mountains of life forms.
Or, given that they're, you know, gods, they could just make the relevant geologic features from whole cloth.
@@Landis963 I'm fairly sure they can't just create physical things from any the other realms. They probably created Scadriel from pieces that were floating around in that solar system.
@misha49ish Why not? Soulcasting exists. Soulstamps alter mass and chemical makeup as a matter of course. Shards can mimic other magic systems as they need - see also Odium soothing away Moash's emotions.
@@Landis963 hmm, you have a point there
10:03 wasn’t Nightblood confirmed an awakened Honorblade in RoW? I thought Ishar calls them “a corrupted honorblade” near the end of the book
RoW chapter 111 28:20 in the audio book, not sure what page. “you will not defeat me when next we meet, though you bear a corrupted honorblade that bleeds black smoke”
That is true, Ishar does say that, though I don't think that is literally true. -Eric
i would take anything Ishar says in his maddened state with a spoonful of salt
Think he probably meant that in the sense that it was trying to imitate an honorblade.
@@TheAmyrlinSeat Nightblood doesn’t really imitate an honorblade though? If that’s what was meant wouldn’t he say shardblade? Honorblade is a very much more specific thing. It seems strange to chalk this up to “he’s just crazy”
I enjoyed the Trader - Traitor wordplay. Worthy of Shallan......take that for what you will :D
In Yumi & the Nightmare Painter, we know that travel between planets in the Physical Realm is possible. I was wondering-- travel between planets in the Cognitive Realm is only possible because inhabitants of the Physical Realm don't really understand its sheer scale. Naturally, going to another planet with a conventional spaceship would challenge and overturn those assumptions. So how does travel through the Physical Realm affect the topology of the Cognitive Realm? Is the UTol system effectively stranded from other systems?
There's a WoB that yes, in the Space Age the planets are much more distant in the Cognitive Realm. Which, conveniently, means you find it more useful to fly in spaceships instead of walking the enormous distance, making for better space opera.
Great episod. Thank you for it.
Waiting a long time for the WoB Avalanche 😊
Wob-buffet Γ>
Is evgeni sitting in front of Elliot’s bookshelves?! (Naughty)
More episodes with Alyx plz
I don't think Spren manifesting as "normal" physical metals is weird at all.
Shards can make Planets, whose metals are clearly digestible. Presumably Soulcasters or Radiants could. The Sibling could.
Brandon seemed to conflate manifested metals with a literal chunk of a spren, which would be a god metal and therefore different.
Also there's the whole mass Investiture Energy equivalence thing which "explains" Investiture turning into physical things and vice versa.
Has it been asked, can someone healing with gold, heal a shard blade cut?
I hope Khriss is the dragon
Alyx is always looking for that sensual undertone lmao. I miss everything she sees haha
I guess, in the interest of diverse perspectives, its good to have a horndog member lmao
Where does emperors soul fit in the timeline? Hoid stole the moon sceptre, basically a rosetta stone for selish magic systems iirc.
Emperor's Soul seems to take place just after Elantris and its sequels.
Okay, so Hemalurgy and Forgery (w/ essence marks) can change spiritwebs. It makes me wonder, since we haven't seen a full power Elantrian except maybe for Shai. So could an Elantrian affect the same sorts of changes to one's spiritweb?
Did you read Tress? The Sorceress turned a human into a rat. I think that's a really, really serious change to his spiritweb.
I always thought that with burning metals, you are not burning investiture, rather that the metal is a key. So how can there be anti-lerasium/anti-atium? Maybe I'm missing a piece of the puzzle, are god metals invested themselves?
Yes they are. In fact they are made from Investiture.
I mean… anti-god metal could just be poisonous?
yes but most allomantic metals are poisonous anyway (at least in the quantities and concentration and at which they are consumed), which is why they are advised always to burn away their metals before sleeping. Also, eating something toxic is not the same thing as drinking lava lol
I care about Sixteen, he has to be important
iaaaann!!!!!!!
I agree with this enthusiasm for the best Shardcast member.
I have done as instructed and am now (insert brennan lee mulligan voice here) IN THE COMMENTS
Is the stick a dragon?
Borderline no way for a mistborn to beat a radiant of third ideal or above, especially if they have plate, the mistborn has to be perfect, they have to get perfect kill shots multiple times in a row and not once ever get hit. That doesn’t even count the surges too that’s just a shardblade. They may not even be able to reach the radiant, the radiant may be far more mobile than the mistborn, or be able to soulcast or make explostions, or stick them to the ground.
If it’s a 4th Ideal the mistborn has to put multiple killing hits through the tiny slit in the helmet while never ever getting hit.
With guns it may be possible but in melee it’s not. Plus the gen the best mistborn vin has some terrible feats when compared to Roshar level one of her best feats is killing cetts men and another is killing the koloss army. In both instances she is only performing at the level of a good shardbearer not even a radiant
With a couple of duralumin coin pushes, you could shatter plate, you can even do it with regular hammers. A Mistborn has more mobility than most radiants, their powers burn investiture slower, and so could effectively kite them until they pump them full of coins. Also, with Atium you're literally immortal unless checkmated, and that's very hard to do, even with Radiant powers.
vindiCATIONNNNN
That's the last Shard! Vindication!
Dragon mall z
adobe illustrator but same lol
Im so angry about argent's comments rn 😤
I'm so curious about which ones! -Eric
@@17thShard well I'm not gonna tell you.
It's fairly obvious to me that Steris is a dragon. :)
what's with the pronoun thing? is brandon sandersons brand WOKE now ???? we just want cool stories and no brainwashed trash in our fantasy media
The pronoun thing is so people can refer to cast members as they want to be referred to. Hilarious you're saying we are brainwashed when we just are doing the bare minimum of human decency. I guess that's too much for you.
I suppose you could say Brandon is woke. He's been liberal for a long time. Gay representation, for one, is in the books and he's said will be in there more. It's almost like those people exist or something!
I can't wait for Brandon to do this more to give snowflakes like you so many aneurisms. -Eric
It was not funny Eric
it wasn't funny xD