The Ultimate Shootout // Sunn Model T VS Preamps

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  • @electronicaudioexperiments
    @electronicaudioexperiments Рік тому +87

    Really enjoyed this shootout! I appreciate how transparent you are about the comparison process and I think this answers a lot of people's questions about how authentic these pedals sound. And, it's always nice to hear an original Model T. People have many preconceived notions about how that amp should sound.
    Also, I am relieved the Model feT held its own here! 😅We were the first company to do a Model T pedal emulation, but I'm glad people have continued to push the envelope in that space. I continue to be impressed by the Exegol. I think its added presence control makes a huge difference especially with the lower gain settings. I tried that back in 2017 with the early Model feT and never got it quite right, so props to Kuro for making it happen.
    My only complaints:
    1) level matching could have been better. Exegol was quite a bit louder than the others.
    2) IMO, the pedals should have been sent straight into an IR just like the amp. The Model feT and Exegol both have power amp emulation circuitry already, so the extra coloration could change the comparison.
    Thanks again for making this happen.

  • @greggatti4145
    @greggatti4145 6 місяців тому +9

    CLEARLY THE EXEGOL

  • @EricMerrow
    @EricMerrow Рік тому +71

    Dang! The Exegol had the closest tone to my ears! The model fet sounded great too! All of them sounded good, but the model fet and exegol sounded the closest to me👍👍👍

  • @Rowe4900candymachine
    @Rowe4900candymachine Рік тому +4

    I love hearing people explain their gear chains, it makes very good background noise for lunch.

  • @cambodianz
    @cambodianz Рік тому +7

    For me the two big winners were the Model feT & the exegol. The feT easily sounded the most natural in the low gain stage whereas the exegol's presence was a bit much in that context, however in the medium and high gain stages the exegol excels and dominates everything else.
    I even kind of liked the restrained low-fi quality of the Burning Sunn a bit too, I suppose it comes down to the context of its use. The Giant Sound had the least character of the four to me, but I bet if I hadn't heard it in a shootout with these others I'd probably have a higher opinion of it.
    All solid boxes, dude. Thanks for putting this together.

  • @shaneguest852
    @shaneguest852 Рік тому +2

    This is the video I've been preying that someone would make since I bought my Model FeT about a year ago, so I cannot thank you enough. Having said that, this is what I've learnt from watching this; Yes, apparently I had no idea on what an actual Sunn T sounded like, which would be a bad thing apart from the fact that now I know it's real sound yes, my Model FeT was far better than I've been giving it credit for. It's taken me a year to understand just how good it was (regardless of the fact it's the most permanent part of my pedal chain). I couldn't decide which I thought sounded better. It was a toss up between the Model FeT and the Exegol. It's addition of the Exegol's presence control gives it the slight advantage I think but would I spend the money to replace my Model Fet with one? Hell no, I'm more than happy with it. Thanks again!

  • @ThatMFShawnzy
    @ThatMFShawnzy Рік тому +7

    Dude this is one of the best videos I’ve seen in a long time. I love this. Also- Exogol wins easy

  • @beneath_the_woods
    @beneath_the_woods Рік тому +20

    You went above and beyond with this one! Really dig the scientific approach. One small gripe, level matching wasn't the best. Also, I need an Exegol now.

    • @04Hunters
      @04Hunters Рік тому +3

      eah! Why is Exegol the loudest one?

  • @MrMikewright1980
    @MrMikewright1980 Рік тому +1

    I have a first gen Model T and I love it, sounds super clear and warm. Very different from modern high gain amps. I'd love for you to do a video running different OD/Dist pedals in front of the Model T to see the tone variations.

  • @BabylonSun
    @BabylonSun Рік тому +2

    Thank you for doing this for science!

  • @matthew_b_golden
    @matthew_b_golden 10 місяців тому +2

    So it seems to matter more at high gain but to my ear, the Model T is just a lot more open and 3D. At high gain, it's like you can swim into the tone whereas with the others, while not bad, don't measure up in the same way. They're shallow beside the real thing. I guess that makes sense with the signal being pushed through all that circuitry and then the enormous output transformers too. I had a 1st gen years ago. Loved it. Was sorry to see it go but themz were tough times.

  • @vanndupappa
    @vanndupappa 10 місяців тому +2

    I’d say the Kuro Exegol did really well. Clearer than the others and not far from the T.

  • @harrisondvargo72
    @harrisondvargo72 Рік тому +3

    Exegol all day long! Have one and love it! never sell pedal and always on

    • @midwaymonster30
      @midwaymonster30 Рік тому +1

      Did you order direct from website? I'm looking to snag one, but can't find one anywhere.

    • @harrisondvargo72
      @harrisondvargo72 Рік тому

      @@midwaymonster30 picked it up second-hand. keep an eye on reverb

  • @CTripodi1965
    @CTripodi1965 Рік тому +4

    First, the Exegol nails the tone in every sound demonstration. Second, to truly use the Exegol as a preamp, the middle output jack must be used instead of the left side output jack. This gives the pedal more headroom in volume and takes advantage of an 18-volt adapter. Only downside to using the middle output jack is there is no signal passing through the pedal unless it is on. This scientific experiment further reenforces I made the correct decision when I purchased the Exegol as the best preamp pedal to clone the tone of a first-generation Sunn O))) Model T.

  • @CPMFrisirus
    @CPMFrisirus Рік тому +1

    Real nice thought out video

  • @olid7947
    @olid7947 Рік тому +1

    amazing video with an intersting shootout

  • @intrentnet
    @intrentnet Рік тому +4

    Exegol for the win! Had the headroom that the others couldn’t keep up with. Honorable mention to the model fet

  • @moonorbust7740
    @moonorbust7740 Рік тому +5

    Interesting video man, glad somebody did this. Would also be cool if as a side quest you compared these results to Line 6 Helix’s take on the Sunn Model T sound. Cheers!

  • @conorfowler
    @conorfowler Рік тому +4

    Kudos for the amount of effort you put in to this. The Exogol sounded closest to me, albeit with a ton more low end which seemed to make it a bit muddy at times. The others didn't sound as 'open' as the Sunn to my ears

  • @obdmpod
    @obdmpod Рік тому +3

    This is exactly the type of video I wanted to see and hear, and here it is. Thank you for this.

    • @FuzzedDrones
      @FuzzedDrones  Рік тому

      I’m happy to hear that . I’m stoked to hear you enjoyed it . Thanks again for checking it out !

  • @FrostGiantElectronics
    @FrostGiantElectronics Рік тому +3

    Solid video!!

    • @FuzzedDrones
      @FuzzedDrones  Рік тому

      Thanks Eric I’m glad to hear you liked it 🤘🏻. Thank you for checking it out .

  • @alldead315
    @alldead315 Рік тому +1

    Great work man! Anyone that is looking i will send this video over to prevent them from making mistakes. ❤❤

    • @FuzzedDrones
      @FuzzedDrones  Рік тому

      I very much appreciate that . Very happy to hear you enjoyed this !

  • @thomasdinkelspiel1098
    @thomasdinkelspiel1098 Рік тому +1

    I have a Gremlin Machine Works Ceremonial preamp pedal. Don't sleep on this thing. It kicks all kinds of ass.

  • @Always_in_C_standard
    @Always_in_C_standard Рік тому +4

    That was awesome. Exegol seemed closest in most tests to my ears. I was expecting it to be the model feT, but it still sounded good.

  • @JoeDinsdale
    @JoeDinsdale Рік тому +6

    The Model FeT is a beast, absolutely love mine. Currently got it adding some light drive at the end of the chain in front of my head. It's super subtle but really thickens up the bass tone.
    Also love it paired up with the EAE Longsword, for bass or guitar. I'm pretty bias towards the Model FetT but the Exegol sounded great too. I think with either you're going to get an incredible sound.

    • @kaylons
      @kaylons Рік тому +2

      Agreed. The FeT nails the brightness of the model T.

  • @saturnskull1242
    @saturnskull1242 Рік тому +6

    What a great video man! Very well organized and carried out. Really pro. I think that the Exegol stands out. Close second is the modelfet, although in your previous video where you compared these 2, the modelfet sounded more amp-like to me.. Keep up the good work!

  • @prosperity-gospel
    @prosperity-gospel Рік тому +2

    the exegol seems closest to me (with the FeT being a very close second - probably indistinguishable if you didn't have them side by side), but what I got out of this video is that the actual Model T sounds amazing. the burning sunn sounded less full spectrum, more choked. might make it better in a mix but definitely didn't sound as good alone as the others did.

  • @AndrewWukusick
    @AndrewWukusick Рік тому +7

    Man I think I like the Exegol even more than the original amp!

    • @TheBadaBaBaBas
      @TheBadaBaBaBas Рік тому

      I was thinking the same thing, got me all fucked up

  • @viktortjernell5436
    @viktortjernell5436 Рік тому +3

    I’m incredibly impressed by the Exegol. I have the Model feT but the Exegol sound way more open like the amp and has the right kind of low mid roar! The Model feT is close too, compared to the other two at least, but still far off in comparison to the Exegol.

  • @SuperDeadRooster
    @SuperDeadRooster Рік тому +1

    Cool video. I use an Acapulco gold to get into this neck of the woods.

  • @TrippingBlood
    @TrippingBlood Рік тому +1

    Fkin awesome!!!

  • @MrMystery666
    @MrMystery666 Рік тому +1

    Volume between the pedals and the model t is the most significant difference the rest is as suggested might might close

  • @Earthstein
    @Earthstein Рік тому +1

    Excellent! Seemed too short. Might have been to abbreviated (for me). But I learned a lot here. Thank you so so much. You got another subscriber.

    • @FuzzedDrones
      @FuzzedDrones  Рік тому

      Thank you I’m happy to hear you enjoyed it . We didn’t want to go overboard with the time of this one . But will have more stuff like this in the future !

  • @scaoiligi
    @scaoiligi Рік тому +3

    This looks like it was a lot of effort but amazing video, absolute top quality

  • @Myckey6
    @Myckey6 Рік тому +2

    ! but does it d.... - hell yes

  • @the_riffmountain
    @the_riffmountain Рік тому +1

    Awesome video! Model Fet sounds so killer! They all do!

  • @TomLinda-ql9fp
    @TomLinda-ql9fp Рік тому +1

    Great Video. Hit me just at the peak of my current model t craze and is the ultimate answer for what iam looking right now. Actually I am planing to get a model t preamp pedal. Have you any experience with the coda effects black hole? It's an awsome pedal also available for DIY pedal building. I wonder how it would perform next to an original model t or the other pedals.

  • @MitchLamm93
    @MitchLamm93 Рік тому +3

    Exegol was by far the most similar sounding. Awesome pedal!

  • @Toology88
    @Toology88 Рік тому +4

    lets do a Green Matamp video next with the Kuro T120 and Midnight Amps Holy Mountain, Dunwich DA120, etc...

    • @marcusdez
      @marcusdez Рік тому +1

      THIS!

    • @FuzzedDrones
      @FuzzedDrones  Рік тому +4

      Working on a Matamp video next . Won’t be like that . But it will be a shootout between the GT1, , GT120MV and GT200 . Hopefully that will peak some interest.

  • @danielcarter3928
    @danielcarter3928 3 місяці тому +1

    to my ears the Exegol is easily the one that sounds closest to the amp.

  • @dddd717
    @dddd717 Рік тому +1

    I think what is neat about the midnight amplification pedal is that no one was really doing any amp-n-a-box of sunn or matamp before midnight amplification came along.
    Too bad that they were very expensive for the time, took forever to ship from Australia, and nic some how dropped the ball and started shit with Ryan Adams over the font, from that pedal, being used on a shirt.

  • @celsomiranda1810
    @celsomiranda1810 Рік тому +2

    Deam!!! The exegol is rally close to model T tone!!!

  • @ristofly5720
    @ristofly5720 7 місяців тому

    I just got my Sun? No V2 Model T Preamp yesterday, and tonight I really got into it. I was surprised by how dense the tone is. Ive watched this video quite a few times, wondering which ones the V2 sounds like. The one it sounds really close to, is the model feT on my guitar amp. I liked the width and clarity of the fuzz on the feT, which is like the V2. It was really nice to hear all of these pedals together to hear the subtle differences, and compare them to the V2. I’m trying to figure which of these I want yo use with my bass setup. Would love to hear your thoughts on which one you think would mesh, control wise with a bass amp. My bass amp is a GK Fusion 800S, which has an overdrive circuit? Instead of getting the V2 again I thought it would be nicer to have a little different taste of the SUNN O. Thanks! Great recording.

  • @betauser2594
    @betauser2594 Рік тому +4

    Exegol is quite amazing.

    • @04Hunters
      @04Hunters Рік тому +1

      it's sounds lauder than the others, wrong setup?

    • @dddd717
      @dddd717 Рік тому

      Probably used at 18v

  • @13aphomet
    @13aphomet Рік тому

    Great video, I love the experiment.. I used to own a model T and regret very much selling it. Now I'm looking for a similar sound without having to buy a 5000 dollar amp..
    My only criticism with the vid is that none of those tones seem to be the super crushing tone that I associate with the model T. Maybe it's just the video format throwing me off..
    Great vid tho!!

  • @BearAmps
    @BearAmps Рік тому

    build a slight high pass for that exegol with a bass/guitar toggle switch and it's dead on. Nice to hear!!!

  • @dinmentor
    @dinmentor Рік тому

    Great video, only thing i would want is that you should level matched the recordings. They are very different in level.

  • @alexfletcher9915
    @alexfletcher9915 Рік тому +1

    All sound really solid in their own way. Great vid!

    • @FuzzedDrones
      @FuzzedDrones  Рік тому +1

      Exactly that ! I would be happy to have any of these 4 on my board . All do the model t tone very well in there own way . While recording/filming this video I had to ask which one I was hearing . Because they were SO close in tone . Any of these would be solid picks IMO .

  • @Toology88
    @Toology88 Рік тому +1

    were you running the Kuro Exegol at 9v or 18v?

  • @NathanHorton-wg7yb
    @NathanHorton-wg7yb 6 місяців тому +1

    Where's the blue colander tibetan quaalude??

  • @Toology88
    @Toology88 Рік тому +1

    Thanks a lot. Now I have to sell my EAE Model feT to buy a Kuro Exegol. Just when I thought my board was complete. Was the Exegol running at 9v or 18v?
    Cheers from North Jersey (Passaic County)

    • @johnsadie
      @johnsadie Рік тому +1

      anywhere between 9-18V is doable, but 18V gives more volume + headroom, of course. and it has a line-level output, which is AWESOME if you run it straight into a power amp. sounds/responds and takes pedals almost exactly like a real Model T.

  • @Myself6M
    @Myself6M 11 місяців тому +1

    All the preamps sound great. The Sun model T and Kuro Voiced more similarly. The rest of them would need more tweaking. The Kuro has the most Bass more than the actual amp. It's voiced a bit more boomy and gainy than the amp. I would dial the gain a notch down and maybe the presence a notch up or maybe just a bit less normal channel.

  • @jackroberts399
    @jackroberts399 Рік тому +2

    One thing I noticed is that the pedals had way too much bass and not enough midrange and bite, compared to the amp

  • @thguy22
    @thguy22 Рік тому +2

    Off topic, but I see an Orange Pedal Baby in the back and curious if you'd recommend it?
    I currently run a Model feT into an Orange Crush 20RT (flat EQ) and I essentially use the Model feT as my amp tone. I'm currently looking to upgrade to something I can set up for a louder set up and the Pedal Baby has been peaking my interest.
    Also, an amazing video!

    • @Intaminator
      @Intaminator Рік тому

      Following cause I've been curious about that thing too.

    • @tomnaumann2104
      @tomnaumann2104 Рік тому

      Also curious! We demand answers! :)

    • @compulsiveviewingmaterials
      @compulsiveviewingmaterials Рік тому

      I love my orange super crush 100.

    • @christopherkennedy873
      @christopherkennedy873 Рік тому +1

      I guess the Orange Super Crush 100 has the Pedal baby as the power amp circuit? (so I heard - I'm an idiot) - I've been running my Model feT into the fx loop return and it sounds killer 🤘💥

  • @ChristopherCassisi
    @ChristopherCassisi Рік тому +3

    Gremlin Machine Shop Ceremonial does a great job at getting really close to the Model T sound.

    • @FuzzedDrones
      @FuzzedDrones  Рік тому

      Never had the chance to try that one . But it’s on the radar now . Thanks !

    • @evanlundgren3039
      @evanlundgren3039 Рік тому +1

      Absolutely it does, Paul spent a lot of time R&D getting that one right and as good as it gets. The newest one is technically the v4.0 and definitely delivers. You should check out his shadow company barbarian fuzz raiders, has an excellent acc 360pedal.

  • @Witchpit
    @Witchpit Рік тому +1

    Very cool model T I didnt know Fender tried to make those again? To my ears the pedals are very similar the main thing is the model T just has more presence and sounds little more lively.

    • @FuzzedDrones
      @FuzzedDrones  Рік тому +2

      Rumor had it that once they did the reissue the next step was to reissue the OG . That’s what John was told when he bought the Model T . Now how true that is will never know . I appreciate you checking it out . Hopefully this video helps drive the prices down of Ts . So people don’t have to sell a kidney to get one .

    • @Witchpit
      @Witchpit Рік тому +1

      @@FuzzedDrones thats very cool ...wouldve been cool if they brought it back...and yea no problem. I actually just got one myself didnt pay 4k thankfully haha. I think I'm gonna do a 1st vs 2nd gen video at some point.

  • @clugokillscluco
    @clugokillscluco Рік тому

    Great video. How did they differ in the room as far as bottom end? That's usually where a pedal falls short from the amp

  • @reginaldpots5765
    @reginaldpots5765 Рік тому +1

    Exegol seems to have the most similar spread of distortion, just seems to be missing that little bit of trem as the 6550s balance out.

  • @Nicholas-Santiago
    @Nicholas-Santiago Рік тому +1

    What song is in the background?

    • @FuzzedDrones
      @FuzzedDrones  Рік тому +2

      Song I wrote while back with a friend . Full track is up on my page . “I wrote a doom metal song”

  • @MassacreVegan
    @MassacreVegan Рік тому

    Doesn’t the Model Fet have an in-built power amp emulation?

  • @seanfromaustin
    @seanfromaustin Рік тому +1

    I think the Model feT sounded best to me.

  • @jerkaoke611
    @jerkaoke611 6 місяців тому

    why user a rockerverb power amp sim instead of a model T sim? Or even the actual model T power amp section (I'm guessing you would have if it had an effects loop?)

  • @dots.sounds
    @dots.sounds Рік тому +2

    dope video! they all share the same characteristics. the exegol seems to be the fattest one, where the giant sound and burning sunn are a tad lower gain and less (maybe perceived?) volume.

  • @KD_0991
    @KD_0991 Рік тому +2

    No question exegol wins this comparison. All the others sounded way too compressed and muffled. Exegol remained open and clear sounding like the model T. Which is funny because in your original Model FeT vs Exegol video I preferred the model feT.

    • @trentkraemer7109
      @trentkraemer7109 Рік тому +1

      Apparently in that video the Exegol was being used with the pedal output instead of the line out which simulates the power amp.

    • @KD_0991
      @KD_0991 Рік тому +1

      @@trentkraemer7109 it looks like that's how it setup this time too. Line out is the middle jack.

  • @tanky666hate
    @tanky666hate Рік тому +1

    Damn, i love my exegol but had no idea Was THAT close to the real thing!

  • @WrongBeacon
    @WrongBeacon Рік тому +1

    😯😯😯

  • @gregmccourt4730
    @gregmccourt4730 Рік тому

    What about the Micro T?

  • @johnsadie
    @johnsadie Рік тому

    Exegol wins, with the Model Fet a VERY close 2nd place. The Burning Sunn sounds more like a drive pedal, rather than a preamp.

  • @carwynvan
    @carwynvan Рік тому

    I own a Model FeT and love it, I think the stuff GroundFX do is fantastic, but that Exegol sounds seriously close compared to the other pedals!

  • @peterisdead666
    @peterisdead666 Рік тому

    def the exegol was closest. the others had a bit too much compression and low end. not very articulate

  • @Fuzzdelic
    @Fuzzdelic Рік тому +1

    Exegol sounded the closest. But this video just let me know, I won't be satisfied with anything less than the original. :C Gotta start saving up, maybe in 10 years!

  • @gph2193
    @gph2193 Рік тому

    Argh... No GupTech T-Bag pedal, Bad!

    • @dddd717
      @dddd717 Рік тому

      Haven’t seen that one yet

  • @elbothy
    @elbothy Рік тому +1

    This is like porn to me

  • @johnchandler8283
    @johnchandler8283 10 місяців тому

    Exegol to my ears with decent cans sounded the least compressed, most articulate T toanz. I have a one knob micro sized pedal from Bardic Audio, called the Bardo))) - ua-cam.com/video/i11FOX4ads0/v-deo.htmlsi=toJefThRqQ9FH-p9. I fucking love that thing. My favorite amp in a box T tone pedal. I also have the handwired russian Beta / T hybrid preamp from Correct Sound, and the Bardo))) rips it's face off. Has that open, articulate head room with tons of dialable growl.

  • @whatsup7539
    @whatsup7539 Рік тому

    That was a F of alot of work to not tweek on camera the different pedals.

  • @viktortjernell5436
    @viktortjernell5436 Рік тому

    I get the annoyance of that the Reissue isn’t actually a reissue, but calling it the “Sunn 5150” is completely unfair. The reissue is a great amp, and it’s by FAAR more similar to a Model T than a 5150 when it comes to sound.. the 5150 sounds like a scooped fart in comparison to the Model T Reissue.. I’ve A/B’d my Reissue with both the 5150 and the Model T and honestly, while they are different, I know no other amp (except clones) that sounds more similar to a Model T, at least if you want a similar amount of gain.

    • @viktortjernell5436
      @viktortjernell5436 Рік тому

      Just realised though that there is the Peavey 5150 and the Fender 5150, hehe. I assumed the 5150 as Peavey.. And I actually have very little experience with the Fender one.

  • @steven_uk
    @steven_uk Рік тому +1

    Too much talking. I want to hear some doom, not 11 minutes of boring waffle. Plus your signal path is way too complicated.

    • @Deaddinoproductions
      @Deaddinoproductions Рік тому +1

      The signal path is clearly for the purpose of the demonstration to make the comparisons as fair and accurate as possible. Quick, lazy, unscientific shootout videos are basically worthless. They’re trying to do it the right way, hence all the technical setup and explanation. If you wanna hear some doom, go listen to some doom.

    • @steven_uk
      @steven_uk Рік тому +1

      @@Deaddinoproductions Save that for in the video description. Get to the sound clips faster and don't start with 11 minutes of talking.

    • @FuzzedDrones
      @FuzzedDrones  Рік тому +2

      @@steven_uk chapters are labeled for this video . You could have simply just skipped to the comparison parts . Did you know you could do that ? Because that would have saved you “11 minutes of boring waffle” .

    • @steven_uk
      @steven_uk Рік тому +1

      @@FuzzedDrones Does the Model T have an fx loop. Run the pedals through that and mic up the cabinet. That would be much better for anyone who plays live. The boring computer reliant way you did it wasn't helpful. Maybe then your video wouldn't suck.

    • @FuzzedDrones
      @FuzzedDrones  Рік тому

      @@steven_uk 🤣