People let their boilers get into that state because of how much it costs to get a boiler replaced. They greatly underestimate how dangerous it can be.
RaxxHubNut in my experience and the experience of those around me, if it was the difference between a £2 roll of gaffer tape or a £6-700 boiler, the gaffer tape would win for the type of person who has a boiler in a state such as the one in this video. So l disagree.
Here in the states soft solder is prohibited for use on copper gas lines and recently they just stopped selling gas press fittings for copper ( something about the O-ring not passing a national standards test ). So it's back to brazing and using flare fittings on soft copper.
I'm in the industry and I have seen some really bad boilers but, your one's in this video are unbelievable!!!! People really dont understand how lucky they are. ♨️♨️♨️ Great work AH 👍
I came across a hole in a chimney breast wall with an old tube TV in it. The flue was broken with a gas fire under. Fumes were entering the room from behind the TV. The TV was in danger of overheating then catching fire, even without the gas fire on. How they survived I don't know. It had been there for months. The man who lived there did it being unable to understand that it was lethal. The gas fire was isolated. Apparently he reconnected it. Idiots are idiots. They will do what they want to do.
Question regarding gas rates. when checking the manufacturers instructions and the number given doesn't state if its gross or net what should you assume it is. cheers
I recently replaced an expansion vessel on a Vokera Hydra which according to customer was 18 years old, it was in great shape for its age, think it’ll last another few years no problem. We are also replacing a lot of Vokera Maxins but mainly because the parts are becoming obsolete, if the parts were readily available they would also still be going no problem.
Ha ha those Ideal Concords bring back memories I’ve fitted loads in the day I was one of the original Corgi installers when it was a vile try members trad org my Reg no was less than 10 thousand members it’s staggering how it all went in later years ... and I did forty of them including later removing many .and changing them .... all single handed . I’m now retired with the back to prove it ... loving the vids keep up good work your a good conscientious tradesman u
Hi Alan first pipework leak obviously not had any of the flux cleaned off it . Which could have contributed to the leak .Ideal did a version of that concord where a fan sat on top of the boiler and then into a conventional flue That burner was notorious for sooting on the conventional boiler as it was not easy to clean ,we used to wash them out in warm soapy water and then with fresh which did the trick or it was a new burner.
Ha ha those Ideal Concords bring back memories I’ve fitted loads in the day I was one of the original Corgi installers when it was a members trade organisation and my Reg no was less than 10 thousand members it’s staggering how it all went in later years ... and I did forty of them ! This including later removing many .and changing them .... all single handed . I’m now retired with the back to prove it ... 😂😂😂 loving the vids keep up good work your a good conscientious heating/ plumbing engineer well done fella
Hi my boiler is giving off a strong chemical almost like an adhesive gluey smell? The plumber came out today and didn't recognize the smell? Just wondered if you had any ideas? Thank you
Hi Allen ,thanks for another great video, man the state of those boilers was unbelievable, It looked like one of the better Morrissons bags doing Stirling work there, no good using em now , you can't get quality bags anymore,lol. Keep em coming Allen it's great viewing, your a star . All the best,Stuart.w, yorks.
jeezus blinking cor blimey, all very dangerous unbelievable its beyond a comment the home occupants are the blame apart from nail hole in pipe how a catastrophic event never occurred god only knows . great Vid alan thanks, and not sure if you would call that a bag for life ?
I’m a Worcester engineer, you can tell who has them serviced every year and who doesn’t, some appliances are in a really poor state. Good that the message is being put out there to make people aware. Would you run a car for 10 years without changing the oil or checking the water? Same principle with your boiler😊
We go to some that are only 3-4 years old which are really clogged up. Important thing is not to oversize the boiler because it won’t modulate down enough to start condensing which should strip the oxide off the heat exchanger ( in theory), then go through the trap to waste. That’s why it’s so important to clean condensate traps, first thing I check👍🏻
@@paulkelly3254 We have a new Estate near us and they have installed 40 kw combis in all the houses, Some of them have about 5kw heat loss, Boiler just go on and back off again. Crazy. 👍
Madness. If it was a CDI or a Life/Style you can put the heat output down to suit, but I’d say only 10% of lads do that, manufacturers are trying to get low rate modulation down to 10% of total net output as the boiler heat exchangers are knackered in 5 years or so because they get hammered. Does the Isar spring to mind?😆
@@paulkelly3254 Pointless spending all that money on a boiler that you can not even use. Then they have actually made the system worse. Good to hear about the Worcester.
Hey I am 16 and I am in level 1 plumbing in college do u think I should complete it to be a qualified plumber and then go onto gas engineering? Or just move to gas engineering now straight away, or not at all switch..? Thanks..
The old Ideal WRS and Concorde......the only boiler that goes supersonic when it falls off a wall. I saw one go clean through a worktop as the wall fixings had failed and it was only held on by the flow and return......and when they were cut.....off it went, but it wasn't me.....!!
Not trashing anyone just pointing out an honest observation. I still can't believe that nat gas is installed in CU in The UK. The copper I see they use tends to be a softer grade as I see plumbers on these videos from The UK bending 3/4" pipe by hand so you can imagine how easy a nail could pop a hole in it . Most homes tend to not have basements so the cu seems to be run under floor board, behind walls etc. Perfect candidate for a accidental stray nail or go undetected until a good volume is leaked out to living space. In Canada cu is typically used for water lines only and all our cu pipe is hard drawn but most important our gas installs are all in Black Iron pipe. Any leaks and you can unthread and tighten or replace fittings. We are seeing more CSST installs but they tend to be more on the end of the line hook ups. Thanks for the Good video
@@AllenHart999 Watching your videos all the way in Sherwood Park in the Province of Alberta Canada. Enjoy seeing how different things are done in Canada to America and The UK . I visit Scotland a few times as we have relatives there. So different and interesting how you guys heat homes and your plumbing systems. Cheers!
Hi Alan my van has been broken in they drilled a 20mm hole above the lock on a Nissan nv200 I have noted you have good additional on you side door can you recommend who fitted your locks etc or where they on it already. Thanks Alex Perry
Maybe they didn't have a gas leak with a nail through the pipe. I have worked on jobs where someone has laid a floor and nailed through a water pipe, and it has been fine for 3-6 months and started leaking only as the nail rusted away.
Yes there is a problem with that carrier bag I believe a bag for life may have helped in this situation 👍 but seriously they are bad boilers / pipes but not that unusual.
Cap them first then tell them before you leave. They can get angry but it’s done. If I could do videos of half the stuff I see I would but my workplace would not allow it. I have seen cookers fitted with garden hoses, cooker tops glued to tops of units.
Some of those boilers are in a right state as you describe as “lethal” and yet government and gas safe is more worried about installation certificates being in place than a framework to identify and rectify these boilers that become lethal with age or tampering in order to maintain ongoing safety of the appliance which is far more important.
Mains carbon monoxide detectors should be mandatory near the boiler, or a part of the boiler is better, that have the mains to the boiler run though to cut the boiler out if the detector activates. But an idiot is an idiot, so he may disconnect it.
John Burns probably best to be part of the boiler. I’m actually surprised to be honest that with all the talk about emissions, and concerns about efficiency and CO that boilers don’t have built in flue gas monitoring capabilities similar to vehicles with lambda sensors that adjust the fuel air mixture and monitor emissions.
How customers allow it to get in such a state, probably vast majority of the time.. money... if somebody can not afford to replace it.. they will take their chances, not as a result of wanting to but necessity.
used to turn allen hart off spoke too slow for me , but i understand why because of being easily understood and for customer video reasons i apologise for my thoughts , i follow allen nearly every day on most of his vids great bloke great patience and i have so much info now i intend to follow mr hart from now on appreciate your vids allen thank you . dave gorrie
some bad one's there i have seen i nail through a water pipe before but the nail sealed the hole so there was no sign of water i only found it when ripping out the bathroom then the water started gushing out lol
People just don’t want to spend money on things as they say , it’s working ok with a bit of tinkering , they just don’t realise the danger they are putting themselves in . On a lighter note , they should have used a Waitrose bag on that board , much better quality......😀
I always get my lighter out to find a gas leak I’ve also been to a job gas leak and there was a soldered fitting that had never been soldered I think it must of held at the start tho as it had all been signed off crazy
Hi I heard you say you didn’t have the key. Well I’m amazed now how many stupid people are padlocking there gas meter boxes. How on earth are you going to get in to turn the gas off in an emergency
Absolutely disgusting. Do these people have no shame in what they do. Using a plastic carrier bag is stupid, it's 2020 and carbon is the worlds biggest issue. I hope you told them that in future, they should choose a bag for life
This is one of your best videos so far. It's always fascinating to see what an engineer finds now and again.
Thank you very much. What bag was it😂😂😂😂
People let their boilers get into that state because of how much it costs to get a boiler replaced. They greatly underestimate how dangerous it can be.
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RaxxHubNut in my experience and the experience of those around me, if it was the difference between a £2 roll of gaffer tape or a £6-700 boiler, the gaffer tape would win for the type of person who has a boiler in a state such as the one in this video. So l disagree.
Here in the states soft solder is prohibited for use on copper gas lines and recently they just stopped selling gas press fittings for copper ( something about the O-ring not passing a national standards test ). So it's back to brazing and using flare fittings on soft copper.
Merry Christmas
@@AllenHart999 , Merry Christmas from the St Louis metropolitan area and hopefully a safe 2021.
I'm in the industry and I have seen some really bad boilers but, your one's in this video are unbelievable!!!!
People really dont understand how lucky they are. ♨️♨️♨️
Great work AH 👍
But what bag was it 😂😂😂
I came across a hole in a chimney breast wall with an old tube TV in it. The flue was broken with a gas fire under. Fumes were entering the room from behind the TV. The TV was in danger of overheating then catching fire, even without the gas fire on. How they survived I don't know. It had been there for months. The man who lived there did it being unable to understand that it was lethal. The gas fire was isolated. Apparently he reconnected it.
Idiots are idiots. They will do what they want to do.
@@johnburns4017 That is horrendous John 🤨
People are so naive!!!
@@creative7530
Being naïve or an idiot are two different things. 🤨 You will always come across idiots. No rules or regs will stop them.
When you ripped the air freshener off , it cracked me up mate 🤣🤣🤣🤣👍🏼
😂😂😂It was doing my head in 😂😂😂😂😂
Question regarding gas rates. when checking the manufacturers instructions and the number given doesn't state if its gross or net what should you assume it is. cheers
Depends, Normally net.
@@AllenHart999 Cheers Allen. Keep it up, love the videos.
I recently replaced an expansion vessel on a Vokera Hydra which according to customer was 18 years old, it was in great shape for its age, think it’ll last another few years no problem. We are also replacing a lot of Vokera Maxins but mainly because the parts are becoming obsolete, if the parts were readily available they would also still be going no problem.
Ha ha those Ideal Concords bring back memories I’ve fitted loads in the day I was one of the original Corgi installers when it was a vile try members trad org my Reg no was less than 10 thousand members it’s staggering how it all went in later years ... and I did forty of them including later removing many .and changing them .... all single handed . I’m now retired with the back to prove it ... loving the vids keep up good work your a good conscientious tradesman u
👍👍👍
Hi Alan first pipework leak obviously not had any of the flux cleaned off it . Which could have contributed to the leak .Ideal did a version of that concord where a fan sat on top of the boiler and then into a conventional flue That burner was notorious for sooting on the conventional boiler as it was not easy to clean ,we used to wash them out in warm soapy water and then with fresh which did the trick or it was a new burner.
👍👍👍
Ha ha those Ideal Concords bring back memories I’ve fitted loads in the day I was one of the original Corgi installers when it was a members trade organisation and my Reg no was less than 10 thousand members it’s staggering how it all went in later years ... and I did forty of them ! This including later removing many .and changing them .... all single handed . I’m now retired with the back to prove it ... 😂😂😂 loving the vids keep up good work your a good conscientious heating/ plumbing engineer well done fella
Thanks for watching.
Hi my boiler is giving off a strong chemical almost like an adhesive gluey smell? The plumber came out today and didn't recognize the smell? Just wondered if you had any ideas? Thank you
I find it so Hard to believe this boiler was still running 🤣🤣
Hi Allen ,thanks for another great video, man the state of those boilers was unbelievable, It looked like one of the better Morrissons bags doing Stirling work there, no good using em now , you can't get quality bags anymore,lol. Keep em coming Allen it's great viewing, your a star . All the best,Stuart.w, yorks.
Thank you Stuart. 👍👍👍
jeezus blinking cor blimey, all very dangerous unbelievable its beyond a comment the home occupants are the blame apart from nail hole in pipe how a catastrophic event never occurred god only knows . great Vid alan thanks, and not sure if you would call that a bag for life ?
I’m a Worcester engineer, you can tell who has them serviced every year and who doesn’t, some appliances are in a really poor state. Good that the message is being put out there to make people aware. Would you run a car for 10 years without changing the oil or checking the water? Same principle with your boiler😊
Spot on. We need to try and have more people service boilers. Thanks for the comment Paul.👍👍👍
We go to some that are only 3-4 years old which are really clogged up. Important thing is not to oversize the boiler because it won’t modulate down enough to start condensing which should strip the oxide off the heat exchanger ( in theory), then go through the trap to waste. That’s why it’s so important to clean condensate traps, first thing I check👍🏻
@@paulkelly3254 We have a new Estate near us and they have installed 40 kw combis in all the houses, Some of them have about 5kw heat loss, Boiler just go on and back off again. Crazy. 👍
Madness. If it was a CDI or a Life/Style you can put the heat output down to suit, but I’d say only 10% of lads do that, manufacturers are trying to get low rate modulation down to 10% of total net output as the boiler heat exchangers are knackered in 5 years or so because they get hammered. Does the Isar spring to mind?😆
@@paulkelly3254 Pointless spending all that money on a boiler that you can not even use. Then they have actually made the system worse. Good to hear about the Worcester.
Hey I am 16 and I am in level 1 plumbing in college do u think I should complete it to be a qualified plumber and then go onto gas engineering? Or just move to gas engineering now straight away, or not at all switch..? Thanks..
Definitely a good idea to do plumbing as well as gas in my opinion. Thanks.
The old Ideal WRS and Concorde......the only boiler that goes supersonic when it falls off a wall. I saw one go clean through a worktop as the wall fixings had failed and it was only held on by the flow and return......and when they were cut.....off it went, but it wasn't me.....!!
😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😂👍
Thanks a mill very informative
Thank You
Well Alan reading the logo upside down I Make the shopping bag from Morrison supermarket !!!!!!!
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Not trashing anyone just pointing out an honest observation.
I still can't believe that nat gas is installed in CU in The UK. The copper I see they use tends to be a softer grade as I see plumbers on these videos from The UK bending 3/4" pipe by hand so you can imagine how easy a nail could pop a hole in it . Most homes tend to not have basements so the cu seems to be run under floor board, behind walls etc. Perfect candidate for a accidental stray nail or go undetected until a good volume is leaked out to living space. In Canada cu is typically used for water lines only and all our cu pipe is hard drawn but most important our gas installs are all in Black Iron pipe. Any leaks and you can unthread and tighten or replace fittings. We are seeing more CSST installs but they tend to be more on the end of the line hook ups. Thanks for the Good video
Where are you from Paul?
@@AllenHart999 Watching your videos all the way in Sherwood Park in the Province of Alberta Canada. Enjoy seeing how different things are done in Canada to America and The UK . I visit Scotland a few times as we have relatives there. So different and interesting how you guys heat homes and your plumbing systems. Cheers!
@@PaulHVAC1 Hi Paul. So very nice to have you watching. Thank You.
Great video Alan ! You nailed it ! 👏
Great job done again Allen as always 👍👍👍👍👍 shit some. People r so stupid we’re gas is
Chris you have let me down 😂😂😂😂What bag was it😂😂😂Thanks.
Hi Alan my van has been broken in they drilled a 20mm hole above the lock on a Nissan nv200 I have noted you have good additional on you side door can you recommend who fitted your locks etc or where they on it already.
Thanks Alex Perry
My van came like that, Ex BG van, Thanks.
Those ideal wrs/ wlx weigh a ton 😆😆 surprised it hadn’t given up & just fell off the wall years ago.
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I use Morrisons bag for life they last longer.. Great video again Allen keep them coming.
😂👍😱😂👍
Maybe they didn't have a gas leak with a nail through the pipe. I have worked on jobs where someone has laid a floor and nailed through a water pipe, and it has been fine for 3-6 months and started leaking only as the nail rusted away.
Yes there is a problem with that carrier bag I believe a bag for life may have helped in this situation 👍 but seriously they are bad boilers / pipes but not that unusual.
Is just me or are press fit fittings popular everywhere apart from the west midlands? When im up north i see them often but never around here
I like press fit. Thanks.
Hi Allen, do gas pipe filters get rid of debris and particles in the gas pipe?
I have never used one but i have seen some. Yes they would collect the bits and stop them going in boiler. 👍
Phil Michell what you doing fixing boilers
P.s keep the videos coming very good and interesting even though I am a heating engineer. Thanks Alex
What bag was it 😂😂😂😂
Great videos Allen keep them coming.
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Thank you so much. You didn’t answer which bag it was😂😂😂😂
Hi Allen a Morrison’s special bag 😂
You think they would have used a bag for life 😂😂😂
@@AllenHart999 or tesco value
What’s your approach on at risking/ I’ding appliances to the customer?
had a woman really not happy with her hob being turned off!
Just follow rules, If it’s ID and customer didn’t let me cap it just phone grid.👍
Cap them first then tell them before you leave. They can get angry but it’s done. If I could do videos of half the stuff I see I would but my workplace would not allow it. I have seen cookers fitted with garden hoses, cooker tops glued to tops of units.
Also “grid” does not do gas emergencies any more, it is Cadent.
Why did you put an ideal on and not a baxi or Viessmann?
This job was about 4 years ago. I still love the Ideal Vogue though. Thanks.
Looks like they never cleaned the flux off it and the flux has continued to eat away at the pipework
The fitting had cracked, I actually pulled it apart once i cut it. 👍👍👍
Some of those boilers are in a right state as you describe as “lethal” and yet government and gas safe is more worried about installation certificates being in place than a framework to identify and rectify these boilers that become lethal with age or tampering in order to maintain ongoing safety of the appliance which is far more important.
I have seen some really bad ones over the years. Thanks.👍
Mains carbon monoxide detectors should be mandatory near the boiler, or a part of the boiler is better, that have the mains to the boiler run though to cut the boiler out if the detector activates. But an idiot is an idiot, so he may disconnect it.
John Burns What bag was it John😂😂😂
John Burns probably best to be part of the boiler.
I’m actually surprised to be honest that with all the talk about emissions, and concerns about efficiency and CO that boilers don’t have built in flue gas monitoring capabilities similar to vehicles with lambda sensors that adjust the fuel air mixture and monitor emissions.
@@AllenHart999
Morrisons, a Bradford company I do believe.
How customers allow it to get in such a state, probably vast majority of the time.. money... if somebody can not afford to replace it.. they will take their chances, not as a result of wanting to but necessity.
Cannot understand how they get so bad. Thanks.
Shocking absolutely shocking so shocking...very very shocking
But what bag was it? 😂😂😂😂
Cant see mate my eyes are tearing from laughter
@@cohenyoel83 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂Just look at comments below 😂😂
Allen keep smiling dude. 😊
😂😂😂😂Thank you so much.
@@AllenHart999 ☻😊
Look at the state of the house obviously they can't afford a plumber, if plumbers were cheaper people wouldn't feel the need to fix them themselves.
Brilliant videos mate as usual 👍
Thank you.
Those wrs are as heavy as hell to get off
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Morrison's board for life bag lol
😂😂😂😂👍
Look at the amount of soldier
Really was a mess. 👍
used to turn allen hart off spoke too slow for me , but i understand why because of being easily understood and for customer video reasons i apologise for my thoughts , i follow allen nearly every day on most of his vids great bloke great patience and i have so much info now i intend to follow mr hart from now on appreciate your vids allen thank you . dave gorrie
Hi Dave, Thanks for watching 👍
some bad one's there i have seen i nail through a water pipe before but the nail sealed the hole so there was no sign of water i only found it when ripping out the bathroom then the water started gushing out lol
I have had that as well. My brother was lifting boards and water starting coming out, 😂😂😂
Leaf-full 😂
😂😂😂But what bag was it?😂😂😂
1st thing do is turn the handle off whilst on the phone to them
What bag was it😂😂😂
is a Morrison shopping bag that boiler looks scary not safe at all
You wouldn’t of thought it would still be working. 😂😂
Good lad. Well done.
What bag? 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Morrisons bag on circuit board ffs ideal concorde was in a poor condition and nail through gas pipe omg bet you have averted some dangerous situations
Can a gas leak cause brain damage from a boiler leak
Epic!
People just don’t want to spend money on things as they say , it’s working ok with a bit of tinkering , they just don’t realise the danger they are putting themselves in .
On a lighter note , they should have used a Waitrose bag on that board , much better quality......😀
😂😂😂😂😂
Out here saving life’s big al we should be on a better wage
But what bag was it? 😂😂😂
Looking like an old school Morrison’s lol
@@r1hopp010 👍👍👍👍
I always get my lighter out to find a gas leak I’ve also been to a job gas leak and there was a soldered fitting that had never been soldered I think it must of held at the start tho as it had all been signed off crazy
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I don't think they used enough solder lol
😂😂😂
Part number for that plastic bag is 51yy0w
😂❤👍😂Who stocks them?
Is that Mackies van?
No, That,s my van. I bought an old BG van. What bag was it? 😂😂😂😂
My relays still going strong,Mackie killed his lol
@@markdaniel5166 He has a sprinter now, It’s a really nice van.
Morrisons is usually very good,
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂👍
Al's word of the day SHOCKING 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
My wife keeps saying that to me after watching the video 😂😂
I could tell that was an older video straight away by the colour of your hair 😂
😂😂😂What hair😂😂😂What bag was it?
Morrison bag
@@s.l669 👍👍👍
Morrisons shopping bag
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Morrisons?
👍👍👍👍
More reasons to shop at Morrison’s 😂
😂😂😂😂
TeSco Recycling ♻️ Bag.
quality vid again
But what bag was it? Thanks.
Leaf-al
Did you like that😂😂😂😂
Kick save
It’s a Morrison’s bag
😂😂😂😂😂👍
Hi I heard you say you didn’t have the key. Well I’m amazed now how many stupid people are padlocking there gas meter boxes. How on earth are you going to get in to turn the gas off in an emergency
Thank You
Looks like one of the old Morrison’s plastic bags
More reasons to shop at 😂😂😂😂
Morrison’s plastic bag it looks like!
😂😂😂👍❤👍
No 2 Morrisons
More reason to shop at 😂😂😂
Absolutely disgusting. Do these people have no shame in what they do. Using a plastic carrier bag is stupid, it's 2020 and carbon is the worlds biggest issue. I hope you told them that in future, they should choose a bag for life
No 3 so its older than you then Allen
About the same age 😂😂😂
Morrisons bag 😂
New safety device for boilers😂😂😂
Lol 😂
😂😂😂
Morrison’s 😂😂
😂😂😂😂👍
Morrison's. At least get a bag for life
Morrisons bag
😂😂😂👍Should of used a bag for life👍
tesco
Morrison's😂
😂😂😂