joel if you just want to talk about the negative things about matthew stafford just because he throw 17 interceptions he is not a top 5 QB then why don't we talk about the negative things about mahomes when he was the worse super bowl mvp of all time did you forgot that did you forgot that mahomes was the worse QB performer in a super bowl in nfl history did you forgot that if jimmy G played decent and didn't play so bad in the super bowl the 49ers would of won the super bowl mahomes is not a hall of famer dude don't act like mahomes has not been in a team with a very good roster put mahomes in detroit where matthew stafford has been in his whole entire career mahomes will not accomplish nothing mahomes has never elevated mediocre players you can't not act like losing tyreek hill is not going to make this offense take a big hit it is tyreek hill is not replaceable if that's what you think
Had to type into UA-cam Jason Preston because I didn’t know who he was, but after my research I now remember he was in that one draft and I had no expectations for him then and now.
The offer for KD was 2 weeks ago and the Celtics declined the counter offer cause they don’t want to give up Smart. Every team probably called and threw out an offer for KD to see what the price is and the Celtics offer going public is just unfortunate for Jaylen Brown’s chemistry with the team. To me the only thing this changes is I think Jaylen would want to leave in free agency instead resign no matter if they win a ring. It just makes him not interested in wanting to play with the Celtics organization.
Bro needs to chill with the Stafford hate, it’s maddening. Stafford is an amazing quarterback that was loyal to a trash team and organization. Stafford would’ve have those “accolades” on a better team. Longevity matters. Other qbs don’t win the super bowl because other qbs don’t beat Brady and the bucs because OTHER QBS are NOT as clutch in the last 2 minutes of an NFL game. Time and time again, Stafford has shown to be clutch, and to even compare him in the same sentence as Carson wentz from this past season is mad disrespectful. You look at the passes Stafford makes and the passes wentz makes. Stafford is like a blackjack player who knows how to count cards while wentz is mindlessly on a slot machine; the touchdowns wentz threw were incredibly risky and overall not smart decisions other qbs would make, and he was lucky to have the TD:int ratio he had. HE ALSO LOST TO THE JAGS TO NOT MAKE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS. Pls pls pls give Stafford his respect you just look like someone who doesn’t watch football with takes like that
Mahomes is NOT HOF if he retires tomorrow put mahomes in detroit hes not accomplishing anything lets not act like he didnt have the best coach top 3 WR Top TE one year stafford was in a great system he won a superbowl 🤷🏽♂️
Just compare this season where they both had good teams but mahomes had more experience with his team matt stafford had more yards with 57 less att more td and higher passer rating he did have 4 more int but ultimately stafford got a superbowl with a new team new system and had a better year than mahomes siding with drew on this one lock it in
3:04:08 Uh, Andrew, that info was getting out no matter what. Every single deal is logged with the NFL PA and League Office and generally open to the public. There was zero chance that wasn't getting out. The only way to stop it was to not have it in there.
2:22:42 The reason people go hard on Tua is because in that first year quite a few Dolphins fans went rabid on anyone saying they thought Herbert or Burrow were better. It left a bad taste in everyone's mouths. That's happened with certain toxic portions of Bengals and Chargers fans, but it just seemed quite a bit more prevalent with Dolphins fans.
I love how Joel and Andrew were discussing whether Matthew Stafford belongs in the Hall of Fame. Joel Dehls, Joel Moran, and Andrew all discussed Matthew Stafford's hall of fame credentials after the Superbowl. Why did you guys revisit the same segment again?
2:18:01 Nah Joel is buggin at this point. Like I was with him for most of the way, but if Mahones retires tomorrow (especially coming off last year) he's not a Hall of Famer. Well, first ballot I guess. The base in Joel's voice makes me think he's arguing Mahomes is a lock first ballot and i just find it ludicrous in four seasons a guy is first ballot. His numbers historically wouldn't hold up and it's such a short time. Especially with his underwhelming performances in both Super Bowls. To me if you don't have six or more years actively playing you shouldn't be a Hall of Famer. Longevity is important. The only real exception is Eli Manning because his two runs were against Tom Brady. So yeah just based on the highs Mahomes is probably in after a couple ballots, but come on, usually a great quarterback should get in on their first ballot. It's not really like other positions where you might wait a few years.
People don’t realize that tatum gets first option pressure from other teams so brown gets to get loose and have more freedom on the offensive end. I love JB but he and Tatum didn’t play that well. They both turned the ball over crazy. But if you could get KD for JB white grant Williams and like 2-3 first round picks you can’t be mad at them for going for it. But I would run it back. They just run the risk of jb being a free agent in two years and people will throw a bag at him.
Sammy Watkins will miss some of the training camp but will come back soon it was just a minor hamstring injury. Christion Watson had surgery on his leg so he will miss most of half and training camp
Rumor has it the Raps offer was in the area of OG and GTJ plus picks for KD. Are you insane Joel, you want the Raps to offer the same package for Mitchell? The Raps have to gave up two starters that can each score up to 30 ppg and both play elite defense for Mitchell and you want them to add picks on top of that? WTF,😂🤣😂🤣 Thank the lord the Raps have Webster/Masai running the shop in Toronto. Funny thing is I don't see you putting RJ or something of value in the Knicks trade besides picks. Lets get real here.
Mavs are the best option for sexton he is a bucket and aggressive attacking the rim playing with luka just helps players, mavs losing brunson a secondary scorer next to luka can hurt them just take a shot on him
@@professorsolo6484 oh give me a break. Paul pierce was one of the most awkward unathletic looking athlete of all time. (Who I’d compare RJ too “with a hint of manu”) Stiff, rigid, unorthodox. Idc. RJ is in an elite class in terms of points rebounds and assist totals in his young NBA career. He is a baller.
On the top shot was that their actual picks for Most Improved or they just going for highlights. Cause if Ant is in the running for most improved that award is just a complete joke now. Ant was a Number 1 PICK. He supposed to be that good
Jaylen Brown does not guard the best player lmao. He does AT TIMES but I saw Tatum and Horford on Giannis not Jaylen Brown. Who spent more time on KD in the 1st round? That would be Tatum. Who was guarding Steph in the finals? That would be Marcus Smart and Derrick White
Matt stafford is one of best quarterbacks in history statistically ...thats just facts i dont know why joel keeps arguing about it for no reason ....dude really argues just for the sake of it .....man trying so hard to be a bargain bin version of skip bayless
@@pickaside yes he is statistically but staffords stats is much better under scrutiny eli's isnt eli's td int is pretty bad...what are you trying to say? ......
@@digontozahid Eli beats Stafford in passing yards and touchdowns and has gone on two super bowl runs while having super bowl MVPs. The Giants weren’t this perfect organization either. He routinely had terrible offensive lines. Nobody says Eli is one of the greatest QBs ever. Stafford definitely isn’t.
@@pickaside eli manning played longer than stafford and didnt miss time for injuries so offcourse he has more tds and passing yards ...stafford consistently had way better singular seasons than eli....what are you even arguing eli is not even in the same tier as stafford never has been ....and long parts of staffords career is still to be written..matthew stafford will be a hofer and all time great by the time he finishes .....you can make all the hypotheticals you want about which qb would have done what but the real fact is matthew stafford proved himself in his very first year at rams with winning the superbowl and having one of the most clutch postseason in nfl history after leaving the worst run team in organized sports you can try to demean it all you want with the hypotheticals but stafford proved his greatness last season he wil keep doing it with a competent organization....people who followed matthew stafford always knew how talented he really was there is a reason lions fans still love him and always will
14:28 “he (jaylen brown) hasn’t learned to dribble yet” Jaylen Brown definitely has above average handles, his package is very comparable to Paul George
Maaaaan we proud of y’all for this 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾came a long ass way and Jason is the first of many nba players to join this god tier pod
Drew got me crying LMFAOO “ he was up 28-3. He had so many chances to get 1 “ lmfaoo I’m crying
i think i started watching this podcast from a clip of joel defending lamar. he didn't disappoint me here.
3 hour episodes are back🔥🔥
nah y'all wild for that manscape topic😂😂
how do these guys only have 26k subs? This is one of the best NBA pods on youtube
3hrs?! Worth the wait 👌🏽
It's finally nice to hear Joel finally give Lamar his flowers
Always a good day when we get a new episode of the best sports podcast out there 🫡
LMFAOOOO that whole Patrick mahomes shit was comedy😭😭
Best podcast out here !
These boys did it again 🔥
Love the work J Pres 🤝
1:24:22-1:34:00 is gold 🤣
Yo this podcast had me dying bro LMAO Joel with the nut claps 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
joel if you just want to talk about the negative things about matthew stafford just because he throw 17 interceptions he is not a top 5 QB then why don't we talk about the negative things about mahomes when he was the worse super bowl mvp of all time did you forgot that did you forgot that mahomes was the worse QB performer in a super bowl in nfl history did you forgot that if jimmy G played decent and didn't play so bad in the super bowl the 49ers would of won the super bowl mahomes is not a hall of famer dude don't act like mahomes has not been in a team with a very good roster put mahomes in detroit where matthew stafford has been in his whole entire career mahomes will not accomplish nothing mahomes has never elevated mediocre players you can't not act like losing tyreek hill is not going to make this offense take a big hit it is tyreek hill is not replaceable if that's what you think
Had to type into UA-cam Jason Preston because I didn’t know who he was, but after my research I now remember he was in that one draft and I had no expectations for him then and now.
Love to hear It 😮💨💪🏾
The offer for KD was 2 weeks ago and the Celtics declined the counter offer cause they don’t want to give up Smart. Every team probably called and threw out an offer for KD to see what the price is and the Celtics offer going public is just unfortunate for Jaylen Brown’s chemistry with the team. To me the only thing this changes is I think Jaylen would want to leave in free agency instead resign no matter if they win a ring. It just makes him not interested in wanting to play with the Celtics organization.
Broooooo I been waiting for this for days mam
Bro needs to chill with the Stafford hate, it’s maddening. Stafford is an amazing quarterback that was loyal to a trash team and organization. Stafford would’ve have those “accolades” on a better team. Longevity matters. Other qbs don’t win the super bowl because other qbs don’t beat Brady and the bucs because OTHER QBS are NOT as clutch in the last 2 minutes of an NFL game. Time and time again, Stafford has shown to be clutch, and to even compare him in the same sentence as Carson wentz from this past season is mad disrespectful. You look at the passes Stafford makes and the passes wentz makes. Stafford is like a blackjack player who knows how to count cards while wentz is mindlessly on a slot machine; the touchdowns wentz threw were incredibly risky and overall not smart decisions other qbs would make, and he was lucky to have the TD:int ratio he had. HE ALSO LOST TO THE JAGS TO NOT MAKE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS. Pls pls pls give Stafford his respect you just look like someone who doesn’t watch football with takes like that
Need a would you rather: Brandon Ingram edition
2:15:50 told that nigga watch his tone 😂😂😂. Why that didn’t make it on the tik tok 😂.
Mahomes is NOT HOF if he retires tomorrow put mahomes in detroit hes not accomplishing anything lets not act like he didnt have the best coach top 3 WR Top TE one year stafford was in a great system he won a superbowl 🤷🏽♂️
Just compare this season where they both had good teams but mahomes had more experience with his team matt stafford had more yards with 57 less att more td and higher passer rating he did have 4 more int but ultimately stafford got a superbowl with a new team new system and had a better year than mahomes siding with drew on this one lock it in
1:12:00 im from argentina riv and i love you man
Damn riv stop disrespecting ad lmaooo
Shoutout to Jason Preston for making more entertaining
3:04:08 Uh, Andrew, that info was getting out no matter what. Every single deal is logged with the NFL PA and League Office and generally open to the public. There was zero chance that wasn't getting out. The only way to stop it was to not have it in there.
The Stafford hating is crazy drew always got the best takes
2:22:42 The reason people go hard on Tua is because in that first year quite a few Dolphins fans went rabid on anyone saying they thought Herbert or Burrow were better. It left a bad taste in everyone's mouths. That's happened with certain toxic portions of Bengals and Chargers fans, but it just seemed quite a bit more prevalent with Dolphins fans.
It’s about damn time
Y’all really blowing up man congrats on the success 🎊
Bro the mahomes tirade had me IN TEARSSSSS
I love how Joel and Andrew were discussing whether Matthew Stafford belongs in the Hall of Fame. Joel Dehls, Joel Moran, and Andrew all discussed Matthew Stafford's hall of fame credentials after the Superbowl. Why did you guys revisit the same segment again?
2:18:01 Nah Joel is buggin at this point. Like I was with him for most of the way, but if Mahones retires tomorrow (especially coming off last year) he's not a Hall of Famer. Well, first ballot I guess. The base in Joel's voice makes me think he's arguing Mahomes is a lock first ballot and i just find it ludicrous in four seasons a guy is first ballot. His numbers historically wouldn't hold up and it's such a short time. Especially with his underwhelming performances in both Super Bowls. To me if you don't have six or more years actively playing you shouldn't be a Hall of Famer. Longevity is important. The only real exception is Eli Manning because his two runs were against Tom Brady. So yeah just based on the highs Mahomes is probably in after a couple ballots, but come on, usually a great quarterback should get in on their first ballot. It's not really like other positions where you might wait a few years.
People don’t realize that tatum gets first option pressure from other teams so brown gets to get loose and have more freedom on the offensive end. I love JB but he and Tatum didn’t play that well. They both turned the ball over crazy. But if you could get KD for JB white grant Williams and like 2-3 first round picks you can’t be mad at them for going for it. But I would run it back. They just run the risk of jb being a free agent in two years and people will throw a bag at him.
Clip gang
Ad over Joel is so crazy
Yessir Clippers king Jason
29:20-29:35 is the best 🤣
"the crackheads" I lost my top when he said that😭
Damn that stafford debate got heated
Yea Riv hates AD. I’m taking AD over all them guys.
Except jokic
Joel wasn't making the Matthew Stafford argument in good faith AT ALL.
Sammy Watkins will miss some of the training camp but will come back soon it was just a minor hamstring injury. Christion Watson had surgery on his leg so he will miss most of half and training camp
I'd like this pod so much more without the guy in the middle. Dudes a headache
There is no show without him
@@haaaaandrew why do u hate mahomes
@@statix785 I gave him a lot of respect this episode
I see both sides on that Matthew stafford debate.
1:28:45 that weak a*s AD highlight ...what are we talking about ?😂😂😂🤦🏽♂️....
Rumor has it the Raps offer was in the area of OG and GTJ plus picks for KD. Are you insane Joel, you want the Raps to offer the same package for Mitchell? The Raps have to gave up two starters that can each score up to 30 ppg and both play elite defense for Mitchell and you want them to add picks on top of that? WTF,😂🤣😂🤣 Thank the lord the Raps have Webster/Masai running the shop in Toronto. Funny thing is I don't see you putting RJ or something of value in the Knicks trade besides picks. Lets get real here.
AD dominated Jokic on multiple occasions so AD being over Jokic is not far fetched🤦🏾♂️
LaMelo Ball enters the chat
Thumbs up first 👍👍
Jason Preston ! !
Jamal scoring doesn’t put him over Ben Simmons elite defense and playmaking
Jokic and embiid are on there own tier
I think Kirk Cousins is better than Stafford. Cousins numbers have been top 10 in yards and top 6 in TDs the past two seasons.
Mavs are the best option for sexton he is a bucket and aggressive attacking the rim playing with luka just helps players, mavs losing brunson a secondary scorer next to luka can hurt them just take a shot on him
“RJ’s stiff” Stiff literally means strong. Which your correct he has been one of the strongest players in the nba since he was 18 years old
No it means stiff as in rigid mobility. He’s not a fluid athlete but he can offset that due to how strong he is.
@@professorsolo6484 oh give me a break. Paul pierce was one of the most awkward unathletic looking athlete of all time. (Who I’d compare RJ too “with a hint of manu”) Stiff, rigid, unorthodox. Idc. RJ is in an elite class in terms of points rebounds and assist totals in his young NBA career. He is a baller.
@@joshcarter2512 you’re insane for comparing RJ and Paul Pierce lol. PP is legit one of the smoothest players of all time. RJ is nothing like that.
@@professorsolo6484 no Carmelo is smooth. PP is clunky af. But the ball goes in.
On the top shot was that their actual picks for Most Improved or they just going for highlights. Cause if Ant is in the running for most improved that award is just a complete joke now. Ant was a Number 1 PICK. He supposed to be that good
Noti gang
are you guys only doing 1 podcast a week now??
We’re recording again Saturday
Matt Ryan always had the better teams 💯💯 so he benefited from winning
Holy shit yall got an actual NBA Player and a good one too in Jason hes gonna have a good year this year with John on the team can only help him grow
shoutout JP
GO LIVE FOR #200 PICK A SIDE LIKE THIS SO THEY SEE IT
Wait if longevity and passing attempts are what he holds against Stafford what about Brady? Who's been going absolutely bombs away in passing attempts
....one has 7 rings lol
@@rylee1k that's true but that being said people still hate on a LeBron for example for longevity stats
Fire Willie and griff
Drew is a sick man.just look at the football reference.Outside of longevity stats Patrick mahomes has accomplished so more than stafford.
9.Correction *MIP picks/Manscaped off the Deep end Discussion* 😂
Lamar is a better QUARTERBACK than Deshaun Watson ? Cmon man
Yes he is way better next level better
So if a basketball player comes in gets a ring finals MVP and an MVP would they be a lock hall of famer if they only play 2 years? 🤔
YOU DON’T WIN AWARDS IN GOD DAMN DETROIT 😭 why does he hate stafford he was disrespected his entire prime because he was In Detroit
Bam and Spyda can’t be on the same team
Jaylen Brown does not guard the best player lmao. He does AT TIMES but I saw Tatum and Horford on Giannis not Jaylen Brown. Who spent more time on KD in the 1st round? That would be Tatum. Who was guarding Steph in the finals? That would be Marcus Smart and Derrick White
Fr it’s rare I seen him guard the other teams number 1
Bo Jackson, didn’t start playing football until October when baseball ended . So he missed like 4-5 games a year
Did y’all just say fully healthy y’all takin Boston of Milwaukee?
Jamal Murray is better than Ben Simmons?
Matthew Stafford was top 5 2011
I need to see Draymond on a different team. Portland
How did you guys get lamelo ball to appear lol
57:15
Nah this nigga was disrespecting Tatum ngl😭
MIP pick is Deandre Ayton
You think he’s gonna be 23PPG+ and 11 rebounds a game for the suns next year?
Im not gone lie my dumbass be tweaking I mean Deandre Hunter 😂😂😂
@@betweendalinesnbapodcast3733 ohh 😂😂
Lfg lads
YO WHAT ARE WE TALKIN ABOUT
Joel girlfriend got love Melo cause his hate for him is disgusting
jason preston lowkey kinda recency bias
super sus in the middle
lol
Theis isn’t even on the Celtics no more y’all lol
Matt stafford is one of best quarterbacks in history statistically ...thats just facts i dont know why joel keeps arguing about it for no reason ....dude really argues just for the sake of it .....man trying so hard to be a bargain bin version of skip bayless
Eli Manning is also statistically one of the best QBs ever. Is he? No.
@@pickaside yes he is statistically but staffords stats is much better under scrutiny eli's isnt eli's td int is pretty bad...what are you trying to say? ......
@@digontozahid Eli beats Stafford in passing yards and touchdowns and has gone on two super bowl runs while having super bowl MVPs. The Giants weren’t this perfect organization either. He routinely had terrible offensive lines. Nobody says Eli is one of the greatest QBs ever. Stafford definitely isn’t.
@@pickaside eli manning played longer than stafford and didnt miss time for injuries so offcourse he has more tds and passing yards ...stafford consistently had way better singular seasons than eli....what are you even arguing eli is not even in the same tier as stafford never has been ....and long parts of staffords career is still to be written..matthew stafford will be a hofer and all time great by the time he finishes .....you can make all the hypotheticals you want about which qb would have done what but the real fact is matthew stafford proved himself in his very first year at rams with winning the superbowl and having one of the most clutch postseason in nfl history after leaving the worst run team in organized sports you can try to demean it all you want with the hypotheticals but stafford proved his greatness last season he wil keep doing it with a competent organization....people who followed matthew stafford always knew how talented he really was there is a reason lions fans still love him and always will
@@digontozahid Eli Manning proved himself by beating Tom Brady twice in the SB 😂
AYOOOO
14:28 “he (jaylen brown) hasn’t learned to dribble yet”
Jaylen Brown definitely has above average handles, his package is very comparable to Paul George
I love Brown but he is no were near PG. PG legit got stupid handles
Nba player
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joel it's outrageous calling mahomes a hall of famer
He is
@@statix785 lmao especially if it is in the context of the conversation.mahomes has better case than fucking stafford