Pierre is someone with whom I'd love to have a nice set of beverages and about ten hours to discuss life, the universe, and everything! Thanks for bringing us another interview with him, Jeffrey!
This has become among my favorite channels. Great work! Great interviewer doing a great interview! Also, Iv'e met Pierre and man what a deep guy he is! Not just deep but sincere and genuine. Im grateful to have found this channel =)
I am impressed with the knowledge and clarity of mind expressed by Pierre Grimes, who it would seem is in his mid 90's. It would be interesting to hear him talk of his experiences with Alan Watts and Joseph Campbell, if you have the opportunity to interview him again.
I've been checking to see if Pierre was still going from time to time for many years. I just found out he passed away in June 2024. I took several classes from him at GWC in the early 90s. He was both a great and not so great teacher. I learned more skills from his classes than anything else and I'm indebted. On the other hand, he discouraged note taking, there wasn't much of a structured course in some of his classes that made you feel what the hell has the whole semester been about?... and just left you unprepared for the final. He also got sidetracked pursuing his own esoteric philosophical interests despite the class being billed as a general survey. The best class was Western Religion where we were introduced to New Testament scholarship and analyzed the Gospel of Mark to learn it was a Greek tragedy. To have his philosophical passion and live to 99 must be an ideal life.
First, gonna is not a word. Second, why don't you refer to him as Dr Grimes? And, third, what does his physical appearance have to do with the richness of what he is saying??
Jeff Mishlove is a treasure. Like no one else I've seen over my many years, he is able to contribute to every conversation with every guest, on every level. He's not a nationally recognized figure, which tells you that the real gems are hidden in plain sight.
Love this guy. His erudition is first rate and his temperament so kind and agreeable. His love of learning is truly contagious. Neoplatonism has intrigued me for years, so this interview was a real pleasure. Jeff was the at the IANDS conference in September and he added so much.
Its great so see Pierre again! Thank you Jeffrey! I´m quite surprised to hear Pierre's view on the Neoplatonists, I can see why he says they lost some of the essence of Plato, and fitted Plato's ideas for their purposes. I wonder what are his views on someone like Thomas Taylor, who believed in the sayings of the Neoplatonists when they affirmed that Plato's philosophy comes from Orphism. Pretty much Thomas Taylor states his firm belief of this in all the introductions to his translations. Then again, I don´t think Thomas Taylor focused so much on the pre-Socratic as he did on the Platonic philosophers. As a Platonist, I am happy to know the search for the truth in Plato's writing is still going strong.
Neoplatonism is (maybe) the most important branch of the Western Philosophy. The Neoplatonic Henology is a rare glimpse in West of the (as the advaitins says) non-dual Truth
@@TheLastOutlaw-KTS I also find Neoplatonism the most intriguing and compelling, and it probably has been the most influential Greek philosophy over almost two millenia. You see it's inflence everywhere through the centuries, in both maInstream and mystical Christianity, Islam, philosophy, the Italian Renaissance - Pico, Ficino, the Cambridge Platonists in the early enlightenment era, the Romantic painters and poets in the 19th century, right on down, in current times, to a host of websites, books, and other media engaging esoteric topics.
Small correction. Al Farabi was called the second teach after Aristotle. But yes, he was influenced by Sabieans of Haran in Syria. Which was the center for Neoplatonism for centuries before and after and probably still until today.
I am grateful for this, because I have not really understood how the Neoplatonists related to Plato. I like Plotinus very much but am not such a big fan of Plato, and I have been trying to figure out where theurgy fits. Theurgy was not something new brought out by the Neoplatonists though maybe Iamblichus used that word but wasn't it part of Ancient Egyptian religion and also of the pre-Socratic Greeks like Parmenides? Maybe I should read the Balboa translations of Plato, though I am more drawn to Xenophenes and Parmenides and their vision of the Whole, of Oneness.
Brillant conversation. Challenging for the human intellect/language to know and define what is: the self (experiential self), a state of mind, logos/the one, the superconscious. Are they states of being and/or awareness? We think with a given, predetermined coherent substance/state we call brain/mind. I do like the notion that humans participate in an underlying universal wisdom. Thank you.
Dr Grimes differentiates between "the one" and "nothingness" in early philosophical teachings. And he mentions that this is what the Buddhists were into. However, today's Buddhists are fixated mostly on the objective reality, because they really do not look into the sense of self. They talk about "the one," but have nothing more than a confused intellectual understanding. It is this "nothingness" that is the core of what we are, but it means obviating the self to find it, and very few are interested in this because the self is being used to pretend that it can improve itself.
Well, Plotinus saw himself as Platonist seeking right interpretation to explain his mystical/religious experiences through Plato (and others) who he saw as true. He was against the Gnostics and Christians but all were welcome at his school, which was free and open to the public. This discussion shows how the modern mind sees things-very different than in the period discussed. Neoplatonism is a 19th century construct of which Plotinus would not have understood or related. He also wouldn't have seen himself as "new thinking" as the idea is formulated now. Also, the Enneads were written by Plotinus then organized and edited after his death by Poryphyry, a student and companion late in Plotinus' life. They weren't student notes. Plotinus wrote in more of a stream of conscious manner, didn't review or edit (or correct spelling!). I sense a lot of ego in Grimes-not the humility authentically found in Plotinus.
@Chalk O'holic I'm not following, although my response to Plotinus is personal. From what Porphyry said (if you can believe him), Plotinus did not see the material world as a spiritual desert but where one expressed one's spiritual growth. He did not pursue material things but expressed himself fully in the material world. He was even appointed guardian of children of friends who were approaching death. That would indicate their trust in Plotinus' functioning in the material world. And I totally disagree with your statement about theurgy. Proclus lived 200 years after and this philosophy probably was very different after the Roman Empire made Christianity the official religion. Proclus may have just wanted to compete! If so, however, he ultimately lost... But then, it's all personal and what works for you might not work for me. That doesn't mean my approach is inferior, and if you think it does, that says something about you. About depression, many of the great mystics had experiences of "the dark" - and after all, Plotinus was very sick (possibly with leprosy) and many of his followers abandoned him. Porphyry was away because he was encouraged to recollect himself due to his own depression. His response was only human. After all, many great thinkers and artists suffered from depression. It doesn't diminish their output. It just makes them human.
I just read online where Grimes promotes himself as having "developed, to perhaps the highest level in human history [are you kidding?], the use of the Socratic dialectic for understanding human problems and thereby attaining excellence." No ego? I prefer the Tao Te Ching's line, "those who know don't talk, and those who talk, don't know". There's just something about this guy that doesn't ring true to me. Porphyry had to make Plotinus write, and Plotinus' own mentor, Ammonius Saccas didn't write anything. We know nothing of this teachings. I wish I could find guidence from the likes of them these days. Both strike me as profound expressions of true humility.
Oh I forgot I wrote that what sort of around the same subject they didn't have the word deism maybe or some kind of maybe God minds his own business like a scientist in the world's like a petri dish and he doesn't like have to pay that much attention to it because of the way quantum mechanics will things and but a pluton is tried to show the one he lived in Zeus territory where it might be heretical to believe in Jesus but by doing so he made a form of he is in that doesn't operate sociologically the same as what the word deism would in the society matrix which that is a story that explains a lot I think if you were looking for one and I think it's kind of like the film The matrix where the 90s was the Pinnacle of all scientific and things to hinge off of it would be from then and that's why people could recycle a pecking order sort of if you were looking and more socio aspect but by showing the graph of one and God the Father it kind of shows and I've done it when I was a child where you sort of do a play where you're like well if you didn't do everything I approved of Jesus I'm sort of representing yourself is as a false weight zealot because you'd have to go back to BC times and while you're there and not finding a reference to say the obviousness of God's existence through at least intelligent design or something then you represent yourself as a so let no at all you know to make fun of you know to try to fight fire with fire with Jesus is just a typical rundown and by doing so you kind of like since it's sociological oppression you use that same sociological you know the upright start the one that I call the star of the fighters maybe but they might not know something they you know we'll fight for your cuz or whatever and then you know and then you get to live life and your own mind at least in those that are also like mystically connected or whatever that you're responsible for cuz you might live by like an unwritten book of you know truths that even if improvise have to fit in fit the bill which I think would go back to the 90s or whatever I think that's something at least I hope that's good food for thought
Many typos in this but basically a platinas didn't go to the court when he was 76 because of heresy for any other reason besides that he did what a person like I did basically when I was good what do I call it pulling a Plotinus then you do that play and live by as an act so that way you know you're not as prone or indefinitely prone to being a socialist because you actually get to live your life plus you have a goal you have to share whatever you get out of life that they don't with them so that way you can live it also and it all seems to fit well I was listening to music I was telling my friend over here about and the entire albums were made even when I was five or even before then or less than 10 even to all lead up to the music being what was happening at the same time you know so people could see the future and I've heard stories and such and yada yada
And yes the antecedent consequent chart that you could use with what I was referring to as a false weight zealot like you know a picture you know imagine a picture and then there's a different picture there you're talking about truce and what's the truth and everything is like a truth and a lie at the same time
Plotinus seems to have died from a strange skin disease some think the rare cancer we now call mycosis fungoides a type of lymphoma.a great light went out in the world when he died.
Hey, could you please provide me with the source where they say that Plotinus died of mycosis fungoides? I've been googling about this, and I couldn't find anything related to his death.
@@TheDeathopper I can't remember where but it was said that he died of a strange skin disease and leprosy wouldn't have been strange at the time so it was spectaculated that it might have been one of the Cutaneous T Cell Lymphomas,all very rare but Mycosis Fungoides is the most common of them so more likely a person would have that than an even rarer type.
@@kevanhubbard9673 I'm asking because your comment was a strange moment of synchronicity for me. I'm a medical student who was actually studying that very disease on the day I posted my comment. I was watching this video late at night before going to bed and was struck by how the very rare disease I was learning about that day ended up being the cause of death of the philosopher I was interested in learning more about that night!
@@TheDeathopper I think that many cases are indolent and it looks like eczema or psoriasis but about 30 percent, depending on the source, of people develop the advanced Mycosis Fungoides which causes mortality via skin infection and/or heavy organ infiltration.Strangley my sister had a friend who died two years ago from stage 4a MF (I don't know the mechanism which lead to death) and years ago my mother's friend died from a closely related lymphoma called PCTL NOS which had been misdiagnosed as ezecma and psoriasis although I don't think it would have made much difference to the outcome had it been correctly diagnosed.
I think the catholic/orthodox mass being a form of theurgy is very true! I don't think this theurgic ritualistic mode of understanding and practicing the Lords supper is Biblical in any way. Yet it certainly is a result of the influence of late paganism on early Catholicism. Or at least a sort of parallel development in both religions.
When you are discussing "the self" in Greek philosophy, I assume that you are referring to the word αὐτός. But αὐτός can be used as a reflexive pronoun ("I myself did it"), a marker for an abstract idea ("by or in itself"), a third person personal pronoun (as a replacement for "he" or "she") in addition to the use as a noun like "the self". If you are using translations, this distinction will get even more difficult. How do you make sure that you are not projecting your own ideas into these ancient texts when you are scanning for appearances of "the self" ?
That is the wrong way to think about it. Plato was far ahead of his time. There was just no way his way of thinking could work during times where might is right ruled. To ferment the fruit of ancient Greek philosophy into fine whine, it required Christianity as it's barrel. For Christianity was the immerse force required to subjugate the monstrous force of the will to power. Christianity is the right hand of modern man, while ancient greek philosophy is the left. Both where required to create the modern man.
The beautiful thing is all of the great ideas that were lost in the West, similar concepts and ideas developed in Eastern Philosophy and were preserved in the great books of the East.
In the relationship between ghosts and gods, inner goodness is called God. Inner terror, fear, greed and desire to hurt others do not necessarily help themselves, forming heart demons. Heart demons are called ghosts. Therefore, human beings choose to be gods and ghosts. Good people are not afraid of ghosts, and ghosts are afraid of good people. Therefore, there is no ghost. There is no ghost on the earth, and there is no chemical basis. If there is a ghost, it is a chemical effect
Theurgy is now seem as other word for magic rituals but because it was seen through the eyes of later christian world but by their own view as the etimology tells us its a divine work, a communion by modern values religious ritual as any other but a self centered one...IMO
A lot of vague information in regards to Neoplatonism ..it seems this was titled wrongly, and should have been titled Plato vs' Neoplatonism. How could you mention Neoplatonism without once mentioning Porphyry of Tyre and his Enneads of Plotinus describing Neoplatonism? ...and then how could you compare the recording of Plotinus' teachings to the personal opinions of Porphyry himself in regards to Christians and Neoplatonism? ..strange how Constantine banned that book, yet preserved the Enneads ...which is even more odd seeing the works of Arius containing accusations of Neoplatonism being mixed with Christianity against the Alexandrian Bishop, and elders ...which was also banned through Constantine. I think looking at this in such a way to mix Roman mythology, and philosophy with Greek mythology, and philosophy...and not separately understanding both Plato, and Neoplatonism from a Roman mindset vs' a Greek mindset really muddies the waters in relation to how Christianity fits in the picture ... strange how Tertullian lays out this conspiracy so well. Ever consider that removing the NEOPLATONIST academy built upon Plato's dead, and destroyed one was Rome covering up it's tracks in its intervention upon the prevailing religion throughout the Empire? You notice well that the Roman Orthodoxy PRESERVED much of practices associated with the Platonic sciences ...ever consider that it was done by design? The high priesthood of the Patrician families of those ancient seven hills was NEVER for the prolls ...not even for the lower nobility classes even.
It's amazing. I feel like I'm in the presence of a Greek philosopher, sitting at his feet and listening for life-changing lessons.
why? i feel they did not even really talk about any neoplatnoic ideas lol
Pierre is someone with whom I'd love to have a nice set of beverages and about ten hours to discuss life, the universe, and everything! Thanks for bringing us another interview with him, Jeffrey!
The conversations with Pierre are among my favorite discussions which I return to.
This has become among my favorite channels. Great work! Great interviewer doing a great interview! Also, Iv'e met Pierre and man what a deep guy he is! Not just deep but sincere and genuine. Im grateful to have found this channel =)
that was very rich , what a way to make philosophy simple and extremely even more intresting, thank you , very enlightening.
Love hearing the correct pronunciation of Gnostics. Great stuff as usual from Pierre.
I love and respect such knowledge from the professor and the interviewer! I watch this kind of videos in English and Spanish. Fascinating!! Gracias!!
From the theme tune to the "thank you for being with us", New Think Allowed always brightens my day!
Thanks Jeffrey and thanks to your many guests.
the tune is great
This one was something special. Great talk...thanks for bringing them to us!
I am impressed with the knowledge and clarity of mind expressed by Pierre Grimes, who it would seem is in his mid 90's. It would be interesting to hear him talk of his experiences with Alan Watts and Joseph Campbell, if you have the opportunity to interview him again.
Pierre Grimes has a UA-cam channel where he has lectures specifically on Alan Watts.
@@hast3033 thanks!
I've been checking to see if Pierre was still going from time to time for many years. I just found out he passed away in June 2024. I took several classes from him at GWC in the early 90s. He was both a great and not so great teacher. I learned more skills from his classes than anything else and I'm indebted. On the other hand, he discouraged note taking, there wasn't much of a structured course in some of his classes that made you feel what the hell has the whole semester been about?... and just left you unprepared for the final. He also got sidetracked pursuing his own esoteric philosophical interests despite the class being billed as a general survey. The best class was Western Religion where we were introduced to New Testament scholarship and analyzed the Gospel of Mark to learn it was a Greek tragedy. To have his philosophical passion and live to 99 must be an ideal life.
Very interesting talk! Also is anyone gonna mention the fact that Pierre looks exactly like a Philosopher from antiquity himself?
He looks like your idea of a Philosopher
I can imagine an old statue of him made of marble, from 2000 years ago.
First, gonna is not a word. Second, why don't you refer to him as Dr Grimes? And, third, what does his physical appearance have to do with the richness of what he is saying??
@@auggied6760 This is the internet, not a college essay.
gonna gonna gonna gonna gonna gonna gonna gonna
@@sammiller8640 the gonna mantra..
thank you very much for this! i enjoy listning to you converse. thank you for bringing Pierre to talk to.
This was a wonderful talk! Beautiful flow between the two.
Jeff Mishlove is a treasure. Like no one else I've seen over my many years, he is able to contribute to every conversation with every guest, on every level. He's not a nationally recognized figure, which tells you that the real gems are hidden in plain sight.
Love this guy. His erudition is first rate and his temperament so kind and agreeable. His love of learning is truly contagious. Neoplatonism has intrigued me for years, so this interview was a real pleasure. Jeff was the at the IANDS conference in September and he added so much.
And thank you for this delicious conversation.
great to see Dr Grimes again, always an amazing discussion.
Always a pleasure, Jeffrey.
Hope you and yours are all well.
Its great so see Pierre again! Thank you Jeffrey!
I´m quite surprised to hear Pierre's view on the Neoplatonists, I can see why he says they lost some of the essence of Plato, and fitted Plato's ideas for their purposes. I wonder what are his views on someone like Thomas Taylor, who believed in the sayings of the Neoplatonists when they affirmed that Plato's philosophy comes from Orphism. Pretty much Thomas Taylor states his firm belief of this in all the introductions to his translations. Then again, I don´t think Thomas Taylor focused so much on the pre-Socratic as he did on the Platonic philosophers.
As a Platonist, I am happy to know the search for the truth in Plato's writing is still going strong.
"Fantastic"! That word describes my feelings pretty closely after watching this video. Thank you both.
Pierre thank you .
My first philosophy professor in college. Amazing man
Neoplatonism is (maybe) the most important branch of the Western Philosophy. The Neoplatonic Henology is a rare glimpse in West of the (as the advaitins says) non-dual Truth
Its the most powerful philosophical school from the Greeks in my view.
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@@TheLastOutlaw-KTS I also find Neoplatonism the most intriguing and compelling, and it probably has been the most influential Greek philosophy over almost two millenia. You see it's inflence everywhere through the centuries, in both maInstream and mystical Christianity, Islam, philosophy, the Italian Renaissance - Pico, Ficino, the Cambridge Platonists in the early enlightenment era, the Romantic painters and poets in the 19th century, right on down, in current times, to a host of websites, books, and other media engaging esoteric topics.
@@leeds48 Yes, Love Love Love it❤️🔥
Thanks you for this. Fascinating
This one is for the ages🙌🏼
Small correction. Al Farabi was called the second teach after Aristotle. But yes, he was influenced by Sabieans of Haran in Syria. Which was the center for Neoplatonism for centuries before and after and probably still until today.
I used to think there wasnt anyone carrying on the tradition.. then i found Pierre and his lectures
Never knew Willie Nelson was into this stuff
Jeffrey, you should put these onto Spotify.
Lots of love.
I am grateful for this, because I have not really understood how the Neoplatonists related to Plato. I like Plotinus very much but am not such a big fan of Plato, and I have been trying to figure out where theurgy fits. Theurgy was not something new brought out by the Neoplatonists though maybe Iamblichus used that word but wasn't it part of Ancient Egyptian religion and also of the pre-Socratic Greeks like Parmenides? Maybe I should read the Balboa translations of Plato, though I am more drawn to Xenophenes and Parmenides and their vision of the Whole, of Oneness.
This dude looks like he studied with Plato in high school 👀
No he's not that old he studied under Aristotle!
Lmao
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Thank you for all your work and sharing!
This conversation started off a bit slow but picked up pace and was really enlightening!
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Brillant conversation. Challenging for the human intellect/language to know and define what is: the self (experiential self), a state of mind, logos/the one, the superconscious. Are they states of being and/or awareness? We think with a given, predetermined coherent substance/state we call brain/mind. I do like the notion that humans participate in an underlying universal wisdom. Thank you.
Jeffrey, I think you would enjoy interviewing Alejandro Jodorowsky !
Very Interesting!
So Iamblichus bringing ritual work in Platonic practice is not effective?
Dr Grimes differentiates between "the one" and "nothingness" in early philosophical teachings. And he mentions that this is what the Buddhists were into. However, today's Buddhists are fixated mostly on the objective reality, because they really do not look into the sense of self. They talk about "the one," but have nothing more than a confused intellectual understanding. It is this "nothingness" that is the core of what we are, but it means obviating the self to find it, and very few are interested in this because the self is being used to pretend that it can improve itself.
Well, Plotinus saw himself as Platonist seeking right interpretation to explain his mystical/religious experiences through Plato (and others) who he saw as true. He was against the Gnostics and Christians but all were welcome at his school, which was free and open to the public.
This discussion shows how the modern mind sees things-very different than in the period discussed. Neoplatonism is a 19th century construct of which Plotinus would not have understood or related. He also wouldn't have seen himself as "new thinking" as the idea is formulated now.
Also, the Enneads were written by Plotinus then organized and edited after his death by Poryphyry, a student and companion late in Plotinus' life. They weren't student notes. Plotinus wrote in more of a stream of conscious manner, didn't review or edit (or correct spelling!).
I sense a lot of ego in Grimes-not the humility authentically found in Plotinus.
@Raibeart MacPhadraig You're probably right.
@Chalk O'holic I'm not following, although my response to Plotinus is personal. From what Porphyry said (if you can believe him), Plotinus did not see the material world as a spiritual desert but where one expressed one's spiritual growth. He did not pursue material things but expressed himself fully in the material world. He was even appointed guardian of children of friends who were approaching death. That would indicate their trust in Plotinus' functioning in the material world.
And I totally disagree with your statement about theurgy. Proclus lived 200 years after and this philosophy probably was very different after the Roman Empire made Christianity the official religion. Proclus may have just wanted to compete! If so, however, he ultimately lost...
But then, it's all personal and what works for you might not work for me. That doesn't mean my approach is inferior, and if you think it does, that says something about you.
About depression, many of the great mystics had experiences of "the dark" - and after all, Plotinus was very sick (possibly with leprosy) and many of his followers abandoned him. Porphyry was away because he was encouraged to recollect himself due to his own depression. His response was only human. After all, many great thinkers and artists suffered from depression. It doesn't diminish their output. It just makes them human.
I just read online where Grimes promotes himself as having "developed, to perhaps the highest level in human history [are you kidding?], the use of the Socratic dialectic for understanding human problems and thereby attaining excellence." No ego? I prefer the Tao Te Ching's line, "those who know don't talk, and those who talk, don't know". There's just something about this guy that doesn't ring true to me. Porphyry had to make Plotinus write, and Plotinus' own mentor, Ammonius Saccas didn't write anything. We know nothing of this teachings. I wish I could find guidence from the likes of them these days. Both strike me as profound expressions of true humility.
I can’t say that this adds much to my understanding.
How is mentioned at 10:30?
Iamblichus of Chalcis.
@@ferguscullen8451 thank you
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Oh I forgot I wrote that what sort of around the same subject they didn't have the word deism maybe or some kind of maybe God minds his own business like a scientist in the world's like a petri dish and he doesn't like have to pay that much attention to it because of the way quantum mechanics will things and but a pluton is tried to show the one he lived in Zeus territory where it might be heretical to believe in Jesus but by doing so he made a form of he is in that doesn't operate sociologically the same as what the word deism would in the society matrix which that is a story that explains a lot I think if you were looking for one and I think it's kind of like the film The matrix where the 90s was the Pinnacle of all scientific and things to hinge off of it would be from then and that's why people could recycle a pecking order sort of if you were looking and more socio aspect but by showing the graph of one and God the Father it kind of shows and I've done it when I was a child where you sort of do a play where you're like well if you didn't do everything I approved of Jesus I'm sort of representing yourself is as a false weight zealot because you'd have to go back to BC times and while you're there and not finding a reference to say the obviousness of God's existence through at least intelligent design or something then you represent yourself as a so let no at all you know to make fun of you know to try to fight fire with fire with Jesus is just a typical rundown and by doing so you kind of like since it's sociological oppression you use that same sociological you know the upright start the one that I call the star of the fighters maybe but they might not know something they you know we'll fight for your cuz or whatever and then you know and then you get to live life and your own mind at least in those that are also like mystically connected or whatever that you're responsible for cuz you might live by like an unwritten book of you know truths that even if improvise have to fit in fit the bill which I think would go back to the 90s or whatever I think that's something at least I hope that's good food for thought
Many typos in this but basically a platinas didn't go to the court when he was 76 because of heresy for any other reason besides that he did what a person like I did basically when I was good what do I call it pulling a Plotinus then you do that play and live by as an act so that way you know you're not as prone or indefinitely prone to being a socialist because you actually get to live your life plus you have a goal you have to share whatever you get out of life that they don't with them so that way you can live it also and it all seems to fit well I was listening to music I was telling my friend over here about and the entire albums were made even when I was five or even before then or less than 10 even to all lead up to the music being what was happening at the same time you know so people could see the future and I've heard stories and such and yada yada
And yes the antecedent consequent chart that you could use with what I was referring to as a false weight zealot like you know a picture you know imagine a picture and then there's a different picture there you're talking about truce and what's the truth and everything is like a truth and a lie at the same time
Rest in peace, Pierre.
Plotinus seems to have died from a strange skin disease some think the rare cancer we now call mycosis fungoides a type of lymphoma.a great light went out in the world when he died.
Hey, could you please provide me with the source where they say that Plotinus died of mycosis fungoides? I've been googling about this, and I couldn't find anything related to his death.
@@TheDeathopper I can't remember where but it was said that he died of a strange skin disease and leprosy wouldn't have been strange at the time so it was spectaculated that it might have been one of the Cutaneous T Cell Lymphomas,all very rare but Mycosis Fungoides is the most common of them so more likely a person would have that than an even rarer type.
@@kevanhubbard9673 I'm asking because your comment was a strange moment of synchronicity for me. I'm a medical student who was actually studying that very disease on the day I posted my comment. I was watching this video late at night before going to bed and was struck by how the very rare disease I was learning about that day ended up being the cause of death of the philosopher I was interested in learning more about that night!
@@TheDeathopper I think that many cases are indolent and it looks like eczema or psoriasis but about 30 percent, depending on the source, of people develop the advanced Mycosis Fungoides which causes mortality via skin infection and/or heavy organ infiltration.Strangley my sister had a friend who died two years ago from stage 4a MF (I don't know the mechanism which lead to death) and years ago my mother's friend died from a closely related lymphoma called PCTL NOS which had been misdiagnosed as ezecma and psoriasis although I don't think it would have made much difference to the outcome had it been correctly diagnosed.
I think the catholic/orthodox mass being a form of theurgy is very true! I don't think this theurgic ritualistic mode of understanding and practicing the Lords supper is Biblical in any way. Yet it certainly is a result of the influence of late paganism on early Catholicism. Or at least a sort of parallel development in both religions.
When you are discussing "the self" in Greek philosophy, I assume that you are referring to the word αὐτός. But αὐτός can be used as a reflexive pronoun ("I myself did it"), a marker for an abstract idea ("by or in itself"), a third person personal pronoun (as a replacement for "he" or "she") in addition to the use as a noun like "the self". If you are using translations, this distinction will get even more difficult. How do you make sure that you are not projecting your own ideas into these ancient texts when you are scanning for appearances of "the self" ?
If you want to study Plato seriously , you must start learning ancient greek.
You cant make sure of this, it is so of any philosophy. The ideal should be to access the idea behind the word.
14:19 thought he said "Uterus"
So sad how Christianity wiped out the Socratic wisdom of those great thinkers. Such a huge step backwards for European thought.
Amen.
And turned us Away from Truth for 1500 years.
That is the wrong way to think about it.
Plato was far ahead of his time. There was just no way his way of thinking could work during times where might is right ruled.
To ferment the fruit of ancient Greek philosophy into fine whine, it required Christianity as it's barrel. For Christianity was the immerse force required to subjugate the monstrous force of the will to power. Christianity is the right hand of modern man, while ancient greek philosophy is the left. Both where required to create the modern man.
You have Julius Ceasar to (primarily) blame for that.
The beautiful thing is all of the great ideas that were lost in the West, similar concepts and ideas developed in Eastern Philosophy and were preserved in the great books of the East.
@@post-industrialpeasant3190 they’re universal truths
Rest in peace Pierre.
Aristotle didn't know Schrödiger's Cat.
Oooo The Whole!
Rest in Peace
Hasn't it been said that Homer was a combination of several people?
In the relationship between ghosts and gods, inner goodness is called God. Inner terror, fear, greed and desire to hurt others do not necessarily help themselves, forming heart demons. Heart demons are called ghosts. Therefore, human beings choose to be gods and ghosts. Good people are not afraid of ghosts, and ghosts are afraid of good people. Therefore, there is no ghost. There is no ghost on the earth, and there is no chemical basis. If there is a ghost, it is a chemical effect
SUPERGOOD
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很 有意思🤔
PIERRER
Theurgy is now seem as other word for magic rituals but because it was seen through the eyes of later christian world but by their own view as the etimology tells us its a divine work, a communion by modern values religious ritual as any other but a self centered one...IMO
Ruminating about Rumi the poet is also philosophy.
Before and after
"Guh-nostics"
right?
1000 years
Jordan Peterson sent me here
A lot of vague information in regards to Neoplatonism ..it seems this was titled wrongly, and should have been titled Plato vs' Neoplatonism. How could you mention Neoplatonism without once mentioning Porphyry of Tyre and his Enneads of Plotinus describing Neoplatonism? ...and then how could you compare the recording of Plotinus' teachings to the personal opinions of Porphyry himself in regards to Christians and Neoplatonism? ..strange how Constantine banned that book, yet preserved the Enneads ...which is even more odd seeing the works of Arius containing accusations of Neoplatonism being mixed with Christianity against the Alexandrian Bishop, and elders ...which was also banned through Constantine.
I think looking at this in such a way to mix Roman mythology, and philosophy with Greek mythology, and philosophy...and not separately understanding both Plato, and Neoplatonism from a Roman mindset vs' a Greek mindset really muddies the waters in relation to how Christianity fits in the picture ... strange how Tertullian lays out this conspiracy so well.
Ever consider that removing the NEOPLATONIST academy built upon Plato's dead, and destroyed one was Rome covering up it's tracks in its intervention upon the prevailing religion throughout the Empire? You notice well that the Roman Orthodoxy PRESERVED much of practices associated with the Platonic sciences ...ever consider that it was done by design? The high priesthood of the Patrician families of those ancient seven hills was NEVER for the prolls ...not even for the lower nobility classes even.
IF I AM WRONG, I CREATED MESELF; MYSELF. IF I AM RITE, ETC CETRA. ...
The old lie about the Library of Alexandria. Look it up. No one really knows what happened.
has anyone else ever been to the school of athens? lmk xx
Plotinus reborn....
Alexander the great was a Albanian ,and everybody should know that.🙌
Thank you for posting this grotesque yet laughable evidence supporting the myth of human origins of objective judgments. Been in that self-dug hole.
He looks like cgi
Guh nostics
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